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The Late Debate | 22 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to.
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  Speaker 2: The Late Debate. Great to have your company on The
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  Speaker 2: Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James McPherson with Caleb Bond and Danica DiGiorgio and
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  Speaker 3: I'm hungry after listening to Paul sign off with dumplings.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I was going for dumplings.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have a great life, don't they?
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable, isn't it? He gets to knock off and go
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  Speaker 1: and have dumplings. I love dumplings. You a dumpling person, Danica?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not big on dumplings. Well, you just fed your
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  Speaker 4: face with lollies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, come on. I had one lolly.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you had a few.
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  Speaker 1: I had one lolly, Danika. Here I am being fat shamed. No,
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  Speaker 1: I thought... One lolly.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you had a couple of lollies. No, I
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  Speaker 4: had one lolly.
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  Speaker 1: I've been a good boy and I'm being told off.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not telling you off. I thought that you
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  Speaker 4: just had a couple of lollies before we went on air.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. I was going to say
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  Speaker 1: that you look bedazzled tonight. You're not getting anything now.
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  Speaker 1: You're not getting anything.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Just out of curiosity, what lollies do you eat before
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  Speaker 2: the show?
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  Speaker 1: Well, snakes or whatever's available.
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  Speaker 2: So when I went to.
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  Speaker 3: The lolly jar before the show, that's why there was
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  Speaker 3: only like a yellow one.
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  Speaker 1: I'd had a red one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the red one. I love the red ones.
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  Speaker 2: We should get into the show.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing about lollies all night?
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  Speaker 2: All just want food. Here's what's coming up on the
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  Speaker 2: program tonight. Cafe owners in New.
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  Speaker 3: South Wales revolt against a government plan to ban takeaway
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  Speaker 3: coffee cups as we know them, forcing everyone.
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  Speaker 2: To use recyclable cups.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump is keeping his cards close to his chest
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  Speaker 3: in naming a successor, but how long can he keep
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  Speaker 3: JD Vance and Marco Rubio.
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  Speaker 2: Circling the throne?
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  Speaker 3: And the Irish government has a warning for grandparents.
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  Speaker 2: Before hugging or kissing your grandchildren, Make sure you.
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  Speaker 3: Have their consent, because nothing says a healthy society quite
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  Speaker 3: like turning grandma's affection into.
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  Speaker 2: A compliance issue.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, a
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  Speaker 3: Chinese company has just unveiled a humanoid robot that makes
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  Speaker 3: your robotic vacuum cleaner look like a particularly dim household appliance.
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  Speaker 2: This thing is less Dyson and much more Terminator.
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  Speaker 5: Unitree Robotics has introduced its new H2X Kung Fu Legend Guardian.
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  Speaker 5: a humanoid robot that takes physical performance to another level.
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  Speaker 2: A kung fu robot. What could possibly go wrong?
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, the Chinese company insists their robot could actually
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  Speaker 3: prevent things from going wrong. Forget bodyguards and personal security,
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  Speaker 3: this mechanical Bruce Lee can block knife attacks, rescue stranded
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  Speaker 3: people and stop pedestrians from being hit by cars.
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  Speaker 5: The promotional video also explores the possibility of humanoid robots
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  Speaker 5: serving as personal guardians. In one stage scenario, the robot
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  Speaker 5: steps between a person and a threatening attacker. Other sequences
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  Speaker 5: depict the machine assisting with a vehicle rescue and protecting
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  Speaker 5: a pedestrian from an approaching car. Unitree also claims a
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  Speaker 5: maximum standing endurance of approximately eight hours.
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  Speaker 3: Now, of course, the Kung Fu Robot isn't quite ready
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  Speaker 3: for you to take home yet. It still needs training
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  Speaker 3: in situational awareness and there's the rather important question of
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  Speaker 3: ensuring it knows the difference between a villain who deserves
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  Speaker 3: a flying kick to the head and the bloke who's
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  Speaker 3: just come over to ask what the time is.
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  Speaker 2: Minor details. I'll give you a choice, Danika.
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  Speaker 3: You can have Elon Musk's flying car or your own
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  Speaker 3: personal bodyguard robot.
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  Speaker 2: Which do you want?
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  Speaker 4: I know you're very enthusiastic about Elon Musk's flying car,
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  Speaker 4: by the way. I love the flying car. I saw
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  Speaker 4: your brilliant editorial on your show, McPherson Angle, 8pm on Sundays.
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  Speaker 4: It went for about 10 minutes and it took us
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  Speaker 4: on quite a journey.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just wait until this week. It'll be 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be 20 minutes on the flying car.
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  Speaker 2: Wait and see what I'm going to do with the robot.
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  Speaker 4: It was very... I would probably take the flying car
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  Speaker 4: at this point because.
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  Speaker 2: Those.
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  Speaker 4: Robots terrify me. They scare me. We don't know what
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  Speaker 4: they're capable of. We don't... I don't feel comfortable putting
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  Speaker 4: my trust into a robot. How do you know that
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  Speaker 4: you can trust a machine? And what happens when one
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  Speaker 4: of these beasts backfires and suddenly thinks that you're the
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  Speaker 4: enemy and next minute, kapow, and you're on the floor
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  Speaker 4: blacked out? And the problem is... We've seen what China... Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Bang! Bang!
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  Speaker 4: We have seen what China has been doing. They are
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  Speaker 4: using robots increasingly in their military. They put it all
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  Speaker 4: on display at Tiananmen Square. These... They're vile. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: all for technology. I am all for robots to a
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  Speaker 4: certain extent. But I don't trust this at all. I
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  Speaker 4: would have put my faith... I am worried.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I look at that and it's all rather
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  Speaker 1: fantastical and I can see the advantage of it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about, oh, we need all these
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  Speaker 1: migrants to come to Australia because they're going to do
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  Speaker 1: all these jobs and all these various things. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can kind of fix that problem if you can
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  Speaker 1: get robots to do all the work, right?
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  Speaker 2: You think we've got migrant crime? Imagine what robot crime...
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  Speaker 2: What robot crime?
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  Speaker 1: I know. But, you know, like, there are obvious things
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  Speaker 1: that you could potentially solve with robotics. But my major concern,
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  Speaker 1: which is what you're alluding to, Danica, is that if
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  Speaker 1: these things are, you know, hooked up to the internet,
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  Speaker 1: and particularly if they're manufactured in China, and we saw,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the the report that Four Corners did a
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  Speaker 1: month or so ago about Chinese EVs in particular and
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  Speaker 1: how all the data within them can be accessed, the
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  Speaker 1: cars can be remotely accessed, you know, staff on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the world can be listening to conversations
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  Speaker 1: you're having in the cars, et cetera. They could even...
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  Speaker 1: They worked out they could hack a BYD shark to
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  Speaker 1: interfere with the lights and the wiper blades and all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of stuff, right? So if you can do all
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  Speaker 1: of that with a car... You could do that presumably
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  Speaker 1: with a robot as well. And so if all of
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  Speaker 1: these robots talk back to some mainframe somewhere, what's to
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  Speaker 1: stop someone, you know, hitting the wrong button and saying,
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  Speaker 1: turn around all the robots in Australia and go and
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  Speaker 1: start bashing up civilians? I can honestly foresee a circumstance where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we go, it's great now and we'll allow
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  Speaker 1: all of this to come in and then it comes
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  Speaker 1: back to bite us on the bum. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what we do then.
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  Speaker 4: But just going to say, there are already instances where
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  Speaker 4: they are menacing civilians and we've played this clip over
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  Speaker 4: and over on this show. We have a laugh about it,
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  Speaker 4: but the reality is there was a robot in China,
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  Speaker 4: you remember, that was going after old people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was terrible.
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  Speaker 2: The robot that kicked the little boy in the chest?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Or the robot that was doing sexual gestures at people?
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  Speaker 4: That's right. We showed that the other night.
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  Speaker 2: Would you give any of those robots a gun?
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't. But, again, China, you look what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: They paraded these robots in Tiananmen Square and that's what
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  Speaker 4: they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: Don't we already have this risk? I mean, we've got
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  Speaker 3: drones that have guns. So we talk about a robot
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  Speaker 3: going rogue with a gun. What's a drone?
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  Speaker 2: It's a robot. It just doesn't look like a human being.
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  Speaker 3: So we've already got a situation where we are putting
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  Speaker 3: lethal weapons into robots and giving them a degree of autonomy.
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  Speaker 1: But the drones are effectively human-controlled, right?
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Like, they have someone who's overseeing the thing at all
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  Speaker 1: times for a specific task. Because what we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: here is, is artificial intelligence-driven robotics that can think for itself.
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  Speaker 1: But something that can think for itself can also do
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  Speaker 1: things that you don't want it to do and can
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  Speaker 1: potentially be programmed to go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But AI's doing that now, where AI agents.
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  Speaker 1: I know, exactly. Precisely.
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  Speaker 2: are getting around things. It's funny you speak of warfare, right?
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  Speaker 3: I was reading a report from the US Army War
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  Speaker 3: College and they talk about, at the moment, we've got
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  Speaker 3: robot-assisted warfare, which is what you were talking about. We've
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  Speaker 3: got drones, but we control them. They said we're very
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  Speaker 3: close to what they call robot coordinated warfare. So you've
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  Speaker 3: got one person who sort of sets them off, but
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  Speaker 3: then they make autonomous decisions within certain parameters. And the
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  Speaker 3: US Army War College released a report recently saying that
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  Speaker 3: by 2035, They reckon we will have fully autonomous robot
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  Speaker 3: warfare or at least the technology will exist for that.
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  Speaker 2: That's less than a decade away.
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  Speaker 4: That's less than a decade away. And I don't think
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  Speaker 4: that as a society we are ready for that. We're
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  Speaker 4: not prepared for something like that. But even today I
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  Speaker 4: saw a clip on social media of a man in
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  Speaker 4: China walking around holding a robot that looked like a
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  Speaker 4: child and he was treating it like It was his son.
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  Speaker 2: You do that with dogs and cats now.
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  Speaker 4: But they're not robots.
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  Speaker 1: At least they're living beings.
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  Speaker 4: They're living beings. It's not a robot.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if anyone can hear
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  Speaker 1: this at home, but it sounds like the robots are
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  Speaker 1: swarming and the drones are about to land on the
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  Speaker 1: roof in this joint. There's some strange noise going on.
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  Speaker 1: I think they've come to get us. They've heard what
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  Speaker 1: we're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Skynet has heard us talking.
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  Speaker 1: They've decided to come and prove the point. Maybe they
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  Speaker 1: would like to go and get themselves a takeaway coffee.
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  Speaker 1: while they're coming to visit. In New South Wales, it's
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  Speaker 1: about to get a little bit harder for the local cafe, though.
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  Speaker 1: New rules that were passed today by the Minns government
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  Speaker 1: in New South Wales say that as of 2028, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to sell a takeaway coffee in a disposable cup,
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  Speaker 1: it will have to be a recyclable cup. Now, at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, you buy a cup of coffee, most coffee cups,
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  Speaker 1: takeaway coffee cups, have a very thin lining of plastic
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  Speaker 1: within them. which means even though the cup is made
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  Speaker 1: of paper primarily, you can't put it in the recycling.
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  Speaker 1: They can't be... recycled. So the Minns government now says,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to sell a disposable cup, it will
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  Speaker 1: have to be compostable. And you can imagine how good
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be. I mean, remember when they got
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  Speaker 1: rid of the plastic straws and they brought in the
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  Speaker 1: paper straws? You know, you go to Macca's or something,
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  Speaker 1: try and have a thick shake, you get halfway through
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  Speaker 1: the thing and the thing is disintegrated. It's awful. It
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  Speaker 1: breaks down in your mouth. You can just imagine what
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  Speaker 1: a compostable coffee cup is going to be like. if
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  Speaker 1: it can't have that thin film of plastic that stops
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  Speaker 1: all of the drink from seeping through the product. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see how all of that goes. But the solution
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  Speaker 1: to that, apparently, is that you can instead have a
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  Speaker 1: reusable cup. And so cafes are being told, you should
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  Speaker 1: give reusable cups to customers and then hope that they
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  Speaker 1: bring them back. Rather strange, isn't it? Elixir Sabor cafe owner,
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  Speaker 1: Marino Pallagiotis, he's not too happy about this. He says,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to absorb any more costs than we
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  Speaker 1: already are. How do we get cups back from the customer?
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  Speaker 1: Do they leave a deposit? It's a logistical nightmare. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For people in a rush, the drones are back. It's
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  Speaker 1: rather strange. There's a trial going on in Barangaroo at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, in Sydney, where they've been doing this. Cafes
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  Speaker 1: have signed up where you get the takeaway, you know,
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  Speaker 1: reusable cup. And there's a machine. You've got 14 days
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  Speaker 1: to go and put your coffee cup in a machine
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  Speaker 1: and then a company takes the cups away and washes
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  Speaker 1: them and then returns them to the cafe. Now, is
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  Speaker 1: that where we're headed?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Where, you know, you'll have to hope that people return
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  Speaker 1: their cups when they go and buy and take away coffee.
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  Speaker 3: Sydney's going to end up with, like, coffee cups all
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  Speaker 3: over the place, like lime scooters, just, like, littering the pavement.
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  Speaker 3: The stupid thing about this is it's typical of a
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  Speaker 3: government decision made by people who have never run a business.
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  Speaker 2: Bingo.
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  Speaker 3: because there's so many unanswered questions about the practicalities of
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  Speaker 3: how this would work, much less the financials. And evidently
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  Speaker 3: there's been zero consultation. They haven't gone to cafe owners
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  Speaker 3: and asked them, how would this work? How do you feel?
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  Speaker 3: What would this do to your business? A little bit
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  Speaker 3: like what the Albanese government did with their credit card
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  Speaker 3: surcharge ban, which backfired because no one thought to consult.
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  Speaker 3: Same with the ATO and their attitude towards small business.
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  Speaker 3: So this is just a really bad idea. And to
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  Speaker 3: give people an understanding of how much pressure there cafes
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  Speaker 3: are under, I was reading today the profit margin for
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  Speaker 3: your average cafe is only just more than 3% is
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  Speaker 3: their profit.
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  Speaker 2: Margin on products.
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  Speaker 3: So every time the government comes up with a brain
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  Speaker 3: fart that they think is going to be brilliant, an
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  Speaker 3: extra cost is added on to the cafe's cost centre.
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  Speaker 3: they can barely survive. No wonder so many are going
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  Speaker 3: out of business.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was actually looking. In the 12 months
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  Speaker 4: to July this year, almost 4,000 cafes, restaurants and takeaway
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  Speaker 4: outlets closed. That is one in eight across the country.
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  Speaker 4: And as we know, many already have not recovered since
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  Speaker 4: the pandemic. You go into CBDs and they are still
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  Speaker 4: ghost towns because people haven't gone back into the office
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  Speaker 4: and the cafes would thrive off people going into the
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  Speaker 4: office and going into these cafes. Look, this is more
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  Speaker 4: red tape, it's more stupidity and it is more pressure
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  Speaker 4: on small businesses to keep themselves afloat. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how this policy would work. When I go and get
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  Speaker 4: a coffee, I just want to take my takeaway and
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  Speaker 4: I want to go. I don't want to be returning
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  Speaker 4: a cup. And I certainly don't expect that the business
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  Speaker 4: owner is going to be keeping tabs on me to
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  Speaker 4: ensure that I return this reusable cup. Who has time
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  Speaker 4: for that sort of checklist? It's like a ticking off
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  Speaker 4: of a box. It is so difficult to run a
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  Speaker 4: business in this country as it is with energy prices,
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  Speaker 4: with IR laws and the rest of it, unions poking
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  Speaker 4: their finger in, and added pressure like this No wonder
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  Speaker 4: we're seeing record insolvencies.
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't need the union poking their finger
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  Speaker 1: in when you're having a coffee, do you? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it annoys me so much that we in Australia think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to solve all the problems of the world
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  Speaker 1: by banning coffee cups, right? The same thing we did
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  Speaker 1: with the plastic straws. Now, if you have a plastic
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: straw or a plastic spoon or whatever... I imagine you,
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  Speaker 1: as I would do, you put it in the bin
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  Speaker 1: when you're done with it, right? Now, you can have
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  Speaker 1: the arguments about whether that's clogging up landfill and that's
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  Speaker 1: bad for the world, but largely the argument that has
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  Speaker 1: been made is that this stuff ends up in the
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  Speaker 1: waterways via litter and then it kills turtles or something, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so now we're saying, oh, well, we're in Australia
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  Speaker 1: going to solve the world by depriving ourselves of takeaway
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  Speaker 1: coffee cups. I can assure you that on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the world, where they've got billions and billions
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  Speaker 1: and billions and billions of people... They're not letting up
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  Speaker 1: on their plastic straws or coffee cups. We are a
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: drop in the ocean with this stuff and we are
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  Speaker 1: making our lives more difficult and convincing ourselves that we've
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: done our bit when really we've done four-fifths of bugger
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  Speaker 1: all except make life more difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Agreed.
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  Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more. Absolutely. Alright, so the left have now
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  Speaker 4: set their sights on their latest victim or victims. Guess who?
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  Speaker 4: They're going after grandparents. Yes, if you are at home
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  Speaker 4: right now and you are a grandparent, the left want
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  Speaker 4: you to ask for consent to before you hug your grandchild.
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  Speaker 4: I know, this is a whole different level of insanity.
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  Speaker 4: The Irish state has actually published an advert discouraging grandparents
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  Speaker 4: from hugging their own children because apparently not everybody wants
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  Speaker 4: to be hugged.
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  Speaker 1: Granny!
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  Speaker 4: Grandma!
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  Speaker 3: Not everyone wants a hug, even from the people who
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: love them.
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  Speaker 6: Awkward?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Important? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: We-consent.ie is here to help.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen something more cringe than that? So
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  Speaker 4: now they're policing hugs. They're going after hugs. So this
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  Speaker 4: was a government-backed campaign. It was released by this We
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  Speaker 4: Consent group. Now, in the last couple of hours, interestingly,
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  Speaker 4: that ad campaign has been pulled because of the widespread
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  Speaker 4: backlash to it. The Justice Minister described the ad as
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  Speaker 4: inappropriate and demeaning to grandparents. Well, who would have thought?
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  Speaker 4: A few points on this. Firstly, the relationship with a
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  Speaker 4: grandparent and grandchild is one of the most special that
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  Speaker 4: there is. You know, what I wouldn't give to be
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: able to hug my grandmother again. And to say that
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: you have to ask consent to do that is quite
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: frankly offensive because I think it would be an honour
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: to be a grandparent in this world. Secondly, of course
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: we have to teach consent, but there are barriers. Consent
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: when it comes to sex. Consent when it comes to relationships.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: But when it comes to family, I mean, for goodness sake...
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: And once again, it is another example of how the
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: left want to tear down family institutions, family cultures and
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: family traditions as part of this new wave phenomenon we're
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: seeing sweeping across the globe.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: But also, just, like... So, the way that humans work, right...
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: And this is the problem, it's the same applies with...
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: What they're talking about is affirmative consent, essentially, right? Where
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: consent has to be verbally given in order for anything
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: to happen. Now, that is now the law when it
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: comes to sex in New South Wales. I believe in
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: other states as well. You need to have enthusiastic verbal
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: consent before anything sexual happens. Now, I'm sorry, I don't
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: know if any of you have ever had sex before,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: but that's often not how it works. Because two people
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: who are attracted to each other, you know, things happen.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: You don't go, excuse me, do you mind if I kiss?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Do you mind if I do this? There's a sign here.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, all right, you too?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: In the same way that when you go over to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Granny's place for lunch, it's a natural thing that you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: would go to hug someone. Now, if you go to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: hug someone and they give you an indication that they
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: don't want to do that, you take a step back.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: The same as if you leant in to kiss someone
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: and you got the feeling that they didn't want to kiss, well,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you don't force a kiss upon them. The communication of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: consent has happened. It's just not happened verbally. This idea
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that it always has to be yes or no, it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: just not how human beings work and it's utterly ridiculous.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: They're making the most normal and more than normal, the
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: most precious human relationships weird and abnormal. But what a
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: remarkable thing for the West to go from, remember we
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: used to say hugs, not drugs?
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Now the West says drugs, not hugs. That's such a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: good point.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: That's the collapse of Western civilisation right there.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Just, like, the fact that any government would fund that,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: let alone the fact that any outfit would think that
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that was worth their time. I mean, you know, you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: want to talk about teaching consent, and sure, but, like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: You're spending precious government money on whether or not a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: consent has been given for a hug. I mean, even
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: if you didn't want to have a hug, is it
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the most uncomfortable thing you've been through in your life
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to have a hug from your grandmother? Like, it's just mind-boggling.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I would say it's one of the most special things.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: It's just mind-boggling. It's one of the most special things.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: But in general, I think, as humans, we need that
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: sort of physical contact.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: If you're down, you're made a hug. And I just
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: think we are now being told that any sort of
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: physical touch, even at a platonic level, should be illegal
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: and it's wrong. It is not wrong to give somebody
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: a hug. In certain circumstances, sure, you can't.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: My pa used to do a thing called a blurt.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Do you know what a blurt is?
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: No.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He'd go to kiss.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: You on the neck, but instead of kissing you, he'd just, like,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: blow a salivary kind of a.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: all over your neck. And it was this great game, right?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: We pretended to hate it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: He would chase us and pin us down and give
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: us a blurt and... And it was the most normal
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: things as little kids. It was this game we played
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: with him. But as I said, these people in offices
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: somewhere thinking they're righteous and doing the right thing turn
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: normal family fun into some sinister, somehow suspicious activity. And how,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: in the end, in trying to protect kids, they just
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: mess kids up by giving them a completely weird understanding
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: of all human interaction where you know, you can't trust
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: even your closest family members.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: We don't need another generation of confused children.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: And this is where it leads to.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: We're doing our best to create one.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: We are, and that's the problem.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The other thing, quickly, before we move on, is I
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: think you mentioned it, Caleb, someone, like more than one
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: person saw that ad before it went out.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: There must have been at least one normal person somewhere
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: who saw it and thought.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: But why didn't they say anything? Maybe they didn't overrule it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I suspect a lot of normal people saw that along
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the way and just thought.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: It's just.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Let it go. Just so utterly bizarre. And it's just
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: normal human interactions. There was a few months ago, it
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: was June, my birthday. And a colleague here, you know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: came over, female colleague. Come, oh, happy birthday. And I just,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you know, put my arms out for a hug. We
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: were walking towards each other. And she goes, oh, is
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: that okay? I'm like, yeah, of course it is. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, oh, oh, but a lot of people
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: would like, they wouldn't be okay. I'm like, who cares? Like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: she was quite comfortable with it. She was worried about
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: what other people would think.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I asked you if it was OK for me to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: give you a hug and you said no.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I never did that, James. Don't spread vicious
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: lies on the television. But, like, honestly, it's just... It's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: two people saying, great to see you.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: What does it matter?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Speaking of advertisements, there's another controversial advertisement, this time in
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the United States, and it's not about your grandparents, it's
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: about a political opponent, one-time presidential hopeful... Vivek Ramaswamy. He's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: competing in an election in Ohio, and his Democrat opponent
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: claims she was sexually abused by her stepfather. She's been
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: estranged from her mother since 1978. That's the family relationship
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: for Ramaswamy's opponent. Well, Ramaswamy has released an ad calling
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: his opponent a liar.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Now, politicians.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: often accuse their opponent of being a liar. But what's
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: different about this is Ramaswamy has commissioned a television advertisement
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: attacking his opponent as a liar, and the person who's
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: speaking on the advertisement doing the attack is his opponent's mother.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: I'm Amy Afton's mother. I worked at Children and Family
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Service Association, building one of the first two sexual abuse
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: programs in America. But Amy has a serious problem.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: She is a liar.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: She lies about her past.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: She says she grew up living in a tent.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: None of that is true. She's lied her entire life.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: My daughter needs help. And she can't help you if
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: she needs help herself. Don't vote for people who lie.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Don't let her become your governor. If you think she'll
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: make your life better, you're fooling yourself.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: It will only get worse.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Now, as I said, mother and daughter have been estranged
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: since 1978. One of the reasons Ramaswamy says he wanted
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: to do this ad is because his political opponent refuses
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: to debate him and he says that she's lied about him,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: so it's only fair. Honesty is a legitimate issue in politics,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: but I do think that verges on exploitative, especially when
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it involves claims of sexual abuse. As a child, mother
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: stayed with the stepfather, who is alleged to have sexually
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: abused the daughter. It's just the whole thing is yuck,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: and if you're going to accuse your opponent of being
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: a liar.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Surely there are things on the.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Campaign trail that they have lied about rather than delving
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: into a very dysfunctional and rather ugly family history, to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: make your point.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Keep family out of politics. Family does not belong in politics.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: It is a wicked game as it is. You do
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: not need to be dragging family members and their history
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: of what may and may not have happened through the
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: mud and through the media. What does it say even
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: about the mother, though, that she would come out and
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: speak about her child so poorly? Now, whether or not
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: this woman has light or not, we don't know because
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: we don't know what goes on in people's backyards. What
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: kind of a mother are you to come out and
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: speak so poorly about the child you gave birth to?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I don't like it. I think it is actually quite sickening.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: And it was reminding me of a couple of months
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: ago when Abdul El-Sayed, the socialist candidate over in the US,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: made comments about J.D. Vance and his wife Usha. And
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: he was referring to their sex lives. And J.D. Vance
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: got really offended by it and said, keep my wife's
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: name out of your mouth. And he had every right to,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: because it's highly inappropriate to be talking about Usha Vance
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: when she's got nothing to do with the campaign. And
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: second of all, to even bring up their sex life
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: is entirely inappropriate as well. So, no, I don't like
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: this ad. I think it's wrong.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder whether it really works either, to be perfectly frank,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people have had issues within their
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: families and are estranged from family members or have tensions
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I reckon if you're sitting at home
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: watching that, for a lot of people that would really
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: hit a nerve and would bring up thoughts that they
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: don't really want to think about. And they'd go, oh,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I just, if that's what you're doing, I don't want
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to go there. Because if you've got a problem with
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: your parents, you'd hate to think that they'd ever come
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: out and publicly slag you off. And even if you
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: have a problem with people in your family, most people
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I think go, well, you know, that's my personal thing.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I'd never come out and slag them off in public.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And I reckon most people would look at that and go, actually, nah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that is not for me. I'm not sure that it
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: actually works as a political campaign. Now, the claims that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: she makes in that advertisement, there are means by which
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that could be legitimately aired. Now, if a journalist wanted
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to run a story in a newspaper, on television or whatever,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: in which the candidate then has a legitimate chance to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: respond to it, and give her commentary, that could be
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a balanced piece of journalism. But that's not what that is.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That is an advertisement where it's one side of the story,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: mum's saying, don't vote for my daughter. I don't reckon
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: it works at all.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: We don't have anything like that here.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Thank God.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: However, we do have a history of copying stuff from
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the United States. I don't think Australians particularly... like that
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: at all. I don't think we're like that. I think
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that's one area where we're very different to Americans.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: We are not like that. I don't know any ads
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: that get that personal ever in Australia that I am
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: aware of. You're the political expert.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not really. I mean, the only thing I can
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: think of is in the lead up to 2022, there
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was a story about Peter Dutton and his son's alleged
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: drug use. Oh, that's right. It was some Snapchat posts
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff. That's really the only time I can think
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: of where a politician's child has really been dragged, or
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: vice versa, has really been dragged. Of course, with the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister, we've had stuff about his mother recently, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson got caught up in that. But I've never,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: ever seen anything like it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Where you're using family members as part of the campaign
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: against their own.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, to be fair, Anthony Albanese speaks about
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: his upbringing and his life in social housing and his
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: mother all the time. So I wasn't... I didn't think
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: that that was particularly overly offensive, to be honest.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's completely different to what that is.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: It's completely different to this.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And I'd hate to think we would ever see that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in Pauline.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: You know, all right, here's the closest we've had to it,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I reckon.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Remember Pauline Hanson's ex was interviewed a number of months
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: ago and called her all sorts of things?
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: But the difference, I think, is that was some journalists
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: going and getting a story, as distasteful as it was.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: The Vivek Ramaswamy issue is different because that's a political
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: party leveraging family members against one another, which I agree
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: with you, it doesn't work.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: People just go, yuck, why would you do that?
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: It's icky.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: It's icky.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I just don't know why you'd bother to do it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I really don't think it works in the electorate. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that... Other people within the Republican Party
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: are all that on board with it either.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: J.D.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Vance, when he was asked about it, gave a lukewarm
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: kind of comment.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: Whatever you think about any of the TV advertisements, focus
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: on the substance and focus on the facts.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Whatever you think about them, it was hardly the greatest endorsement.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Speaking of endorsements... and J.D. Vance. A little bit of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: an awkward moment yesterday between him and his president, Donald Trump,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: because he, a few days ago, did an interview with the...
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: ABC in the United States, not our ABC, their ABC
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in the United States, where he talked about the fact
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that he thinks Donald Trump would endorse him for the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: presidency if he wanted to run in 2028. Take a look.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Look, I think if I run, the president will endorse me.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Right away, right at the beginning. In other words, like,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: the day you announced, if you did, he'd endorse you, right?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I would think so, but I don't know, man.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I haven't talked to him about it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It'd be kind of weird, though.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: It'd be kind of weird if you said to Mr President,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to run, and he said, yeah, let me
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: think about it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: No, it'd be weird.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Now, he does say there, I haven't talked to him
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: about it, but they were forced to talk about it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Mr President. Since we have the Vice
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: President here, the Vice President said in an interview yesterday
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that he thought that you would endorse him if he.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Does decide to run in 2028, since we're here. Could
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: you tell us?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you this.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: He's a very talented person, and he's a very good person,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: but we've literally, I don't think we've.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Ever talked about it. No, sir.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I said that, too.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: You know, who would believe that? I don't talk about
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it with him. He doesn't talk about it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: It's early.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: We are very early right now. We have to get
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: through the midterms. Awkward. I feel very sorry for J.D.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, to be fair, he didn't know that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: question was coming in the first interview. He didn't know
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it was coming.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: He brought that upon himself by offering the idea, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: think Trump would endorse me.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: That was a silly thing to say.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It led to a very awkward situation. I'm not sure
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that he really has to endorse anyone at this stage, though.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're only at the midterms now. I mean,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: what's he going to do, come out now? And if
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: he came out now and endorsed someone... it'd bugger up
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the whole idea of primaries to begin with, right? I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: think he's got to wait and see where the chips
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: lie in a couple of years' time.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Well, the other two things that would happen is if
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: he endorsed somebody now, he'd make one person and their
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: supporters within his team very happy and then the other
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: half of his team would be pissed off for the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: next year and a half.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So that's not smart.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And then all the talk and every decision would then
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: be filtered through the prism of, Well, what will J.D.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Vance think about this? Or Rubio, if he's the one endorsed?
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: And so Trump would become a little bit more lame
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: duck than otherwise if he nominates his successor, because the
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: media would want the successor's view on every single decision,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I think. That said, I hope he endorses Rubio.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Me too. I really do hope he endorses Marco Rubio.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: I feel like he has proven himself on the world
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: stage in engaging in diplomacy as Secretary of State. I mean,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: this is a guy who was born to Cuban migrants
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: and has been so outspoken and so strong when it
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: comes to the issues of mass migration and open borders.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: And he's come such a long way from his own
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: presidential run back in 2016. He's a great orator, speaks
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: with a lot of clarity, speaks with a lot of strength. And, look,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: that's not to say that J.D. Vance isn't good. I
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: do think that J.D. Vance is... If he does get
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: a run, I think he would be a fantastic president.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I think, again, he speaks with such poise. But something
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: about Marco Rubio just has a touch more professionalism and
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: just comes across with a lot more grace and good
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: leadership and good qualities on his shoulders.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Notwithstanding that Rubio has been impressive, I think that last
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: point you make about the polished element of him and
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the professionalism perhaps counts against him.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: A little bit. In what way?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Because the whole Donald Trump thing is, it's just sort
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of what you see is what you get, right? People
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like Donald Trump because he's not the consummate professional. They
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: like Donald Trump because he's entertaining, he says things, he
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: goes rogue, whatever, right? And I think you get a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: bit more of that From J.D.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Vance.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I think J.D. Vance deserves a look in. And I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: think he's a bit more in the Trump style than
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is. And so, well, you know, it's a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: question for the MAGA movement, I suppose, as to what
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: exactly they want in a successor to Donald Trump. But
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I think Vance is probably more of the Trump style.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: He is more of the Trump style, but I honestly.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Well, who knows what the American public will think, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: if it were me, I'd be hoping that Trump, having
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: been the bull in the China shop and sorted a
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: whole lot of stuff out, that the next person is
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a little more statesmanlike.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: J.D.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Vance is highly combative.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: The other thing that I think will count against him
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: is he's got some associations with certain people, maybe Tucker Carlson,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: who are quite polarising figures.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think that would count against him because there
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: are MAGA supporters that do like the likes of Tucker Carlson.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are a lot that don't.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: And then the people he'd have to win over to
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: vote for him would probably.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know. I don't think it's a make
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: or break at all. I do not think it's a
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: make or break.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: The other thing I like about Rubio is he's far
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: more hawkish. He's much more supportive of Israel than J.D. Vance,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: who sometimes you're trying to work out where he stands.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: And Rubio is far stronger on Iran than J.D.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Vance. I worry that J.D.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Vance will be a little soft when it comes to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Islamic extremism compared to Rubio, who's got foreign policy experience
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: and intelligence experience.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. Look, let's just stay in the US before
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: we go to an ad break. The WNBA is in
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: a world of pain because it still just does not
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: know what a woman is. Now, you recall Sophie Cunningham,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: one of their players... A couple of months ago dared
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to suggest that biological men should not be allowed to
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: play in the women's league and that caused a whole
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: lot of furor when you've got other players, coaches and
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: officials coming out saying, no, trans rights for the win.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Absolute load of nonsense. But now Congress has asked the
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: WNBA the simple question, how would you define a woman?
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Because there were two former male players, biological men, who
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: thought we're going to enrol into the league as a
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: bit of a joke to see if we would be
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: allowed in. Now, this on your screen is Inez Cantor-Freedom.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: and Royce White. Congress asked how to find a woman,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: given that these two have tried to enter the league,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: and both of them have been ruled ineligible to play
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: because they are both men, none of which makes sense.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Here was the Commissioner of the WNBA. Oh, sorry.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: After careful consideration and reviewing the current eligibility guidelines, I
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: am officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect. If simply declaring
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: who you are is all that's required... that I meet
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: every single requirement necessary to compete in the WNBA. My
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: team and I have carefully examined the WNBA's eligibility criteria
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: and governing framework surrounding self-identification and inclusion. Based on the
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: current guidelines, I can and am officially declaring my eligibility
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: for the upcoming WNBA draft in May, 2027.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: So that was Enes Kanter-Freedom, and based on the guidelines,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: he should be eligible to play. Here was the Commissioner
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: of the WNBA, Cathy Engelbert. She said, So the WNBA
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: is going around in circles.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Because of a simple biological reality. They know what a
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: man is, but they still can't work out what a
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: woman is. Fancy that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: including Anthony Albanese, who's got a reputation for not being
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: able to tell the truth, can't tell the truth about
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: a dirt file.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: That's next.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: OK, let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Danica DiGiorgio has The Australian.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Headline there, it all comes out in The Wash PM,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: an exclusive by Greg Brown. Independent Senator David Pocock has
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: described Anthony Albanese's actions. as not good enough after the
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister claimed a dirt sheet distributed from his office
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: about Helen Haynes was merely aimed at highlighting that people
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: of integrity stand up for their electorate. Mr Albanese's claim
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: on Thursday was at odds with the document released last month,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: which clearly questioned whether the Indi MP had conflicts of
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: interest over funding proposals for which she was advocating. But
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: there's also another one there, family rift in frame as
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: possible motive for attack. Another exclusive, police investigating the car
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: attack on Helen Haynes are exploring potential links between the
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: accused man's volatile behaviour towards his family and his alleged
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: targeting of the federal MP. The Australian understands Victoria Police
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: and Australian Federal Police investigators are turning their attention towards
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Brendan Nugent's alleged hostility towards his father and stepmother, who
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: count Dr Haynes as a friend. as they probed the
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: motivation for the alleged assault on Monday. And one of
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: the lines of inquiry is whether Mr Nugent had experienced
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: a psychotic episode and targeted Dr Haynes as some sort
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: of a proxy for a family member. Look, obviously, that
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: investigation is still taking place, but they are certainly major
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: revelations as revealed by The Australian. But just going back
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: to this dirt file, the way that Anthony Albanese has
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: conducted himself through this, it's been embarrassing. And there's a
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: quote here, and this was one of the quotes from
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanese today. He said, let's be very clear, it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: a list of funding asks from Helen Haynes just showing
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: that people of integrity stand up for their electorate. People
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: of integrity... The Prime Minister has showed no integrity. And, again,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: the issue is not with the dirt file itself. It's
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: the way that he has conducted himself ever since.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So bad, isn't it? Like, it's reminiscent of a child that,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you know, does something wrong and they know it's wrong, right?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So they steal a $ 2 coin or something, right? And
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you catch them out. And you go, what's the go here?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And they go, oh, well, I just found it on
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the floor. I didn't know. I didn't think I was
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. Like, come on. We can all see.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Just go and read the document. It's online. It's very clear.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: They were not suggesting that she was a person of integrity.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It was impugning her integrity and suggesting that journalists ask
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: about whether there were conflicts of interest in things that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: she had asked for in her electorate. Come on.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: So the problem is not that Anthony Albanese lies. He
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: lies because of the problem, which is that he can
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: never admit a mistake and he's got an incredibly fragile
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: jaw where any sort of criticism causes him to duck
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: and weave such that he can't even stumble on a
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: stage without lying about it. And here's just the latest example. But, yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you're right, Caleb, it's such a bald-faced lie.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: And can I just say as well... It is embarrassing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: At the heart of all this, a woman has lost
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: both of her legs. She's still in hospital. Her family
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: are going through hell and back. And the Prime Minister
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: can't show not one ounce of integrity and not one
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: ounce of leadership.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But just think, if you're told the truth, like, is
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: it really that much of a... controversy that they had
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: a dirt file.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know Angus Taylor hasn't come out and
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: slammed the Prime Minister and the reason for that is
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: because the Liberal Party hand around dirt files and One
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Nation do it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody does it. So just tell the truth and this
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: story would have.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Been ancient news. Yeah, would have killed it. Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: All right, front page of tomorrow's NT News.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: 12 years of threats. Files speaks out on political violence
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: after horrific attack on Helen Haynes. Former Chief Minister Natasha
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Files has told of the threats and violence she was
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: subjected to while in public office. She's revealed the lasting
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: toll it has had on her life. Back in 2023,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: she was assaulted by a member of the public. Files
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: was at a public market, as she's in the habit
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: of doing on weekends, when a woman came up and
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: shoved a cream pie in her face. And, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the cream pie is kind of funny, but It is
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: when clowns do it at the circus.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: It's not when you're walking.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Through a market and someone smashes something in your face
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and hurts you. She's talked about how ever since then,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: when she goes to the markets and someone calls her name,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: she does a double take whether she wants to turn
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: around and talk to them or whether she's going to
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: get abused. She had people smash windows in her electorate office.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: She had people put nails in her car tyres. She
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: had people stalk her. That was over 12 years of
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: public life. We can understand why, well, according to yesterday's papers,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: some political MPs at the moment are considering whether it's
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: worth remaining in public office.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Such is the, you know.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Bad treatment that they get from members of the public.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Of course. And we spoke about this only yesterday, I
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: think it was, revealed in the Australian newspaper, that some
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: of the concerns by parliamentarians have fallen on deaf ears.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: And that is a problem. So, yeah, I don't disagree
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: that people would be reconsidering their own positions.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, out of that list you've given there, getting
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a cream pie in public was the least of her worries, right? Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And this is, you know, it makes you wonder, really,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: why do people do this job? Like, for the money
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: that they get for what you could otherwise be doing
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: in the private sector, having to cop that sort of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: rubbish really makes you wonder why people put themselves forward
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: for public life. On the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: people who put themselves forward for public life, enough to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: make you sick, a report has exposed the former Andrews
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: government's staggering $ 40 billion COVID bill... In shocking examples of waste,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the State Auditor-General found $ 777. 2 million alone was written off
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: on expired masks... Wow... and other personal protective equipment. The
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: colossal sum includes $ 72. 5 million in incorrectly paid COVID-19 grants
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: written off as unrecoverable, while Labor also abandoned investigations into
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: another $ 552... Sorry, $ 253 million. Million dollars worth of high-risk
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: grant payments. Where do you be? $ 40 billion.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: They spent on COVID. Nearly $ 800 million in masks that expired.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: What?
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Is this not another reason why we need a COVID
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Royal Commission? Is this not another reason why individuals such
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: as this nutter need to be hauled in front of
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: a Royal Commission to explain the decisions that were made
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: during that time? But this is an extraordinary amount of waste.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: No wonder Victoria is in record amounts of debt.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Think of it, any other issue with this much of.....
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: with this many questions over it, whether financial, whether human
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: rights questions, et cetera, et cetera, there would be a
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Royal Commission, but the problem is that it would implicate
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: members of both the Labor and the Liberal parties, and that's.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Why we will.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Well, isn't it worth it, though?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Well, they'll never agree to have one, will they?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Pretty incredible. Also on the front of the Herald Sun,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: of course, you'll see there a bit of a G
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: up for the Cox Plate, which is fantastic. We love
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the Cox Plate. But it says, AusMega lawsuit... Meta lawsuit. So,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: social media giant Meta has been hit with a landmark
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: class action which will seek compensation for young Instagram and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Facebook users... who became addicted to the platforms are exposed
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to harmful content. The legal case filed in the federal
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: court this month comes after the tech giant was ordered
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: to pay the US state of New Mexico $ 1. 43 billion
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: in penalties in a similar case related to harms against children.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Interesting to see where that one ends up.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, there's been overseas examples, so no wonder
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: it's set the standard. Now, suddenly you're addicted and you
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: can sue. That is the problem. No personal responsibility these days.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: A quick look at the Daily Telegraph exclusive union power grab, ALP.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: decrees EBAs needed for $ 100 billion in contracts. Unions would
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: gain greater influence over who wins taxpayer-funded work under a
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: proposed overhaul of federal procurement laws, with business warning it
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: will drive up costs and heighten corruption risks. The Business
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Council of Australia is demanding the Albanese government acts the
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Secure Australian Jobs Framework and Supply Code changes, saying they
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: will damage productivity and squeeze small businesses out of work.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: There you go. Well, we're going to go to a break.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: When we come back, Hindus believe that elephants are sacred
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: and divine.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: If only they'd told the elephant at the Hindu festival.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: That's next.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Well, Hindus believe that elephants are sacred and divine creatures.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: So they decided to use an elephant for a Hindu
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: festival and they put on top of the elephant a
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: 650 kilogram golden shrine so it could carry a Hindu
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: idol on. at the front of the festival. Unfortunately, no
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: one told the elephant that it was divine and sacred.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: That's no way to treat an idol.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: They managed to sedate the elephant and organisers of the
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: festival have said that from now on, all elephants participating
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: in the festival will undergo at least 20 days of training.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Well, it had enough. It didn't want to be known
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: as sacred anymore, James. It ran away and had enough.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe it figured if you're divine and sacred, you do
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: whatever you want.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: You do whatever you want. I mean, I think that's
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: absolutely fair enough. Now, we're going to show you this
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: in San Francisco. A construction worker has quite literally had
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: to get to the bottom of things when he entered
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a statue via a very curious pathway.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, he's going up into her butt.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. This is crazy. Oh, no. Wow. This
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is nuts.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, dear. Yes, so that statue was actually originally created
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: for the Burning Man Festival, hence why its size and
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I guess it's a human. It must be. But there
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: you go, an unfortunate way to enter. The passage.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I've heard that bloke is quite fastidious about his job.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: He's quite anal.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: It's not all it's cracked up to be.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, he went home, his
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: wife said, how was your day? He said it was
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: an absolute cracker. As it was for these people in
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Utah who've been sent to rescue a kitten and they've
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: done it with what looks to be like some kind
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of Tonka truck. So he's stuck in a drain pipe
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and they've sent down a remote control car to chase
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the kitten out. How good's that?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: See, there's a robot I can get behind.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: They should, you know, remote control car.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Remember as a kid playing with a remote control car.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Little did I know that they would be doing good
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: deeds years later.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: There you go. All right, that's all from us. We'll
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: see you next week.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Coming up in just a moment is the Rita Pennehy Show.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Good night.