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Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: O’s SP, Ohtani v. Ruth, Cubs blitz, Astros views, A’s in Sacto · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Now that they have Guerrero under contract for fourteen years,
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  Speaker 1: there's a clear plan they're going to try to win
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  Speaker 1: with him, build around him.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hit the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal.
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  Speaker 2: Ken your notes column fresh out this morning. I think
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  Speaker 2: you saw it, probably I reply right away. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I was looking forward to a notes column. I love
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  Speaker 2: me a good Ken Notes column in the athletics. So
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  Speaker 2: let's start with the minor league park side of things
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  Speaker 2: and a little bit of what you wrote about there.
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  Speaker 2: Can you enlighten us well?
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  Speaker 3: Scott?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I appreciate those kind words, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote about mostly the A's park, Sutter Health Park
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  Speaker 1: in West Sacramento, and how there have been some home
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  Speaker 1: runs that have been hit with launch angles and exit
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  Speaker 1: velocities that do not usually result in homers. So there's
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  Speaker 1: an immediate concern there by some of the A's people
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  Speaker 1: that this place is going to play pretty small, and
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind it's not even.
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  Speaker 3: Warm yet, so.
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  Speaker 1: That's one aspect. Then Tampa Bay, you saw over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days what happened with the Angels hitting.
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  Speaker 3: All those home runs. They had what six yesterday?
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  Speaker 1: Four in one inning for the day before. Now the
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  Speaker 1: Rays weren't hitting as many home runs. But that park,
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  Speaker 1: which the Rays initially thought during their first homestand might
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  Speaker 1: not be the.
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  Speaker 3: Hitter's environment they expected.
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  Speaker 1: Is now looking like it will be. And again the
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  Speaker 1: weather has yet to turn really warm, so we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: see how this plays out. But major League Baseball and
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  Speaker 1: minor league parks, it's questionable has been from the start.
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  Speaker 4: What's the choice? What other choice do they have? There's
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  Speaker 4: no choice.
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  Speaker 1: In particularly for Tampa Bay, there's no choice. And that
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  Speaker 1: was the product of a natural disaster.
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  Speaker 3: The A's had a choice. They could still be in Oakland,
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  Speaker 3: they could.
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  Speaker 1: Still have gotten a stadium done in Oakland. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things that could have happened, but this is
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  Speaker 1: where they are for now, and again we'll see how
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  Speaker 1: it plays out. These statistical sizes are still too to
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  Speaker 1: really make any huge judgment, But as I wrote, the
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  Speaker 1: A's are expected to call up a pitcher who's a
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  Speaker 1: sinker ball or JT. Gin in the next day or two,
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  Speaker 1: maybe to join their rotation because he's a sinker baller,
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  Speaker 1: and they're already thinking we need guys like this.
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  Speaker 4: Need the ball on the ground. It gets hot out there,
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  Speaker 4: so it's gonna get warm too. But the other looming
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  Speaker 4: part of this what about the playoffs? Neither of the
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  Speaker 4: We haven't heard any plans of if either of these
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  Speaker 4: teams make the playoffs, because contrary to what maybe ownership
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  Speaker 4: is doing, the players want to win, and the players
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  Speaker 4: want to make the playoffs. Is there any new leeway
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  Speaker 4: and to say where they would play?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything yet, Eric, And my guess is
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  Speaker 1: baseball feels that Listen, this is a problem we don't
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  Speaker 1: need to address just yet. It's not a situation where
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs start tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: If we get to September, even late August and either
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  Speaker 1: or both of these teams are in contention, oh it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a talking point, no doubt. And the
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  Speaker 1: question for the playoffs is not so much how the
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  Speaker 1: park would play, but capacity. These stadiums told what twelve
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  Speaker 1: thousand people or so, and the media areas are not
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  Speaker 1: very big at all, especially at Sutterhealth Park in Sacramento,
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  Speaker 1: what I understand. So there are all kinds of issues
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  Speaker 1: that would arise if indeed these teams were in contention,
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  Speaker 1: but we're not there yet.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, Let's stay American League and Talk Blue Jays. You
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  Speaker 2: wrote another article about what's next for them? So what
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  Speaker 2: do you think is next for them? And specifically, if
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  Speaker 2: you can mix in there, do you think there's a
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  Speaker 2: chance that Bobaschett really happens. I felt like for a
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  Speaker 2: while the thoughts were this guy's going to free agency.
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  Speaker 2: Vladdie is the key target. It almost feels like they've
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  Speaker 2: got a little momentum now, and also Bo probably recognized
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  Speaker 2: the size of the paycheck.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree that maybe the chances of signing Bashett
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  Speaker 1: are higher than they were I don't know three months ago,
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  Speaker 1: but it will take two to tango, and while both
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  Speaker 1: sides have said the right things, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: How it develops.
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  Speaker 1: I can't see it happening during the season because look
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  Speaker 1: at how long it took them to get Guerrero done.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like forever and it was years in the making.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't see bobaschev being this many months away
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  Speaker 1: from free agency just.
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  Speaker 3: Saying hey, let's do it right now. Now.
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  Speaker 1: What could develop, and I mentioned this in the story,
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  Speaker 1: is that he's a shortstop at a time when most
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  Speaker 1: big market teams, most heavy spenders, are set at shortstop.
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  Speaker 1: Things can always change, of course, and the Braves are
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  Speaker 1: one team in particular that might be looking at shortstop
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  Speaker 1: in the offseason, and Boba Shed of course Alexanthopolis would
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  Speaker 1: be familiar with him, although I think Biship came after
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  Speaker 1: Anthopolis was gone from Toronto.
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  Speaker 3: But regardless, the Braves could be one team.
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  Speaker 1: But what happens if Bishett doesn't get the market that
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  Speaker 1: he expected, sort of like Pete Alonso this offseason, could
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  Speaker 1: then he circle back to the Blue Jays the way Alonso.
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  Speaker 3: Did with the Mets.
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  Speaker 1: Now when you ask me what's next for the team
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  Speaker 1: in general, Scott, I've be critical of them for I
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  Speaker 1: don't know a year or so for seemilarly not having
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  Speaker 1: any kind of plan or direction. Now that they have
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  Speaker 1: Guerrero under contract for fourteen years, there's a clear plan.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to try to win with him, build around him.
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  Speaker 1: They'll have opportunities to do that. They've got money coming
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  Speaker 1: off the payroll this year's significant money, money coming off
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  Speaker 1: the payroll next year as well as significant money in
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  Speaker 1: that case, so they're going to have opportunities. And with
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  Speaker 1: Guerrero there, it seems to me that they'll have a
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  Speaker 1: better chance with free agents because teams will see, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Vlad's there, we know what's going on, and eventually we'll
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  Speaker 1: get some resolution on what exactly their front office is
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  Speaker 1: going to look like. Remember Mark Shapiro, team president in
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  Speaker 1: the last year of his contract, Russ Atkins general manager
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  Speaker 1: with another year after this, and that's been something too
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  Speaker 1: that I would imagine players have had questions about what's
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  Speaker 1: this team going to look like from a management perspective.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see how it all plays out. But the
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  Speaker 1: Jays now, in my view, are in a better place
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  Speaker 1: with Guerrero than they were with all this uncertainty, with
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of losing Guerrero and Bisheff for just draft picks.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been a calamitous outcome and it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: There's always been this ongoing talk about sho Heo Tani,
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  Speaker 5: Babe Ruth, you know, who's better player all these different categories.
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  Speaker 5: Now my question to you is we're talking about shoe
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  Speaker 5: Hao Tani, the pitcher. Who's going to have more you know,
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  Speaker 5: innings pitched? You know, once it's all said and done.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if I'm not mistaken, show Hayes at around four
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  Speaker 1: hundred and Babe Ruth, was it about twelve hundred?
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  Speaker 3: Is that right? Guys?
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  Speaker 2: Yep, Yes, I'm on in the rough range.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that means Show has got to pitch eight
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  Speaker 1: hundred more innings in his career. He's probably a guy
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  Speaker 1: who is not going to average more than one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty over the course of his career if you've
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  Speaker 1: being that much.
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  Speaker 3: So that's five or six years of pitching.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure shoeeo Tany is going to get to
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  Speaker 1: Ruth's level with the innings workload that he is probably
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  Speaker 1: going to be under. So I would bet Babe Ruth
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  Speaker 1: if I had to guess right now, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think Joey is going to pitch that much. And for
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  Speaker 1: that long.
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  Speaker 4: Can you tell us what time of year you're gonna say?
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  Speaker 4: You know what? Maybe the astros are cooked? Is it
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  Speaker 4: gonna be September twenty eighth? When Ken Rosenthal finally says,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, this wasn't the Astros year because you
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  Speaker 4: said on your show yesterday, Yeah, you said a fair territory.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, I can't count them out? Ever, wellever could happen?
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  Speaker 3: Ever's a long time, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but last year when there was seven and nineteen
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  Speaker 1: or even before that, I remember writing something along the
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  Speaker 1: lines of is this the end, and the underlying theme
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  Speaker 1: was yeah, I think it might.
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  Speaker 3: Be the end, it wasn't the end.
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  Speaker 1: So therefore, even though the Astros have lost Tucker and
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  Speaker 1: Bregman and Presley, the culture there is so strong. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not about to count them out.
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  Speaker 3: And no one should.
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  Speaker 1: Considering their success since twenty seventeen with the cheating or
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  Speaker 1: not even post scandal, they've.
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  Speaker 3: Been really, really good.
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  Speaker 1: So there's something there with them that has endured over
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  Speaker 1: the years, a culture that has basically led to winning.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, I won't say I won't count them out ever,
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  Speaker 1: but certainly if there's an X next to their line
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  Speaker 1: in the standings come September twenty eighth and they're eliminated, yeah, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: I'll count them out then.
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  Speaker 2: Nop. That's good timing at that point. So we'll wait.
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  Speaker 2: We got a little time in between now and then.
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  Speaker 2: Where do we think the Cubs are going to be at?
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  Speaker 2: So you wrote in your notes column about the nine
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  Speaker 2: and six record, but what's impressive about it in your mind.
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  Speaker 1: That the schedule has been so difficult for one and
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  Speaker 1: after this trip to Los Angeles and San Diego, Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: and Padres They've got the Dodgers for two more games
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  Speaker 1: at Wrigley and then by April twenty third, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be done with the Dodgers and Padres.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Both those teams are really good. And the other thing
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  Speaker 1: that has been good about the Cubs so far, and
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  Speaker 1: again it's really early and it's too early to pass judgment,
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  Speaker 1: but offensively they lead the National League and runs per game.
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  Speaker 1: That was a sore spot for them last year. They
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  Speaker 1: were middle of the pack offensively in the National League.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see if it continues. We'll see if they
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  Speaker 1: sustain it. But with Kyle Tucker there, it seems like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a better offense, no kidding, that
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  Speaker 1: was what was supposed to happen.
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  Speaker 4: What about the Orioles rotation depth? Where is that? Where
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  Speaker 4: is that going to come to fruition at because they
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  Speaker 4: have some pieces, But I don't know the timeline for
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  Speaker 4: Tyler Wells. I don't know the timeline for Bradish And
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  Speaker 4: is it going to be too late by the time
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  Speaker 4: those guys get back.
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  Speaker 1: Bradish and Wells notun till after the All Star break.
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  Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez, who knows every year, there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: mystery surrounding when he's going to pitch again. Kyle Gibson
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  Speaker 1: eventually will be ready. They've got some other pitchers, Trevor Rodgers,
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  Speaker 1: Chase McDermott also on the end list. These guys are
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  Speaker 1: lesser contributors, at least that's the expectation, but their bodies
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  Speaker 1: and their pictures, so they could enter the equation at
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  Speaker 1: some point. But like Scott was saying earlier, I've got
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  Speaker 1: the same question about them, and I've had it for
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  Speaker 1: a while now, the rotation and will it be good
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  Speaker 1: enough in a rugged division at a time when they've
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  Speaker 1: got all of these young position players taking another step
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  Speaker 1: forward or at least having the potential to do that.
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  Speaker 1: And you guys mentioned Kobe Mayo, and that's a really
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  Speaker 1: interesting case. And the Ools fans saying our system's not
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  Speaker 1: as deep are right.
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  Speaker 3: It's not as deep as it once was. But here's Mayo, a.
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  Speaker 1: Guy who most likely is going to end up at
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  Speaker 1: first base, could play third, but he's not going to
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  Speaker 1: play third for the Oriols.
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  Speaker 3: That's where Westbrook plays.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a player, a prospect, top one hundred guy
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  Speaker 1: that you could still build a package around for any
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  Speaker 1: picture that might be available at the deadline. I'll confer
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  Speaker 1: it a right on down.
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  Speaker 3: So will they move him, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they feel he's the guy to replace Ryan Montcastle
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  Speaker 1: in a year or two. Mant Castle has one more
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  Speaker 1: year after this. But you can't just win with young players, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't hold back when you have a clear
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  Speaker 1: need and an opportunity to make some noise, not just
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  Speaker 1: in the division, but in the playoffs. So Mayo is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the next interesting test case for them,
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  Speaker 1: whether they hold him or not.
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  Speaker 5: I want to go a little bit Rockies action here.
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  Speaker 5: They got a couple of prospects they just brought up,
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  Speaker 5: Chase Dollander and Zach Veen. Think they were brought up
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  Speaker 5: a little bit too soon or is this just the
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  Speaker 5: way Rockies are going to be working now this year?
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  Speaker 1: Well I wrote about this today in my notes Colin Todd,
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  Speaker 1: and it's.
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  Speaker 3: An interesting thing.
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  Speaker 1: You never want to rip a team for calling guys
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  Speaker 1: up and trying to win games. That's what we've been
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  Speaker 1: screaming about for years regarding service time manipulation, and no
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  Speaker 1: one is in favor of that. But with Donander and Veen,
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  Speaker 1: if they stay in the majors the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: They were called up early enough where the Rockies would
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  Speaker 1: lose a year of club control. They'd have them for
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  Speaker 1: only five more years instead of six. Should they have waited,
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  Speaker 1: I think today's the day in which you could have
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  Speaker 1: waited until a guy gets called up to have that
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  Speaker 1: extra year of control. You could certainly make the case
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  Speaker 1: that that would have been the wiser move, the more
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  Speaker 1: coherent move. But again, I'm sure their argument would be, hey, whoa, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to win and you're ripping us, or.
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  Speaker 3: You're criticizing that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily criticizing it, but I'm just pointing out
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  Speaker 1: that all they have to do is wait a little
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  Speaker 1: bit longer with Donander in particular, and they would have
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  Speaker 1: been clear with that year of club control.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Ken, this is what this show's about. It's
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  Speaker 4: about an opportunity for players to get back at reporters
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  Speaker 4: when they say things that we do that are just
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  Speaker 4: you know, you didn't agree with. So we're going to
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  Speaker 4: run a little clip of what you said about what
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  Speaker 4: AG and I said, and I want to hear your
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  Speaker 4: rebuttal from it, or your continued support of what you
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  Speaker 4: and Alana thought the s n Y.
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  Speaker 6: Broadcast went bananas. Obviously a benefit of the New York Mets,
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  Speaker 6: but they were like, this is just elemental stuff. You
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  Speaker 6: don't bring in the infield in a basis sloaded situation
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  Speaker 6: when you have a slugger at the plate. I was
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  Speaker 6: watching that game the other day, kid and the corsess
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  Speaker 6: and why I was going crazy about it. What is
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  Speaker 6: your take on this? Because AJ and Eric don't necessarily
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  Speaker 6: agree with me, but I don't understand the defensive alignment here.
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  Speaker 1: There's one out, You've got a chance for an ending,
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  Speaker 1: ending double play, and I believe they intentionally walked the
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  Speaker 1: batter before to set that up. So Gary Cohen's point was,
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  Speaker 1: why are you doing that to set up the double
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  Speaker 1: play and then not playing for the double play. The
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  Speaker 1: other egregious part here was the positioning of the center fielder.
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  Speaker 1: He was like a short fielder in softball, and naturally,
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  Speaker 1: when Alonzo crushed the ball the left center it went
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  Speaker 1: way over his head.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm with you, Alana, their dorks of the week.
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  Speaker 1: I heard what AJ and Eric said, and I understand
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  Speaker 1: their point, And actually Eric was saying, Alonso runs hard
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  Speaker 1: to first is beating out a few double play balls
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  Speaker 1: already this year. But I'm sorry that to me, was
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  Speaker 1: not the right percentage play, which was the argument AJ
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  Speaker 1: and Eric were making. All right, let me be clear, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: you and AJ were.
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  Speaker 3: Not the dorks of the week.
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  Speaker 1: It was the Marlins that Alana selected as the dorks
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  Speaker 1: of the week. And I would say, in general, as
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  Speaker 1: you stand there with your arms crossed, reasonable men can
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  Speaker 1: disagree about baseball strategy, and that's all.
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  Speaker 3: This is where reasonable men were disagreeing.
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  Speaker 4: I would agree, and I think the only person that
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  Speaker 4: really should be arguing about infield in there is the
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  Speaker 4: third basement in shortstop thinking, oh my gosh, Pete A
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  Speaker 4: Lonzo is way closer to me. But I agree with
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  Speaker 4: the situation that what McCullough did, what Clayton McCullough did, because,
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  Speaker 4: and we talked about on the show, you have a
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  Speaker 4: tough time scoring runs. You're down by one run, and
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  Speaker 4: obviously if the infield was back, they still wouldn't have
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  Speaker 4: caught that one hop rocket off the left centerfield wall.
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  Speaker 4: So you're looking for that out at the plate to
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: be able to keep the game close for an offense
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: that doesn't do too much. So that's that was my situation.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I've got no problem with that rational and it's flip
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a coin in some degree with that. But what about
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: the center fielder?
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Hello, what do we do?
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I left? I left that out my ball.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And throw out the guy at home.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, no, that was not that was
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: not good. The center fielder, they have their cards and
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: they pull the card out and they go, really, is
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: this the same Pee Alonzo like, he just hit the ball.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: He just one handed the ball out to right field,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: which Gary Cohen had said last week, these balls look
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: juice if peed Alonzo's hitting that ball. So maybe maybe
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: that I can one hundred percent agree the center fielder.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: He might have just been lost, but that's okay. Centerfielder
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: don't know where they're going all the time.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Todd, you're you're the last one of this argument this week.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I would have had the middle and field back.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I would have. There's been four of his
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: twelve ground balls with runners on first and second or
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: first first and second double play opportunities. He is only
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: grounded into one double play in that situation, he's beaten
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: out the other three.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: I would had corners up kind of halfway and middle
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: back for sure.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good with you, Ken.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Good stuff. Discussion.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: That is a good discussion. I like that's a baseball
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: That's a good baseball debate right there. That's why I'm
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: glad they brought it up on the broadcast. That's a
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: good stuff, especially early in the season like this, when
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know the games matter, but we want to get
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: into the intricacies. Anyway, Ken, have a great weekend. Where
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: are you this weekend?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: By the way, no game for me this weekend.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I'm off there you go, enjoy a real weekend for Ken,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Part time. Ken, have a good weekend.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Enjoy see it Fair Territory. Of course Monday next week
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and Thursday, you'll have a very fresh can I love
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: that so fresh? AJ is really at his freshest when
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: he has an off week from he can't work his games. No, no,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you'll s Gale get the same from Ken. He's really
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: bringing it on Monday and then of course on Thursday
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: as well with Alana Rizzo. That show is live on
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the Fair Territory Live feed on the Foul Territory YouTube channel.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: AJ.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It is time for people to get some new clubs,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and to do that, they need to go to their
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• 18:30
  Speaker 8: No doubt. I was there today. I've been there before.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: Last time I was there, they gave me this killer gap.
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: I you look at that sweet spot, Scott, it is
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: worn out. That is right in the sweet spot right there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: So I went and got it. New clubs today, new irons.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: But more importantly, I got this bad boy. I got
• 18:43
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• 18:44
  Speaker 7: It's on order.
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: Yes, that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter. Now I'm
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: going to the Allen putter. They talked me into it
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: because I was draining some putts today. Bob, the guy
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: who helped me out, he helped me with my irons.
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: He got them teed up perfectly. But then we went
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: to the putting green. I was draining them putts because
• 18:59
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• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Arena club conversation. I really like this question, and I
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  Speaker 2: want to give immediate props to Daniel Murphy, who I
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  Speaker 2: called a game with the other day and who has
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: come up with this question and asks almost every baseball
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: fan who will finish with more career innings pitched? One
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: has already finished, obviously, the late great Babe Ruth He's
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: in the twelve hundred range, and Shoho Tani's in the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: four hundred range. Who will have more innings pitched?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: It's not even close. I don't think it'll be close
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: to either, fab Fabor, George.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: George Heurman, Georgie Herm. I don't.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: I mean the guy he's not pitching until the second
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: half of the year.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I mean thirty.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: He's thirty.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But let's say he pitches six more seasons.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: That's what that's what you think, six with internal bracing,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Tommy John whatever, second surgery, six more seasons. You don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: how many innings he's averaged in one hundred and sixty
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: two game season, like his his average, and he's never hit.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: This seventy eight. No, I mean in one hundred and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: sixty two game season per how many innings?
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Says average one ninety one hundred ninety innings. Now that's
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: an average for one hundred and sixty two. Never doing
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: that again, he's never he's never reached that. Yeah, I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: saying if he pitched healthy his thirty two starts, that's
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: what he would get out to. He's never made thirty
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: two starts twenty three, twenty three, twenty eight, so he's
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: always going to be under twenty eight. Now he's with
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers of nineteen first, you know, number one starters.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: They don't need to push him.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want him doing that. And it's a good thing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It's a compliment. Hey, dude, we want you for the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: good stuff. We don't need a first half of fifteen
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: starts out of you.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Right, Let's say they get one hundred and thirty innings
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: out of every year for six years, it's only seven
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: hundred and eighty innings. He's short, he's well short.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ruth was.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: If you look up Babe Bruce pitching, it was like
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: he like had like a dare when he was thirty eight.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: They go, you won't pitch again, he's like, all right,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: one start nine innings hot dog again, Yeah, hot Dog
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: probably a dinger. So those numbers will be cool once
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: show hey gets to like thirty eight. Oh wow, baby,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Bruce started when he was thirty eight through a complete
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: game or through nine innings out and know if it
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: was a complete game. But you sit there and you go,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: this is not it's just not gonna be close. One,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: it's a different era. Two, his value as a hitter,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: if it even like ticks down a little bit because
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: he's pitching. They're gonna be like, say, you don't want
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: to how about making him like a reliever. Can't take
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: him in and out of the game. The schematic or
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the the the like actual fat like whatever's gonna happen
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: with a lineup? Yeah, you bring him in, he's dhing.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: You take him out, then your.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Then your picture's got to hit whatever it is.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Well, you lose. Who cares if the pitcher has to hit,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: but you lose.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess you're right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Twelve twenty one and a third for babe. There's the
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: kaboom card, by the way, twelve twenty one and a
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: third for him, and that's on Arena Club Shoeo. Tani's
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: at four eighty one and two thirds.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: See he doesn't get injured.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I think he'll get close, but I don't think he's
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: gonna overtake.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: For me six seasons. Let's say there's six more seasons
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of pitching. I'm going on an average, we're gonna get
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: about one hundred innings, So that's six hundred innings, So
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that gets him to a little over one thousand. Like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it's not crazy that he could do the only thing.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: He's gonna get one hundred innes No, about one hundred
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: like this year, for example, Is he gonna get to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: one hundred innings this year?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I don't see that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Think about this for the next five years. The Dodgers
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: are gonna be really good. Right, we're pretty confident in that. Okay,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: so there, they got to get through the regular season,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: but they're probably gonna make the playoffs. Can you make
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a case that they're mostly gonna have him geared up
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: on a year by year basis for the second half
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of the year, Like, do you think it's worth a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: full season of Otani pitching next year, for example? Or
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: do you think that is too much wear and tear?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And we have no modern evidence of how to play
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: this out.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows. Only Shohey knows what he feels in the
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: seventh inning of a game when he hits a triple
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: that he's starting, and he has he has been through
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: two injuries now to arm surgeries. He has to know, Okay,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: well this is really wearing on me this way, so
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: maybe we're gonna have an issue. Is it possible that
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: they want him to start all year? The only reason
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: they would is because if they shut him down part
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: way through a year, or they start him slow, he
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: could be like, man, I just never got up to
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: feeling one hundred percent, so it could be like he
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: could he could be a start eight days off start.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: It's really all about I don't see him ever throwing
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: getting thirty starts. I would even say I don't ever
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: see him getting over twenty five starts in the regular season,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: maybe twenty with five postseason starts.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so twenty times five is one hundred.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He did go. He did go deeper into games sometimes. Yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: that's why that's why I came up with my one
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: hundred and thirty. I had about twenty to twenty two starts,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: six innings apiece. I'm right about one hundred and thirty.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: He's still short. He's still short, and that's okay to me.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: The Dodgers paid seventy million a year.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: For him deferred deferred.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: They also but they also have to for the entire
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: ten years of his contract or six years if he's
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: pitching for six years, they have to figure out another
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: piece of their rotation because he can't throw every five days.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: So it's not like they have to spend some more
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: money and they're gonna do that that whole time. They're
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: gonna always have to figure out even with Yamamoto in
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: there and now Sasaki and there, guys that just don't
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: pitch every five days. They're just completely geared to pitching
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: every six to seven days or six man rotation with
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Hey using that off day now it becomes like a
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: seven man rotation.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a once a week guy. Otani. That's what
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: all of them do.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I think all of them will be, And that's okay
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: because they're built that way.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's funny, what if Otani wasn't on
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers and it was a team that's got to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: win at the margins. It would make things very interesting,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and you'd get angry baseball fans or at least of
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that team, being like, we need to pitch him more.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Why are we slow playing this. I'm saying, he's fortunate
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that he's on a team that during the regular season
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: does him to make that many starts right away with
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of things.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, sure, I'm trying to think who would be on
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Would tons of teams fit that mold the cub but
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: actually Mariners that would have gone after him. The blue
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Jays went after him on the flight. But I'm saying,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: if he was on the Blue Jays right now, have.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: More endless cash than you would think. I understand his
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: high in the league.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Let's just pretend he's on the blue Jays right now.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: This is a different storyline, not just this year. I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: saying over the next several years, because they're like, we're good,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: but we're not auto playoff good, and that makes it
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: tougher to manage him and his innings. You have to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: go off what he wants. But he wants to do everything.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: He wants to play, he wants to pitch whatever. They're
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: trying to work with him on making sure that he's
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: going to be ready for October to be able to
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: do both, because that's where he's most fat. But he
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: could be a one and he could be the best
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: are in the sport. So nobody deal sorry about it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Let's run aj Prazinski's we'll clip on this too.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: One two hundred and twenty one and a third.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: No chance he's getting there, No chance.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: For eighty one and two thirds.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Noe, fay, Ruth.
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: You think he's gonna be eight hundred more innings.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: In eight years, you know, And I'm gonna go into more.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: I'm going, Ruth, not close.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I think, I don't I don't know. I know he's
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: supposed to pitch again.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: He's gonna pick.
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: I just don't know how much he's gonna pitch him.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: They're gonna baby him. So he's gonna miss most of
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: this year going to next year. If anything pops up,
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: they're gonna be like, just hit just hit fifty and
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: still fifty will be good.
• 27:37
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• 27:39
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