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NOTORIUS BALI SUITCASE KILLER KILLS U.S. GIRLFRIEND'S MOM WITH FRUIT BOWL, STUFFS HER IN LUGGAGE, WALKS FREE TO ENJOY LIFE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember the evil daughter Heather Mack. Heather Mac
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  Speaker 2: had police called multiple times. I'm talking a dozen times
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  Speaker 2: to her mom's Upscill home because she was beating and
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  Speaker 2: terrorizing her mother. That fed her with a silver spoon,
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  Speaker 2: gave her every advantage possible. Yes, her, Heather Mack. Her
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  Speaker 2: mother was found contorted squashed into a suitcase using blood
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  Speaker 2: in Bali at a taxi stand. Needless to say dead.
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  Speaker 2: But Heather Mack didn't murder her own mother all by herself.
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  Speaker 2: She had her lover helper, the infamous Bali suitcase killer
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  Speaker 2: who killed his American girlfriend Heather Mack's mother with a
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  Speaker 2: fruit bowl and stuffed her inside a suitcase. Why so
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  Speaker 2: the two of them minions from hell could get a
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  Speaker 2: hold of mom's two million dollars trust fund. He has
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  Speaker 2: walked free, and he says he plans to enjoy life.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm always surprised. You'd think by now I
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  Speaker 2: would be a completely jaded heart of stone, But I'm
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  Speaker 2: always surprised. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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  Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. His name
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  Speaker 2: is Tommy Schaeffer and he just walked out of Corobican
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  Speaker 2: prison about twelve pm, after just about half of the
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  Speaker 2: sentence to which he was sentenced for the brutal murder
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  Speaker 2: of his then girlfriend, Heather Max Mother. I'm just I'm disgusted.
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  Speaker 2: As he walked out of prison, he proudly announced he
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  Speaker 2: was feeling quote happy and that he plans to quote
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  Speaker 2: enjoy life now. The victim in this case a beautiful mom.
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  Speaker 2: Sheila Weiss Mac booked a vacation with her teen daughter Heather.
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  Speaker 2: It was a luxury vacation at the famous Saint Regis
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  Speaker 2: resort in Bali. She wanted to try and mend her
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  Speaker 2: fractured relationship with her Hellian daughter that beat her up
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  Speaker 2: all the time. Sheila's friends were afraid for her life
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  Speaker 2: because of her daughter. She was just abusive technical legal
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  Speaker 2: term e F and bright. Oh who said that? Oh
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  Speaker 2: it was me. I can't even blame Jackie for that.
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  Speaker 2: Sheila had hoped the trip would repair their relationship. Their
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  Speaker 2: tensions had escalated. You know, I said a dozen or
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  Speaker 2: dozen times police were called to their suburban Chicago home
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  Speaker 2: eighty times. Eighty times with the daughter beating the mom.
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  Speaker 2: I'm announcet to Sheila, her daughter helly and secretly invited
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  Speaker 2: her boyfriend Tommy Shaffer, using her mother's credit card to
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  Speaker 2: buy a twelve thousand dollars first class flight for Shaeffer.
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  Speaker 1: What started this turn of events? Take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: Two neighbors who did not want to go on camera
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  Speaker 3: tell me that Sheila von Wee Smac lived inside this
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  Speaker 3: oak park holme for many, many years, but she moved
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  Speaker 3: about a year ago, selling it to a developer. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this morning, neighbors here are horrified to hear of her murder.
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  Speaker 3: Police officials say that remains were stuff into a suitcase
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  Speaker 3: and found on the Indonesian resort island of Bali. The
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  Speaker 3: discovery was made Tuesday. The body was inside the trunk
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  Speaker 3: of a taxi parked in front of the upscale Saint
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  Speaker 3: Regis Hotel. She was half naked with wounds to her head,
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  Speaker 3: according to police.
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  Speaker 1: Half naked, beaten about the head. Her bloody bodies crammed
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  Speaker 1: into a suitcase and left outside of a hotel. I
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  Speaker 1: bet the same Regis wasn't too happy to see a
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  Speaker 1: suitcase with blood easing out. You were just hearing reporter
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Denofrio ABC seven. We're talking about the murdered victim,
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  Speaker 1: But who was the murdered victim in life? Sheila Vanuis
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  Speaker 1: Mack take a listen to our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 4: Friends described sheilav On Weissmack as a lovely and cultured woman,
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  Speaker 4: well connected politically. Before her marriage, she was a political
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  Speaker 4: science student at Simmons College in Boston. She took a
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  Speaker 4: job working for Senator Ted Kennedy doing research and other jobs.
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  Speaker 4: She told friends she even poured tea for Rose Kennedy
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  Speaker 4: a time or two. After leaving Senator Kennedy's camp, Sheila
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  Speaker 4: went to work for Jackie Kennedy. While studying for a
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  Speaker 4: PhD at the University of Chicago, she was friends with
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  Speaker 4: famed novelist Saul Bellow, who was awarded a pular surprise,
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  Speaker 4: the Nobel Prize for Literature and the National Medal of Arts.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty impressive. So that's the mom that's found
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  Speaker 1: stuffed in a suitcase. But who is Heather Mack's father?
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: James Mack was a well known educator, composer, and arranger.
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  Speaker 4: He first taught jazz studies at Crane Junior College, Chicago's
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  Speaker 4: oldest city college. Mack is credited for teaching a generation
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  Speaker 4: of up and coming musicians who would go on to
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  Speaker 4: become internationally famous, including some of the founding members of
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  Speaker 4: Earth Wind and Fire and others who were longtime session
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  Speaker 4: players for Muddy Waters, BB King, Phil Collins, and others.
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  Speaker 4: He also moonlighted and arranger and producer for record labels
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  Speaker 4: including Chess Capital and Columbia, and served as a guest
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  Speaker 4: conductor for the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. Mac already had a
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  Speaker 4: son and four daughters by two previous marriages when he
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  Speaker 4: married Sheila Vaughan Weiss, twenty two years his junior, at
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  Speaker 4: the age of sixty six, despite having health problems, Mac
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  Speaker 4: became a new dad.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So both parents brilliant in their own way. She
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  Speaker 1: a very cultured, sophisticated, educated woman married to a jazz star,
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  Speaker 1: a composer, and a ranger. You know, before I introduced
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  Speaker 1: the whole panel, I just got to ask if, Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: director of the Cole Case Research Institute and forensics expert,
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  Speaker 1: how can two such wonderful, brilliant parents have a devil
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  Speaker 1: spawn like Heather Mack? How does that happen?
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  Speaker 5: This is a very unusual case. It's a very unusual situation.
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  Speaker 5: Normally you do not see this in a homicide case
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  Speaker 5: of this magnitude.
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  Speaker 1: So we know about the mom, we know about the dad.
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  Speaker 1: What about the area? Where did this child who turns
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  Speaker 1: into a killer. Let me tell you match side, killing
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  Speaker 1: your mother is very very rare parenticide. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: The mac Holme was well known by Oak Park Police.
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  Speaker 4: Between January two thousand and four and June twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 4: officers responded to eighty six calls on a variety of charges,
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  Speaker 4: including domestic violence, theft, missing person, and nine one one
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  Speaker 4: hang ups. The relationship between mother and daughter was tenuous.
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  Speaker 4: Cook County Juvenile records show that Heathermack was arrested in
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  Speaker 4: December twenty eleven on domestic battery, aggravated battery, and battery
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  Speaker 4: charges involving violence against her mother. Many of the calls
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  Speaker 4: before this incidents included alleged physical violence against Sheila von
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  Speaker 4: weissmac such as biding, punching, and reports say one incident
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  Speaker 4: caused the mom to break her arm. A guilty verdict
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  Speaker 4: landed Heather Mack in mandatory counseling with a focus on
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  Speaker 4: anger management.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA why did they call it a tenuous relationship between
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  Speaker 1: mother and daughter. This girl has beaten the hgul out
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  Speaker 1: of her own mother. Did you hear that? Eighty six
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  Speaker 1: calls to the home. And this is a very richy area.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mansion there. I said it, beautiful area. No
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  Speaker 1: crime that we know of. Eighty six calls. And when
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  Speaker 1: you hear domestic matter, you usually think it's the husband
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  Speaker 1: or the male partner beating up the wife. It's the daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Heather Mack beating on mom. Let me introduce you our
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  Speaker 1: all star panel. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red
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  Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon. You can find her at wendypatrickphd dot
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  Speaker 1: com or on Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ and San
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  Speaker 1: Diego Doctor Jory Crossin, psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University, Research consultant,
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  Speaker 1: author of so S Stop Stop Officers Suicide. Cheryl McCollough,
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  Speaker 1: Founder Director, Coldcase Research Institute, forensics expert. You can find
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  Speaker 1: her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: But first to Christy Missourich, Emmy award winning investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: joining us from crime online dot Com. Christie Masurich. Why wait,
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  Speaker 1: let me understand this. So there have been eighty six
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  Speaker 1: nine on one calls to this mansion where the victim,
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  Speaker 1: Shilivon wes Mac lives with the daughter, but the mom
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  Speaker 1: still wants to mend bridges with the devil daughter and
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  Speaker 1: take her on an all expense paid trip to Bali.
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  Speaker 1: What is it true, Christie Missourich, that Sheila's friend said,
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  Speaker 1: don't take her on a vacation, don't be alone with her.
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  Speaker 6: They were very concerned and family friends kept pleading with her,
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  Speaker 6: keep her here in the States, let her walk away.
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  Speaker 6: She was eighteen years old at the time. Heather always
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  Speaker 6: maintained it was her mother who created the dysfunctional, codependent
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  Speaker 6: love hate relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Really who had the broken arm?
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  Speaker 6: Right? She blamed her mom for what she claims was
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  Speaker 6: drunken squandering of her father's estate after he died from
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  Speaker 6: cancer when she was about ten years old.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, because later on she claims her mother murdered her father. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: he died of cancer.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to reporter Matt Doraan and Chris Hansen
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  Speaker 1: at Crime Watch daily.
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  Speaker 8: She was becoming very defiant and wanting to listen to
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  Speaker 8: any rules. And Sheila and I had many, many talks,
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  Speaker 8: and you know, I said, you know, there's a reason
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  Speaker 8: the term trouble teen is out there.
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  Speaker 7: But did Heather's troubles go beyond that of a normal teen?
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  Speaker 7: She started skipping school, hanging out with a rougher crowd,
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  Speaker 7: and even began stealing large sums of money from her
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  Speaker 7: own mom.
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  Speaker 9: What did Sheila tell you about what was going on
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  Speaker 9: behind Clestolus?
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  Speaker 10: Though she told me that she was being abused by Heather.
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  Speaker 10: I mean she was constantly being attacked physically, and Heather
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  Speaker 10: had an explosive temper.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, so called suitcase and murderer
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  Speaker 2: Tommy Shaeffer killed his American girlfriend, Heather Max's mother with
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  Speaker 2: a fruit bowld stuffed inside a suitcase has walked free.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the facts like it happened yesterday. Heather matt
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  Speaker 2: Well absolutely right in hell unless she begs forgiveness and
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  Speaker 2: changes her ways, which I see no indication that's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. I'm announce to Shila her daughter secretly invited
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  Speaker 2: her boyfriend Tommy Shaeffer using her mother's credit card to
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  Speaker 2: buy a twelve thousand dollars first class flight for Shaeffer.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of kicking her out, she decides to take her
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  Speaker 1: to mend Bridges on an all expense pay trip to Balie.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that to me, Dr Jory, mother's.
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  Speaker 11: Love is unconditional, boy, that's for sure, and unfortunately is deadly.
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  Speaker 11: You know, She's trying to do the best she can
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  Speaker 11: as far as, like you say, mending that relationship and thinking,
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  Speaker 11: maybe if I can just get away with her and
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  Speaker 11: relax and spend some time with her and maybe talk
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  Speaker 11: things out.
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  Speaker 1: Following up on what Doctor Jory Crosin just said, Sheila
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  Speaker 1: trying desperately to get her daughter to a different environment.
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  Speaker 1: Some are beautiful, some are calm and relaxing, joyful. What's
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  Speaker 1: more beautiful than Balie. I mean, I've never been there,
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  Speaker 1: but I've looked at pictures and it just seems like
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  Speaker 1: heaven on earth. So she spends a ton of money
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  Speaker 1: to take her daughter away, just the two of them,
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  Speaker 1: mother daughter, It would.
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  Speaker 11: Be a great environment to start mending and starting the
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  Speaker 11: healing process in that relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, she sure got a surprise when she got there.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chris Hansen and Crimewatch Dealingmy.
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  Speaker 7: Sheef, Heather's boyfriend suddenly arrived on the twelve thousand dollars
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  Speaker 7: flight from Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: She had no idea Tommy was coming.
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  Speaker 7: Sheila had wanted Heather to come on the trip to
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  Speaker 7: get her away from people she considered bad influences.
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  Speaker 10: The last person in the world she wanted to see
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  Speaker 10: in Belli. It was so then the question is, well,
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  Speaker 10: how did you get there? I mean, it's twelve thousand
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  Speaker 10: dollars for an airplane.
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  Speaker 7: In addition to the room he'd been singing, Tommy's entire
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  Speaker 7: trip was being financed by a credit card Heather had
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  Speaker 7: taken from her mom. All accounts Sheila was living.
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  Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Christy Mazurich Jordan Us on crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com. Who is this guy?
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  Speaker 6: He is the love of Heather max life. That would
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  Speaker 6: get her thrown in jail. Tommy Schafer kind of a
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  Speaker 6: street thug from He's from an affluent family, but he
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  Speaker 6: liked to hang kind of with some thuggy type of
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  Speaker 6: people in downtown Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get that. What is that? Cheryl McCollum, You
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  Speaker 1: and I have seen that many times. Let me go
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  Speaker 1: to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutors, author of Red Flags and
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  Speaker 1: host of Today with Doctor Wendy. Wendy, I've seen that
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  Speaker 1: where teen's children are born with a silver spoon.
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  Speaker 12: In their mouth.
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  Speaker 1: Their parents bend over backwards to do everything they can
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  Speaker 1: for them, but they want to hang out with us
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  Speaker 1: ugs and go get in trouble. That's more fun than
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  Speaker 1: going to a recital or a prayer meeting. Now they
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  Speaker 1: want to hang out with the bad guys.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, bad boys and dark heroes and learning that bad
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  Speaker 13: company corrupts character, as we say. And you know, my
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  Speaker 13: parents used to say, show me your friends and I'll
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  Speaker 13: show you your future. I think we should still see
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  Speaker 13: that today because this kind of dynamic is very common,
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  Speaker 13: and it's not just common with young teens. You know,
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  Speaker 13: we wish that this would be something and somebody would
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  Speaker 13: grow out of. But what cases like this illustrate is
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  Speaker 13: this permeates culture sometimes even when people are young adults,
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  Speaker 13: and god forbid, even when we become adults.
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  Speaker 1: You mean, you gravitate toward that fingali type person, the
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  Speaker 1: life of the party, the dangerous one. Is that something
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  Speaker 1: in human nature, you know.
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  Speaker 13: In human nature we tend to see that in some
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  Speaker 13: types of personalities. It is certainly not something universal that
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  Speaker 13: everybody needs to worry about. But when you see this
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  Speaker 13: kind of a pattern, and when you see this kind
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  Speaker 13: of a pattern despite the upbringing that this young woman had,
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  Speaker 13: you have to wonder how did this start? What role
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  Speaker 13: did you know the socialization process plan it? Or is
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  Speaker 13: this just somebody who preferred that kind of a dangerous,
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  Speaker 13: living on the edge lifestyle. Whatever the explanation is, we
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  Speaker 13: certainly know how it turned out here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl McCollum, You and I have been in
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  Speaker 1: court a lot of times together, and I have seen
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  Speaker 1: where children, teens, adults, with every advantage in the world
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  Speaker 1: gravitate toward what is dark and evil and end up
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  Speaker 1: getting dragged down with it.
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  Speaker 12: No question.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes that criminal element is just sexier, it's a more
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  Speaker 5: interesting story. It's kind of living on the edge, and
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  Speaker 5: it's got this thrill to it. A lot of people
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  Speaker 5: get kind of sucked into that. But I think it's
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  Speaker 5: important to talk about the eighty six times police were involved.
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  Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with the boyfriend. This is
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  Speaker 5: her nathe. If you were talking about eighty six robberies
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  Speaker 5: or eighty six, d UIs, we would be losing our
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  Speaker 5: mind while this person was not in jail.
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  Speaker 1: We'll tell you why she wasn't in jail. The mother
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  Speaker 1: never wanted her prosecuted. She would beat the mother up,
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  Speaker 1: This wealthy, cultured, educated mom. Her daughter would beat her
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  Speaker 1: to smithereens, but she didn't want her daughter to have
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  Speaker 1: a jail record. Finally the police insisted and she was
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  Speaker 1: found guilty of abusing her own mother. Oh, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: putting the onus on the boyfriend. She sawt this out herself,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right, she had horns sprouting from day one
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  Speaker 1: before she met the boyfriend. But it is quite the
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  Speaker 1: co inkydent right that just ten hours after the boyfriend's
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  Speaker 1: plane touches down, we got problems. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Matt Dran and Chris Hansen Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 7: Ten hours after the wheels of Tommy's plane hit the
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  Speaker 7: ground and Bolli, surveillance cameras capture him entering Sheila's hotel
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  Speaker 7: room with the handle of a metal fruit bowl stuffed
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  Speaker 7: under his shirt. About an hour after that, Heather and
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  Speaker 7: Tommy are seen heading to the lobby with a silver suitcase,
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  Speaker 7: which they placed in the back of a taxi before
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  Speaker 7: running off. It's not until the driver takes the abandoned
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  Speaker 7: luggage to the police station that they find out was
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  Speaker 7: inside the bloodied, half naked body of Sheila von Weismack.
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  Speaker 7: She had been bludgeed repeatedly before asphyxiating on her own blood.
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  Speaker 7: So where were Tommy and Heather.
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  Speaker 12: For just less than a diet?
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  Speaker 9: The media pinted his pair as a modern day Bonnie
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  Speaker 9: and Clyde, young American fugitives wanted for a particularly brutal murder,
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  Speaker 9: but the time on the run were in Shia at
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  Speaker 9: this budget motel less than a mile from the crime scene,
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  Speaker 9: star fluting police after becoming suspicious that the lovers had
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  Speaker 9: checked in without any luggage.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, professor Frezick Jacksonville State University and author
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  Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet? Joe Scott, how did this
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  Speaker 1: loving mother who sacrificed so much? How does she actually die?
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  Speaker 1: And then I want to talk to you about the
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  Speaker 1: phenomena that you and I have encountered many times of
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  Speaker 1: stuffing bodies in suitcases.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, let me painting a picture for you, Nancy. And
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  Speaker 14: in the report that was given forth by the forensic
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  Speaker 14: expert at the hospital. Keep in mind, this is not
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  Speaker 14: like being in America. They're in Bali, Okay. But the
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  Speaker 14: report that came came from there states that not only
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  Speaker 14: was she beaten about the head, Nancy, she's beaten about
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  Speaker 14: the face. And you want to know what that says
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  Speaker 14: to me? She saw this coming, She was looking. She
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  Speaker 14: was looking for as long as she could. She probably
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  Speaker 14: wound up being blinded, either by her own blood or
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  Speaker 14: maybe maybe her her optic nerves became dislodged. But she
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  Speaker 14: had an awareness. Her facial bones were fractured, her skull
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  Speaker 14: has been fractured, and Nancy, I'll tell you how else.
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  Speaker 14: I note that she had an awareness. She had fractures
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  Speaker 14: on her arms, in her hands, multiple contusions otherwise known
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  Speaker 14: as bruising. And her cause of death, remember what the
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  Speaker 14: what was just said, she actually suffocated, Nancy. When she suffocated,
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  Speaker 14: more than likely and this is just MEO Pine in here.
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  Speaker 14: Her facial bones were fractured, so she would have literally
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  Speaker 14: inhalated the bone and the blood that we can normally,
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  Speaker 14: you know, we can normally process something that it might
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  Speaker 14: be in our mouth or our airway. We can. But
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  Speaker 14: she was so debilitated but still clinging to life. And
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  Speaker 14: so when they went to do the autopsy on her
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  Speaker 14: and they opened up her airway, Nancy, her lungs would
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  Speaker 14: not only have been filled with her own blood in
• 21:11
  Speaker 14: the tiny little airsacks, you would have sent fragmented pieces
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  Speaker 14: of bone in there potentially as well.
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  Speaker 12: It would have been.
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  Speaker 14: An excrucy, excruciating way to die. It is just beyond
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  Speaker 14: the pale. This gives an indication of the level of violence.
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  Speaker 14: And Nancy, I'm going to I don't want to bury
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  Speaker 14: the lead here, but I gotta tell you I know
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  Speaker 14: where you're going with this. He came down there with
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: specific intent. He flew down there. They had a plan.
• 21:38
  Speaker 14: This was premeditated. He went down there as an assassin.
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  Speaker 14: He assassinated this poor little.
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  Speaker 1: Woman, Yes he did, with her own daughter leading the attack.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And then the horror of you know what. I remember
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  Speaker 1: going to a circus with the twins on the big one, Barnum,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Barnum and Bailey, and there was a contortionist. There were
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  Speaker 1: two of them, I think they were sisters, and they
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  Speaker 1: could wrap their bodies like they would fold them up.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: They'd fold up their body and go in a suitcase
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  Speaker 1: and close the suit. It was a box, a suitcase,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and we couldn't believe it because it's very small. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I remember thinking, how did she do that? And now
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this mom, her body being crunched and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: folded over and crammed into a suitcase. How did that happen?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Listen to Alex Perez GMA this.
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  Speaker 15: Morning, A gruesome discovery near the upscale Saint Regis Resorts
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  Speaker 15: in Bali is selling shock waves from there all the
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  Speaker 15: way here to Chicago. The authorities finding the body of
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  Speaker 15: ationing American Shila Vanuismac stuffed inside this silver suitcase.
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  Speaker 12: The luggage left in the.
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  Speaker 15: Trunk of this cab contained for questioning now camera Mac's
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  Speaker 15: own nineteen year old daughter, Heather, and her boyfriend, Tommy Shaeffer.
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  Speaker 12: Heather Mac and Shaeffer were arrested Wednesday at a hotel
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  Speaker 12: about six miles away from the resorts, telling investigators they
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: had escaped after being kidnapped by armed gang members who
• 23:25
  Speaker 12: murdered her mother, But investigators say surveillance video shows the
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  Speaker 12: mother and daughter arguing in the hours before the murder.
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  Speaker 15: Later, police ate the young couple called for a taxi,
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  Speaker 15: placing several suitcases inside before going back in the hotel
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  Speaker 15: to check out. They said when they didn't return, hotel
• 23:42
  Speaker 15: security discovered the suitcase.
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  Speaker 1: So they put their mom's body crunched up, folded up
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  Speaker 1: into a suitcase, stick it and leave it out front
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  Speaker 1: for a taxi to put into the taxi, and then
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: they go into check out and run my understanding, as
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I guess, through the woods to get away out in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the back door, literally running out the back door to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: get away to you, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. The way they treated her body, folding
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: her up, literally folding her up and stuffing her in
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the suitcase. I wonder if Heather Max sat on top
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  Speaker 1: of it while the boyfriend managed to close it.
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  Speaker 13: It is more grotesque than that.
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  Speaker 5: They used tape to wrap around her to hold her
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: in place so that she would fit. So this took
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: some time and it was bloody. It was a horrific scene.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: You can even see on the outside of the luggage
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: when they take the garbage bag off, it's just saturated.
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  Speaker 13: With her blood.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're so used to analyzing evidence, Wendy Patrick,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that when you hear or a comment like that, the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: suitcase was saturated with the mother's blood. A lot of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: times we just you know, make a note of it
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: because we're going to use that in closing statement. Think
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: about that for a moment, though, Wendy the suitcase was
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: saturated with her mother's blood. She bound her mother with
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a duct tape, her body folded over and contorted to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: fit into a suitcase.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, you know what that tells me. And what you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: even as a human being haven't been a prosecutor for
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: so many years, is the amount of time that the
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: mother suffered. I don't think anyone can think through what
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: happened here, even if you were just to hear about
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: the injuries and not feel how long that mother suffered,
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: and at the hands of her own daughter, who she
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: loved enough to forgive all of those years of abuse.
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: So eighty six calls took the house. You know, the
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: mother's love, the family first mentality for this mother ended
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: up being fatal.
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  Speaker 8: To you.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jory crass In, psychologist, faculty Saint Leo, author, doctor jury.
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  Speaker 1: What does that tell you about how she considered her mother?
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  Speaker 11: You know the level of violence, there's always the close relationship.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, you can just about There's been a lot
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: of research to show that, you know, the more violence,
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: the closer the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with Joe that you know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: The boyfriend showed up over there with a plan to
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: killer and when they got together, Heather and the boyfriend,
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: you know, there's energy, but there's also what's called synergy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: I mean, it just synergizes this level of violence. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: it's documented in all the wounds to the body and
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: how vicious the attack was.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: And I want to go to you, Joscott Morgan. Patricide
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  Speaker 1: is very very rare, actually, especially the murder of your
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: own mother.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, it is, and it's not something that you come
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: across every day. I've worked cases in my career, and
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: you know, Nancy, I got to tell you those cases
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: that I have worked when you begin to rate them,
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: and this is only my little slice of the world,
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: my little slice, but from what I have observed, those
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: were traditionally some of the most violent cases that I
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: ever encountered.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Sheilla's actual death was asphyxiation from drowning in her own
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: blood after Tommy Schaeffer hits her over the head with
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: a fruit bowl while her own daughter placed her hand
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: over her mother's mouth. They folded up the body I
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: don't know how wants to put it, and stuffed it
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: in a suitcase left it in the trunk of a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: taxi outside the Saint Regis resort using blood. The police
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: discovered the suitcase and traced it back to the hotel.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Of course, inside was Sheila's body. A nationwide search was
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: launched and the two were soon located at another hotel.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: The two idiots had booked it using Sheila's credit card.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I mean no shame.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Well that's not all. Take a listen to Less Trent
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: from Inside Edition.
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: Don't regret killing my mother, And as evil as that
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: may sound, that's my reality.
• 28:43
  Speaker 17: A chilling confession from behind bars by the American heiress
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  Speaker 17: who murdered her wealthy mother on vacation in Bali.
• 28:50
  Speaker 16: I made it up in my heart, in my mind, soul,
• 28:57
  Speaker 16: my blood, oxygen running through my body.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to kill my mother.
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: Now listen to why.
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: Twenty one year old Heather Mack says she beat her
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: mom to death and stopped her body in a suitcase.
• 29:12
  Speaker 16: When I was ten, my mother killed my father in
• 29:15
  Speaker 16: a hotel in Athens.
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: Grease could Heather be making up the story.
• 29:19
  Speaker 17: We spoke to family friend Elliott Jacobsen, who says Heather's
• 29:23
  Speaker 17: claims are nonsense.
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: It's the kind of statement that doesn't even warn the response.
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: It's such an absurdity.
• 29:30
  Speaker 17: He showed me this death certificate for Heather's father, James Mack.
• 29:34
  Speaker 17: It gives the cause of death as pulmonary embolism, a
• 29:38
  Speaker 17: blood clot in the lungs.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You were hearing not only our friend lest Trend Inside Edition,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: but you're hearing Heather Mack saying she does not regret
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: murdering her mother. She gives justification that her mother murdered
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: her father when she was ten in Athens, Greece. That
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: could not be further from the truth. You hear the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: family friend, Elliott Jacobson saying that that was not his
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: cause of death. The father's cause of death was a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: pulmonary embolism, a blood clot and the lungs brought about
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: through a battle with cancer. So even now she's fabricating
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: stories to justify murdering her mother, it shows me that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: there is no remorse, no acceptance of her crime. Okay,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: let's take a listen to more of what we've learned.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Here's Matt Duran and Chris Hansen at Crime Watch Daily.
• 30:32
  Speaker 12: Does the evidence support Heather's version of events.
• 30:36
  Speaker 18: It's one thing, in the heat of the moment, in
• 30:38
  Speaker 18: a violent exchange, to kill your own mother, But it's.
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: Another thing entirely to map it out and for this
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: to have been premeditated. So which was it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 19: In my head?
• 30:56
  Speaker 18: The police say, there's a series of text messages here
• 30:59
  Speaker 18: that we show that which go to that very modi
• 31:02
  Speaker 18: of free meditation. I'm sure, yes, of course you want
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: to call me back.
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: That call never came.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: We would lose contact with Heather after those final words.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It shows premeditation. Cheryl McCollum. The text messages between her
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend. It's just like doctor Drury said, he
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: came there as an assassin and now she's going to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: walk free. I only worry about what's going to happen
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to the baby.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about that, Nancy, because I think that's
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of her motivation. So she originally tried to
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: ask her boyfriend, hey, do you know somebody that can
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: kill my mother for fifty thousand dollars. Then I think
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: the two of them decided, hey, we can say fifty
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: gree and do it ourselves and collect everything all the inheritance.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: She right now, she wants that baby.
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: Back with her.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: She's lying.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: She says she's.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Worried that the baby's going.
• 32:01
  Speaker 13: To find out why she's in prison.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: The baby visits both of her parents in separate prisons
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: for murder. The baby's gonna know why they were there.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: That's a given.
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  Speaker 12: And this is what I think.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: She won't that baby back in Chicago with her because
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: her daughter inherited her mother's estate.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our friends at NBC five. Chicaga.
• 32:26
  Speaker 20: St. Charles based attorney Vanessa Favia has represented Mac and Stella.
• 32:31
  Speaker 19: She's definitely more mature now and being a mother has
• 32:34
  Speaker 19: changed her drastically, So I think she's going to come
• 32:37
  Speaker 19: back with a new lease on life and definitely a
• 32:41
  Speaker 19: better person all around.
• 32:42
  Speaker 20: Max's uncle Bill Weese tells NBC five he has not
• 32:45
  Speaker 20: had contact with Heather and does not want to, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 20: he says he believes Heather's original ten year sentence was a.
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: Travesty of justice.
• 32:53
  Speaker 20: Still, he says the family's hearts continue to go out
• 32:55
  Speaker 20: to Stella and they hope she can be raised in
• 32:58
  Speaker 20: a safe and loving environment.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Everyone she would know in America now was friends with
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: her mother that she murdered. As far to you, Joskytt Morgan,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know how she sleeps at night thinking back
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: on the way she murdered her mother, duct taped her
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: body into a ball to stick her into a suitcase.
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  Speaker 14: I have no idea because you know what, I see
• 33:20
  Speaker 14: her cycling back into violence. This is not like something
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: that just fell from lightning, like lightning from heaven. This
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: is a premeditated event. This woman is evilness.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Well, there were the eighty six phone calls to police.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Those were just the cause to belice. How many other
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: times did she batter her mother? And as far as
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: maturing behind bars doctor Jory Cross and she says, I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: don't regret murdering my mother, then makes up a story
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that her mom is the killer, that it's her mother's fault.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: She's dead in a suitcase.
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: That's all justification for her, that's all that is.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I am stunned and appalled that Tommy Shaeffer is walking.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: The good news is the US is extra dieting his Sorry,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: we're in to the US where he will face charges
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of conspiracy to kill a US national while overseas and
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: tampering with evidence. The gruesome thought there that evidence was
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Sheila's body. We wait as justice unfolds, and may it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: be swift. Nancy Grace signing off