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About That Pod #2 - Ryan Seagrist on Our Discount List · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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So we just talked about your band, man.
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Nice. So.
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I'm sure. I'm sure it was a heated
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discussion. It actually was, man.
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So I'm not sure how familiar with the premise you are.
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We got 43 unanimously and we got 13, I think.
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No, it was 13. How many was in the discussion?
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14 So then you got to whittle it down to six.
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And it, I, I wouldn't say it got heated because all of us are
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very distinguished gentlemen and, and, and we don't yell like
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that. Of course, but got to maintain,
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you know, we had to your demeanor, yes.
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Keep our composure, if you will, of.
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Course, of course. But it did.
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It did like there was a lot of hurt feelings involved or I, I
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should say like a little stinging because people's
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favourites, you know, had to hit the floor.
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But that's. Kind of yeah.
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My my personal favorite went and read into the trash.
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Like. Did it?
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Yeah. I'm interested to hear what got
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left out just as much what what got put in well.
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Here we should start with that then.
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Maybe. Yeah, let's let me look at.
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So included on in our list was 67 songs and we covered 38 of
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them between the three. Yeah.
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So just just know this the three of us considered the discography
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pretty, pretty thick. Like it's it's.
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Yeah. Did you go into like EPS and
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everything? Because we've got.
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Yeah, we did. We did singles 1 and singles 2.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, most, most, most
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everything's on there. So there's like 5 album length I
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guess. Works that you can look into,
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right? Yeah.
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But weren't there some like EPS that like didn't make it on to
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the singles comps? I think there's there might
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there's like a couple songs, but just a couple songs I have.
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To ask you about the Billy Bragg thing like that love Billy EP is
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one of my absolute favorite things of all time.
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I should be I'm I'm John from Atlanta.
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Ryan. Hey, how's it going?
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I'm a I'm a big fan. But yeah, that we we talked
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about at the beginning that that Billy Bragg covers EP.
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It's just incredible. But it we didn't include it in
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this. Well The funny thing about the
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Billy Bragg's EP is that our friend Jamie, who actually
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Allison went on to form the kills with his manager, either
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managed Billy Bragg or knew him from like up up in England and
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they actually gave Billy Bragg a copy of the EP.
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I had heard that he had heard it and liked it at.
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One point, Yeah, yeah. He was into it.
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And he said if whenever we wanted to go to a show, we were
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welcome to come and hang out. And actually, I think, I think
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it was just definitely Todd. But I think Todd and Allison or
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maybe Todd and Bill went to see Billy Bragg and like, he let
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them backstage and hung out with him the whole time.
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It was, yeah, I did not go, which I don't know what I was
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doing, Yeah. Yeah, we all make those
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mistakes. Yeah, what are you going to do?
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What are you going to do? I.
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Think we forgot proper introductions here?
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This is Ryan from Discount. Justin is the host.
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That's me. Awesome.
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And then I've got John here as a panelist.
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And then there's me. You know me.
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Yeah, I think we graduated high school together.
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Is that right? Yeah.
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Yeah. Same year, right?
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Yeah. Now, you were a couple years
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ahead of me. Was I?
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Oh, OK. I thought we were in the same
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year. I gotcha.
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So I want to since you expressed interest in in hearing what
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missed, do you mind me? I'll read you the ones that hit
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the bin, which is the nice way of saying the trash can.
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So here's the here's the songs that only one of us brought to
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the table. And this is this is where we got
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extensive. So we've got half the time.
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OK, her last day. Torn jeans.
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City city bleach. All this is all.
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Are you going in order from albums or does it all just
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happen to be from most of them? Be from Ataxia.
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No these this is just in order after stuff that got actually
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made lists right? OK so city bleach toxic home.
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Dreamt this was a castle on the couch.
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I like that song, but that's a weird song.
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Like that was a James song. Like, OK, James came up with
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like the original verse part. James brought songs here and
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there. There were a few on, a couple on
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attacks. See, that's my alarm going off
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there. Apologize.
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That's all right. There's a couple songs that he
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wrote on or contributed like, you know, the the, the the spark
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of the idea for a taxi and a couple on on Half Fiction and
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Drum. This was the Castle was one of
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them. I feel like it, you know, I
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don't, I don't remember if I said this on the episode or not,
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but I feel like that was one that was that I pinned
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initially. And you said it's weird.
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And I I think somewhere in me I felt, yeah, I might be the only
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one if I if I bring this. And you know, lo and behold,
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somebody else had it. I was wrong.
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But what do you? Understand the bass player songs
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are always weird. Yeah, there you go all.
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Right on the counter. That's that's a good, that's a
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good solid pop song like that's. That was my personal favorite.
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Yeah, yeah, that one. I, I agree.
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I like that one too. It's just like very sound
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structurally. I mean, it's kind of, I mean, I
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won't say predictable, but it's, you know, it's, it's got that
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classic kind of kind of arrangement.
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Well, The thing is with with a show like this, the idea being
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because I had never heard of the band before this like John and
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Peter, both big fans, I had never I'd never taken the dot.
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I hadn't even heard the name until they brought it to me.
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And so the idea being, let me me personally find the stuff that I
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like and then let me take the stuff that I like and try to get
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somebody else to like them too. You know, when you talk about
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like that, that simple, you know, formula like that is
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actually kind of key to what this show is I I feel.
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Gotcha gotcha. So you're completely objective,
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not colored by being part of the scene at a certain time or
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anything like. That Nope, not, you know, I had,
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I had no, no tie at all, which is in part, I think how a lot of
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these ones happen because both John, John and Peter have some
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sort of attachment places where I'm just literally just going,
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man, this is awesome. This is something I would, I
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would, I would tell somebody to listen to.
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But I, I, I do want to reiterate the way I'm saying this, I want
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to reiterate dense. It's, you know, it, there's not
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a lot, but it's dense. Like there was a lot of songs to
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choose from that that could have done exactly what I was just
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saying. Consistent.
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Consistent. Yeah, we were, we were.
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We were pretty prolific for like this short period of time we
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were around. Man, there's still a lot if you
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still want these ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I wouldn't mind hearing some more of the rejects.
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Your word, not mine. Age of age of spinning sleeping
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motorboy. And when that one came up and it
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cause what I like to do is try to play like a little bit of the
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song if it misses just to make everybody that didn't have it
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feel bad. And that was one that I
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immediately felt bad. I was like shit, I think, I
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think that one I should have had.
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Let's see apostrophe. See, that's AI.
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Think that's a good one too, yeah.
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Yeah, was that I can't. Remember, I was that that was my
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pick. Yeah, I was going to say this.
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I I have it listed as me, but I know it wasn't me.
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Then hit that one was me. I was.
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That was my one of my misses. And then we're getting into the
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singles here. Bloody mediocrity.
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Yep. Trouble in the sky.
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I don't. I do.
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Yep, it's been years. I like that one too.
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That was on. I think that was the J Church
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split. I like that.
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Just just 7 inch, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the J chur
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split 7 inch. Yeah.
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And then let's see, where were we?
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It's been years. History is history.
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That one hurt. I thought that one was going to
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make it. That was on the four O3 Chaos
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comp that one, yeah. Let's see, fixing rubble,
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building us. That's another James song.
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Oh. OK, see, maybe Justin doesn't
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like James and I just. Take the mallet.
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Faithful Elevator. Right.
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Oh, that's, I do not like that one.
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That's that only came out on the singles collection.
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Oh really? I didn't.
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Yeah, it was not actually on a release.
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That was Jake. A super leftover, yeah.
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Well, you know, you can tell on the new year, I I didn't know
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that. And last but not least,
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successfully delirious. Yeah, yeah, I like that one too.
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Which of course would have been, you know, that doesn't leave a
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lot that we didn't bring up in the on on the show.
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So So what I want to do is I'm going to bounce our ten off you.
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And if you have like stories or something you want to say about
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the song and then Peter tells me that you have that.
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I mean, no pressure, obviously if you didn't get to it, but if
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you have a 10 that you want to bounce off us, I would fucking
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love that. I I didn't write anything down,
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but I could probably spit ball X.
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OK, well. You know, we can, we can just
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see where it matches with ours because we we had a whole
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process. So what we ended up going with
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our number one, which is the one that we would say, hey, this is
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the song you got to listen to. And it's also the band's going
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to need the band's representation in the Best of
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Show next year. So we went with Math.
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Won't miss you for that one. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I agree on
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that one. Like that we, you know, the last
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album got less poppy for the most part.
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That was kind of one of the holdouts and I, I think that one
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really, really worked. That's one of my that would
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definitely be in my top too. As well can.
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I just ask a question real quick, Ryan.
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Was it like a a conscious decision to make crash
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diagnostic like more of that kind of angular kind of DC style
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or were you guys just evolving and listening to more of that
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stuff? Yeah, it was kind of an
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evolution, definitely kind of playing with more bands that
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sounded a little further away from just your basic pop punk
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kind of paradigm, listening to more stuff like that.
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And also like, you know, it's, it's a little boring just
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playing bar chords all the time. So just getting a little better
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about that, playing our instruments too over the time.
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And do you? Think that like if just kind of
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continued like would it have kept going more of that way you
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think probably. Remember also, that's when Todd
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Rock Hill replaced games. James played on the 1st Realms,
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Todd played on the last album. So a lot of you know the new
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kind of feel had to do with having a new member as well.
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Cool. All right, so we're just going
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to go. That's not even an album order,
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so we'll go. KVT shirt was next.
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Yeah, I mean, I that's definitely one of like the crowd
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favorites. It's just so early on and it, it
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feels so kind of like, I won't say like juvenile, but it's, you
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know, that's like at our very super early years.
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But yeah, I could see that one. It wouldn't be in mine though.
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I I like, first of all, I like your take on it because
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obviously you were there. So like, yeah, screw me, the guy
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who just just heard of you. But like, I love that, you know,
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that's your take on it. And when we do this, like I like
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to represent. I like to represent that, hey,
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this is where they started and this is where they end up.
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Yeah. But I could imagine as an
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artist, you might go, yeah, cool.
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But like we got way better later.
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Like, well, we. We were also, we were very young
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when we started doing sort of recording and actually playing
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shows and putting out records. You know, the first, a taxi that
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came out. Yeah, we were in high school
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still when we recorded all of Ataxia.
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So we were, I was probably 1617 when we wrote that song.
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Allison was a year behind and so is James.
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So they were probably 16 or 17 as well.
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It's probably I was probably 6-17 and they were probably 16
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when we wrote that one. And I wish I was doing anything
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at 16 well. Move to a boring, boring town
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like Vero Beach, right, Peter? Yeah.
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I mean, what I was doing was going to your shows because
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like, that's all there was to do.
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There was a lot of good music at that time.
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I mean that's, you know, it was pre Internet, pre cell phones,
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pre anything. So it's just the shows just up
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and down the coast and all throughout Florida.
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It's just what what everybody did, the shows weren't.
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Just punk shows there would be like a punk band, a metal band,
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a ska band. Like, All in one night.
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Yeah. Oh.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it was, it was.
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And you know all the all the venues kind of help too.
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In Vero, we had the old schoolhouse that was on the
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border of Fort Pierce. Then we had the women's club as
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well and that those are just in our direct area, but down and
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there were venues down in West Palm.
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There was a place called the Brothel in Melbourne, which was
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actually BMX Park in there. There was just a there's a lot
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going on back then, especially in in our area.
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So the next and again, these are going to kind of it looks like
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be semi all over the place. But next we have half fiction.
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This, obviously this. Song.
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Yeah, that would definitely be be in my list too.
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I proposed that one as the one like late 'cause we were we had
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split until John made me go. No, Justin, you got to be the
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you got to be the tiebreaker. But like I kind of proposed that
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and then immediate immediately hated myself 'cause it became
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like this three-way conversation.
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But yeah, I I love the energy of half fiction, Yeah.
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It's it's, it's a, it's a waltz. It's in 3-4.
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So yeah, it's kind of bouncy. But no, that was like 1 of yeah,
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it started, you know, it started the album Half Half Fiction and
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it's it, yeah, it would definitely be in my list.
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So I've got Half Fiction and Math will miss you as well.
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And mine. So that's my 2 so far.
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All right. And then we've got harder to
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tell. I like that song, but I don't
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love that song. But that's another James song.
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Or he came up with with a couple of the Yeah, I think he came up
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with the initial idea for it. I think oh so.
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That one had been around before the crash diagnostic era.
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Yeah, we actually recorded that on tour before we actually
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recorded Crash Diagnostic. I forget what town where you're
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in, but we just, we were, it was somewhere in the Midwest and we
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just booked a studio and we kind of demoed a few songs there and
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the version is a little bit different.
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We also did hit at that recording session and it's yeah,
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just like a little little bit different, but that was around
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for a little bit. That might have been one of the
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kind of songs that came right after Half Fiction before we
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started, kind of. Transitioning, I guess my next
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question would be like kind of in line with what John was
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asking is it's technically listed on Spotify is hard to
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tell 5 is that is that a typo or kind of to your point is this is
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it just that ended up being like the fifth version of it?
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No, I have actually no idea. I didn't even know that.
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So I'm I've, I mean, it's probably just the mistake of
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some sort. Yeah, I'm guessing.
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A typo then, But I yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There was an opening there, you know, I was like, oh, several
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versions maybe. Maybe that's why.
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But OK, here's here's where it got heated towards the end of
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the day because the other one that was up for number 1 was
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broken to blue. That that I, I, I think that
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that's a good in between, between, you know, there's the
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sound from half fiction and then the crash diagnostic sounds kind
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of halfway between both of those kind of general feels.
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So yeah, I, I, I like that one. That would, that would probably
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be in my list as well. Yeah, I was.
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Fighting hard for that one. Yeah.
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I, we listen again, we listen to it at the end there, 'cause it
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was in the conversation to be the number one.
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And like as I'm listening, I'm like, why didn't like, why
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wasn't that unanimous? Why didn't I have that?
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And I'll say this, there was a lot of a lot of songs that had
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to hit the floor that I had that very exact feeling when we're
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doing the show is why didn't I have it?
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You got to make a lot of decisions.
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Is is what? Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. I mean going through any bands
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complete discography, especially when you're looking at kind of
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five albums worth of material. Plus it's a lot of stuff to get
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through. Behind curtain number is next.
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I I would tend to agree on that one.
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Yeah, I I'd like that one a lot. What is that got us?
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We got 4 that's we're doing. Pretty good so far, yeah.
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And you know. At the end of that song, you
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know how there's that kind of like tape loop and weirdness
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that happens? That's actually a Juliana
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Hatfield tape Got caught in someones tape machine.
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I think it's Bills. And it ended up you can hear
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Juliana Hansfield's voice at the end.
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It's pretty distinctive. Awesome.
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But it kind of got warped and caught in the in the cassette
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player and somehow we recorded it and kind of tapped it onto
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the end of that one. I'm going to have.
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To listen again to that because I'm sure, I'm sure I noticed it,
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but I just didn't clock it. No, I mean you, you can't.
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It's not her saying any words. It's it's kind of like backwards
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and weird, but it was that like. The the the one minute 4 track
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or like the 38 second track. No those.
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Were just individual, just kind of instrumentals that we
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couldn't come up with the full song structures, yeah.
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Justin, you didn't even mention those.
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Like on Crash Diagnostic, there's two little kind of
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interstitial instrumental tracks that we did that I didn't
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include on the list, but they're definitely part of the album
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that. Was one of that was that was
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like a career highlight. I actually they played one of
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those instrumentals on, you know, like the in between music
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on NPR. Like they actually played one of
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those when I was listening to NPR and I was pretty happy.
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Well, there you go. You're XR man?
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the the seven
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senses in the mail. I actually got a check once from
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ASCAP for $0.38. My parents threw it out.
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I was super mad. Hey man, that $0.38 could come
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in handy right now. I was going.
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To frame it, it's it's the most I've ever made of doing music.
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I remember when we were working, when we were working together at
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Whole Foods, like you mentioned, something like, yeah, I just got
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like a, a check from Spotify for like $0.25 or something.
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Oh yeah. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's big
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time, big time. That's the thing, like we use
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Spotify for the show mostly and I, I hate it because it, and I
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was telling we were discussing it.
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I think it was me and you, Peter, but just before John
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hopped on I I hate using it because I don't like the way it
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fucks the artists over. But yeah, but it has like
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everything. Yeah, I mean, we're actually not
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on Apple Music. Spotify's probably the easiest
21:19
way to listen to everything because we you got to get.
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On band camp discount doesn't have a band camp that's.
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True, but I don't know if we'll get in trouble for that.
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I don't know. Probably not.
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We we had kind of like a little thing with our old label.
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So we actually made them take off our songs on Apple Music.
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And it only hurt us because now we don't know how to get him
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back on. Oh, man.
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Well, we could probably figure it out.
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Well, you know, at this point it's, you know, like 22 years
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later. So I'm not sure how much it
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matters. Well, we can.
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We can stay obscure to the to the kids, you know?
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Well, hopefully, like you look, man, I'm not, I'm not saying our
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little show is going to turn millions of people onto the
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band, but like, you know, there are definitely people that
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listen to to our show that are going to be like, how the fuck
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didn't I know about this band? Which makes me happy.
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No, no, it's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I've I've done, I did one podcast about discount.
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You know, it comes up every once in a while.
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It's real cool. Do you ever like just go down in
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your basement and just like play discount songs?
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Oh well, Bill Todd and I practiced.
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Oh yeah. Yeah.
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In Vero, when we were both back for Thanksgiving, we had a
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little practice. Nice.
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Then we practice once they came to Durham, where I live.
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I live in like the Triangle area in North Carolina now.
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So Bill, Bill and Todd and I have been in just going over
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stuff and practicing. Awesome.
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Did you? Live like 5 hours away from me,
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I think. Yeah, yeah.
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I'm I'm in Hillsboro, right outside of Durham and Chapel
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Hill. I live.
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In Virginia, gotcha. I live in Hampton, VA which
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means nothing to anybody really but Virginia Beach VA beach ish
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area like gotcha the right on the water so cool.
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All right, we've got Mallory's mission.
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Oh no, I mean, that's a cool. I mean, that would not be on my
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list. That's surprising.
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Who did that one? Actually, that one was a
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unanimous all three of us had it, OK.
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OK, well, that's just shows like the, you know, maybe sometimes
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you're too close to it. I think I I fought for that one.
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Oh yeah. I love that song.
23:37
Yeah, right. Yep, I think.
23:39
I, I, I was the holdout on that one.
23:41
That's right. Yeah, Thanks.
23:42
Peter. Good, good.
23:45
The thing I love is there there's there's been yes, I
23:49
agree there's been OK, I can see that.
23:52
And then I think there's been 20.
23:54
No, I love that. I mean like.
23:58
Like Mallory's Mission, Mallory's Mission was definitely
24:01
not a song we kept playing long after, you know, half fiction.
24:06
We it didn't stay in the set list for for that long after.
24:10
After the taxi came out, it was on.
24:12
There was a version on the. Was it on the Stop Racism
24:15
compilation? Yeah.
24:16
Yeah, there was like a live. Version.
24:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll.
24:20
I'll tell you my well, you know, my thoughts will be on the
24:23
episode too, which you know, I hope, I hope you choose to
24:26
listen, but I will listen to me. It was about keeping the energy
24:31
up after, you know, waiting by the wayside, which I'll say now
24:37
and then we can circle back around.
24:39
But waiting by the wayside also made our list.
24:42
But like the way Wayside starts and goes, this is what this band
24:47
is. And then to me, Mallory's
24:50
mission is like, OK, by the way, we're not stopping.
24:55
So yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I, I, I really like waiting by the
24:58
wayside as well. So there's a chance that could,
25:01
that could have made my list, this my list too.
25:04
I'll. I'll tell you, these guys will
25:08
tell you, anytime they do a show with me, it is almost always a
25:12
guarantee that I play track one album 1.
25:16
Yeah. Especially when it nails what
25:18
the band is. And that's what I thought
25:21
Wayside does. Wayside is like, here the fuck
25:24
we are. We're discount.
25:25
And it was like, oh shit, yeah, cool.
25:27
Like, I know what I'm. I know what I'm in for.
25:28
I know what the rest of this discog, you know, at least
25:32
vaguely will be. And so that that was why I had
25:35
it. But.
25:37
Yeah. I mean, that would alpha Taxia.
25:39
I think that that would probably be the one that I choose.
25:42
I briefly thought about bringing it up for #1 but like we already
25:47
had enough in the in the combo for that, so gotcha.
25:51
Gotcha. Then we got clapping cough.
25:54
Yeah, that has to be in there. I'm.
25:56
Glad you said that because John brought it up.
25:59
And so we do a thing called final say, and at the beginning
26:04
of the game we go around trying to guess how many we're going to
26:07
get through unanimously. And I got the union, I got the
26:11
final say, I got the pick and clap and cough was my choice.
26:15
Yeah, I. I think that that's that's kind
26:17
of a no brainer that definitely makes the cut.
26:21
There you go. And then rounding out our list
26:23
is black and white. Can't capture red and blue.
26:26
I really like that one too. I didn't know that that some of
26:29
those songs, some of those kind of slower, more musical thongs
26:34
off Crash, I didn't know that resonated that much.
26:38
But yeah, I definitely, I like that one a lot.
26:41
Yes. So for the record, I was the odd
26:43
man out on that. But right, John said it was one
26:47
of his favorites. And Oh yeah.
26:50
Talk two or three we. Almost.
26:53
When we were in the studio with J Robbins and I was kind of
26:56
fighting for this, but we had the track and we were kind of
27:00
like going through mixing and he put some crazy effect on
27:03
Allison's voice. It was some kind of tremolo and
27:07
made it sound like she was singing underwater.
27:09
And he was like, what do you think about this?
27:12
I liked it a lot, but Allison's like, no.
27:15
So it, I mean, I won't say it almost got that way, but I kind
27:19
of I, I was leaning towards doing the weird effect on her
27:23
voice, but it didn't, it didn't end up on the album like that.
27:28
I used to be. I was in a band.
27:30
I was in a band once. Everybody's in now.
27:33
Go ahead. And I got talked into doing a
27:37
lot of those, you know, weird vocal things.
27:40
And, you know, on the rare occasion I I listen to those now
27:46
and you know, that's it's a real rare occasion.
27:49
It's usually like somebody says to me, you're in a band.
27:51
I was like, yeah, here you go. But I'm like, I can't believe I
27:58
did that. I can't believe.
27:59
I yeah, it's probably wouldn't have it probably wouldn't have
28:02
aged very well. And that's what sucks is because
28:05
it sounds cool and you're like, yeah, man, I'm into that.
28:10
But then you go back and you're like, oh dude, like.
28:13
Yeah, but gimmicky stuff doesn't tend to, you know, persevere.
28:18
It's like, you know, if you're, if you're trying, it's like it's
28:21
just too much at times. Yeah, I mean, I, I think what
28:26
you're what you're saying is, is exactly what happened on the
28:31
show today. Like the there's no gimmicks,
28:35
you know that. You guys were.
28:37
Exactly what you were and like the the truly great stuff shown
28:41
through to somebody who had never heard of you before.
28:44
Like whenever, whenever these guys brought it up and now and
28:50
I, I said this to John, I'll I'll say it to you like John's
28:53
on a roll. So we did American football
28:56
earlier this year. We did pup with these same two
29:00
guys a a couple weeks ago and then we did you today tonight
29:05
and like these are three bands that I'm like, how the fuck did
29:09
I miss them? Like how did I not know?
29:11
And there's a lot of. Bands out there, it's true.
29:15
That's true. There's even.
29:16
It seems like there's even more bands out there today.
29:19
Like, I listen to college radio all the time and it's just a
29:22
constant barrage because it's so much easier to record now.
29:25
Yeah, man. Yeah, we back.
29:27
We mentioned in the show that like, like bands that are huge
29:30
now, like Paramore, like somebody in that band listened
29:33
to you guys like, I mean. There isn't Paramore from
29:36
Florida too or am I kind of being?
29:38
I don't know. I don't know if they are.
29:40
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either.
29:42
I, I think they call Nashville home now, but it doesn't mean
29:46
that's where they're from. Allison.
29:48
'S in Nashville too. Oh.
29:50
I was just in Nashville. I went to see the Predators play
29:53
and it was awesome. Like, not to be Mr. Hockey Guy,
29:57
but it was it was a blast. Yeah, but there's like nowadays,
30:01
like back in the day and I found sound like I'm a million years
30:04
old, but back back in the day it cost a lot to record.
30:08
Yep. And there was no home recording
30:10
though, like there's a filter even just like a monetary filter
30:15
where not every band got into a studio.
30:19
And then even after that, there was no MP3.
30:22
So you pretty much had to produce a physical copy of
30:26
something. So that was an extra cost
30:28
barrier to actually getting your music into the world.
30:31
But now you can just record in your living room with without a
30:35
band and and just just put it on band Cam on Spotify.
30:39
I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
30:41
I think it's, it's cool, but there's just a lot of stuff.
30:44
It's kind of hard to keep keep on top of how many bands there
30:47
are nowadays, but it's. Also cool because like we can
30:52
have a moment where where kids might not technically you're
30:59
accessible to to people now because because of shit like
31:02
Spotify, like whereas, you know, 99, two thousand or whatever,
31:06
like you were, you know, but you had to know the right people and
31:10
well, that's the. Thing with with young, like, I
31:12
think it's like Jen Gen. Z Gen. what, like whatever,
31:16
whatever we're at right now, I'm not sure where we're at, but
31:20
they, they don't seem to have kind of distinctions based on
31:24
like time periods, like everything is here now.
31:28
You know, that's where like on Stranger Things, that Kate Bush
31:33
song got huge because they're because younger people are just
31:35
like, that's a cool song. Yeah, and that that can happen
31:39
now. Like, do you see old songs be
31:42
resurrected all the time just for different reasons, like that
31:45
Fleetwood Mac song because that guy was running a skateboard,
31:47
drinking high sea or whatever fruit punch.
31:51
But things just come out of the woodwork now for different
31:53
reasons. It's it's it's interesting.
31:56
It's really interesting. Like, Never Let Me Down Again is
32:00
huge now because of The Last of Us TV show.
32:03
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:06
That, that one. I, I, yeah.
32:08
That that show's really good. So Brian, was there anything you
32:13
you said there were a couple of that that you wouldn't have put
32:15
on? Was there anything else that you
32:17
would have put on that we didn't mention?
32:19
Absolutely. I like the usual bad.
32:24
I was close, yeah, I had that. Yeah.
32:27
I. Really.
32:28
I mean, that's like kind of a sleeper.
32:30
Like I don't know if it wasn't like one of the songs where
32:33
people were really wanting us to play it live, but I think we
32:38
played it. We played it pretty, pretty deep
32:40
into length our run. But I really like that song.
32:43
I really like Antiseptic. I forget what that was on.
32:50
I think it was on this EP that we did with this band called
32:53
Creedence Puddle from Australia. But I really like Antiseptic and
32:58
I'm surprised Pocket Bomb didn't made it make it on.
33:01
That wasn't close, you know. That was a 2 as well, yeah.
33:04
I I picked that one, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that was like
33:07
usually our set ender. That's the last song we ever
33:09
played. Oh.
33:10
Shit. Well.
33:11
Yeah. That's some trivia for you.
33:14
I think I was. At your, I think I was at your
33:16
second to last show ever at the Georgia Tech in Atlanta.
33:18
Was that the next? Was that?
33:20
No, we played. We played a last show in Vero
33:23
Beach at the Heritage Center. I was that Atlanta.
33:28
Show on that same tour, yeah, yeah, before that, that was.
33:32
That was probably one of the last, like, tour shows.
33:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we did the last two shows.
33:36
It was, I don't know if it was back-to-back night, some I don't
33:40
remember, but it was Vero Beach, the Heritage Center and then in
33:43
Gainesville. Yeah, I think.
33:44
That I think one of them is at least one of them is on YouTube.
33:46
I've watched it a few times. Yeah, that's.
33:48
The Market Street Gainesville one.
33:49
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Peter, were you that one?
33:54
No, I was just at the Heritage Center 1.
33:56
Oh, that's. What I Oh yeah, the Heritage
33:57
Center one. Yeah, that's what I was
33:58
wondering. Yeah, I was definitely there and
34:02
I have. Memories of that show.
34:03
Yeah, I have the set list from our last show too.
34:06
Still, I have like a little dorky little scrapbook because I
34:10
had all these Flyers and stuff. So I kind of like went like, you
34:14
know, like full mom mode and made the scrapbook with all the
34:18
discount Flyers. I don't.
34:19
Know man have. You guys ever talked about
34:21
reissuing that stuff? We did a short run of Half
34:26
Fiction with a small label from Atlanta.
34:29
We did like 1000 and they sold out pretty quickly.
34:32
I mean, we have the rights to vinyl and we have the rights to
34:40
cassette. We probably have rights to
34:43
everything. It's kind of confusing because
34:45
there's a contract. But I mean, I don't know, it's
34:49
just so long ago and it's always been just advice to any bands.
34:54
Don't ever, don't ever put records out on a on the label
34:58
that's owned by a lawyer. Yeah, like, I don't think New
35:01
American Dream lasted very long. No, no, no.
35:03
And then the, the, the, the guy Tim, that we worked with for
35:08
years and years, he was part of it.
35:10
He ended up having to leave the label and we were, and that's
35:13
when things kind of got strange. So, but hopefully we can get it.
35:19
You know, I was hoping that we can get it back on Apple at
35:22
least because I cancelled my Spotify subscription and now I
35:25
have Apple. So maybe maybe I can we can call
35:30
write them and figure out how to get it back on there.
35:32
We'll see, I think. There's something to what John
35:34
was saying about a band camp, too.
35:36
Like if, if you can figure out like the legalities of that I
35:40
mean. If we don't, if we don't charge
35:42
anything, I think I think we're fine.
35:44
Pay what you? Want.
35:45
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
35:46
I mean, I mean, that's definitely an option.
35:48
What about? YouTube.
35:49
Do you guys have an official YouTube channel?
35:51
No, no. But people have put everything
35:53
up on YouTube. A lot of the stuff, you can hear
35:56
it up there, but it's funny, like everything now.
36:01
Every band has videos because it's so easy to do it, but
36:06
there's not like there's not a lot of footage of US playing.
36:10
They might exist out there in the world somewhere on someone's
36:13
like handheld VHS camera. God, it makes this sound so.
36:18
I'm holding, I'm holding a copy of I Like to Hang Out on VHS
36:22
right now that has you guys on it.
36:23
Oh yeah. That one, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:25
But it's, it's so strange. Like, I don't feel like an old
36:28
man, but when you're talking about technology and we broke up
36:32
in 2000 and there wasn't even social media then, Yeah, man,
36:37
nothing. I just.
36:39
Found just now a discount live at Chaos Record Store, Tampa, FL
36:44
1998. Yep.
36:45
Yep, I've seen that, that video, yeah, at four O3 chaos.
36:51
No, man, like to the to your point, like it I'm I'm 42, so
36:56
it's not yeah, yeah, it's not like I'm ancient, but like we're
37:00
that generation that that didn't have cell phones, but like we
37:04
were there at the birth of the technology too.
37:07
Yeah, so it's like to your I, I I think about, so I didn't start
37:13
a band until I think 01, but I, I think about like all that's
37:18
available to bands out. And I'm not, you know, jealous
37:20
or even crotchety about it, but I am I there is a part of me
37:24
that's going man. Like, if I would have had that
37:26
then like my, my the biggest band I was in broke up in Oh
37:34
five Yeah is like basically like as Myspace is taking off and
37:39
it's like, man, like we would have had this thing that could
37:42
have really helped our fucking band and we broke up.
37:46
Yeah, I. Kind of prefer it how how we did
37:48
it because, you know, we went on all these tours, we toured like
37:53
a few years, at least like 6 to 8 months a year.
37:57
And I can't imagine being a van with everybody having cell
38:02
phones in their hands. Oh yeah.
38:05
What a point. It's just the experience was
38:08
you're just in the van. You're either reading a book,
38:10
you are listening to the same music.
38:12
Because it's not like you had Walkman.
38:14
Yeah, really. I mean, you could have had a
38:15
cassette Walkman or a disk man or something like that.
38:19
But for the most part, everybody had to listen to the same music.
38:21
Everybody had to hang out on those like 8 hour or 10 hour
38:25
drives and it just added to the like the camaraderie and just
38:29
added to the whole experience, man.
38:32
That great. I didn't even think of that.
38:35
Like it. It's bad enough now, like I do
38:39
podcasts and there's two obviously, he says on a podcast.
38:46
I hate them. But there was there's another
38:49
one I do that some friends of mine come over and like in
38:53
between shows like we're doing, we do our first show and then as
38:57
I'm setting up to do the second show, instead of like, I don't
39:00
know, engaging in me and like talking about shit.
39:02
They both immediately stare at their phones.
39:05
I'm like, oh, I, I look at. My phone all day long.
39:08
All day long. And I'm just like, even
39:09
sometimes I catch myself. I'm like, what am I doing?
39:12
Like you're just looking at loops of garbage over and over
39:15
again that you don't care about, but yet you're compelled.
39:17
Like, they really have this dopamine thing figured out.
39:20
Yeah. Man, it's it's it's.
39:23
Not great, it's not. Great.
39:25
It's not great. That's not great.
39:27
That's the. That's the name of this episode.
39:29
It's not great, but yeah, man, like I am there is a twinge
39:38
jealousy here hearing hearing that that experience, because
39:42
96, obviously we're roughly the same age.
39:44
I'm I was 16. Yeah, I'm. 44 yeah, yeah, so.
39:47
I was, yeah, 96. I'm 16.
39:53
It sucks to find out like the the infrastructure was here in
39:58
Hampton. Like I I could have done
40:00
something, but I didn't think to fucking do something.
40:03
I didn't think, hey, man, let's you know, get out.
40:05
And like I was in a little garage band.
40:08
But yeah, I never thought, hey, man, let's like go play out at
40:13
shows. Let's let's try and record a
40:15
record Like it it was. All about the scene, the Florida
40:19
scene at that time, like bands helped each other out, fans took
40:23
each other on tour. Like, you know, we, we took one
40:27
of our first tours we took as friends rust out and then they
40:30
got popular in Europe. They took us the to Europe with
40:34
them. We, you know, met Hot Water
40:36
Music and then we went to Europe with them.
40:40
We did the US with them. Like, you know, it's just a
40:44
really good scene where bands helped each other out and
40:47
everybody, even though they were a lot of different kinds of
40:49
music going on, it was super supportive.
40:52
It was a it was, it was a great time to be in a band in in
40:56
Florida at that time. So I want to juxtapose this and,
41:00
you know, if we're, we're getting to that time probably
41:03
where everybody probably wants me to shut the fuck up, but I,
41:07
I, you're going to have to. Edit like 99% of this
41:09
conversation out. I wanted to ask because you, you
41:14
mentioned that you were kind of jamming with the boys
41:17
rehearsing. Well, not rehearsing, but you
41:19
know, practicing, which there is a distinct difference to those
41:23
who are saying, isn't that the same thing?
41:24
No, it is not. Are you?
41:30
So are you just kind of like practicing on discount stuff or
41:34
is there something else that you guys are kind of fucking around
41:37
with or like we we've. Discussed we, we've, so to this
41:40
point, we've just done discount stuff, but Todd and Bill and I
41:45
are interested in maybe coming up with some new ideas.
41:48
Yeah, yeah. We, we, we've discussed it next.
41:51
I think we're due next time we're going to go meet Bill in
41:53
DC. So we're kind of going to all of
41:57
all of our, our places. So we'll, we'll meet Bill and go
42:01
practice at his practice space next.
42:03
And yeah, yeah, it's been, it's been fun.
42:05
Just, you know, just hanging out playing the old song.
42:08
You can go on a little. Mini tour.
42:09
Yeah, yeah. Just us three with no vocals.
42:14
That'll be real fun. I mean, you never know.
42:21
Since Tibet United's only had one record and Monikers only had
42:23
one record, because we we would do them too, yeah.
42:27
Yeah, Yeah. I mean Monica's was a a real fun
42:30
time. That was when I kind of like I
42:32
got back from Europe when I was living there for a while and
42:35
kind of rediscovering my roots. And there was again, there was a
42:39
fun scene going on in in that kind of underground pop punk at
42:43
that time. And like you did it kind of
42:46
twice. It was.
42:47
It was a lot of fun. And and stolen parts only has
42:50
the 17 inch right stolen. Parts has 27 inch, we have a
42:55
bunch of teenage Softies which is Mark from Moniker's other
42:59
band, and then we have our own 7 inch.
43:02
And my, my little band, we were, we were friends with Ladderman.
43:05
So I knew those guys. Yeah, yeah.
43:06
Yeah. Pat, Pat.
43:07
Well, I was in a band, the terrible name.
43:10
Now it has not aged well. I was in a band with called
43:13
Young Ladies with Pat from Ladderman.
43:17
Yeah, yeah. And we did an album and we did a
43:20
7 inch as well. 7 inch came out on Dead, Dead broke records like
43:23
that was like 2018 or something. 2017, yes.
43:27
Yeah, I. Have to.
43:28
Check that out. All right, last questions,
43:31
because we, we just got on you 'cause you said, you said a bad
43:35
band name. I want to bounce some band names
43:38
off the group here. I'll, I'll start with two that I
43:41
was in the one that I, I was referring to earlier.
43:45
We were called stale stale. I mean, Discount's a pretty
43:49
terrible bad name when you think about it.
43:51
It's pretty. Ungoogleable.
43:53
Yeah, yeah. It's a bad, bad band name.
43:55
I mean, it was just, you know, it just kind of stuck with us.
43:59
But it, it, it worked, it was fine.
44:03
But every sales it's it's kind of it reminds me of like that
44:08
band Stained, which isn't great. I I understand, but like yes,
44:15
strangely enough, like we actually we did cover.
44:19
I fucking can't remember it. Can't can't believe was the name
44:22
of the song. I think.
44:23
All right, OK. And you know, there was there
44:27
was an era in my life that I liked stained.
44:31
That's OK. We were all young ones.
44:33
We were. All young ones.
44:34
That's a great way to put it. The follow up band to that was
44:40
me and the bass player. He moved over to drums and we
44:43
were called Great American Headache, which, you know,
44:47
actually I'll let, I'll let you guys pick it apart.
44:51
I mean, I need bands with the word American.
44:53
Band names with the word American.
44:55
American steel is good, yeah. Absolutely.
44:59
I don't know if there's many other bands, all American
45:02
Rejects, though. I'm not they're they're they
45:04
were not a bad, terrible band for like that new wave of kind
45:07
of like radio pop punk, the early radio pop punk.
45:11
They were, they were, they were OK.
45:13
They had a couple decent songs hey at least.
45:15
None of your bands had numbers in the name like mine did.
45:17
We were exit 86 and never have. Never have a number in your band
45:21
name. That's always a bad idea.
45:23
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But well, what would be like the
45:26
worst band name of all time according to you guys?
45:31
Oh God, I don't know man. Like we, we brought up stained
45:37
earlier. I mean, yeah.
45:38
Yeah, I mean, Limp Bizkit's not great.
45:41
It's not the best band name ever, no.
45:43
That's it's definitely not, but it there is something about Limp
45:47
Bizkit that is so Limp Bizkit like they're.
45:50
They're Florida too, man. Jacksonville all the way.
45:55
I I think I I stand fast to stain because not only is it
45:58
stained but it's like spelled wrong.
46:01
Yeah, it's spelled weird. Yeah, that's a.
46:03
That's a plus the. Music can overcome the name if
46:06
it's not too bad, that's true. Yeah, yeah.
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Pearl Jam's original name? Mookie Blaylock.
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That was not a good name. Bad Mookie.
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Blaylock isn't Mookie. Isn't he a basketball player or
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something? Yeah, A.
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Point guard. I mean, that was just, that was
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just a cease and desist waiting to happen, you know?
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Absolutely. I mean, Mookie, yeah.
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Yeah, but I mean, that's real bad.
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So I, I, I think they made a good choice of changing their
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name. Yeah, I.
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Mean it seemed to have worked out OK for those those guys
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it's. Funny though, like when you if
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if you say the world word Pearl Jam, remove it from the
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discography, remove it from the band.
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You you hear the 2 words Pearl Jam that that shouldn't work
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either. That that sounds like a terrible
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name. It's a.
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Gross sexual thing that like. No one gets.
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The joke off, yeah. But I mean Pearl.
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Jam's a pretty bad name. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's a pretty bad name. Like it's up there.
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But like, like John said, a good, good band, good music can
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kind of erase the name and then the name becomes something else.
47:14
Because I mean. When you think about, Nirvana is
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an awful name, yeah. Especially considering what they
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sounded like. It's like, yeah.
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Yeah, but it it kind of it it eventually it made sense and
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then it seemed like a good name. Yeah.
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I think like, after a while, Kurt, like, kind of regretted
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naming the band Nirvana. Yeah.
47:34
I'd imagine so, yeah. Like, 'cause I don't know.
47:38
But now to your point, it nothing else would make sense.
47:42
Like I couldn't, you couldn't tell me, you know?
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Hey, this is Kurt and the boys. Yeah.
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Well, also like this is the new. It's another kind of kind of
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connected to the fact that there's so many bands right now.
47:58
Try starting a band. Nowadays you have to go on band
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camp and try to find something that's not taken by anybody in
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the world. It's really hard to find band
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names now, really difficult. Now I'm trying to like think of
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a dumb name but. My my my new band is called Blab
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School Blab. School.
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There's no bands called Blab School.
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We even got blabschool.com. But blab school is a real term.
48:29
It was an early kind of American school where they learned by
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just wrote like reciting of lessons over and over again.
48:36
So they called them blab schools because if you walk by they were
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just like blah, blah, blah, blah.
48:40
Wow. Yeah.
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Well, I. Mean, at least in Yeah, Abraham.
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Lincoln went to a blab school well.
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That's the but we got. We got like the the Facebook
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profile, we got like Instagram, we got like the.com.
48:53
It was. It was a win.
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To me, Abraham Lincoln went to a blab school is track one, yeah.
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Maybe we'll write a song, maybe we maybe that'll be the next
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title that we have coming up. There you go.
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But I really appreciate your time, Ryan.
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This was a blast. I'm I'm it.
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It was great to hear from you and hear that we didn't get it
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wrong and hear that me a new ear.
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It was actually a little on point.
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I I like that. No, Yeah.
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Definitely. I appreciate it.
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Yeah. Good, Good meeting both of you
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and good talking to you again, Peter.
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I'll see you back in Vero sometime.
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Thanks, Ryan. That was great.
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Thanks Ryan all. Right, guys, have a good night.
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All right, you too. All right.
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And I'm going to go ahead. I don't know how.
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I don't know how to hang up. It's OK.
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Hold on, I'm going to hit the space bar.