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Why North Wales Should Be on Every UK Itinerary: Hidden Gems, Castles & Coastal Scenery · UK Travel Planning

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the UK Travel Planning Podcast.
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Your host is the founder of the UK Travel Planning website, tracy Collins.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: In this podcast, tracy shares destination guides, travel tips and itinerary ideas, as well as interviews with a variety of guests who share their knowledge and experience of UK travel to help you plan your perfect UK vacation.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Join us as we explore the UK from cosmopolitan cities to quaint villages, from historic castles to beautiful islands, and from the picturesque countryside to seaside towns.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: Hi and welcome to episode 52 of the UK Travel Planning Podcast.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: This week, doug and I are actually sitting in a hotel in York, england, because Doug has just joined me in York from a five-day trip to Wales and I thought it would be a good opportunity in this episode to talk to Doug all about his trip to north Wales.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: So, doug, should you, would you like to introduce yourself?
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  Speaker 3: Hello, yes, great to be on again.
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: I had a fantastic week in north Wales Beautiful weather and lovely people And the week is actually flown by by the most fantastic week.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: So, yes, so this is actually the first podcast episode that we've actually had a chance to talk about Wales And I thought, because Doug's just spent five days there exploring it, trying out a lot of public transport and trying out lots of the trains and exploring it and obviously the logistics of planning it all took some time, So it'd be a good chance to actually just say go through what he did, where he went, how he planned it And for those of you who are considering a trip to north Wales in your visit to the UK, So let's start off I guess basically would you like to give everybody an overview of your trip and where you went and what you did.
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: So first off, I went through our Facebook group and seen where comments or questions have been posted, and the last questions about the many heritage railway lines in north Wales, so that seemed like a good start in place.
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: So once I'd all myself with a list, i found myself a map of Wales and found out where all these heritage train lines run.
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: And then naturally, what I thought was where am I going to base myself?
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: So I came to the decision I would stop in Banggood, in Gwyneth, that's north Wales.
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: But going further, i just need to point out my apologies for any Welsh speakers.
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: My pronunciation is probably very, very poor And I do apologize, but I'll do my very best.
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: It's better than mine, that's for sure.
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: So yes, so once I've all myself with the services I wanted on, that included the Snowdonia Mountain Railway and the Langdothlin Railway and the Festinnog Railway and Welsh Highlands Railway.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: So once I found where they were and when the service is run and whether it should have been diesel or steam I'll come to that later on It was a question of finding a, whether available that day, whether there was still spaces those days and how they all fit in together.
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: So I want to do one area then to another area and to another area.
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: So once I found those, it was a question of well, can I then book them?
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: And so we completed all that.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: We did that together and then I thought we're doing to find a hotel to stay in.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: So on this trip I decided I was going to do all with public transport, didn't I?
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely yes.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: That was a decision rather than hiring a car, because obviously we just know the sort of questions that we get in the Facebook group And also we've have done it in re-consult with people who have been intending to go to North Wales and I know some people have asked us before about public transport And because we do like to look into the use of public transport around the UK.
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: We did the Lake District last year.
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: We based ourselves in Windermere to see about how you could get around.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: We felt that it would be a really useful thing to do for actually for you to actually plan your trip using public transport only.
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and obviously it's slow because you then got to start looking at bus timetables and in North Wales I found different bus providers as well, so it was a question of finding which bus service covers which area.
• 4:38
  Speaker 3: For example, i found the Gwynfor coaches.
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: They provide the bus service to Snowdonia, so you have to find one to Lambertis, which is a little town there, a beautiful town So.
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: But once I found all the correct buses, then it was a question of finding the bus tickets And I did find and I was very impressed.
• 4:59
  Speaker 3: I was telling you about I'm very impressed with Arriva coaches, arriva buses.
• 5:04
  Speaker 3: They have some very good day passes day bus tickets And they were incredibly helpful.
• 5:10
  Speaker 3: The bus drivers are very friendly, very helpful.
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: You know you're getting off a bus from Nubian somewhere before and you ask them where the bus stop is for the return journey and it's just over there.
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: I'll point you down there And I was really impressed with them.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: Can I just rewind?
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: I just want to rewind a bit, actually, because I know you said so.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: When you were deciding on the places that you want to go to, there were the four different railway lines that you wanted to do, those kind of heritage railway lines But also what about actual destinations, as in places in North Wales that you wanted to go to and see, because obviously people talk to us about those railway lines but there are other things to do in North Wales, so I guess they were included in your itinerary planning.
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: No visit to North Wales.
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: But we're complete without looking at the castles.
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: There's such a concentration of castles in North Wales And so I've mixed the days up.
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: I also wanted to do one particular tour that appealed to me, a three castles tour, and is also visiting the Snowdonia National Park for a viewing point.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: It wasn't natural.
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  Speaker 3: The railway, the viewing point was absolutely spectacular.
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: So I was really privileged to be on this tour as well at the same time.
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: And we also went to Landidno for the Great Orm, which I'd already done another day.
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: So lots of information there.
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: Let me go through my day, shall I?
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: I first arrived into Bangor and the hotel I chose, or we chose together, was a hotel called the Trax Hotel T-R-A-X, and that was literally across the road from the train station And value for money.
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: I was impressed with it, the lady who was running that, the lady by the name of Wendy there's a few challenges along the way, but she was absolutely fantastic.
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: I can't thank her for enough and how kind she was to me.
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: So that was perfect for me.
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: And then, believe it or not, the buses I needed to catch.
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: I could also catch the seconds from there.
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: So on that very first day I arrived I also caught the train from Bangor to a place name.
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: It's the second longest place name in the UK, the second in the world.
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to try and say it, but it is known locally as Fanfare PG And it's 58 letters long.
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, and it's just an amazing place.
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: So it's a photo opportunity.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: And you've got a photo with yourself at the sign.
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: I did notice that, so we'll definitely put that in the show notes so everybody can see you standing at the sign of the second longest.
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: UK place name.
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: UK place name, i think there's a place in New Zealand that.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: I think is the longest.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: So it's the longest in the UK but second longest in the world.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: World, that's great 58 letters long, wow, yeah.
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: So I did it on the first day, because that's only six minutes on the train from Bangor, which was absolutely fantastic, and that's just across on the Isle of Anglesey.
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the first day, and then on the second day I bought the early morning bus from Bangor to Snowdonia.
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I went upon the Snowdonia mountain railway on a beautiful, hot, sunny day And the views are absolutely breathtaking.
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: So I'll just say this was obviously the beginning of June that did this trip, and the weather in most of the UK has been absolutely fantastic over the last week, but particularly in the West Coast and Wales was amazing, oh that's beautiful And it was really really lovely weather, which made it even better because I know the views were spectacular with beautiful blue skies, beautiful views.
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: You don't know where to look.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: And honestly, the photos and videos do not do the place justice.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: Um, And it was one of, unfortunately, the train, the cog rally doesn't go all the way to the summit at the moment, until 24th of June, i believe, because of I think it was the work isn't completed from over winter, i think.
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was a good chunk of the day, and then I was going to catch the bus to place called Betsa Coward Again, apologies, say I said that wrong and then I was gonna join the main train line to Blayno Fest in the train station, but we'd ordered on that week before, yes, so I returned by bus to Bangor and then caught the train again to clanded no, and from there I caught the tramway to The summit of great, the great home, which is the headland at clanded no, okay, and such a lot of history involved with that.
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: There's a bonds mine there as well, and it's absolutely fascinating.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: Now my plan was to Go one way to the summit on the tramway and then return by the cable car.
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but unfortunately that afternoon the wind had increased in speed, so Unfortunately the cable car was not running so they don't run it when it gets too windy, which I guess is like safety issue.
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was supposed to come back down on the tram, which was an absolute hardship really was.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: That's worth bearing in mind.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: I guess if anybody's plan to do that is that obviously Bearing on the weather can impact on whether you can do the cable car.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah and that was You can buy a return ticket for that one.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: If that's what you plan on doing this, really nice, it's a very pleasant place.
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: One interesting thing I found about clanded no, which I didn't know at the time, was the Clanded no was the birthplace of Lewis Carroll.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: All right, the right to all.
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah so there's about 1340 wooden statues there and There's also locally that the start in a free walking tour.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: So what are the statues of all the characters?
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: Oh right, one like the rabbit, and oh yeah.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: Those places.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: So that was that first date Absolutely fantastic in Snowdonia.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: And then the second day I went on the Tour and that that covered Conway Castle, can often Castle, but also went again to the Great Horn And lots of all the little places to stay along the way.
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely fantastic.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: So with that turn, did you, did you go and meet the turn a particular place?
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: How did that work?
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we met the tour at Just outside the train station at clanded no, and then I think that's it.
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: We left about half a state in the morning, returned about half past five.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, and that was a I know that was it with adventure to a snowdonia, so we will put a link in and the show notes that took us.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: I know you absolutely loved it.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: You were raving about it.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: After that, data said how excellent it was.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: I hope they get back to the young chap.
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: The tall guy was a guy called Freddy, who was absolutely, i said, his enthusiasm was, you know, it's warmth came across to everybody.
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know he's absolutely marvelous.
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: So including that was the Conway Castle Dove bed on castle.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: Probably saying that wrong as well can often castle class Mauer, which is the Grand Hall and In Conway and the world's so the smallest house in Great Britain, which is absolutely amazing.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: It was a tiny tunnel house and can you believe it?
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: It was a six-foot three Fishermen who used to live in there really and I've seen the photos of how small it is is really tiny, and do you have to pay to get into that?
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's about what is one pound fifty, but that is cash, only that one.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's good to know Yeah.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: And so that was a whole day there.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: And then the following day I went by train again to Rue Abon, i think I said that's just outside Rexham, yeah, and then I caught the bus to Langlothlin for the railway.
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: So from there and that's 10, 30 to 12 And it absolutely amazing, went the full length.
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: So what does that go to?
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: so that I come on the name of the call when I go.
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, special word there for one of the, the conductor there, a gentleman by name of Ross, who kind of consented to a little video for myself You can include yeah, yeah, yeah, that was brilliant And I will include that and their show notes actually, because he gives took a little interview.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: Outstanding a game.
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: You know the face of the company.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: You first thing you walk in he's welcoming.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: It was kind, considerate.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: And again his energy was just abounding.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so good views on that with that train trip.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was because I was gonna say this later, i'll say it now.
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: I, this day and the following day there should have been there were scheduled on the timetable for steam train services, but because of the prolonged hot weather, the risk of lion's-hired fire is quite huge.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet on the day before there had been a little fire.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: So it was diesel trains running, but in no way did it sort of dampen the experience you know, and it was That was just his enthusiasm was abounding.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: So it was two heritage diesel units or DMU's if you, if you're in the know and Both outward journey and return.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: I sat just behind the driver, so I've got lots of photos that I did share.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: Someone the on the On the group.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah so, but a wonderful day.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: Everything for start to finish and walking in like a lot of our station to leave, and it was an absolute job, particularly to a train person like myself.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely again, the weather was absolutely beautiful.
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: So I returned them by bus to the banger or that day and Yeah, and then I had a walk around bangle that night as well, down to the yeah, down to the pier, and for some beautiful views of the men eyes straight and the men eye bridge.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: And it was really really beautiful evening, but there's a lot of those.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Um, that's over to angle, see.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I should just say yes, that's right, cost of angle see, and the little island they're called Puffin Island.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: All right, you can get the boat boats out too.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: So that was that day, and then the following day I Had a very long day.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: This day I caught the the bus to Can, often for the Best in New York and Welsh Island's railway.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: Again, this should have been a steam train.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: It's get time tail was a steam train, but unfortunately it wasn't.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: And Again, especially mentioned to the conductor on that train, a young lady by the name of Becky, who was Against such warmth and helpfulness to walk up and down the train answering questions, just wonderful.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: And I also sat next to a family, absolutely very engaging in a lovely family day out, and it was just so friendly.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So then after that I caught the bus back to can, often and And yeah, i have another quick look around Bango, and, and that was that really.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously you've done that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: You did the four railways and they were really exciting and you enjoyed all of those, obviously met some fantastic people on the trains and the staff were in the trains, so that was great.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Um, what about?
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I know you visited some of the castles, so I just want to talk about what.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: How did you feel about some of the castles that you visited?
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: What would the idea of a favorite I Probably prefer Conway Castle, because the town has such a lot to offer as well.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot to choose between Conway and Canaven Castle.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: They're both Absolutely fine history and a lot of story to tell.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: On their own, yeah, but probably Conway just does it for me as a town.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I also went.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I have missed that entirely.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I went to Anglesey one evening and I it was bit late because the castle was already closed at bone Maris or boomerous I'm not sure the pronunciation of that that's across an angle, see itself Mm-hmm.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: That overlooks basically the men I straight and Bangor, puffin island and It could just see because it's getting a bit hazy was a landing, no, in the, in the, in the distance, but yeah, but boomerous, absolutely lovely little place as well.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: You can catch various across there off in Ireland and also boat trips on Through the men I straight okay, bridges and things like that as well.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I think that's the most marvelous fish and chips there as well.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about food.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Actually that was something I was gonna ask us.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I know that's something we have been asked before about kind of recommended places to eat.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So What did you do for food for those days They were away It?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't exactly the healthiest.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I have two lots of fish and chips on the commendation ships were good.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I ate in a public cafes as well, but the fish and chips at And boomers were absolutely delicious.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Now, one place I didn't try apparently in London notes, instead of fish and chips It's gonna like chisholm fits or something of that nature.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: All right, and that was been recommended as well by the family I was on the train with on the The galette explorer that was on the first Indian Welsh Harlins railway.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so look, some lovely food.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I know you had beaten sandwiches in the morning before, cuz I know you.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I did put a picture on the entire day.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: on Bangor station There's a travel cafe They call this Snowden Cafe and I had this bacon sandwich in a cup of tea or copper And it was absolutely delicious.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I did put a picture on the internet.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did, and I will share those again, so so okay, so you've given us a kind of good overall view kind of how you went and how your days were.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: How did you find it logistically because obviously you plan this with the Buses and how did it work?
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the buses.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I was very impressed with the ARIVA buses.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: What I did before I Went on the trip was I looked at all the different buses and what would have been the best tickets, because I did find the.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: You can pay by cash or card on the buses, but what I opted to do was apply to M tickets as mobile tickets and you activate them on the day That you use them and then you just scan in the QR code on the bus.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: But I was relying on Wi-Fi on the buses So I was having to wait until I was on the bus to be able to access the QR code.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: But the drivers every driver are evil was absolutely outstanding and really helpful.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and patient is wrong to be fair.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good to know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So have you got anybody, any tips that you could give to anybody that would consider in this trip?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I would First out after I've written this up as a post on the website.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I use that as a good guide, but I would point out that the The Vowys themselves do take up a big chunk of the day and you've got logistics to get there And I did see some of the car pass get quite full.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: So if you are driving you've got to allow yourself plenty of time to park your car.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Right, that's good Some of them were not all a car or cash that it makes you.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: But there's one I think was at Snowden and it was said it was Card only.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the other thing is if the train departs, say, at 10, 30 and a couple of them, you have to be arrived 30 minutes before to plate your tickets.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Even if you've bought online, you've got to go and present it 30 minutes before the train departs.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: It's just for logistics, to get everybody on board.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they know.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: So you know when it comes to actually do these sell out.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So you can't just turn up on the day, you have to book ahead some you do that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: The Snowden railway one, there's only a small one or two, coach lot, coach long, so you have specific seats booked on there as well.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: So they do get booked up.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I was on the first one and The first one of the day and it was it was full.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no seat.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: There's no standing room allowed because they have to have a clear view right There's a is a climbs.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, and he sent.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, they'll take it on it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I think there was on the plane got and I think there was some tickets available.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's good.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: The only thing that I would always arrive as much time as you can, particularly if it is a steam train, or you won't take photos of the coaches or the the locals.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's worth it.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: So is there any other tips that you could share that with anybody that's considering to say this sort of this sort of trip to north Wales?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I would definitely do the one of the tour as well.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: It's a Public transport works but it pays to do your homework first and be sure and clear which buses you want to catch, because I did found and I did talk to this on another couple in Anglesey there's some of the online bus times.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I don't always marry with the bus stop times.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: There's electronic displays and some paper and some printed timetables, but they don't always marry up.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I was always looking at both, but I was always arriving 10 minutes before buses just to be double the show.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I was going to catch them, particularly on Sunday, when there was obviously going to be less buses travelling.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: OK, now, that sounds good.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: The Aviva bus is also very good on board Wi-Fi.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: OK, so that's good to know, so that people can use it as well.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think obviously you're going to write up your itinerary from the last week.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So your entire itinerary, including the bus times that you took, the trains that you took, will actually be available in a blog post on the website.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it will be ready by the time this podcast episode gets out, but a dub will be working on it And as soon as it's sorted, it will work on that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: So have you got any kind of final tip that you'd give share with our listeners?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I would say public transport is doable, but shop around for the best deals with the bus tickets and be sure of what you're paying, because I did find that there's also the bus tickets called a one bus ticket and that covers a lot of all the different operators in Wales.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I did not know about that, i did not read about it anywhere, but that was one of the drivers that told me that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: So it pays to shop around and make sure you get the right bus tickets.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: OK, great.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for chatting to us this week about your trip to Wales.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, it's the first time I've seen you for five days since we're in Edinburgh, so it's good to chat with you about what you've been up to in Wales for the last few days as well.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I've got so much to say about it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry it's a bit disjointed everybody listening to that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: There's just so much I want to say about it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously, if anybody's got questions that they want to ask Doug about this trip around Wales, please join the Facebook group and you can come in there and ask Doug questions about the logistics, about what he enjoyed about this trip.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: But, as I say, this is going to be written up as a Bob person.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: It will be available on the website.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing I will find few times I had to be a little bit more flexible with my times and buses and keep checking and that sort of thing.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So it's about flexibility with the itinerary.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: So I always happen to talk to anybody about trains and tickle in North Wales.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And finally, thank you everybody.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I came into contact with your my trip in North Wales.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Everybody was so friendly and helpful, Thank you.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: That's great to know.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: So you can find all the everywhere that Doug visited and more information, Obviously a link to the upcoming post about his trip to Wales on the website that UKTravelPlanincom forward slash episode 52.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But all that leaves us to say for this week is, as always, happy UK travel planning.