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11-5 H3: 12th Man Round Table w/ Hugh Millen & Gregg Bell · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: As part of our nonstop coverage of the NFL, this
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  Speaker 1: is Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with the 12th
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  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and Greg Bell. Brought to
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  Speaker 2: He'll be out one more day here as he makes
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  Speaker 2: wishing for that. Chuck, myself, Anderson Hirsch, Christopher Kidd here
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  Speaker 2: filling in. until he returns. And one of the go-to
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  Speaker 2: segments here on Chuck in the Mornings is the 12-man
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  Speaker 2: roundtable on Thursdays from 8 to 9 o'clock. And I
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  Speaker 2: am joined by our chief NFL analyst, chief football analyst,
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  Speaker 2: I should say, and QB1 Hugh Millen, as well as
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  Speaker 2: our beat reporter and Seahawks insider Greg Bell. They joined
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  Speaker 2: the show today. Guys, it was a pretty... Run of
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  Speaker 2: the mill week after a Seahawks loss. OK, what do
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  Speaker 2: we do? Get right week again against the Cardinals. And
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  Speaker 2: then everything kind of goes haywire yesterday when Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 2: announces that Sam Donald will be out for the game
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  Speaker 2: against the Arizona Cardinals. So, Greg, were you taken back
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  Speaker 2: by that as much as everyone else was? It kind
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  Speaker 2: of came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised. He was limping at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the game. I noticed that on one of the
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  Speaker 3: scrambles on the last drive. And they noticed that too.
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  Speaker 3: What they didn't know and what no one knew, and
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  Speaker 3: he didn't tell anyone, was that he cracked a rib
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  Speaker 3: on the second play when they had a free blitzer corner,
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  Speaker 3: number six off the edge for Chicago, blasted him. He
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  Speaker 3: got hit on his right side, twisted, and landed on
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  Speaker 3: his left side. He cracked his rib on that play,
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  Speaker 3: and he played the rest of the game with it.
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  Speaker 3: I've had a cracked rib. It's tough to breathe, let
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  Speaker 3: alone to play an NFL game. So he won a
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  Speaker 3: lot of locker room cachet for that. But McDonald said
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  Speaker 3: yesterday the quad injury is the one that's keeping him out.
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  Speaker 3: And to answer your question, yes, it's a surprise for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see this as a lot of people are
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory that this is a soft benching for a
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  Speaker 3: guy who's second in the NFL with nine interceptions in
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  Speaker 3: those last six games. I don't see that because not
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  Speaker 3: when Drew Locke is still injured as well. Locke hasn't
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  Speaker 3: thrown a pass barely in practice the last few weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like the Friday before the San Francisco game
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  Speaker 3: is when he got hurt. They had a practice outside,
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  Speaker 3: and I bet because McDonald volunteered that it was in
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  Speaker 3: a rain practice outside, that I bet McDonald's regretting practicing
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  Speaker 3: outside in the rain, but he always does it. And
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  Speaker 3: since that time, Locke has barely thrown in practice. So
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  Speaker 3: they're trying to nurse him back this week. He was
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  Speaker 3: limited again. Well, they didn't practice yesterday. They had a walkthrough.
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  Speaker 3: But Jalen Milrow has taken one's reps, and Hugh knows
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  Speaker 3: the number three quarterback should not be taking one's reps
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  Speaker 3: in a regular season week. But he is to try
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  Speaker 3: to govern Locke's reps this week and keep his arm
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  Speaker 3: and his elbow ready for Sunday. So this isn't a
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  Speaker 3: clear cut. Well, let's just say it's an injury for Darnold,
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  Speaker 3: and let's bring Drew Locke in because he won two
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  Speaker 3: games without Darnold playing in September because Locke's also injured.
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  Speaker 3: It's his throwing arm. So that complicates all of that.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing, guys, is the schedule, the way it is,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that Sam Darnold's going to play until
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  Speaker 3: the earliest Thanksgiving weekend at San Francisco. There's no one
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  Speaker 3: saying that he's going to be out two games, but
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  Speaker 3: look at the schedule. They're playing at Arizona this week
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  Speaker 3: on a short week. We know he's not playing there.
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  Speaker 3: And we can talk about the curiosity of declaring a
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  Speaker 3: quarterback out on a Wednesday. It's unusual. But then they
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  Speaker 3: play at Las Vegas before a bye. It would probably
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  Speaker 3: make sense to hold him out, Darnold, so that he
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  Speaker 3: has three weeks to rest before that San Francisco game
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  Speaker 3: rather than bring him back for the Las Vegas game
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  Speaker 3: and just to go on a bye again. And honestly,
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  Speaker 3: they should beat Las Vegas no matter who the quarterback is.
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  Speaker 3: They should beat Arizona no matter who. They could start
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Milrow and they should still win the next two games.
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  Speaker 3: But that looks like the trajectory that Sam Darnold might
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  Speaker 3: be on.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh, when you watched the film from Monday Night Football,
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  Speaker 2: did that look like a quarterback that was playing through
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  Speaker 2: some sort of injury to you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's always a certain degree of agitation in Sam
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  Speaker 4: Darnold's style. For some people, that's problematic. But Peyton Manning
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  Speaker 4: looked pretty agitated. He'd be pumping his legs and he'd
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  Speaker 4: hold that ball high. It wasn't exactly a smooth Joe
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  Speaker 4: Montana style. So I think there's a certain aspect of
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  Speaker 4: that with Darnold. even in the good times. But yes,
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  Speaker 4: I would say there was more. And if you crack
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  Speaker 4: your rib on the first play, there's a term in
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  Speaker 4: football for protection that's called solid protection. It is exactly
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  Speaker 4: seven-man protection, not six, not eight. And that's a pretty
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  Speaker 4: ubiquitous term in football world. That's a solid protection of protection.
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  Speaker 4: The line has the Mike backer, the back has the will,
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  Speaker 4: and depending on the personnel in the formation, either the
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  Speaker 4: tight end or the running back has the Sam. And
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  Speaker 4: then as a quarterback, you know that it's going to
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  Speaker 4: take a secondary person to get you into a hot mode. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they just lined up in an under front,
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  Speaker 4: three deep, three under, America's zone defense. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the front wasn't complicated. And here.
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  Speaker 3: A.J.
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  Speaker 4: Barner just lets the guy come off the edge. If
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  Speaker 4: you're under center and the halfback is eight yards deep
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  Speaker 4: and you go play action, there's no chance that halfback
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  Speaker 4: can go coast to coast from left to right and
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  Speaker 4: come back and get that. Maybe from shotgun where he's
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  Speaker 4: at five yards, not eight, and he's in a position
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  Speaker 4: to scan, but there's no way that Charbonnet could have
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  Speaker 4: got that. It's just a bust, and now all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden you have your quarterback play through a broken rib,
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  Speaker 4: I would advise him, hey, dude, that's cool that you
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  Speaker 4: didn't tell people, but go in the damn tent and
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  Speaker 4: get a shot. They have needles for a reason for
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  Speaker 4: this stuff. But in any event, tough as hell. And
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  Speaker 4: then given the fact that the pressure looked a lot
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  Speaker 4: like the Denver game and less like the Kansas City
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  Speaker 4: game where he had much better protection. So yeah, all
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  Speaker 4: of that Would would add up. That was a hell
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  Speaker 4: of a Bears team. And and I wouldn't I don't
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  Speaker 4: I don't think any quarterback would want to try and
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  Speaker 4: battle them for fifty nine and a half minutes with
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  Speaker 4: a broken rip.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's move forward to the Drew Locke side
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  Speaker 2: of things here, Greg. You mentioned he's not even healthy himself.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any thought process that this could be a
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Milrow start if he's not ready to go? Or
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  Speaker 2: is this like a hey, he's Drew Locke's our guy.
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  Speaker 2: Like he's if he has to play through something, he
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  Speaker 2: will at this point.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think there's absolutely a possibility Jalen Milrow plays
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  Speaker 3: a lot of this game. I took yesterday of Drew Locke,
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  Speaker 3: him saying, well, Locke's not going to get all the
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  Speaker 3: reps and Milrow's going to get some of the reps.
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  Speaker 3: And I took that as a wishful thinking that Drew
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  Speaker 3: Locke's going to be able to play on Sunday. They
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  Speaker 3: don't know just because he hasn't thrown in weeks. And
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  Speaker 3: so they're not going to have him throw on a
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  Speaker 3: Wednesday following a Monday night game. They had a walkthrough yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a real practice. Today will be the only
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  Speaker 3: time during the week they have a full practice before
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  Speaker 3: the game. Tomorrow will be a light tapered down one-two.
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  Speaker 3: Today will tell whether he will be able to withstand
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  Speaker 3: throwing the ball. I mean, if he can't even throw
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  Speaker 3: the ball in a practice, he's not going to play.
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  Speaker 3: And then you go Milrow. And it would be his
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  Speaker 3: first career start. I still think, like I said, they
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  Speaker 3: should win this game with Milrow starting at quarterback. So
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  Speaker 3: I think they would not risk Locke. They wouldn't shoot
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  Speaker 3: him up and make him go out there with a
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  Speaker 3: half-broken or half-messed-up throwing elbow and risk him not being
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  Speaker 3: available for the rest of the year. Having said that,
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  Speaker 3: if he proves that he can throw the ball through
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  Speaker 3: a practice and withstand that and the next day come
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  Speaker 3: back okay, Drew Locke, remember, was the second-rated passer in
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  Speaker 3: the NFL in the two games he played for Sam
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  Speaker 3: Darnold in September, weeks one and two. He did not
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  Speaker 3: turn the ball over in either of the games, which
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  Speaker 3: is probably the most important stat of all. He was
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  Speaker 3: 19-26 for 285 yards and three touchdowns in Glendale against
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  Speaker 3: the same Cardinals team, and the Seahawks won 31-7. And
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  Speaker 3: that was with a running game that was sputtering and inconsistent.
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  Speaker 3: They got yardage, but Jedarian Price ended up leaving halfway
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  Speaker 3: through that game with his own rib injury. So if
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  Speaker 3: Locke is healthy enough to play, they have supreme confidence
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  Speaker 3: that they have maybe the best backup quarterback situation in
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  Speaker 3: the league. And Drew Locke is very motivated to play
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  Speaker 3: because these are his auditions to get a contract next year.
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  Speaker 3: His contract's up after the season. So if it's at
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  Speaker 3: all possible that he can play, he will. On a
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  Speaker 3: Thursday morning after just one walk-through practice since the Monday
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  Speaker 3: night game and him not having thrown in weeks, I
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  Speaker 3: can't answer that question. And I got the impression yesterday
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  Speaker 3: they can't either. I saw Sam Darnold walking through the
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  Speaker 3: building yesterday. He had an electrical stimulation machine on his
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  Speaker 3: right leg with a black neoprene wrap across the entire
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  Speaker 3: length of his leg. So it's a right quad issue
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  Speaker 3: that they're already attacking and working on. And rehab-wise, that's
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  Speaker 3: what McDonald said is keeping him out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's for now operate under the assumption that Drew Locke
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  Speaker 2: is starting Hugh, unless we hear something differently, of course.
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  Speaker 2: For a guy that had success against the Cardinals earlier
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  Speaker 2: this year, this seems like another I guess you could
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  Speaker 2: say soft landing for him to come back how much
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  Speaker 2: of where he how much success he had earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the year was because he was facing one of the
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  Speaker 2: worst defenses that the Seahawks have faced throughout their entire
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  Speaker 2: schedule in 2026.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's certainly a factor. But if you throw on
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  Speaker 4: the tape, he made a lot of impressive throws. And
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  Speaker 4: he was throwing to the sideline on a couple third downs,
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  Speaker 4: just ripping it with pressure in front of him. So
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to detract from his game too much.
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  Speaker 4: But I think there's a lot of differences for him
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  Speaker 4: compared to those first two weeks. First of all, coming
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  Speaker 4: off of training camp, remember that was early September. That
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  Speaker 4: was two months ago. You're right on the mere days
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  Speaker 4: after training camp. a period of time when the backup gets,
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  Speaker 4: in most cases, just as many reps as the starter.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the third guy doesn't get as many as the second,
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  Speaker 4: but the number two, I don't want to say as
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  Speaker 4: many because if it's one less, then I'm a liar,
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  Speaker 4: but close to as many. So he was fresh in
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  Speaker 4: terms of his timing working in his offense. Now, he
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  Speaker 4: would be somewhat fresh being the scout team quarterback going against–
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  Speaker 4: the number one defense every week simulating the opponent quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: But with this elbow strain, now his timing's off. How
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  Speaker 4: is he feeling physically? How is he feeling mentally? These
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  Speaker 4: are no joke. Terry Bradshaw ended his career with that.
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  Speaker 4: He missed the first 14 games in 1983, then played one,
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  Speaker 4: then retired. It ended his career. Joe Montana missed two years,
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  Speaker 4: 31 straight games. That's what lost his job, and he
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  Speaker 4: had to go to Kansas City. Ben Roethlisberger missed the
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  Speaker 4: final 14 games of 2019. Just with these flexor tendon injuries,
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  Speaker 4: Mike McConnell references a rainy day. The leather saturates. That's
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  Speaker 4: a 15-ounce football that can get quickly, within 10 minutes,
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  Speaker 4: be over 20 ounces. I don't know exactly how heavy
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  Speaker 4: the balls were, but the liner, which is essentially canvas,
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  Speaker 4: it absorbs. And so you've got a heavier ball. He's
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  Speaker 4: squeezing it tighter. And the combination of those two things
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  Speaker 4: lead to this elbow that can be very persistent. And
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  Speaker 4: the three quarterbacks I just cited, as you know off
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  Speaker 4: the top of your head, that's 10 Super Bowl championships
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  Speaker 4: right there. So it's been a problem for quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 4: the past. I don't know exactly how much it is,
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  Speaker 4: but you can't shoot it up. You can shoot up
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  Speaker 4: a broken rib, but you can't. you can't shoot up
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  Speaker 4: the inner elbow because then you'll tear it right off
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  Speaker 4: the bone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Literally.
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  Speaker 4: And then you're buying a year or two rehab. So
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  Speaker 4: this is a concern. And you've got a Cardinal team that, yes,
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  Speaker 4: they're a bottom third of the league. You want to
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  Speaker 4: say bottom quarter of the league. But they might have
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of a lift from Gardner Minshew and
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  Speaker 4: his unique style and what they did at Dallas last
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure if we were doing Dallas talk
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  Speaker 4: radio a week ago, we would have pooh-poohed the Cardinals
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  Speaker 4: as well. So, no, I would like to think that
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  Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks are better than Dallas Cowboys, certainly defensively. But
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  Speaker 4: at any event, this quarterback situation, Greg's right. They should
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  Speaker 4: be able to navigate two wins, and then they get
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  Speaker 4: a bye. And then if they can be healthy, the
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  Speaker 4: bye precedes the 49er game. The 49ers are playing the
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  Speaker 4: Vikings on that week, and they should be okay. But
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  Speaker 4: it's not going to be okay until we see it okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Anders, I get the sense, Anders, that even if Locke plays,
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  Speaker 3: Milrow may play. And we may see the package of
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  Speaker 3: plays that we were starting to see at the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of last season until they scrapped it when he fumbled
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  Speaker 3: against Tampa Bay 13 months ago and he never played again.
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  Speaker 3: But not just to run. I can see Monroe getting
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  Speaker 3: series of entire possessions in this game, especially if Locke
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  Speaker 3: is not 100%. This is why you draft and develop guys, right?
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  Speaker 3: And eventually you need to see what he has. And
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  Speaker 3: not just in August in Lambeau Field against fourth stringers
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  Speaker 3: and 7-11 clerks. You need to see if this is
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  Speaker 3: your guy of the future. Because as we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: many times, they're at a crossroads here. Locke's contract's ending.
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  Speaker 3: And is anyone in the Seahawks front office, including John Schneider,
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  Speaker 3: running to sign up to a $ 50 million a year
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  Speaker 3: contract for Sam Donal right now beyond 2027? I'd say
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  Speaker 3: the answer is no. So they've got choices to make.
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  Speaker 3: It's no real part of that decision making or not.
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  Speaker 3: They got to find that out. I submit they should
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  Speaker 3: find that out on Sunday so that Drew Locke doesn't
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  Speaker 3: take every snap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think either way, it seems like you're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to have a good run game. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to lean on that more than you have recently,
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  Speaker 2: to be completely honest. And one of the positive aspects
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  Speaker 2: of that run game, or at least on the surface, optically,
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  Speaker 2: a positive reinforcement, so to speak, of that run game
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  Speaker 2: would be the addition of Quentin Nelson, Greg. What were
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  Speaker 2: the first impressions of him in the building after his
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  Speaker 2: first game on Monday Night Football?
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  Speaker 3: That he's a pro, that they were impressed in how
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  Speaker 3: much he assimilated of the offense so quickly, that actually
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  Speaker 3: he himself said that he had a subpar game, especially
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  Speaker 3: in pass protection. He counts subpar as one quarterback hit allowed.
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  Speaker 3: In the first half, it was, let's see, they were
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  Speaker 3: going right to left, so that would have been in
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  Speaker 3: the first quarter, if I'm not mistaken. Grady Jarrett, the
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  Speaker 3: defensive tackle for the Bears– The second quarter, perhaps? I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember. It was in the first half.
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  Speaker 4: Going left to right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, whatever. It was in the first half. Grady Jarrett,
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  Speaker 3: it was a stretch outside wide zone play to the right.
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  Speaker 3: And Nelson put Grady Jarrett on his face, chest first
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  Speaker 3: into the ground, and then fell on him and pinned him.
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  Speaker 3: I was watching through the binoculars most of Nelson's plays
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  Speaker 3: in the first half. And the two of them started
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  Speaker 3: jawing at each other. Grady didn't appreciate the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Nelson pinned him and then landed on top of him.
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  Speaker 3: On the next play, it was a pass, and it
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  Speaker 3: was a straight drop back, and Grady Jarrett beat Nelson
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  Speaker 3: with a quick inside move and got to the quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: and Darnold tried to escape to the left. He ended
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  Speaker 3: up throwing a rushed incompletion, and Grady Jarrett got a
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  Speaker 3: quarterback hit. And after the game, Nelson talked about that play.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I cannot allow my quarterback to get hit,
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  Speaker 3: not once. This guy's renowned for not giving up sacks
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  Speaker 3: for entire seasons, and he was mad at himself for
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  Speaker 3: giving up a quarterback hit in the first half of
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  Speaker 3: his first game. five days after he arrived in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Much has been made about the fact they ran 17
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  Speaker 3: running plays to their running backs against the Bears, and
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  Speaker 3: only four of them were to the left side, true
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  Speaker 3: left side plays. And Hugh mentioned on Monday how vital
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  Speaker 3: the backside block is on wide zone, and they were
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  Speaker 3: counting on Nelson to be the backside seal on a
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  Speaker 3: wide zone play to the right, and that's why they
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  Speaker 3: went 13 or 17 times to the right. The problem,
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  Speaker 3: of course, with that is that the frontside blocks didn't
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  Speaker 3: create the lanes to get the runner back anything but
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  Speaker 3: people waiting on them at the line of scrimmage. So
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  Speaker 3: will Brian Fleury's run game be more balanced against Arizona
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  Speaker 3: to run both left and right and see what outside
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  Speaker 3: zone looks like behind and to the side of Quentin
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  Speaker 3: Nelson instead of the backside? But most importantly, are they
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  Speaker 3: going to have drives longer than three damn plays? Three
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  Speaker 3: of their first five drives were three and outs, and
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  Speaker 3: the fourth one was a four-play drive. You can't get
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: the run game going when you only have three plays
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: every 20 minutes of real-life action. And that was the
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: biggest problem. Their failure on first down meant that he
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: would go away from run to pass on second and third.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: And third and long, Sam Darnold is an average at
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: best subpar most times quarterback. You could say that about
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of quarterbacks. But Sam Darnold right now is
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: not built to take you out of third and nine
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and third and eleven. And that's the biggest problem for
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks offense is they need a running game that
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the defense honors so that they don't come after the
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: quarterback and rip his head off on third and nine.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: They need third and three and third and two. The
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: anomaly is against Kansas City, they converted 10 of their
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: first 12 third downs, and some of them were long.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: The Seahawks have the longest third downs in the league
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: right now, a distance. So can they cut that down?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Can they make it third and three so that Fleury
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: has his entire playbook? Look, we can have a whole
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: segment or a whole show on Brian Fleury, but I'm
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: saying that Fleury has got one hand tied behind his back,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: maybe a hand and a half, one arm tied behind
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: his back, because he has no running game. The running
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: back that they drafted to replace Walker has been injured
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: for more than a month, and he's got a quarterback
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: who's throwing interceptions when it's third and long, and he's
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: got an offense that's only getting three and out. So
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: let's see Price for an extended period of time, to me,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: before you know what Brian Fleury is his offensive coordinator.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Let's see Price do what they drafted him to do
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: in the first round. I asked yesterday, is Price's limitations
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and constraints off this week? He definitely had them. He
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: liked 48% of the snaps against the Bears, only 10 carries.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And McDonald said yes. I said significantly less than last week?
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: He said yes, significantly. So if the constraints are off
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: of Price significantly, he should get the ball 20 times
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: against Arizona, maybe more. And then let's see what that
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: looks like. Does he fumble? Is it third and three
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: because you've gotten Price the ball on the first two downs?
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I'd say the jury's way still out on Brian Fleury. Yep.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot to unpack there, a lot of topics.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Let me start with the play with Jarrett. Jarrett had,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: at the onset of that play, a kind of awkward
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: lunge or stumble into Nelson's thighs and knee area, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Nelson kind of jumped on his back. So I wouldn't
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: describe that as a pin. As for the 17 runs
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: to running backs, every running play has a direction to it,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: a right or a left, and generally it's even numbers
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: to the right, odd numbers to the left. The Seahawks
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: ran 10 plays straight, that were called in the huddle
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: they are right and they got 44 yards out of
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: that 4.4 they ran seven plays that were huddle call
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: to the left and they got 17 yards that two
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: that's 2.4 so they were at least by those numbers
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: they were better running to the right of the gains
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: that were four yards or more to the left there
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: was one to the right there was five out of
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: ten as opposed to one out of seven. Now, there
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: was one play, a draw, the Helani, that went for
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: nine yards. You would call that draw a left because
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: the back is aligned on the left, but they would
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: have blocked it exactly the same whether he was aligned
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: to the right or left. So if you want to
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: call that a neutral play, you can. Furthermore, in the
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: first half, because this is really a commentary about play calling,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: there were two RPOs. that were both called inside zone
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: to the left. Both of them went to Jackson Smith
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and Jake, but one for 21 yards, one for 16 yards.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: That's a called play from that. Now, let me give
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: you some examples because there was only four runs that
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: had nine yards or more. I already mentioned the draw.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I'll leave that out. But there was a stretch right
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: cut back off of the B-gap. The B-gap is the
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: left butt cheek of Quentin Nelson. That got nine yards.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: There was an inside zone to the right that Quentin
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Nelson was so physical in his double team with the
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: center that he knocked down both, whoever number 50 is,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: for the Bears and Sundell, and then he went and
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: he pancaked the safety. Quentin Nelson. And that cut back
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to the backside on the left. Um, there, and then
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the other nine, there was a stretch, right. Um, that, uh,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: that went for nine yards and it did not cut back. Now,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: why did they run it to the right there? Well,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: the ball's on the left. Maybe it was to the field.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Number 44 for the Bears played it terrible. Maybe they
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: were attacking 44. Maybe they like the fact that Abe Lucas,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: the right tackle, and and A.J. Barner have more cohesion
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: to the right because they have the double team there.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Maybe because the left tackle, Charles Cross, wasn't in there,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: they didn't want to run some plays to the left
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: until you get Quentin Nelson with Josh Jones, a cohesion there,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: and a synergy and cohesion with Charles Cross when he
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: gets back. There's a lot of reasons why. why you
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: would run to the right and not to the left.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I got cut off on that. But the question had been,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: it wasn't just wide zone. It was wide to the
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: right at all. And certainly on the inside zone. I
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: played for the Broncos. Alex Gibbs was the offensive line.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: He's considered the godfather of the wide zone. I sat
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: in those meetings, the install. He always said the biggest
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: plays are on the cutbacks. Biggest plays are on the cutbacks.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: And Terrell Davis proved it and all the other running
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: backs that proved it. So I think, A, they called
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: a lot more to the left than just four, as
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I've already illustrated the numbers, and they had more production
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: going to the right. And there's a myriad of reasons
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: other than the backside cutoff why you would run one
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: direction or another.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think either way you're going to have to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: get more just some sort of production in general out
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: of the running game, especially considering the quarterback situation that
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks are facing coming into the game against the Cardinals.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll take a quick break. We'll come back.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Let's look to the Cardinals facing Gardner Minshew instead of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett. Can this defense finally keep teams out of
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the end zone when they get inside the 20? We'll
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: find out next. We'll ask you and Greg. Sports Radio
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: 93.3 KGRFM. Welcome back to the 12th Man Roundtable. I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Chuck in the morning. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: got Humo and Greg Bell with me as we are
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: previewing a matchup between the Seahawks and Cardinals on Sunday afternoon.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Looks like it's going to be Drew Locke, maybe some
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Jalen Milrow as well, versus Gardner Minshew instead of Jacoby
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Brissett versus Sam Donald, which we may have expected about
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: 10 days ago at this time. Uh, Greg, what's the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: feeling in the building with, uh, you know, this next game?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Do they, they absolutely need a bounce back game here,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: but this could also be seen as a trap game too.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: If you're kind of looking to, uh, kind.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Of get right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: So to speak after a couple of big emotional games between, uh,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: winning against the chiefs and then a loss against the bears. Well,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: how are the Seahawks taking this game in terms of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: getting prepared against the Cardinals on Sunday?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I see why the trap game for those on
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: the outside and fans and analysts maybe, but, The Seahawks
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: have so many things wrong inside their own building they're
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: trying to fix that they could be playing anyone. It
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. The opponent at this point doesn't matter. They've
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: got to fix the run game. They weren't happy how
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: they played defensively. The last 17 times offenses have been
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: in the red zone against Seattle, they've scored 15 touchdowns.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Those are four-point plays every time. And two or three
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: four-point plays determine a game. That's 12 points. So... There's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a lot to fix on both sides of the ball.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Getting someone else involved besides Smith and Jigba in the
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: pass game. Three new offensive linemen in new spots. The
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: run game we've already talked about. Getting Price back in.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Now you get a backup quarterback and maybe a third-team
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: quarterback who's taking one reps in practice. I mean, they
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: could be playing Texas Western. It wouldn't matter. It's about
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: them this week. Minshew is a dimension that they didn't
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: have to worry about week two. He has the ability
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to just make plays out of nothing. A lot of
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: sandlot playground. Well, we've all seen it since he's been
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: in Pullman. And this is a dimension. Brissette's a mobile quarterback,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: but still a pro-style quarterback who wants to stay in
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the pocket as long as he can and throw the ball. Brissette,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: to me, looked really poor in Week 2 down in Phoenix.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I think this is a net loss for the Seattle
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to get Gardner Minshew instead of Jacoby Brissette. What they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: talking about down in Arizona is also a lack of
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: a running game. Jeremiah Love has just went on injured reserve.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: He's got a high ankle sprain. He's going to miss
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: at least a month. That just happened a couple days ago.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Their third string running back's out with a concussion. So
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: you're going to get the former Atlanta Falcon, Tyler Algier,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: who's going to get mostly all the carries. And he's
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: a good back. He can catch the ball and run
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: it after the catch. They need to help Minshew by
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: having a running game with Algier. And of course, that's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: what Seattle's plan is to make, stop the run and
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: make it long third downs. But like we said at
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: the top, guys, this team, this is their chance now
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: to get to five and three before the bye. These
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: are two very winnable games, no matter who your quarterback
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: is and I'm not sure that the opponent is as
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: material as in some weeks this week. Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So he, let's talk about that red zone defense. Cause that's,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I think a big concern. If there is one kind
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: of blemish on what this defense has done this year,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: it's definitely on that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: And it'd be six and four, right?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Six and four going into that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: So, but yeah, the red zone defense, that's there, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: for a team that is widely thought of and I've,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: and I believe they believe in their own building that
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: they're the best defense in the NFL. They can't be
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: 32nd in any category, let alone something as vital as that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Greg's exactly right that they have to fix what needs fixing. Now, defense,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: there's less to fix. I still think that there could
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: be a little bit of pass rush. I think when
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: they're getting the ball moved on them. It just feels
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: like they, they don't have the heat on the court. They're,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: they're not making life miserable for quarterbacks frequently enough. Um,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: and so that, that may be something they're directing their
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: attention to, but offensively they got to come off the ball,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: whether they're running inside zone, outside zone gap scheme, whatever
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: they're going to do. Uh, so they've, they've got to
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: be better than that. And then, and then you can't
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: have protection bus like they've had you, Sam Darnold has
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: two injuries now that he's missing games, one against the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Patriots because Helani can't make a block, and then now
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: he gets smoked. on the first pass of the game
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: on Monday Night Football because we can't coordinate a pass protection.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: In the first five plays, pass plays of the game,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I could freeze the tape, the end zone copy, show
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you from Sam Donald's perspective, You got two receivers stacked
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: up identical right on him. If there was long shadows,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: they would touch each other. And that can't happen. That
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: happened early in the game. They had three different checkdowns,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: one to Barner, one to Price, and what was the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: third one?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: There were three checkdowns where they weren't even on the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: same page as to where they're going to be on
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: a checkdown. You get incomplete. Oh, it was Torrey Horton.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: where they're not even on the same page on checkouts.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: And you're getting incompletions and punting the football because you
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: can't check the ball down. And on the case of Barner,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: that was third and five. There's just too much experience.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: They have the nice bones in two-wheel routes they set up.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to go into the details. They get
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: a Jadarian Price wheel route, and they get a Cooper
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Cup wheel route. but they set it up with the
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: formations that's going to induce the coverage to that side
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: of the field that they don't want to go against.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: And so you say, wait a minute, it's a nice idea,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: but how you structured the formation with the personnel doesn't
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: make sense. So I think that Brian Flory is, I
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: don't want to say on blast, but I think my
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: hunch would tell me that there's some growing frustration there.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: because Mike McDonald sees the same tape I see. Um,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: and so, uh, and, and we know he gets, he
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: gets involved. So I think Brian Flory, we talk about
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks and, and other people playing for their job. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: think over the last remainder of this season, if you
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: ask me right now, bet money, enough money that made
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: me nervous. Would I bet that Brian Flory will be retained?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I think it's more likely than not. He will be
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: the coordinator for 2027, but I don't think it's a certainty.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: And I think that if they keep sputtering here offensively,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: if they don't get this fixed, Brian Flory is going
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: to be one and done, just like Ryan Grubb, in
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: my opinion.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Super quick, Greg, what's the status of Cheninuosu? Because I
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: think that adds an extra element to their run defense
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: as well, specifically.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Well, he didn't play an injury from the previous week.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And again, they weren't on the field yesterday, other than
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: for a walkthrough indoors. So there's no gauging of what
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: guys are coming out of. I'll know more about that today. Okay.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And even today, Nwosu is a guy that could not
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: practice all week and still possibly play this weekend. Still
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: to be determined on that. Same with Leonard Williams.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Same with Rashid Shaheed.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Shaheed. Reading between the tea leaves about Shahid knee issue,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: it didn't sound like a one-week thing to me. Okay.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Sounds good.
• 32:46
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• 32:47
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• 32:50
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  Speaker 2: This is Chuck in the mornings. Of course, you're not
• 33:36
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• 33:39
  Speaker 2: back most likely tomorrow, so you'll hear from him leading
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: into a weekend in which the Seahawks play the Cardinals.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So as we always do on the final segment of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: our 12th Man Roundtable, we get Greg Bell's keys, Christopher
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Kidd's score, since he's filling in kind of in the
• 33:53
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• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Chuck Powell role, and then we'll get Hugh's final thoughts.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So Greg, What's your key to victory against the Arizona
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Cardinals on Sunday?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: The Seahawks stopping Algier on defense. I don't see Gardner
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Minshew marching the Cardinals up and down the field for
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: multiple touchdowns against Mike McDonald's defense. And then getting Jared
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Arian Price into the role and into the mode that
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: they drafted him to do. Give Brian Fleury the He's
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: got the keys to this, they think, Porsche in the garage,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and he's been in the garage all season, at least
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: the last five weeks of it. So let's see what
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: this offense looks like with Price getting 20 carries or
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: 20 touches. To me, that's the key because they need
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: to know if the constraints really are off Price. They
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: need to know what this offense looks like with the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: guy they drafted to be Kenneth Walker's replacement. And here
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: we are in November, and we don't know that yet.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: So those are the two keys. Stop Algier to make
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: it third and long for Minshew. Let's see Price go
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: unchecked and go his full Price experience in this offense
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: and what that looks like. I think the Seahawks win 17-0.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I don't see the Cardinals scoring at all unless they
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: get a turnover. Wow, okay.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Greg's keying in on the running game. Christopher, where are
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you going with this score? I was thinking the same thing,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: but I'll say some field goals, Greg. Geez, man, they
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: can't kick on field goals.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I'll give them one, Greg, 17.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I'll give them 20.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Six. Seahawks 20, Cardinals six.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: All right, Hugh, what's your final thoughts?
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Well, watching Gardner Minshew through the years, you know, he's
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: always kind of like a comet. You know, he burns bright,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: but not for very long. And, I mean, he's had
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: a hell of a career. He's made a lot of money.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: He's done a lot of good things. And you watch
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: that in that game against Dallas, in the final two
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  Speaker 4: minutes and 16 seconds, he had four completions missing. where
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the ball was in the air 10 yards or more.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: He has a corner out. That was more scheming and
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: bad defense, wide open Trey McBride for 14 yards. But
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: then with 50 seconds remaining, he hits a 21-yard comeback
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  Speaker 4: that was positively heroic with a guy in his face,
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  Speaker 4: incredible anticipation, Michael Wilson, who, by the way, I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you could win some bets in a bar. Who's the
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: number one guy on the Cardinal roster in terms of contract?
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Not only is the answer Michael Wilson at $ 25 million,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: he's significantly more than number two, Josh Sweat, the defensive end,
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  Speaker 4: who you remember came over from the Eagles and may
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: have been worthy of a Super Bowl MVP. But then
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Mike Wilson, a man-to-man on a corner route, as Greg
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: alluded to, the evasiveness, he was able to step up
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  Speaker 4: and hit– Wilson on man on a tight coverage for
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: 27 yards. And then on a split safety zone, Michael
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Wilson divided the defense in, in overtime and he gets
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  Speaker 4: the 13 yard touch on, on a beautiful anticipatory throw.
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  Speaker 4: So we saw a, a Cardinal offense with Jacoby preset
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  Speaker 4: that didn't have a completion more than nine yards for
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  Speaker 4: the entire game. And, And here, you know, in two minutes,
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  Speaker 4: you got a guy that, and those aren't just the completions,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's other completions that were thrown for under
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: 10 yards that got more than nine yards with Minshew.
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  Speaker 4: Those are just the ones where you kind of push
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  Speaker 4: the ball down the field. So we'll see if they
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: get a boost from that, but that's going to be
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: a challenge. And there's an entertaining brand that Gardner Minshew
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: has about his personality and his play style. I don't
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: expect him to be a really good quarterback a month
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  Speaker 4: from now. But Seattle has to make sure he's not
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: a good quarterback on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to think this is going to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: a lot closer game than a lot of people think.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: There's just something about the Cardinals. For whatever reason, really
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: good tight ends. have success against this defense and we're
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: facing arguably the best tight end in the game in
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Trey McBride. Um, and the, the quarterback situation scares me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. You guys kind of made
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: me both of you just like start to really think,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: cause I thought, okay, you know, even if drew locks,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: not a hundred percent, he'll still be able to have
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: similar success that he had earlier this year. That doesn't
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: seem like the case. And I'm not relying on Jalen
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Milrow to be able to drive the ball down the field. And, uh,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: continuously have success against the Cardinals defense. Hugh, you want
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to step in there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me clarify my opinion about Drew Locke
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  Speaker 4: because I'm not saying he will have the success or
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: he won't have the success. I'm saying that there were
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: elements about his conditions that are different that likely contributed
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: to his success. Right off the heels of training camp.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And he's healthy. Now he hasn't been throwing. He would
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: be rusty working with the offense even if he was
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: because we're two months removed from those games. And then
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: obviously whatever physical and mental hurdles he has to encounter
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  Speaker 4: in terms.
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  Speaker 3: Of his elbow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that combined with a perfect storm of
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals feeling like they have a jump with a
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: new quarterback here. I think it's going to be a
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: lot closer of a battle. I'll go 16-10. I think
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of field goals for the Seahawks. Cardinals get
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: like one touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they get.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the defense does a decent job of kind of slowing
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: them down, but they'll eventually we'll talk about the red
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: zone consistently. Tight ends are weapons in that aspect of
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the field. So yeah, We'll see if they can slow
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Trey McBride down, but I still think the Seahawks get
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the win. Fellas, appreciate you hopping on the show today.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon. Hugh Millen will, of course,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: be with you tomorrow. Greg, we'll hear you at 10 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Sound good?
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Well, coming up next, we got Joey Decord after a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: huge Kraken victory. Coming up on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.