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Talking with Anthony Girelli of Fall From Sanity · Vermont Talks

• 0:02
  Becca: What's new eight Oh two I'm Becky Hammond.
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  Becca: And you're listening to Burlington talks.
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  Becca: Burlington talks may include graphic or explicit content listener discretion is advised.
• 0:13
  Becca: I'm so sorry.
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  Becca: It's taken me so long to get this episode out, but it's out and I'm super excited to have Anthony Durelli on the show with me today.
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  Becca: Anthony is a self-taught multi-mission.
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  Becca: He specializes in drums and percussion, and he's been solicited as a session drummer for Mt.
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  Becca: Projects in the past.
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  Becca: And he records, mixes and masters, all of his own projects in his home studio.
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  Becca: He's currently involved in a diff a few different projects fall from sanity is the big one we're going to talk about today.
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  Becca: He's doing that with Matt C card, and he's also got his own company and culturally melodies.
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  Becca: You can check that out online.
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  Becca: He has some really cool videos that he's made under that name.
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  Becca: Anthony has also been collaborating remotely with other musicians and creating recordings during the pandemic.
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  Becca: These are really Epic recordings.
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  Becca: I highly recommend you go to the show notes page.
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  Becca: Burlington talks forward slash 17.
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  Becca: Listen to these recordings, check them out on ReverbNation.
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  Becca: I am blown away by these.
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  Becca: These are so cool.
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  Becca: So here we go.
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  Becca: Let's get started.
• 1:16
  Becca: Anthony.
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  Becca: Thank you so much for being on the show today.
• 1:19
  Becca: Can you tell me your full name and a little bit about yourself?
• 1:22
  Anthony: Hi, Becca.
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  Anthony: Thanks for having me.
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  Anthony: My name is Anthony Durelli, um, a, a local musician, uh, more of a hobbyist spent a lot of times playing drums and playing guitar and, uh, working on projects, uh, mainly at home, I'm a father of two young daughters and they keep me very busy.
• 1:38
  Anthony: So, uh, most of my gym time is after 8:00 PM and, uh, and one night a week, usually when I'm out jamming, uh, in the band room.
• 1:48
  Anthony: And so what band are you?
• 1:50
  Anthony: And, um, I've been in a couple.
• 1:52
  Anthony: We just started recently a project just before this pandemic hit.
• 1:56
  Anthony: Um, had a Craigslist ad out there for the last year.
• 2:00
  Anthony: We, um, looking for the right singer.
• 2:04
  Anthony: Um, my friend, Matt seeker, and I are, are in a project.
• 2:06
  Anthony: We just been writing instrumentals and we've been looking for a singer who has the technical knowhow to kind of join us in a, a more, uh, online approach to recording and getting, getting songs structured and organized kind of off, off hours.
• 2:23
  Anthony: And then when we, when we joined up to jam, it's, it's all about, we already know that the songs are already structured and we just get together and kind of work on the live part of it.
• 2:32
  Anthony: So we found a singer.
• 2:33
  Anthony: He, he actually lives kind of far away.
• 2:34
  Anthony: He lives in, uh, Lake Maury, which is a very Eastern side of Vermont.
• 2:39
  Anthony: It's about an hour and 15 minutes away.
• 2:41
  Anthony: I think I've never even heard of that place.
• 2:44
  Anthony: The only reason I know is because my sister actually got married there, so it's like, Oh, really?
• 2:48
  Anthony: That's really far away.
• 2:50
  Anthony: But he, um, he has a great voice and he has a, he's a comic book artist.
• 2:54
  Anthony: He's, he's actually somewhat famous in the Comicon world.
• 2:59
  Anthony: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:00
  Anthony: So it's a plus for like album, album art and things like that, but he's also got a great voice and he can hit a lot of different harmonies and, and, uh, he has a great technical knowhow.
• 3:11
  Anthony: And, uh, you know, the only, the only thing with recording at home is he has, he has a bird.
• 3:15
  Anthony: So some oftentimes when he sends him quips, I have to edit out,
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I have cats and now I'm recording a home.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: Normally I would record this in person and we could actually meet each other and it would be a whole different experience.
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: So if there are cats meowing, I apologize.
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: I tried to convince them not to me out.
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: So
• 3:35
  Anthony: Sometimes it sounds cool in the back, you know?
• 3:37
  Anthony: So added flavor.
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: What kind of bird is it?
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: Is it like a squawking bird?
• 3:42
  Anthony: Yeah, it's not a, I don't think it, it's not a talking bird.
• 3:45
  Anthony: It's just, it's squawks every now and then I don't even think he hears it, but I got to go in and, you know, clip that little chirp out.
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure when you live with one and they do it constantly, some of those parts, I probably get really used to it.
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  Speaker 3: That's funny.
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  Speaker 3: So, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Fall from sanity.
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  Speaker 3: That's the name?
• 4:04
  Anthony: Yeah.
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  Anthony: So fall from sanity is the name of this project.
• 4:09
  Anthony: Um, Matt C Kurt and I have actually been working on this remote recording for, I would say since 2017.
• 4:19
  Anthony: Um, I just moved to Vermont a year ago, actually, almost exactly a year ago, April 1st, uh, from Saratoga Springs, New York.
• 4:27
  Anthony: And, um, we were working on a project where longtime friends, we went, I grew up in Colchester and I grew up in Vermont and we went to high school and hung out together.
• 4:37
  Anthony: Yeah, yeah.
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  Anthony: So he, I mean, he's very into, you know, he's very passionate about everything music, so he's a, he's a drummer, he's an amazing guitarist as well.
• 4:45
  Anthony: So I helped kind of, uh, utilize his guitar skills.
• 4:49
  Anthony: Cause I'm a more of a, uh, amateur guitarist.
• 4:53
  Anthony: I, I write, I know enough to write songs and play, but I don't, I'm not as technical as him.
• 4:58
  Anthony: So he he's really good at writing and coming up with the guitar side of things.
• 5:01
  Anthony: And then, uh, we thought, Hey, let's try something out where, you know, you, you write some guitar tracks, you send them to me, I'll play some drums.
• 5:09
  Anthony: We'll see if we can get it to sound cool.
• 5:11
  Anthony: And then, uh, you know, see if we can find a singer to work with, and maybe we can come up with something remotely since we live so far away.
• 5:19
  Anthony: And
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: I'm so impressed with the songs that you shared with me on ReverbNation like these sound like, I honestly don't even know what to compare these two.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that you did this separately for one thing that you recorded all these tracks totally separately.
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: You didn't, you didn't coach Matt on how to record his piece.
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: You didn't coach your singer on how to record his piece.
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: I can't believe how good it sounds like that sounds so good.
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: It's so clean.
• 5:50
  Anthony: There's a couple of rules.
• 5:51
  Anthony: You have to follow to make it work, right.
• 5:53
  Anthony: You don't necessarily have to, but it does make it easier.
• 5:56
  Anthony: Is it, you know, you pick, you pick your BPM and you stick with it.
• 6:00
  Anthony: And then it ends up being Matt's very creative.
• 6:03
  Anthony: So he ends up sending me, uh, you know, 10 different stems to a song that's three minutes long.
• 6:09
  Anthony: And uh, and then he's like, alright, here you go.
• 6:11
  Anthony: You don't have to use them all.
• 6:12
  Anthony: But you know, here's a ton of different choices.
• 6:14
  Anthony: And so I ended up taking it and you know, Chuck say, if it's down to the BPM, you can chop it all up and kind of move things around and it stays in time.
• 6:23
  Anthony: Um, so I'll structure the song, get the verse chorus, you know, pre-course the bridge, whatever, send it back, see if, see if we're all in agreement on the structure.
• 6:32
  Anthony: And then, uh, and then once we are all, usually laid down some drums and then, uh, after that, the singer throw it to the singer and have that, let him have his creative flow.
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: That's so cool.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: So you've literally start with the guitar tracks, just with a metronome or click track or whatever you're using and that's it.
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: You just say, okay, this is the beat per minute for the song.
• 6:53
  Anthony: Exactly.
• 6:54
  Anthony: Yeah.
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  Anthony: And then you can come up with yeah.
• 6:56
  Anthony: And then he'll, he'll sometimes send me just, you know, seven minutes of him jamming out to the same kind of structure, but you know, changes it up quite a bit.
• 7:05
  Anthony: And then we figure out which parts, you know, chop and throw away and chop up and use.
• 7:10
  Anthony: So there's a lot of like orchestrating in the DAW, how to, how to set it up.
• 7:16
  Anthony: So everyone's happy.
• 7:16
  Anthony: So it's cool.
• 7:17
  Anthony: It takes a lot of time, but it's fun.
• 7:18
  Anthony: I think, I think it comes out really well if you spend a lot of time on it and I learned the tricks and the mastering mixing and mastering tricks to get it to sound cool.
• 7:27
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 7:28
  Anthony: It sounds pro
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: It really does sound very pro.
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: I am extremely impressed.
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: I think I told you that I had to send this to one of my friends.
• 7:37
  Speaker 3: Like this is a Vermont bad, like I'm going to interview these people.
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: They're like what?
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: This is awesome.
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: And then they're asking you about shows that I'm like, well, they're, I think they're doing this remotely right now, but this is so good that people are asking about show, so they must be interested.
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: So the idea that, sorry, I'm going to totally change the chop topic.
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: So go ahead.
• 8:03
  Anthony: No, that's fine.
• 8:04
  Anthony: Go ahead.
• 8:04
  Anthony: I was a,
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's funny when we're, we can't see each other.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: There's usually, I'm always nodding and like I have hand motions that people can't see.
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: So this is always interesting, but what I was gonna say is it's really cool that you're just kind of letting it's interesting.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: You're letting the guitarist kind of take the lead and just letting him play around basically.
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: Cause then if he messes around for seven minutes, you can say, Oh, that piece, you know, 35 seconds into the third minute, it's really cool.
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: Like we should move that into another part of the song.
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: Like that's such a wicked idea because you normally in a song writing process, you're very stuck.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of people are get very stuck in a mind frame.
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  Speaker 3: Like this is how my song's gonna work.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: This is my ideas.
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: And just getting that creative flow, or you can pull different pieces in while you're jamming into an actual finished song is, Oh, this is cool.
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited for this idea.
• 9:03
  Anthony: It actually speeds it up like a lot.
• 9:05
  Anthony: So like, I think I talking to you in the chat, like we've only jammed twice as a, as a band.
• 9:11
  Anthony: We barely even know each other.
• 9:13
  Anthony: Aside from me and Matt, we met the basis, he's friends with the singer and they drove up a couple times, but then we had some instrumentals already written.
• 9:21
  Anthony: We shared with them.
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  Anthony: But since those we've already written two new songs in the last, uh, actually three, three new songs in the last two weeks, three weeks.
• 9:29
  Anthony: So it happens very fast when you have that ability to sit at home and kind of write and spend your free time in the evening.
• 9:36
  Anthony: Like I do putting it all together rather than sitting in a room together.
• 9:40
  Anthony: And you know, you end up kind of arguing and going over things too many times.
• 9:44
  Anthony: And yeah.
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  Anthony: So it's very efficient.
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: Cause when you're, that's it, when you're trying to write a song, I feel like trying to write a song it's a lot different than just musically letting yourself be free.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, you get into a certain beat per minute, the certain key signature, whatever.
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: And then you just go like let it flow and see what it turns into.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: That's a really great idea as opposed to, okay.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: Here's my verse in my chorus.
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to knock out a bridge here.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: And just trying to follow a formula to make it work from the star.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: If you play around from the star and then kind of make it fit, this is cool.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: I'm really, I'm so excited about this idea.
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: You should write a book on how you do this.
• 10:37
  Anthony: I like to think there's a lot more people doing it, but I haven't really heard of many people doing it.
• 10:43
  Anthony: Um, and then the manner we're doing it, where it seems like what we publish is almost like to the point where I've, I've actually posted some of this stuff on Spotify from our other project.
• 10:52
  Anthony: Um, from three years ago when we were doing it remotely and people think it's done in a studio.
• 10:57
  Anthony: So it's pretty cool.
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: I, if I didn't know that you were recording and doing the mastering at home, I would never have thought that that was a home recording.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: I have heard people do this online before, but not this John rhe, like the genre you're doing is super technical.
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: Like this needs to be tight.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: Like if it's not tight and everyone's spot on and it sounds not great.
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: That's just kind of the nature of heavier music.
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: Like you gotta be really good at what you're doing to have it sound nice and clean.
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: So I'm just totally amazed.
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: Like this is some really like, it's heavy, but it's not like screaming.
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: I like this kind of music the most actually, cause I can kind of like bang my head to it, but sing along.
• 11:43
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 11:43
  Anthony: He's the singer is great.
• 11:44
  Anthony: He's very versatile.
• 11:45
  Anthony: We went through, um, I can't even count how many singers we've tried out and being people who've sent recordings.
• 11:53
  Anthony: Um, you know, we were just looking for the right people who have the same technical knowledge.
• 11:57
  Anthony: Cause otherwise you're only as good as the, I don't want to say the weakest link, but the, you know, the guy who can't get his recordings on time or sends you like a real sloppy mix and this, you have to spend so much time cleaning it up, but we're starting to get into a groove or everyone's like, all right.
• 12:10
  Anthony: If I send it this way, you know exactly in this wave format and I split out each of them very easily when I import all those tracks in kind of like you probably know with your vocal recordings, it makes it very easy to play around and chop things if it's all done right on the front end, right?
• 12:26
  Anthony: Yes.
• 12:27
  Anthony: Yes.
• 12:28
  Anthony: It's so good.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited for this I'm fan girling a little bit because it's so cool.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: And I can't believe that you just sent me the song that you sent me this morning.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, I can't believe he's just, you know, pulled another one out.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: And it's that one I think was my favorite one.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: So far the one that you said
• 12:44
  Anthony: It's really, it's really cool.
• 12:45
  Anthony: That one Matt sent me the stems on.
• 12:47
  Anthony: I think it was Monday.
• 12:48
  Anthony: So I put the drums down Tuesday.
• 12:50
  Anthony: I sent it to the singer Tuesday.
• 12:52
  Anthony: He wrote the lyrics Tuesday night and the Wednesday.
• 12:54
  Anthony: And then I mixed it last night
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: All in one night.
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: Three days.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: I'm so impressed.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: Like this is insane.
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: This is like a whole new way to make music and you're doing it in a way that right now, obviously people would love to be able to do this.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: If, if every musician had this capability, it would probably be a lot better.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of musicians and bands are just hurting and they can't even practice together.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: And like, that's that socks.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: Like, there's no sugar coating.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: Now that just sucks.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: If you can't go out and play and see your fans.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: So
• 13:33
  Anthony: They've been doing it this way.
• 13:35
  Anthony: It only scratches a little itch, you know, doing it this way, but it at least gives you something to look forward to after all this is done, it's like, look how much material?
• 13:43
  Anthony: You know, we didn't just sit on our hands there's there's material that we put together.
• 13:46
  Anthony: And now, you know, when all this gets lifted where we can finally hit the, hit the scene a little bit, if people are into it.
• 13:55
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: So cool.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: Cause you can jam at home.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: Everyone's jamming at home right now, but you can collaborate too.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: Like this is the missing link to making like real content that is clean and polished.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: And even, cause I imagine, and you know, a year or two after, hopefully in a year or two, after all of this craziness has done, like who's going to be going through all the quarantine videos.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Like probably not a lot of people, the stuff you're producing right now though is a hundred percent going to be valid in six months, two years, five years from now because it sounds like it's a studio recording a hundred percent is a studio recording because really all that is is, does it sound good enough to be a studio recording?
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: And it definitely does.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: So this is something that'll stand the test of time and it's not like, you'll feel like you didn't do well during the pandemic.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: You're going to have something to show.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: That's extremely impressive.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Like you did this during the pandemic.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Like that's easy.
• 15:01
  Anthony: That is cool.
• 15:02
  Anthony: I mean, I get to the point where like he, like he said, Oh, well I watched a lot of those Facebook live videos for, from people from musicians.
• 15:09
  Anthony: And it's great.
• 15:10
  Anthony: It's awesome.
• 15:11
  Anthony: Passing the time.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not, I want to say I'm not, I'm not saying it's bad at all.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: I'm saying it's great.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: But I feel like in a year or two, it'll it won't be as valid.
• 15:20
  Anthony: Hey, it's just, it's kind of a it's noise.
• 15:22
  Anthony: It's not polished and it's not a, it's just it's entertainment.
• 15:26
  Anthony: It's like a live show.
• 15:27
  Anthony: So it's cool place.
• 15:29
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 15:30
  Anthony: Yeah,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: But you're going to have something that like, you could sell this, like this could a hundred percent be something you put on vinyl.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Like that could be a real album.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
• 15:41
  Anthony: Thanks.
• 15:41
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 15:41
  Anthony: It's tough when you work on it.
• 15:42
  Anthony: Cause I hear it.
• 15:43
  Anthony: I listened to it so many times in a row.
• 15:45
  Anthony: I can't even tell if it's good anymore.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: My friend compared your lead singer and the overall vibe to surge.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Tankian
• 15:54
  Anthony: Cool.
• 15:55
  Anthony: I'll have to look them up.
• 15:56
  Anthony: I'm not sure who they are, but that's,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: It's the lead singer from system of a down.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Oh awesome.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of like a pretty big compliment, like yup.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: And I can hear it too.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: There was one song I was like, yeah, that definitely I can hear that vibe to it.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a few different things, but all like really big bands.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking of really famous people like surge tank in and system of downs, insanely famous.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: That's one of those people that I don't know how much they would charge for a concert ticket, but it's probably not going to be less than a hundred bucks.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: And that's what we're comparing you to.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: So that's, that's something to be proud of.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I would say so.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit more about your other project.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Cause you've got the ball from sanity happening right now, but you've also got other projects you've worked on and you're, you're constantly doing musical things.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: It seems like
• 16:48
  Anthony: I had, um, I had a little bit of a run, I'd say right before I moved back to Vermont, I was doing, um, drum videos and posting them on YouTube just for fun.
• 16:59
  Anthony: And you know, just trying to keep my, keep myself occupied.
• 17:03
  Anthony: I used, so I mean a little bit of my backstory is I, I was, uh, I started drumming when I was 15 and playing guitar when I was 15 and got into the music scene when I was 15.
• 17:13
  Anthony: Um, then I, I was in a band in high school and I was a lead singer.
• 17:18
  Anthony: It was a hardcore band.
• 17:19
  Anthony: We played at two 42 quite a few times.
• 17:22
  Anthony: Um, you know, I'm 38 now.
• 17:23
  Anthony: So I was like 20 years ago or whatever.
• 17:25
  Anthony: But, um, and then after that I kind of, uh, trickled out of it.
• 17:30
  Anthony: And then I would say I was, I went to college and I, you know, I was a pretty heavy drinker for a long time, like probably 20 years.
• 17:37
  Anthony: And uh, I, I just quit drinking, uh, five years ago in July.
• 17:43
  Anthony: I'll be my five year.
• 17:45
  Anthony: Uh five-year without alcohol.
• 17:47
  Anthony: So I, uh, thank you.
• 17:49
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 17:49
  Anthony: So music kind of helped after the, you know, when I started stopped drinking, I had to find something else to do to keep my time busy and keep myself from getting into trouble.
• 17:58
  Anthony: So I started just getting back into like the recording part of it, stuff that I used to do way back.
• 18:04
  Anthony: And, uh, I think it's really helped.
• 18:06
  Anthony: And now, now every time I get stressed or, you know, I have something going on or, you know, just need to take a break, I'll just go to the studio.
• 18:12
  Anthony: And, and even if it's not like the guitar or drum song, I like to like to dabble and make beats and, uh, kind of play with different sounds.
• 18:20
  Anthony: I have everyone says I kind of have this, uh, uh, style where I like to throw, um, violence in a lot of my tracks I'll even do it in the fall from sanity tracks.
• 18:31
  Anthony: I just, you know, on the keyboard and the mini keyboard, I'll throw in some violins in the background and give it a little bit of animation.
• 18:37
  Anthony: And uh, so, so that's what I kind of do with the beads too.
• 18:39
  Anthony: It's just, it's something to do.
• 18:41
  Anthony: You sit down for a couple hours and crank out a song and then post it and feel it and then feel good about it and then forget about it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: It's a very positive thing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Like this is probably the best distraction you could pop.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: If you're, if you're going to say, Oh, I'm not going to drink, but I'm going to do this.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Like, this is awesome.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: The best thing you can possibly be doing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Cause other people can enjoy this too.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: This is this isn't self-serving this is something shared with everybody.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Really cool.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So from Colchester area,
• 19:15
  Anthony: Yep.
• 19:16
  Anthony: Grew up in Colchester.
• 19:18
  Anthony: Um, went to Chester high school, graduated in 99, went to Vermont technical college, graduated there in Randolph.
• 19:28
  Anthony: I want me to, I lived in Randolph.
• 19:31
  Anthony: Uh, I was, I went for a two year degree.
• 19:32
  Anthony: It took me three years.
• 19:33
  Anthony: So I was there.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I knew people who'd been there for five years working on a two year degree.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So I mean, it's not that bad.
• 19:42
  Anthony: Well, that's cool.
• 19:43
  Anthony: So you went there too.
• 19:44
  Anthony: Oh yeah.
• 19:44
  Anthony: It's a, it's an interesting place.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: It's it's cow town.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Which is funny.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I grew up in the middle of nowhere.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: So going to Randolph was like a perfect little stepping stone.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Like ah, there's people here are kind of,
• 20:00
  Anthony: Yeah, I'd go to, you know, go there during the week and I'd come back to UVM and party on the weekend.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: There's no parties of UTC everywhere.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: They called it a backpack college.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Everyone went home on the weekends, except for like this little tight knit crew of people who live too far away from home to do that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I was in that little cruise.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: So I had some people that were always there, but it was amazing how the dorms would just empty.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Like there would be no one on weekends.
• 20:27
  Anthony: Where did, which dorm did you stay in there?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, the first I've actually stayed in three of them.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I had brief stint in nutting.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Very brief stint.
• 20:36
  Anthony: Oh guy.
• 20:36
  Anthony: That I started nodding too.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: They changed it up a few times.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Cause I think, I don't know if it still is, but the year after I started, they turned it into just a freshmen.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Like they put all the freshmen in one dorm, which turned out terribly.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: They had like 30 kids had alcohol poisoning that year.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It was really bad, but yeah, well that was at the upperclassmen kind of like watch out for the kids when they come in.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: That's usually how it worked.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: At least when I started the people in Mori, like the upperclassmen and more, you would hang out with freshmen and be like, Hey, don't drink too much.
• 21:14
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Anthony: That school is like you, um, you go there for the first semester and then half the people, you know, are gone.
• 21:20
  Anthony: And after that, the second semester comes around.
• 21:23
  Anthony: I was like drop the first time being away from home and just couldn't handle it or just, you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Are hated the program they were at.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of kids just immediately.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: We're not digging school in general.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I think that must happen at a lot of colleges like that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: First freshman year you get there and the next semester, most like half the people that were there changed their minds.
• 21:51
  Anthony: I think, I think the unique thing about Vermont tech is they let pretty much let everybody in.
• 21:56
  Anthony: There's really not a whole lot of vetting that they do.
• 21:58
  Anthony: If you graduated high school, you can basically get in.
• 22:02
  Anthony: So that kind of weeds itself out after the first semester of who, who maybe didn't make the cut with their high school GPA or whatever.
• 22:10
  Anthony: But yeah, exactly.
• 22:13
  Anthony: So yeah, no, I, uh, I spent some time in, in Randolph.
• 22:15
  Anthony: It's good times.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Quiet times.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I have one of my teachers went there and he actually had a rule implemented that you couldn't bleed out your deer in the dorm showers because yeah, that was actually something that was a problem apparently at one time.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: So
• 22:37
  Anthony: I heard they had to add that to the handbook because yeah,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: He'd said that he went into the door, I think he was living in nutting and he said he went in and there was four D or hanging in the bathroom.
• 22:49
  Anthony: Nothing saying they can't do that.
• 22:50
  Anthony: So Hey.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, Oh God, I can't even imagine like, like it's fine.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: You want to go hunting, but I don't want to take a shower in your deer carcass.
• 23:00
  Anthony: Yes.
• 23:02
  Anthony: That's you know, central Vermont for you.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Oh that was it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: That was like the most Vermont thing that could possibly be a rule, like no deer in the shower.
• 23:11
  Anthony: Right?
• 23:12
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Anthony: You don't see that in too many other States.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: So what part do you live in Burlington now?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Colchester in the area
• 23:20
  Anthony: I live in, I live in Georgia.
• 23:21
  Anthony: So up near just South of st.
• 23:23
  Anthony: Alban's just North of a Milton South of st.
• 23:26
  Anthony: Alban's when we merged here, they moved back here.
• 23:30
  Anthony: It was, you know, my parents still live in Colchester and I work at global foundries in Essex.
• 23:36
  Anthony: I'm industrial engineer there.
• 23:37
  Anthony: So I, you know, it's a nice little commute, but I'm far enough away from, uh, from Chinon County where, you know, cost of living is a little cheaper housing.
• 23:47
  Anthony: How you get a little bigger house for the, for your buck.
• 23:50
  Anthony: So I got like it up here.
• 23:51
  Anthony: It's really nice.
• 23:51
  Anthony: Very small town.
• 23:53
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: It's a very nice town.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I got to live in Georgia for a year and a half.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I want to say.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And I lived right next to the Georgia farm house.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It was the nicest little apartment too.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: It was my favorite place that I think I have ever lived.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It was just really quiet and serene.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: And there was a giant turtle walking down the road one day.
• 24:14
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Anthony: It's pretty nice.
• 24:15
  Anthony: We got like a, I live in a neighborhood up here and it's surrounded by woods and there's trails and
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was such a gray area.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I really kind of miss it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I was going to move, buy a house somewhere, that would be the place that I would like to be too.
• 24:28
  Anthony: I think if this is the only like neighborhood in Georgia, cause they, you know, everyone says last year's Halloween was terrible weather, but everyone says in Halloween, everyone at Georgia comes here.
• 24:37
  Anthony: So to stock up on like$300 worth of candy and
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: That's funny, I'm surprised they would even, I guess that makes sense though, that they would want to trigger tree in town, but I'm surprised I don't go to Milton or sign Alban's where there's more of a suburban.
• 24:50
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Anthony: But I think, yeah, there's just like one of the warnings that the people who sold the house to us said to, Hey, just be mindful on Halloween.
• 24:58
  Anthony: It gets busy.
• 24:59
  Anthony: Okay, cool.
• 25:02
  Anthony: That's great.
• 25:03
  Anthony: Cool.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: You've been in the area for a long time and they're a VTC grads.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: You're a home body.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You did leave for a while.
• 25:10
  Anthony: I did.
• 25:10
  Anthony: I did leave for 14 years.
• 25:12
  Anthony: I went to Virginia just outside of DC for seven years.
• 25:16
  Anthony: And um, and then Saratoga Springs for seven years,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: The most Vermont you can be like, I almost feel like I'm not that much of a Vermonter because I didn't leave and come back.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Like every other Vermont adult seems to have left and come back and they're like, no, this is the place you want to be.
• 25:36
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Anthony: Cause I mean, when I left, everyone's like, you'll be back.
• 25:39
  Anthony: And I was like, I don't know.
• 25:40
  Anthony: I don't, I don't know about that.
• 25:41
  Anthony: I'm pretty excited to get at it, you know, get out of her mind and then you start to grow older and you realize, Hey, that's pretty sick.
• 25:48
  Anthony: I had the Lake right there, all the woods, all the mountains, very small town.
• 25:51
  Anthony: The vibe is just way better.
• 25:54
  Anthony: People are way nicer.
• 25:56
  Anthony: Uh, it's just a better feel.
• 25:57
  Anthony: And you go down to like DC and I just couldn't the traffic and the people there.
• 26:01
  Anthony: I just couldn't handle it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I've heard horror stories.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Like people are so mean on the street.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Like people are just mean
• 26:08
  Anthony: They'll love there now.
• 26:09
  Anthony: It's it's uh, it's, it's all about, everybody's all about themselves.
• 26:14
  Anthony: But then
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: In our city, like Burlington, you walk around here and I say hello to people and they all say hello back.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: And you know, this is the big city in Vermont,
• 26:25
  Anthony: Even Saratoga Springs you think would be kind of similar to Vermont, to Burlington it's yet.
• 26:30
  Anthony: It's kind of the same field, but it's, it's not, it's the population.
• 26:34
  Anthony: There's a little more, I mean, it's not, uh, it's pretty similar, but you know, when the track season's on, it's kind of prissy there and it's still not the same.
• 26:43
  Anthony: So it was good to come back anyway.
• 26:45
  Anthony: You can feel the vibe when you cross the, the bridge or take the ferry.
• 26:48
  Anthony: It's like, alright, I'm back in Vermont,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Such a funny thing.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: We're such a funny little state because we really are pretty particular about how we act.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Because even if you go over the border into New Hampshire, not that people there are mean, but they're not the same as people in Vermont, like we're, we're going to stop and make sure that the car off the side of the road is okay.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Like that's just gonna happen in Vermont.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: We're not, I don't know.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: We don't, we don't just ignore each other.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of places just kind of like put on, they put them like blinders, like, okay, I just worry about the people directly in front of me and my family and my life.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: But in Vermont we'll like go out of our way to kind of, you know, be there for each other.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: If my neighbors needed something, I'd be there for them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: My coworkers need something I've even offered.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Like I'll pick up something at the grocery store and bring it to you.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: We'll help each other.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of other places are not quite so ready to do that.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I might be wrong because I've never left.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't really know
• 27:52
  Anthony: The best way to explain it is in Vermont.
• 27:54
  Anthony: You're, you're kind of like a, a bigger fish in a small seat in the second year out of here.
• 28:00
  Anthony: It's like, you're this teeny little fish in this big, huge ocean.
• 28:03
  Anthony: And you know, in Vermont it's like two degrees of separation.
• 28:08
  Anthony: You go anywhere else, it's seven or whatever, seven degrees.
• 28:11
  Anthony: But around here, if you know, somebody chances are, you know, they, they know your family's, I'm our, you know what I mean?
• 28:17
  Anthony: Everyone's kind of connected in a two degree way.
• 28:21
  Anthony: It's kind of great.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: It is kind of funny when you really start getting your talking, like talking to people, you know, someone they know like you a hundred percent probably know someone they know and can make a good connection with them.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: It's such a great state.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I really love this area in general.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: We're pretty lucky to be here.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Can you tell me what your favorite project that you've worked on in the past is like, cause you've done all sorts of different musical things and I know it's probably going to be hard to pick one
• 28:50
  Anthony: Have, um, I was, when I was in Virginia, I, it was the first time I played guitar in a band and where I was in a band called moon tide and one word and it was an acoustic rock band.
• 29:00
  Anthony: It just so happened.
• 29:01
  Anthony: My upstairs neighbor in the apartment that I was in was he's really good singer guitarist.
• 29:05
  Anthony: And uh, and, uh, we, we wrote, I think 12 or 13 songs completed them.
• 29:11
  Anthony: We recorded a, in a, in a local studio down there.
• 29:14
  Anthony: And I kinda liked that feel of, of, uh, acoustic caustic rock.
• 29:19
  Anthony: And at the time I, I didn't even know what a Cahone was or like, you know, a hand, hand drums, but I would have totally been in to just jumping on a phone or something or jamming out and that style.
• 29:30
  Anthony: Cause now, now I play percussion and I'm always looking at who's out there doing acoustic stuff.
• 29:34
  Anthony: Cause I'll jump in with my hand drums and join ya.
• 29:37
  Anthony: And I haven't gotten a lot of bites, but you know, that, that acoustic live, I think is really cool.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Yup.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I love cahones.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I had one and I ended up selling it because I quickly realized I can't play that in my apartment, which was too bad, but they are really loud and they are so cool.
• 29:58
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Anthony: I have, I have a few now and I it's kind of an addiction cause I started buying.
• 30:04
  Anthony: Um, when you could sit on like kind of, well, this is pretty cool, you know, it sounds cool.
• 30:08
  Anthony: Then I got this one, a T shaped one that kind of sits in your lap and it, it sounds more like bongos and then you hit one side of it.
• 30:15
  Anthony: It's got the snare hitter in the center, it's got this deep base.
• 30:17
  Anthony: So they're kind of addictive.
• 30:18
  Anthony: It's like, Oh man, I could use that one for like a reggae style jam session.
• 30:23
  Anthony: And then the other, one's more like if I was rocking out, I could throw a tambourine on my foot, you know, or a shaker on my foot and kind of add that element with the base of a sit, sit on cone.
• 30:33
  Anthony: So yeah, I'm always looking for acoustic artists to work with.
• 30:35
  Anthony: I wasn't blessed with, with the voice to sing.
• 30:38
  Anthony: So that's kinda my limit.
• 30:41
  Anthony: I always rely on other people to kind of sing, sing in the projects I'm working on.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So moon tide.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Do you have anything online from that still?
• 30:51
  Anthony: I think I had it on Google play for awhile.
• 30:54
  Anthony: I can, I can look that up.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no worries.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: That's sounds like a cool thing.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I like the name.
• 31:00
  Anthony: I wish I was in that project again now.
• 31:03
  Anthony: Cause I, I learned so much, that was I think 2007.
• 31:08
  Anthony: So between 2007 and now I I've become much better at home recording and, and I wasn't really happy with the recordings that they did down there and the guy only charged a hundred bucks per song, which, you know, I guess we get what we paid for, but I could have done so much with that music thinking back.
• 31:26
  Anthony: I'm like, ah man.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And how much you could do with a hundred bucks now and your own studio.
• 31:33
  Anthony: Yep.
• 31:33
  Anthony: Yeah, exactly.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Can you tell me a little bit about your setup?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Like how are you doing this?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Like this sounds so good.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: So I'm sure people want to emulate that.
• 31:42
  Anthony: I have, um, most people laugh at me cause I use, I use FL studio 20 and everyone.
• 31:50
  Anthony: Um, everyone kind of says, you know, that's an amateur die, you should be using a studio one.
• 31:56
  Anthony: Or um, what's the other one everyone uses what's the pro pro tools pro tools.
• 32:04
  Anthony: And then they, you know, it's a monthly subscription.
• 32:06
  Anthony: Right.
• 32:06
  Anthony: And you have to like stay on top of it.
• 32:09
  Anthony: So I've gone to,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: So I can't really judge you at all.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Anything's more fancy than audacity
• 32:17
  Anthony: And, and, and honestly they're all, they're all great.
• 32:20
  Anthony: They all do the same exact thing.
• 32:21
  Anthony: It's, it's all about how you, how well you drive and how familiar you are with the, with, um, all the settings and all the plugins and everything.
• 32:29
  Anthony: Cause if I didn't tell you, I use FL studio to record that.
• 32:32
  Anthony: And I said, I use pro tools.
• 32:34
  Anthony: Maybe if you really know what you're doing, you may be able to say, yeah.
• 32:37
  Anthony: And I don't think so, but probably not.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I have, I think a lot of people have once they get to a certain level, they think that their ears like magical, but I have a hard time believing it because like frequency response, like there's only a certain amount that you can put in a song like you can't hear the export tool that exported the MP three file.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: You can't hear that in the MP3.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing anyone can really do that.
• 33:06
  Anthony: If you export songs, um, the same exact, uh, stems from, uh, different Dawes, they do get a different, slightly different export sound, which I haven't tested.
• 33:18
  Anthony: But you know, if that's the case, whatever you just learn to adapt with the DAW got to make it sound good.
• 33:25
  Anthony: So I mean, what I, I spent a lot of time on, on YouTube tutorials and when I first started using it, you basically just got to pick one and stick with it because if you start to use multiple different thoughts, you're going to just, you're wasting time.
• 33:38
  Anthony: You can just work on one master and get everything you need to know, learn everything you possibly can for what you're doing.
• 33:44
  Anthony: I started off making beats with it and then I realized, Hey, I can, I can do the same exact thing with guitar.
• 33:49
  Anthony: Just turn the guitar into a sample, you know, and chop it up and do it that way and kind of move things around and add layers and add money.
• 33:58
  Anthony: So it all kind of blends itself together.
• 34:01
  Anthony: And I just spend a lot of time relistening over and over and tweaking knobs.
• 34:06
  Anthony: I'm like a perfectionist and in the way I listen.
• 34:09
  Anthony: So it's not like it comes through and it's automatically like sounding like that.
• 34:13
  Anthony: I have a lot of different tricks that I've learned, um, as far as like mixing and panning and you know, different plugins that I use for guitar compared to different plugins I use for vocals and reverb on snare and all that.
• 34:27
  Anthony: The drums get drums are a whole nother level.
• 34:30
  Anthony: Cause you got, I mean, when I record my drum kit, I have nine mics set up on my kit.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask that cause miking a drum kits, a pretty serious endeavor.
• 34:40
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Anthony: It's in that space.
• 34:41
  Anthony: You know, if I was going to sit down, I simplify it for a lot of the tracks.
• 34:44
  Anthony: I don't use online mix, but I can, if I do that in my two of my drum videos and I have nine Mike's and five GoPros going at once to record a couple of different angles of the drum, jump videos and stuff.
• 34:56
  Anthony: And then you get to edit that all together at the end.
• 34:58
  Anthony: It's it's cool.
• 35:00
  Anthony: Just take some time, but yeah, it's the same thing with the nine, nine mix on the drums.
• 35:04
  Anthony: Like, all right, you got to focus on the kick, the snare, the overheads, every single one of them has to be que differently.
• 35:09
  Anthony: You know, you add your right,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: You're going to pay attention.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Every one of those nine mikes.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I like, I think four Mike's is hard enough and imagine having nine of them to deal with, and that's just one instrument, like that's not like the whole band, that's just one instrument.
• 35:25
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Anthony: And then, you know, Matt gives me quite a few stems to work with and I'll end up panning them right.
• 35:29
  Anthony: And left and, and center.
• 35:31
  Anthony: So it makes it sound for kind of stereos.
• 35:33
  Anthony: And um, and I have some tricks that I use when everything's, I get the mix like as close as I can to perfect.
• 35:39
  Anthony: And then I spend a lot of time getting that mix almost to the point where I'd call it good.
• 35:44
  Anthony: And I have like this extra trick that I do to master it.
• 35:48
  Anthony: And that just like totally brings it out to another level once it's all done.
• 35:52
  Anthony: And uh, so yeah, the mastering part of it, a lot of people overlook, they think you just go in and you can, you can mix everything and it sounds great.
• 35:59
  Anthony: But then you do have to take that extra step where you listened to the overall completion of the mix and then you tweak that final, final wave file
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: That I think is the really hard part.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of home recorders recording studios.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Cause I did the same kind of thing you did.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: It was funny when you said that I went with a high school band down to this place in Massachusetts and we paid them a couple hundred bucks to record like four songs, something like that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: And it was just these guys basement.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Like it wasn't, it was not a legitimate business.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: There was no like contract.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: It was like, here is$200 in cash.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And the, the mastering on the track felt so weird looking back and listening back to what it said, it sounded nothing like we really did.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And like in public it was just really interesting cause like they clearly weren't, you know, they weren't professionals, but it was just funny how much the mastering, cause we heard it before he mastered it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: We heard are like raw recordings.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Like that doesn't sound bad.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: That sounds like us.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And then the next day he gave us the mastered versions.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: We're like,
• 37:10
  Anthony: Whoa, it didn't didn't sound good.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: It wasn't terrible.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I would say for a home recording studio for a high school band, it was pretty good.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: But looking back, like there was just some weird EEQ stuff that sounds really wonky to me.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Now that being said, I'm a lot older and I'm probably a lot more judgmental.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I have a more seasoned ear, but even back then, I was like, it kinda sounds like we're in a tin can or something like somethings
• 37:41
  Anthony: It's easy, easy to overprocess or over tweak.
• 37:45
  Anthony: And uh, if you use the wrong plugin and yeah.
• 37:49
  Anthony: And then it just, uh, it's, it's all about taking breaks and letting your years rest.
• 37:54
  Anthony: Cause your ears do get tired too.
• 37:56
  Anthony: And you're listening to it over and over.
• 37:58
  Anthony: Oh yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: You can listen to one little section a hundred times and you'll think it sounds terrible.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: And then you'll listen to like the whole thing, like a 32nd section with that little piece in it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And you're like, it sounds fine.
• 38:12
  Anthony: Or the other, the other part of this too.
• 38:13
  Anthony: Oh yeah.
• 38:14
  Anthony: So, so you finished that part and you're like, this sounds great on my monitors, you know, on my computer, not my, um, my studio monitors and it sounds great on my headphones and then you take it out to your car and you give it the car test and they're like, Oh man, what the heck happened with the base here?
• 38:29
  Anthony: So, and then you gotta go back retweak, go back to your car.
• 38:33
  Anthony: Sounds great.
• 38:34
  Anthony: Got it.
• 38:34
  Anthony: All right.
• 38:34
  Anthony: Now go to the living room and test it on the home stereo.
• 38:38
  Anthony: Uh, you know, the 7.1 surround sounds, you know, it sounds, and then it's like, okay, once you get all of those finally tweaked and sounding good, then you can, you can kind of share it
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: That a hundred percent is something that I've learned.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And I've kind of learned it painfully because I'm producing this podcast and okay.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I'll listen to my headphones.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Sounds good.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I listen on the computer.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: It sounds good.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, it's okay.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: And then I listen on my cell phone.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, it's so quiet.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Like I should have done this before I actually released it.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Like I've gone back into like four episodes and push the volume back up because I should have done that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Like that is a golden tip.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: If you are recording, make sure it sounds good on every device you can
• 39:23
  Anthony: And you can actually use a limiter, um, for your vocal.
• 39:26
  Anthony: So you can, you can keep them out, um, just to make sure everything's maxed and normalized.
• 39:32
  Anthony: But yeah, it just, everything like that adds up and I've spent so much time doing it.
• 39:37
  Anthony: I've got to for, especially for the style of music we're doing, I've got a pretty good system down.
• 39:42
  Anthony: Um, I know pretty much what range the singers in.
• 39:47
  Anthony: So I can kind of EEQ his vocals quickly at this point, it takes a long time to figure that out.
• 39:52
  Anthony: But once you figure out what his ranges are and when you sing in harmonies and what his Rangers are just seeing, normally you can kind of peak those EQs and bring them down.
• 40:02
  Anthony: And the other parts of the mix to give them room, give them space.
• 40:06
  Anthony: And uh, yeah, it's, it's just a lot of tweaking and then eventually you're like, I gotta take a break and then once you've, once you've posted it once you're happy with it.
• 40:15
  Anthony: It's it's really cool.
• 40:16
  Anthony: Cause then you feel like, alright, I'm done moving on next one.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Apparently when it, when you're you, you make three of these songs a week practically, which is so insane.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I'm still like just giving you kudos.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I'm so impressed.
• 40:31
  Anthony: Yeah, no it's, it's uh, it's certainly something I enjoy.
• 40:34
  Anthony: It's um, you know, it's, uh, I love my kids.
• 40:37
  Anthony: I love my wife, but I love to also detach at the end of the day, especially with everything that's going on.
• 40:42
  Anthony: It's very easy to get stressed out and kind of caught up and in the bad news everywhere.
• 40:48
  Anthony: And uh, it's it's yeah, it's just a way to disconnect.
• 40:53
  Anthony: And, and some of my songs, you know, I've noticed even some of the beats that I've made, some of the chord progressions I use are kinda more on the darker side and was just a feeling in the, in the air right now, you know?
• 41:05
  Anthony: So it's funny how that gets reflected.
• 41:07
  Anthony: It's like, Oh, that's those chords, you know, they hit home.
• 41:09
  Anthony: Those, those dark chords right now.
• 41:11
  Anthony: So eventually hopefully start putting together some happier tracks when it comes to the, uh, the chord progressions.
• 41:17
  Anthony: But yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: So Epic though, I'm kind of like, I'm shocked in all honesty, like you guys should, I don't know, get together and do a photo shoot where you all look Epic together because it is that ethic.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Like, it really is one of those bands that I'm like, wow, this is something I want, I want a CD in my car.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Like I want to listen to you guys just regular life, which a lot of people, like, some people can listen to every single band in the world.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I am someone who will throw on the radio and listen every band in the world.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: But what I want to listen to somebody I'm pretty picky.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Like I'm putting on the album, I'm getting into it and this is a hundred percent music that I'm gonna put on the album and I'm going to get into this.
• 41:58
  Anthony: That's cool.
• 41:59
  Anthony: Now we were going to keep going.
• 42:00
  Anthony: I think we're just getting started as far as, um, kind of getting in our flow.
• 42:05
  Anthony: So yeah, this last song was the quickest I've ever done a song to be honest, but it just happened to go like that, you know, very quickly.
• 42:12
  Anthony: Um, but I'm, I'm hoping we can start doing our Craigslist ad said we'd like to put out a song a week.
• 42:17
  Anthony: You know, we were looking for a singer who's who's was able to keep up with that kind of, uh, uh, momentum.
• 42:24
  Anthony: Um, so yeah, this guy seems like his name's Blair shed, by the way, I should have mentioned his name, Blair shed from, uh, like Maureen and his, his buddy Shawn dollar is also from Lake Morton.
• 42:33
  Anthony: He plays bass.
• 42:34
  Anthony: And then yeah, so he's, he's also got the same setup.
• 42:39
  Anthony: He's able to record his base.
• 42:41
  Anthony: You know, I don't think he's recorded in all the tracks so far.
• 42:45
  Anthony: Cause Matt usually plays a bass track and adds it and then just for, just to have as a reference track.
• 42:51
  Anthony: Right?
• 42:52
  Anthony: Yep.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: So cool.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: You shit, when you come up with, I don't know if you've made a Facebook page for your band yet or any sort of other online place besides the reverb nation.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like you should definitely, even if you guys don't want to do it yourselves, give some time to how you're doing this, because it is incredibly impressive.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Like, I feel like this is something that they should almost teach this in music schools to people like, how do you do this?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Because it wasn't even possible 30 years ago.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: It's possible now and you clearly can do it really well.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: And I just feel like you could really actually help people and benefit from sharing that information with other people.
• 43:34
  Anthony: I totally, I feel like it's something that's like obvious, but I guess maybe it's not,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's odd.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people really struggle with this stuff.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Cause even just recording yourself like that, that initial recording, even a cell phone recording is so hard.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: When, when you think of those kids, when you're starting playing music and a lot of people never get out of that zone, like a 16 year old.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want to record myself.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Like as soon as you start recording, they get awkward and I'm guilty of it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of people are guilty of that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: So I think a lot of people really don't eat this doesn't even cross their mind that this is a possibility and they probably don't realize how good it could be.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: They probably think, Oh, well, you know, that's not gonna sound good.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Clearly not.
• 44:22
  Anthony: And then I've gotten that feedback too, is it doesn't have that, that same feel of, you know, it, you can kind of hear that it's, it's not the bass and drums aren't they don't sound as connected.
• 44:33
  Anthony: And I, I don't know.
• 44:33
  Anthony: I don't necessarily, I've heard it.
• 44:35
  Anthony: I know it.
• 44:36
  Anthony: I can understand that.
• 44:37
  Anthony: I can, I can, I've heard it in a couple of tracks and I fix it.
• 44:41
  Anthony: Uh, but yeah, it's definitely a little different than normal you to go to the studio and the bass, the bass and the drum roll jam out to the bass track, you know, and then you have that as your, as your baseline flow.
• 44:51
  Anthony: But I just, um, I think you could get over that.
• 44:54
  Anthony: I think he can
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: You, did you a hundred percent got over that?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: There is, I don't hear any of that in this audio track.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: It's phenomenal, but I really do.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a, what a strong belief is that one, they couldn't do it two recordings hard and scary.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And like, there's just a lot of mental blockage keeping people from doing this sort of thing.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: But right now at this moment, people are starting to open up to the whole concept of recording through video chat and just, okay, we can't see each other.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: So now we have to make this work in a different way and you are making it work perfectly like you are the thing like that person everyone's going to want to emulate in terms of making music right now.
• 45:41
  Anthony: Thank you know that that's um, I appreciate that, that compliment.
• 45:44
  Anthony: Cause I do spend a lot of time trying to get it to sound just right.
• 45:47
  Anthony: And I'm always learning every day.
• 45:48
  Anthony: I'm like, all right, let's see what else is going on in the NFL studio world.
• 45:53
  Anthony: What's new and what are some new techniques?
• 45:56
  Anthony: Um, so yeah, it never ends.
• 45:57
  Anthony: It's not like, I feel like I've learned everything.
• 45:59
  Anthony: It's, it's a never ending a never ending learning experience for sure.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I am want to just say thank you so much for coming on and talking to me today, I'm going to try and make the show notes for this one extra special and try and break down what you did a little bit.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: So the third people hopefully can do this.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Cause I talked to so many different bands and musicians and everyone kind of, you know, the, the little recordings, but you're the first people that I've met.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Who've done this completely localized.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Like you're not together at all.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of people do the recordings and they'll okay, you go drummer and you go basis.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: And like, they'll be together and they'll do the recording separately.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: But not now at home.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Not, you know, you're not video chatting while you do this.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Like this is this at home task.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: You do it yourself.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: You hand it off and you create something that sounds like a huge collaboration.
• 46:55
  Anthony: That's probably the best part is you, you do it at home.
• 46:57
  Anthony: There's no pressure.
• 46:58
  Anthony: You're not in a studio.
• 46:59
  Anthony: Get, you know, with like 10 people watching you and trying to nail a take, you know, in the comfort of your own home.
• 47:05
  Anthony: And you're spending doing as many takes as you need to do to get it right.
• 47:09
  Anthony: But at the same time, it doesn't take that many takes when you're in the comfort of your home.
• 47:12
  Anthony: So it's, it's kind of a win, win, and then you get to take, you want, and uh, you know, you don't spend too much time worrying about hitting that record button and kind of freezing.
• 47:22
  Anthony: It's just like, all right, cool.
• 47:23
  Anthony: I got as many times as I want here, there's no time limit,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Like you said, nothing to be embarrassed about that being in the studio and the pressure and you know, especially when you're someone who's new at it, I feel like a lot of bands really haven't gotten into a studio enough that they're really comfortable walking in there and confident doing that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Cause that, that made me play funny.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Like when I was being recorded for the first time in a real way, not like a, you know, this is on recording.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: We're just doing whatever.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: When I had people who are claiming to be, you know, talented recording artists, looking at me that really made me nervous.
• 48:03
  Anthony: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 48:05
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 48:06
  Anthony: You totally get away from all that and you get the sound you want, so it's not like there's pressure and yeah.
• 48:11
  Anthony: It's cool.
• 48:11
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: And if you can do the mastering yourself, you can really do whatever you want.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: It's so cool.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Such a cool world.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: We live in today where we can do stuff like this.
• 48:21
  Anthony: It's amazing, you know, five years ago, I'm not even sure you could do something like this cause you couldn't share file, share big files as easily.
• 48:28
  Anthony: Now you've got Dropbox and Gmail lets you share pretty big files at a time.
• 48:34
  Anthony: But before that is like, how do you share these massive files?
• 48:38
  Anthony: You gotta write,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: You have to like zip them and email the men.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It's a whole process
• 48:43
  Anthony: Or email or snail mail, a thumb drive.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Cause I've heard people that would, I knew a bass player and he was not like a technical guy at all, but that's actually what they were doing.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: He had friends in Boston probably 15 years ago would send him a cassette tape that he would play with and record another one and like send it back.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the heck they ended up doing with them.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: But he was playing bass for this band that was somehow using his tape recordings.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: And it was literally snail.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I always wonder what happened with those.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I wonder how they sounded
• 49:21
  Anthony: Probably sell vintage.
• 49:22
  Anthony: Yeah, no, that's an interesting, you know, back then you just adapt.
• 49:25
  Anthony: You gotta wonder what it's going to be like with the, with the five G movement.
• 49:30
  Anthony: You know, there's a lot of talk about that and the zero latency and you know, yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: That'll be phenomenal when we can actually play together online.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm excited for that one when you're one, two, three, four actually ends all on the same point on four and you can play it again.
• 49:47
  Anthony: Yeah.
• 49:47
  Anthony: There's, there's absolutely no way to do that.
• 49:49
  Anthony: Now as a drummer, you lose your mind hearing that I lived most of my day job is I'm talking to Singapore and Dresden and Santa Clara I'm hardly ever in a, in a real meeting.
• 50:02
  Anthony: So I, yeah.
• 50:03
  Anthony: I deal with all those audio problems on a regular basis.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: That must drive you nuts.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Even just having to do that for like an hour is stressful when there's bad audio, but when it's a lot frequently.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: And when you're someone who you can clearly, you know, discern audio pretty well, it probably drives you totally know if someone's
• 50:28
  Anthony: Using like their old, you know, microphone, it just like rubbing on their shirt or whatever.
• 50:37
  Becca: Oh, okay.
• 50:37
  Becca: Thank you so much, Anthony, for being on the show today.
• 50:40
  Becca: I really can't.
• 50:42
  Becca: Thank you enough.
• 50:42
  Becca: This has been a lot of fun.
• 50:44
  Anthony: Thank you, Becca.
• 50:45
  Anthony: That was awesome.
• 50:46
  Anthony: Thank you.
• 50:49
  Becca: Thank you so much for listening to the end of the episode today and huge.
• 50:52
  Becca: Thank you to Anthony for coming on the show.
• 50:55
  Becca: What a great talented musician and what Epic master tracks.
• 51:00
  Becca: I still can't believe these are coming from a home studio.
• 51:02
  Becca: Honestly.
• 51:03
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• 51:04
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• 51:07
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• 51:18
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• 51:20
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