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The Kenny Report | 31 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Ed.
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  Speaker 1: How about Ed Boyd, hey?
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  Speaker 3: Hosting the program tonight, fresh from his first marathon yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: 3.21 in his first marathon.
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  Speaker 1: Just a brilliant effort. Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight, Anthony Albanese and Labor on the attack against One Nation,
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  Speaker 3: and you won't believe it, Albo is pontificating about honesty. Next,
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  Speaker 3: Labor will be lecturing us on, I don't know, thrift.
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  Speaker 3: Michaelia Cash joins me. Pauline Hanson has hit back, saying
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  Speaker 3: Labor's demonisation of One Nation could encourage political violence. I'll
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  Speaker 3: check in on Victoria, where One Nation's momentum will be
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  Speaker 3: tested in November's election.
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  Speaker 1: But there's still about 70 candidates short.
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  Speaker 4: We could pull the trigger tomorrow and have every candidate
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  Speaker 4: out and about.
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  Speaker 3: And with more than 40 Aussies missing, the daunting task
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  Speaker 3: of rescue, recovery and repair continues in Nepal. I'll cross
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  Speaker 3: there live.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Sophie Ellsworth.
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  Speaker 3: In London and Gemma Tognini and Caroline DiRusso right here
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  Speaker 3: in Oz on that amazing shark attack survival, the white
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  Speaker 3: pointer punch-up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: One nation doesn't only have the coalition rattled, they're now
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  Speaker 3: unsettling Labor. And in response, Labor is taking the low
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  Speaker 3: road of abuse and denigration.
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  Speaker 1: And they're treating voters like fools.
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  Speaker 3: Who could believe the Prime Minister would have the gall
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  Speaker 3: to say this?
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  Speaker 5: Across the world, hard-right populists are on the march, peddling
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  Speaker 5: politics that is dangerous, divisive and downright dishonest.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'll come back to that word dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is a Prime Minister who ignored warnings
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  Speaker 3: about anti-Semitism and Islamist extremism for more than two years
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  Speaker 3: before the nation's worst-ever terror attack at Bondi, yet he
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  Speaker 3: dares to call other politicians dangerous.
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  Speaker 6: Incredible.
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  Speaker 3: But also he says One Nation and others are downright dishonest.
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  Speaker 3: That's how stupid Anthony Albanese thinks voters are. The man
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  Speaker 3: who said he wouldn't touch negative gearing and capital gains
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  Speaker 3: tax says One Nation is dishonest.
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  Speaker 1: The man who.
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  Speaker 3: Pledged to reduce your power bills by $ 275 a year
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  Speaker 3: says One Nation is dishonest. The man who said he
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  Speaker 3: did not fall off a stage, the man who claims
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  Speaker 3: he never made a crude melons joke, well, he says
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  Speaker 3: One Nation is dishonest.
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  Speaker 1: The man who said this.
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  Speaker 2: I've always been a man of my word and I
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  Speaker 2: believe that When you go to an election and you
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  Speaker 2: make commitments, you should stick to them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that man dares to dismiss his political rivals as dishonest.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just listen to him.
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  Speaker 5: They'll say anything and do anything to win votes, bend
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  Speaker 5: any facts, peddle misinformation and disinformation.
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  Speaker 3: Say and do anything to win votes? That'd be a
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  Speaker 3: proposition that Albanese at least understands. But it does get
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  Speaker 3: worse than that, as I foreshadowed. After One Nation rocked
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  Speaker 3: the ALP on the weekend by winning the previously safe
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  Speaker 3: Labor seat of Secret Harbour in that Western Australian state by-election,
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  Speaker 3: the federal government has switched to attack mode.
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  Speaker 7: Here I mean the threat to our country and its cohesion,
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  Speaker 7: its people and our economy posed by a dangerous and
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  Speaker 7: divisive coalition of chaos.
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  Speaker 1: One Nation.
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  Speaker 5: whose leader seeks to divide Australians and talks Australia down,
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  Speaker 5: whether she is here or overseas, peddling politics that is dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: Dangerous, divisive, a threat. This is the language that Labor invokes.
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson has hit back at this, claiming the demonisation
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  Speaker 3: of One Nation could lead to political violence.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he is.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 9: He's never called anyone else out as being dangerous, you know, and,
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  Speaker 9: you know, a lot of people are in fear of
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  Speaker 9: what they don't understand and they're being misled about the
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  Speaker 9: truth about One Nation. It's happening constantly all the time
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  Speaker 9: in the schools and universities and the incitement that is
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  Speaker 9: happening is through our educational system and our Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 9: who should know better than that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is a serious issue.
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  Speaker 3: Soon after that exchange, Hanson posted this photo of graffiti
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  Speaker 3: in Bendigo.
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  Speaker 1: Kill Pauline Hanson, it says.
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  Speaker 3: And in my News 24 documentary, The Fight for the Right,
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  Speaker 3: last week, I showed you the rowdy protests targeting One
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  Speaker 3: Nation and Hanson and the staggering level of police protection
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  Speaker 3: required for a simple One Nation media conference. And Hanson
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  Speaker 3: spoke about security. Do you fear for your personal safety?
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  Speaker 1: No. Why not?
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  Speaker 9: I don't fear for it. I've... I'm concerned and certain parts,
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  Speaker 9: areas that I won't go in certain parts of Australia
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  Speaker 9: by all means, but that's not unlike many other Australians actually.
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  Speaker 1: The places in this country you won't go? Yeah. Where?
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  Speaker 9: Streets of Melbourne here. You see every time I come
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  Speaker 9: down here, the protest and you're seeing it on the
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  Speaker 9: streets here. The viciousness, the nastiness, we've seen that, you know,
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  Speaker 9: and they've called them last time I was here, death,
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  Speaker 9: you know.
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  Speaker 3: These are polarising times in politics. Albanese and Labor love
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  Speaker 3: to talk about lowering the temperature in politics, but they
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  Speaker 3: never do it. They love to dial up the animosity
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  Speaker 3: against their opponents. What they mean, I suppose, when they
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  Speaker 3: say lower the temperature is go easy on them.
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  Speaker 5: Parties like One Nation have no serious answers.
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  Speaker 1: To problems.
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  Speaker 5: It is obvious that One Nation are not on the
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  Speaker 5: side of working people.
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  Speaker 3: The audacity of this bloke. He's made working families poorer.
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  Speaker 3: Rents higher, homes harder to buy, electricity prices higher, taxes higher,
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  Speaker 3: debt higher, inflation higher, the cost of living higher. And
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  Speaker 3: he says it's One Nation that's not on the side
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  Speaker 3: of working people. Honestly, if I can use that word
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  Speaker 3: around the Prime Minister, honestly. He couldn't do more to
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  Speaker 3: boost One Nation if he tried. I want to show
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  Speaker 3: you another exhibit. Let's make this one Exhibit 64A in
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  Speaker 3: the case against Labor for treating voters like fools.
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  Speaker 1: This is a social media post.
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  Speaker 3: From a minister best known for rorting travel entitlements to
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  Speaker 3: take her and her family to sporting events.
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  Speaker 10: What do these guys and the Australian housing market have
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  Speaker 10: in common? Both the ushi market and the Australian housing
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  Speaker 10: market are dictated by supply and demand. The problem right
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  Speaker 10: now is that supply of ushis and supply of housing
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  Speaker 10: is not keeping pace with demand.
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  Speaker 11: How do we fix it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, remember, she's talking to you. She actually thinks that
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  Speaker 1: people who are paying rent or paying a mortgage.
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  Speaker 3: need to think about their own lives and their own
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  Speaker 3: costs and their own investments in terms of some kids' toys.
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  Speaker 1: So you've seen the start of that clip.
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  Speaker 3: You'd think she'd surely tire of the joke and start
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  Speaker 3: talking to people like adults later in the clip.
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  Speaker 1: Let's check in and have a look.
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  Speaker 10: For the last 15 years, housing demand outpaced housing supply,
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  Speaker 10: or in other words, there's been a shortage of wooshies.
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  Speaker 10: Compounding that problem, Australia's tax system has benefited collectors buying
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  Speaker 10: new and second-hand wooshies over first-time wooshie buyers. To fix
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  Speaker 10: that problem and increase supply, at the last budget, Labor
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  Speaker 10: told housing investors, or wooshie collectors... you can keep using
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  Speaker 10: the tax system to buy Ooshies, but only new ones.
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  Speaker 10: In turn, that means more new Ooshies to rent and
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  Speaker 10: more existing Ooshies for first-time buyers. Plus, we're giving first-home
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  Speaker 10: buyers a leg up with a 5% deposit scheme. Instead
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  Speaker 10: of saving $ 30 to get one Ooshie, first-time buyers will
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  Speaker 10: only need to save $ 1.
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  Speaker 12: 50.
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  Speaker 8: No hope.
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  Speaker 3: Just childish tosh the whole way through that clip.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we paid her in Ooshies.
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  Speaker 3: And they expect you to believe their spin and vote
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  Speaker 3: for them. And while they churn out this rubbish at
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  Speaker 3: your expense, they don't expect you to notice that rents
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  Speaker 3: are actually going up, not down, and that housing companies
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  Speaker 3: are collapsing and that it's.
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  Speaker 1: Harder now than ever to get into the housing market.
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  Speaker 3: And they say it's the parties on the right of
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  Speaker 3: centre that threaten the future of this country.
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  Speaker 1: I despair.
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  Speaker 3: A cabinet of ushis would do less damage to this country.
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  Speaker 3: As I often say, the green left, including, of course,
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  Speaker 3: the teal left, well, if they didn't have double standards,
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  Speaker 3: they'd have no standards at all. And I'll share another
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  Speaker 3: example with you. I mean, you'll remember we've pointed out
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  Speaker 3: before how Zali Stegall got caught out taking $ 100, 000 from
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  Speaker 3: a family trust connected to coal interests. a disclosure that
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  Speaker 3: only occurred when the Electoral Commission said a collection of
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  Speaker 3: eight smaller donations that didn't need to be declared were
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  Speaker 3: actually paid for with the one cheque, which means they
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  Speaker 3: needed to be disclosed. This was pretty embarrassing, given how
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  Speaker 3: much the Teals bang on about accountability and integrity in politics.
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  Speaker 3: Then there was fellow Teal Monique Ryan, famous for this
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  Speaker 3: Nurse Ratched impersonation.
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  Speaker 1: Put your masks on.
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  Speaker 11: Put your masks on. Put your masks on.
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  Speaker 3: And then just weeks later, Ryan was exposed in a
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  Speaker 3: video leaked from a fundraising event where she was breaking
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  Speaker 3: her own mask wearing rules.
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  Speaker 1: The dance of the missing masks. Well, the mask has.
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  Speaker 3: Slipped again for Zali Stegall with this report from News
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  Speaker 3: 24 Digital that checks her performance against the climate change
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  Speaker 3: rules that she promoted for what she calls the roadmap
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  Speaker 3: to net zero. For instance, she recommends that people go paperless.
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  Speaker 3: But in her own office, she spent nearly $ 200, 000 of
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  Speaker 3: your money on printing and publicity. Stegall says some people,
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  Speaker 3: especially the elderly... They like to read printed material. How
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  Speaker 3: very convenient and patronising of her. Stegall also says in
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  Speaker 3: her roadmap that people should not use disposable plates, cutlery
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  Speaker 3: and straws. But pictures reveal that her own office uses,
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  Speaker 3: you guessed.
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  Speaker 1: It, paper plates.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who could be bothered washing up dirty dishes, hey?
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  Speaker 3: And best of all, Stegall recommends against the fashionistas. You know,
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  Speaker 3: don't buy new clothes just for the hell of it.
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  Speaker 3: Make sure you really need them. But Stegall's declaration of
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  Speaker 3: interest shows that she's received gifts and discounts from fashion
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  Speaker 3: labels Zara and Saba. Ah, you have to love it,
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  Speaker 3: don't you? But then what would you expect? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Stegall's political career... is based first and foremost on climate
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  Speaker 3: action and reducing emissions, yet she first came to fame
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  Speaker 3: as an Olympic snow skier, a pastime that has perhaps
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  Speaker 3: the biggest carbon footprint this side of V8 racing. I
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  Speaker 3: noticed on the Parliamentary Register that Steggles also accepted a
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  Speaker 3: free lift pass from a ski resort. You just couldn't
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  Speaker 3: make this stuff up, could you? Climate action and integrity.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the Teals campaign on. They're as bad as
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  Speaker 3: Albo and Honesty. Let's go to Perth now and catch
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  Speaker 3: up with the Shadow Attorney-General, Michaelia Cash. Good to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you, Michaelia. Give us your thoughts first up on
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  Speaker 3: that Secret Harbour result on the weekend.
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  Speaker 13: Well, in the first instance, Chris, everything you said at
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  Speaker 13: the beginning of your show shows that Albanese is nothing
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  Speaker 13: more and nothing less than a dirty, grubby liar who
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  Speaker 13: basically gave every Australian who does not vote Labor the
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  Speaker 13: middle finger in that speech on Sunday. In relation to
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  Speaker 13: Secret Harbour, Labor Heartland walked away from Labor. Mr Albanese,
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  Speaker 13: I was there on the ground. Those voters knew that
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  Speaker 13: they could send the Labor government a very clear message
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  Speaker 13: and they did. Secret Harbour basically showed Australians that Labor
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  Speaker 13: heartland is now giving itself permission to vote against Labor
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  Speaker 13: because he is a dirty, grubby liar.
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  Speaker 8: Our job now as Liberals.
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  Speaker 13: is to show those people that there is an alternative
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  Speaker 13: to One Nation, that we have listened, we have learnt,
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  Speaker 13: but more than that, we have a strong team and
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  Speaker 13: strong policies that we can implement that will.
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  Speaker 8: Improve their way of life.
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  Speaker 13: But I have to say that the feedback on the.
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  Speaker 8: Ground was extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Sorry. I just see.
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  Speaker 3: I did kick off the program with it, and you've
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  Speaker 3: jumped right into it, Albo.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: But the idea that people are suffering from misinformation and
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  Speaker 3: dishonesty in politics from a bloke who's denied just about
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  Speaker 3: everything that we've seen with our own eyes and has
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  Speaker 3: broken every significant election promise he took is actually staggering.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 13: It is, and that is why, quite literally, Labor voters,
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  Speaker 13: this was a Labor seat in 2021, Chris, 75% of
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  Speaker 13: the primary vote went to Labor.
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  Speaker 8: On Saturday, 24.3%.
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  Speaker 13: Even Labor Party members have worked out Albanese is a dirty,
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  Speaker 13: grubby liar who gave them all the middle finger. He
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  Speaker 13: basically told Australians who don't vote Labor, they are the problem.
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  Speaker 8: And what an insult. What an insult to say.
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  Speaker 13: That after four years and four months of Labor, and
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  Speaker 13: I quote, the country is in good shape. But then
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  Speaker 13: it got worse when he said that he and Labor
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  Speaker 13: want to bring the temperature down.
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  Speaker 8: Does this guy remember that?
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  Speaker 13: He tried to divide us, Chris, on the basis of
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  Speaker 13: race with his divisive voice.
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  Speaker 8: Does this guy remember that in December of last year.
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  Speaker 13: 15 Australians were slaughtered on Bondi Beach because he failed
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  Speaker 13: to tackle anti-Semitism. Does this guy remember that he has
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  Speaker 13: personally given the green light to radical Islamists to come
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  Speaker 13: into this country?
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  Speaker 8: Dirty, grubby liar.
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  Speaker 13: He has now been seen out, though, for the person
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  Speaker 13: that he is.
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  Speaker 8: But our job now as Liberals.
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  Speaker 13: We've got to show the Australian people there is an alternative.
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  Speaker 13: We are that alternative. We have a plan. You know
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  Speaker 13: it's here. Fix the economy. Protect our way of life.
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  Speaker 13: And between now and the next election, Chris, our job
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  Speaker 13: is to sell the strong team and the strong policies
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  Speaker 13: to give people that true alternative.
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  Speaker 3: You're going in pretty hard, Michaelia. You're really ramping it
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  Speaker 3: up there.
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  Speaker 13: He's broken this country. This man has broken this country.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like you realise you need to go hard,
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  Speaker 3: otherwise One Nation leaves you in their wake.
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  Speaker 8: What I know is.
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  Speaker 13: that we have a strong team and a strong plan.
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  Speaker 13: And we do have the plan. We have released it.
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  Speaker 13: When you talk to people on the ground and they say,
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  Speaker 13: we don't know what your policies are, and I say,
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  Speaker 13: guess what? We've got a plan. What do you want
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  Speaker 13: to know?
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  Speaker 8: Are you going to act net zero? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 13: We're blowing the net zero show up. Are you going
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  Speaker 13: to bring down the migration numbers? Absolutely we are. Are
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  Speaker 13: you going to scrap Labor's toxic taxes?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 13: Here is our plan. and people look like they're almost relieved.
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  Speaker 13: They don't want to vote Labor. They are currently looking
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  Speaker 13: for an alternative. One Nation at this point in time, yes,
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  Speaker 13: it is the alternative. You saw that on Saturday in
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  Speaker 13: my home state. But, by God, we have the team,
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  Speaker 13: we have the leader, we have the plan. We now
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  Speaker 13: need to show Australians we've listened, we learnt, and, yes,
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  Speaker 13: we are fit to again govern.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't heard a lot from the Liberal leadership in
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  Speaker 3: the last week.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Angus Taylor been?
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  Speaker 3: We know he's been out on the polypedal. Where's Tim
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  Speaker 3: Wilson been on the economy with a poor inflation result
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  Speaker 3: and the rest of it? I haven't seen Tim Wilson
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  Speaker 3: out and about. I mean, unless you take the argument
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  Speaker 3: up to Labor.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to get left behind.
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  Speaker 3: We're hearing a lot more from Pauline Hanson and One
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  Speaker 3: Nation than we are from the Coalition.
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  Speaker 13: I'm going to dispute you there because Angus, as you know,
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  Speaker 13: is out there every day. Polly Petal is such an
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  Speaker 13: important part of what he and Tony do each year,
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  Speaker 13: and in particular given the disgrace that the member for Burt,
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  Speaker 13: Matt Keogh, is when it comes to veterans. This was
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  Speaker 13: Tony and Angus yet again showing that we stand with
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  Speaker 13: our veterans, we back our veterans and we will help
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  Speaker 13: raise money for those charities. But it also gave Angus
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  Speaker 13: that opportunity to literally be in One Nation Heartland and
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  Speaker 13: to talk about to those people about our plan to
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  Speaker 13: fix the economy and to protect our way of life.
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  Speaker 13: And as I said, once you start talking to people, Chris,
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  Speaker 13: are they angry with Labor?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Are they disappointed in us?
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  Speaker 11: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Are they looking for an alternative?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 13: And then when you say to them, guess what, we
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  Speaker 13: have a plan, and you take them through that plan,
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  Speaker 13: you can see they are almost relieved. But our job
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  Speaker 13: now for the next 18 months is to get around
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  Speaker 13: this country. and to actually ensure that they know what
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  Speaker 13: our policies are. As I said, they're here in black
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  Speaker 13: and white. You can't resile from that in black and
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  Speaker 13: white or blue and gold. And that we are yet
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  Speaker 13: again fit to earn their trust and govern this country
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  Speaker 13: and make it a hell of a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're spot on and you need to get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: And in the West, you must be worried, given where
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  Speaker 3: Secret Harbour sits within the electorate of Canning. that Andrew Hastie,
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  Speaker 3: a potential leader of the Liberal Party, could be roadkill
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  Speaker 3: in all of this because we know One Nation are
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  Speaker 3: gunning for him.
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  Speaker 13: Andrew Hastie, actually against most of the odds in Australia,
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  Speaker 13: increased his margin at the last election. He is a
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  Speaker 13: well-loved local member and he represents his constituents well in Canberra.
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  Speaker 13: Andrew Hastie is also... standing against the vile, grubby liar
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: Anthony Albanese. So I can tell you I'm confident that
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: Andrew can continue to actually have the backing of the
• 19:21
  Speaker 13: people there. Have we all got a job to do?
• 19:24
  Speaker 13: You're damn right we do, Chris. But in Angus Taylor,
• 19:28
  Speaker 13: we have a leader that believes in this country. As
• 19:31
  Speaker 13: he says every day, Australia is worth living.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: Fighting for.
• 19:36
  Speaker 13: And by God, we have the team, we have the
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: policies and we will do just that because the dirty,
• 19:43
  Speaker 13: grubby liar Albo, he has, he's destroyed this country and
• 19:47
  Speaker 13: I will not stand by anymore and just watch that
• 19:51
  Speaker 13: man do that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Michaelia Cash, thanks so much for joining us.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Liberal Senator for West Australia and Shadow Attorney-General Michaelia Cash there, very,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: very fired up, and I'm afraid that's exactly what the Coalition.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Need to be. They need to attack Labor, otherwise.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: People are just going to keep drifting to One Nation
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: because they have been calling out Labor's excesses. Let's go
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to One Nation now and to Victoria, where they face
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: their next big test in the November state election. Their
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Victorian leader is Warren Pickering, and I asked him about
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the new first for One Nation, that is taking a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: seat off Labor in Western Australia.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what an incredible result. It's rippled a wave of
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: inspiration through our candidates here in Victoria because we know
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: there's a very high probability we'll be achieving the same
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: thing here in Victoria.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the critical point, right?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Because if there's just a fight on the right of
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: politics between the coalition and One Nation, then Labor benefits.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: But if you can take seats off Labor, it changes
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: the game dramatically. What are the key seats in the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Victorian lower house where you believe you can take seats
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: off Labor?
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you completely, and I'm not going
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to paint a moving target on any of our candidates'
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: backs in those seats, but we do have significant data
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: from where our membership... has increased over the last sort
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: of 12 to 18 months here in Victoria to know
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: where we can have a real red-hot go, specifically around
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of those metropolitan areas.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Well, your seat of Pakenham is a Labor-held seat, is
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: it not? So you're trying to get into the lower house,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: taking out a Labor member?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, correct.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Look, Pakenham's an important one for us for quite a
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: few reasons, which I won't go into right now, but
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: we believe Pakenham is very targetable.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: All right, there's a few others I've had a look at. Obviously,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not Victorian, but I follow the footy. And running
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: John Barnes in Essendon, a former Essendon ruckman and star,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that seems like a pretty smart move in a Labor seat.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: So we've had a lot of interest from people with
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: high profile, like Councillor Barnes. I call him Councillor Barnes
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: just to remind people that he is also a councillor
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and has been for two terms now. Look, and, you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: someone like John Barnes turns... what was effectively a tier
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: two seat into a potentially a tier one contestable seat
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: for us. So yeah, look, he's a fantastic guy and
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: he's very value aligned.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: The other place I want to hear about is Bendigo, because,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: of course, you've got the former Premier Jacinta Allen not
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: contesting her seat of Bendigo East. And also we've heard
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: from the Speaker, Marie Edwards, that she's not going to
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: recontest in Bendigo West. So obviously a regional city, two
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: sitting Labor members retiring.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Surely One Nation will give itself a chance there.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, Bendigo is an interesting one as well. Among others,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: places like Melton and out here near Morwell as well
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: are very interesting seats. I don't anticipate we're going to
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: have a lot of problems in those contesting in those
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: areas because I don't think Labor really wants to win
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: those areas anymore. I feel like they've largely given up
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: and they're reallocating resources to more inner metropolitan seats in
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: the defence of inner metropolitan seats. But we will absolutely
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: be running candidates in all of those seats and having
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: a red hot go.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: It's fascinating to see you there with that wonderful backdrop
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of the Yallourn power station. We're used to politicians only
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: standing in front of coal-fired power stations when they're about
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: to blow them up and knock them down. You're going
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to extend the use of coal if you were to
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: form government in.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Victoria, and also gas.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Victoria's got abundant gas that at the moment it's not exploiting.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: So with respect to coal, we know we only need
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to provide the future industry..... future security that this industry requires...
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: to encourage investment, to upgrade the amenities and the facilities,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: to ensure that we can meet Victoria's commercial and domestic
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: housing power needs from now and long into the future.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: That's all that's required there. But with respect to gas, absolutely,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: it's an absolute nonsense. Victoria does not have a mineral
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: resources problem. It has a policy problem. And when the
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: price of gas in Tokyo is cheaper than that of Terelgan,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: you're failing your people.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Energy is core to the economy, obviously.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: You're talking about coal, gas and getting rid of the
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: nuclear ban as well. Hopefully that's a policy that would
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: be adopted by both One Nation and the Coalition nationally.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: But what about the budget? What about the budget fundamentals
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: in Victoria? If you were Premier of Victoria, how would
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you reduce government spending, which is off the charts?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Look, we're not going to make any irresponsible promises, but
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: what we are saying is that we believe, looking at
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: all the cost projections and blowouts of every single project
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: that's been engaged in in Victoria over the last decade,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: that the books are sufficiently cooked to warrant a full investigation. Now,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't buy a business without first allowing your accountant
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: to have a look at the books. And as I said, mate,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: we surmise that the books are sufficiently cooked in this
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: state to warrant a full investigation. Now, we know where
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: some immediate cuts can be made. First of those being
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: net zero subsidies to the various projects in this state
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: that are sending us broke. There's an estimated $ 200 million
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: a year saving right there. First Nations Assembly, there's an
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: estimated $ 70 million per annum saving right there. And again,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: that's a projection. I'd argue that it is likely to
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: be significantly more than that figure when the cows come home.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: So look, there is opportunities to save money. There is
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: opportunities to redirect that funding to providing better outcomes for Victorians,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: and that's what we intend to do.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: You won't be able to get the budget under control, though,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: unless you cut out or reduce, sorry, the recurrent spending
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: on public servants. What would you do to public service
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: numbers in Victoria? Would you implement an immediate freeze?
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Look, the exponential increase, specifically in those middle management executive
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: roles within the public service sector, is out of control.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: We know what needs to occur there. We know that there's...
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Every role must stack up for the economic output that
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: it generates to Victoria. And I just don't believe any
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: of them do. I think there's been an increase by
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: about 20%. The public service sector has grown, or a
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: figure thereabouts. Now, our services aren't 20% better. You can
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: argue that they're 20% or 30% worse in the last decade. So, absolutely, look,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: we know that many of those roles are absolutely necessary.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Warren, so how many permanent public sector jobs do
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you think you can get rid of?
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to put figures on how many roles.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to put a figure on exactly how many,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: but look, every position needs to justify its expense, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: we will look at that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Would you determine that public servants need to turn up
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: at the office five days a week?
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I think there'd be special circumstances where people may not
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: need to, but we know with respect to employers' rights
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: as well as employees' rights, what we're seeing, and this
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: is taken out of context significantly with One Nation of Late,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: small to medium businesses... cannot continue to afford to have
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: people work from home where they're required to be within
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the workplace.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It is expensive.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: It's never been more expensive to own or operate a
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: small to medium business in this state. And that's 60%
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: of Australians, Victorians are employed by small to medium business.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: So we need to consider that. Now, as far as
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the public service sector role goes, look, there might be opportunities,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: special circumstances where people can work from home. But look,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: we'd be pushing for people to go and work in
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the workplace. It gives people purpose and it creates a
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: sense of camaraderie within the workplace.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Just getting back to your candidates, you must be about
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: 70 short, right, in the lower house. There must be
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: 70 seats. You'd know the exact number where you have
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: not nominated a candidate yet. You're only three months away
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: from an election. Don't you need to get those names
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: out there?
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Chris, we're absolutely fine. We've got tentatively endorsed, those that
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: are endorsed. We launched another four on the weekend out
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: at the Farmers Fight Back event. We'll be launching another
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: two tonight up in sale. It's all in the pipeworks, mate.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: We've got about, I think, 77 tentatively endorsed. So, look,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: we could pull the trigger tomorrow if we like, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: some of these people, you know, they're still practising paramedics
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: and police officers. So they're only going to campaign for
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: that eight-week period that they can afford to put their
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: leave applications in for. Now, we could pull the trigger
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: tomorrow and have every candidate out and about. This was
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: the purpose in endorsing our upper house candidates first so
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: that every region can see that we've got someone prepared
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: to represent them and their communities on behalf of the
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: One Nation Party. They're welcome to engage with those candidates. Now,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Victoria is going to be a tricky one for us.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: We know it is. The sooner we put out candidates,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: the sooner the attack vectors come from all angles. And
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: that's not just a healthy level of scrutiny I'm talking about.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Not if they're good candidates.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking some significant character assassination.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: They're only going to get attacked if they're no good.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: That's beside... That's not necessarily true, mate. We've seen a
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: lot of fabrications come out just in the last few
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: weeks about our candidates.
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: Really?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to have to leave it there. We
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: are out of time, but we'll keep in touch, Warren.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. We'll keep in touch as those candidates
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: are rolled out. Thanks for joining us.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Chris. Appreciate the time.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: It's a new one, isn't it?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Don't name the candidates yet because there'll be too much
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: scrutiny of them. We'll have to keep a close eye
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: on who One Nation comes up with in Victoria because
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: they are on a surge now right around the country.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: After the break, we're going to head overseas with more
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: than 40 Aussies missing in Nepal.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: We'll go live to.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Nepal to talk about the daunting recovery efforts there. The
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: death toll from the Nepal flash flood disaster is now
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: more than 900, according to local authorities. Meanwhile, search and
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: rescue efforts are being hindered by a loss of power and,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: of course, impassable roads. There are 43 Australians missing in
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the area. Also, a landslide detected this weekend created a
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: new barrier lake on a river close to the disaster zone,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: according to the state media there.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from CNN.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Rescuers struggling to reach the more than 900 workers believed
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: to be trapped in tunnels beneath various hydro projects in Nepal.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: One of the people pulled out describes the dangers he faced.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I was hanging on a rung from the ceiling.
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: The water was rising in the tunnel and it was
• 30:36
  Speaker 16: difficult to move my legs.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Thousands of others also remain missing across both Nepal and China.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: And this weekend, the U.S. announced it will provide more
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: than $ 3. 5 million in humanitarian aid. Meanwhile, survivors are helping
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: each other cope with the destructive aftermath of the disaster.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Let's go live to Kathmandu and catch up with World
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Vision spokesperson, Dhruva Gumachand.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dhruva, in these... Terrible circumstances.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Obviously, 900 confirmed dead, but we've all seen the disastrous
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: events that unfolded here, the amount of kinetic energy, the
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: amount of material washed down that river valley. Authorities must
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: know that there'll be many, many people they never recover.
• 31:26
  Speaker 17: Yes, the situation is very devastating, as I see in
• 31:32
  Speaker 17: the ground.
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: Last week. I just returned on Friday.
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: Evening from the ground and the situation in those river bank,
• 31:42
  Speaker 17: those river and the market, Trishuli market, everything has been
• 31:47
  Speaker 17: gone within a second. People are still missing, as you
• 31:51
  Speaker 17: said earlier, the death toll is more than 900 today
• 31:56
  Speaker 17: and the missing people is The number is rocketed today
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: morning that I see in the government report, the missing
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: number is more than 4,200 and as you said, more
• 32:11
  Speaker 17: than 40 Australians.
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: Are missing there.
• 32:14
  Speaker 17: The situation I cannot imagine in my whole life and
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: people are traumatized to whom I met in the last week.
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: It's still my.
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: Team in the ground distributing relief items, food, shelter, clean water, hygiene,
• 32:33
  Speaker 17: and personal emotional support as well.
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: So the people's, the children, women.
• 32:39
  Speaker 17: They have their very red eyes, tear on the eyes,
• 32:44
  Speaker 17: but they cannot speak clearly what they are observed last week.
• 32:52
  Speaker 17: At the same time, yes, government is doing search and
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: rescue very tirelessly, 24 hour, but still we cannot get
• 33:02
  Speaker 17: the live footage.
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: People from the ground, and it is not search and rescue.
• 33:07
  Speaker 17: Could be search and recovery or something like that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: I don't know exactly. The situation is very chaotic at
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: the moment and very tragic at the moment.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely tragic.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: And let's hope that some of the missing, of course,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the 43 Australians, let's hope there's a lack of communication,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that perhaps people are stranded somewhere and can get help.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: But as you say, with 4,000 missing, the hopes... Hopes
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: are not strong at the moment. A terrible situation. Tell me, Dhruva,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of aid flowing in. Australia's contributed to that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Is the aid looking at evacuating people away from that
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: river valley or are they looking to support people to
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: remain in the valley in whatever accommodation is left?
• 33:50
  Speaker 17: Actually, the people who are evacuated from the valley, evacuated
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: from that river bank, have been put in the temporary shelter.
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: Just like.
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: a high school, a primary school, and the bench has
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: been removed.
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: And on the floor they are staying.
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: And at the same time, they have got some of
• 34:10
  Speaker 17: the things like a mattress or something like that, but
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: that is not enough at the moment because they don't
• 34:15
  Speaker 17: have beds, they don't have pillows, they don't have enough
• 34:19
  Speaker 17: drinking water, enough health facilities there.
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: And you know, some of the things is required at
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: the normal house is not there. For example, toilets.
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: There is only one, two toilets in one school building
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: and the school building now has been accommodating more than 200,
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: 300 survivors there. And that is very chaotic. And every country,
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: just like Australia, was sending AIDS to the Nepal and
• 34:49
  Speaker 14: It is the challenging like access to the road, access
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: to the area, it is very challenging. Just now, we
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: have been sending from our office into the Rasuwa, but yesterday,
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: day before yesterday as well, our partner is already reached
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: to the Rasuwa village. But, you know, the situation at
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: this moment, the disaster that hit the ground is very
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: totally different at the moment. It's not just like flood.
• 35:17
  Speaker 14: It is not just like earthquake. It is a flash flood.
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: The riverbank people, the workers, the drivers, truck drivers, everyone
• 35:25
  Speaker 17: is washed away.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Just horrific. Just horrific.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: We've seen the vision, Drew, but thanks so much for
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: joining us. And, of course, this is the immediate emergency
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and crisis at the moment, but those people and those
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: areas are going to need reconstruction and help for years
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: to come. We appreciate you joining us. That's Truba Gormachan,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: who's with World Vision.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: And if you want to help with.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: The recovery process here, the progress, and donate to World Vision,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: you can do so by going to worldvision.com.au, the sort
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: of work they provide in the pool and all around
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the world as is required.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll cross to the UK, where
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: they've got their own battle over data centres and energy,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: just like here. There's uproar in the UK over new
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Andy Burnham's plan to ease overcrowding in jails
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: by letting prisoners out early.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Let's get some more.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Details from the News Corp Europe correspondent and, of course,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: News 24 contributor Sophie Ellsworth.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: What's going on here, Sophie?
• 36:30
  Speaker 18: Well, Chris, it's really quite a shambles here in the
• 36:33
  Speaker 18: UK with many prisoners and criminals set to be released
• 36:37
  Speaker 18: early because the jails are at almost capacity. Looking at
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: the front page of the Daily Mail today, Chris, says
• 36:44
  Speaker 18: more dangerous criminals set to be freed early. Now, there's
• 36:49
  Speaker 18: concern that this could put pressure on This could raise
• 36:54
  Speaker 18: issues and safety issues with the British public and there's
• 36:58
  Speaker 18: calls for an overhaul of the prison system because at
• 37:00
  Speaker 18: the moment it's only got 3% of vacancies in the
• 37:06
  Speaker 18: entire prison system and it's also raise concerns as to
• 37:10
  Speaker 18: whether or not there are enough police on the ground
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: here in Britain as well. So this is a real
• 37:15
  Speaker 18: mess and a very big concern and a big issue
• 37:20
  Speaker 18: that the new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, has had to address.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not going to be great for him, a
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: law and order crisis like this.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And most people would probably want bigger.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Jails rather than letting dangerous criminals out.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Here's what the PM's had to say.
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: I've applied common sense here, and I was faced with
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: a situation where people on those sentences who have more
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: than served their time not being released, when others who've
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: committed very serious crimes being released early. And the judgment
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: I've made is the public, in my view, would prefer
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: a situation where people who have served their time to
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: be considered for release before those who haven't.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine this is winning over the hearts and
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: minds of the British voters, is it, Sophie?
• 38:08
  Speaker 18: It absolutely isn't, Chris. And just listening to Talkback Radio
• 38:12
  Speaker 18: this morning before I've come on your program, it's absolutely
• 38:15
  Speaker 18: filled with people irate at this decision, very concerned. Now,
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: this was done under Sakhir Starmer. Andy Burnham has inherited this.
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: He's tried to come down a bit tougher on the policy,
• 38:28
  Speaker 18: but it's definitely raised many issues in the UK that
• 38:31
  Speaker 18: dangerous criminals and potentially repeat offenders will be out on
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: the loose because the jails are too full.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Now, we've had arguments here in Australia about data centres.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Chris Bowen and Labor say they should basically.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Bring their own renewable energy and bring their own water.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: It looks like they're trying to basically stop investment in
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: data centres rather than encourage it. But in Britain, the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Greens are right on with that. They just want to
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: stop data centres.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Here they are.
• 39:01
  Speaker 16: We need to slam the brakes on energy-guzzling, water-guzzling data centres.
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: At the moment, the government determined them as critical infrastructure.
• 39:10
  Speaker 16: But I think to most people, critical infrastructure is water, electricity, hospitals.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: They really are just wanting to go back to, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: the prehistoric days. They wanted hemp farms instead of data centres.
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: Well, this is Zach Polanski, the leader of the Greens.
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: So I guess it's something you would expect him to say.
• 39:34
  Speaker 18: But there's more than 450 data centres across the UK
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: and he's raised concerns about the amount of energy that
• 39:41
  Speaker 18: they need to consume to operate. And he's raised concerns
• 39:45
  Speaker 18: about this. So it's definitely put this on the agenda.
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: And look, Parliament is back this week, Chris. So it's
• 39:51
  Speaker 18: certainly going to be a busy week for politicians here
• 39:54
  Speaker 18: in London.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: They are Luddites. There is no doubt about it. They
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: are Luddites. They're against nuclear, of course. Now they're against
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: data centres.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: They want all this energy just to sort of come
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: up from windmills and the like.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: The same here, of course. Tell us about Prince Harry.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Criticism that he didn't give security agencies enough warning that
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: he was coming back to Britain. He probably didn't give
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Britons enough warning that he was coming home either.
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: Hmm.
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: Well, Chris, as we know, Harry and Meghan turned their
• 40:22
  Speaker 18: back on this country six years ago. They've now come
• 40:25
  Speaker 18: back to Britain with their tail between their legs. They're
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: bunkered down here. They're back living in the UK. Now,
• 40:32
  Speaker 18: the stories here in the press is that the Duke
• 40:35
  Speaker 18: and Duchess did not give authorities much warning that they
• 40:39
  Speaker 18: were coming back. So the necessary police protection that they
• 40:43
  Speaker 18: want was unable to be implemented properly.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Effectively.
• 40:46
  Speaker 18: Now, they are asking for taxpayer-funded protection while living here
• 40:51
  Speaker 18: in the UK. They are not working royals while they
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: are here in the UK. But this is a dire
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: situation for Harry and Meghan because they have an enormous
• 41:00
  Speaker 18: task ahead of themselves, Chris, to win back the British
• 41:04
  Speaker 18: public because I can certainly tell you the people I've
• 41:07
  Speaker 18: spoken to on the ground here in the UK are
• 41:10
  Speaker 18: not pleased with them and they're not very happy that
• 41:12
  Speaker 18: they're back here in Britain.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: They can just stick them in the Tower of London
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: and they'll be safe there.
• 41:19
  Speaker 18: I'm not sure if they'd want to be living there, Chris.
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: They're living somewhere exotic in the Cotswolds, as you would expect.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, they'd be living it high on the hog, of course.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: That's what they want more than anything. Thanks for joining us, Sophie.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Sophie Osworth there all over in the UK and across
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Europe for us. We've got to get to a break
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and we'll catch up with Gemma Tognini and Caroline Derusso.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about Labor's demonisation of One Nation.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Monday panel. On the desk here
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: with me is Gemma Tonnuni. Hello, hello. GT Comms.
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: It's all happening.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Over in the west, Caroline de Rousseau, who happens to
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: be the president of the West Australian Liberal Party, which
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: we should make clear at the outset of this conversation
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: because the dreaded Labor government in Western Australia lost a seat, Caro.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: But not to you guys, to One Nation. Does that
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: make the Liberals feel a little irrelevant?
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: No, not really, not at all.
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: I know you really want us to feel irrelevant, Chris,
• 42:14
  Speaker 15: but unfortunately we don't.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering how you feel.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: Well, it was a really.
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: It was actually a very interesting exercise.
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, you have to look. Sacred Harbour is a
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: seat that Labor have never lost.
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: In the history of the seat, I think back to 1989,
• 42:31
  Speaker 15: and they've held it on some very serious margins, including
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: in 2013 when the Liberal government won in a landslide.
• 42:38
  Speaker 15: They still won the predecessor seat of Secret Harbour. on primaries.
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: So it was always a pre-selection, sorry, it was always
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: a by-election we were going to participate in because obviously
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: who is going to give up the opportunity to spend
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: six weeks hammering a terrible government? So we were absolutely
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: always going to be in it and we gave it
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: a good whack, a very good whack.
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: But ultimately, Chris.
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: This is a seat that it wasn't going to be
• 43:07
  Speaker 15: your traditional red-blue contest, much like, you know, we lost
• 43:11
  Speaker 15: Kuyong to Attil. Were you hand-wringing that Labor didn't win
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: Kuyong off the Liberal Party?
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: No.
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: It was always going to go to an adjacent type party.
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: Political party.
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: In that case, it was the Teals.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: And in this case, it was One Nation.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting aspect, apart from the fact of me
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: being accused of wanting the Liberals to be irrelevant.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I've never had that accusation level. I hope Albo was
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: listening to that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: But Caro's right in that if you've got a bunch
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: of Labor voters locked on Labor voters and they're cheesed
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: off with Albo over the cost of living and everything else,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: They might find it hard to vote for the Liberal Party.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: They see them as the enemy, as the blue bloods
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: and whatever. It might be an easier path in some
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Labor seats for people to vote One Nation rather than Coalition.
• 43:57
  Speaker 19: Potentially, I think that's absolutely right. And I think for
• 43:59
  Speaker 19: those outside of Western Australia, you need to understand... It's
• 44:03
  Speaker 19: not just a Labor seat. It is deep Labor heartland.
• 44:06
  Speaker 19: This is former Kim Beazley land. As Caroline said, this
• 44:11
  Speaker 19: seat has never been held by anyone other than Labor.
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: The Liberal Party, I would say, and I'm not deep
• 44:18
  Speaker 19: in the party at all, I'm not a member of
• 44:19
  Speaker 19: the party like my learned friend, but the Liberal Party
• 44:23
  Speaker 19: would historically never have had.
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: A foot in this seat.
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: This was 100% about voters sending a message to, in
• 44:31
  Speaker 19: my view at least, Mr Albanese via Mr Cook.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Smart operators can see this coming.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: That's why Peter Malinowskis, the Labor Premier in South Australia,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: was so cautious about One Nation after that election because
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: he saw them take seats from the Liberals this time around.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: He knows it could soon be Labor, so we'll see. Cara,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on Albo's attacks against
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: One Nation.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Across the world, hard-right populists are on the march, peddling
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: politics that is dangerous, divisive and downright dishonest.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: The whole lot, dangerous, divisive and dishonest. Now, the dangerous
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: stuff is what I want to focus on first up.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: The dishonest stuff is just chutzpah to the nth degree.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: But what do you think about.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: These claims from Pauline Hanson that this lifting of animosity
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: could actually lead to violence?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Look, I.
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: In Australia, and, you know, historically, we have not had
• 45:31
  Speaker 15: a tradition of political violence, and I'd really like to
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: keep it that way, Chris. But, you know, the fact
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: of the matter is when people say things in this
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: sort of way, I just think it's deeply unhelpful.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: Look, the fact of the matter is.
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: The One Nation is as much an opponent for Labor
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: as it is for the Coalition. It's going to be
• 45:51
  Speaker 15: a player going forward. But we know that this sort
• 45:55
  Speaker 15: of rhetoric does not work with people who are potentially
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: going to vote for One Nation. If you want to
• 46:01
  Speaker 15: criticise the policy, criticise the policy. If you want to
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: criticise the lack of experience or whatever it is, do that,
• 46:07
  Speaker 15: but do that in a very considered way. Trying to
• 46:10
  Speaker 15: do it in this sense, you know, and the whole,
• 46:13
  Speaker 15: you know, that they're racist, it does not work and
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: it actually belittles the Prime Minister. Do not even get
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: me started on the dishonest bit because he is in
• 46:22
  Speaker 15: no position to lecture anyone, this bloke who didn't fall
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: off the stage.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: It's laughable.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't just diminish the Prime Minister, though, because have
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: a look at the Treasurer as well.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: Here I mean the threat to our country and its cohesion,
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: its people... and our economy posed by a dangerous and
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: divisive coalition of chaos.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Dangerous, Gemma.
• 46:44
  Speaker 19: I mean, how does he lie straight in bed at night? Honestly,
• 46:47
  Speaker 19: these people have... There is no truth in them. There's
• 46:49
  Speaker 19: no integrity in them. Mr Chalmers is busy wrecking the
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: economy and saying it's not his fault. Mr Albanese didn't
• 46:56
  Speaker 19: fall off a chair, the stage. The voice wasn't his loss.
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: It wasn't Mellon's.
• 47:01
  Speaker 19: It was just misunderstood. I mean, they are absolute liars.
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: And I loved what Michaelia Cash said on your show.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: She went hard.
• 47:08
  Speaker 19: They are filthy, dirty, untrustworthy liars. And I don't... You know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 19: I've adopted this posture of sort of like observing, trying
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: to understand the why, not just the what and the
• 47:21
  Speaker 19: how and the when, but the why of this.
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: Australia.
• 47:24
  Speaker 19: John Howard said the electorate always gets it right. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 19: never really agreed with him on that because I thought, well,
• 47:28
  Speaker 19: we've got the Albanese government, they cannot be right about that.
• 47:30
  Speaker 19: But here we are, the voters of Australia going, you're lying,
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: Prime Minister. You're wrecking the economy in my kid's future
• 47:37
  Speaker 19: and trying to blame it on us. Mr Chalmers. And
• 47:39
  Speaker 19: so we're telling you something. And instead, just imagine, I
• 47:41
  Speaker 19: want to take your brain to Fantasy Island for a moment.
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: Just imagine if Anthony Albanese said, you know what, the
• 47:48
  Speaker 19: Australian voters are sending us a message here and we
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: need to.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: Stop and listen.
• 47:51
  Speaker 19: But no, no, he's turning around going, it's divisive, it's dangerous.
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: You are shameful.
• 47:57
  Speaker 19: You are unworthy of the role that you occupy, both
• 47:59
  Speaker 19: you and your horrible treasurer. I've never seen anything so
• 48:02
  Speaker 19: disgusting in my adult life as a taxpayer. And I
• 48:05
  Speaker 19: look forward to the day that you both lose your seats.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Michaelia Cash and Gemma Tognini being very straightforward with us tonight.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I want to finish on a really positive note and
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: the incredible story as relayed by Channel 9's 60 Minutes
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: last night, the shark attack survivor from Coogee, Lee Stewart,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: telling us about how she managed to fight off the shark.
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: And I knew I had to punch its snout as
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: hard as I could.
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: In my head, I was like, you ugly... You are
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: not taking me away from my daughter.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: And I twisted myself around and I just.
• 48:37
  Speaker 17: Started punching it over and over and over again, just punch, punch, punch.
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: And it was like fighting a dinosaur.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: We haven't got much time, Caro, but this is an
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: incredible story. Apart from her own bravery and tenacity to
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: punch the shark, there was a world sort of class
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: paddler there and top class lifesavers and trauma specialist doctors
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: all on the beach.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: They're all combining to save her life.
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: And what a great story.
• 49:06
  Speaker 15: And this is the sort of thing, you know, you
• 49:08
  Speaker 15: obviously never want to see someone in this situation, but
• 49:11
  Speaker 15: it could not have worked out better. And I'm glad
• 49:14
  Speaker 15: that she's here to tell the story.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: And I'd really like her to run in Grayndler.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Two words on this?
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: I've got goosebumps.
• 49:20
  Speaker 19: I'm so happy.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: What a beautiful story.
• 49:22
  Speaker 19: That's what we need to prove to us that the
• 49:24
  Speaker 19: world isn't going to hell in a handbag.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have to disagree with Caro. We don't
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: want her going into politics.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Let her be a hero and a mother and a
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: schoolteacher rather than going into fight elbow in Grainla.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Caroline Deruso, Gemma Tognini. We'll catch
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you next week. We've got to go now. Here's Peter Credlin.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow.