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The Next Round: Is Alabama’s Run Game Fixed? Mike Johnson Talks Crimson Tide, Georgia & Lane Kiffin | Hour 2 · The Next Round

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Speaker 2: How about that? Okay, I think they're trying. Yeah, let's
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Speaker 2: close the borders of the internet. How about that? How
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Speaker 2: about that? That made Mike Johnson smile. You can make
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson laugh. Yeah, if I can do that, man.
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Speaker 2: I used to do that on college football Saturdays. I
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Speaker 2: used to make his ass laugh. Mike Johnson, former Alabama
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Speaker 2: Crimson Tide offensive lineman, former Atlanta Falcon offensive lineman. You
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Speaker 2: now hear him on the Falcons radio network and also
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Speaker 2: 92.9 The Game over in the ATL. What's up, Mike?
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Speaker 2: How are you, buddy?
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Speaker 3: Man, I'm loving the dream. You know how it is.
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Speaker 3: We're having a good time over here trying to keep
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Speaker 3: our eyes on the prize in terms of winning football
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Speaker 3: games for the Atlanta Falcons, but it hasn't been very
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Speaker 3: easy so far.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got Atlanta as one of eight teams that
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Speaker 1: haven't won a game yet.
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Speaker 2: Are you reporting that? Do you have the same source
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Speaker 2: as I do?
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Speaker 3: One of one teams that have not reached the red
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Speaker 3: zone offensively. So, yeah, it's even worse than that.
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Speaker 2: Wow. I was unaware of that stat, Mike.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of offensive struggles, 2009. South Carolina's at Bryant-Denny Stadium.
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Speaker 1: Your buddy Mark Ingram's getting honored going into the College
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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame this weekend with South Carolina back
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Speaker 1: in the building. Can you take me back to that night,
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Speaker 1: the struggles of the offense?
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Speaker 2: Were you on that?
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Speaker 1: You were on that 2009 National Championship offensive line, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, well, let's slow down on the
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Speaker 3: struggles of the offense. We had struggles of the passing game, Jim. Okay.
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Speaker 2: We.
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Speaker 3: we rushed for about two 50 there with Mark Ingram. We, we, uh, no, man,
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Speaker 3: we honestly, it was one of those unique games. Uh,
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Speaker 3: I think Mark Barron, if I'm not mistaken, had a
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Speaker 3: pick six early in the game. That was in the
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Speaker 3: middle of a stretch for our buddy, Greg, that he
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Speaker 3: didn't throw a touchdown pass for a few games. And
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Speaker 3: we had really struggled through the air. We just weren't
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Speaker 3: getting much, uh, much really done through the air. So, um,
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Speaker 3: Coach Saban, Coach McWin kind of challenging us and saying, look,
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Speaker 3: if we're ready to really put our foot down and
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Speaker 3: go into four-minute mode the way we did so many
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Speaker 3: times throughout that season, we had a lot of close games.
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Speaker 3: I think people look back on that 0-9 undefeated team
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Speaker 3: and remember Florida and remember us playing Texas that The
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Speaker 3: middle of that year was hairy at best, and we
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Speaker 3: were always pretty good at being able to run the
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Speaker 3: ball in the fourth quarter. Mark Ingram goes into Wildcat,
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Speaker 3: and we never took our foot off the gas after that.
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Speaker 3: But incredible dude, incredible player, and you know how I feel.
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Speaker 3: He's well-deserving of all the honors.
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Speaker 2: Now, I was in the press box.
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Speaker 1: I remember some boos during the offensive struggles of that
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Speaker 1: national championship game. I don't know if you guys could
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Speaker 1: hear it or not. I think there were a couple
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Speaker 1: of boos in the stands when the passing game wasn't
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Speaker 1: going right. Do you remember it that way? And what
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Speaker 1: do you think about boos coming from a fan base?
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Speaker 3: Well, I do remember them. They weren't great. I remember
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Speaker 3: we tried to complete a screen pass on the second
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Speaker 3: or third drive. You know, like their pass rush was
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Speaker 3: getting after it. They had Sergio Kendall and Lamar Houston
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Speaker 3: and Roderick McElroy and the Achos.
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Speaker 2: I love that you remember the names.
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Speaker 3: Oh, dude, look, Blake Gideon, who was at Georgia Tech
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Speaker 3: last year, was the safety. I mean, I've got them
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Speaker 3: all from top to bottom. But, no, I mean, I
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Speaker 3: do remember, yeah, it was pretty unsettled there for a moment. Um,
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Speaker 3: but you know, we were able to find our footing,
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Speaker 3: get the run game going, but yeah, I mean, that
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Speaker 3: wasn't the only time that year. I mean, my goodness,
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Speaker 3: even going back in 2008, we go 12 and two,
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Speaker 3: I think we beat Kentucky by a touchdown. Um, didn't
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Speaker 3: play extremely well against Vanderbilt at one point, you know,
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Speaker 3: we snuck by with some really close victories, but, um, offensively,
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Speaker 3: there were definitely some struggles. We were, we were more
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Speaker 3: grit than, than, than talent, you know, with some of
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Speaker 3: those offenses. Um, but we're able to get done, but Look,
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. It's kind of a hard
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Speaker 3: conversation to be honest with you. I used to feel
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Speaker 3: differently about it when we were playing, I would say,
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Speaker 3: you know, look, we're amateur athletes and you know, we're
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Speaker 3: just students. You guys are, you know, should be supportive
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Speaker 3: either way. And the, the, the dynamic of the landscape
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Speaker 3: has changed, hasn't it? Right. There's a few more zeros
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Speaker 3: attached to this thing, which comes with a few more expectations.
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Speaker 3: And so, um, Lord knows, I mean, we didn't even
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Speaker 3: get out of the second series the other day with
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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons and they're booing. And it's, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: it's frustrating because on that side of it, you never
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Speaker 3: want to hear the boos. And no matter what the
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Speaker 3: players are going to say, they do take it personally.
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Speaker 3: But you're also... you know, you're now making a lot
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Speaker 3: of money to go out and make plays. And I
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Speaker 3: think that you have to kind of take that in
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Speaker 3: mind when you talk about these instances happening nowadays.
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson with us, former Atlanta Falcon, Alabama Crimson Tide
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Speaker 2: offensive lineman at MPJohnson79 if you want to follow him
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Speaker 2: on social media. And you also hear him on the
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Speaker 2: Falcons pregame, postgame, 92-9 the game in Atlanta. So he's
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Speaker 2: a busy man. And in all of that, I don't
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Speaker 2: know how much tape you get to break down, but
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Speaker 2: I do know you watch your former college team, and
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Speaker 2: it was a struggle on the offensive line last year.
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Speaker 2: They've changed coaches through three games. The running numbers have improved.
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Speaker 2: Has the offensive line improved in your eyes? Do you
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Speaker 2: look at it and you're like, year over year, I
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Speaker 2: can see some positive differences?
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt that right now Alabama's
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Speaker 3: offensive line looks more willing to be nasty. I think
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Speaker 3: that there's a willingness there that I think they had
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Speaker 3: probably more talent last year, which is the frustrating part.
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Speaker 3: But I think the willingness to kind of, I always
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Speaker 3: say the willingness to fall on your chest or fall
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Speaker 3: on your face, right? That there was way too much
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Speaker 3: like last year of, oh, this is my guy. I'm
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Speaker 3: going to make sure I'm in the framework with my
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Speaker 3: hands and I'm going to make sure that, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're kind of chest to chest. And like, I believe
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Speaker 3: in offensive line play, being willing to fall on your
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Speaker 3: face and fall on your chest. That might not be popular. Right.
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Speaker 3: Because that means like somebody sliding off the block and
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Speaker 3: maybe somebody is able to make a play in the hole.
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Speaker 3: But I believe in timing of the running back, the
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Speaker 3: spacing between the running back and the offensive line. And
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Speaker 3: if the timing and spacing are right and the offensive
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Speaker 3: lineman is willing to fall on his face, you're going
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Speaker 3: to gain yardage. And I think sometimes in college football nowadays,
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Speaker 3: we have to remind ourselves that four yards is not
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Speaker 3: a bad play. So I see more willingness from this
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Speaker 3: offensive line to be able to fall forward and to
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Speaker 3: be able to scratch and claw for yards. Are they
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Speaker 3: as talented as Caden Proctor and their group last year?
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Speaker 3: I think that remains to be seen. But I love
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Speaker 3: the nasty. I love the grit that I've seen so far.
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Speaker 3: And I think from a technical standpoint, they're probably– a
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Speaker 3: leg up as well. So I'm excited about what I've
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Speaker 3: seen so far.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. 209 a game, Alabama six in the conference. And
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Speaker 2: as you enter conference play, you know, this, everybody's numbers
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Speaker 2: are going to drop. I mean, that's, you know, everybody's
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Speaker 2: played some lesser teams in their non-conference. Do you feel
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Speaker 2: like the run game is fixed though? I mean, that
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Speaker 2: was the thing that held Alabama back last year. Do you,
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Speaker 2: do you feel like it's fixed or do you need
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Speaker 2: to see more? I mean, fixed in terms of what, right?
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Speaker 3: Are we talking about Derrick Henry fixed?
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Speaker 2: If it was Derrick Henry fixed, this team would be something.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they were dead last. Well, I think LSU
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Speaker 2: was dead last running the ball last year. I think
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Speaker 2: Alabama was next to last in the SEC. It's clearly
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Speaker 2: better than that, right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if they're not going to keep it up
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Speaker 2: at 209 a game, and nobody thinks that, but it's
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Speaker 2: better than it was last year.
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Speaker 3: I think it would be fair to say. You guys
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Speaker 3: tell me. I think it would be fair to say
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Speaker 3: that most Alabama fans expect you to be in the
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Speaker 3: top 25% of the conference. I would agree. Right. And
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Speaker 3: so I think that's kind of where I set the bar.
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Speaker 3: Like you're, you look at certain teams around the conference
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Speaker 3: and they just, they're going to be right. I mean,
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Speaker 3: Georgia is going to be there, right. You're going to,
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Speaker 3: you're going to always look at certain teams. And I
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Speaker 3: think that along the way, there are some teams that
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Speaker 3: used to be that way that have kind of lost
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Speaker 3: their identity. I mean, my God, you know, the, the,
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Speaker 3: the Leonard Fournette years at LSU seem to be a
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Speaker 3: lost art. Like they, they, they don't even look remotely
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Speaker 3: like they did as far as running the ball the
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Speaker 3: way they did. I mean, I go all the way back.
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Speaker 3: I was watching highlights of Darren McFadlin, Felix Jones, you know,
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Speaker 3: running the ball 20 years ago in Arkansas. I think
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Speaker 3: that if you can find a way to be in
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Speaker 3: that top quarter of the conference and, you know, kind
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Speaker 3: of hover around that 200-yard mark, then I think, yes, fixed.
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Speaker 3: Do I love the way it is looked down in
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Speaker 3: and down out? No. But I love the willingness of
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Speaker 3: Kalen DeBoer, Ryan Grubb to kind of commit to it.
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Speaker 3: And I think that makes it easier when you get
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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter of being able to pull it
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Speaker 3: off when you really need to, right? You can't just say, oh,
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Speaker 3: it's the fourth quarter, four-minute mode. Let's run power. Like
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Speaker 3: it doesn't really work like that. And so I think
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Speaker 3: that they've made a ton of strides and a ton
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Speaker 3: of improvement. Are they championship caliber yet? No, I don't
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Speaker 3: think so. And just in terms of the run game,
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Speaker 3: but I'm excited about the direction they're headed and understand
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Speaker 3: they have a little bit of runway ahead of them.
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Speaker 1: Mike, listen, I, I know you have to use your
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Speaker 1: imagination with how good Georgia is so far because of
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Speaker 1: their three games that have been off Broadway. But Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: comes to town. This Georgia team looks so buttoned up
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Speaker 1: to me. The way they handle their business, no matter
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Speaker 1: who the opponent is, they look to be a team that,
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Speaker 1: I'll just say it again, they handle their business. And
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Speaker 1: I think that carries you a long way.
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Speaker 2: What's your first impression through three games of this edition
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Speaker 2: of Kirby Smart's Dogs?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think. I think you're looking at it the
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Speaker 3: same way I do, is they're consistent. And it's because
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Speaker 3: they play to a standard, right? And I know we've
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Speaker 3: heard that before in Tuscaloosa a couple of times. You
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Speaker 3: play to the standard. You don't play to the team
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Speaker 3: you're playing. And I think that sometimes we fall victim
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Speaker 3: to that at other schools. And Kirby just has found
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Speaker 3: an ability not to allow his team to do that.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're perfect, but I think they're as close.
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Speaker 3: to it as you can find in college football right now.
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Speaker 3: I think there's been some hiccups at the wide receiver position.
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Speaker 3: I think there's been some injury concern at other places.
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Speaker 3: I think the offensive line, even a couple of weeks ago,
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Speaker 3: playing against lesser opponents, I think he kind of wanted
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Speaker 3: a little more consistency out of them. But when you
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Speaker 3: look at the tight end room, when you look at
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Speaker 3: the decision-making of Gunnar Stockton, When you look at some
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Speaker 3: of the depth they're going to have in the front seven,
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Speaker 3: some of the playmakers, they're about as well-rounded as it comes.
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Speaker 3: And when they practice the way they practice and they
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Speaker 3: play the way they play, we've seen Georgia now and
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Speaker 3: have enough stock kind of put into what they're supposed
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Speaker 3: to look like that we know that usually week in
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Speaker 3: and week out we're going to get the best version
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Speaker 3: of them. And so, look, Georgia fans know you're going
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Speaker 3: to struggle when it comes to the Trinidad-Chamberlain's of the world.
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Speaker 3: You're going to struggle going into Bryant-Denny. Florida looks like
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Speaker 3: it's going to be a tough game at Mercedes-Benz. But
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Speaker 3: they're going to play to a pretty high level, and
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Speaker 3: it's going to be really, really hard to put them away.
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Speaker 2: So the defensive line drills during timeouts got a lot
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Speaker 2: of attention because of Kirby's comments afterwards and because ESPN
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Speaker 2: showed it and because they destroyed Arkansas. That's pretty unique, though, right?
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Speaker 2: And I know they weren't just doing it in the
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Speaker 2: Arkansas game. They've done it all along with this defensive
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Speaker 2: line coach, but I've never seen it from anybody else.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen other teams do that?
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Speaker 3: I've, that was a new one on me. Uh, I
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Speaker 3: had to ask, I had to ask our buddy Rusty
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Speaker 3: Mansell over here and a couple of other people around
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Speaker 3: the Georgia program.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, that's, that's pretty intense, man.
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Speaker 3: But look, I guess when you have, uh, whatever the
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Speaker 3: scholarship numbers are these days, you don't have the 85
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Speaker 3: or whatever. I mean, you got to do what you
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Speaker 3: got to do to get your work in, but I'm
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Speaker 3: with you. I've, I've never seen anything like that. Um,
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Speaker 3: but I love the way Kirby kind of described it afterwards.
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Speaker 3: I know there was some, a little bit of bad
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Speaker 3: blood there with the, uh, you know, with the Arkansas
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Speaker 3: coach and, uh, He seemed to explain it pretty thoroughly that, hey,
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Speaker 3: we're trying to get our work in, which I love.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I could see, though, Mike Johnson leveling one of those
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Speaker 1: guys and saying, hey, next TV timeout, you better get
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Speaker 1: back and work on those drills. You better get your
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Speaker 1: coach out here. This ain't a drill, bro. Yeah, work
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Speaker 1: on that footwork, my man, because you just got pancaked. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Lane Kiffin, do you think
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Speaker 1: he'll ever be a great head coach?
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Speaker 2: He's good. I'm not going to say he's not a
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Speaker 2: good head coach. Do you think he'll ever be a
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Speaker 2: great head coach?
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Speaker 3: Man, I don't know that. And by great head coach,
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Speaker 3: I think of like a dynasty. You know, I think
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Speaker 3: of a guy that's been able to make, you know,
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Speaker 3: championship appearance and multiple national titles. Well, let's start with
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Speaker 3: the top right there. I don't know that that exists
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Speaker 3: anymore with the landscape of college football. I don't know
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Speaker 3: that the dynasties even exist, right? I mean, anytime you
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Speaker 3: try to build depth, that's going to probably leave the program.
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Speaker 3: And we've seen that more times than not. The programs
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Speaker 3: that have done well either have been able to really
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Speaker 3: develop players a la Georgia or they have gone out
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Speaker 3: into the portal and have found those guys at different positions.
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Speaker 3: But I do think it's tough. Lane... just in his
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Speaker 3: personality kind of lends himself away from kind of being
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Speaker 3: that dominant guy down in that out. Cause he's just
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Speaker 3: kind of laissez faire the way he approaches things. So
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Speaker 3: I don't know, like as a player, I, that's what
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Speaker 3: I've always tried to go out with the way I
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Speaker 3: look at Lane Kiffin. I think that, you know, I
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Speaker 3: Nick Saban had just a way of getting us to
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Speaker 3: practice extremely intense every single day. I don't know that
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Speaker 3: Lane has that over a course of, you know, every
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Speaker 3: single week of every single month of every single year, but,
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Speaker 3: I think that he's a championship-caliber coach, and I think
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Speaker 3: that's the first step, and I think he's well on
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Speaker 3: his way to winning one of those.
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson played not only for Alabama, but for the
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Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons. I mentioned he also does Falcons pregame, postgame
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Speaker 2: on the Falcons network, as well as 92-9 the game.
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Speaker 2: So he talks a lot of Falcons, sees a lot
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Speaker 2: of Falcons. But I'm going to ask him probably an
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Speaker 2: impossible question to answer. Percentage starts for the Falcons quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: the rest of the year, like Pennix to... Boy, you
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Speaker 2: hope you don't get to Strand or Cooper Rush again.
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Speaker 2: But how do you think this shakes out the rest
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Speaker 2: of the year for the Falcons?
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Speaker 3: So going all the way back a number of months,
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Speaker 3: I projected it to be three different eras of quarterback.
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Speaker 3: And I didn't know which direction they would come in.
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Speaker 3: And I didn't know that Tua would end up getting
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Speaker 3: hurt along the way. And you're right, you don't want Cooper.
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Speaker 3: I mean, people forget that Trevor Simeon was on this
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Speaker 3: roster at the beginning of training camp and got let
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Speaker 3: go with an injury disclosure. And that's when they brought
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Speaker 3: in Cooper Rush. I think that every Falcons fan would
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Speaker 3: tell you, no matter whether or not they like Michael Penix,
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Speaker 3: that the best case scenario is Michael Penix hits the
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Speaker 3: ground running tomorrow night and is able to kind of
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Speaker 3: take that job and then you can build around him
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Speaker 3: next year. If Michael Penix does not hit the ground running,
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Speaker 3: I think you find yourself very quickly in a scenario
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Speaker 3: where You start doing some of the things that we've
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Speaker 3: seen the Jets do in the past, trading Sauce Gardner,
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Speaker 3: trading Quinn Williams, the Panthers, trading DJ Moore. You start
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Speaker 3: having to find a way to get more draft picks
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Speaker 3: because I think they only have five right now for
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Speaker 3: next football season, even though they have a lot of
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Speaker 3: cap room. There's 15 more games left. I would be
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Speaker 3: just you guys have watched Falcons football over the last five,
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Speaker 3: six years. There's been no season where one quarterback has
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Speaker 3: taken the reins and then just has ridden off into
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Speaker 3: the sunset. It's been two every year. Desmond Ritter, Marcus Mariota,
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Speaker 3: Michael Penix, Kirk Cousins, Taylor Heineke. I mean, so the
15:21
Speaker 3: odds are that there's going to be multiple quarterbacks the
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Speaker 3: rest of the year. But I think the runway right
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Speaker 3: now is at least the next 10 to 12 because
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Speaker 3: of health. at least the next 10 to 12, to
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Speaker 3: see what Michael Penix has. And if that doesn't go well,
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Speaker 3: maybe you sprinkle in a two at some point. But
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Speaker 3: Penix is going to get every bit of leash necessary,
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Speaker 3: as you've seen with the way they've handled the injury
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Speaker 3: over the first couple of weeks, to go out and
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Speaker 3: prove that he's somebody that they can sort of build
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Speaker 3: around towards the future.
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Speaker 2: I'm not Adam Schefter, but I bet they could get
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Speaker 2: draft picks for B. John Robinson. I don't know. If
15:50
Speaker 2: they wanted to offer him in trade, they could probably
15:53
Speaker 2: get some draft picks for him. I, I've, I think
15:55
Speaker 2: that would make me absolutely nauseous. I, but I mean, look,
16:00
Speaker 2: you've got other players like Chris Lindstrom is an all
16:02
Speaker 2: pro right guard. Who's got two years left on his deal,
16:05
Speaker 2: kind of more suited for a wide zone scheme. They've
16:07
Speaker 2: started running more gap scheme this year.
16:09
Speaker 3: Jesse, Jesse Bates is an all pro safety. He's in
16:12
Speaker 3: the last year of his contract. He's over 30 years old.
16:15
Speaker 3: There are pieces, right? Um, You just don't want to
16:18
Speaker 3: have to do that. You'd rather Michael Penix come out.
16:20
Speaker 3: And frankly, I think the Packers, while I think they're
16:22
Speaker 3: a good team, I don't think they're unbeatable on a
16:24
Speaker 3: Thursday night without, honestly, their two best players offensively and defensively.
16:28
Speaker 3: So I think that if you can go out and perform,
16:31
Speaker 3: you can hit the ground running and you can start
16:32
Speaker 3: building something. But if not, man, it's a slippery slope.
16:36
Speaker 3: And Ian Cunningham and Matt Ryan and company over here
16:38
Speaker 3: are seemingly willing to kind of get a fresh start
16:42
Speaker 3: in year two for Kevin Stefanski.
16:43
Speaker 1: And I'm a Buccaneers fan, and you can always say,
16:45
Speaker 1: thank God we're in the NFC South. You're only a
16:47
Speaker 1: game out of first place right now. I want to
16:50
Speaker 1: ask you, though, if the Falcons become a franchise looking
16:54
Speaker 1: for their future quarterback, is there a guy in college?
16:57
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be a really deep, deep draft
17:01
Speaker 1: class of quarterbacks, but we're 25% through the college football season.
17:06
Speaker 1: Is there one that you see that, man, automatically I
17:09
Speaker 1: know that guy is going to be a stud in
17:12
Speaker 1: the NFL?
17:13
Speaker 3: Well, ironically, I don't know if you guys saw it
17:15
Speaker 3: last week, Matt Ryan and Ian Cunningham were at the
17:18
Speaker 3: Oregon-Oklahoma State game, and they were there to watch, I guess,
17:22
Speaker 3: Dante Moore, but ended up coming away impressed with Drew
17:24
Speaker 3: Mestemaker from Oklahoma State because he had quite the game.
17:28
Speaker 3: I think that most of the people I talk to,
17:30
Speaker 3: they either go Trinidad, Chambliss. Arch Manning, while I think
17:34
Speaker 3: he's a good quarterback, I don't know that he's the
17:36
Speaker 3: difference maker that a lot of people think you need,
17:38
Speaker 3: especially if you have a top-five draft pick. at this point.
17:41
Speaker 3: And then I've actually heard a lot of Darian Mensah
17:44
Speaker 3: lately because he's a guy that can move around and
17:46
Speaker 3: utilize his legs. The frustrating part of it, guys, is
17:50
Speaker 3: there is really nothing in Kevin Stefanski's past that leads
17:54
Speaker 3: us to believe we know exactly what kind of quarterback
17:56
Speaker 3: he wants. I mean, you can go from Joe Flacco
17:59
Speaker 3: to Dorian Thompson-Robinson over the last few years with what
18:03
Speaker 3: he's had with the Cleveland Browns, and you get no
18:06
Speaker 3: closer to really knowing how he values these guys. And
18:08
Speaker 3: don't forget... Tommy Reese is the offensive coordinator or the
18:12
Speaker 3: play caller over here for the Atlanta Falcons, and people
18:14
Speaker 3: know him from what he did with Jalen Milrow or
18:16
Speaker 3: the frustration you might have had around Jalen Milrow with
18:19
Speaker 3: Alabama just a couple of years ago. So I think
18:23
Speaker 3: that Trinidad, just because of what happened last weekend, is
18:26
Speaker 3: at the top of a lot of people's minds. But
18:28
Speaker 3: me personally, I want somebody that can extend the plays,
18:31
Speaker 3: but not necessarily run the football, a la Caleb Williams
18:34
Speaker 3: and some of the things that he's been able to do,
18:35
Speaker 3: but There's a lot of time left between now and
18:39
Speaker 3: then for us to see who kind of comes out
18:41
Speaker 3: of that entire race.
18:42
Speaker 2: Unless I'm missing one, the quarterbacks that you played in
18:45
Speaker 2: front of, college and NFL, were John Parker Wilson, Greg McIlroy,
18:49
Speaker 2: and then in the NFL, Matt Ryan. So you never
18:53
Speaker 2: had a short quarterback behind you. And that's the knock
18:56
Speaker 2: on Chambliss. JPW would be the shortest. Well, what is
18:59
Speaker 2: John Parker?
18:59
Speaker 3: 6'2?
19:00
Speaker 2: I mean, he's 6'2.
19:03
Speaker 3: He's tall enough.
19:04
Speaker 2: So he may be taller than McIlroy then. Yeah, Greg's
19:08
Speaker 2: fairly tall.
19:08
Speaker 3: And then Matt? I think John Parker's got Greg by
19:12
Speaker 3: just a little bit.
19:13
Speaker 2: I know John Parker would tell us John Parker's got Greg.
19:15
Speaker 2: John Parker's a better golfer, too, right? John Parker would
19:19
Speaker 2: tell us John Parker's a better golfer.
19:21
Speaker 3: I don't know.
19:22
Speaker 2: But my point in the question was you never played
19:24
Speaker 2: with a quote-unquote what the NFL would call a short quarterback,
19:28
Speaker 2: but that's the knock on Chambliss. I mean, how big
19:29
Speaker 2: a deal is that?
19:31
Speaker 3: I don't think it's nothing. And I think that it's
19:34
Speaker 3: almost disingenuous how much you hear when short quarterbacks come
19:38
Speaker 3: out now. It's like, oh, well, Drew Brees did it
19:40
Speaker 3: or Russell Wilson. It's hard. And the last thing you
19:44
Speaker 3: want is to add another hurdle in front of your offense.
19:48
Speaker 3: Here's the problem, though. I just came off a game
19:51
Speaker 3: watching Bryce Young absolutely dice up everything the Falcons tried
19:55
Speaker 3: to do to him last week. It's been multiple times
19:57
Speaker 3: you've seen Bryce Young be able to do that against
19:59
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons. That was the knock on him. I
20:01
Speaker 3: wasn't a huge Bryce guy in the draft because of that.
20:04
Speaker 3: I think he's got a lot of stuff upstairs and
20:07
Speaker 3: It's a quick release and he's accurate. But, you know,
20:11
Speaker 3: I think that there's an uphill climb there. I don't
20:13
Speaker 3: know that there's the right answer. We actually talked to
20:15
Speaker 3: Emory Hunt earlier today and he was kind of breaking
20:17
Speaker 3: down some things. And he's like, you know, there's just
20:19
Speaker 3: nothing to be said bigger than a guy that can
20:22
Speaker 3: step up in primetime situations the way Trinidad Shameless did.
20:25
Speaker 3: Guys that know how to move around and guys that
20:28
Speaker 3: know how to, you know, lock eyes with the safety
20:31
Speaker 3: and make those plays under the lights. There's a lot
20:33
Speaker 3: to be said about that, too. I don't know that
20:35
Speaker 3: there's a perfect formula, but I do know that Trinidad
20:38
Speaker 3: Chambliss is unbelievably talented, and he would immediately kind of
20:43
Speaker 3: electrify what you were trying to do. Yeah, I think
20:46
Speaker 3: in a perfect situation, Trinidad Chambliss is 6'3, or 6'5,
20:50
Speaker 3: and we're talking about Josh Allen, but I don't know
20:53
Speaker 3: if any of those guys are rolling around out there.
20:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Allen does not grow on trees, unfortunately. Yeah, no,
20:58
Speaker 2: he does not.
20:59
Speaker 1: I'm still under 6 feet, but in middle school, I
21:01
Speaker 1: wanted to be a little taller. I used to hang
21:04
Speaker 1: from the pull-up bar out on the playground, just hang
21:08
Speaker 1: there for as long as I could.
21:09
Speaker 2: Did not work, by the way. Or maybe it did.
21:11
Speaker 2: Maybe I was going to be 5'9, instead of 5'10.
21:13
Speaker 2: You never know.
21:16
Speaker 3: Who knows, man? Who knows?
21:17
Speaker 2: All right, here's Mike Johnson, MPJohnson79 on social media. When
21:22
Speaker 2: you're in Atlanta, 92-9 the game. They do a tremendous
21:24
Speaker 2: job there talking football and Atlanta sports. Also, Atlanta Falcons pre-
21:29
Speaker 2: and post-game. Mike, we thank you for the time, buddy.
21:31
Speaker 2: Always good to see you. Yeah, man.
21:32
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys. Anytime. All right, buddy.
21:34
Speaker 2: Take care of Mike Johnson with us here on the
21:36
Speaker 2: next round.
21:37
Speaker 3: He's great.
21:37
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite guests when we have him on.
21:39
Speaker 2: I love talking to him. And now that list of
21:41
Speaker 2: Falcons quarterbacks he wrote off is pretty bad, and I'm
21:43
Speaker 2: a Dolphins fan. Yeah, it was pretty bad.
21:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:46
Speaker 1: Um, boy, you start, I mean, at some point, Joe,
21:50
Speaker 1: you decide as an organization to dump players and that's
21:55
Speaker 1: a tough place to be.
21:56
Speaker 2: Well, he said it. I mean, that's what the Jets
21:58
Speaker 2: did last year. They finally figured it out. Well, we're,
22:01
Speaker 2: we're not. So then Quentin Williams is going, Saltz Gardner
22:03
Speaker 2: is going, and those guys are playing in Indianapolis and in, in, uh, in, uh,
22:07
Speaker 2: in Dallas and still playing well. I don't think he
22:09
Speaker 2: would ever unload Bijan. I mean, That's giving up on
22:12
Speaker 2: your franchise at that point. That's right. When you've invested
22:15
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22:17
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22:20
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22:24
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22:27
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Speaker 2: Wherever you do it. To college football, we go. The
28:35
Speaker 2: sport we love so much. And I asked the question, Brownie,
28:39
Speaker 2: give me four teams... that have already lost, that get
28:43
Speaker 2: bounce-back wins this weekend.
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Speaker 1: One of them is going to surprise you. One of
28:47
Speaker 1: them is going to surprise me. I don't know. We
28:50
Speaker 1: matched our list earlier.
28:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did with our Heisman. We matched those lists. Now,
28:54
Speaker 2: the flip side, what do you have? I've got Oregon.
28:58
Speaker 2: You have Oregon.
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Speaker 1: Winning at USC. That's number one. Big bounce-back win for them.
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Speaker 1: I will say your list surprised me. We've only got
29:05
Speaker 1: one duplication.
29:06
Speaker 2: Number two. They may not have female cheerleaders, but that
29:10
Speaker 2: shouldn't keep them out of the college football. Maybe it
29:12
Speaker 2: should keep them out of the college football playoff, but
29:14
Speaker 2: we don't have rules against it just yet. Texas A &
29:16
Speaker 2: M upsets LSU in Tiger Stadium, and it's not LSU
29:22
Speaker 2: that bounces back. It's Texas A & M that bounces back.
29:25
Speaker 2: That is somewhat surprising. That is going to be a
29:27
Speaker 2: shocker Saturday night at Tiger Stadium on ABC. And then
29:32
Speaker 2: I'm going to go a little Big 12 flavor for
29:33
Speaker 2: you for three and four. Houston... Now, they're only playing
29:37
Speaker 2: Georgia Southern, so this is not like a huge game.
29:39
Speaker 2: But it will be if you lose it, obviously. By
29:42
Speaker 2: the way, it's a losable game. It's on the road
29:44
Speaker 2: for Houston. They're in Statesboro, Georgia. Weird spot. Weird spot
29:48
Speaker 2: to have to go to Georgia Southern. Now, this is
29:50
Speaker 2: not a conference game. Ultimately, for Houston, all that's going
29:52
Speaker 2: to matter is conference play. But the reason they need
29:54
Speaker 2: to bounce back is two straight losses. You get a
29:57
Speaker 2: little bit of a funk. You get some of those
29:58
Speaker 2: bad vibes we were talking about on Withrow's list earlier.
30:01
Speaker 2: But if Houston, like, I mean, it's not outside the
30:03
Speaker 2: realm of possibility. They can get back to Texas Tech
30:06
Speaker 2: in the Big 12 championship game if they take care
30:08
Speaker 2: of business. And then if you're Houston, you're like, man,
30:13
Speaker 2: we went to their place and we're a two-point conversion
30:15
Speaker 2: away from forcing overtime. We can beat these guys and
30:17
Speaker 2: you can be in the playoffs. And then because Matt
30:20
Speaker 2: Campbell's gone, nobody pays attention to Iowa State anymore. Their
30:22
Speaker 2: only loss is a close loss to Iowa. They've got
30:25
Speaker 2: Utah at their place this week. Again, conference game. All
30:28
Speaker 2: that matters is conference for Houston and Iowa State. You're
30:30
Speaker 2: not going to get an at-large bid. So all that
30:32
Speaker 2: matters is conference now. So that Iowa loss, it's a rivalry.
30:36
Speaker 2: I get it. But you can flush that if you
30:38
Speaker 2: beat Utah. And now you're alive in the Big 12
30:41
Speaker 2: race with a chance to go to the playoffs. Long
30:43
Speaker 2: shot for Iowa State. A little less of a long
30:44
Speaker 2: shot for Houston. But there again, I think both those
30:47
Speaker 2: teams are still alive. Really good list.
30:49
Speaker 3: Thank you.
30:49
Speaker 2: Really good list. With an upset on there, too.
30:52
Speaker 1: I'm going LSU gets the biggest bounce back win at
30:55
Speaker 1: home against Texas A & M. I just think the
30:58
Speaker 1: Texas A & M offense is broken.
31:01
Speaker 2: Broken.
31:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:03
Speaker 2: It does look that way.
31:03
Speaker 1: And so you're going to go on the road Saturday
31:06
Speaker 1: night in Death Valley and LSU gets– there wasn't– it
31:10
Speaker 1: was a loss for LSU.
31:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:12
Speaker 1: But there was nothing alarming in that loss. I know
31:14
Speaker 1: you guys will harp on Sam Levitt this or Sam
31:16
Speaker 1: Levitt that.
31:17
Speaker 2: He's turning it over a lot.
31:17
Speaker 1: But I don't think enough was broken. And that defense
31:21
Speaker 1: shut down Ole Miss except for one broken play that
31:25
Speaker 1: Trinidad turned into a touchdown. So LSU bounces back for me.
31:29
Speaker 1: Oregon bounces back for me. I think they were already
31:34
Speaker 1: looking ahead to this USC game even when they lost
31:36
Speaker 1: in Stillwater. And to your concern about Houston going to
31:40
Speaker 1: Statesboro and Georgia Southern, I think Oregon went to Oklahoma
31:44
Speaker 1: State without the right mindset.
31:45
Speaker 2: They didn't put the work in during the week. It
31:47
Speaker 2: looked like it. They got whacked.
31:49
Speaker 1: Here's my upset of the week. Wisconsin gets a big
31:52
Speaker 1: bounce back win. They played Ohio State. Excuse me, they
31:55
Speaker 1: played Notre Dame. Good for a half.
31:58
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
31:58
Speaker 1: And this is a better Wisconsin team than we've seen
32:01
Speaker 1: in recent years, and I think they're on the road
32:03
Speaker 1: at Penn State.
32:03
Speaker 2: Is it in Happy Valley?
32:04
Speaker 1: It is in Happy Valley. So it's a road game
32:06
Speaker 1: Wisconsin-Happy Valley. Almost my upset alert this week, but I
32:11
Speaker 1: played it safe with Sac State.
32:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a Peacock game, by the way. You
32:14
Speaker 2: stream that one on the Peacock at 4 o'clock Central Time,
32:17
Speaker 2: Wisconsin at Penn State. Wisconsin at Penn State.
32:19
Speaker 1: And I put Auburn on here with a bounce-back win.
32:22
Speaker 1: And people are going to say, Jim– They're playing Vanderbilt.
32:25
Speaker 2: Jim, they are playing Vanderbilt. Auburn at home, they should
32:29
Speaker 2: beat Vanderbilt. Should. This Fandy team, unbeaten, by the way,
32:33
Speaker 2: not overly impressive and lucky in some.
32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:36
Speaker 2: But they play pretty good defense. And I put Auburn on.
32:40
Speaker 1: Here as a big bounce-back win for this reason. Losing
32:44
Speaker 1: to Florida the other night is not derailing anything.
32:47
Speaker 2: Alex Golish is doing yet. But a loss to Vandy.
32:51
Speaker 2: Now you've got two straight losses with challenging October. That's right.
32:54
Speaker 1: But still, all those games left in a first year
32:59
Speaker 1: for a program that's been a while. Since they've had
33:02
Speaker 1: a year that they can feel good about. So I
33:05
Speaker 1: won't use the word must win for Alex Golish this weekend.
33:09
Speaker 1: But this is a pretty important win as far as
33:11
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt games go. And has Vandy beaten Auburn two straight years?
33:17
Speaker 2: Vandy... Is that right, Scott? That is correct. Brooks, Vandy
33:21
Speaker 2: holds the all-time overall. Yeah, but I'm currently doing the
33:23
Speaker 2: all-time series graphic right now. Two wins the last two
33:27
Speaker 2: years gives Vandy the all-time series lead, 23-22. Wow. Put
33:33
Speaker 2: our watermark on there very large, Brooks. Almost like you
33:36
Speaker 2: couldn't remove it. Kind of makes it ugly when you
33:38
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, okay. Then don't. I mean, so there's a...
33:43
Speaker 2: There's a famous movie that I accidentally watched in black
33:46
Speaker 2: and white.
33:47
Speaker 3: Okay.
33:48
Speaker 2: By accident. By accident, yeah. You had a choice? No, no, no, no.
33:51
Speaker 2: I've told the story before, but this is back in
33:53
Speaker 2: the DVD days. And I'd gotten a new TV, or
33:55
Speaker 2: a new DVD player, I think. And I was having
33:57
Speaker 2: to hook it up. And you remember you used to
33:59
Speaker 2: have the... The little prongs that plugged in. Yeah, yeah.
34:02
Speaker 2: And I didn't get it all the way plugged in,
34:04
Speaker 2: so it was in black and white. Well, the first
34:06
Speaker 2: DVD I watched on it was... Oh, what's the name
34:10
Speaker 2: of the movie? Monster's Ball. In black and white. In
34:13
Speaker 2: black and white. And there's a famous scene in Monster's
34:15
Speaker 2: Ball with Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton. Oh, I
34:20
Speaker 2: was thinking of Monster's Inc., Very, very different movies. That
34:25
Speaker 2: scene would look a lot different. Yeah, that scene would
34:27
Speaker 2: be much different. Mike Wazowski. One of them was animation.
34:31
Speaker 3: Would that change the rating of that movie?
34:33
Speaker 2: A little bit, yes. One of them was animation, and
34:35
Speaker 2: one got animated. Correct, yes. So anyway, I watched Monsters Ball,
34:39
Speaker 2: and it's accidentally in black and white, and I just
34:42
Speaker 2: thought they were trying to be super artsy, and I
34:44
Speaker 2: watched the whole thing in black and white. But there's
34:47
Speaker 2: that famous scene in there, and Halle Berry is just saying,
34:50
Speaker 2: all she wants to do is feel good. That's right.
34:52
Speaker 2: Just make me feel good. Just make me feel good.
34:53
Speaker 2: As most cartoons go. I don't remember Mike Wazowski saying that.
34:58
Speaker 2: Just make me feel good. So Halle Berry just wants
35:00
Speaker 2: to feel good. Just make me feel good. So Scott,
35:02
Speaker 2: when's the last time you felt good? No, no, no.
35:08
Speaker 2: I didn't finish the question. That's a personal question. I
35:10
Speaker 2: did not finish the question. In what context? I was
35:13
Speaker 2: going to tell you, and you all started laughing. Halle
35:15
Speaker 2: Berry sex to Auburn football. That's it. It's the longest transition.
35:20
Speaker 2: When is the last time, Scott, as an Auburn fan,
35:22
Speaker 2: you felt good?
35:23
Speaker 3: Oh.
35:26
Speaker 2: That's been a while, right? As an Auburn football fan.
35:28
Speaker 2: Auburn football fan, not basketball. I know you were hanging
35:29
Speaker 2: your NIL banner on baseball.
35:31
Speaker 3: This past year.
35:32
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. I forgot about that. He
35:33
Speaker 2: literally said in the back room, I don't care if
35:36
Speaker 2: we give every bit of our NIL dollars to baseball.
35:39
Speaker 2: That's sadly where I am. I mean, it has been
35:41
Speaker 2: a while. Even with basketball right now. But I really, Scott,
35:44
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a Vanderbilt outcome that can make
35:46
Speaker 2: Auburn fans walk out of Jordan-Hare Stadium Saturday feeling good, right?
35:49
Speaker 2: There's not. You feel better. You got to see a win,
35:52
Speaker 2: but you don't feel good. And I just, I mean,
35:55
Speaker 2: that's the plight of the Auburn fan right now, Dunaway.
35:57
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since they've felt good. I
35:59
Speaker 2: don't even know what the answer is to that question.
36:01
Speaker 2: 2019 Iron Bowl? That's probably it.
36:03
Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah.
36:05
Speaker 2: I mean, you haven't won the Iron Bowl since then.
36:06
Speaker 2: 10-win team? Yeah. That was probably it, the 2019 Iron Bowl.
36:11
Speaker 2: The fake. Or they were 9-3. They lost their ballgame. Yeah.
36:15
Speaker 2: So it's been a while.
36:15
Speaker 1: To come full circle with Lane Kiffin. Lane brought Ole
36:19
Speaker 1: Miss in and Harsin beat them. I was there on
36:21
Speaker 1: a Saturday night at Jordan-Harris Stadium and the fans seemed
36:24
Speaker 1: pretty happy.
36:25
Speaker 2: They were happy. I mean, Carnell Williams coached that game
36:28
Speaker 2: against A & M and the fans rushed the field
36:29
Speaker 2: after the game. But I don't think you, that was
36:32
Speaker 2: a night where, oh, that felt good to win, but
36:34
Speaker 2: you didn't leave there feeling good about your program. I mean,
36:37
Speaker 2: Auburn fans have not felt good about their program in
36:39
Speaker 2: a long time. And again, I don't think a Vandy
36:40
Speaker 2: win does that, but my point was going to be, Jim,
36:42
Speaker 2: and I have gone a long way to get to
36:43
Speaker 2: this point, I do not deny it, but a Vandy loss,
36:49
Speaker 2: and boy, I mean, you walk out of Jordan-Hare like,
36:52
Speaker 2: how far down are we right now? And it's definitely
36:56
Speaker 2: a losable game. I mean, they could lose that game. Yeah,
36:59
Speaker 2: how quickly, and I'm sorry to put you on the spot, Forrester,
37:02
Speaker 2: how quickly can you give me the SEC power ratings
37:04
Speaker 2: we showed on the show yesterday? And if it's not
37:08
Speaker 2: sport and state designed, I apologize. Here it is. Auburn
37:14
Speaker 2: is 13th in our ranking and Vandy's 15th.
37:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:18
Speaker 2: I had them 14, by the way. You had Auburn
37:22
Speaker 2: or Vandy? I had Auburn 14, Vandy 15. I had
37:27
Speaker 2: South Carolina 15, Vandy.
37:30
Speaker 1: 14, Auburn 13, I believe. It's close to in the
37:34
Speaker 1: neighborhood of what I had. But anyway, it's about as
37:37
Speaker 1: important of a game you can have between two teams
37:40
Speaker 1: on that bottom line.
37:41
Speaker 3: This weekend.
37:42
Speaker 2: I would agree. I mean, less so for Vandy because
37:45
Speaker 2: they are undefeated. Conference road loss is that big. But Auburn,
37:48
Speaker 2: you're a nine and a half point favorite. And that
37:52
Speaker 2: game Saturday night was not as close as the score
37:54
Speaker 2: would indicate. Auburn fans did not walk out of Jordan
37:56
Speaker 2: here feeling like, well, we almost beat Florida.
37:58
Speaker 1: Here's why this is a good win, though. Vandy's defense
38:01
Speaker 1: is pretty darn good. And Auburn's offense has been having
38:04
Speaker 1: some protection issues.
38:05
Speaker 2: Correct.
38:06
Speaker 1: Some running the football issues. And I think some turnover issues.
38:11
Speaker 1: And that's where the path to Vandy winning the game is.
38:15
Speaker 1: So if you win the game if you're Auburn, then
38:17
Speaker 1: you've corrected some of your problems. And that's why I
38:20
Speaker 1: think it's a good bounce-back win for Auburn this weekend.
38:22
Speaker 2: Do you guys think that's a weird line? Nine and
38:24
Speaker 2: a half does seem a bit high to me. I
38:26
Speaker 2: think that's steep. To me, that tells you Vegas thinks that...
38:31
Speaker 2: Auburn's going to run. Auburn's going to run it. But
38:33
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, Scott. If the last play
38:35
Speaker 2: doesn't happen and Vandy's coming off a loss to NC State,
38:38
Speaker 2: doesn't nine and a half feel about right? Feels about right. Yeah.
38:41
Speaker 2: And that's really the way the game went. Yeah, I
38:42
Speaker 2: think Vegas looked at that and was like, we're going
38:44
Speaker 2: to ignore. And in fact, it might actually help Auburn
38:47
Speaker 2: that that game ended that way because all the focus
38:50
Speaker 2: on that and maybe a false sense of security out
38:53
Speaker 2: of Vanderbilt players. Hey, with that in.
38:54
Speaker 1: Mind, in our final segment here on Sport and State
38:57
Speaker 1: of this part of our four-hour show today, I want
38:59
Speaker 1: to ask the question, Is there some playoff elimination games
39:04
Speaker 1: this weekend for one team particularly that everyone had in
39:10
Speaker 1: their college football playoff? Is it an elimination game this weekend?
39:13
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and hear from a coach that's
39:16
Speaker 1: got another big game this weekend in our final segment
39:19
Speaker 1: today of the next round on the Sporting State platform
39:22
Speaker 1: presented by Hard Rock Bat. Final segment of our Sporting
39:26
Speaker 1: State part of the day. Again, two more hours on
39:29
Speaker 1: the next round. round platform coming up. I did want
39:32
Speaker 1: to point this out. I saw this stat bouncing around.
39:36
Speaker 1: I want your quick reaction. If these are true, maybe
39:41
Speaker 1: Brooks can give us this graphic at some point down
39:43
Speaker 1: the road this week. Lane Kiffin's top 25 loss this
39:46
Speaker 1: past weekend. And if you've already sent this out, Brooks,
39:49
Speaker 1: I apologize. He's now 13-26 is the number I saw.
39:53
Speaker 2: That is, I think, the number I saw as well.
39:56
Speaker 2: But I saw him compared to someone. Are you about
39:57
Speaker 2: to make a comparison?
39:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:58
Speaker 2: He is behind Brett Bielema. That's right.
40:01
Speaker 1: Who is 23-45 and tied with Houston Nutt, who is
40:06
Speaker 1: 20-40 in his time as a coach.
40:08
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird that those were the two
40:09
Speaker 2: they picked. I don't know why they picked Brett Bielema
40:11
Speaker 2: and Houston Nutt, two former Arkansas coaches.
40:14
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's tied with one and he's behind another.
40:17
Speaker 1: So I think that's just where he was falling in
40:21
Speaker 1: coaches against top 25 teams.
40:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:23
Speaker 2: And now Bielema actually probably was fairly good against the
40:26
Speaker 2: top 25 at Wisconsin, not at Arkansas, though.
40:29
Speaker 1: He's got a big one with Ohio State this weekend.
40:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:32
Speaker 2: And they're obviously big underdogs. Fox big noon. Klatt with
40:35
Speaker 2: us tomorrow. He had a commercial shoot Monday, so he's
40:38
Speaker 2: with us tomorrow. I would. I mean, do you view
40:43
Speaker 2: those coaches as... I remember this.
40:47
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin is considered to be one of the best
40:50
Speaker 1: in the business right now. And Lance always points out
40:53
Speaker 1: to me that he has been underwhelming in big games.
40:58
Speaker 2: He has been. I mean, those numbers tell you that, right?
41:00
Speaker 2: That's right. I'll say this about Houston Nutt. I don't
41:02
Speaker 2: know if you remember this like I do, but 2008 Alabama-Georgia,
41:07
Speaker 2: the blackout game, you and I were over in Athens
41:09
Speaker 2: at Sanford Stadium. That was the day that Houston and
41:12
Speaker 2: Ole Miss upset Tim Tebow in Florida in the swamp.
41:15
Speaker 2: And Georgia, of course, Athens was going crazy over that
41:18
Speaker 2: because they were thinking, hey, here goes our arch rival.
41:21
Speaker 2: We're about to beat Alabama. We're going to be the
41:23
Speaker 2: number one team in the nation, and Florida's out of
41:25
Speaker 2: the way now, maybe. And I remember we got in
41:27
Speaker 2: the press box before that game, and the Alabama team
41:30
Speaker 2: had showed up, and some of the Alabama coaches and
41:31
Speaker 2: people were in the press box. And I asked one
41:33
Speaker 2: of them, did you guys happen to see the end
41:37
Speaker 2: of that Florida-Ole Miss game? And they're like, yeah. And
41:40
Speaker 2: that person said, Coach thinks Houston Nutt does more with
41:44
Speaker 2: less than anybody in the conference. I was like, wow,
41:47
Speaker 2: Nick Saban has that kind of respect for Houston Nutt?
41:49
Speaker 2: I was a little surprised by that, but it has
41:51
Speaker 2: always stuck with me that somebody on Alabama staff would
41:55
Speaker 2: have told me that Nick Saban had that much respect
41:58
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42:02
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43:14
Speaker 1: Pete Golding's got a job to do this week, bringing
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Speaker 1: his guys back down from that big win over LSU
43:21
Speaker 1: and packing up, taking them on the road to the
43:24
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43:28
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Speaker 1: his team back down from the clouds after beating LSU.
43:38
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these games on this schedule,
43:41
Speaker 4: you're going to have to be at your best, whatever
43:43
Speaker 4: that looks like.
43:44
Speaker 3: It ain't perfect, right?
43:45
Speaker 4: And there's several things in that LSU tape when you
43:48
Speaker 4: watch it that could have gone the other way that
43:50
Speaker 4: they didn't take advantage of. And those are the things
43:52
Speaker 4: that we're talking in week in and week out. You've
43:54
Speaker 4: got to stop putting those things on tape because they're
43:57
Speaker 4: going to have those weak. They're going to take advantage
43:59
Speaker 4: of them, and it's not going to look the same
44:00
Speaker 4: at the end. So I think that message obviously was
44:06
Speaker 4: taken yesterday, but I think you kind of start all
44:08
Speaker 4: over with these guys every day, man. So when they
44:11
Speaker 4: come back, you've got to re-hit the message and refocus.
44:15
Speaker 4: But I think they understand if their attention to detail
44:18
Speaker 4: is not there, and they don't prepare and they don't
44:21
Speaker 4: practice extremely hard, then it's tough to win in this league.
44:24
Speaker 4: I don't care who you're playing. And so, you know,
44:27
Speaker 4: to me, my last memory of going to this place
44:30
Speaker 4: was being number 14 in the country versus a five
44:32
Speaker 4: and five football team and getting beat, right? Much less
44:35
Speaker 4: being a top 25 team like they are right now, right?
44:38
Speaker 4: And them being a top 25 team in their home place,
44:40
Speaker 4: they're 80% win percentage in the last 10 years. That's
44:42
Speaker 4: a hard place to play. So if they're overlooking anybody,
44:46
Speaker 4: and they're reading all their shit for this week, there's
44:48
Speaker 4: something wrong with them.
44:50
Speaker 2: He's never going to change. He referenced maybe you brought
44:53
Speaker 2: up Lane Kiffin's record. Maybe Lane Kiffin's worst loss as
44:55
Speaker 2: a head coach. They go to that Florida game. I
44:58
Speaker 2: think it was the next to last week of the season.
44:59
Speaker 2: Kentucky at home, second worst loss. Well, the Kentucky at home,
45:03
Speaker 2: they were still going to overcome. All they got to
45:05
Speaker 2: do is go beat that 5-5 Florida team in the swamp,
45:08
Speaker 2: and they lose that game, and it kicks them out
45:10
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. They're going to the playoffs if they
45:11
Speaker 2: can win that game. They had survived the Kentucky loss,
45:14
Speaker 2: and that, in hindsight, was a terrible loss. There's no doubt,
45:16
Speaker 2: and you lost that one at home. Either one, you win,
45:19
Speaker 2: you're probably in the playoffs, but they certainly were if
45:21
Speaker 2: they won that Florida game. Good news, to his point,
45:24
Speaker 2: this ain't that same Florida. Well, bad news, it ain't
45:26
Speaker 2: that same Florida team, but good news is, as far
45:28
Speaker 2: as getting your team's attention, this will be one of
45:33
Speaker 2: the most difficult coaching jobs Pete Golding will ever have
45:35
Speaker 2: in his career. And all the guy's done is coach
45:37
Speaker 2: against top 25 teams. He's coached playoff games. He's coached
45:40
Speaker 2: against Louisville in a neutral side and LSU on his
45:43
Speaker 2: home field. I mean, the dude has coached nothing but
45:45
Speaker 2: tough teams. Helped out by a little bit, though.
45:47
Speaker 1: The fact that the people that do odds, like our
45:51
Speaker 1: friends at Hard Rock Bet, Made him the underdog.
45:55
Speaker 2: That helped a little bit. I would have to think.
45:57
Speaker 2: He's referenced it, so you know that it's on his mind,
46:01
Speaker 2: which means he's probably brought it up to his team.
46:03
Speaker 2: He's referenced it. I mean, in a sense, you would
46:07
Speaker 2: think you won't have trouble getting your team's attention for
46:09
Speaker 2: this game, but I just can't imagine how these guys
46:13
Speaker 2: have been celebrated as heroes all week. I can't imagine
46:15
Speaker 2: what campus has been like at Ole Miss this week.
46:19
Speaker 2: And your team lives in that environment, and it's hard–
46:23
Speaker 2: to reprogram them to, guys, I know we won a
46:27
Speaker 2: big game last week that everybody had anticipated all offseason,
46:30
Speaker 2: but this game is every bit as difficult, if not
46:33
Speaker 2: more difficult, than that one. Do you think you could
46:35
Speaker 2: get an Ole Miss player to believe beating Florida is
46:37
Speaker 2: more difficult than beating LSU? No, not one of them.
46:41
Speaker 2: But Las Vegas is telling you it is, for whatever
46:43
Speaker 2: that's worth. And I'm sure Pete Golding's eyes, when he
46:46
Speaker 2: watches the film, are telling you it is. When we
46:48
Speaker 2: get to our first segment of the next round coming up,
46:51
Speaker 2: that next round live on YouTube, We'll hear from John
46:54
Speaker 2: Summerall talking about what kind of environment he expects in
46:58
Speaker 2: Gainesville this weekend with Ole Miss coming to town for Florida,
47:02
Speaker 2: who is now good at working the cut and also
47:08
Speaker 2: a playoff contender. So we'll talk about that coming up
47:11
Speaker 2: in just a second. There is an absolute, in my opinion,
47:15
Speaker 2: elimination game. If one team loses this weekend in college football.
47:20
Speaker 2: I'm going to argue with you on this. And it's
47:22
Speaker 2: the Oregon Ducks. Yeah. I don't think you're right. I
47:24
Speaker 2: don't think they come back.
47:25
Speaker 3: Well.
47:26
Speaker 2: I don't think they come back if they lose this game. Now,
47:28
Speaker 2: that could be true that they're not able to pick
47:30
Speaker 2: themselves back up. No, I know what you're going to say.
47:33
Speaker 2: Oregon losing to Oklahoma State is like Alabama losing to
47:35
Speaker 2: Florida State.
47:36
Speaker 3: Yep.
47:36
Speaker 2: And they can come back and win the Big Ten.
47:38
Speaker 2: That's right. They're automatically in. But you're not saying that. Okay, okay.
47:40
Speaker 3: I got you.
47:41
Speaker 2: It's all true.
47:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
47:42
Speaker 1: I don't think Oregon bounces back and becomes a playoff
47:45
Speaker 1: team if they lose this week in the USC. It
47:48
Speaker 1: is going to be really tough because here's the truth
47:51
Speaker 1: of it. If they lose this game, they really have
47:54
Speaker 1: no margin for error to take on another loss. Now,
47:57
Speaker 1: that's if you think there's an undefeated and a one-loss
48:01
Speaker 1: team in the Big Ten or two one-loss teams. But
48:03
Speaker 1: the remainder of their schedule, I mean, you've still got
48:07
Speaker 1: to go to Ohio State. You've still got to host Michigan.
48:09
Speaker 1: I mean, when you start looking at the rest of
48:11
Speaker 1: their schedule....
48:13
Speaker 2: This is probably the second most difficult game they have left.
48:16
Speaker 3: Behind Ohio State.
48:17
Speaker 2: Behind at Ohio State. Because the rest of their schedule
48:20
Speaker 2: is UCLA at home, Nebraska at home, Illinois on the road,
48:24
Speaker 2: tricky game, Northwestern at home, at Ohio State, Michigan at home,
48:28
Speaker 2: at Michigan State, Washington at home. This is your second
48:32
Speaker 2: most difficult remaining game here. So if you lose this one,
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Speaker 2: the good news is you've still got the rest of
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Speaker 2: your schedule that is less than this other than one game,
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Speaker 2: but you're going to have to win that game. you're
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Speaker 2: going to have to win at Ohio state if you
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Speaker 2: lose this one. And that's, that's the bad news here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And if you, if you lose to Ohio state, now
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Speaker 1: you've got that Oklahoma state loss, you've got two conference
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Speaker 1: losses and you're a three loss team. You're not a
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Speaker 1: very attractive three loss team. They're going to be a
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Speaker 1: lot of attractive three loss sec team.
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Speaker 2: And you, I just read you the teams they played.
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Speaker 2: So who are your big wins there? You know, Portland state, Boise, UCLA, Nebraska, Illinois, Northway,
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Speaker 2: not a lot of big wins on there either. So
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Speaker 2: it's not like you're going to have a great resume
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Speaker 2: if you're Oregon. Um, I would tend to agree with you.
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Speaker 2: If you look past the fact that they could lose
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Speaker 2: this game and still win the Big Ten and automatically
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Speaker 2: get in, if they lose this game... all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden it is an absolute must Saturday November 7th you
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Speaker 2: can't lose anything else and you have to win that
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Speaker 2: game at Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: Were you surprised that LSU Ole Miss did not become
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Speaker 1: the most watched game in college football. They ended up
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Speaker 1: the second most watched.
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Speaker 2: Of the season, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of the season. 10.9 million, still behind Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: Texas at 13.99 million. It's the second most watched game.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the lightning delay of a very popular team, Alabama,
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Speaker 1: bleeding into that window hurt them a little bit? Because
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Speaker 1: Florida State, Alabama is the one, two, three, four, five,
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Speaker 1: six most watched game this year in college football. Normally,
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Speaker 1: Alabama being down is really good TV, right? Alabama being
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Speaker 1: behind is good for TV ratings. People tune in to
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Speaker 1: see that. So that's going to naturally take some numbers away.
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Speaker 1: Seven million people delayed Florida State Alabama.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And it bumped. So, I mean, you had
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Speaker 2: to hunt to find it if you're digging around. But
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Speaker 2: it bumped Oklahoma and New Mexico off of ESPN, too.
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Speaker 2: So they moved it to ESPN, too. But at that time,
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Speaker 2: you had it going head-to-head. When that game was still
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Speaker 2: in doubt, Bama and Florida State was still in doubt
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Speaker 2: when LSU and Ole Miss kicked. Yeah, and a pretty
50:34
Speaker 2: good Florida- Auburn game.
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Speaker 1: Auburn game going on at the same time. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: show up in the top rankings, top ten.
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Speaker 2: And even though it's not a great game- With Notre
50:43
Speaker 2: Dame playing head-to-head, Notre Dame gets some TV numbers. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what number that did, but, I mean, Notre
50:49
Speaker 2: Dame pulls some TV numbers just by being Notre Dame.
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Speaker 2: But I was surprised that Florida State-Alabama, with the delay,
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Speaker 2: is the second most watched game of the weekend. And
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Speaker 2: I was surprised— You still had Alabama trailing. Surprised a
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Speaker 2: little bit that the number was so low for LSU
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Speaker 2: and Ole Miss, and then way down the 10th most
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Speaker 2: watched game. I hate that that— great football game was
51:12
Speaker 2: buried opposite of LSU Ole Miss and second half of
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Speaker 2: Alabama Florida Auburn with that great atmosphere Jordan Hare the
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Speaker 2: 10th most watched game just a little over 2 million
51:25
Speaker 2: how did enough people watch Georgia Arkansas to keep that
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Speaker 2: number four that was an unwatchable game yeah just just
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Speaker 2: the window they were in I guess yeah they were
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Speaker 2: in that 11 a.m. window and they're you know NC
51:35
Speaker 2: our North.
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Speaker 1: Carolina and Clemson were there but they had a massive
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Speaker 1: delay as well yeah I mean imagine if Florida-Auburn had
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Speaker 1: been 11 o'clock. I know it would have taken away
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Speaker 1: from the electricity inside Jordan-Hare Stadium.
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Speaker 2: But it would have probably been number three. It would
51:46
Speaker 2: have probably been where Kentucky A & M is. I
51:48
Speaker 2: would agree. Would have bounced way up in that department there.
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Speaker 1: Just a little TV ratings from this past week, but
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Speaker 1: still the most watched game is not LSU-Ole Miss in
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Speaker 1: the country for the season. It's Ohio State-Texas from two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. We'll see if somebody can pass that 13.99
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Speaker 1: million mark this year. All right, that's our show today.
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52:24
Speaker 2: Alabama and Auburn conversation. Biggest concern for Auburn, is it
52:29
Speaker 2: the offense or the defense? And for Alabama, what's the
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Speaker 2: the next round continues.