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Ep. 657: MeatEater Radio Live! The Brothers of Oak Island, A Mexico Check-In, and Invasive Pike · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Metater Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, it's meeting to radio live. Welcome here to
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  Speaker 2: the show. Eleven am. Mountain time. Don't you just say
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  Speaker 2: all this, Phil? Do you tell people what time it is?
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  Speaker 2: They like, they don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's in the script every week. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they could look at the clock, but it's just kind
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  Speaker 3: of a way to mark place and time here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Here's where it gets tricky, Phil, is that
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  Speaker 2: they're looking at a clock because they're watching on a
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  Speaker 2: computer or the phone.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so you just think it's it's redundant.
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  Speaker 2: It's eleven am.
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  Speaker 3: This is discussion. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: January thirtieth, Meeting at her headquarters and bos of Montana.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host today, Steven Ronello. Today I'm joined by
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  Speaker 2: Brody Henderson and Maggie Hudler And are you how are
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  Speaker 2: you not here?
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  Speaker 4: Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Tory is not. If someone thinks Cory Calkin's series not.
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  Speaker 5: He's kind of not here like Corina is often.
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  Speaker 2: Not He's not here. He's not here, He's not in
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  Speaker 2: the room. On today's show, we got a couple of
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  Speaker 2: things coming up. So on today's show, We're gonna chat
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  Speaker 2: with Rick and Marty Laguina from History Channels to Curse
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  Speaker 2: of Oak Island for a couple of reasons. One they're
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  Speaker 2: fellow Michiganders. That's my home state. Two they're from the
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  Speaker 2: cool part of Michigan, which is the Upper Peninsula. And
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  Speaker 2: three I'm riding on their shirt tails. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: hear coat tails and shirttails. I don't know which is
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  Speaker 2: the better. Supposed to do the shirts.
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  Speaker 5: Have tails coattails? Well, sure they do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind Yeah, they used to man shirts hang out.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I always try to find those shirts that don't have
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  Speaker 2: that exaggerated I like the straight ones. If it's two straight,
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  Speaker 2: it looks goofy though yet to be careful. Uh, We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk to those fellas because I'm riding on their
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  Speaker 2: shirt tails on the History Channel and so you know
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  Speaker 2: they get the you know what it is, it's like
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  Speaker 2: the opposite like you think. Like the other night I
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  Speaker 2: was at I went to a stand up show, right so,
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  Speaker 2: and uh I went to see me and my boy
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  Speaker 2: went to see Kevin Hart. And Kevin Hart like Kevin Hart,
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  Speaker 2: don't come out first? Do you follow me? They have Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: other dudes come out and they get everybody kind of
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  Speaker 2: fluffed up, and then Kevin Hart comes out. So this
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  Speaker 2: is the opposite where like these guys get the audience,
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  Speaker 2: they're like the Kevin Hart and then I'm like the
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  Speaker 2: follow up dude. I'm like the dude, the support is terrible.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk to them about that. Uh, we're
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  Speaker 2: also gonna get into this most Januaries, I missed out
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  Speaker 2: one time because of COVID. Every January we go down
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  Speaker 2: to Hunt Kosire in Old Mexico. Uh, this year, at
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  Speaker 2: the last second I had I had to bail because
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  Speaker 2: my little boy had to get a knee surgery and
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  Speaker 2: he was gonna be laid up and is laid up,
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  Speaker 2: so I couldn't go. So we're gonna check in with
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  Speaker 2: the fellows that did make it down to Mexico, Chase
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  Speaker 2: and Kuzier, so I can find out what all happened.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: They were not feeding me any information, I think out
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  Speaker 2: of respect because I couldn't be there, so they wanted
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  Speaker 2: they didn't want to make me jealous. So I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of in the dark about how that all went. And
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to Parker Bradley from Alaska fish and
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  Speaker 2: game about some interesting pike behavior. We've touched on this
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times in the past, but like northern
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  Speaker 2: pike being in I mean, all over the damn country.
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  Speaker 2: Northern pike live in lakes and rivers that they're not
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  Speaker 2: native to.
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  Speaker 5: And they're circumpolar, aren't they?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, Scofier. In a Scofier's cookbook, they have
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  Speaker 2: pike recipes for the European pike, for the pike they
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  Speaker 2: catch over in France. Anyhow, Uh, they've always been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit magical and like, well, how in the hell
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  Speaker 2: they get here? And we're gonna talk about a freakish
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  Speaker 2: behavioral attribute that these Northern pike are exhibiting in Alaska
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  Speaker 2: that helps explain some of the mystery about how those
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  Speaker 2: sons of bitches are jumping from one drainage to the next.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna do that. Then we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: three most memorable fishing trips with photo backup. Then I'm
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  Speaker 2: supposed to say, but before we get to all that,
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  Speaker 2: what have you guys been up too lately? But not you, Cory,
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  Speaker 2: you ain't here.
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  Speaker 5: Maggie, you go first.
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  Speaker 8: Well, first off, I didn't know it was your birthday, Steve.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's not. Here's the thing. So our mutual friend Spencer
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  Speaker 3: Newhart told everyone who's watching the show to say happy
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  Speaker 3: birthday to you. But I'm pretty sure your birthday is
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  Speaker 3: in two weeks, two weeks away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be halfway to one hundred and two and
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  Speaker 2: two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: So but you you've got You've got dozens of people
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  Speaker 3: wishing you happy birthday, and.
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  Speaker 8: The check it's nice, yeah, nice, happy early birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I don't know how old you are,
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  Speaker 2: but dude, at this point, birthdays.
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  Speaker 5: They just don't mean anything.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 2: My favorite restaurant in Bozeman is with Sabby. You know
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  Speaker 2: the dudes that come in and they juggled their spatulism
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  Speaker 2: and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my kids love it there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was there the other night for my little
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  Speaker 2: boy's birthday and I was like, man, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: come here on my birthday. I'm call all my friends
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  Speaker 2: and then by twenty minutes later, I'm like.
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  Speaker 8: No, I'm not, that's my birthday. I'm like, ooh, I'm
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  Speaker 8: going to get some oysters. I'm going to get some crabs.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to have a party and then I'm like,
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  Speaker 8: then I have to share all this delicious food. I
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  Speaker 8: think it's going to be a feast for about four
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  Speaker 8: there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So anyways, what's everybody off to?
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  Speaker 8: I just moved into a new house that my boyfriend
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  Speaker 8: and I have been building over the last nine months.
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  Speaker 8: It's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: This is your shattered kneecap, hockey playing, sheep guiding boyfriend.
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  Speaker 8: Hold on together about three years, but we've known each
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  Speaker 8: other pretty much our whole lives.
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  Speaker 2: We think you want to get married? Are you like
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  Speaker 2: against marriage?
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  Speaker 8: I'm not against it. People just keep asking me about it.
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, hey, we just built a house. Like, we
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  Speaker 8: don't got money for a big party.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Guys, got your car? Heead of your horse though, too.
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  Speaker 5: That's a big move to Like, No, buy and build
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  Speaker 5: a house together when you're not hitching what's his last name?
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  Speaker 2: You can switch out?
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  Speaker 8: Hell? No, I already told.
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  Speaker 2: Him to switch out. Man, my wife never switched out.
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  Speaker 2: It kills me. Do you really want to not switch out?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 2: My daughter never switch out.
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  Speaker 8: But look on the internet and see how many other
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  Speaker 8: Maggie Hudlows there are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they can people can track you down.
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  Speaker 8: There's not other Maggie hudlows Maggie Hudler. There's a pile
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  Speaker 8: of Maggie Olsen's out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: No, I'll never switch.
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  Speaker 2: I sit both sides, Like I said, I wish my
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  Speaker 2: wife would, but I told my daughter never do that. See, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta hang on your name. So it's like I
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  Speaker 2: just it's very you know, depends.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, one day we'll probably have a big,
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  Speaker 8: awesome party and get hitched. But now I'll never change
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  Speaker 8: my name. Something I gotta I gotta hang on too.
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  Speaker 2: Let's transition to Brody Brody, you're married a long time?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Actually that place into what I've been up to lately.
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  Speaker 5: This is like, like this time of year is kind
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  Speaker 5: of hard for me. I get mild seasonal effective disorder whatever.
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  Speaker 2: My dog has that.
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  Speaker 5: And my wife says, I get real cranky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no dragons a slave right now.
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  Speaker 5: No, but we're like emerging from that. It's starting. Days
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  Speaker 5: are getting a little longer, you know, so there'll be
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  Speaker 5: cool stuff to do soon. So I haven't been up
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  Speaker 5: to too much other than like like planning. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if you do this, but I feel like it's
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  Speaker 5: important when you got kids like you really got to
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  Speaker 5: kind of plan your year out, like hunting fish and wise,
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  Speaker 5: because you know, with those kids, there's always like conflicting
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  Speaker 5: things going on. Sure, so I've been mapping stuff out
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  Speaker 5: on the calendar, which is always fun.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I don't have kids to worry about planning about.
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  Speaker 8: But my sister explained it as happily financially in with
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  Speaker 8: three dogs. That's my situation.
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  Speaker 2: But the house you guys fixed up, was it a
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  Speaker 2: mass or was it?
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  Speaker 8: No? We built it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh I thought you meant you read it? No guilt scratch.
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  Speaker 8: It's uh. It's basically a big, a big ass shop
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  Speaker 8: with a living quarters attached to it.
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  Speaker 2: So to your palms a.
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  Speaker 8: Little bit. I've spent a lot of time. We did
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  Speaker 8: concrete floors and some concrete countertops, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 8: it's like a cheaper option. And man, I spent a
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  Speaker 8: lot of time sand and concrete and staying in it,
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  Speaker 8: and a lot of a lot of time on the concrete.
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  Speaker 8: But it looks really nice. We got a nice big
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  Speaker 8: walnut butcher block in the center of the kitchen, and
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  Speaker 8: the garage has five huge doors to pull throughs. Oh really, Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: it's a it's a giant garage. That's we gotta have
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  Speaker 8: places to put the boats and and all the fun stuff.
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  Speaker 8: And now we're just trying to organize ours and garbage.
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  Speaker 2: So he got well, congratulations.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: You know the James Gang when they used to rob
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  Speaker 2: this is legend. I don't know if it's true. When
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  Speaker 2: they used to rob trains, they check your hands. If
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  Speaker 2: you had callouses, they let you slide because they were dandies.
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  Speaker 2: If you didn't have callous as you were getting robbed.
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  Speaker 8: I get the most callouses in the summer from rowing
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  Speaker 8: the drift boat.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if I saw those boys coming, I'd be scratching.
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  Speaker 2: How's that? Phil?
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  Speaker 3: That was some lovely banter. Guys, you knocked it out
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  Speaker 3: of the park.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, are we ready to switch over?
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, do we got Rick and Marty or Rick and
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  Speaker 2: Marty here.
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  Speaker 9: We're here.
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  Speaker 2: First off, man, tell me a little bit. Give me
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  Speaker 2: a quick snapshot of growing up in the up did
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  Speaker 2: you guys? Had you guys family been up there a
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  Speaker 2: long time? Were they newcomers or how that come about?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 4: First, wait, wait, I got to wish you a happy birthday. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: thank you, and everybody else who's confused.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, you go ahead, Rick, Well, it was you know,
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  Speaker 10: kind of like you know what you do in your life.
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  Speaker 10: You're outside a lot, you know, you've got your friends,
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  Speaker 10: you engage in whatever activity you want to do. It
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  Speaker 10: was sports and in the woods and fishing and a
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  Speaker 10: little bit of hunting and going on with our uncles
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  Speaker 10: and yeah, it was just a magical time, much simpler
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  Speaker 10: than today. And like I said, you spent most of
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  Speaker 10: your time outside playing ball and just having a good
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  Speaker 10: old time.
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  Speaker 6: There's a up.
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  Speaker 2: What's what's the first example you guys can think of
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  Speaker 2: when you go back to when you were little boys.
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  Speaker 2: What's the first example of you guys setting out to
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  Speaker 2: go try to find a lost something or another, or
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  Speaker 2: like to like make a discovery.
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  Speaker 4: That's an easy one.
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  Speaker 11: We were looking for a treasure under what we called
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  Speaker 11: the maybe not politically acceptable anymore, but under the Indian Rock,
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  Speaker 11: which was this rock out in the woods that had
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  Speaker 11: a band around it, and all the young boys in
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  Speaker 11: the neighborhood spent Rick, I don't know, two or three
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  Speaker 11: summers trying to move this rock because we were sure
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  Speaker 11: there was treasure underneath.
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  Speaker 4: We still want to go back and move that thing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys have a do you have a checklist
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  Speaker 2: of Like when your work, if you work at Oak
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  Speaker 2: Island concludes, do you have a do you have a
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  Speaker 2: what's next?
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  Speaker 10: We always have a plan moving forward, but you know,
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  Speaker 10: it's pretty fluid up there. You know, you find something,
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  Speaker 10: you move off. There's it's it's multifaceted search. So you
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  Speaker 10: have the money pit work, the excavations with Billy, You've
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  Speaker 10: got archaeological work going on. You've got Gary Drayton metal detecting,
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  Speaker 10: so you know when when something's following, you kind of
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  Speaker 10: skew that direction and follow that lead. And then of
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  Speaker 10: course you got the lab in the application of science,
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  Speaker 10: so it's you. It's not a it's a pretty active
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  Speaker 10: work site.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that that's great and I appreciate. But what
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  Speaker 2: I what I meant was, if you picture yourself, if
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  Speaker 2: you imagine ten years down the road, twenty years down
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  Speaker 2: the road, whatever do you have like the next place
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  Speaker 2: or the next quest that you guys get involved in?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, do you have a list of like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: when when we're done, when our work here is done,
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  Speaker 2: we need to move on to whatever.
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  Speaker 11: Well, first of all, in twenty years I'd like to
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  Speaker 11: make sure I'm still alive number one as far as
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  Speaker 11: the goals go. But I don't think we've really addressed
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  Speaker 11: that very well, Harry Rick. The Oak Island has been
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  Speaker 11: all consuming, and it keeps throwing stuff at us. Right
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  Speaker 11: about the time we're you know, ready to maybe say boy,
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  Speaker 11: this is this is it, it'll throw something a curveball
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  Speaker 11: in terms of an artifact or something. So I don't
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  Speaker 11: think we've planned very well past that. We're we're interested
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  Speaker 11: in other things and we've got involved in other quests
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  Speaker 11: that other people are taking the lead on. But beyond that,
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  Speaker 11: Oak Island's pretty all consuming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what are some of the latest Tell people
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  Speaker 2: about some of the latest things you guys have found
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  Speaker 2: out there that keeps you, that keeps you wanting to
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  Speaker 2: keep going, big brother.
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  Speaker 10: Well, for me, it's you know, it's kind of a
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  Speaker 10: close association, Steve to what you're doing with your new show,
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  Speaker 10: you know, following history. I think the research component and
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  Speaker 10: the historical associations we've made to date through the finds
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  Speaker 10: of the artifacts and the digging and the money pit
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  Speaker 10: and the application of science, but it's really the research
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  Speaker 10: that is coming to fore. There's a treasure hunting component,
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  Speaker 10: and there's the historical research component which you're all about.
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  Speaker 10: And like just the other day, I got coming to
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  Speaker 10: believe that there's we're on a real national treasure you
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  Speaker 10: know the National Treasure movie. We're on a real national
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  Speaker 10: treasure hunt. There are significant historical figures that we believe
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  Speaker 10: have played some sort of role in association with the
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  Speaker 10: Oak Island mystery. So so to me, it's a big
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  Speaker 10: component is the history. But certainly there's a fascinating treasure
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  Speaker 10: hunt too.
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  Speaker 2: Now I gotta ask as well, what, uh, I know,
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  Speaker 2: you guys, So you guys got some land there, what's
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  Speaker 2: the what's the what's your vibe on the hunt and
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  Speaker 2: fishing potential out there on Oak Island? Should I be
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  Speaker 2: out there hitting it? Or what?
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  Speaker 4: Off shore? I think you could be hitting it?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's all kinds of fishing off shore on the
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  Speaker 11: island not so much so.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, there's not like a resident I don't whatever.
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  Speaker 2: There's not like a resident deer population or a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, there's a resident deer population.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I was thinking fishing. There aren't any streams or anything
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  Speaker 11: unless you're a big eel fisherman, because there's lots of
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  Speaker 11: those in the swamp.
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  Speaker 2: No. I like the eels for sure. So you got
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  Speaker 2: to see some game when you're out there, when you're
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  Speaker 2: all done, like you're saying that I I should be
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  Speaker 2: out there, I can go out there and hunt.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 10: So I can tell you what you can do is
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  Speaker 10: you know, come come on up, you know, be a
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  Speaker 10: part of the treasure hunt and do a podcast from
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  Speaker 10: up there. But I can I can easily affirm.
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  Speaker 6: To you that.
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  Speaker 10: And you've probably been there in New Brunswick and in Newfoundland. Yep,
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  Speaker 10: you'd have a fantastic time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I've hunted up I've hunted up there before
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  Speaker 2: one time. The last time I hunted up in New Brunswick,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I left. I kind of did a questionable move. My
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: wife was like pretty pregnant, and I drove up there
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  Speaker 2: and we were hunting and I got a call basically
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: saying turn around and come back or or don't come back,
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  Speaker 2: and so I had to cut my I had to
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: cut my trip short. But now that all that's behind me,
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  Speaker 2: i'd like to come out there and check it out. No,
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  Speaker 2: I would definitely like to come up and see the island.
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  Speaker 2: And meet you guys for real and uh and talk
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  Speaker 2: about the home state. So I appreciate you guys coming on. Man,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: everybody is checking out. Watch new episodes of the Curse
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  Speaker 2: of Oak Island on History Channel Tuesday nights at nine
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  Speaker 2: eastern eighth Central and then and then if you if
• 16:05
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• 16:08
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• 16:11
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• 16:18
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• 16:19
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Boys, thanks for taking the time to come on the show. Man,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 16:23
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: That's great. All right.
• 16:25
  Speaker 10: I just want to tell you that our nephews, Peter
• 16:27
  Speaker 10: David and Daniel Fernetti are big fans.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Oh in your show. Tell him, I said, thanks, And
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you shoot over an address and we'll send them up
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: some books and stuff if you if you got if
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: you can pass along for somebody, I'd love to. All right, guys,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: thanks so much.
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: Man.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Good luck with your good luck with your hunt, good
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: luck with your show, good luck with yours. All right,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: take it easy, see take care, bye bye, all right.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Mexico Cops hunt check in with Randall and Seth. That's
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: what we got. Randall and South. Where the hell they
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: coming from?
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Why don't we ask them?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Are you guys live? We're just like a trick Mexico.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, so you are there?
• 17:05
  Speaker 9: Aloha me and migos mayamo rojo grande. All right?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Was the kate was? Were they rotting hard? I don't
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: even know where to begin. Were you seeing like hard
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: rotting grab ass action? Uh? Yes, and no I recognized
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: that fireplace. How do you guys got such a good
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: connection by that fireplace?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Oh there's a starlingla now.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see, it's just as warm in there as normal.
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: We had snow on the ground this morning, so.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It snowed last night and was like twenty two degrees
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: or so.
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Seth and I were on a pretty uh pretty
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: frigid ridge all morning and uh stop down to the
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: house to hop on. So we're enjoying this fire and
• 17:53
  Speaker 9: some fresh cafe.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Got it? Uh so? So hard ass grab ass rought
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: action or no.
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: There's a lot of chasing. Yannis saw a buck he
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: thinks unsuccessfully breed a dough. But yeah, the bucks that
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: we've seen have all been pretty active. It's been sporadic though.
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: We're seeing like a ton of action on one hillside
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: and then we go back the next day and zero deear,
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: So it's kind of been hide and seek a little bit.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and we've been seeing Dose pretty frequently that don't
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: have any bucks with him?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got god? And how many bucks you guys gotten
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: down there?
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: We got four so far, Yanni's Today is our last
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: day and Yanni is the only one that still needs
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: to get one, so he's out there right now.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: He's looking for mucho grande though.
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Yanni's Yannis prepared to eat the tag if he
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: doesn't see the right dear. So, he and the rest
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: of the crew are all hunting hard right now. Got
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: to sit by the fire.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It's good to see you guys. I miss you, guys.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I've been dominating the question here, so I'm gonna let
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Brody and Maggie asks you a bunch of questions.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Did you get some good ones?
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: So, Uh, Peter hal from Zig is down here, which
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: is cool because we're getting to play with a bunch
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: of new SIG products.
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: I can test that out.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: But he he shot a giant.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: Nice It's definitely the biggest one I've seen come off
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: of this ranch.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Raynad's about to show you right here.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And you folks watching from home, you need to understand
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that you're looking at like what's It's like a desert
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: white tail, like a mini white tail.
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: And he's got a he's got a split G two
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: on the one side, so he looks like a mulely
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: on that side.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yep. But that that runs that way because we've gotten
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: a couple of them there like that with that same split.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Jim had the finger probably roll over dead if I
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: just said that that runs that way down there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's a pretty impressive buck and he's he's got
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: a little bit of palmation and he's kind of some
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: of the times are bladed. So that was Cal shot
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: a real nice one. Uh he saw it the first
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: night and killed it two days later.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: There you go, that's Cal's buck blade it out.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: That is ye go back to that big one. I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: gonna come back to Cal's. We go back to that
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: big one for met. Was that like, uh, did you
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: guys find him and then rEFInd him and then rEFInd him?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Was it like a holy shit? There he is kind
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: of moment.
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: Well, we Seth and Giannis and I were on the
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: same ridge, but maybe a mile down and uh, we
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: would just listen to the whole thing on the radio.
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: But I think they glassed him up. He had a
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: dough that he was trying to lock down and uh
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: seemed to be right out in the open, so they
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: Pete and Cal made a big stock on him and
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: wrapped around the face and ended up getting a shot.
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: But that that's kind of the only big buck that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: really made himself visible for a significant period of time.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: I think Col's buck is just sort of like you know, appeared.
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: He was betted the first night when you guys saw him.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we saw uh, we spotted calsbuck on the first evening.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even like our first hunt day.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: We just happened to get down here and have enough
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: time to run up on the hill and do some
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: glasses and we and Cal almost killed him on the
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: first evening, but he caught up with him two days later.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: And Yeah, a lot of the bucks, most of the
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: bucks that were se like I saw ten or twelve
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: bucks yesterday, Wow, all of them. All of them were chasing,
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: but just no big bucks. And the big bucks that
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: we've seen a lot of them are really broken, and
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: that seems to be We've heard like this year, for
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: whatever reason, a lot of the big bucks are broken.
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: M It doesn't bother me, but some people either. Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: Uh So then Seth and I both got deer on
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: back to back days, I think Tuesday and Wednesday maybe
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: yep or something like that, and that was fantastic. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: well ours are not nearly as impressive, but we're both
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: very happy. They're like, you know, maighties low nineties deer,
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: and yeah, I might shot at like to two hundred
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: and fifty yards. He was chasing a dough with another
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: smaller buck and they were just kind of pinballing around,
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: and he popped up and got a shot at him,
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: and then Seth had a real uh search for his buck.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: I spotted my buck and made a move on him,
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: lost him like you typically do down here, and popped
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: up on this little bumps to try to get a
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: good advantage of this hillside where he was, and he
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: ended up betting with a dough about one hundred and
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: twenty yards from where I was, and I actually had
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: to in order to shoot him, I had to leave
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: my bump that I was on and make a big
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: loop around and shoot him at like three hundred yards
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: where I could actually see him.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Oh God, it house jealous right now? Can you tell jealous?
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: The uh, I mean, the big story this week, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: think has been the wind. Everybody's been telling me that
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: it's usually rather calm here, but we've been getting gusts
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: up to like thirty and pretty steady fifteen ten to
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: fifteen mile an hour winds all week. So there have
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: been some long cold days and the big stablized binoculars
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: have really, uh oh yah been a lifesaver because and
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: I hadn't I'd messed around with them like out of
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: the truck or out of the house, but I really
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: hadn't had them out in these kind of conditions. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: you throw those things on the tripod, and even if
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: it's blowing your tripod around, your image is like crystal clear.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: So I've I've oftentimes like just had to take my
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: regular binos down and throw up the stabilized ones just
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: for the wind factor.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Of Yeah. Then the next thing you got to figure
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: out is how to make your eyeballs not water.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: Oh, the corners of my eyes are chafed badly. A
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: lot of tears a lot of sunscreen, a lot of wind.
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: It's not a good recipe for my optical health.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: Well, the stabilized bos are cool. What other fun sig
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: stuff have you guys been messing around with down there?
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: Well, there's one, there's one item that we're told not
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: not to What happens down in Mexico stays in Mexico.
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: Great Toby Keith, but pretty neat stuff. We we also
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: have used the the range finding binos. Yep, are those
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: the kilow tens maybe something? And uh, but yeah, those
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: those are pretty amazing for because they have the uh
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: they have the wind calculation dialed in. So yeah, when
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: we're sitting out there glass and stuff and range and stuff,
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: you can plug in like a ten mile an hour
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: value and it'll give you your correction in minutes of angles,
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: so or mills. But we're shooting both the guns we
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: have are shooting minutes of angles. So that's been pretty
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: fun to see and like check that against the dope
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: on your phone.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, there's been a lot of chatter about wind calls.
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: Yes, a lot of chatter about wind calls. I was
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: very grateful to shoot my dear at two hundred and
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: twenty five yards or whatever it was, because I don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: think I would have really wanted to stretch it out
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: very far in those conditions.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I got I got two more questions. When I go
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: down there, you always find that the Bocarrols, the ba Carrols,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Buck Harrols, buck Harrows. No matter what deer you bring back,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they tell you that no, no, no, no, no, no, that's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: not him. Yeah, been happening.
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: Well, I haven't talked with them much. Cal has been
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: our primary liaison to the Lacas. His Spanish is actually remarkable. No,
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: he does good, although he doesn't do like the performative
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: accent that a lot of people do when they speak
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: a foreign language. It just sounds like Cal. He speaks
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: in the same cadence with just different words. But we
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: did have a couple of reports of bucks that the
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: cowboys had seen, and you know, had the hills that
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: they'd seen him on, And there is even a set
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: of sheds from this year near the house that we're
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: looking for that buck. But we have not been able
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: to turn up any of the the famous cowboy bucks.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my other question.
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: No, No, I was gonna say the cat. I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: the Viccaro's cat is having a real field day. Whenever
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: we bring back a deear, it's like fighting us for
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: little strips of hide and meet. And that's kind of
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: also been our primary mode of entertainment is the cat's
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: increasingly aggressive behavior around any sort of meat.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Randall, I need to share with you two comments that
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: have come in. I'm gonna build you up and I'm
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: gonna bring you down. Sure, there's a guy that says
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you look like Jim Harrison, followed up by a guy
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that says you look homeless.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: So I.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Did Jim Harrison ever spend time as a homeless person.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna look like Harrison, you need to take
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: a beer bottle and gouage one of your eyes so
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work right, which is what happened to him.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: She said it looked like a Civil warrying actor in
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: the photo and said that I took that to me
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: and I need to cut my hair.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I got another question for you. You know how I couldn't
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: go to my boy had to have knee surgery. Well,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: thanks for asking how he's doing.
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: Oh I I was communicating uh with Jannison. We were
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: getting updates, We were we were all sitting around the
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: table the other day and we Yanni, you were texting
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: me Steve, and then Yanni was like, we were asking
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: for updates through our Uh.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're we're all asking how how Maddy was doing.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Funny because none of those they were all unfulfilled.
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: I did. I did text Katie. I did text Katie
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: to see how the surgery went.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you went straight to my you went straight to
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: my you went straight to my woman.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: You're a busy man.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's cool, that's cool. Anybody else, Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I've heard enough.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: How long do you guys want to talk for We're
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: getting bored.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: Oh we did. We did want to mention that yesterday
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: Jannis ate eleven or twelve burritos.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: Record so we.
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: Got blowney sandwich is the day before and he ate
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: his at eleven and then spent the rest of the
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: day talking about how he could have had more than
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: one blooney sandwich. So the next day he took six
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: burritos for lunch and he gave me one, but he
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: had two at breakfast and I think three at dinner.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: So that would yeah, that would probably make maybe it. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: that's like ten or eleven, so Anyway, the tortillas have
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: been thin, so Janni's consumed twenty some tortillas yesterday.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Were doubling rand. We got another guy saying, you just
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: look like you're from Ohio.
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: No, that's true that I'll take that as a high compliment.
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: Thank you, Chase. That's lovely.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what about being from Ohio. I don't
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: know if you ever read the right stuff, but there's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: something steely about Ohio. Dudes. It's like what you want
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to man a spaceship. Yep, they want
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to lean. They want it leaning into Ohio.
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: There's something there's there's a rich soil.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, good luck tell Jannie, I said, good luck.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I wish I could be there. In all seriousness. Miss
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you guys terrible uh yeah, you know all that kind
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: We'll see you very soon.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks Boddy, see you guys. Yaas was that
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: long enough?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: How are you doing on Steve? You are you're doing
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: incredible schedule?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh so now we take time for listener feedback.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: That's right, dude.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I'm mostly no, no, not to hack on the boys there,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but I'm I'm mostly excited about the northern pike deal.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Oh he's coming up.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: No, I don't want to know. I'm saying I want
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to jump to it. Let's do some well, how you've
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: been hanging on this part?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: The listener feedback, well, the The idea is throughout the show,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: people can ask questions in the live chat. I bookmark
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the ones I think are are good or could open
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: up some interesting conversation. So if we haven't gotten a
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: lot of questions, guys, this might be Steve's last time here,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: and who knows, like you, you should feel lucky. So
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: if you have questions for Steve, get him in here
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: right now, because I don't know what he's gonna be
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: coming down here all the time.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Might be your last time. It's like you're dying or.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: You're you're just you're you're a busy gal.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start coming here all the time.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: We would love that. Yeah, people, people want to see it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Let's see, we got to start with a lighter one.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Mogre is asking a question for Steve. Hi, when you're
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: not participating in trivia or radio live, how closely do
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you follow the events during your travels? Do you keep
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: up with the shows by watching or listening to them.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling I know the answer to this question,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: but I just thought, you know, people, the people would
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: like to know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of stuff. I watch bits
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of a lot of stuff, but I mostly talked every buddy.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I like to do, is talk to every buddy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Probably a better use of your time.
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Question for Steve from John did the stolen cooler of
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: frozen fish ever get resolved?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: No, it's still it's just gone, dude. Okay, someone's licking
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: their lips on that fish or they were, but no.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Not going on a couple of years now, isn't it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Do you know what's hilarious? Remember we were talking about
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: so I shouldn't I shouldn't say this about my kid,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: but my older kid, my older boy, when we were
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: talking about remember we talking about getting that lie detector
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: test down here. So he kind of got in a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: bunch He got in a bunch of trouble. Okay, he
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was telling I shouldn't air in his laundry like this,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: but he was telling his mom and dad a phib Okay,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: so his mom phibbs to get the truth. She says,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm taking you down to the office because your dad
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: got that lie detector, So you tell me right now
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: what happened. And he's just like he just lets it
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: all out. And just the other night we like finally
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it came up. We finally said no, there is no
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: lie Detector's.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: That's good.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: There was like lies to get him to tell the truth,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: which is smart.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: Get on you, Katie.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Let's see here.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You said you're giving soft babbles. What's an example of hardball?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: This isn't a hard ball, but this one actually could
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: could open up to some discussion from Kyle. What do
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: y'all do about cleaning brain matter from a skull in
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the field to transport to or from CWD areas across
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: a home county?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Stir it up with a screwdriver, Stir it up super
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: good with a screwdriver, and put a high pressure hose
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Give it a few good shakes.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: We know, Yeah, you give it a couple of shakes. Yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: there you go. It's it's like, you know, if you
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: stick with it, you can get that brain pan pretty clean.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Right on, this could what's a real hard question.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: We haven't gotten really a really hard one yet, but
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: if you guys want to speak to this because I
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: don't think you ever really have, and I think you
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: guys could could talk thoughtfully about it. Question for Stephen Brody,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: y'all post a lot of pictures of hunting fishing with
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: your kids, which is great. Have you ever thought about
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: making videos featuring your kids? My kids love watching other
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: kids hunting videos.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Man, I think about it all the time. I'd love
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: to do it, but me and my wife made a decision,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: like if you noticed vir sea pictures of my kids,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: we just had to find. We had to find, like
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: we had to make a rule for ourselves so that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a question all the time about how much
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: exposure to give to our kids. And we eventually made
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a rule. It seems arbitrary, but it works for us,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Like we don't show our kids' faces on stuff. It
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: seems goofy, but like wound up making it simple, you
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. In the other day, I even
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: asked my I would had a picture of my kids
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: when they were babies. And I said to my wife, like, hey,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: do you mind if I post this thing when the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: kids are babies that I mean, you know, they don't
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: look like that anymore? And she said, well, no, because
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: we have an agreement.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you've done a good job of sticking to it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. But it hurts because I'd love to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be able to make videos with them, but I don't
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: want to, like I do. I don't want to drag
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: them into something, you know, Like it's just hard for me,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Like I need them to get old enough to make
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the decision.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: There's also that like there's one thing, like making a
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: TV show or whatever is one thing, but then like
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: just making like videos, yeah, for yourself, Like we do
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: that all the time, but like making a show is
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: hard and it gets in the way, like it would
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: not that you couldn't do it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: But there's a great episode of Tony hunting Bear with
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: his daughter Austin if you want to check that out.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Yep, Hey, listen, I don't have any like I have.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. And a big thing that informed
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: us on it is years ago we had to have
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: like the FBI got involved, Like years ago, we had
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: something happen that alarmed us and they had to go
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: after a dude and like really went after a guy
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: hard about saying a comment, you know, about our kids.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And then from then on that changed our whole attitude. Man,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it was like someone like an animal rights dude, and
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: so it just it just spooked us, you know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, I mean I'd love to see us
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: make a show with some kids hunting, and it'd be
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: great if we do that at some point.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just didn't like the thought of some like
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: some animal rights freak or whoever targeting my kids because
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it's something that they know about me. Is just like
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: upset and at times I'm just like a little I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: feel a little like maybe overexposed in that way.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: That's totally reasonable.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do one more here and save some words
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: for the end of the show. Sam's asking is there
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: any animal you were excited to hunt and eat but
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: were let down when you finally tried it, or any
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: animal that you thought that wasn't really worth it after
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: you tried it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: You made it name.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, remember you guys shot those You guys
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: shot a bunch of those big old caribou several years ago.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Kenyan and Dura were there. Yeah. Yeah, I was a
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: little disappointed in the shanks with the because you think
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: about how many miles or in those shanks, Holy shit,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: they take a long time to break down. Oh, multi
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: day breaks, and just the meat in general. It's not
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: that it's bad, it's just you stack it up against
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: like elk or it's just not No.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I'd rather I'd wait, rather eat Muldier than cava. Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you. One of the ones that was most
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: disappointing to me is while back we flayed I really
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: wish we had we played a bunch of shovel nose sturgeon.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: I remember you talking about that.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because one the yield is so low, so you
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: kind of get this cool looking fish, you clean him,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and you don't have ship, and then what you do
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: have doesn't taste that good. I've never laid a finger
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: on now. It just pop them off, you know. Just
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: a real disappointment because the the the low yield was
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: already enough to turn me off, but then the taste was.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Another one for me was Jack Rabbits, There no no
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: go ahead and each his own.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: You have dumb opinions, free country cool.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: If you want to get to the pike, we've got
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Parker waiting in the in the green room.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Brod, you want to handle this interview?
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brody's an invasive pike expert. He used to live
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: at an invasive pipe pod.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I love those things.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: Are we there?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Parker.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Hey Parker, how's it going?
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Hey, good Harry, y'all doing great?
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Is it cold up there?
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: You know, it's the coldest day we've had this winter
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: so far, about minus fifteen.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Where are you at right now?
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: I'm in Palmer, so about our north of Anchorage.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Yep, yep, yep. Cool. So we'll get to the pike
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: in a second. But you want to give us a
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: rundown of what you do for a fishing game, like
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: what you're Yeah, sure.
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: So I'm a fisheries biologist with the Alaska Department of
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: Fishing Game and my job is primarily focused on invasive
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: species in this region. That's primarily invasive Northern Pike, but
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: that could be. You know, we've dealt with the host
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: of other several species that have turned up here that
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: shouldn't be here and we handle that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: Cool.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So, hey, Brody, while you're interviewing him, can you ask
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: if he knows my brother Danny.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: So there's this guy Danny Bolton and Anchorage Danny Bolton.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: There's this guy Danny Runella. You know him down at
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Anchorage did you know these guys know each other?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe I knew they knew each other, but I'm not
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: positive they knew each other. Yeah, he's my brother's a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: fisheries biologist. I thought maybe you guys ran neto each other.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Continue the interview.
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a small world in the fisheries biology realm
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: up here.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So this study came out, some people may
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: have seen it in the news. That's where I found it,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: and we had talked about it like in the past
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: recently here at media. But can you kind of give
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: like the basic rundown of what this study found and
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: how they they were able to come to the conclusion
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: that they came to.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you bet so.
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: Quick background for your listeners. Pike are actually native to
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: a majority of Alaska, more than northern and western regions.
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: But they were introduced here to the south central region
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: waters that flow into cook Inlet Gulf of Alaska. They
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: were introduced by a person in the nineteen fifties and
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: they've spread to you know, over one hundred water bodies
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: in this region since then. But you know, so we're
• 40:12
  Speaker 12: trying to keep tabs on where these pike are spreading
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: in the region and we've been doing eradication projects on
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: the Kena Peninsula.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: What does that entail, Like, how are you trying to
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: get rid of them? Because like, yeah, I used to
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: live in an area in Colorado where they were doing that.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: They're trying to get rid of them on the Yampa River,
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: and they'd knock them back, then they'd come back. They'd
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: knock them back, then they'd come back. It's like just
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: an ongoing They can never seem to like eradicate.
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: Them, right, So it's it's kind of tough to get
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: over that hump. But a lot of what we do
• 40:48
  Speaker 12: is aggressive netting, and that's called suppression projects, where we
• 40:51
  Speaker 12: just try to kill as many as we can. But
• 40:54
  Speaker 12: if we actually want to eradicate them, then we often
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: go and use a chemical called rotino. It's a fish
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: management tool that you know is used across the US,
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: and that's what we've done heavily on the Kina to
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: eradicate him from there. But netting is often very common,
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: and like you're saying, it's tough to get ahead.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: Of them, yep. So so back back to the study.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a question just pop up. How are
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the pikes spreading?
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Yep?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Someone asked that he's in luck.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: We're about to find out.
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: So they're spreading, well really two mechanisms. Now that they're
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: in this region, people still move them around. We have
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: documentation of that. And then you know, once they're in
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: an open system, they're free to swim where they want, right.
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: And so one thing that we thought was some of
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: these rivers flowing into cook Inlet, which is brackish water.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: We thought that was most likely.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: That's a nice one.
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: But we had some pike that showed up in a
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: remote place on the Kena Peninsula that it we don't
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: know how they got there. Didn't make sense for someone
• 42:03
  Speaker 12: to go through an extensive effort to get them to
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: this remote place, but it has a very short connection
• 42:08
  Speaker 12: to cook Inlet. And so one thing that we did
• 42:11
  Speaker 12: we wanted to explore if we're going to invest money
• 42:13
  Speaker 12: into getting rid of these pike from this drainage, we
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: want to know how they got there and prevent that
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: from happening again. So we did some sampling in this lake,
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: Vogel Lake, and we caught one really large female along
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: with a handful of other smaller pike. And one thing
• 42:30
  Speaker 12: that's a really neat technology in the world of fisheries
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: is the odalith of the fish.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: So that's the.
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: Inner earbone calcified structure. Biologists used that often for aging fish.
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: There's a good picture of it there, but what it
• 42:44
  Speaker 12: also can be used for. It's basically a chemical fingerprint
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: of the water that that fish has lived in throughout
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: its life. So you can cut that otlith in half
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: and it grows, you know, on the outside, cal calcium
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: building up on the outside as it grows. If you
• 43:01
  Speaker 12: cut that in half, you expose the core when that
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: fish was born, and then the edge represents when you
• 43:07
  Speaker 12: kill that fish. So we can send this otolith to
• 43:10
  Speaker 12: a lab. We have one in Fairbanks that does this.
• 43:13
  Speaker 12: They look at the chemical composition of that otolith from
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: birth to death. And what's interesting is water bodies often
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: have unique chemical signatures, specifically with stronium isotopes, and that's
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: what we're looking at. So the marine environment has a
• 43:28
  Speaker 12: pretty particular strownium isotope signature. And so we took the
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: otolith from that really large pike and measure the stronium
• 43:38
  Speaker 12: from birth to death of that fish. And what we
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: found is that the center of that otolith where that
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: fish was born did not match the water that we
• 43:46
  Speaker 12: caught it in. Then about two years of age, it
• 43:50
  Speaker 12: had a signature signature consistent with being in a marine environment,
• 43:56
  Speaker 12: and then the signature matched.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: The water that we caught that fish in. So basically
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: what that told us is that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 12: Fish came from somewhere else, swam through the brackish water
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: and then ended up in this Vogel lake here where
• 44:08
  Speaker 12: we caught it. And once we kind of had proof
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: of that occurring, we got suspicious of this happening in
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: other places.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: For example, and Anchorage.
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: We have a couple of lakes where we thought this
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: might have occurred, and indeed we did catch a couple
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: of pike that had these signatures as well. And so
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: that's what this study was kind of based on these
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: three different populations that we think got established by pike
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: swimming through the marine environment mostly just brackish water, not
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: full salt water.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: So they're able to make those trips, That's what you
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: just kind of answer my question as you finished your
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: last response. But they're able to make those trips just
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: staying in brackish water, Like like, how long do you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: think one could last and open salt or do you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: think that would kill.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: It, so I think that would kill it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: We a couple of years ago we did a salinity
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: trial where we actually put pike in known salinity tots
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: and measured to see how long they would live. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: so we tested various gradients and our highest concentration we
• 45:14
  Speaker 12: tested was about twenty eight parts per thousand. For reference,
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: about thirty five is considered fully marine, and at twenty
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: eight they lived maybe like seven or eight hours on
• 45:24
  Speaker 12: the average. They can't tolerate fully marine waters and for
• 45:30
  Speaker 12: very long, but that lower brackish concentration around seven or ten.
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: There's actually a pike population in the Baltic Sea that
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: they just lived there, and that's at about seven parts
• 45:42
  Speaker 12: per thousand. So the fact that they can kind of
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: traverse through some of this low brackish water is not
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: that surprising. But you know, cook Inlet it's a pretty
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: hostile environment. We have some of the largest tides in
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: the world, like thirty foot tide swings very glacially turbid.
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: We got big glacial rivers that are pumping into it,
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: so visibility is poor, really strong current, so it's you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: not what you would think of when you think of
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: where pike would typically live, so it's you know, they
• 46:11
  Speaker 12: can live just probably for a little bit in this environment.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Are are they traveling or are you able to determine
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: like how far they're traveling, Like does this only happen
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: where like two river estuaries are pretty close together, or
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: are they yeah distance.
• 46:28
  Speaker 12: We can't tell exactly where they came from. The most
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: likely source is this is sit in a river and
• 46:35
  Speaker 12: if that's the case, you know Vogel Lake where one
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: of these studies was based on, that's about eighteen miles
• 46:43
  Speaker 12: if the fish was to swim perfectly straight, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: from anchorage. If it made the trip from this is Sittina,
• 46:48
  Speaker 12: that's like fifteen miles, so not really that far. And
• 46:52
  Speaker 12: we think a lot of this movement's likely limited to
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: the upper part of cook Inlet to where we have
• 46:57
  Speaker 12: these you know, brackish waters.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: As you south, it gets.
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: Pretty fully marine pretty quick, So I think this is
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: just happening kind of an upper Cooking like region.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Years ago, I was talking to a researcher who was
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: looking at trying to explore the question of how bad
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: could the Burmese python situation get, so they would take
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Burmese pythons and move north of the Florida Everglades and
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: make these enclosures just to see like what there, At
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: what point would they not be able to survive anymore?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: And they were kind of able to draw a sort
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of a sort of line saying what they projected to
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: be the extent of the spread for for average temperature purposes.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Right when you guys look at this, now that you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: understanding that these pike are moving not just from people
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: moving them in buckets, but they're moving on their own
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: into unexpected areas, do you have a sense of, like
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of how bad it could get or do you think
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you already looking at the extent of what they could
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: possibly do for as they spread into these waters? And
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I think within that I think we didn't cover on
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: just I don't mean to lay too much on you
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: at once, but you should probably speak to what this
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: could mean for salmon, right because that's what we're really
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: talking about here, right.
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So we we know how bad it
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: can get, but it all depends really on the specific
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: habitat of a location. You know, if you're a pike angler,
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: you know what pike habitat looks like.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: You know where you.
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: Target them and in the Sassiina Valley, we've you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: almost complete expansion through all available habitat. But what's at
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: risk here is the Kena Peninsula for sure, the northern
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: portion at least, and there is some tremendously good well
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: salmon habitat currently, but it would make for very good
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: pike habitat.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: And that's what we're nervous about.
• 48:49
  Speaker 12: There's some locations that if Pike got into it would
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: be completely devastating, you know, completely wipe out salmon because
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: of the type of habitat in that citystem would favor
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: pike in an apex predator like that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Does it seem like there's does it seem inevitable or
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: does it seem like there's something that there's a move
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: you guys that will have at your disposal.
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: You know it's with enough time, it's likely inevitable. Now
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: we're taking some preventative measures. In that Vogel Lake that
• 49:24
  Speaker 12: I mentioned. We eradicated pike from there in twenty twenty one,
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: and what we have now is a weir in place
• 49:31
  Speaker 12: near the mouth of that drainage preventing pike from moving
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: up through.
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: Cooking let through that pathway.
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: So you know, so we're taking prevention measures there, but
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: some of these other locations, you know, we're kind of
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: exploring options. We really want to dial in. How frequently
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: is this occurring.
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: We don't know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 12: It seems to occur frequently enough that pike can establish
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: a population. So a male and a female get into
• 49:59
  Speaker 12: a system and fawn and kind of game over. So
• 50:03
  Speaker 12: but we don't know exactly. We don't know really what
• 50:06
  Speaker 12: the exact salinity concentrations or trends are in cook inlet.
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: We need to figure that out to actually find what
• 50:13
  Speaker 12: we think would be the boundary of how far south
• 50:15
  Speaker 12: they can go. So once we kind of do that,
• 50:18
  Speaker 12: we can prioritize, you know, monitoring and prevention measures.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: Man, just just to play Devil's advocate there, I think
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: there would be some people that might say, if these
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: things are traveling on their own into these area, they're
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: not getting No one's dumping a bucket a pike into
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: a lake, right if they're doing it on their own, Like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: are they still considered an invasive species?
• 50:47
  Speaker 12: Yeah, So that's a really good question. Short answer is yes,
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: because they wouldn't be spreading if it wasn't for an
• 50:53
  Speaker 12: initial human introduction. There's still a lot native to the area,
• 50:57
  Speaker 12: so to be invasive, have to be non native and
• 51:01
  Speaker 12: you know, causing harm.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: You know, a good example of that would be like
• 51:05
  Speaker 12: the Asian carp throughout the Midwest. If they got established
• 51:08
  Speaker 12: in the Great Lakes, you wouldn't consider them native because
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: they swim there on their own.
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: So the other kind of the other part of that
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: that question is, at least down here, you'll have these
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: situations where like pike or smallmouth bass or some other
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: non native game fish will get introduced into a system,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: and often there'll be like a contingent of anglers that
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: are like, we don't want these things gone. They're great, right, yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: what I mean, you know, there's there's so many examples
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: down here. I would imagine in Alaska maybe because of
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: how important salmon are that there's not really that kind
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: of pushback like for for recreational and subsistence anglers saying, oh,
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: you know, they're not so bad.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: Well, we we do get that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 12: There's definitely a following of pike anglers here that want
• 52:08
  Speaker 12: the pike to be here, you know, move them around. Uh,
• 52:11
  Speaker 12: that's that's why they were introduced here in the first place, right,
• 52:14
  Speaker 12: Somebody wanting to fish for pike. So we have that,
• 52:16
  Speaker 12: but it is still you know, your average you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 12: Alaskan overwhelming majority understands what's going on and would much
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: prefer the salmon you know over a pike fishery. Yep,
• 52:29
  Speaker 12: it only takes a couple of bad apples to really,
• 52:32
  Speaker 12: you know, create a situation like what we have.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: Is this like a super high priority problem now for
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: for Alaska fishing game?
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: It is?
• 52:42
  Speaker 12: This is this is probably the most devastating aquatic and
• 52:45
  Speaker 12: vasive species we have in this region. You know, there's
• 52:48
  Speaker 12: several others that we're dealing with, but I mean, for
• 52:51
  Speaker 12: the pike. We've documented about twenty five percent of our
• 52:56
  Speaker 12: anagamous lakes on a surface area basis completely destroyed from pike.
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: Twenty five percent and this is where samuel rearing and
• 53:05
  Speaker 12: growing before they out mak rate, and then another good
• 53:08
  Speaker 12: fifteen percent are in pretty dire straight So significant a
• 53:12
  Speaker 12: portion of habitat in this region is being impacted by pike.
• 53:17
  Speaker 12: But there's there's other species on the horizon that we
• 53:20
  Speaker 12: don't want here and we're working to prevent those as well.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Have you guys implemented like cat mandatory catch and kill
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: regulations and places we.
• 53:30
  Speaker 12: Have in this entire region. If you catch a pike,
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: you're required to kill it. You can kill it and
• 53:36
  Speaker 12: tooss it back or keep it if you want, but
• 53:39
  Speaker 12: you can't release it alive.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: Legally.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: You can kill it pickle it though, yep, yep.
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: Kill and pickle it, and I would recommend that they're
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: pretty good pickled.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Well, thanks for chatting with us today, Parker. That was
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: that was real informative.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for coming on, man, and I hope you
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: guys have some success with that, because you know, the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: world's gonna start no matter where you go. The world's
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: gonna become at risk of looking the same no matter
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: where you go. You know, crows and northern pike. Thanks man,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: appreciate it all right.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Thanks, appreciate it all right.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Are you allowed to go out of order?
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: You know there there are no rules. It's just a suggestion.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Can we do two questions then do the photo thing?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And because I saw two two questions, yeah, go for it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Someone asked about making venice and demigloss.
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: Oh I saw that one.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Absolute.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: Just make sure you leave some meat on the bones
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: because it's a little lean.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: If you don't, you.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Get a real blonde.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: If you you got to commit to the time involved, man,
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: but it's so worth it.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to commit to the time being involved.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Then you got to commit to later trying to get
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: that ring off your pot, because you're going to have
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: a ring of like something that looks like it would
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: have an industrial application, like a ring of sort of
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: like a POxy that forms. But you got to cook
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: it down to I mean picture that you're cooking it
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: down and cooking it down to the point where it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: like it's the consistency of cold maple syrup. Like when
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: you lay the back of a spoon in it and
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: lift it up. It's it's uh, it'll stick to that spoon,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: you know. And then I'll put it into ice cube trays.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: That's what I do because it's powerful. Throw one ice
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: cub worth and it's like a pine of stock.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But then later when you're having your supper, I'll
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: take maybe like two parts butter, one part demiglass, a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: little booze or a little wine or something. Yeah. Yeah, no,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: it works, good man, it works good.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: I like that you said supper, not enough people still
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: call it supper, dude.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I remember it was so funny as I remember when
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I went to graduate school, Okay, graduate school, I remember
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: making a conscious decision to stop saying something. Nobody said supper,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: nobody said suffer.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not it. That's not a West Coast thing.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I remember being like, man, how come these guys no
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: one says that's what? I switched to dinner? Yeah, yeah,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it about myself now, but
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I like consciously switched to dinner. So I thought it
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: made me. I was like, these guys don't know what
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: supper is. Oh, there's another question, Yeah, someone asked. I
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: saw a comment come up where there's a there's a
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: host Forrest Gallant, who oh yeah, is that true that
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: he said that?
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I can look it up though, says that he said
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be able to hunt bears because it's trophy hunting.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: M you know, you know what, here's a good thing
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: to go look at. There's about a guy, yeah, talked
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: about that bear that fell out of the man while
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: hunting in Virginia. So a guy was hunting Virginia and
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: they treat a bear. There's a tragedy. They treat a bear.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And we discussed this, so they treat a bear. Someone
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: shot the bear. A guy's dog got under and he
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: thought the bear was gonna land on the dog. He
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: went there to try to save his dog got hit
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: by the bear and it killed him. So naturally it
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: brings out all this commentary like oh he deserved it,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and all this terrible stuff.
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: Everybody's pretty nasty.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: I don't understand what trophy hunting has to do, like
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: it's just like.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean like bears are great to eat. Yeah,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I don't get it, Like like I killed deer and
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I have their I have deer skulls all over my damn.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know how true that is because I'm finding
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: for he's put he has videos of himself hunting bears online,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: so I don't I don't know where that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was wondering about it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe he had a change of heart. I don't know.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I was wondering, but I don't know. But but either way,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you know, what's a great line one of my there's
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: a Boone biography by Farreger mac Farreger, and then and
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: in the Boone Byer, if you by mac Ferreger, he's
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: talking about Venison and in uh venison and bear meat,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: and he says that on the American Frontier, bear meat
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: was for eating. Yeah, you shot deer, You shot deer
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: for leather, and when you got hunger, you shot bears.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Anyone who's ever eating a good all black bear
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: should try it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: Oh man, it's fatty and delicious. It's that's awesome.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: And you know, everything's got a trophy, man.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, some weasels.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Weasels got a little trophy.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: People are saying that he said it on his most
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: recent podcast, but I haven't heard that. I can't speak
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: to that. I don't think any any any of us
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: can right now.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird. It's a odd like you'd have
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: to really, you'd have to stay up for a few
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: days to find a way to justify that.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you still wouldn't.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: How do we do the fishing trip thing?
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: You say? Our next segment is called meat Eater Top Threes.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Our next segments called me the top threes.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: Phil Oh, okay.
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: Don't forget about this, brony.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I was waiting on these musical transitions. I
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: hadn't heard one yet.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: It's grateful, but really good Bill.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate it. And then yeah, Steve, if you look
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: at the script, then it's you. You continue a little
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: bit more and say, this week we are ranking our
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: three favorite fishing trips.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: So naturally, this week we're ranking our three favorite fishing trips. Maggie,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: you go first. What's your third most favorite memorable fishing trip.
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: So this was a fun trip down in Florida and
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: the golf. My my folks had just retired and they
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: spent three months airbnb hopping in Florida. Oh, they like
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: drove down with their lake boat and they had their
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: old town canoe on top of the truck. My mom
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: was like, we look like Beverly Hill Billy's going down here.
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: So I flew down there and hung out with them.
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: My dad and I went out with a guide for
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: a day and.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Then well then here you are in the canoe.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: We just took the canoe out and the mangroves. We
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: had a little trolling motor. We would u we would
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: paddle around some fly casting was kind of difficult, but uh,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: you know, spin and gear. I'd never caught red fish before.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: They're super fun fish to catch.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: And that's your old man in the canoe.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: That's my dad. Yeah, he's he's big on sun protection
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: and man, red fish on the half shell, Holy cow,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: that's a great fish to eat. I didn't really know
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: what the half shell thing meant. But when you cook
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: them up like that, it.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: Hardens up and it's scales.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: It's almost like chunks of crab out of there. Is amazing.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: I actually I just cooked up that red fish he
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: gave me this summer after. It was delicious fish. I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: didn't know you gave that fish to me.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: You can do that same thing with northern pike, yeah, can.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: Man, you're gonna have to catch something.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Cook northern you leave the scales on.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: You can do that and it forms that delicious slime
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: scrape and you get down to man, you're not going
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: to eat the skin.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Oh you know a trick on d slimemen. Those suckers
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: you ever put them in salt? From minute that ship
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: comes off.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: It's amazing how they keep producing it for.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Where's it coming from?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: All right?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Number two?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: I think we all do.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I'm we're going to do Brodie's Number three.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Oh well, this canna take forever.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: I tried to go fast.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: It's nine things to talk about.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: This is tough for me. Man, I've had a lot
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: of good things. I kind of concentrated on family trips
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: because they're the most fun these days. Uh, this is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: every couple of years. Uh, I got to go on
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: this vacation where my wife's family gets together for a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: family reunion down south, and it's kind of vacation where
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: people spend half the day on the beach and half
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: the day at the pool. And that that is tough
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: for me. So I always try and squeeze some fishing,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: and uh, we got into some that first picture, we
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: got into some dorado and kobea a few my I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: was out, And then the next picture we really got
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: into this speckled trout and white trout back in the sound,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: and uh, it was just a great trip.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: Did you gaff that thing while you had it on
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: the fly?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: The guy we're fishing with a guide we know down
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: there and he threw that gaff. He did the gaffing.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was my number three. Oh. I was
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: just here here, I'm holding the triple tail. I shot
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: with a spear gun. But this is just a placeholder.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: For the last bunch of years, handful of years I've
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: been going down and diving, uh, spearfishing the oil rigs
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: and the golf of Mexico, and uh, that's become not
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: my most favorite, but a favorite thing of mine to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: go do is do the oil rigs and uh with
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: that triple tail. It's funny because you have all this
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: murky brackish water that floats up top, and then you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: have this little band of clear water. So let's say
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: it's thirty feet deep. You'll have like twelve feet of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: muck that's on top. Then you'll have a four or
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: five foot band of water you can see, and then
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: you got all the bottom muck. And they call it
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: like the center of the oreo, and you hunt the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: center of the oreo. And it's funny because like fish
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: going to the center of the oreo, and this this
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: oreole center was about big enough for a person to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: lay horizontal in it. I'm not kidding you. It's like
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: a very narrow window of clear water. And I go
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: down and I find that narrow window of clear water
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: and I look and there's that sun bitch of tripletail
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: sitting there. And the last thing he thought was someone's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: gonna shoot it.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: You know, they lay sideways under like palettes and shit like,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: yeah he was.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: He was upright in the rig, upright in the rig,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: and I walked up to him like I was walking
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: up to you, you know, in no country for old man.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: When he gets the cop with that captive bolt gun. Yep,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: that was me and that fish.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: That's a big triple tail.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm done.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Maggie's number two, my number two.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: This is uh cool mountain fishing trip right in my
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: backyard and the winds went up there with my boyfriend.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: This is actually a very memorable fishing trip from a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: dumb mistake I made, which I'll get to.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: But uh so where is this, Maggie?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: Sorry, this is in the Winds.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know where that is.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: It is the wind River Range in Wyoming.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Ah, gotcha, this is the lingo. I'm not privy too,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: thank you.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: So we went in I think about sixteen or seventeen
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: miles one day and we sort of just made a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: big loop and fished our way around for a week
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: and came out another trailhead. It was awesome. My old
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: dog he was I think eleven there and he was
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: a trooper came the whole time. We uh yeah, caught cuddies, Brookies.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: It was just a really great trip. I brought this
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: little packet of like curry paste up with me. It
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: was like a single use packet and cooking fish over
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: the fire with some cur repast in the middle. Like
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: maybe you're just backcountry hungry, but holy moly, it was delicious.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: It was he like, didn't need butter anything. It was
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: really good. So the last day are it rained so
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: hard our our tent. It was like slapping a bag
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: of wind if you ever did that in your youthful days. Uh.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: So it rained harder than I'd ever seen it rain
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: in the winds. And we're walking out and I'm just
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: popping along, thinking about a cheeseburger and a cold beer
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: at the burger bar, and uh, you know, we're off
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: trail because there's a bunch of trees down and stuff.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: And I just took one bad step and uh there's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: a lot of swearing involved.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Looks like you took a bad step and got hit
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: by a truck.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: Was like, uh, you know, he was like, oh, I'll
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: just set up the tent. I'll leave you here. You know,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: I'll go get some horses and come back and get you.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: And I was so mad, I was, I'm walking out
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: of here. Got so I walked out nine miles on
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 8: a broken ankle, and I've got a plate and seven
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: screws to boot from it.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Wow, that looks painful.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: So watch your stuff out there, kids, all right?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Bro to your number two?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. A couple of years ago we go to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: Fort Peck usually every year for a Memorial Day weekend,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: and a couple of years ago we just had like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: the trip of trips, like for three days we could
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: do like no wrong on Walleye and Pike, like giant Walleye,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: Big Pike, and it was it was just like one
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: of the best fishing trips I've ever been on. Like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: the boys were just crushing big fish.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: It was just a lot of fun.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: You can also get your heart broken there too.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the year before it wasn't that great. Last
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: year it.
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  Speaker 2: Was just like the wind too.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but that we just like hit it perfectly
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: and it was just lake.
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  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: Steve, you want to do your you're number two?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Bring that up here.
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  Speaker 3: I think we all know this picture.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah one, uh, the one that got away. That
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: octopus still down there, still down there, still haunts me somehow.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out where he lives. Pushing the pot.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: I know where he lives. They don't move that much.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: We're going to tangle again, probably this August.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: That thing might be big enough to just drag your book.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Because I told you that what I learned about it,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: what the guy told me.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: A trick, a fishing TRICKIM.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: When you're fighting, having a fight with one, put a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: hook into him, yeah before then you fight with him,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: and when if he wins the fight, he just takes
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: off to the bottom, then you crank him back up
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: and fight with him again. You can fight him as
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: many times as you want because you got that hook
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: stuck in them. So next time I get him up
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to the boat, I'm putting a hook into him, or
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to drag his ass to the beach. I'm
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: just gonna drive to the beach. Just on the beach,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: he can stick to the bottom of the boat all
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: he wants, and then he's pretty soon it's gonna be
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: pinned between my boat bottom and the bank. I got
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: it all planned.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just imagining this being the last act of your life,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: like decades from now, and it's just you and the octopus.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: You both end up on a beach somewhere.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I would love to die fighting that octopus.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Great, Okay, let's go to Maggie's number number one.
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  Speaker 8: See what Oh my uh Nate, my boyfriend and my
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: good friend Emily and I took his awesome trip to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: Costa Rica pas Gios pesca dios se uh that rooster fish.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: I it fought so hard it was it was like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: tailing like a tarpain getting up and I was so spent,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: and the guys picked it up and handed it to me.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, man, I gotta do push ups
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: before my next saltwater fishing trip. I spent, But so
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: we went out a couple days with the guy. We
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: went out at the beginning of our trip. This is
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: like a two week trip. We just kind of bopped
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: around the Osa Peninsula and so we went out the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: first day and we crushed it on Dorato. So we
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 8: had a pile of fish that we just freeze and
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: carried around with us, and we went out. I think
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: it was like right before Christmas that first day. So
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: I think the next picture should be our Christmas feast.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: Oh that's a jack I caught off shore. We just
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: tossed poppers off the shore for jack and there were
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: brewster fish surfing in the waves. Really, it was incredible
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 8: just the diversity of fish we found. So this was
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 8: all Doroto. We've got like three different We've got like
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: two savices, a poke kind of like a crudo sashimi thing,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: some pan fried fish, uh, some kind of burnt fried plantains,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: and a embarrassing amount of Pillson's in the trash can
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: over there. But uh, but that was our Christmas feast.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: All in. The snapper was incredibly good eating.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: That's a mutton.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: Is that a coubrera?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: I think it's a small cubrera. The cubra was really tasty.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Those things get jagged, they get huge.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: We caught a bigger one, but that size was really
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: good eating. We actually, the one souvenir we brought back
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: from Costa Rica was this like metal dish that we
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: bought at one of the local stores so we could
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: cook those snapper fish in it. And that is a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: that's the one thing we brought home and I still
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: use it for cooking fish.
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  Speaker 3: Great, all right, Brody, you're number one.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 8: Hmm.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Every trip to the Fish Act is good. But last
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: year was like exceptionally good fishing. And the funny thing is,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: like a day or two before we got there, Steve
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: called me and he's like, man, they got some bad news.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: He's like, the fishing is really good, so it's bound
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: to end soon.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it comes in seven day waves.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: But we got there and it just kept going and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: going and going all week. Halibut, salmon, Pacific cod, lincott.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: It was just like a really good king salmon. It
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: was just a really really good week of fishing. And
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: it's just always a great time up there.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Great, all right, let's move on to Steve's number one here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that's yeah, that's a wooden hook, a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: traditional Native Alaskan coastal Native Alaskan fishing hook called a
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: knock knah. I was out with Heather Duville and her
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: father Mike, who lived in Craig, Alaska. Their cling it
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: and they took me out to fish. We were filming
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: my New History Channel show Hunting History, and one of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: the scenes we go out with them to fish with
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: traditional hooks. I had always seen these hooks everywhere you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: go in Southeast Alaska. One of these hooks is hanging
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: on the wall and I always thought two things. I thought,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: how do you set that thing? And two there's no
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: way that thing works. And we put a dozen of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: those hooks down. Let them fish for maybe two hours.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: You're baiting at with octopus, right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Baita with octopus. Her and her dad set out. They
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: always set them in pairs. They set them in pairs
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: so the hooks compete with each other. We set out
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: six pairs. Okay, they let them fish out of two hours.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe we let them sit for two hours. So twelve hooks,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: all set in the same area on the same bank,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: come back and had and had three three halbit all
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: seventy plus.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: So you're not like trugging.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: That hook floats. So that hook is tied to a rock.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: So there's a rock, and you had about eighteen inches
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: of the line, and that hook floats above the rock.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: It's buoyant and it's got two different woods, so it
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: floats the right way, and it's one of those what
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: he ate is wrapped an octopus. So he goes on
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: and they got a metal spike on there that winds
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: up catching them pointing back the other way. So they
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: were telling me that traditionally those hooks were made with bear,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: not metal, not stainless, but bear shinbone. Okay, So they
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: carved their own knocks and they put that stainless barb
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: on there, you know. But I when I got home,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I put out an email at looking for bear shinbones,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: and Corey's not here, gave me a bear shinbone. So
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I cut that bear shinbone up, and I made a
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: couple bear shin bone barbs, and that they had given
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: me one of those knocks, and I took the steel
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: spike off and put a bear shinbone. I made the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I did the whole thing. I dried it out real
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: good and then made it with a belt sander. So
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I made the prong and mounted that bear shinbone prong
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: and sent it back up the heather. And they're gonna
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: take it out and fish it cool, and seeing I
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna hold up nice. Yeah, I think it's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: gonna hold up. That was But that day, that was
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. Twelve hooks,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: three big hal but one of those sets had two.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: So seeing a halbit come up on a wooden hook
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: tied to a rock.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: That's why I mean a rock.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 8: I had seen those, but I always assumed they were
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: like trolled or something.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: It was cool as shit, man, I couldn't believe. You know.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: The other thing is when that fish is hooked on
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: that thing, he's just like they take him up real general.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: He's not fighting. It's like you got him, you got
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: him by the balls. When he's on that thing, man,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: they just come up the like I give up.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: And when when they're pulling him in, are they harpooner?
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: They just lift it up.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: And so he takes I learned so much shit about hell.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: But this day, when that fish comes up, he's got
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: a way. He hits it on its nose flop, just
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: stuns them, just stuns them, and you already pull big
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: hell in. The boat starts beating all around. It's gonna
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: like break fishing rides, and everybody's freaking out. They pet
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: it on the white side of the belly. You just
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: tickle its belly and they go rigid. And then I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: also learned I've been bleeding halbit all the way wrong.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: When they bleed a halibit, it's like it's like it's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: like a Quentin Tarantino movie. Yeah, where I can't explain it.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: You don't want to give away that dude, and they're
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: not sawing away. I mean they take that knife and
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: one little and it's like, like I said, it's like
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: a I didn't know there's so much blood in Albit.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: We bleed helbit, you get like a thimble. They bleed hell.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: But like I said, it looks like it's like it's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: like watching pulp fiction.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: Hmm.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a day, I bet. Thank you, Heather.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks guys. Okay, last last Q and a oh
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: exacting here and then we'll wrap up the shows here,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: last last call for questions. Get him in if you
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: want us. The first one's more of a comment, but
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: he thought you'd appreciate this. Steve Collins says that he
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: finally picked up a copy of The Scavenger's Guide to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Hook Cuisine from a used bookstore and the lower half
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: of the pages are covered in dried deer blood. So
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: that's great to let you know.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: That's great. How do you know it's dear blood?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: He says. Apparently someone whoever sold it to the store
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: wrote a note saying it was dear blood. Maybe maybe
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: he's just trying to cover it.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Well, that's classic murder. That's a classic murder move right there,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Cops get to your house. That's all dear blood boys.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Question for the crew, what do you think of shed
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: hunting area closures? Is it ethical or a pointless gesture?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: No, I think it makes sense, like in some place.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: It depends in some places. I think where you have
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Like I think if you got an area where you
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: got those incredible amounts of snow, and you got a
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: bunch of animals that are already stressed and half dead,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: and it's March, and they and instead of people hounding
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: them and chasing them around, get antlers. I see now
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: and then that it makes sense to tell everybody to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: hold off till until you produce the snow load and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the animals can move on.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: I totally agree because I live right in the middle
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 8: of a huge mule deer migration corridor. We've got elk
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: feed grounds, and if people could just go in there whenever,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: like those animals would be freaked out. Yeah, and the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: most stressful time of the year.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: You just don't need to be bumping them around at
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: the time of year when they're at their like the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: bottom of their health for the year. It's just like
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: too easy to run them down.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a saying winter, winter weekends, spring kills.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: You're hitting them at a bad time. And then and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: then two you always got to like the the problem
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: is too you always sometimes you got to make laws
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: for the worst actors. Yep, And you get people. It
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: sucks to say it, but you get people that run
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: after and chase after animals to get them to drop.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: Oh man. And like the shed Opener where I live,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: it's well, they actually have a week for locals now,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: which is nice because it's slowed it down a little bit.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: But like I walk my dog out on BLM every
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: day and I know the place is where the deer hold,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: and I avoid those places. You know, shed Opener, people
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: are just running around on four or five side by sides,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: like not on dirt roads. There's more people out there.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: I never see a soul out there, and they're just
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: all over the place, deer running around, freaking out like
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: it's always a big ordeal. So you know, there might
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: be something to having like one opening day being this
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 8: big event, but I think it's better than animals getting
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: chased around in the winter when they're already struggling. Pretty good.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Mitch is asking how long is too long to freeze
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: a skull before cleaning it to mount I.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 8: Had a deer skull in a Dave Sushi bag that
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: I forgot about in my garage when I lived in
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: a trailer. You're in Bozeman with my friend and Goes.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: I was wondering what was in that Dave Sushi bag
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: in the garage and I opened it up, and good lord,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: bagging that thing's rancid. I was like, Oh, don't worry,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: I'll boil it. It'll be fine.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that bone will never weaken in a freezer.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 10: Cool.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: I think you covered a lot of this stuff on
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: the podcast with most Steve, but this is the first
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: radio live since your new show Hunting History premiered. Uh
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: and Anthony's feeding into the conspiracy says, do you think
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: DV Cooper burned his parachute?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: No? I mean, no one knows, but I don't know.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: If you ever a mess with the parachute, that's a
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: They're a mess. They're a mess. I have to think
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: I think he stashed it. I think he stuck it somewhere.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think he carried it around. I think he
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: buried it somewhere. You know, after messing with one, like
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: you stick that thing under log and jam it under
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: there and throw some moss and stuff. You have to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: just you have to like dig in the right.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: Spot, especially in that environment.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think he carried it around. I think it
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: would have been a bit in the rain.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: Greg's asking thoughts on Colorado non resident elk bow tags
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. Do you think the old over
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: the counter units will be zero points? He's trying to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: build confidence. He wasn't over the counter guy that wasn't
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: smart enough to save up his points.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: I think I think it was a necessary move as
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: much as people don't want to hear it. And the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: point thing is going to be very unit dependent. Some
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: units they'll you'll need points and some you won't. Just
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: depends how many tags they issue.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Cool. I could do this all day, Phil, I like
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: these questions.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, this is officially the longest episode of Radio Live.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: We can keep going stop.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool, thanks the questions, guys, appreciate it is
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: the part where you wrap up the show, Steve, you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: say anything else you want to say?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Brody, wrap it up.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: How about I wrap it up by telling you to
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: talk about your little history tour you're doing.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so me and Randall tour is a little
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: someone pointed out, the tours seems a little it's a
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: little heavy.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: Guess what.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: Randal and Seth are still in the waiting room. Hey, guys,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: what's going on with.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Me and Randall? Here's the deal, Me and Randall is there?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Me know the dates off the top of their head.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: The eleventh and Bozeman.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Me and Randall are going on a mini tour college.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: We're going on a college tour. We're going to college
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: campuses and doing a free lecture about the mountain Man
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: era we're doing. We're doing one at Montana State University.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: We're doing one at University of Montana, and.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: We're doing twentieth. Sorry, I'm trying to stick the dates.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: In there for okay.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Montana State University February eleventh.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: University of Montana February twentieth.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: University of Wyoming February twenty sixth. Yeah, it's free, open
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  Speaker 2: a register. You can't just show up. You gotta like
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  Speaker 2: tell your comings so we can so people don't show
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  Speaker 2: up and there's no seats, and I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 2: many of them still have seats, but like I said,
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  Speaker 2: come on down. Me and Randall on stage telling the
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  Speaker 2: story of the Mountain Men and what that era meant
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  Speaker 2: and means.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna come down here next week maybe if you
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  Speaker 2: need to find out.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks everyone,