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Steve Price | 18 April · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: This is Steve Pryce.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to this good Friday edition of the program. In
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  Speaker 2: the middle of what you must say is a fractured
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  Speaker 2: election campaign. Steve Price with you with our normal Friday
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  Speaker 2: night rundown and this four day Easter break and next weekend,
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  Speaker 2: of course you have a three day and Zach long weekend.
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  Speaker 2: This has made I think the twenty twenty five rears
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  Speaker 2: old of this election extremely hard to predict. The polls
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  Speaker 2: and the bookies though, are making it look very grim
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  Speaker 2: for the coalition. We'll unpack the election week that was
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  Speaker 2: and we'll throw forward to what might happen when I
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  Speaker 2: presume hostilities resume tomorrow on Easter Saturday. Now coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on the program, Climate change and its impact on
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  Speaker 2: this election exploded this week when the Opposition leader Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton said this during the Leader's debate on the ABC.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, David, because I'm not a scientist, and
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  Speaker 3: I think the honest answer for most people is that
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  Speaker 3: they don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was called a climate denialist. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: it deserved the attention it got. And it comes in
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  Speaker 2: a week of course, where a climate Impact on insurance
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  Speaker 2: Claims report made some absurd ideas the Libs. John o'dunheam
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  Speaker 2: will be with us shortly and we'll find out what
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  Speaker 2: he makes of all of that. Also coming up. The
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  Speaker 2: campaign was also rocked by claims Russia had asked Indonesia,
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  Speaker 2: can you believe it if they could rotate bomber aircraft
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  Speaker 2: out of territory of our biggest neighbor. The Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: didn't seem to even know much about it. A great
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  Speaker 2: column in The Australian by Peter Jennings explained it all.
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  Speaker 2: Explain what's really going on. He'll be with us very
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  Speaker 2: shortly also tonight. Plus what does the three day East
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  Speaker 2: of break mean? It's actually four days? What does it
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  Speaker 2: mean in modern Australia for Christians. I'll be joined by
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  Speaker 2: Pastor Rob Buckingham. He'll try and explain what that means.
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  Speaker 2: But first, so modern Australian elections, as we all know,
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  Speaker 2: in the recent past, have had at their core the
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  Speaker 2: thorny issue of climate change. Now, this time around cost
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  Speaker 2: of living has pushed that issue down the order of merit,
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  Speaker 2: but it is a major point of difference still between
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  Speaker 2: the two major parties. Now I'll leave out the Greens
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  Speaker 2: who are just blindly obsessed with climate change. But as
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned, Labour attacked Peter Dutton over comments during that
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  Speaker 2: ABC debate. But it was a Climate Council remember that name.
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  Speaker 2: A Climate Council report this week that made some incredibly
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  Speaker 2: inflammatory claims. What is it with outfits like this that
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  Speaker 2: they feel the need to exaggerate and get hysterical about
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  Speaker 2: climate Well, I'll tell you who the Climate Council is shortly,
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  Speaker 2: but one of the more vocal members of the Climate
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  Speaker 2: Council I've spoken about before. I've actually interviewed him before.
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  Speaker 2: His name's Greg Mullins, whose claim to fame is that
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  Speaker 2: he was once the chief of New South Wales Fire
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  Speaker 2: and Rescue and he did a great job in that role.
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  Speaker 2: But in my view Mullins is now an alarmist. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't believe me, let me give you just
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  Speaker 2: one quote from him in this report. He says, quote
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  Speaker 2: as the climate Risk Map and Report makes distressingly clear,
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  Speaker 2: no home or business is now safe from the devastating
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  Speaker 2: consequences of burning fossil fuels, No home or business anywhere
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. It gets worse. Quoting him again, he says,
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  Speaker 2: even if you're an electorate is in a low risk zone.
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  Speaker 2: It does not mean fires or floods won't happen in
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  Speaker 2: your local area because climate change has rewritten the rules.
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  Speaker 2: End of quote. Let's just think about that for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: In the real world. Mullins uses the Los Angeles wildfires.
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  Speaker 2: He references fires in London that I don't recall, and
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  Speaker 2: he talks about Japan, and then he talks about our
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  Speaker 2: own black Saturday and black Summer, all the while ignoring,
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  Speaker 2: particularly here in Australia, the lack of backburning and human
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  Speaker 2: intervention also known as firebugs and arsonists. Now the report
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  Speaker 2: he is sprooking is published with a doomsday headline. They
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  Speaker 2: love this stuff, these people. The headline is two million
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  Speaker 2: properties in the firing line. And then this how climate
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  Speaker 2: change threatens the Great Australian Dream. I mean, seriously, give
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  Speaker 2: me a break. Is that all these zelots have screaming
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  Speaker 2: headlines to scare them for Jesus out of people. The
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  Speaker 2: summary says, the report exposes the electorates where businesses and
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  Speaker 2: homes most at risk from climate change, climate fueled flooding, bushfires,
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  Speaker 2: tropical cyclone winds, coastal inundation and extreme wind The most
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  Speaker 2: extreme wind is in the language used in pedal this
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  Speaker 2: stuff in this report. So who are the Climate Council. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they were born out of the forgive Me for the
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  Speaker 2: pun Ashes of the Climate Commission, which was abolished in
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen by the Abbot government by Tony Abbott. That
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  Speaker 2: gives you an idea of their political leanings. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: Professor Tim Flannery, he of the famous quote even the
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  Speaker 2: rains that fall won't fill our dams, Well now apparently
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  Speaker 2: we are all going to be flooded. He's also on
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  Speaker 2: the Climate Council. The new report is called at our
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  Speaker 2: front Door more emotional, arm resting and twisting, and I'll
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  Speaker 2: leave the rest of the report in the bin where
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  Speaker 2: it belongs. It makes this claim quote one in twenty
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  Speaker 2: three Australian homes, one in twenty three Australian homes or businesses,
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  Speaker 2: or six hundred and fifty two four hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 2: four properties across the country are already at high risk
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  Speaker 2: from one or more hazards that have been made more
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  Speaker 2: dangerous by climate pollution, and another one point five five
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  Speaker 2: million properties one and a half million are at moderate risk.
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  Speaker 2: They then talk about high risk and inability to get insurance.
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  Speaker 2: It's all doom and gloom, and at its heart, Australia
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  Speaker 2: has to do more to limit our impact on global
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  Speaker 2: warming than say, all of those other countries like China
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  Speaker 2: and India and most of Africa. They don't have to
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  Speaker 2: do anything, while this mob want us to actually torch
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  Speaker 2: our economy, which they have no impact at all on
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  Speaker 2: the global situation. I mean, average Australians are waking up
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  Speaker 2: to these panic merchants and doomsayers, and as I predict
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  Speaker 2: this election will show, as the Greens vote continues, I
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  Speaker 2: hope to slide. Happy Easter. Let's bring in Tasmanian senator
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  Speaker 2: and the shadow Environment Minister. Best time to talk to him,
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunham. Good to see you again on Good Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on this public holiday. Why is
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  Speaker 2: it that outfits like the Climate Council believe they have
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  Speaker 2: to scare people into thinking about climate change. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we all know climate change exists, we all accept that.
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  Speaker 2: But while all this doomsday stuff, well, this.
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  Speaker 4: Is a business model for the zealots in our community
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  Speaker 4: that really want to drum up support for what they
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  Speaker 4: stand for. So the Climate Council and you've mentioned some
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  Speaker 4: of their members there, of course, want to drive people
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  Speaker 4: to this way of thinking because there's a political agenda
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  Speaker 4: there for those political outfits that attach themselves to this
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  Speaker 4: way of thinking, like the Greens, like Climate two hundred.
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  Speaker 4: It drives membership, it drives donations. I mean, the alarmism
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  Speaker 4: is a way of spooking people into doing something. I
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  Speaker 4: remember Bob Brown famously went down to the Hobart waterfront
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  Speaker 4: and painted this red line on the wall of a
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  Speaker 4: building down there, saying, by a certain year, the sea
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  Speaker 4: level of will have risen to that level. Well, that
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  Speaker 4: year has come and gone and the sea has.
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  Speaker 1: Not hit that red line on the wall.
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  Speaker 4: And I might add when he painted that line on
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  Speaker 4: the wall, his office was on a pier over the
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  Speaker 4: Do River, about three hundred meters from that line on
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  Speaker 4: the wall, So he can't have been too worried. You've
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  Speaker 4: mentioned Tim Flannery. These people, these profits of doom, simply
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  Speaker 4: just drumming up support for a business model, and that
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  Speaker 4: is the climate business model. And frankly, no one wins
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  Speaker 4: out of it. And had it been three years ago,
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  Speaker 4: it might have made a difference in people's thinking. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: people are worried about paying their bills, paying them or wage,
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  Speaker 4: keeping food on the table and keeping warm this winter.
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  Speaker 4: These people have missed the vote on this issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mentioned, of course that the cost of living
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  Speaker 2: is now number one issue in the election and climate
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  Speaker 2: has dropped down the scale a little bit. But one
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  Speaker 2: of the problems, Senator, is that they scare our children
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  Speaker 2: and this stuff gets taught in school. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: still happening today. And so you have kids who come
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  Speaker 2: out of our education system and then going to university
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  Speaker 2: where they get told this stuff again. They're all going
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  Speaker 2: and ticking green on voting slip because they actually believe
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  Speaker 2: this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And look, can I tell you these poor university students
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  Speaker 4: who come out the end of the education system having
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  Speaker 4: been indoctrinated. Yes, you're right, they do vote because that's
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  Speaker 4: what they're taught in school. Mercifully, I had a couple
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  Speaker 4: of lecturers at university that were able to give us
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  Speaker 4: a counterpoint on my way through the University of Tasmania.
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  Speaker 4: But so many kids in primary and high school and
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  Speaker 4: university don't get that, and so that's how they go
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  Speaker 4: into the world and they are conned. And so it
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  Speaker 4: is a massive concern. But you know, I think self
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  Speaker 4: interest is the horse who always back in any race.
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  Speaker 4: And when punters are paying more for energy, more for groceries,
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  Speaker 4: more on their mortgage, and the people who are saying
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  Speaker 4: what the problem is, and the problem happens to be
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  Speaker 4: climate change, well people are not any better off when
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  Speaker 4: we follow those people and vote for them. So I
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  Speaker 4: think you're right. You said it earlier on. People are
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  Speaker 4: wising up to it, and I really hope that this
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  Speaker 4: election people do cast.
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  Speaker 1: Their vote accordingly.
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  Speaker 4: Don't follow the alarmists, don't follow the doom sayers, go
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  Speaker 4: with common sense and do the right thing by yourselves
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  Speaker 4: in this country.
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  Speaker 2: So after that debate on the ABC this week, Labor
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  Speaker 2: left on comments regarding climate change and started labeling Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton a climate change denier. Well, that sort of smear
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  Speaker 2: campaign work, do you think?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 4: Look, and again, this is an argument that might have
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  Speaker 4: had some sway three years ago, when people were in
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  Speaker 4: better times where they could afford to, you know, let's say,
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  Speaker 4: worry about things other than how much money they had
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  Speaker 4: at the end of a fortnite to pay for other
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  Speaker 4: things like power bills, et cetera. But honestly, it's tone death. Again,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it might work in Ultimow, it might work
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  Speaker 4: in the seat of coup Yong, it might work inner
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  Speaker 4: city Sydney, Melbourne. But I'll tell you what I've been
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  Speaker 4: outdoor knocking. No one is raising this issue with me.
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  Speaker 4: And since the debate either, you know, people aren't going
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  Speaker 4: I heard what Peter Dutton had to say and I'm
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  Speaker 4: worried about his stance on climate. No, they want cheaper petrol,
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  Speaker 4: they want mortgage rates to come down, they want our
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  Speaker 4: taxpayers money spent wisely. They want their communities to be
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  Speaker 4: more safe and better access to health services. So if
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  Speaker 4: the Labor Party and their bed for that, the ABC
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  Speaker 4: want to prosecute this argument, then go for gold. They're
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  Speaker 4: going to be missing a lot of people out there
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  Speaker 4: who don't agree with them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one of the other things you'd be hearing when
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  Speaker 2: you knock on those doors is the cost of electricity. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Australian newspaper reporting today that power builds will jump by
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  Speaker 2: fifteen percent come December. That's after the Albanezi government's rebates
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  Speaker 2: of one hundred and fifty dollars come off. The Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister's refusing to even utter the word power bill and
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  Speaker 2: going down Are you going to let him get away
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  Speaker 2: with that between now in May three or are you
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  Speaker 2: going to concentrate on that.
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  Speaker 4: No way in hell, Steve, can we let him off
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  Speaker 4: the hook on this fut I mean, the biggest problem
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  Speaker 4: here is the promises were made, and we've talked about
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  Speaker 4: them ad nauseum of two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 4: better off by this year twenty twenty five. That hasn't happened,
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  Speaker 4: and they have stuck to their guns about what they
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  Speaker 4: believe the pathway should be, this ideological transition to full
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  Speaker 4: green electricity. Well, that is what's driving up power prices.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that power prices keep going up and they're
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  Speaker 4: doing nothing about it is what is most alarming about
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  Speaker 4: where this government is going. They refuse to talk nuclear,
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  Speaker 4: They sort of vaguely reference gas as part of the mix,
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  Speaker 4: but it's all about renewables and everyone knows that is
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  Speaker 4: not the answer. It's not going to lead to lower
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  Speaker 4: power prices, in fact higher. So I think you'll find
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  Speaker 4: over the next two weeks we are going to be
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  Speaker 4: very very much focused on that very basic issue, the
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  Speaker 4: broken promise from the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Of two seventy five better off every year with your.
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  Speaker 4: Power bills and what our alternative will be, and how
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  Speaker 4: much better off Australians will be. It's very much front
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  Speaker 4: and center of what people are thinking when about door knocking.
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  Speaker 4: It's what we've got to be talking about through the
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  Speaker 4: whole campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Senator, thanks for joining us on Good Friday. You have
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  Speaker 2: a good east to break with your family. Now I
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  Speaker 2: want to turn my attention to regional security. It was
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  Speaker 2: front center in the election campaign this week when a
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  Speaker 2: respected defense website suggested that Russia had been in talks
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  Speaker 2: with their Indonesian counterparts about using an air base in
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  Speaker 2: the eastern part of the part of Indonesia, which of
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  Speaker 2: course is our most populated neighbor. The idea set of
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  Speaker 2: arm bells ringing, but our Prime Minister didn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: actually get the urgency of the idea, seemingly brushing it
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  Speaker 2: off as well. Nothing really to see here in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of an election campaign.
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  Speaker 4: You keep saying you seek in information about this incident
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  Speaker 4: from Indonesia, but it sounds like you haven't heard back
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  Speaker 4: from India.
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  Speaker 5: We're seeking return to your poor No, we are seeking
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  Speaker 5: further information from Indonesia, as you're aware, as you're aware
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  Speaker 5: I've been traveling from Hobart to here with you or
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  Speaker 5: on a different plane.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I.
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  Speaker 2: Hope you got that information that he needed now put
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  Speaker 2: a dutton. On the other hand, was seen to have
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  Speaker 2: verbal somehow. The Indonesian President Subianto claimed that he later
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  Speaker 2: apologized for.
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  Speaker 6: You said the Indonesian president had publicly announced this Russian
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  Speaker 6: request when he had not.
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  Speaker 2: So was that a mistake?
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  Speaker 7: It was a mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: Well. The best analysis of what might be happening in
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  Speaker 2: our north, in our region, with the prospect of Russian
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  Speaker 2: planes being able to reach the Australian mainland from this base,
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  Speaker 2: I think it came from an excellent opinion piece in
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  Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper by Peter Jennings from Strategic Analysis. He
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  Speaker 2: joins me, Now at the heart of your piece is
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  Speaker 2: something most disturbing, unless I've read it wrong, the relationship
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  Speaker 2: between Australia, I mean Canberra and Jakarta, Peter, doesn't appear
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  Speaker 2: to be as strong as it has historically been.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the relationship has gone up and down over the decades,
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  Speaker 8: usually with some low points spying allegations when those Australians
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  Speaker 8: were executed for drug trafficking. There have been some pretty
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  Speaker 8: low points, certainly around the time of East Teamors independence
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  Speaker 8: as well. You know, we've long called to get closer
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  Speaker 8: and to develop more of a strategic relationship with Indonesia,
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  Speaker 8: but it's just not happening. And the truth of the
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  Speaker 8: matter is, Steve, I think that you know, Proboo Subianto,
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  Speaker 8: the new president, he doesn't see Australia as a high priority.
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  Speaker 8: Just after he was elected, before he was sworn in,
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  Speaker 8: but just after he was elected, he made us one
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  Speaker 8: of his first visits to Moscow to meet his great friend,
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  Speaker 8: as he called him, Vladimir Putin, and said that he
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  Speaker 8: wants to have a closer relationship with Russia. So Indonesia
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  Speaker 8: is following its own foreign policy. It doesn't see Australia
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  Speaker 8: as a high priority. And I think our Prime Minister
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  Speaker 8: is frankly over confident or underinformed or both if he
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  Speaker 8: says that we've got a good relationship with Jakarta's just
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  Speaker 8: not correct.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a few days since this story was revealed
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  Speaker 2: by that military journal as you've distilled it, do you
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  Speaker 2: believe it to be a fact that Russia wanted to
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  Speaker 2: do this, and why would they want a military presence
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  Speaker 2: in a part of Indonesia.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the Russians have confirmed in fact that yes, they're
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  Speaker 8: interested in basing aircraft Indonesia, and I think the reasons
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  Speaker 8: they want to do that are. Firstly, Vladimir Putin sees
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  Speaker 8: Russia as a country with global strategic interests. They're very
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  Speaker 8: active in Africa these days, They've been active in the
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  Speaker 8: Middle East, they had a very close relationship once with Vietnam.
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  Speaker 8: They're the major supplier of weapons, particularly to the Indonesian
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  Speaker 8: Air Force, and they see Indonesia as a source of
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  Speaker 8: commodities and a place that wants to buy Russian oil.
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  Speaker 8: So all of these actors are coming together. The dismissal
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  Speaker 8: of this idea of a base really came from the
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  Speaker 8: Indonesian Foreign Ministry saying, well, look, there won't be a
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  Speaker 8: Russian base, but it actually said we're happy to have
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  Speaker 8: the forces of other countries flying as long as they're
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  Speaker 8: doing so peacefully out of Indonesian bases. So it's not
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  Speaker 8: really a complete denial. And what we certainly have from
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  Speaker 8: President Proboo is an indication that he wants to do
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  Speaker 8: more with Russia and is moving quickly in that direction.
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  Speaker 2: Peter I mean the Americans wouldn't be happy about this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I looked on the map. It's not hard
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  Speaker 2: to work out those long range bombers would be able
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  Speaker 2: to get to Guam presumably, and they could certainly get
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  Speaker 2: to Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, so both north and south, there are strategic targets
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  Speaker 8: that the Russians might be interested in. And I think
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  Speaker 8: it's also worth mentioning Steve that another reason the Russians
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  Speaker 8: might be doing this is, of course the very close
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  Speaker 8: relationship that's developed between Moscow and Beijing. You know, Vladimir
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  Speaker 8: Putin is the international leader that China's premiere Sigemping has
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  Speaker 8: seen the most is met Putin over forty times.
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  Speaker 2: China would never be.
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  Speaker 8: Able to persuade Indonesia to let Chinese military aircraft operate
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  Speaker 8: out of a base there, because there's some pretty complicated
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  Speaker 8: history between China and Indonesia, but maybe Russia could. And
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  Speaker 8: so I think in one sense what we're seeing here
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  Speaker 8: is Putin in a sense offering Sigemping a favor. This
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  Speaker 8: complicates our life strategically. It certainly complicates the American military
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  Speaker 8: position in the Pacific because of Guam, and so there's
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  Speaker 8: a bunch of reasons. Why you know, China would be
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  Speaker 8: quite happy to see Russia establish a stronger military relationship
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  Speaker 8: with Indonesia as well.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Peter Jennings always good to catch up. Thank you. Great Easter.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Now coming out after the break, as we reached the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: midway point of this election campaign, I think it's time
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to check in on the progress of both parties and
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: ken the condition hold on to their coalition, hold on
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to their home tour, particularly in Queensland, including Peter Dutton's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: own seat which is very marginal. And talking about seats
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: in Brisbane, what about taking some seats off the Greens.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I'll be joined by someone who knows Queensland and Brisbane
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: extremely well from a premier, Campbell Newman, for that analysis.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Plus Pastor Rob Buckingham joins me to look at what
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Easter really means these days for Australians on this long weekend.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to this Good Friday edition of the program.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I'll be joined by Pastor Rob Buckingham in just one
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: moment to talk about Easter and Good Friday. Now, Old
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and Anthony Alberanez. They seem today to have
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: called some sort of a truce in campaigning, which they
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: really needed to do. We now have the Easter Long weekend.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It's a great time, I think, to go back, style
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: up and check the pulse of this election. I mean,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: people have called it boring. I'm not sure it's boring.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I certainly think that the way that the coalition are
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: traveling and what the polls are saying is not something
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that we expected to be at midway through. We've got
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: two weeks to go. When we resume, I presume they'll
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: be out on Easter Saturday. It is the midway point
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of the race. And who better to tell us how
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: things are, particularly in the very important seat of Queensland
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: around Brisbane. Form My Queensland Premier and Friday Night regular
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Campbell Newman joined us. Campbell, did you think we'd be
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: where we are two weeks in?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: No?
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: I didn't, Steve. Indeed, back at Australia Day, I thought
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: that Peter Dunton and the Liberal National Party coalition we're
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: in in a good position to actually pull off a
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: historical win. But I don't think that now. Mate. I'm
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: afraid to say.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think's gone wrong? Well?
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: I think what's happened, and of course I've got to declare,
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: as I often have on this program, that I'm a
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: member these days of the Libertarian Party. So I'm sort
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: of a bit torn here. What's happened is that the votes,
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: the primary vote of the Coalition has basically peeled away,
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: and the poles are showing quite clearly in my opinion,
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: that they're going to the minor parties of the right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: So Pauline Hanson, when I last the low one of
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: the last polls I looked at had gone up by
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: two percentage points, and other parties of the rights, such
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: as the Libertarian Party, have been getting votes as well.
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: So the Coalition's primary is down. The labor primary is
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: really sort of static. They've had their ongoing problems with
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: the Greens. But what it means is that the Coalition
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: to win are really going to need all those preference fires.
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: And why has that happened? Why has that been that bleed?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: For me, it's quite simple that on many occasions during
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: the campaign and the lead up prior to the official
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: waunt to the campaign, the Coalition looked labor life. They've
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: said and done things which have had people going, oh
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: my god. You know, really, it's as simple as that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: But I had a very interesting conversation with a Coalition
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: senator at a conference I was attending back in February,
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: and back then the primary was around thirty seven to
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: thirty eight according to the polls. I said, how do
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: you get it? I knew this guy, I've known him
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: for many years, and I said, how do you get
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: the primary to forty one? Because that's what you need
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: to get a win. And I said, there are certain
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: titanic issues that are important to conservatives and you need
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: to speak up on some of those. And he just said, oh, Campbell,
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: it's all about the cost of living. I said, well,
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: yes it is, but that's what certain people out there
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: are looking for and we haven't seen it. I'm one
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: of those people. That's why there's been some great disappointment
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: and that bleed votes.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: We'll give us an example of one of those conservative
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: issues that you're talking about that you haven't heard enough
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: about as a well in a global and you've got
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: a vote like everyone else, we.
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: Well in a global sense. I've been dismayed about the
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: Coalition sort of approach. A heck of a lot of
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: it seems to have been yes, we'll do that. As well,
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: emulating perhaps to David Chris of Fawley's election campaign in
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: the Queensland state election last year, but it's just the
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: it's like the Liberal Party have just abandoned any sense
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: of fiscal responsibility.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: Another example which I thought, look that they were courageous
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: to go with nuclear fantastic, but then they haven't defended it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: they haven't pushed it, they haven't explained it, and so
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: now it's just a liability. I got the most extraordinary
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: piece of Labor Party disgraceful propaganda in my letterbox last
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: night here in Brisbane. It was a mocked up power
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: bill supposedly saying what my power bill would be because
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: of Peter and Dutton and going for nuclear energy. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: a very effective piece of propaganda. It will be in
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: some households and I just go, well, if you were
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: going to have the guts to go out on that platform,
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: surely you need to be committed to defend it, to
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: push it, to absolutely make the case. And we haven't
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: really seen that. But again, I think the big thing
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: that's really dismaying the true blue Conservatives is just some
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: of the announcements about spending money. I think that's been appalling,
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: by the way. For my money, I think the gas
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: reservation announcement is just outrageous policy. I mean, we have
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: a gas export industry in Queensland and that was designed
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: off the back of an export market need. It wasn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: set up to provide domestic gas. And the fact that
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: Victoria and New South Wales are short of gas and
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: the prices have gone up is because those two jurisdictions
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: have been too politically cowardly to actually go after their
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: own plentiful onshore gas resources. And so that's what the
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: Coalition should be pushing more supply and getting those regimes
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: to actually open up their own resources.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: It's very dangerous to lay over, you know, comments you
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: have with friends and associates and say, well that's what
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are thinking. But I mean that's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the only way you can gauge what's going on. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you're in Queensland, I'm in Victoria. I mean I talk
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to plenty of people who say to me, I don't
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: like alban Easy, I don't like the way what they've
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: done for the last three years, but I can't wear
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. Is that the feeling in Queensland as well.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Or does he have more backing there because he's from Queensland.
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: Oh, look, he definitely has more backing up here, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: I think people know him, understand him, and look, I
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: think there's that perhaps that same sentiment, but not nearly
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: to the same degree. He's been demonized by the Labor
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: Party consistently, as we know, for years, particularly in the
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: Southern States, and you know, I think that's going to stick, sadly.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: But I just think the Labor Party as usual have
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: been particularly effective and the Liberal Party have been non effective.
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: Perhaps I share with you as well on that issue
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: of preferences. The feedback I get from sources in my
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: own party is that the Labor Party have been delighted
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: to sit down and talk about preferences with the Libertarian Party.
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: In contrast, the Liberal Party have been difficult to deal with,
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: and my colleagues go born to rule attitude. If you're
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: in a fight for your life where you're bleeding primary votes,
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: you'd think your federal director and your state directors will
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: be prepared to try and hoover up every preference deal
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: they could. But no, the Labor Party have been prepared
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: to deal positively proactively, but not the Coalition. I mean,
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: that's just another example, Steve, and that's just ineptitude.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're clearly the Labor Party being better campaigners. Campbell
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Newman always great to catch up on a Friday. You
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of your Easter break. We'll talk to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you next Friday on Anzac Day of course. Well, in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: an increasingly secular society, and this is a great time
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: to have this discussion. Easter can mean different things to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: different people. Clearly, while some Australians opt to celebrate the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: resurrection of Christ by maybe going to a church service,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: other families may just head down to the beach. You'll
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: go to the football. But you might be wrong if
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you think the fundamentals of Christianity or faith it self
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: is on the decline. Many of us think, but it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: not true. One survey shows that, in fact, hundreds of
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: new churches have been set up right across Australia in
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the last ten years. And gen Z and this really
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: surprised me. Gen Z men in particular, and are being
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: drawn toward Pentecostal congregations. Here to chat through this on
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: this Good Friday. From the Bayside Church in Melbourne is
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Pastor Rob Bukingham, Rob, great to have you with us.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I what's East to mean to you? Well?
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Obviously, Jesus, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: resonates very strongly with me as a Christian.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I've been a Christian for many years.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: I converted from atheism at the age of nineteen and
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: became a pastor in my late twenties. That message and
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: the person of Jesus still resonates very strongly.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So explain this demographic switch that the churches are seeing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Is this real that gen z men in particular, so
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that's young men, yeah, at turning to church, Yeah, it is.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: It's a fascinating thing gen Z or gen z depending
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: on you know, your pronunciation. The men in particular seem
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: to be more traditional than gen X and gen y,
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: which I find fascinating as well.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And so it appears that that in your own congression, Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: very much so. Yeah, young adults.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Growing within our church congregation.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you connect any change in the way we
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: lived to that directly? I mean did COVID drive it? Did?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I mean possibly?
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: I mean COVID decimated a lot of churches, so I know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: churches shut down during our time. They just you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: the finances went backwards. People didn't turn up again, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: so that was a very interesting time for churches. We
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: had a congregation of over two thousand pre pandemic, with
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: three services every weekend. And then when we opened up
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: again at the beginning of twenty two, we did one
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: service and eighty people turned up, And I'm.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: Like, where is everybody else?
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: You know, But what we have seen over the last
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: few years is people starting to come back, the church
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: building up again. People have swapped churches, people have moved
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: online a lot more as well. So I was talking
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: to a lady in our congregation this morning. I hadn't
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: seen her for months and months, and so I went
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: over and chatted and she said, oh, I'm still here.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: She said, I've been a bit spooked by the whole
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: COVID thing and I don't like to be in a crowd.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: So she said, I watch online, but I'm part of
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: a small group and I love my church.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And she's still with us sinceing to show that, I mean,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I did a piece for the Project television show where
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I did a cold water swim at Frankston and the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: group in a circle there was made up principally of
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: younger men, right, and each of us had to speak
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: about while we're doing what we're doing. And this was
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: just off the back of COVID and they were saying,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: we got lonely, we had no one to talk to. Ye,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: we got depressed and coming and doing this gives us
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: something in somewhere to go to. Suspect might be what's
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: happening with the church very much so it's about community.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: We don't want to do life on our own and
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: being isolated is a horrible thing.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: How busy are you over Easter?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Very busy, but good busy, good busy.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, will you enjoy your break? Thank you very much.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: We enjoy your services across the weekend. Thanksks for coming in.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you. That's Pastor Rob there. Happy Easter to you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you to all of the audience also who are
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: off the church tomorrow. Now after the break, Muttering expert
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Paul Merrick joins us for a look at just how
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's proposed fuel excise is actually going to work.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Plus these ridiculous proposals from the Greens wanting to spend
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: your hard earned money for a bunch of ev charging
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: stations for cars, I don't think anyone uses back after
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the break. Welcome back to price with you. Our panel
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: coming up shortly. Now back to the election. I think
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the commuters, people who have to drive in and out
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: of big cities every day around the country, their hip
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: pocket is at the center. I think of Peter Dutton's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: hopes of getting elected as Prime minister. We were just
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: talking there with Campbell Newman, who says he believes the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Coalition won't win. The polls are saying that it's now
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: going to be highly unlikely. But one of Peter Dutton's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: main election pledges this campaign has been to cut the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: excise on petrol immediately and for one year. Now. That's
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a major saving for a family. Imagine a family has
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: got two or three more vehicles. What that's going to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: save each week now. Peter Dutton says the tax cut
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: two petrol prices by twenty five cents a liter could
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: save the average family fifteen hundred dollars a year. That's
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: for a two car household. Labors come out and said,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: hang on a minute, those numbers don't add up. Treasurer
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, he's labeled it quote a con job and
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: claims in order to pocket those savings, you'd need to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: drive about forty thousand kilometers per year, more than three
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: times the average household drive or commute. I don't believe
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: that figure. By charmers here to help take us through
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: these numbers and more is I'm joined by car expert
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: found out Paul Merritt. Good to see you again, Paul,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: who's right here.
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: Happy estimate. Look, I wouldn't trust labor to do anything
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: with MATS at this stage. I don't think that any
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: saving is going to be a saving four commuters. The
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: biggest sue I've got with it though, is when they
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: did this during COVID and they dropped the fuel excise,
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: petrol companies somehow found a way to jack it back
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: up again, and I think there needs to be some
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: safeguards around this to make sure that we don't get
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: any greedy oil companies coming in and trying to take
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: a bit of that money back off consumers.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to what would be gained by them doing that, though,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, because the excise goes to the government, it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't go into the oil companies back pockets.
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we were just sing to make sure that they're
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: red how price doesn't creep up by ten cents a leader.
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: The other thing I'm sort of concerned about as well
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: is that truckies are actually eligible for a fuel tax
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: credit of something like twenty odds or just over twenty
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: cents a leader. Last time around during COVID, it actually
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: sent a lot of truckes broke because they were no
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: longer able to pocket those savings and effectively had to
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: cover the difference there and then had to cover the
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: difference that was passed on to the transport companies that
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: they were transporting ians for. So there needs to be
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: some safeguards not only for fuel prices not going up
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: beyond that twenty cents a leader, but also covering truck
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: drivers as well.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: And we've heard nothing from Dutton about that. I mean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: surely he would know that he was in government when
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that excise went last time. I mean, you can't have
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: truck drivers being punished. I mean, the whole idea of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: this policy is to help them exactly.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, some of these drivers went out of business.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: It was simple as that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, you had your big supermarket chains going, well,
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: you've just dropped the fuel price. You need to pass
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: that on to us and truckes all of a sudden
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: were losing twenty odd cents a later they weren't able
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: to keep themselves. So that is something they definitely need
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: to look at. And we just need to make sure
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: that oil companies aren't going to be greedy by trying
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: to recover some of those differences, because I could just
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: see it happening right now. They just want the money
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: and they will do anything to get it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Labour's going to seize on those comments from
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Paul Merrick. That'll be in their next media conference about
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the excise cut. It's a pretty Peter Dutton also hasn't
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: dropped the luxury car tax, Paul, which protects a local
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: car industry that doesn't exist anymore.
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: It is absolutely hilarious, but not in a good way
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: that this thing still exists. When you are charging a
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: luxury car tax on something like a land Cruiser, which
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: is a tool of trade and not a luxury car
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: to drive around the country. It is criminal that it
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: still exists, and it was there for literally the sole
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: purpose of protecting local manufacturing that is gone. I cannot
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: understand how they're still charging this thing.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Just on the petrol excise. Should we ban anyone driving
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: a Ram or a Silverado from getting that cut.
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: Ultimately, a lot of people complain about and it's always
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: the Greenings that complain about these.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Huge Mate, you can't even get in the car park.
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: Well, let's see. If you've got my skills, you're all set.
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: But the problem is people aren't buying me because they've
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: got nothing else to do with their spare time. They're
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: buying them because they genuinely need a vehicle capable of
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: towing four and a half tons.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So you see them often with horse flights.
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: Once you get outside the city, they are driven and
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: used for those purposes. Yes, I agree, if you're driving
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: one in and around the city, it's a completely pointless exercise.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But for those people that do need them, I don't.
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: Think we should be penalizing them because they're buying a
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: vehicle that aligns with what they actually need it for.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: The other big change, of course, the Coalition will scrap
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the penalties tied to Labour's vehicle emission standard laws. It's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a bit confusing, but they kick in in December. Labor
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: says it takes us in line with most of the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: rest of the world, which is probably right, but Peter
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Dutton estimates the change is going to add nine seven
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars to the cost of a new Rev four
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: or fourteen and a half to a Ford Ranger. Is
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: there are those numbers correct?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, one hundred percent correct.
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  Speaker 10: We've already seen the cost of cars going up as
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: car manufacturers try and bolster their coffers for these looming penalties.
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: Board for example, is just put an extra five thousand
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: dollars on the Mustang, but literally the only reason being
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: to cover future penalties. This sue I've got with this
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: is yes, it helps us get in line with the
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: developed world, but in the developed world you don't have
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: people that drive five thousand kilometers around the country with
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: the caravan, and in the developed world there's no electric
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: car that will do that at the moment. So you're
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: penalizing people who are buying vehicles for specific purposes, Karatis
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: who are buying vehicles for specific purposes, and then those
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: costs are simply going to get passed on to consumers.
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: It is the enders is the dumbest thing that has
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: ever come out of the government, and it needs to
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: be scrapped urgently.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that's the case. Co expert to founder
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Paul Miracle is good to catch up with you, my friend.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Have a good eat. After the break, the
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: left media they're at it again, doing all they can
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: to lump Peter Dutton with his former boss and Prime
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Minister Scott Morrison. Will it ever end? Plus more on
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: my favorite party, the Greens and their latest PR disaster.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I'll put it all to our panel after the break.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to this good Friday edition of Stuve Price Program.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Coming up Rowan Dean at the top of the hour.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: But first, a very happy Easter and a good Friday
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to our wonderful Friday friends, Amanda Rose and Joe Hildebrand.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Great to thank you for
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: taking your good Friday day off and joining us on
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the program. I want to go where we rad. It's
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: something that is I know that, I know that your
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: sincerity is dripping off you. I want to show you
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: this video. This came up late today posted by the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Australian newspaper who have one of their reporters out in
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: one of the teal seats. It shows some so called
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: teal workers wrapping posters for the candidate Nicolette Buller around
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: osgrid powerpoles, which is illegal, mind you. And they had
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: this to say when they were confronted, it is illegal
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: to do this. Okay.
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  Speaker 11: Would you like to say that again quite loud so
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: we can hear.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It, Joe. We couldn't broadcast exactly what that bloke said,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: but I would have thought the person doing the filming
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: was taking their life into their own hands. I mean,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: who would know what those people are going to do.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it's just again, it just goes to
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: the rank hypocrisy of the Teals. They pretend to be
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: holier than now. They campaigned on a platform of bringing
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: integrity to politics. Nicolette bu Or. I don't know how
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: to pronounce your last name, but it's been pronounced so
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: many different times.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: It might want to be anything, but I like.
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: To pronounce them wheel as in Teel. But she's of
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: course right up there having you know, talked about, you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: standing up against you know, sexual discriminational harassment in the workplace,
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: while at the same time talking dirty to her hairdresser.
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: You've got Monique Ryan's husband tearing down her opponent's campaign material.
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: You've got the Climate two hundred engaging in push polling
• 40:31
  Speaker 11: just after the candidate they are push polling for. Zoey
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: Daniel said that such things were an front to democracy.
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: I mean, the hypocrisy of these guys is just nauseating and.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It's right in plain sight. It's bonkers, Amanda. Mean these
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: election posters, it happens every time we have a state,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: federal and local government election. They get plastered all over
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the joint. There's still posters in my area in Melbourne
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: that were up a by election that took place three
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: months ago for the Greens. They don't even even take
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: them down. I mean, why don't we just ban these
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: posters from being put up anywhere and be done with it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: I agree, I think they're a little bit annoying and
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: it's really disappointing. So every election we see this type
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: of behavior, regardless of the party, when people are putting
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: up and they're getting aggressive, and I've experienced it myself
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: where people have ripped down core flutes and throw them
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: in the bushes, you know, from their competitors, and then
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: put it on top. And I'm thinking, I'm sorry, am
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: I In like primary school, this behavior is petulant, right,
• 41:35
  Speaker 12: and you're right, if they can't play nice, then they
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: shouldn't be able to play at all, and let's just ban.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: It all together. I think you know.
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  Speaker 12: The only time is if it's someone's private property and
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: they choose to put a sign on. That's great, they
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: can do that, it's their choice to do so. But
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: it's also a sign when this type of behavior happens.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Pep are worried.
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: You can usually tell when someone's worried about losing a
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: seat is because they start to do a bit written,
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: take a bit more risk, or they ripped down someone
• 42:01
  Speaker 12: else's sign. So I knew it was going to be
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: a pretty much a vicious election and a tight election,
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: And this is what we're going to see a lot of, Amanda.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: You might be surprised, so you might, you Joe, that
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I'm older than you both. I remember back in the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: good old days when on Good Friday nothing was open
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: at all, and I mean zero. I checked out the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Herald Sun this morning, Amanda, And I'll be interested to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: know with your small business hat on whether this is
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: about penalty rates. But all of the major supermarkets today, Cole's, Woolworth,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: aldi the lot of them, they're all shuttier in Victoria.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I presume they're open in some holiday areas, But how
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: do we work out what's open and what's not. My
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: own coffee shop this morning wasn't open because presumably they
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: can't afford to pay this staff.
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: Well, yes, and so for a lot of small businesses
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: they can't pay the penalty rates. So usually if it's
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: a family run business, they can do it because they've
• 43:00
  Speaker 12: got you know, the family that can assist. But it's
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: become absolutely untenable for small business stope on most public holidays.
• 43:07
  Speaker 12: You know, I would love for the big supermarket so
• 43:10
  Speaker 12: took up all the market share during the lockdowns when
• 43:13
  Speaker 12: they are open, that they made the decision to close
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: out of respect for Jesus on Easter. That would be refreshing,
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: But I don't think that's the case. They just don't
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: want to pay the penalty rates either. But the small
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: business owner does want to stay open if they can,
• 43:28
  Speaker 12: but they just can't afford it. And it's really quite
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: disappointing because small businesses are the lifeblood of a community.
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: You know, your local coffee shop, it's where you have
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: a conversations, where your son or daughter might get their
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: first job. And so we really need to focus on
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: how can we look at the practical solutions for a
• 43:46
  Speaker 12: small business owner, say, are the penalty rates too high?
• 43:50
  Speaker 12: Because if they can't stay open on a day like
• 43:52
  Speaker 12: this and get business, they will slowly die off.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I suspect a lot of them don't want to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: open because they're going to get abused, because they've had
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: to put on a surch charge because of the wages
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: they're paying. Joe, let's go back to the election. Have
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: a look, and I want your honest opinion about this.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Have a look at this female reporter on the campaign
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: trail and the question she posed to Peter Dutton.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: A lot of your campaign has been at petrol stations.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: You've been in trucks.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: When you speak to about female.
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: Dominated industries like education, you talk about the work agenda.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: What are you offering modern working women.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I'm offering them a chance to get a home. That
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: applies to both homeless.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: Homeless women at the moment are at a record level
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: under this government dominated sector. So let me say for
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: homeless women who have suffered under this government, we have
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: a better pathway forward. We've said in relation.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: To accessing super that women who have had a really
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: messy relationship breakup, who haven't had a home before or
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: have no roof over their head with their kids.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: I would to provide that stability.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure who she was, Joe, but she seems
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: to be trying to stick to Peter Dutton what they
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: stuck to Scott Morrison the last election, that he's got
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a problem with women.
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and then the full question went on and on
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: and on and on and on. I don't know who
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: she was either, I don't know what organization she was
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: working for. It didn't seem to be anything any normal
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: mainstream journal would ask. There were people who thought it
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: might actually even be satire, whether she was sent from
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: the Batuta Advocate or some Double Bay today, I don't know.
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: It's better again this sort of identity politics. I think
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: the electric finds really really toxic. It's ridiculous. It's predicated
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: on the absurd notion that, for example, you know, women
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: don't drive cars, or women don't go to day for
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: into the trades, and.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: It's just completely stupid.
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: We've got bigger things to worry about in this election
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: than sort of weird gotcha stunts.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Amanda, do you think Peter Dutton's got any problem with
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: women voters?
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: No? No, I don't actually, and I've said this before publicly,
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: he's come to speak at a Western Sydney executive women
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: around table without hesitation, and we had a great discussion
• 46:12
  Speaker 12: and he was at the end of it. The women
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: were like, Wow, I didn't really know him, and now
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: that I've spoken to him, I like him and he's
• 46:19
  Speaker 12: respectful and we had a great discussion. And if you
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: look at the policies, and that's the thing, and Joe
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: was right, you don't want to be like, that's a
• 46:25
  Speaker 12: male policy, it's a female policy.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: You know, we talk about equality.
• 46:29
  Speaker 12: That means, you know, women do work in male dominant
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: industries as men do. Women dominate industries, and they do
• 46:34
  Speaker 12: drive cars and they do all these things. So all
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: our policies need to be for the economy in general.
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: The only thing I would point out is that it's
• 46:41
  Speaker 12: nice to see both sides of politics, or both sides
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: you know, labor, liberal or anyone really honing the disadvantage
• 46:48
  Speaker 12: groups because often they get led off. So you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 12: there's millions of dollars been put in the not for
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: profit sector, yes, but a lot of it's wasted. So
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: we really need to niche down to it could be
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: the single mum be young people whatever it is that
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: need a particular investment, a niche investment, and they're all
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: starting to do it. But that's what I want to
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: see because they feel left behind and we don't want anyone.
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: To feel that way.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Joe l Makes the Greens. They had a rave party
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: plan for Anzac Day, then they canceled it. I've got
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: breaking news for you. My local nightclub is a joint
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: called Ribs. It's in Chapel Street in Pran. I've never
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: been there and I never intend going there because I
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: see who gets turned out of there at five o'clock
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: in the morning. Ever, guess who at midnight tonight is
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the DJ in RIVS nightclub in Chapel Street.
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: Ah, that's got to be DJ Adam Ban on the decks,
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: correct it is?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Yeah, that was a genuine guess.
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: I just every It's just the most obviously that I've
• 47:50
  Speaker 11: never had.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But this is the thing.
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: I mean, this just shows how completely disconnected the Greens
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: are from the rest of Australia. And I think even
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: in a secular society we still respect the things like
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: Good Friday. It's a very solemn day. It's the most
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: holy day on the Christian calendar. We still respect Anne
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: zach Day as being a commemoration of the most incredible
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: sacrifice sacrifices I doubt many Greens or their voters would
• 48:13
  Speaker 11: be prepared to make. And so the idea that you
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: think it's just a time to, you know, get on
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: the decks.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And party, well, it's deliberate.
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: That just seems insane to me.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine if I wander pass the front
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: door or that joined at seven o'clock tomorrow morning, there
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: will be Adam Bahner. We should both go in a camp. No, Joe,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: we're not going there. Amanda and Joe, thank you very
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: much for joining us on Good Friday. You both have
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: a good Easter break. Keep up the great work on
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the campaign. In the Telegraph, Joe, it's been fantastic. Have
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: a great Easter break. I'll talk to you next week.