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- 0:00Explain what neuralink is and what the goal of it is. We put a
- 0:05chip in your brain to control your mind. Yeah, okay, all right,
- 0:11concerns, Yeah, jump right in, step right up, who wants
- 0:16one? So neuralink you'll be able to see neural link coming from a very
- 0:23long distance because any device that you implanted in a human is you have to
- 0:28go through a million, so many tests. It moves very slowly. You
- 0:32just do a few people at a time and then you go to extreme lengths
- 0:37to prove safety. You have to go through the FDA approvals. Like we're
- 0:41not trying to side step any you know, regulatory approvals doing everything. You
- 0:47buy the book and with maximum we're really actually we're going far beyond what the
- 0:53requirements are of the FDA from a safety standpoint, and the initial devices will
- 0:58really just be pretty basic. It'll be about restoring functionality to people who've lost
- 1:03their connection between their their brain and their body. So you can imagine like
- 1:07if say Stephen Hawking could talk communicate as fast as somebody with a fully functioning
- 1:14body, that'll be amazing. So that's like the what we're trying to do
- 1:18that that's our first application is to restore functionality to quatter fleix, tetraplegics and
- 1:23people who have just for whatever reason, no longer have a connection between or
- 1:27if a limited connection between their their their their brain and their body. And
- 1:34then the second application would be restoration of eyesight. So if somebody's gone completely
- 1:40blind, maybe even just lost the optic nerve, you can actually still directly
- 1:46assimilate the neurons in the visual part of the cortex, so you can give
- 1:55direct vision to the brain. In fact, you could actually depending upon what
- 2:00cameras you use, you can actually see in different wavelengths. Okay, you
- 2:04know, like Jory LaForce from like you know, because I have that,
- 2:07Like I actually watched like an episode of Start Take the Next Generation with special
- 2:13effects compared to what we're used to, like you know, not that great,
- 2:17but he's got like the wrap round you know, glasses, and you
- 2:22can see in different wavelengths, so you can see like ultra violet, infrared
- 2:28and that kind of thing. So you can actually do that. You could
- 2:30say, like you could see in radar if you want. And what's the
- 2:36what's the long term what's the long term goal for it? Because I think
- 2:39myself and others I think the first part is the first part sounds sounds fine,
- 2:46sounds yeah, that's like card argue with yeah yeah. But long term,
- 2:50I think, I mean, the concern that people have is is this
- 2:53just leading us into this dystopian transhumanist future? Where where does it go?
- 2:59What are the what are the ethical boundaries of it? Well, I mean
- 3:02the thing I wanted to empasize is that it's not going to like sort of
- 3:06pounce on us overnight. You'll see it coming. It's going to be very
- 3:09slow. In fact, I really think that artificial general intelligence or digital superintelligence
- 3:15is likely to arrive before we have really advanced in your links at least that's
- 3:22where the trend is right now. But ultimately the idea would be to achieve
- 3:30symbiosis between our biological mind and our kind of digital mind. So we're already
- 3:38kind of a cyborg. If you think of like your phone and your computers
- 3:42as an extension of yourself. In fact, like if you leave your phone
- 3:46behind, it's like you have missing limbs syndrome. You're like, where do
- 3:49it go? You know, And so the phone is kind of an extension
- 3:54of ourselves, like computer is. The various applications that we use are an
- 4:00extention of self. So we are already a cyborg. It's just that the
- 4:02interfaces with our eyes and our fingers and and that that interface especially output.
- 4:10The rate at which we can type words into a phone or a computer just
- 4:15it's very slow. Our input is much better because with the data rate from
- 4:19vision is you know, I don't know, many thousands of times maybe a
- 4:26million times better than the rate of which we can output. So input is
- 4:30like maybe roughly a million times better than output. And so so what what
- 4:38a neural device can do is improve that bandwidth, allow allow you to be
- 4:45sort of much more symbiotic with your the AI extension of yourself. So you
- 4:50can think of like like a human brain really is could be augubly divided into
- 4:54two parts. One is kind of like the primitive brain, the reptile brain
- 5:00it's sometimes called, you know, it's like got a sort of basic instinct.
- 5:02And then we've got the cortex, like the higher level thinking, planning
- 5:08and that kind of thing. The two operate symbiotically. So I haven't yet
- 5:13met anyone who wants to delete their olympic system or deleat their cortex. Everyone's
- 5:16quite happy having both they're like, I like that the way there is,
- 5:19you know, but your cortex is way smarter than your Olympic system. So
- 5:24but the irony is that even though the cortex is way smarter than the Limbic
- 5:27system, most of what it's doing, you're trying to make the Olympic system
- 5:30happy. It's like Limbic systems hunky hungry. Okay, let's get some food.
- 5:34The Olympic system is horny. Okay, let's you know, have sex
- 5:39or whatever. See, I mean the sheer amount of of of effort,
- 5:43the you know, the cortexes have of all the humans have put into trying
- 5:49to get laid is insane. It's got to keep the species gone. Yeah,
- 5:56but it's not even with even if you know, it's not for appropriate
- 6:00like the like the Limbic system is. It's it's really like too simple to
- 6:03understand that, like sex does not resulting in procreation because for almost all of
- 6:09human existence that it did. Both control is a very recent thing. So
- 6:15the Limbic system is like trying to insent procreation. And but but now we
- 6:23can effectively hack Thelympic system by doing procreation, but by having sex without a
- 6:27procreation. So which is I guess maybe part of the issue with you know,
- 6:35why do we have more kids is like in the past, that would
- 6:38just happened because you know, in order to make the limbic system happy,
- 6:42you'd have sex. You didn't have both control, so you pop out some
- 6:45goods. Yes, So that's that's how it used to be. So so
- 6:51so so even though you've got cortex that's way smarter than the limbic system,
- 6:55the cortex is still basically just trying to make the limbic system happy. And
- 7:00and then if you think of like the computers as a sort of a third
- 7:02layer, the AI is a third layer. It's not necessarily the case that
- 7:08the AI would be acting contrary to our interests. I think if it's closely
- 7:15linked with a biological intelligence, I think it could actually be just again trying
- 7:21to make the cortex happy, which is trying to make the limit system happy.
- 7:25So I think we'll put even more computing power to try to get laid.
- 7:28Basically, now the AI is going to help you get laid. I
- 7:36think. I think what it is that that concerns people about it number one,
- 7:40you know number one being new, But I think the main thing is
- 7:43is the the fact that this is something that's like inside inside your body.
- 7:48Right, I think that the idea of putting a chip ins the idea of
- 7:54someone putting a chip in my brain. I just have a bit, I
- 7:56have a visceral. No, I have I have a very an optional thing.
- 8:03I mean it's going to you know, would it would it be the
- 8:05long term? I mean, I hope so I think it should be optional
- 8:09too bizarre if it was not. No, I think it's kind of like
- 8:13kind What was the reason I ask? Is because smartphones right now are sort
- 8:18of optional. But if you don't have a smartphone the way everything is sort
- 8:24of designed around society, you, yes, you cannot have a smartphone,
- 8:30but it's a massive hindrance and disadvantage in many ways. True, a smartphone
- 8:35is almost essentral and a mout in society to do things. Yeah, so
- 8:39could a neuralink end up in that same sort of place. It's possible,
- 8:43But I'm just saying if it does, it's it's it's many decades from now,
- 8:48so it's not like, you know, it's not today's problem. Yeah,
- 8:52I'd worry about more about digital superintelligence. I'd worry about let's try to
- 8:56avoid world War three, let's sure we're at least having enough kids to sustain
- 9:03our population, you know, basic stuff like that. Yeah, what's your
- 9:07greatest concern with artificial intelligence? Because I know that you have worked with it,
- 9:13but also I know it's something that you personally have massive concerns about as
- 9:20well, which you've voiced in this podcast and elsewhere. Yeah. I think
- 9:26that actually the most likely outcome for artificial intelligence is that it is good.
- 9:33That it will improve our lives most likely, but there's some chance that it
- 9:37will not, And I think we just need to be cognizant of that and
- 9:41understand that it's a powerful technology. It's a double edged sword, and we
- 9:46need to put a lot of effort into ensuring that we have a good AI
- 9:50outcome and not a bad one. What does a good one look like?
- 9:56Well, if I'd recommend people to read the in Banks books, the culture
- 10:00books, that's the best representation of a positive AI human future that I've seen.
- 10:09Okay, so that's my recommendation. I mean it effectively a I I
- 10:16think it will massively enhance human ability. It's like just a massive amplifier of
- 10:26human ability, just like the computer was. So really is just a question
- 10:33of like does does it the some risk that it doesn't merely amplify human activity,
- 10:39but it starts basically just being in charge. And you know there's some
- 10:45risk at me view humanity negatively and decide that we're a blied on the earth.
- 10:52Like like I think, like a very dangerous thing would be if if
- 10:54the if the sort of human extinctionist philosophy somehow got into AI, that would
- 11:00be bad. Like that guy that was part page in The York Times saying,
- 11:03you know, the eight billion people on Earth, we don't want him
- 11:05coding it. We don't want him coding you. Yeah, nice to say
- 11:09what. And there's quite a few people in the cicular words who have that
- 11:13either explicit or implicit extinctionis sphere. Yes, whether if your humanity is a
- 11:18blight on the face the Yeah, there's a lot of anti natalists in the
- 11:22in the world and people who actually anti human yes, yes, like you
- 11:26said, people who don't have the pride in being human, right, these
- 11:30people guilty or even say that that's a speciesism you know that's yeah. Yeah,
- 11:35I mean I'm a human supremacist. I'll be open about that one.
- 11:39Yeah. I mean I think we've got to fight for team Human, Like,
- 11:41if we don't fight for as humans, who who will? Yeah?
- 11:43I mean if the Earth exists and humans do not, then it's like we're
- 11:48saving the planet for who at that point. Yeah. What do you think
- 11:52about AI replacing jobs though, because that's a that's a big concern. Even
- 11:54if AI doesn't sort of go rogue and start doing something directly horrible, I
- 12:01think a lot of people's concerns is just, hey, what about everyone's jobs.
- 12:05I will certainly be very disruptive because jobs will be different. So now
- 12:11I think the rate of change, the rate the change coursed by AI is
- 12:16it's going to be pretty radical, so that there will you know, a
- 12:20lot of jobs that are that currently exist won't exist in the future. But
- 12:24I think there will be new jobs. And I do think like in a
- 12:26benign AI scenario, we will really have an age of abundance the I think
- 12:35really goods and services unless they are artificially made scarce, like like it's specialized
- 12:39artwork, or you want that particular house in that neighborhood, like it has
- 12:43been artificial scarcity. But anything that has not made artificially scarce will be plentiful,
- 12:48as in a benign AI scenario, you'll be able to have any products
- 12:52and services you want that anyone will. Is that not start to cause a
- 13:00whole new level of problems? Yeah, it does. It's like it's it's
- 13:03like, you know, there's there's some things which sound like like a a
- 13:09blessing but may in fact be a curse. Like I think you will live
- 13:11forever. It sounds like a blessing, it's actually a curse. You would
- 13:16not want to live forever. You don't know how long forever it is.
- 13:20And if you say, another potential curse is you can have anything you want
- 13:26effortlessly. Are you sure you want that? Yeah? Does anything matter at
- 13:31that point? Yeah? And what about the value? I mean, I
- 13:35think a lot of the value of work isn't just getting money to buy things.
- 13:39It's the meaning, it's the purpose, it's knowing that you worked for
- 13:45this thing. Right, It's different. It's different to get ten million dollars
- 13:48because someone just gave you ten million dollars, or you want a lottery versus
- 13:52you created a business and sold products and services that helped you to earn that
- 13:58money exactly. So it's like, how do we find meaning and relevance?
- 14:05If you have an age of abundance where the computer you just ask for anything
- 14:09and get it, it is something we'll have struggle with that that'll that'll be
- 14:15I don't know, it's I think that's kind of most likely when we're headed
- 14:18is an age of abundance, but it will definitely cause some existential angst.
- 14:31What are you most optimistic about? In fact, if you just say,
- 14:33like, like for a neural link device, I mean, part of what
- 14:37I'm hoping is here in a benign AI scenario, like, how do we
- 14:41even go along for the ride? How do we even understand the AI?
- 14:43Like if you've got some sort of you know, incredible intelligence unless we do
- 14:50sort of effectively have better symbiosis, increase the bandwidth to our the AI extension
- 14:56of ourselves, effectively augment our human intelligence, and substantially we may not even
- 15:03be able to appreciate the wonders that will exist in the future.