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Saga Book Club #14 - Y: The Last Man, pt. One · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody! Welcome back to 22 Panels and the Saga Book Club, except that we ran out of Saga, and we're waiting for more Saga, so we're doing some more Brian K. Vaughan. Last month was Spectators, this month we're introducing Marisol.
• 0:18
  Tad Eggleston: to why the last man? Because I somehow never sold it to her before, which I feel really bad about, because I really should have a long, long, long time ago.
• 0:31
  Marisol: Honestly.
• 0:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, is it… is it as up your alley as… as… as I…
• 0:38
  Tad Eggleston: Think it should be, and therefore.
• 0:41
  Tad Eggleston: Shame on me for not putting it into your hands a decade ago, during a Saga hiatus.
• 0:49
  Matt: The first Saga hiatus?
• 0:52
  Tad Eggleston: He meant, like, month hiatuses.
• 0:58
  Marisol: The baby hiatus.
• 1:00
  Tad Eggleston: if I… Like, one of my favorite stories that I have ever…
• 1:07
  Tad Eggleston: heard on 22 panels, and therefore one that I repeat somewhat regularly. I need to start with here.
• 1:14
  Tad Eggleston: Because when… when we talked to Paul Levitz for the first time, he talked about this book.
• 1:21
  Tad Eggleston: And… What he said was, Karen and Heidi came and they pitched it to him, and he said, no.
• 1:30
  Tad Eggleston: No. What do you do after the first issue? It's like…
• 1:35
  Tad Eggleston: Teenage male pornographic fantasy, where does it go? No!
• 1:40
  Matt: He's not wrong.
• 1:43
  Tad Eggleston: And… and Karen and Heidi came back to him, and they're like, Brian's got 60 issues planned out, and this and this, and by the way, this was bullshit. Brian had pitched them this bullshit, but he did not have 60 issues at the time. He had a concept and a dream.
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: But they went in, these issues planned out, and blah blah blah, and still, he was like, no!
• 2:11
  Tad Eggleston: And finally, Karen, apparently, is like, Paul, do you trust me? It's like, well, yeah? And she's like, then make the goddamn book!
• 2:24
  Marisol: And now we're here.
• 2:26
  Tad Eggleston: And it lasted 60 issues, and it was amazing, and apparently, at… for the 60th issue.
• 2:34
  Tad Eggleston: Heidi had moved on, but they invited her back for lunch.
• 2:37
  Tad Eggleston: and… and Paul, Paul brought in a cake.
• 2:41
  Tad Eggleston: In the shape of a crow.
• 2:46
  Tad Eggleston: It's his mea culpa to Karen and Heidi.
• 2:54
  Tad Eggleston: To say, yep, okay.
• 3:00
  Tad Eggleston: So, why the last man?
• 3:04
  Marisol: Yes.
• 3:05
  Tad Eggleston: I don't even know.
• 3:06
  Matt: are telling.
• 3:08
  Tad Eggleston: Both… I have…
• 3:09
  Marisol: So many questions about this.
• 3:12
  Marisol: Just after reading the first volume.
• 3:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I… I know that I'm gonna wind up finishing my reread, because, like, the first volume sucked me in enough that it's like, no, now I can't…
• 3:24
  Tad Eggleston: I have to re-read it all again.
• 3:26
  Matt: Yorick's an idiot.
• 3:29
  Tad Eggleston: He is and he isn't.
• 3:30
  Josh Eiserike: That's intentional.
• 3:32
  Matt: Right. I believe it.
• 3:33
  Tad Eggleston: He is and he isn't.
• 3:36
  Tad Eggleston: Dearing.
• 3:38
  Josh Eiserike: I will say that, I heard, Brian K. Vaughan say that he pitched this, to go back to that story, he pitched this as, the last boy on Earth becomes the last man on Earth. So it's, it's… he does read, and, and I mean, we can get into this later.
• 3:54
  Josh Eiserike: I haven't read this probably since the series wrapped.
• 3:58
  Josh Eiserike: So it's been a while for me.
• 4:00
  Josh Eiserike: And it was interesting, my perspective, all these years later. I still, spoiler alert, absolutely love this book.
• 4:08
  Josh Eiserike: But York did seem like a little kid, whereas when I was originally reading it, I was probably, if not the age of the character, then a little bit younger. And was totally like, oh yeah, York, he's great, he's cool, and now I'm just like, you're an idiot.
• 4:25
  Tad Eggleston: But a charming idiot, and a well-intentioned idiot, and, like, the type of idiot that I wish more people were.
• 4:34
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 4:36
  Tad Eggleston: You know?
• 4:39
  Lee Woods: In what ways?
• 4:42
  Tad Eggleston: In what way?
• 4:43
  Lee Woods: I love one immediacy.
• 4:45
  Matt: What, you want more Pollyannish people around?
• 4:48
  Tad Eggleston: The stupid things he does are always to be… helpful.
• 4:55
  Matt: You, you know…
• 4:56
  Tad Eggleston: Sometimes completely misguided.
• 4:58
  Matt: I agree.
• 5:00
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, he's never stupid for thrills, and he's never stupid for his own selfish purposes.
• 5:07
  Tad Eggleston: Like, all of the most stupid things he does is when he gets it into his head to go…
• 5:16
  Tad Eggleston: Be the hero.
• 5:18
  Tad Eggleston: Or at least… not leave…
• 5:21
  Tad Eggleston: people behind, you know? I mean, like, when he climbs up on top of the train, when… when… when…
• 5:32
  Tad Eggleston: 355 is fighting with the…
• 5:36
  Tad Eggleston: the Russian, and it's like, dude, if anybody's got it, it's 3.55. What the fuck are you doing? But it doesn't matter to him. He saw her legs swing off the side, he's worried about her.
• 5:54
  Tad Eggleston: And he just… he's the guy that runs back into the fire.
• 5:59
  Tad Eggleston: you know…
• 6:02
  Lee Woods: So being well-intentioned is important.
• 6:04
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, like I said…
• 6:06
  Matt: The pathway to hell is paved with it.
• 6:09
  Josh Eiserike: Well, you've read the whole series, I…
• 6:12
  Matt: Oh, yeah.
• 6:13
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 6:14
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, so there you go.
• 6:16
  Marisol: Does this except me.
• 6:17
  Tad Eggleston: 8.
• 6:18
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know, Lee, have you read it all?
• 6:21
  Lee Woods: I did read the whole series, yes.
• 6:23
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 6:24
  Marisol: Okay.
• 6:25
  Tad Eggleston: series since the last time we talked.
• 6:28
  Lee Woods: I did, so I…
• 6:30
  Tad Eggleston: I can't lie.
• 6:31
  Marisol: Well, BAM!
• 6:32
  Lee Woods: I…
• 6:33
  Marisol: Mr. Overachiever over here.
• 6:35
  Lee Woods: I am no such thing. Well…
• 6:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's hard to stop with this one.
• 6:40
  Lee Woods: So I did have… I'll tell you this story. Here's my… my Trials and tribulations, Marisol, is that I had the first volume, I read it several years ago.
• 6:48
  Lee Woods: Fell in love with it. I'm like, okay, this is amazing, I need to…
• 6:53
  Lee Woods: Get the rest of it, and…
• 6:55
  Lee Woods: I never did, and up until maybe this past year, I found an omnibus with all 60 issues.
• 7:04
  Marisol: Nice.
• 7:05
  Lee Woods: It just… happenstance, I was able to get it. It's like, okay, great. And then I've just been waiting, waiting, I'm like, man, it's a really big book, I need to… and I'm a slow reader.
• 7:16
  Tad Eggleston: Did you take it with to New Orleans?
• 7:18
  Lee Woods: On that 16-hour drive, I took it, and I.
• 7:22
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's right, you guys drove down!
• 7:25
  Lee Woods: We did…
• 7:25
  Marisol: God.
• 7:27
  Lee Woods: And I crushed about 3 quarters of it on the way there, and I finished it while I was still in New Orleans, and then on the way back, I'm like, okay.
• 7:36
  Lee Woods: I got this, so… I have my thoughts, I have a thought.
• 7:39
  Marisol: But that.
• 7:40
  Lee Woods: It was years, I'm like, I need to read this, and I finally did, so…
• 7:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah?
• 7:45
  Josh Eiserike: I am… I'm very… I'm very inspired now to do the whole series reread.
• 7:50
  Josh Eiserike: It was such a different… I… again, I…
• 7:53
  Tad Eggleston: I think, your daughter's penalty for not showing up on time, and certainly if she doesn't show up at all, is we're gonna push off red-handed again, because we need to do more Y.
• 8:05
  Matt: Absolutely.
• 8:07
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry.
• 8:08
  Josh Eiserike: So down for that.
• 8:08
  Matt: We'll tell her that right now.
• 8:10
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we will get to red-handed.
• 8:13
  Lee Woods: It's such a… such a picture move.
• 8:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I tried to take her out to get red-handed signed by Matt Kent, and she was busy helping her roommate move in, or some shit like that.
• 8:26
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't see her roommate there when she was moving in.
• 8:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I… like, this is probably the… this is the beginning of, I think, my fourth read of this, and I forget every time just how fucking good it is.
• 8:44
  Matt: Nope.
• 8:46
  Tad Eggleston: button.
• 8:48
  Josh Eiserike: One of the things that struck me was…
• 8:51
  Josh Eiserike: I think he's become a better writer since. Oh, yeah.
• 8:55
  Matt: Oh, for sure. Nope.
• 8:56
  Josh Eiserike: Moment…
• 8:57
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that's part of the reason that I forget, is that it's still not Saga.
• 9:02
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 9:02
  Josh Eiserike: like, I'm looking at, what is it, the cliffhanger to the second issue.
• 9:08
  Josh Eiserike: And it's… it's when he's with
• 9:10
  Josh Eiserike: his mom in the White House, and somebody, like, I guess, throws in a bomb or something, and he's like, what is that? Is it the Amazon? She goes, it's worse, it's much, much worse. And then the issue just ends, and it's like, well, I don't care, like, what are the stakes?
• 9:27
  Tad Eggleston: No, yeah, the much, much worse, it's the Republicans.
• 9:31
  Matt: Americans, yeah.
• 9:33
  Josh Eiserike: Should've been on that tape.
• 9:35
  Tad Eggleston: Rather…
• 9:36
  Matt: Yeah, you're so right.
• 9:37
  Tad Eggleston: rather than not until page… Three of the next book.
• 9:43
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, and I was like, wow!
• 9:45
  Josh Eiserike: I… I… I don't know how…
• 9:48
  Josh Eiserike: this happened in Issue 2. And look, this is… this is a nitpicky thing, but it's like, he's so good at cliffhangers.
• 9:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 9:55
  Josh Eiserike: And now, going back and looking at some of his early ones, I'm like, I wonder if he would have changed that.
• 10:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I hope he would have, because I think that the punchline.
• 10:06
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 10:06
  Tad Eggleston: Like, it doesn't give away enough of what's coming.
• 10:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. For it not to still be a great cliffhanger, but…
• 10:14
  Josh Eiserike: If I just see these, like, older women.
• 10:16
  Tad Eggleston: We don't know anything worse than the Amazons, and… and, like…
• 10:22
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, what does it mean if it just says it's much, much worse?
• 10:27
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, doesn't mean anything.
• 10:28
  Marisol: And yeah, maybe it is a little bit nitpicky, but you're not wrong, because if they ended on the panel with all the women in front of the truck holding their guns, with just the word bubble that said Republicans, that would have been phenomenal.
• 10:47
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 10:47
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, even if it doesn't end on that panel, even if it just adds one more word balloon.
• 10:53
  Tad Eggleston: to this page.
• 10:56
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, I'm with Marisol on this, because.
• 10:58
  Tad Eggleston: I agree with you. I think that that's the better panel to end on. But… but…
• 11:07
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 11:08
  Tad Eggleston: But I don't think you have to go that far to be better than what's here. Correct. This is what I'm saying.
• 11:13
  Josh Eiserike: Correct.
• 11:14
  Tad Eggleston: you know. Cause sometimes it's harder to get that extra page in, or…
• 11:19
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they'd have to rework this entire page to be able to end that way. And I'm not saying that I don't think they could.
• 11:26
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 11:27
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah. Now, reading it in the trade, it's like, whatever, but I remember…
• 11:34
  Tad Eggleston: Waiting a month.
• 11:35
  Josh Eiserike: I bought the first 3 trades, and I was like, I love this guy's cliffhanger so much, I'm going all to the floppies now.
• 11:42
  Josh Eiserike: And, you know, I never looked back, but now I'm looking back.
• 11:52
  Lee Woods: So, I… I kind of want to pick your brain, Marisol. Like, this is your first read-through, right?
• 11:57
  Marisol: Yes.
• 11:58
  Lee Woods: I'm trying to put myself back when I read the first volume. What was your, sort of.
• 12:03
  Lee Woods: Reaction or experience reading that for the first time?
• 12:07
  Marisol: My initial thought was mostly that… York is a fucking idiot.
• 12:17
  Marisol: As lovable and well-meaning as he may be, he is an idiot.
• 12:23
  Marisol: And some of the things he says are just obnoxious to me, and like, it made me think what I was reading, like.
• 12:30
  Marisol: Someone, an adult, please, just give him a little smack upside the head, tell him to shut up and sit down for 5 minutes, and use his critical thinking skills before rushing…
• 12:42
  Matt: Talking!
• 12:43
  Marisol: danger.
• 12:45
  Matt: Yep.
• 12:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, that does become a recurring theme with 355 and various.
• 12:52
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 12:52
  Tad Eggleston: It's like, okay.
• 12:54
  Marisol: Not I've noticed.
• 12:57
  Tad Eggleston: You are a child.
• 12:58
  Marisol: that you know nothing.
• 13:00
  Tad Eggleston: Sometimes I think that they're about ready to just give them a slinky. Here you go, York! Yep.
• 13:06
  Matt: Here, play with it.
• 13:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's too bad that they didn't bring his straitjacket with him. They could just tie him up and…
• 13:14
  Tad Eggleston: Say, okay, by the time you're done, we'll be ready to move on.
• 13:20
  Marisol: Yep, just stick them in a corner somewhere.
• 13:23
  Marisol: And the other thing that really stuck out with me, too, is…
• 13:30
  Marisol: 355, and whatever group that she's involved with.
• 13:36
  Marisol: Because she is just bouncing all around the globe, picked up that one lady who's now the president.
• 13:42
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 13:43
  Marisol: And is now his glorified babysitter.
• 13:47
  Marisol: to get him to Dr. Mann.
• 13:51
  Marisol: To figure out, why the hell did you survive when…
• 13:53
  Tad Eggleston: I went to San Francisco.
• 13:55
  Matt: Did anyone else find the Doctor being Dr. Mann.
• 13:59
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 14:01
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, she chose it.
• 14:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yay.
• 14:06
  Marisol: That was…
• 14:06
  Tad Eggleston: I do think… I don't know if I love how often he does… the…
• 14:15
  Tad Eggleston: Seems to lean awfully hard, also, on the… the… like… foreshadow page?
• 14:24
  Tad Eggleston: You know, where that first page or two is, like, Washington, D.C. now, and then you go back one hour ago.
• 14:35
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 14:37
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, that can work sometimes, but I feel like he was using it a lot.
• 14:42
  Lee Woods: Yeah, I… I appreciate that.
• 14:45
  Matt: Didn't bother me, though.
• 14:47
  Josh Eiserike: I like it.
• 14:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, okay.
• 14:49
  Lee Woods: My… so my thing is, and this goes for not just, comic books, but even, like, movies, I hate flashback scenes. I get so lost. I'm like, is this now? Is it in the past? So I have to have those big signs that say.
• 15:05
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, I love the signs. Okay. What I'm saying is, like, 3 issues in a row.
• 15:14
  Tad Eggleston: The first couple of pages take place After the next 10 pages.
• 15:23
  Lee Woods: Oh, I follow, yeah, okay.
• 15:25
  Tad Eggleston: And, and… I…
• 15:30
  Tad Eggleston: when it reaches a point where I notice that you're doing it, I feel like you might be doing it too often.
• 15:37
  Matt: It's like…
• 15:37
  Marisol: I can…
• 15:38
  Matt: Deadpool. Deadpool would be, like, lazy writing.
• 15:41
  Lee Woods: Good.
• 15:41
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 15:44
  Lee Woods: You're saving ink.
• 15:50
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 15:51
  Marisol: Man.
• 15:52
  Tad Eggleston: But on the flip side, like, those are nitpicky complaints, particularly because who knows, maybe there's a rhythm of it eventually that I like it again.
• 16:02
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because he definitely writes…
• 16:05
  Tad Eggleston: Formulaic books, but, but, like, his own formula.
• 16:11
  Josh Eiserike: When does that?
• 16:11
  Marisol: It came out again?
• 16:12
  Josh Eiserike: It started in, I think, 2002, like…
• 16:16
  Marisol: That tracks.
• 16:17
  Josh Eiserike: reading it again, like, this… this very much feels like, oh, this is a post-9-11 book. Like, that's what it.
• 16:24
  Marisol: It's real.
• 16:24
  Josh Eiserike: about.
• 16:25
  Josh Eiserike: And I feel it more now than I did then, like.
• 16:29
  Tad Eggleston: 2002 through 2008.
• 16:32
  Marisol: Yeah. Hmm.
• 16:34
  Josh Eiserike: Oh.
• 16:34
  Marisol: My thing mostly stuck out with me, some of the language, a little dated. I'm like, hmm. And I didn't look it up, and I didn't pay attention to the beginning
• 16:43
  Marisol: I guess… credits page of the volume. I wonder when this came out.
• 16:49
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 16:51
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, no.
• 16:51
  Marisol: That's like that.
• 16:53
  Josh Eiserike: I had that experience, too, where I was like, oh, I don't think he… I don't think he would write that in 2026, but okay.
• 16:57
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, see…
• 16:58
  Marisol: I didn't hear anymore.
• 17:00
  Tad Eggleston: There is something that I did not realize. For whatever reason, in my head.
• 17:06
  Tad Eggleston: Ex Machina was before Why the Last Man, and in fact, it started 2 years after, ended 2 years after.
• 17:13
  Josh Eiserike: Correct. Which is even more…
• 17:15
  Tad Eggleston: Which…
• 17:16
  Josh Eiserike: about 9-11.
• 17:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right, but that also means that for 4 years, he was doing something that he doesn't love doing, which was writing two ongoing at the same time.
• 17:27
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 17:31
  Josh Eiserike: And… and I think he was on Runaways during that, too.
• 17:34
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like he was, yeah.
• 17:40
  Lee Woods: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Josh Eiserike: before Hollywood came calling.
• 17:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Always…
• 17:48
  Lee Woods: Yeah, what you said, Marisol, but also something you said earlier, Josh, that really resonated with me, is that he's such an idiot.
• 17:56
  Lee Woods: But I'm also recalling the last, like, the first time I read it, I'm like.
• 18:01
  Lee Woods: I had been fun with that, especially the hopeless romantic type.
• 18:06
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 18:07
  Lee Woods: This guy wants to go, I guess spoilers for those that haven't read it yet, is, he wants to go to Australia, because he…
• 18:14
  Tad Eggleston: He has every woman in the world at his fingertips, or at least all the non-Amazon, non-already-lesbian ones.
• 18:24
  Lee Woods: Mmm, m.
• 18:24
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
• 18:25
  Tad Eggleston: And he wants to go around the world to connect with the…
• 18:33
  Tad Eggleston: Girlfriend who wanted to tell him something before the… The phone started having trouble.
• 18:43
  Lee Woods: Beyonce.
• 18:44
  Lee Woods: She said.
• 18:45
  Tad Eggleston: Well, maybe.
• 18:47
  Marisol: Supposed fiance.
• 18:49
  Tad Eggleston: Even he's starting to acknowledge he didn't really hear her say yes, and remember, as he was getting ready to ask her, she's like, York, I need to tell you something. No, I need to tell you something!
• 19:03
  Marisol: How old is he supposed to be again?
• 19:05
  Marisol: I think, like, early 20s?
• 19:07
  Josh Eiserike: Early 20s.
• 19:08
  Tad Eggleston: Early mid-20s, I think.
• 19:10
  Lee Woods: Man-child. Definitely a man-child.
• 19:12
  Marisol: Yes.
• 19:13
  Josh Eiserike: I also think that's why this works, is because.
• 19:16
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, totally.
• 19:17
  Josh Eiserike: If he wasn't that character, then it just becomes the masturbatory fantasy, and to Paul Levitz's point, like, I'm not really interested in that either.
• 19:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 19:27
  Matt: Yeah, if it was that, it wouldn't have gone for 60 issues. No.
• 19:32
  Matt: It would have gone for 69 issues.
• 19:35
  Marisol: Nice.
• 19:37
  Matt: I'll be here all week.
• 19:42
  Lee Woods: Yeah, that was a facepalm… facepalm for me.
• 19:44
  Marisol: Well…
• 19:44
  Matt: Like, it'll take you out.
• 19:46
  Tad Eggleston: Josh, by the way, I love your shirt.
• 19:49
  Josh Eiserike: Thank you.
• 19:49
  Tad Eggleston: hearing Ben Stein in my head, Adamson… Adler… Anderson.
• 19:57
  Tad Eggleston: Do you know…
• 19:58
  Josh Eiserike: man-children, Ferris Bueller.
• 20:00
  Tad Eggleston: as an aside.
• 20:00
  Josh Eiserike: I was… I was at the airport a couple, last month, and a woman pulls, older woman pulls me aside. I was wearing the shirt. Oh, I love your shirt. I was in the movie. I was one of the dancers.
• 20:11
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 20:12
  Josh Eiserike: That's the greatest thing in the world.
• 20:14
  Tad Eggleston: At one of the Cubs games I went to this year, there was a family dressed up… as…
• 20:21
  Josh Eiserike: Nice.
• 20:22
  Tad Eggleston: Cameron, Ferris, and… and Sloan.
• 20:26
  Tad Eggleston: What was really great is it was the 4-year-old dressed as Ferrish.
• 20:33
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, dead on.
• 20:35
  Matt: Morning.
• 20:37
  Josh Eiserike: that'.
• 20:37
  Tad Eggleston: Sweater vest and everything.
• 20:38
  Marisol: everything.
• 20:39
  Tad Eggleston: Just totally rockin' it.
• 20:42
  Josh Eiserike: Sort of changing subjects back to why, I'm real curious, everybody, did anybody watch the television show?
• 20:50
  Tad Eggleston: I watched, like, the first episode, and it didn't… There was a television show? There was. FX did a.
• 20:57
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Tad Eggleston: And it didn't… didn't do well enough to actually get finished.
• 21:03
  Josh Eiserike: I actually watched it once it was canceled.
• 21:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Josh Eiserike: I heard it was… not great.
• 21:11
  Josh Eiserike: I think I had a friend who worked on it, I don't remember, but I'm also, like, like, TV, like, these long-running series are such a commitment, so sometimes I'll wait till it's done, so I'm not waiting, like, 5 years between seasons.
• 21:26
  Josh Eiserike: And then it was canceled. I'm like, okay, I'll check it out, and like, you know, I thought the casting was really good, but I thought it just kind of lacked, and this is where I think the book really works, is it has a lot… the book has a lot of humor and a lot of heart, whereas I felt the show was just kind of like generic post-apocalypse, with.
• 21:44
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, again, I really only watched, like, the first episode, but it was just… So…
• 21:51
  Tad Eggleston: It was too serious.
• 21:53
  Josh Eiserike: Yes, it's very strange.
• 21:54
  Tad Eggleston: Best way to put it. It was just too serious.
• 21:56
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 21:58
  Lee Woods: Dude, this came out in 2021?
• 22:00
  Tad Eggleston: Ma'am.
• 22:01
  Lee Woods: Wow.
• 22:01
  Marisol: Wow.
• 22:07
  Lee Woods: Sorry, I knew there was a TV show, but I thought this was, like.
• 22:11
  Lee Woods: It's only 5 years ago, that's wild.
• 22:14
  Josh Eiserike: Tad at some point, Netflix takes another stab.
• 22:18
  Tad Eggleston: Wouldn't shock me. Though, I mean…
• 22:21
  Tad Eggleston: and I know some behind-the-scenes stuff on this, like, the fact that Paper Girls wound up being flat, too, makes me wonder how long it'll be before somebody feels like they can actually capture a Vaughn comic.
• 22:39
  Josh Eiserike: I can't say too much on the air, but there was some behind-the-scenes stuff on.
• 22:45
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, no, no, no. I just said that. I know that there was some behind-the-scenes stuff on Paper Girls. I also am privy to some of the.
• 22:55
  Josh Eiserike: Got it. We can, we can, we can discuss offline, because we probably know the same thing.
• 23:00
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 23:02
  Tad Eggleston: But… But still, like, like… I, I wonder how quick
• 23:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I still think that if… if…
• 23:13
  Tad Eggleston: another Vaughn series is made into TV anytime soon, it's gonna be somebody taking a big swing at Saga. And if that works…
• 23:23
  Tad Eggleston: Then you'll see them looking at everything.
• 23:26
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, Runaways, they had trouble adapting, like… He, right?
• 23:33
  Josh Eiserike: My friend was on that show.
• 23:35
  Tad Eggleston: He writes great comics, and great comics are great comics, and as much as some people in Hollywood like to think that a great comic book is just storyboarding, it's not.
• 23:47
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 23:47
  Tad Eggleston: You know, and, like, to get the rhythm, to get the pacing, to get…
• 23:54
  Tad Eggleston: The feel of a good comic is not…
• 23:58
  Josh Eiserike: I… I predict somebody like David Robert Mitchell's gonna do Spectators, and that's gonna be the one, like, just as, like…
• 24:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 24:07
  Josh Eiserike: That'll be the one that's gonna kind of bust it open a little bit.
• 24:10
  Tad Eggleston: And honestly, in a lot of ways, I think… I think doing the graph… doing graphic novels is easier than doing…
• 24:17
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 24:18
  Tad Eggleston: comics, because I think with comics, everybody wants to split them the same way the issues were split, and that's not necessarily the smart way to go about it.
• 24:26
  Tad Eggleston: You know?
• 24:30
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you know way more about TV than I do. We could have a whole, like, like, I know enough people that write TV, too, that it'd be fun sometime to have a whole conversation about, like.
• 24:42
  Tad Eggleston: the major differences between writing comics and writing TV, and… and the pitfalls of the adaptation thereof.
• 24:52
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, for my… for my money, in general, there have been much better…
• 24:58
  Tad Eggleston: Adaptations of television properties to comics than the other way around.
• 25:04
  Tad Eggleston: You know, for every great…
• 25:11
  Tad Eggleston: television adaptation. There are 4 or 5 that just miss… something.
• 25:18
  Tad Eggleston: You know… And I still appreciate them.
• 25:22
  Tad Eggleston: Because they often bring people to comics that weren't there already.
• 25:26
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, I think of, like, Preacher. Preacher, if you hadn't read the comic.
• 25:33
  Tad Eggleston: Is a pretty good show, and if you have read the comic, you're sitting there going, you spent the entire season to get through the first issue.
• 25:41
  Tad Eggleston: You added some stuff that was unnecessary, and you didn't get them on the road.
• 25:48
  Tad Eggleston: You know… I think, I think it, it hit a better… Groove in its later seasons.
• 25:58
  Tad Eggleston: But, but it was almost like…
• 26:00
  Tad Eggleston: It felt almost like they had to do the first season the way they did it as proof of concept.
• 26:06
  Tad Eggleston: Even though…
• 26:08
  Tad Eggleston: Like, again, all of the information from the first season can be found in the first issue of the book.
• 26:17
  Tad Eggleston: And they don't get on the road, probably because it was cheaper to film in one spot than…
• 26:23
  Josh Eiserike: I… I actually think that… I… here I… other than I had a friend who was on the show.
• 26:30
  Josh Eiserike: I suspect that was likely true of Runaways, where, like, I don't think they run away until the end of the first season.
• 26:37
  Tad Eggleston: Right!
• 26:38
  Josh Eiserike: it's like, in the comic, they're gone. It's the first issue. The premise of the book. It's called Runaways.
• 26:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right!
• 26:47
  Tad Eggleston: But it also is, like, another, another…
• 26:53
  Tad Eggleston: Another huge statement about the difference in mediums, that, like.
• 26:58
  Tad Eggleston: You can spend an entire season
• 27:02
  Tad Eggleston: Because you feel like that's how much space needs to be
• 27:05
  Tad Eggleston: used to get out a certain amount of information about how the world works that they managed to do
• 27:13
  Tad Eggleston: In an issue of a comic book.
• 27:17
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 27:18
  Josh Eiserike: I mean, often, and I can't speak specific to any of these shows, but often it comes down to episode order, whatever the network mandate is, so they could be, like, you know.
• 27:30
  Josh Eiserike: We really want… Or what?
• 27:33
  Tad Eggleston: Trust me, I blame the studios way more than the writers and the directors and the whatnot, among other things.
• 27:40
  Matt: Always fuck it up.
• 27:41
  Tad Eggleston: Among other things, I think it's the executives that think that the audiences are too stupid to take too much information at once.
• 27:48
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, I feel like they spent an entire episode of the first season of Preacher
• 27:55
  Tad Eggleston: Describing how the voice came about, And that was… a page.
• 28:04
  Tad Eggleston: In the first issue.
• 28:07
  Tad Eggleston: You know, angel, demon, fucked, baby, new idea. Voice.
• 28:17
  Lee Woods: It reminds me of a, there was a panel that John Bernthal was on some number of years ago, I think it was when he was doing his, Punisher Netflix seasons.
• 28:26
  Lee Woods: And I just remember one… an audience member just… I forget the question, but it was like, what were your thoughts on, like, this comic or whatever, like, doing this in this show?
• 28:35
  Lee Woods: And John Bernthal was just like, yeah, y'all are too smart. Like, y'all know the comics, these executives, these producers, they don't, like, they're just like, what do we think?
• 28:47
  Lee Woods: people will like. Y'all actually read it. He's like, y'all are, like, too smart for this, and I… I… I get that, like, to some degree, because…
• 28:57
  Lee Woods: although I don't have a lot of experience reading comics, prior to watching these shows, like,
• 29:03
  Lee Woods: I'll say something without saying too much, is I read Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow, before I watched the movie, and it's just like, wow!
• 29:15
  Lee Woods: okay, this is what we're doing. So I kind of get this sort of, like, switch of, like.
• 29:23
  Lee Woods: Yeah, comment, to your point, Tad, is like…
• 29:26
  Lee Woods: It could be almost like a verbatim, like, panel by panel, scene by scene, and it can be a great movie or a great show.
• 29:36
  Lee Woods: I guess, for me, which I agree with you, Josh. I think spectators would be…
• 29:41
  Lee Woods: They get spectators, they got Saga in a bag, for sure.
• 29:46
  Lee Woods: But it's…
• 29:47
  Tad Eggleston: Of course, they're gonna have to convince HBO to do spectators, because nobody else will allow that level of nudity.
• 29:54
  Matt: Unless they just… The violence they'll do.
• 29:56
  Tad Eggleston: Unless…
• 29:57
  Matt: and PBS.
• 29:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right, unless they just go full on and, like, it's a hustler production.
• 30:04
  Josh Eiserike: You can… you can… Again, phenomenal.
• 30:07
  Marisol: beginning.
• 30:07
  Josh Eiserike: at…
• 30:08
  Josh Eiserike: you get a big director, or… and I keep… I just watched End of Oak Street, so I'm thinking, you know, David Robert Mitchell, if you guys haven't seen,
• 30:17
  Josh Eiserike: Under the Silver Lake, it's awesome.
• 30:21
  Josh Eiserike: like, he also did It Follows, like, I think finding the right director, you can do that as, like, a pretty hard R.
• 30:29
  Josh Eiserike: I don't know how successful… like, it probably would not be initially successful if it's, like, a limited run before opening wide. I think there could be really good word of mouth, and I sound like such a fucking executive right now.
• 30:46
  Josh Eiserike: I see you!
• 30:47
  Tad Eggleston: I've been in meetings lately, Josh.
• 30:50
  Josh Eiserike: That's all I do.
• 30:53
  Marisol: God.
• 30:55
  Josh Eiserike: No, I'm not…
• 30:56
  Tad Eggleston: Pitching stuff!
• 30:58
  Josh Eiserike: Well, to that point, I… I… because we're, you know, we're on the air right now, I'm actually chasing the rights right now to a graphic novel that I love.
• 31:09
  Josh Eiserike: really, really want to adapt for TV. And one of the initial conversations I had with my reps was…
• 31:16
  Tad Eggleston: The teen boat?
• 31:18
  Josh Eiserike: I'm not saying.
• 31:19
  Tad Eggleston: The teen that's also.
• 31:21
  Josh Eiserike: I know what Teen Boat is,
• 31:24
  Lee Woods: Does it run?
• 31:25
  Josh Eiserike: I'm not stuck.
• 31:25
  Lee Woods: haters.
• 31:27
  Marisol: It does not.
• 31:29
  Josh Eiserike: I'm, I'm, I'm happy, I'm happy.
• 31:31
  Tad Eggleston: I'm proud that you know what Teen Boat is. Of course. Lee, Marisol, Matt, have any of you read Teen Boat?
• 31:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's true.
• 31:39
  Marisol: Nobody turns in.
• 31:40
  Josh Eiserike: to a boat.
• 31:42
  Marisol: Fuck!
• 31:43
  Josh Eiserike: That's exactly what it is.
• 31:44
  Tad Eggleston: The teen that turns into a boat was actually recommended to me by Matt Rosenberg and Tyler Voss, so I had to read it. You don't talk to the guys who made four kids walk in the bank and have them recommend a book, and then not go off and read it.
• 31:59
  Tad Eggleston: He actually turns into a boat for the class party.
• 32:03
  Tad Eggleston: The class party is on him!
• 32:07
  Marisol: Oh, God, okay.
• 32:09
  Tad Eggleston: And somehow, it actually kind of works. I don't know how.
• 32:13
  Lee Woods: I, I…
• 32:14
  Tad Eggleston: at some point need to, like, take a deeper dive, because I… I was amused and didn't feel like it was as stupid as it should be.
• 32:27
  Josh Eiserike: Anyway, all I… as you said.
• 32:30
  Tad Eggleston: Are you sure it's not Teamboat Josh?
• 32:32
  Josh Eiserike: It's… it's not… I will tell you, it is not…
• 32:34
  Tad Eggleston: 14 vote.
• 32:35
  Josh Eiserike: But in doing this process, the conversation I had was movies versus television. And, you know, this is… this is a graphic novel, so beginning, middle, and end, and my thought was, I do think there's more there.
• 32:46
  Josh Eiserike: I think that, and again, you know, like, and I said… that's what I said was, in my perfect world, like, the comparable I would use is something like the Umbrella Academy, where it… I thought it did a really good job of adapting, what was that, like, a 6-issue miniseries?
• 33:02
  Tad Eggleston: Something like that.
• 33:04
  Josh Eiserike: And just, like, and I mean, I have it on my shelf behind me, but just building it out in a way that was kind of fun, but also felt true to the spirit of the book, and to bring it back to Why The Last Man, and I got us off on this tangent, I'll bring us back.
• 33:17
  Josh Eiserike: that's where I think the show ultimately did not succeed, is because it wasn't…
• 33:22
  Josh Eiserike: It was kind of the story, but it wasn't the spirit.
• 33:25
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 33:25
  Lee Woods: Interesting.
• 33:27
  Lee Woods: Yeah, okay.
• 33:29
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, and that's… that's the…
• 33:31
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's what I've been saying about…
• 33:35
  Tad Eggleston: Comic adaptations since the first time they did any good ones.
• 33:41
  Tad Eggleston: Is… is the key, is way more catching the spirit than… Than telling the story
• 33:54
  Tad Eggleston: dead on. You know, the reason the tow…
• 33:57
  Tad Eggleston: particularly the first two Tobey Maguire Spider-Mans worked. The reason the Tom Holland Spider-Mans work really well is they feel like
• 34:07
  Tad Eggleston: Spider-Man.
• 34:10
  Tad Eggleston: It feels like Peter Parker.
• 34:14
  Tad Eggleston: You know?
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: the reason why Man of Steel never worked for me, even though I understand the people who say that it's a good movie.
• 34:26
  Tad Eggleston: is that…
• 34:28
  Tad Eggleston: it doesn't feel like Superman to me, so maybe it's a good movie, but it's not a good Superman movie.
• 34:35
  Marisol: Makes sense.
• 34:36
  Tad Eggleston: Almost everybody I know who likes Man of Steel isn't really a Superman guy. Most of them aren't even really comic guys, and I get that, you know.
• 34:45
  Matt: superhero… a Superman guy, and I did like Man of Steel, so…
• 34:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right. I agree. Right.
• 34:49
  Matt: I get it.
• 34:50
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, I'm the weirdest Star Wars guy, because I…
• 34:57
  Tad Eggleston: I love The Last Jedi.
• 35:02
  Tad Eggleston: But… but I fit in with a lot of the critics, who It and Empire Strikes Back are the only two Star Wars movies from the Skywalker saga that they like at all.
• 35:13
  Tad Eggleston: You know… But, like, when you're adapting a comic, particularly
• 35:22
  Tad Eggleston: any of the longer-running ones, the real catch is, do you capture essence.
• 35:32
  Tad Eggleston: like… I mean, the example that I often use is the Affleck Daredevil.
• 35:37
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 35:40
  Tad Eggleston: What pisses me off the most is it ends in the right spot.
• 35:45
  Tad Eggleston: I felt like he finally became Matt Murdock in the last 10 minutes of the movie.
• 35:52
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 35:53
  Tad Eggleston: The hour and 10, or the hour and however many minutes before that meant we weren't getting a sequel.
• 36:01
  Tad Eggleston: So we were never gonna see him, where he got to spend an entire movie actually being Matt Murdock.
• 36:10
  Lee Woods: So then, because I am, I guess, more the inexperienced side here, and I think this would be a good question for the group, especially as we relate it back to, like, why The Last Man, especially kind of brainstorming this, like, the revamp of, like, the show or movie, is…
• 36:28
  Lee Woods: what… I guess, what, in your opinions.
• 36:32
  Lee Woods: are the best ways to capture the spirit. Is it through the writing? Is it through the art? Is it through the acting? What is it that really captures the spirit of the comic medium?
• 36:44
  Matt: Have you watched Peacemaker?
• 36:47
  Lee Woods: Yes.
• 36:48
  Matt: that captures the spirit.
• 36:55
  Matt: I don't know how James Gunn does it, but to me, that's the answer to your question.
• 37:01
  Josh Eiserike: Are you… Matt, are you saying the tone of Peacemaker, or that captures the spirit of Peacemaker for that show, for what it is?
• 37:07
  Matt: No, the spirit of peacemaker, the… the… the… interpretation of vigilante, Peacemaker, the…
• 37:17
  Matt: absurdity, yet seriousness, the… you know…
• 37:23
  Josh Eiserike: I think… I think, Lee, where I would start is…
• 37:28
  Josh Eiserike: you know, in this perfect world 10 years from now, where Netflix is calling me to do this.
• 37:33
  Josh Eiserike: My first hires in my writer's room.
• 37:36
  Josh Eiserike: Other than fans of the comic are comedy writers.
• 37:39
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 37:40
  Josh Eiserike: I'm not… and I'm not saying do this as a comedy, but it's a funny book!
• 37:45
  Matt: Yep.
• 37:45
  Josh Eiserike: Like, it has so much humor and so much heart.
• 37:49
  Tad Eggleston: Well, well, and the essence of York…
• 37:53
  Tad Eggleston: is…
• 37:54
  Josh Eiserike: The fool!
• 37:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, but he's… he's a wise fool. He's a sophomore.
• 38:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. He's the definition of a sophomore. He has wisdom.
• 38:05
  Matt: doesn't care.
• 38:06
  Tad Eggleston: He has wisdom, he… he has intelligence, he has skills, but he also is…
• 38:16
  Tad Eggleston: Idealistic to the point of naivety?
• 38:21
  Tad Eggleston: he is… desirous of a romantic good to the point of putting himself regularly in danger?
• 38:36
  Tad Eggleston: And humor is his coping mechanism.
• 38:41
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 38:42
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Tad Eggleston: So if you don't capture those things about Yorick, Nothing else will matter.
• 38:49
  Josh Eiserike: Correct.
• 38:53
  Tad Eggleston: You know.
• 38:54
  Marisol: Doesn't matter who you get to blame if you don't have that.
• 38:57
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 38:58
  Josh Eiserike: And I actually thought the actor they got to play him was pretty good.
• 39:02
  Josh Eiserike: It just was tonally, just… it was… it was not the book.
• 39:07
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, lots of people hate it when I say this, but I insist that in film, writers matter more than actors.
• 39:16
  Tad Eggleston: When you've got multiple takes, when you've got multiple angles, you need a… you need a… a adequate actor who can take direction if you have the good script.
• 39:32
  Tad Eggleston: And if you have a good actor and a good script, then you're money in the bank.
• 39:36
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, no, I mean, that's,
• 39:39
  Josh Eiserike: you're already winning. If you have a good script and a bad actor, you're in better shape than a bad script and a good actor.
• 39:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 39:48
  Marisol: Yes.
• 39:50
  Matt: So, Green Lantern with Ryan Reynolds.
• 39:55
  Marisol: Yes.
• 39:59
  Matt: I still like that movie, I don't care what anyone says.
• 40:02
  Tad Eggleston: You know, Ryan Reynolds is one of the handful of guys that has that right mixture of comedy, gravitas, and whatnot. Yup. Like, I mean, one of the reasons that I lean towards writers and directors is, again.
• 40:16
  Tad Eggleston: Bad directing, bad writing, and it's very hard to save a movie. Ryan Reynolds is on the very short list of people that somehow can.
• 40:25
  Tad Eggleston: I can't make it good!
• 40:28
  Tad Eggleston: But they can make it watchable. Yes, yes.
• 40:32
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 40:32
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 40:33
  Marisol: Sometimes that's enough.
• 40:34
  Tad Eggleston: Eaton, Ryan Reynolds… Audrey Hepburn.
• 40:40
  Tad Eggleston: The list…
• 40:41
  Matt: Jeremy?
• 40:42
  Tad Eggleston: much longer.
• 40:47
  Josh Eiserike: But also, to that point, Tad, I think Yorick…
• 40:50
  Josh Eiserike: Is a very difficult part to play.
• 40:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 40:53
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's a very difficult part to play, I think it's a very difficult part to write.
• 40:57
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 40:58
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because as… as… as Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller just discovered with… with…
• 41:05
  Tad Eggleston: Sin City, like, comic book dialogue and movie dialogue aren't always really the same.
• 41:10
  Matt: Very different animals, yeah.
• 41:12
  Tad Eggleston: Like, as good as the dialogue is in the comics, using the exact dialogue from the comics in the movies was, like, the one major mistake that they made.
• 41:23
  Matt: And yet, for 300, it worked perfectly.
• 41:27
  Tad Eggleston: Well, they didn't… they didn't keep.
• 41:28
  Matt: I don't think that…
• 41:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 41:32
  Josh Eiserike: I really liked, talking about capturing the spirit of the book, the most recent, Batman film, the Robert Pattinson one, where, like, for the first time.
• 41:42
  Josh Eiserike: in, you know, however many Batman movies there's been, we're getting Batman voiceover, which is just like reading the captions, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that totally works.
• 41:52
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and we got… But some element of a Batman detective story.
• 41:57
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 41:57
  Marisol: Yes.
• 41:59
  Tad Eggleston: The world's greatest detection.
• 42:00
  Marisol: Not even good.
• 42:01
  Tad Eggleston: got to be a detective.
• 42:02
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 42:03
  Marisol: Yeah, like, not even the Batman voiceover, we see more than just…
• 42:08
  Marisol: Batman beating up people, and him swinging away and gliding through the air with his fancy gadgets and cape and his tank of a car.
• 42:19
  Marisol: We actually see him… Like, in the field, so to speak.
• 42:24
  Marisol: Doing detective work, and then…
• 42:27
  Tad Eggleston: Now, if he only comes out as matchstick.
• 42:33
  Marisol: Matches Melonia.
• 42:34
  Tad Eggleston: That's just Malone in, in, in, in the sequel?
• 42:38
  Marisol: Oh my god.
• 42:40
  Marisol: I'm putting it matches Malone.
• 42:43
  Marisol: I, I, I might cry.
• 42:46
  Marisol: We've done it. We've achieved greatness.
• 42:52
  Marisol: Through the course of how many movies, eventually hitting all aspects of Batman.
• 43:10
  Tad Eggleston: trying to think how to bring it back to why. I think… I think…
• 43:15
  Tad Eggleston: I think on one level, while this was enough to get us all excited about why, it also wasn't enough to feel comfortable talking about why
• 43:25
  Tad Eggleston: spoilery yet.
• 43:28
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say anything. Like, knowing… knowing where the story goes, absolutely not.
• 43:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 43:35
  Marisol: There's so many questions, and I want to know.
• 43:37
  Josh Eiserike: Ask, ask, ask!
• 43:39
  Matt: And start reading!
• 43:40
  Josh Eiserike: coming lots.
• 43:42
  Marisol: What the fuck is the deal with Hiro and joining these psycho Amazons?
• 43:50
  Marisol: Oh, damn it, Lee!
• 43:52
  Tad Eggleston: But, but, I mean, like, and I haven't, I haven't…
• 43:57
  Tad Eggleston: read ahead recently, so I'm speaking without a lot of knowledge, but let's think about it. Hero…
• 44:03
  Tad Eggleston: Is definitely heterosexual.
• 44:06
  Marisol: Yes.
• 44:06
  Tad Eggleston: You know, one of the establishing character scenes for her is, like, her coworkers asking whether she slept with every firefighter in Boston.
• 44:16
  Tad Eggleston: But also, there's indication from Hiro herself, from her mom, from Yorick.
• 44:24
  Tad Eggleston: That she's actually really serious about this guy.
• 44:28
  Tad Eggleston: with.
• 44:30
  Tad Eggleston: And she just lost him.
• 44:32
  Tad Eggleston: And her dad, and her brother, and all the other men on Earth.
• 44:37
  Tad Eggleston: I think Kiro's just lost.
• 44:40
  Marisol: Which makes sense as to why she fell in with someone like Victoria.
• 44:44
  Tad Eggleston: The Amazons are willing to pick her up.
• 44:48
  Marisol: They provide, in a way, safety and comfort.
• 44:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 44:54
  Marisol: And that's how I took reading this, too, like.
• 44:55
  Tad Eggleston: And purpose.
• 44:57
  Marisol: There's that initial reaction of, are you insane? What the hell are you doing?
• 45:03
  Marisol: This is, in essence, a cult.
• 45:06
  Marisol: And then reading more…
• 45:08
  Marisol: kind of letting it sink in, like, yeah, no, she's just fucking traumatized. Yeah. She's traumatized and looking for a life raft in the middle of the ocean, and they've handed her a… a life preserver.
• 45:26
  Tad Eggleston: I… I gotta ask one quick question.
• 45:29
  Tad Eggleston: And this is… this is first for the men in the room, but then, Marisol, you get to be our bullshit detector.
• 45:35
  Marisol: Alright.
• 45:38
  Tad Eggleston: If it were flipped, And all the women in the world died.
• 45:43
  Tad Eggleston: Do you think we would handle our trauma
• 45:46
  Tad Eggleston: 1 tenth as well as these women have? Or do you think we would burn the whole fucking place down?
• 45:56
  Josh Eiserike: I mean, look at, you know, like,
• 46:00
  Josh Eiserike: just world leaders without getting political. Like, we've done a bang-up job
• 46:05
  Josh Eiserike: with women. I can't imagine it would be any…
• 46:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I imagine we'd have nuclear holocaust almost immediately, because…
• 46:16
  Matt: next day.
• 46:17
  Josh Eiserike: BP.
• 46:18
  Tad Eggleston: Because everybody would blame everybody else. So, if all of the women died, probably within the next 24 hours, all the men would be dead as well.
• 46:28
  Matt: Hmm.
• 46:28
  Tad Eggleston: Just because…
• 46:30
  Josh Eiserike: That only gets you one issue.
• 46:32
  Matt: All heterosexual male.
• 46:35
  Marisol: In short.
• 46:35
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, no, because the gay men would be caught in it, too, because nuclear bombs don't care about your sexuality.
• 46:43
  Matt: Yeah, but I think, I think they would handle it way better than the heterosexual males.
• 46:46
  Tad Eggleston: Sure, but it wouldn't matter! Right, right, right.
• 46:50
  Matt: I'm just saying, if Lindsey Graham was alive when it happened, he might be like, don't push the button!
• 46:57
  Tad Eggleston: No, he's the exception as far as gay men go.
• 47:03
  Matt: No, no, no, don't push the button.
• 47:05
  Tad Eggleston: Probably why he was never willing to come out.
• 47:08
  Matt: Yeah, exactly.
• 47:10
  Lee Woods: I…
• 47:11
  Marisol: funny.
• 47:11
  Lee Woods: I disagree.
• 47:14
  Tad Eggleston: I think we'd survive.
• 47:15
  Lee Woods: I… well, no… No, no, no!
• 47:20
  Matt: You don't agree.
• 47:21
  Tad Eggleston: THAT much!
• 47:24
  Lee Woods: I don't know if we would collapse the next day, and I'm gonna look at it a little bit more logistically, I guess, and…
• 47:34
  Lee Woods: at the risk of sounding callous, especially from my, sort of, American lens or brain.
• 47:40
  Lee Woods: Is that we're predominantly men anyway.
• 47:43
  Lee Woods: In government, in positions of power, and across many different countries and nations as well. Do I think that there's going to be speculation that other people did it? Of course. 100%, right?
• 47:55
  Lee Woods: Maybe this is the sort of hopeful idealist in me that I think we would want to investigate.
• 48:03
  Lee Woods: I don't… I don't know, and just to be clear, investigate, like, what happened to the women.
• 48:11
  Marisol: Right.
• 48:12
  Lee Woods: If they… if… We found out that there's one woman alive.
• 48:18
  Lee Woods: I don't want to think about those possibilities.
• 48:21
  Matt: I don't want to be her.
• 48:22
  Marisol: No, no one does.
• 48:24
  Tad Eggleston: Nooooo!
• 48:26
  Matt: No! That's an awful story to solve.
• 48:28
  Lee Woods: I'll leave it at that.
• 48:29
  Marisol: Yo…
• 48:30
  Lee Woods: but yeah, I…
• 48:34
  Lee Woods: Do I think we'll get much more aggressive? Absolutely. But I think we would nuke each other later.
• 48:41
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think it'd take that long.
• 48:43
  Josh Eiserike: Lee is… Lee is giving it 5 issues.
• 48:48
  Lee Woods: Oh, she's tough.
• 48:50
  Matt: issue mini-series.
• 48:51
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I, I do love the, the end of… of the… the…
• 48:59
  Tad Eggleston: First issue, the Welcome to the Unmanned World. In the summer of 2002, a plague unknown… of unknown origin destroyed every last sperm, fetus, and fully developed mammal with a Y chromosome.
• 49:11
  Tad Eggleston: With the apparent exception of one young man and his pet, a male capuchin monkey.
• 49:16
  Tad Eggleston: This gender side instantaneously exterminated 48% of the global population, or approximately 2.9 billion men. 495 of the Fortune CEO… 500 CEOs are now dead, as are 99% of the world's landowners.
• 49:33
  Tad Eggleston: In the United States alone, more than 95% of all commercial pilots, truck drivers, and ship captains died, as did 92% of all violent felons. Internationally, 99% of all mechanics, electricians, and construction workers are now deceased.
• 49:48
  Tad Eggleston: Though, 51% of the planet's agricultural labor force is still alive.
• 49:55
  Tad Eggleston: 14 nations, including Spain and Germany, have women soldiers who have served in ground combat units. None of the United States' nearly 200,000 female troops have ever participated in ground combat. Australia, Norway, and Sweden are the only countries that have women serving on board submarines. In Israel, all women between the ages of 18 and 26 have performed compulsory military service.
• 50:18
  Tad Eggleston: In the Israeli Defense Force, for at least 1 year and 9 months before the plague, at least 3 Palestinian suicide bombers had been women.
• 50:26
  Tad Eggleston: Worldwide, 85% of all government representatives are now dead, as are 100% of Catholic priests, Muslim Mamans, and Orthodox Jewish rabbis.
• 50:38
  Matt: And that's the best part of the story.
• 50:47
  Marisol: Yeah, if the script was flipped, I don't think it would take too long.
• 50:52
  Marisol: Before annihilation, honestly, and it's just me thinking of the way
• 50:58
  Marisol: the world is now, and how… mostly, I guess, for men, how you guys are taught to
• 51:07
  Marisol: Handle yourselves, and, like.
• 51:10
  Tad Eggleston: You mean hit first and ask questions later?
• 51:13
  Marisol: Yeah, and, like, take care of yourselves, or…
• 51:16
  Marisol: I just get by day to day, And…
• 51:21
  Marisol: from a lot of what I've seen, the biggest and only emotion, I guess, men are quote-unquote allowed to have is anger.
• 51:32
  Matt: It's true.
• 51:33
  Marisol: It is the only one men are allowed to have. You're not allowed to cry. You're not supposed to cry, because men don't cry.
• 51:39
  Marisol: Yeah, that's cool.
• 51:39
  Tad Eggleston: cry.
• 51:40
  Marisol: Be all in touch with your feelings, because that's for women.
• 51:44
  Josh Eiserike: Only we had a therapist on the Zoom, but yeah.
• 51:46
  Marisol: I know.
• 51:47
  Marisol: If only!
• 51:51
  Marisol: But I do think that… If… yeah, if this were flipped, it would not take very long.
• 51:59
  Marisol: Because in my mind, it would be… Not so much a… blame game, That does everybody in.
• 52:10
  Marisol: It would be a grab for power.
• 52:13
  Matt: Yep.
• 52:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 52:14
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I think…
• 52:15
  Marisol: Everyone fighting for their peace, fighting to get ahead, consequences be damned, and a very selfish way of going about, you know.
• 52:29
  Matt: down to subjugate them.
• 52:31
  Tad Eggleston: Right, I think you'd have 3 warring tendencies among the men, and very few people being loud and trying to fight against them. You'd have
• 52:41
  Tad Eggleston: One set of men who was going after power, one set of men who was going after revenge, and one set of men who believed that they had to kill all of their enemies before their enemies killed all of them.
• 52:53
  Josh Eiserike: And then the one guy who just wants to watch the world burn.
• 52:57
  Marisol: Yep.
• 52:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 52:58
  Marisol: 1.
• 52:59
  Tad Eggleston: Who might be willing to hit the first red button?
• 53:04
  Marisol: But for sure.
• 53:05
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the… probably the oldest leader who had nuclear capabilities would just say, fuck it. Yeah.
• 53:14
  Marisol: And I mean, honestly, we wouldn't have a story if we were following the last woman on Earth.
• 53:20
  Marisol: Because almost every woman I know, their end-of-the-world apocalypse plan is to take themselves out.
• 53:26
  Matt: Yep.
• 53:27
  Marisol: And be done with it.
• 53:29
  Josh Eiserike: I mean, and Marisol, use your bullshit detector on this statement, but…
• 53:34
  Josh Eiserike: It doesn't seem like there will be much humor or much heart in that kind of story.
• 53:38
  Marisol: Oh, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
• 53:42
  Marisol: given… speaking as a woman and this shit I've heard my friends, my girlfriend's experience, and have seen and experienced myself.
• 53:52
  Marisol: No, it would be a horror story.
• 53:56
  Marisol: And it would not last very long.
• 53:59
  Marisol: Because, again, we… we all…
• 54:02
  Marisol: I don't know how much, but we all see the shit that happens in the news.
• 54:06
  Marisol: The… we are at least all aware, if not experiencing directly, we know someone who has.
• 54:13
  Marisol: Experience some type of… Harassment or violence, what have you.
• 54:20
  Marisol: Particularly a woman at the hands of a man, and we've heard the most atrocious stories
• 54:27
  Marisol: Of what men do when they think no one's watching, and when they think they're alone.
• 54:33
  Marisol: It's why they don't like to hire a lot of, male coroners.
• 54:39
  Matt: That's true.
• 54:39
  Marisol: Because they don't just stop when you're living, or you're dead, or even if you're human.
• 54:46
  Marisol: Like, those guys who fucked that giant lizard that one time…
• 54:50
  Josh Eiserike: Wait, what?
• 54:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was a thing.
• 54:53
  Marisol: Yeah, you didn't hear about that?
• 54:55
  Josh Eiserike: I was like, baby.
• 54:55
  Matt: there's lizards.
• 54:56
  Marisol: Yeah, these two guys, I forget where, this was a while ago, they fucked, like, a big ol' Komodo dragon or something.
• 55:04
  Marisol: And fucked it to death.
• 55:06
  Lee Woods: I'm not googling that.
• 55:08
  Josh Eiserike: No, no.
• 55:09
  Marisol: I don't want to.
• 55:10
  Josh Eiserike: I, I am… I…
• 55:12
  Tad Eggleston: I will just trust you.
• 55:14
  Marisol: Yes.
• 55:14
  Josh Eiserike: I remembering back to my, senior year of college, I took human sexuality, and one of the things the professor said, he was great, the higher you go up on the food chain, the more common it is.
• 55:28
  Lee Woods: Yeah.
• 55:29
  Josh Eiserike: Num.
• 55:30
  Marisol: And just with… just with that, and that's what would make…
• 55:34
  Marisol: This, if Y was about The Last Woman such a horror story? There would be…
• 55:41
  Marisol: I think no way to make a situation like that light enough?
• 55:48
  Marisol: To allow for comedy.
• 55:50
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 55:51
  Marisol: This would be either… you gotta make the choice to take yourself out right here, right now.
• 55:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and your comment on.
• 55:59
  Marisol: Going into hiding and fighting for survival.
• 56:01
  Tad Eggleston: Makes me really, like, not like the vision of what they'd be doing with all the corpses.
• 56:08
  Marisol: Yeah… Yeah…
• 56:13
  Tad Eggleston: they wouldn't have their RFK crematorium.
• 56:16
  Matt: No.
• 56:16
  Marisol: No, they were not.
• 56:18
  Matt: Why burn it when we can fuck it?
• 56:21
  Marisol: Exactly.
• 56:24
  Tad Eggleston: Scientists would be looking at ways to preserve.
• 56:27
  Matt: Yeah, we were reincarnating. We were gonna have zombies.
• 56:34
  Marisol: Exactly, and that's what makes it so…
• 56:37
  Marisol: Horrible, like, why could only happen
• 56:41
  Marisol: with Yorick, with there being a last man on Earth.
• 56:47
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 56:48
  Marisol: Because here you can have an actual story.
• 56:53
  Tad Eggleston: Never really off.
• 56:54
  Marisol: woman on it.
• 56:54
  Tad Eggleston: B.
• 56:55
  Marisol: It doesn't get very far.
• 56:58
  Marisol: Okay.
• 57:00
  Tad Eggleston: No X, the last woman.
• 57:03
  Marisol: No, unfortunately not.
• 57:07
  Marisol: And I don't mean to bring down the mood or anything, though.
• 57:10
  Tad Eggleston: You guys got really weird.
• 57:11
  Matt: Maybe a one-page comic. We should do that. We should have a 22 panels, X the last woman, one-page comic. That would be hilarious.
• 57:19
  Josh Eiserike: It's one page, one…
• 57:20
  Tad Eggleston: You gotta… you gotta draw… you gotta… you gotta draw all 22 panels.
• 57:26
  Tad Eggleston: To tell the story, Matt.
• 57:28
  Matt: Yep.
• 57:28
  Tad Eggleston: And I can work on it.
• 57:30
  Matt: Yup.
• 57:31
  Marisol: 20 Panels are just the lead-up to finding out what happened. 21, full black panel. That's it.
• 57:38
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, because we gotta use the actual 22 panels, so let me pull up my 22 panels here.
• 57:48
  Tad Eggleston: Because ideally, we use them in order, which works well, because the second to last is the TV screen, or the newspaper.
• 57:58
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, like…
• 58:04
  Marisol: And then black, and then the end.
• 58:06
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no, no, see, if we wanted it to actually… yeah, you got one, that's right. If we wanted it to actually…
• 58:13
  Tad Eggleston: Actually be… be funny and… and…
• 58:17
  Tad Eggleston: And… and happy, we'd have to have, like… The last panel be… There's… there's the share button.
• 58:26
  Tad Eggleston: the newspaper is, like, end of Earth, whatever, and then the contrast panel would be, like.
• 58:34
  Tad Eggleston: The two women, or the one woman on the moon.
• 58:39
  Tad Eggleston: Because she saw what was hap… she saw the writing on the wall and got the hell out of it.
• 58:43
  Marisol: And decided to get the hell out.
• 58:47
  Tad Eggleston: It's just like, well, it's pretty up here, and I got 40 years' worth of food.
• 58:53
  Marisol: That's all I need.
• 58:56
  Marisol: Stop!
• 58:59
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, okay. I'll think on that, Matt.
• 59:04
  Tad Eggleston: X the last woman.
• 59:06
  Marisol: Jesus.
• 59:07
  Tad Eggleston: Panels story.
• 59:11
  Matt: Yeah.
• 59:11
  Marisol: Oh.
• 59:13
  Tad Eggleston: I think you could put a mushroom cloud in the 3-stage one, couldn't you?
• 59:19
  Tad Eggleston: Because it feels… actually, to be fair, it should be, like, mushroom clouds
• 59:26
  Tad Eggleston: in, like, the three in a row, the frame, the white bende, and the three stage. Maybe multiple mushroom clouds in the three-stage.
• 59:40
  Matt: Yeah, because…
• 59:42
  Matt: You don't have to be the country with the most nukes, you just have to have one, and then everyone else is gonna send theirs.
• 59:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Right.
• 59:51
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, the frame, it would be, like, the mushroom cloud is reflected in the window, and you'd see the guy behind it.
• 59:58
  Tad Eggleston: And then it'd be, like… Oh shit, there goes the neighborhood, and more mushroom clouds.
• 1:00:07
  Marisol: Yes.
• 1:00:10
  Marisol: And…
• 1:00:13
  Tad Eggleston: And then… and then just a woman and a cat and… and… and a glass of wine on the moon.
• 1:00:21
  Marisol: It's all you need.
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe have one panel earlier where you see her breaking into NASA?
• 1:00:28
  Matt: Steel rechargeable batteries.
• 1:00:31
  Marisol: Yes.
• 1:00:34
  Marisol: Well, bringing it back around to why, I will say a very satisfying part of it was seeing Victoria with an axe in her temple.
• 1:00:42
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Matt: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, what's fine.
• 1:00:45
  Tad Eggleston: Thronk!
• 1:00:47
  Tad Eggleston: Click. Long.
• 1:00:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:00:50
  Marisol: Like, that was just beautiful.
• 1:00:52
  Marisol: Like, yes, good, I hated this bitch, get her out of here.
• 1:00:57
  Marisol: This fucking cult leader.
• 1:01:01
  Marisol: And I do love, also, how that.
• 1:01:03
  Tad Eggleston: Though I also felt…
• 1:01:04
  Marisol: of Marisville were, like, wanting to take in the Amazons that were there and rehabilitate them, and…
• 1:01:12
  Tad Eggleston: But I also, I also felt for Victoria, because, like…
• 1:01:17
  Tad Eggleston: To feel that strongly, you know that all the things that she says that, like.
• 1:01:24
  Tad Eggleston: They all went through, at the very least, she went through.
• 1:01:28
  Marisol: Oh, for sure.
• 1:01:31
  Marisol: And that's why she would have these just short feelings about it.
• 1:01:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yorick might not have ever been sexually inappropriate to his sister, but if Victoria had brothers, they were sexually inappropriate to her.
• 1:01:45
  Marisol: Yes.
• 1:01:46
  Matt: Clearly.
• 1:01:48
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 1:01:50
  Marisol: And, like, just the way she was talking to Hiro when they were one-on-one.
• 1:01:55
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:01:55
  Marisol: Was very telling.
• 1:01:59
  Marisol: of whatever traumas Victoria had experienced.
• 1:02:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Marisol: pre… gender side, I guess.
• 1:02:08
  Marisol: You could call it.
• 1:02:11
  Marisol: Cause you don't get to be that… Fanatical, without either…
• 1:02:17
  Marisol: Some huge trauma happening, and you finding your way to cope about it?
• 1:02:22
  Marisol: Or… you just get this idea from this… these things you've experienced, and then you take it and run, and you get into your little…
• 1:02:33
  Marisol: Echo chamber of people who regurgitate that back to you, and then those feelings just get stronger and stronger and stronger.
• 1:02:43
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, before we wrap, this is… this is mostly a Marisol question, because…
• 1:02:48
  Tad Eggleston: Lee has read everything recently, and therefore has to be excluded. Josh, I think, has the best memory of us, so he should probably be excluded. And Matt often has a good memory, so…
• 1:03:00
  Tad Eggleston: Like, this is a question that's only good for people who don't know the answer, and I don't remember, so I don't know the answer, so I might give thoughts, but we know Marisol doesn't have the answer.
• 1:03:14
  Tad Eggleston: How did you feel about the end cliffhanger?
• 1:03:17
  Tad Eggleston: And discovering that the person who's been feeding
• 1:03:21
  Tad Eggleston: the Israeli military information on where York is, Is… his mother.
• 1:03:35
  Marisol: I… ugh.
• 1:03:38
  Marisol: It hurt.
• 1:03:41
  Marisol: It hurt. I didn't know it was her.
• 1:03:44
  Matt: You don't know if it's nefarious or not.
• 1:03:47
  Tad Eggleston: No, you don't, you don't, and it's… and it definitely also throws shade on 355, and makes you have to wonder about that, and it also made me wonder, like, and I honestly can't remember. Did I read it differently?
• 1:04:05
  Tad Eggleston: during an era where Israel wasn't such a bad actor?
• 1:04:10
  Matt: Israel's always been a bad actor.
• 1:04:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but…
• 1:04:13
  Josh Eiserike: I used to live in Israel, so can we have that conversation offline, please, and thank you.
• 1:04:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, I wasn't, wasn't…
• 1:04:22
  Tad Eggleston: Trying… and I… but there's a difference in the way it is now versus the way it was then.
• 1:04:30
  Matt: It just…
• 1:04:30
  Tad Eggleston: My only question was whether it winds up tempering my thoughts. And I don't know that it does, because I know when it was written.
• 1:04:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Tad Eggleston: But how'd you feel with that turn at the end? How it…
• 1:04:50
  Marisol: Ugh.
• 1:04:51
  Marisol: I'm… Honestly, it… More than just it hurting, it pissed me off.
• 1:04:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Marisol: Cause part of me is, like… On the one hand.
• 1:05:04
  Marisol: It would make sense if she was giving those coordinates and that information
• 1:05:09
  Marisol: to someone within, like, the US government to go keep an eye on him, besides 355?
• 1:05:16
  Marisol: I don't know why she would do that, but, I don't know, just…
• 1:05:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:05:19
  Marisol: She's a mother, that's her son, she wants to keep an eye on him, especially since he's the last man on Earth.
• 1:05:25
  Marisol: But to feed them to… A different country's…
• 1:05:32
  Marisol: Military, essentially? Military? Militia? What are they? Military.
• 1:05:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's a military, and, and, like, as is laid out in that, that, that…
• 1:05:44
  Tad Eggleston: the end of the first issue that I just read. It's arguably the only fully functioning military left on Earth.
• 1:05:52
  Josh Eiserike: Yes.
• 1:05:53
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so, I mean, that has to be considered.
• 1:05:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. It's not like she's got strong options if she thinks she needs… and they're absolutely an ally at the time, or should be.
• 1:06:06
  Tad Eggleston: considered an ally.
• 1:06:08
  Marisol: And my whole thing is, too, it's like.
• 1:06:11
  Marisol: I'm confused as to whether or not his mother knows that… I… I don't want to butcher this woman's name, I don't know how to pronounce it. The… the main military woman is…
• 1:06:24
  Marisol: Salon?
• 1:06:25
  Tad Eggleston: Fair.
• 1:06:26
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, boy. Oh, you were trying to go for the last name.
• 1:06:28
  Josh Eiserike: We don't… we don't know her real name.
• 1:06:31
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:06:31
  Marisol: That's true.
• 1:06:32
  Josh Eiserike: Can I interject, please?
• 1:06:34
  Tad Eggleston: Sure.
• 1:06:35
  Marisol: Yes.
• 1:06:35
  Josh Eiserike: I thought, in re-reading, I thought… and I… years ago, I thought he got the Israeli stuff really, really well, having lived there, like, family, friends, being Israeli. I asked him about that. He just did a lot of research, which surprised me.
• 1:06:52
  Tad Eggleston: He's a… he's a researcher.
• 1:06:54
  Josh Eiserike: Is it just like, yeah, nope, this, this feels real.
• 1:06:59
  Josh Eiserike: But the parallel that I saw in this read-through that I didn't pick up in my initial read is we don't know Alter's real name, and we don't know 355's real name.
• 1:07:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 1:07:10
  Josh Eiserike: And I thought that was…
• 1:07:12
  Marisol: That's true.
• 1:07:12
  Josh Eiserike: Fascinating.
• 1:07:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Tad Eggleston: That is awesome.
• 1:07:19
  Josh Eiserike: That's all I will say. Sorry, Marisol.
• 1:07:21
  Marisol: No, it's fine. My thing was just, like, does…
• 1:07:26
  Marisol: Durek's mom know that Alter's main goal is to kill him, and has…
• 1:07:32
  Marisol: This much, like, hatred, and just so vehemently hunting him down, like… To what end?
• 1:07:39
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:07:41
  Marisol: What is the point of her giving this information?
• 1:07:45
  Marisol: To alter.
• 1:07:51
  Marisol: And now we're not gonna know until next month, or at least I'm not.
• 1:07:53
  Tad Eggleston: Next month!
• 1:07:54
  Tad Eggleston: Because I will say, I will say that the biggest result was, rather than stopping, I've read, like.
• 1:08:01
  Tad Eggleston: An issue farther, because I immediately loaded up the next book and kept.
• 1:08:05
  Josh Eiserike: I'm going to the library tomorrow.
• 1:08:07
  Tad Eggleston: Right. I heard some…
• 1:08:10
  Marisol: I had to speed through this one after work.
• 1:08:13
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:08:14
  Tad Eggleston: The biggest…
• 1:08:15
  Marisol: During work hours.
• 1:08:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right, the biggest result of, of, of, of that, that…
• 1:08:20
  Tad Eggleston: Cliffhanger at the end there was like, oh, no, no, no, I need to keep going.
• 1:08:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yo.
• 1:08:30
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 1:08:32
  Marisol: seeing where it went to, but then I had to make dinner.
• 1:08:35
  Tad Eggleston: We still have at least 3 more months until more Saga, so… so…
• 1:08:40
  Tad Eggleston: More Why the Last Man next month.
• 1:08:45
  Marisol: Hopefully I don't see what happens with these astronauts.
• 1:08:47
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna say right now, like, everybody keep us posted as you finish volumes. We'll do as many volumes as people finish.
• 1:08:54
  Josh Eiserike: So, can I ask a clarifying question?
• 1:08:57
  Tad Eggleston: Sure.
• 1:08:57
  Josh Eiserike: I'm… I… I have these, you guys are reading more like omnibus, omnibusi?
• 1:09:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it essentially works out to 2 of those are each volume of…
• 1:09:07
  Matt: What we're reading.
• 1:09:08
  Tad Eggleston: what we're reading.
• 1:09:09
  Josh Eiserike: No, I agree.
• 1:09:10
  Tad Eggleston: 10 of those…
• 1:09:11
  Josh Eiserike: So, okay, so I read exactly what I was supposed to read, so now we're doing 3 and 4.
• 1:09:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Which one of those…
• 1:09:17
  Josh Eiserike: why you were like, wait a second, the Russian lady, that comes in this one. But I… but you read ahead.
• 1:09:23
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Tad Eggleston: It might have been from just reading ahead, it might have been the.
• 1:09:26
  Josh Eiserike: The first…
• 1:09:27
  Tad Eggleston: chapter. And that's the problem with having read a head. Yeah, alright, so…
• 1:09:32
  Josh Eiserike: I'll do 3 and 4 for, next…
• 1:09:34
  Tad Eggleston: Definitely 3 and 4, but again, like, if you get them done sooner rather than later.
• 1:09:40
  Tad Eggleston: Post it in the chat. I'm through Volume 2, headed to Volume 3.
• 1:09:45
  Marisol: Oh, gosh.
• 1:09:46
  Tad Eggleston: Cuz… cuz, like, Lee went through all 5 of them.
• 1:09:51
  Tad Eggleston: He's waiting. Look at his face. He's the kid in the comedy shop going, please finish, please finish, please!
• 1:09:59
  Lee Woods: I heard so many questions!
• 1:10:03
  Josh Eiserike: Lee, Lee, I want… I want just a yes or no answer from you.
• 1:10:07
  Josh Eiserike: Okay. Did you like the ending?
• 1:10:13
  Lee Woods: No.
• 1:10:17
  Josh Eiserike: I will say, I remember when the ending came out, and I'm not saying anything about it.
• 1:10:23
  Josh Eiserike: I read an interview where.
• 1:10:24
  Marisol: Spoilers.
• 1:10:25
  Josh Eiserike: Where Brian said, this is not the ending I would have written today.
• 1:10:30
  Josh Eiserike: but I'm honoring the boy who pitched this.
• 1:10:34
  Josh Eiserike: Back in 2002, and this is the ending that he came up with, so this is the ending of the series. Essentially, is what he said.
• 1:10:40
  Lee Woods: I would love to explore that.
• 1:10:42
  Marisol: Mmm.
• 1:10:43
  Tad Eggleston: We will soon. Interesting.
• 1:10:46
  Josh Eiserike: I feel like I'm talking about Marco's death now, like, you know, All the years, huh?
• 1:10:51
  Marisol: Foreshouting without actually saying anything.
• 1:10:54
  Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Tad Eggleston: For 22 Panels, this has been the Saga Book Club, and we've just discussed Why the Last Man, and we will see you after the next page.