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Patrick Frazee's rodeo 'friend' to testify against him in missing mom Kelsey Berreth case; Little girl lost in cold woods after running from children’s home; Texas wife gunned down while raising cash for anniversary trip · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, But first this crime online dot
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Speaker 1: com news update. I'm Alan Duke, the Idaho nurse who
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Speaker 1: met Patrick Frazy at a rodeo then began a relationship
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Speaker 1: with the accused. Keller pleaded guilty Friday to tampering with
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Speaker 1: evidence in the investigation into missing Colorado mom Kelsey Beareth.
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Speaker 1: Frazy is facing a murder charge in Barrett's disappearance, as
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Speaker 1: police believe she's dead, although her remains have not been
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Speaker 1: yet located. Lee admitted to tampering with Barrett's cell phone
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Speaker 1: after she disappeared from Woodland Park, Colorado, Thanksgiving Day. That
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Speaker 1: phone later paying hundreds of miles away in Idaho, near
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Speaker 1: Lee's Twin Falls home. District Attorney Dan May spoke to
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Speaker 1: reporters a short time ago, right after Lee appeared in
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Speaker 1: a Colorado courtroom to enter a guilty plea part of
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Speaker 1: a deal with prosecutors in which she will apparently testify
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Speaker 1: against Phrasey. As you saw this morning, Krystallie played guilty
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Speaker 1: to a Class six felony tampering with physical evidence. It
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Speaker 1: carries a penalty in the presumptive range of up to
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Speaker 1: eighteen months in prison. In the aggravated range up to
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Speaker 1: three years in prison, and that's by state law. By
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Speaker 1: state law, it is not a mandatory sentencing type charge,
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Speaker 1: so that actually the judge has a choice of anywhere
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Speaker 1: from probation on up to that three years if the
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Speaker 1: judge finds aggravation. In this particular case, we have postponed
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Speaker 1: sentencing until after any hearings or trials are done on
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Speaker 1: any other related matters, certainly that would include the Patrick
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Speaker 1: Crazy charges. At this time, he has presumed innocent unless
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Speaker 1: until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. We have agreed, though,
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Speaker 1: by our agreement, that she will not be sentenced until
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Speaker 1: after all trials are completed. You heard the judge say
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Speaker 1: that could be six months from now, that could be
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Speaker 1: two years from now. It's we really don't know. She
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Speaker 1: is to appear in the future periodically through reviews. The
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Speaker 1: court has allowed her to do that by phone in
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Speaker 1: those reviews until such time as we get up towards sentencing.
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Speaker 1: On her particular case, she did read into the record
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Speaker 1: a factual basis, which is also required by Colorado law.
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Speaker 1: I do have a copy of that, but I assume
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Speaker 1: you've all got that on camera, and I don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: need to repeat that. The judge at put certain terms
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Speaker 1: of the agreement on the record, such as she is
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Speaker 1: required to cooperate in all cases, she is required to
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Speaker 1: testify if called upon to testify in all cases, and
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Speaker 1: in particular obviously, he referenced the Patrick Crazy case that
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Speaker 1: is currently set for February nineteenth for preliminary hearing at
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock. She is not allowed to talk to the press.
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Speaker 1: That is actually part of our agreement that she is
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Speaker 1: not allowed to do that. So she will be making
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Speaker 1: no comments at all to the press or it will
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Speaker 1: be a violation of that agreement. Any questions that people
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Speaker 1: have beyond that, she indicated on the record that she
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Speaker 1: actually I'll give the specific phrasing that she said. She said,
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Speaker 1: I moved the victim's cell phone with the intent to
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Speaker 1: impair the phone's availability in the investigation. I had no
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Speaker 1: right or authority to move the victim's cell phone. That
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Speaker 1: occurred between November twenty fourth and November twenty fifth, twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: in Teller County. And that's as much as she said today.
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Speaker 1: What she stated today, she read a statement. You probably
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Speaker 1: saw her holding it in there. She said, I learned
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Speaker 1: that Patrick fre had committed a homicide and approximately November
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Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty eighteen, in Teller County, I knew that
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Speaker 1: law enforcement would be investigating that crime. I moved the
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Speaker 1: victim's cell phone with the intent to impair the phone's
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Speaker 1: availability in the investigation. I had no right or authority
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Speaker 1: to move the victim's cell phone. That occurred between November
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Speaker 1: twenty fourth and November twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, in Teller County.
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Speaker 1: That's a statement sheve on the record today right now. Again,
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Speaker 1: there's been nothing put on the record of where the
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Speaker 1: phone is today, and I'm not going to comment on that.
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Speaker 1: Can she help you locate to the body? Again, there's
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Speaker 1: been nothing put on the record, and I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to comment on that comment. So why did you agree
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Speaker 1: to the plead? She's asking, why did we agree to
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Speaker 1: a plead? I don't know that I can comment on
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Speaker 1: that at this time. I think it's a fair question.
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Speaker 1: I'm just being cautious ethically because I think you and
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Speaker 1: certainly others in the public may It's a very fair
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Speaker 1: question and one that I think the public deserves an
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Speaker 1: answer on. I just don't think today's the date to
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Speaker 1: answer that. I think that's a question I would feel
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Speaker 1: more comfortable answering here in just what is a ten
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Speaker 1: days to week something like that? Parents at excuse me?
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Speaker 1: Can you use an not data on the search? I can.
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Speaker 1: His question is can I get a given update of
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Speaker 1: the search for Kelsey's body? Again, that's not something I
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Speaker 1: can comment on it. Maybe something you could ask the
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Speaker 1: police department about. I would Empark Police Department, but I
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Speaker 1: have I have a very strong feeling that they're going
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Speaker 1: to say the same thing I am right now, which
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Speaker 1: they can't come. Can you it was a little hard
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Speaker 1: to hear for it. Can you go over what we
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Speaker 1: do know about the damniga? Just from what was talked about? Sure,
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Speaker 1: it was put on the record that the summary was
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Speaker 1: she did plead guilty to a Class six felony tampering
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Speaker 1: with physical evidence, that she is required to cooperate. The
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Speaker 1: judge asked which she required to cooperate with the investigators
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Speaker 1: and prosecution at any time, and it was indicated she is.
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Speaker 1: The judge j asked is she required to testify in
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Speaker 1: the future at any dates that she's asked to testify,
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Speaker 1: and it was indicated she is required to do that
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Speaker 1: it did. The judge a noted on the record that
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Speaker 1: she's not allowed to talk to the press as part
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Speaker 1: of her plea agreement. That he did state that sentencing
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Speaker 1: will be both sponed until after any cases that are
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Speaker 1: involved in this case, and that that could be anywhere
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Speaker 1: from six months to two years. Keep up with the
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Benworth murder investigation at Nancy Grace's crime and Justice
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Speaker 1: Authorities in Rockerville are searching for a nine year old
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Speaker 1: girl who went missing earlier today. Nine year old Serenity
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Speaker 1: Dinner was last spotted leaving the Children's Home Society on
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Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road around eleven twenty this morning. Dinner at
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Speaker 1: is seven is four seven ninety pounds, with blue eye
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Speaker 1: and shoulder length a dirty blonde hair. She was last
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Speaker 1: seen wearing a long sleeved gray shirt with flowers, blue
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Speaker 1: jeans and snow boots. Temperatures are expected to drop below
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Speaker 1: zero tonight. If anyone has any information regarding her whereabouts,
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Speaker 1: please contact the Pings And County Sheriff's Office at six
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Speaker 1: oh five three nine four six one one five. Where
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Speaker 1: is Serenity Dinner? The Little girl has been the focus
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Speaker 1: of a search. She disappeared without a coat. The sheriff
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Speaker 1: claims it's quote unlikely she has survived the freezing temperatures,
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Speaker 1: but we are holding out hope. This little girl, just
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Speaker 1: nine years old, runs away from a children's home where
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Speaker 1: she was staying without a coat. I can only imagine
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Speaker 1: why she ran away from the children's home. I mean,
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Speaker 1: see Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us with me Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, doctor
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Speaker 1: Judith Joseph, New York psychiatrist Daryl Cohen, renowned Atlanta criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor. But right now to John Linley,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John, what happened Nancy's
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Speaker 1: Sunday morning? Serenity Denard was playing in the gym inside
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Speaker 1: the Black Hills Children's Home. Serenity and three other children
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Speaker 1: were being supervised by two staff members when one of
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Speaker 1: the other children darted off ran away, and as one
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Speaker 1: staffer was running after that child, Serenity also took off
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Speaker 1: in another direction. Because the remaining staffer was still supervising
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Speaker 1: two other children, they stayed put and called for help
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Speaker 1: rather than follow Serenity. Other staff soon arrived, but Serenity
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Speaker 1: was long gone. That's when the children's home administrators called police.
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Speaker 1: We are on the hunt for a little girl, just
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Speaker 1: nine years old who flees a children's home. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've just been thinking about it so much, and we
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Speaker 1: have been supporting the United Methodist Children's Home for so
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Speaker 1: many years, as well as the Murphy Harp's Home for
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Speaker 1: disturbed children that need extra help, and I'm just wondering
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Speaker 1: about her circumstances and why she would have run away.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Kota TV. A
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Speaker 1: desperate search continues in Pennington County. Search and rescue teams
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Speaker 1: continue looking for nine year old Serenity Denard, who ran
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Speaker 1: from the Black Hills Children's Home on Sunday. Now, in
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Speaker 1: case you're not familiar with the children's home, it's on
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Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road between Rockerville and Keystone, in a fairly remote,
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Speaker 1: mostly wooded area. She was last seen late Sunday morning
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Speaker 1: at the home near Rockerville. The search and rescue teams
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Speaker 1: took three dogs and used handheld thermal imaging device to
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Speaker 1: search for any evidence of the girl. The search went
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Speaker 1: until ten o'clock Sunday night and started back up this
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Speaker 1: morning around six. They say more than sixty five people,
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Speaker 1: four dogs, and a civil Air patrol plane or searching
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Speaker 1: the Rockerville area today. Alexis to villexplains how the weather
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Speaker 1: affected the search and how Dennard ran away from the hall.
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Speaker 1: We just learned deputies are now looking for a couple
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Speaker 1: who may have seen Dennard last A couple was cutting
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Speaker 1: wood near Foster Gulch and South Rockerville Road. They spoke
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Speaker 1: with Children's Home Society staff Sunday morning, just before Dennard
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Speaker 1: was reported missing to police. The couples described to be
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Speaker 1: in their late twenties or early thirties and driving a
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Speaker 1: pickup truck. About sixty five search and rescue members, some
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Speaker 1: with dogs, are scanning the Rockerville area, but the cold
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Speaker 1: weather is still affecting the search. Straight out to Joseph Scott,
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Speaker 1: Morgan and professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, jo Scott, what can
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Speaker 1: they do now to try to find her? They better
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Speaker 1: pray because this environment that she is in is hostile,
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Speaker 1: very hostile. Lots snow, very very cold. They've got the
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Speaker 1: dogs out and I understand They brought dogs in from
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Speaker 1: Colorado as well as the eastern South Dakota to help
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Speaker 1: search for this child. But the problem is is that
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Speaker 1: with the snow and the melting and the refreezing and
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Speaker 1: all that sort of thing is going to create a
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Speaker 1: problem relative to their ability to sense where she might be.
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Speaker 1: My biggest concern for her, Nancy is when she ran away,
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Speaker 1: how was she clothed, And even if she was closed
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Speaker 1: clothed appropriately to a certain degree, that can only last
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Speaker 1: for a very short period of Well, I've got a
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Speaker 1: big problem. I have a big problem that John Limley
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Speaker 1: has not told me about. Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor, current
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Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer. This is what I'm learning. In the
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Speaker 1: last hours. We find out that the little girl runs
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Speaker 1: away from the youth home, but the staff at that
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Speaker 1: rural Pennington County facility call nine one one over an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half after she goes missing. The timeline
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Speaker 1: of the little nine year old girl's disappearance has been
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Speaker 1: confirmed by one of the spokespeople with the Pennington County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office, and the executive director, Bill Colson, who runs
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Speaker 1: it confirmed it. They've been reviewing the events of Sunday
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Speaker 1: and they have confirmed the nine one one called was
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Speaker 1: placed at twelve twenty six when Serender left a staff
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Speaker 1: site on Sunday. They claimed they did a thorough search,
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Speaker 1: but if the story was as Limley told us, which
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Speaker 1: is he's getting from them, that they wouldn't have made
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Speaker 1: a whole search of the whole grounds and waited an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half an hour and a half before
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Speaker 1: they call nine one one Nancy. What troubles me is,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how large the property is for someone
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Speaker 1: or some ones in this instance to search the property
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Speaker 1: and say I can't find her. Clearly, in my view,
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Speaker 1: that should have happened earlier with a nine one one
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Speaker 1: should have gone out. But I'm also troubled by the
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Speaker 1: fact that I suspect this girl has run away before,
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Speaker 1: and they found her in certain areas, so they were
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Speaker 1: probably covering themselves and also thinking we're going to find her.
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Speaker 1: We've found her running away before, and other kids as well.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think this girl has run away before?
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Speaker 1: You got You don't even have a leg to stand on, Darryl.
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Speaker 1: What every time a child is in, for instance, the
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Speaker 1: Methodist home or some other facility, you think they're runaways
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Speaker 1: in their problems because I disagree. Well, I don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: think they've run away. She may have said that this
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Speaker 1: is not unusual. I don't like what you told me,
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go hide and I'll be back later.
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Speaker 1: And maybe I go a little bit further away and
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Speaker 1: extrapolate that someone picked her up, and maybe it's even
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Speaker 1: worse than we perhaps think it is. But there's all
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Speaker 1: sorts of explanations we may never know. Well, this is
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Speaker 1: what else I know. Investigators determine heading to the children's
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Speaker 1: home around eleven a M. Did see her. She was
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Speaker 1: near a cattle guard in front of the home and
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Speaker 1: heading north on South Rockerville Road. And that's my question
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Speaker 1: to doctor's you, Joseph, I guess I need a psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: because when you see a child leaving a youth facility alone,
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do something that was at eleven a m.
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Speaker 1: You know, Auntie, I work with children all the time,
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Speaker 1: and actually running away is quite common, even for kids
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Speaker 1: who are not a children's home. You know children at
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Speaker 1: this because nobody in my family and nobody I have
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Speaker 1: ever known and my personal life has ever run away ever.
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Speaker 1: But you know, it's so there are different degrees of
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Speaker 1: running away. There's running away and hiding, there's running away
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Speaker 1: and leaving the home. There's running away because you have
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Speaker 1: a plan. And I think it's telling that the other
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Speaker 1: child was running away too at the same time, because
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Speaker 1: around this age group, kids developmentally want to hang out
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Speaker 1: in groups and do what their friends are doing, and
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Speaker 1: so they really need to start asking the other kids,
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Speaker 1: you know, what was her plan, because this is around
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Speaker 1: the time in development when you want to do what
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Speaker 1: your friends are doing, and it is quite possible maybe four.
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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes kids in homes like this runaway just
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Speaker 1: to act out, or because they're feeling frustrated, or because
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Speaker 1: they have for coping skills, or sometimes they're in search
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Speaker 1: of their parents who knows the home, or because they're mistreated.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a nine year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: And back to that, the people that saw her leaving
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Speaker 1: by the caliguard, I don't understand why they didn't report it.
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Speaker 1: The tip line is six zero five three nine four
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Speaker 1: six one one five repeat six zero five three nine
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Speaker 1: four six one one five. That's the Pennington County Sheriff's Office.
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Speaker 1: The search continues for missing nine year old Serenity Dennard
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Speaker 1: and Rockerville, who was last seen at the Children's Home Society.
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Speaker 1: Let's head to our Alexis to be all alive near
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Speaker 1: the ongoing search efforts. So Alexis, do we have any
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Speaker 1: new information about Serenity. Pennington County Sheriff's Office is thanking
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Speaker 1: the public for being able to find the couple who
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Speaker 1: was cutting wood. They believe they were the last people
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Speaker 1: to see Serenity Denard. Now they know they've the investagers
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Speaker 1: have talked to them and found out a little bit
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Speaker 1: more details to understand a little bit more of the
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Speaker 1: timeline of what happened. Serenity was last seen on Sunday
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Speaker 1: morning at ten forty five, and they saw her when
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Speaker 1: she ran out of the facility across Rockerville Road and
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Speaker 1: up into the hills. Now they've even added more people
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Speaker 1: to the search and rescue team today. Yesterday was sixty five.
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Speaker 1: Today it's more than one hundred. Now. Over here, I'm
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Speaker 1: actually right beside the gaslight restaurant where they're taking a
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Speaker 1: little break to have their lunch, get warmed up a
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Speaker 1: little bit and try to face the cold once again.
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Speaker 1: I've talked to a few of the newbies who have
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Speaker 1: come some are coming from box El. They're telling me
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Speaker 1: that they're not even really prepared for this cold where
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Speaker 1: they'd said they had the wrong shoes, they didn't have
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Speaker 1: enough layers, so this coal it is really something putting
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Speaker 1: them behind. And it's still a big problem with the search.
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Speaker 1: They've also talked about that. Today they're focusing about a
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Speaker 1: one mile radius around in Rockerville area, still close to
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Speaker 1: the Children's Home Society. They are checking all the neighbors,
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Speaker 1: are going through the hay piles, are going woodpiles, asking
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Speaker 1: people if they can look into that to see if
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Speaker 1: maybe Serenity might be hiding in there. They are also
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Speaker 1: asking the Sheriff's office because also asking people of who
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Speaker 1: hunt if they can check their game cameras maybe there
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Speaker 1: might be any type of footage there that could be
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Speaker 1: helpful to the search. I just don't understand how this
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Speaker 1: little girl got that far away. You're hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: Kelley Schmidt and Alexis v Law at Kota describing the
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Speaker 1: search for a little nine year old Serenity Denard. But
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Speaker 1: now a shadow hanging over the search because there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of confusion surrounding the timeline of our disappearance. Listen
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Speaker 1: to kav and TV. We are learning more about the
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Speaker 1: timeline from when Serenity went missing to when the police
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Speaker 1: were called in search and rescue. It's really ramped up.
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Speaker 1: The first hours had a lot of moving parts and
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Speaker 1: there were some conflicting early reports. Here's what we know today.
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Speaker 1: At ten forty five am Sunday, Serenity was in the
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Speaker 1: gym at the Black Hills Children's Home with two staffers
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Speaker 1: and three other kids. One kid caused a disturbance and
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Speaker 1: a staffer attended to that child. Serenity then ran out
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Speaker 1: of the building. The other staffer stayed with the two
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Speaker 1: other children. At eleven am, Serenity is last seen walking
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Speaker 1: near the home at twelve twenty six pm and nine
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Speaker 1: one one call goes out and Pennington County Sheriff's deputy
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Speaker 1: arrives at twelve forty six. By one sixteen, several deputies
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Speaker 1: are on scene and the decision is made to bring
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Speaker 1: in search and rescue. We reached out repeatedly to the
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Speaker 1: children's home today to ask about the hour and a
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Speaker 1: half between when they say she disappeared and the call
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Speaker 1: went out to nine one one. No one would speak
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Speaker 1: to us, but they did offer this statement. Our hearts
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Speaker 1: hold out hope for the safe return of a wonderful
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Speaker 1: little girl. We are grateful for the efforts of the
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Speaker 1: Pennington County Sheriff's Office and all those who continue to
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Speaker 1: search for Serenity in these difficult winter conditions. The staff
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office had this to say, They got things
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Speaker 1: going on there, They got protocols and stuff that they do.
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Speaker 1: So I can't answer to all that, but what I
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Speaker 1: can tell you is is we responded as quickly as
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Speaker 1: we could once we got the information, once they get
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Speaker 1: the information. John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
20:30
Speaker 1: it sounds to me and that to me, the description
20:33
Speaker 1: is very murky that they actually see Serenity run out
20:37
Speaker 1: of the building, but they sit there on their behunk
20:40
Speaker 1: us and do nothing. Instead of going after her, they say, oh,
20:44
Speaker 1: I had to stay with the two in the building.
20:47
Speaker 1: That's crazy talk. They could have sent the two to
20:50
Speaker 1: their rooms, They could have brought in somebody else and
20:53
Speaker 1: gone after her. Sounds to me like they just didn't
20:56
Speaker 1: want to go out in the cold. According to the
20:58
Speaker 1: Pennington County Raff's Office, as they've been able to tighten
21:02
Speaker 1: this timeline a little bit as we've said Serenity was
21:07
Speaker 1: last seen leaving the facility by the staff around ten
21:11
Speaker 1: forty five. It appears it was just minutes later that
21:15
Speaker 1: that couple that was cutting wood near Foster Gulch and
21:19
Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road they saw her running away. This is
21:26
Speaker 1: just shy of eleven o'clock. They were most likely the
21:31
Speaker 1: last people to have seen Serenity. And after a public
21:36
Speaker 1: plea a couple of days later, the couple get in
21:39
Speaker 1: touch with the police department and they were able to
21:43
Speaker 1: interview this couple, and that's when they were able to
21:47
Speaker 1: actually make more sense out of what is otherwise a
21:50
Speaker 1: confusing set of circumstances and timeline. Again to doctor Judith Joseph,
21:57
Speaker 1: New York psychiatrist, it took them day before they told
22:01
Speaker 1: police what they had seen. I mean, if you can
22:05
Speaker 1: add two plus two and get four, you know, when
22:07
Speaker 1: you see a child running away from a youth facility
22:11
Speaker 1: by themselves in cold temperatures without a coat, that something
22:15
Speaker 1: is wrong. And they did nothing. It's amazing the power
22:18
Speaker 1: of denial and just shock sometimes. And I don't know
22:21
Speaker 1: what they were thinking or what they exactly saw that.
22:25
Speaker 1: You know, most people probably would have notified it's already
22:28
Speaker 1: more a lot sooner than that. And again, we don't
22:31
Speaker 1: know why this child run away. I don't know her motivations.
22:36
Speaker 1: And a lot of time kids of this age have
22:39
Speaker 1: this anty that they're doing something that they're they're really
22:44
Speaker 1: not equipped to do. And you know, it doesn't sound
22:46
Speaker 1: like that she planned this escape very well. It doesn't
22:49
Speaker 1: sound like she had an idea to how to spive
22:53
Speaker 1: these type of temperatures, and so you wonder what was
22:56
Speaker 1: going through her mind and whether or not the other
22:58
Speaker 1: kids in the home, I mean, let her motives were
23:01
Speaker 1: Atlanta defense attorney Daryl Cohen, did any of your children
23:05
Speaker 1: ever run away? That's a yes. No, my kids didn't.
23:09
Speaker 1: My younger brother did. Where did he run too? And
23:11
Speaker 1: he ran away going back? He was going back to
23:14
Speaker 1: where we lived prior to our new home and they
23:18
Speaker 1: found him hours later. To Joseph Scott Morgan, you have
23:23
Speaker 1: a young son, has he ever tried to run away? No?
23:28
Speaker 1: He is not. Neither have mine. But I'm sure you
23:30
Speaker 1: remember when he was nine years old as I do.
23:34
Speaker 1: It's not that long ago, just turned eleven. And of
23:38
Speaker 1: course she wouldn't be equipped to know how to survive
23:42
Speaker 1: out in the cold. Judith was wondering would she know
23:47
Speaker 1: how to survive in the cold. I can't barely get
23:50
Speaker 1: mine to put on a coat to walk to the
23:53
Speaker 1: car to go to school in the morning. So of
23:56
Speaker 1: course a nine year old little girl does not know
23:59
Speaker 1: how to survive in the cold. No, she doesn't. And Nancy,
24:04
Speaker 1: we have we have military people that actually live in
24:08
Speaker 1: this particular area of the country. It's there's a big
24:11
Speaker 1: Air Force space up there, and there's actually search, escape
24:15
Speaker 1: and an invasion training that goes on in this area
24:20
Speaker 1: specifically because of the hostile environment that this little girl
24:25
Speaker 1: is in. My thought is she is ill planned, she
24:29
Speaker 1: is ill equipped. Unless she got to shelter somewhere within
24:33
Speaker 1: proximity of this place or hopped in a car with somebody,
24:37
Speaker 1: they're not going to have to look very far to
24:39
Speaker 1: find her. And I don't it's a very very difficult
24:44
Speaker 1: situation that they find themselves in right now. Well, we
24:48
Speaker 1: also know and correct me if I'm wrong, John, because
24:50
Speaker 1: I may not have it correct. Did they not put
24:53
Speaker 1: out a nine one ambre alert? They were very clear
24:58
Speaker 1: in coming back this they being the Pennington County Sheriff's Office,
25:04
Speaker 1: that an amber alert is only connected with a suspected abduction,
25:09
Speaker 1: and in this case, they have no reason to believe
25:13
Speaker 1: there is an abduction. So is that your wife telling
25:16
Speaker 1: me now? They did not put out an amber alert.
25:19
Speaker 1: They did not. It's been five days since nine year
25:22
Speaker 1: old Trinity Denard went and missing from the Black Hills
25:24
Speaker 1: Children's Home Society. Several agencies have been working to help
25:28
Speaker 1: find her. Pennington County Search and Rescue were out for
25:32
Speaker 1: three days in the search. The cold temperatures and steep
25:35
Speaker 1: and icy terrain made it difficult for crews and animals
25:38
Speaker 1: who are involved. The extreme cold temperatures that we've had
25:41
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks are hard on everybody.
25:44
Speaker 1: That's hard on people, but it's really hard on the animals.
25:47
Speaker 1: Their feet get cold, they get cold, and we have
25:50
Speaker 1: to be careful that we don't keep them up too long,
25:52
Speaker 1: especially trained dogs. From Iowa and around the area, including
25:56
Speaker 1: Pennington Search and Rescue, head out this weekend to work
25:58
Speaker 1: on recovery efforts. If you have information regarding Serenity Denard,
26:04
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26:08
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Speaker 1: life without a father's crime. I need justice for Liz,
27:42
Speaker 1: A husband's plea. I Love Friday, January twenty fifth, it
27:47
Speaker 1: was just before seven am. A coward drove up, approached
27:52
Speaker 1: my daughter and forever changed our lives. Elizabeth Bronza shot
27:57
Speaker 1: dead in her driveway. She was setting up for a
28:00
Speaker 1: garage sale. The deliberate killing caught on camera and still
28:03
Speaker 1: today very little answers. It is possible that it could
28:07
Speaker 1: have been a male dressing up as a female, could
28:10
Speaker 1: have been a male with longer hair. Investigators say it's
28:13
Speaker 1: not clear whether Liz's murder was targeted or random, but
28:16
Speaker 1: they reminded us today that Liz had no known enemies.
28:20
Speaker 1: This woman, from what I can see, did not have
28:23
Speaker 1: a mean bone in her body. She spent her adult
28:25
Speaker 1: life spreading love and cheer to all of those around her.
28:28
Speaker 1: May the force be with Elizabeth and we find her justice.
28:33
Speaker 1: Surveillance cameras actually capture the moment a Texas woman is
28:39
Speaker 1: gunned down in her own driveway by a mystery shoot
28:43
Speaker 1: or dressed in a robe while she Elizabeth Brazza, is
28:47
Speaker 1: setting up a garage sale. Caught on video, but still
28:52
Speaker 1: the killer at large. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
28:56
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. There's no doubt in
28:59
Speaker 1: my mind after reviewing that video, this was intentional. There
29:04
Speaker 1: was no robbery, there was no sex attack, nothing. This
29:08
Speaker 1: is what happens. You see Braza, who's this just breaks
29:12
Speaker 1: my heart. She's setting up a yard sale to try
29:15
Speaker 1: to raise money because she and her husband were going
29:18
Speaker 1: on an anniversary trip. They were going to have a
29:20
Speaker 1: celebration and she was trying to raise extra money for
29:24
Speaker 1: her wedding anniversary trip. And you see her, she just
29:28
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. Outside of her tumble home, a
29:32
Speaker 1: black pickup truck pulls up and parks across the street,
29:37
Speaker 1: and it's very unique looking, the cab of it. Very surprised.
29:40
Speaker 1: They haven't identified the making model of that yet. The
29:43
Speaker 1: surveillance footage captures the killer. It looks like a woman
29:50
Speaker 1: dressed in a light colored robe. She gets out of
29:54
Speaker 1: the truck and quickly walks with purpose, directly to Elizabeth.
30:01
Speaker 1: Brazza walks straight there. Now Brazza is setting up the
30:06
Speaker 1: yard sale, and she turns and she appears to freeze
30:11
Speaker 1: at the sight of this person, and she takes a
30:15
Speaker 1: step back. When the person approaches her, they exchange a
30:19
Speaker 1: few words and only eight seconds pass before who we
30:24
Speaker 1: think is a woman lifts her arm and shoots Elizabeth
30:30
Speaker 1: at point blank range, and she fires three times point
30:36
Speaker 1: blank range, right at Elizabeth's face. Elizabeth falls to the
30:42
Speaker 1: ground and then listen to this. The suspect steps over
30:47
Speaker 1: her body and fires one more time. That is deliberate.
30:56
Speaker 1: Dave Matt with me now, syndicated talk show host Dave
30:59
Speaker 1: mac What more do you know? Well, what we do
31:03
Speaker 1: know is that the pickup truck has been somewhat identified
31:06
Speaker 1: as the black four door Nissan Frontier. As you mentioned,
31:10
Speaker 1: there are plenty of security cameras in this neighborhood, and
31:12
Speaker 1: they picked up this camera. The truck at another residence,
31:17
Speaker 1: almost waiting for Barazza's husband to leave home for work.
31:21
Speaker 1: He left at six forty eight am. Four minutes later,
31:24
Speaker 1: at six fifty two, the truck is now in front
31:26
Speaker 1: of the home where the woman apparent. Woman gets out
31:29
Speaker 1: and walks directly to Elizabeth. I'm watching the video again
31:35
Speaker 1: right now. You're right, tell me that again, Daryl Cohen,
31:40
Speaker 1: Judith Joseph, and Joe Scott Morgan. Listen to this. So,
31:44
Speaker 1: after the shooter shoots her three times, she falls down
31:48
Speaker 1: in her yard, comes over, stands over her, shoots her again.
31:53
Speaker 1: She sprints back to the truck and speeds away. But
31:58
Speaker 1: that part you will telling me about just before the shooting,
32:02
Speaker 1: would do you mind repeating that, Dave Matt. There are
32:05
Speaker 1: security cameras in that neighborhood, and this truck was seen
32:08
Speaker 1: at another almost kind of lurking at another residence, waiting
32:13
Speaker 1: for Elizabeth's husband to actually leave the residence. He left
32:16
Speaker 1: at six forty eight am. Four minutes later, this truck
32:20
Speaker 1: appears on the CC cameras in front of the home
32:24
Speaker 1: where the driver gets out and apparently walks directly to Elizabeth.
32:29
Speaker 1: So we've got a little track here of the truck.
32:31
Speaker 1: And again it has been labeled a Nissan Frontier, which
32:34
Speaker 1: is not that common of a truck in this area.
32:37
Speaker 1: So there are thoughts that they can track this black
32:40
Speaker 1: four door Nissan pickup truck. But again sixty eight am,
32:44
Speaker 1: her husband leaves for work at six fifty two, this
32:46
Speaker 1: truck is seen pulling up. It was seen on other
32:49
Speaker 1: security cameras in the neighborhood, and they're still looking for
32:51
Speaker 1: other residents to look through their video camera surveillance to
32:54
Speaker 1: see if it was picked up in other areas. But
32:57
Speaker 1: it looked like she was the driver or the shooter
32:59
Speaker 1: here was waiting for the husband to leave and had
33:03
Speaker 1: to know what time this husband normally leaves for work.
33:06
Speaker 1: Okay to Gerald Cohen, defense attorney, a renowned defense attorney
33:10
Speaker 1: actually former prosecutor in inner City Atlanta, Daryl, it's on video.
33:14
Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind this was intentional.
33:17
Speaker 1: And for them to say that she doesn't have a
33:20
Speaker 1: single enemy, she may not know she has an enemy.
33:23
Speaker 1: For Nancy, this is a target, This is a statement.
33:27
Speaker 1: This case will not bring her back, but they'll solve
33:29
Speaker 1: it by looking at her background, looking at her husband's background,
33:33
Speaker 1: perhaps even her father's background. Was she having an affair?
33:38
Speaker 1: Was her husband having an affair? Are they going to
33:41
Speaker 1: teach her a lesson? This last shot is what troubles
33:45
Speaker 1: me more than the ones that probably killed her. That
33:48
Speaker 1: was the one. It's a statement, you're never going to
33:50
Speaker 1: get away with this. And she may have been doing
33:53
Speaker 1: something and her husband may have been doing it, but
33:56
Speaker 1: they made a statement to her husband, and I think
33:59
Speaker 1: that where we're going to find who the shooter was,
34:03
Speaker 1: male or female. Two Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor Forensics,
34:09
Speaker 1: Jackson State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet
34:12
Speaker 1: on Amazon Joe Scott. It's amazing to me they haven't
34:16
Speaker 1: been able to enhance the tag on the Ford, excuse me,
34:21
Speaker 1: the black Nissan Frontier to once they get a tag number,
34:26
Speaker 1: they know who the car belongs to unless it's stolen.
34:30
Speaker 1: I'm very surprised about that. And also it seems to me,
34:36
Speaker 1: since this is so deliberate, would have a better idea
34:38
Speaker 1: of who a potential purb is. But what forensics are
34:40
Speaker 1: they looking for right now? Joe Scott, Well, I think
34:43
Speaker 1: it's all going to go back to the truck right now.
34:46
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've been watching I've been watching this
34:48
Speaker 1: video loop I don't know, since last night, just trying
34:51
Speaker 1: to pick up on little nuances of this thing. It's
34:55
Speaker 1: it's laid out pretty clear what has happened. She's in
34:57
Speaker 1: very close proximity. There's gonna be a lot of guns
35:00
Speaker 1: shot residue potentially that's coming out of the end of
35:02
Speaker 1: that barrel. But that's not the important thing here. What
35:04
Speaker 1: the important thing is going back to this truck. If
35:07
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, this is Texas. They've got front plates
35:10
Speaker 1: on this truck and so I don't know. I think
35:14
Speaker 1: that if they get this thing up to the FBI.
35:16
Speaker 1: If they get this video evidence up to the FBI,
35:19
Speaker 1: they may be able to digitally enhance this. And this
35:22
Speaker 1: is another thing, and this is why it's so very
35:24
Speaker 1: important relative to relative to everybody else in this neighborhood,
35:30
Speaker 1: everybody has many people have these little cameras on their hounds.
35:35
Speaker 1: My thought is is that they need to scour this
35:37
Speaker 1: neighborhood and look for other videography of this truck passing around.
35:42
Speaker 1: It's already been reported that this individual has been circling around,
35:46
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a shark around this neighborhood.
35:49
Speaker 1: And if you watch the very first part of the video,
35:52
Speaker 1: before this individual shoots her and walks up to her
35:56
Speaker 1: and shoots her, you can see the headlights appear off
35:59
Speaker 1: in the distance. Headlights never went off, Nancy. They enhanced
36:02
Speaker 1: in the photo for a second. The vehicles sitting there,
36:05
Speaker 1: I guess just running, and then the individual sprints back
36:08
Speaker 1: to the truck. This truck has been seen in other
36:11
Speaker 1: areas in this neighborhood. I think that they can pull
36:13
Speaker 1: the plate off of this thing. We stand here before
36:18
Speaker 1: you today because our beautiful daughter was murdered. She was
36:23
Speaker 1: a simple, kind and generous person. Happily living an amazing
36:28
Speaker 1: life of service. She was blessed with an incredible marriage
36:33
Speaker 1: to an amazing man. She spent her adult life spreading
36:37
Speaker 1: love and cheer to all of those around her. Sergio
36:41
Speaker 1: Braza and Liz they were good people before they met,
36:46
Speaker 1: but they made each other better and together they were
36:50
Speaker 1: awe inspiring through their involvement with the Fible First Legion
36:55
Speaker 1: and similar groups. They converted a passion for star wars
36:59
Speaker 1: into countless smiles on the faces of sick children and
37:03
Speaker 1: adults desperately in need of them. They had so much
37:08
Speaker 1: fun together and brought laughter to those who met them,
37:11
Speaker 1: never once asking for anything in return. On Friday, January
37:17
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, our daughter lives set up for a garage
37:20
Speaker 1: sale at her home in tom Ball. She was just
37:24
Speaker 1: hoping to sell a few things to make a little
37:27
Speaker 1: extra spending money for their fifth anniversary trip that they
37:30
Speaker 1: planned to leave on Sunday. My wife, Liz was an
37:35
Speaker 1: amazing person. She's a beautiful person with the kindness of souls.
37:41
Speaker 1: She had such a big heart. Tragically, someone stole that
37:47
Speaker 1: away from us. On the morning of the twenty fifth.
37:52
Speaker 1: I just left for work that morning and I'm just
37:56
Speaker 1: so happy that the last words I got to say
37:58
Speaker 1: to my beautiful wife was I love you, and she
38:02
Speaker 1: said I love you too. She's going to be dearly
38:06
Speaker 1: missed by so many people she affected in her life.
38:12
Speaker 1: We devoted, Liz devoted, and I devoted so much time
38:17
Speaker 1: to charity with the Bible First Legients. She helped kids
38:22
Speaker 1: in hospitals, We volunteered for community events so many It's
38:29
Speaker 1: just so sad that my wife passed away in the
38:32
Speaker 1: same hospital that we did so many hours of volunteering at.
38:39
Speaker 1: You were hearing Lizz's husband speaking that surgery Braza. Who
38:44
Speaker 1: would come up to this woman setting up a yard
38:46
Speaker 1: cell in her front yard gun her down on purpose?
38:51
Speaker 1: To Dave Max, Indicated talk show host Dave, I agree
38:55
Speaker 1: with you. I've been reviewing all of the video, including
38:59
Speaker 1: that extra clip you told me about the guys the person.
39:03
Speaker 1: I think it's actually a woman stood there leaning against
39:08
Speaker 1: the black Ford Nissan Frontier until the husband leaves, gets
39:13
Speaker 1: in and drives over. It's so intentional, Dave Mack, what
39:19
Speaker 1: more do we know about Liz Barroz's murderer. The police
39:22
Speaker 1: are still trying to track down the vehicle, This Nissan frontier.
39:26
Speaker 1: We know that they've at this point believe it's probably
39:29
Speaker 1: a woman that did the shooting, or it was a
39:31
Speaker 1: man dressed as a woman. We can tell that they
39:34
Speaker 1: were waiting. I say they the shooter was waiting for
39:38
Speaker 1: the husband to leave. He left the house of six
39:41
Speaker 1: forty eight that we also see in that video, and
39:44
Speaker 1: you mentioned this, she actually Elizabeth takes a step back
39:47
Speaker 1: when the woman approaches her. Obviously there's something said in
39:50
Speaker 1: that eight seconds at the very beginning part that made
39:53
Speaker 1: her take pause, and she stepped back almost in fear
39:56
Speaker 1: a gut reaction here. And then after a brief, brief discussion,
40:01
Speaker 1: the woman takes up the gun three times right there
40:03
Speaker 1: and then walks over her body and delivers what she
40:07
Speaker 1: believes is probably a kill shot and then runs back
40:10
Speaker 1: to the vehicle and takes off all of it on video.
40:13
Speaker 1: Hey Nancy, Yeah, if I could, if I could interject
40:16
Speaker 1: one thing here, I agree with Dave. When I was
40:18
Speaker 1: watching this thing, this poor lady she has there is
40:22
Speaker 1: a sudden awareness you can kind of pick up on
40:25
Speaker 1: it of her and it looks as though her left hand,
40:29
Speaker 1: her left hand, because she's facing the purp. It looks
40:33
Speaker 1: as though her left hand slightly raises and extends, and
40:37
Speaker 1: there's something that passes between them. I don't know what
40:40
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if this is an awareness,
40:41
Speaker 1: if something was spoken or something. But this woman, the perpetrator,
40:46
Speaker 1: I say, woman whoever it is, raises the weapon to
40:49
Speaker 1: face level, now face level. That first shot appears to
40:53
Speaker 1: me at least, and the initial video is fired directly
40:57
Speaker 1: into her face or at her neck, and then it
41:00
Speaker 1: just and the woman begins to stumble back, and there's
41:03
Speaker 1: three shots or two shots that are fired immediately after that,
41:07
Speaker 1: and then of course she steps in for you know,
41:10
Speaker 1: the coup de graw where she stands over her and
41:12
Speaker 1: fires down and purposefully does this. She had specific intent
41:17
Speaker 1: when she showed up to end this woman's life, and
41:20
Speaker 1: there was an awareness that passed between these two. And
41:22
Speaker 1: going back to what Darryl said earlier, I'm really wondering
41:25
Speaker 1: if there is some kind of histrionics that's going on here,
41:28
Speaker 1: some kind of pre existing relationship something. I just can't
41:32
Speaker 1: imagine someone walking up to a defenseless woman that is
41:36
Speaker 1: setting up for garage sale, which I've done before at
41:39
Speaker 1: that time of day, and just opening fire on her
41:44
Speaker 1: and It's not like a random stranger passing by and
41:47
Speaker 1: somebody fires that shot out of the window. She specifically
41:50
Speaker 1: walked up with intent, raised that weapon and fired at her,
41:53
Speaker 1: and she had her full attention when she did. Now,
41:55
Speaker 1: you brought up an interesting point, and I'm gonna go
41:58
Speaker 1: to our psychiatrist, dot Judith Joseph joining us from New
42:02
Speaker 1: York Doctor Joseph. The fact that it was so early
42:05
Speaker 1: in the morning, I mean at six forty five in
42:08
Speaker 1: the morning. True, I've already been up a couple of
42:11
Speaker 1: hours by then, but my mind is not on murder
42:15
Speaker 1: unless I'm preparing for our content. But I mean your
42:21
Speaker 1: mind to be thinking of murder and planning and carrying
42:28
Speaker 1: out a murder plan at six thirty in the morning.
42:32
Speaker 1: Aren't most people thinking of getting a cup of hot
42:35
Speaker 1: tea or coffee and getting their children to school, except
42:38
Speaker 1: if you're a murderer, and they except if you've planned this,
42:41
Speaker 1: and it does there's a premeditated element to this. This
42:44
Speaker 1: person waited until her husband left and then approached her
42:48
Speaker 1: and then shot her in an execution style manner. So
42:52
Speaker 1: that told me that there was a lot of rage
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Speaker 1: and likely this person knew her. And we know that
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Speaker 1: about one in four people who are killed in this way,
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Speaker 1: woman in particular, are killed most likely by an intimate
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Speaker 1: partner or someone that they've known intimately in the past.
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Speaker 1: So this tells me there's a bit of jealousy or rage,
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Speaker 1: and the timing of this right before her anniversary trips
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Speaker 1: should not be ignored. People need to be looking at
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Speaker 1: past lovers. They need to be looking at perhaps past
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Speaker 1: love was of her husband, and whether or not there
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Speaker 1: was some jealousy. They need to be looking at whether
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Speaker 1: or not actually had any conflicts or fights in the
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Speaker 1: weeks leading up to this trip and leading up to
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Speaker 1: her murder. Tells me that this person hated her, wanted
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Speaker 1: her dead, and had been planning this. You know, listening
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Speaker 1: to your train of thought to me is fascinating, Doctor Joseph,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Darryl Cohen, Atlanta defense attorney Daryl.
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Speaker 1: I just had another thought when doctor Judith Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: was talking about the time of the shooting, you know,
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Speaker 1: six forty eight in the morning or six fifty two,
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Speaker 1: and doctor Judith was talking about the details. What about
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Speaker 1: this detail that the killer was wearing a house robe
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Speaker 1: and at six forty eight in the morning. Do you
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Speaker 1: think they just said, you know what, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: shoot her dad. They woke up, they put on their
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Speaker 1: house robe and left the house. Could it have been
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Speaker 1: that spur of the moment. I don't think it was
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Speaker 1: that spur of the moment, Nancy. I think if you
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Speaker 1: find the who, you'll find out the why, or if
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Speaker 1: you find the why, you will find the who. I
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Speaker 1: think I'm smelling an affair, and I'm smelling that either
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Speaker 1: the victim was having an affair or the victim's hold on,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on a moment, Daryl Cohen. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this much. A woman is not going to
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Speaker 1: be out in the front yard at six thirty in
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Speaker 1: the morning setting up a yard cell to make money
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Speaker 1: to go on her fifth and wedding anniversary trip. That's
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Speaker 1: having an affair. If she's having an affair, she'll say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: let's just drive to McDonald's. I'm fine with it, Okay, No,
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Speaker 1: uh no, it's not her. I can tell you that much,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, I can I can nip that in the
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Speaker 1: bud right now. I don't. I don't know anything at
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Speaker 1: all about any other parties or about as doctor Judith
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Speaker 1: Joseph said, who were these two with before they got
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Speaker 1: married five years ago? But I can tell you out
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Speaker 1: having a yard sale, in my mind, precludes you've got
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Speaker 1: a lover. Daryl Cohen doesn't preclude it to me, there's
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Speaker 1: something going on. This is personal. This is not a
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Speaker 1: random I was going to shoot her, and I was
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Speaker 1: going to send a message either to her husband or
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Speaker 1: to my husband or my lover. That's what this is
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Speaker 1: all about. It. I agree, it's got to be about anger,
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Speaker 1: but it's personal. I agree. I think it's about anger,
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Speaker 1: pure anger. And you know, I noticed another thing. To
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. The Harris County Sheriff's office still says
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Speaker 1: they're investigating whether it was random or targeted. Well, I
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Speaker 1: hope they're listening. I can tell them right now it
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Speaker 1: was targeted. You don't need to investigate that anymore. The
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Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers of Houston that entity offering a twenty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollar reward for information leading to the arrest or charging
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Speaker 1: of the person behind this horrible murder. If you have
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Speaker 1: zero nine. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,