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Ken Rosenthal & Jim Bowden Trade Deadline Eve Reports: Astros star search, Yanks plan, D’backs assets · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's hit the inside scoop.
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Speaker 2: FC senior insider Ken Rosenthal just reported on that trade
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Speaker 2: between the Angels and the Nationals.
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Speaker 1: Ken does that mean that the Angels are not going.
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Speaker 2: To sell away their pieces like a Kenley, Jansen, Taylor Ward, etc.
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Speaker 2: Are those guys off the market now and they're going
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Speaker 2: to even if they don't buy hard, They're going to
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Speaker 2: buy a little bit and be in this thing.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I can make that statement definitively,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know exactly what the Angels are doing.
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Speaker 3: I heard earlier this morning and reported that they were
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Speaker 3: looking at middle relief types and just going to add
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Speaker 3: in a modest way. They've done that with this trade
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Speaker 3: with the chafin Garcia trade with the Nationals. Now, does
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Speaker 3: that mean they subtract as well? I don't know, but
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Speaker 3: I don't think so. My guess is they don't want
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Speaker 3: to do too much and be crazy buyers because there
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Speaker 3: are four games out in the Wildcard and let's face it,
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Speaker 3: they're not winning the World Series this year, but they
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Speaker 3: want to be as competitive reasonably possible within the framework
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Speaker 3: of what they're doing, and this trade would seemingly enable
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Speaker 3: them to do that or help them do that. Does
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Speaker 3: it lead to other trades cell type trades. I can't
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Speaker 3: say for sure, but my guess, and it's just a guess,
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Speaker 3: would be no.
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Speaker 2: Another big one that has popped up over the past
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours is how active will the Houston Astros be.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like that Essac paratus injury is pretty serious.
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Speaker 2: Does a Carlos Correa really enter the fold for this team?
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Speaker 2: And if not, I know you reported about Dylan Cees
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Speaker 2: or a big name starter for them.
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Speaker 1: What do you think.
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Speaker 3: Well, we did report on Dylan CEA's being a focused
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Speaker 3: yesterday and he's certainly at the top of their wish list.
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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how they go about getting him
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Speaker 3: because they don't have much of a farm system, and
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Speaker 3: payroll is a question with them luxury tax perroll. Carlos Correa,
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Speaker 3: Dan Hayes and Chandler Room just posted a story about
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Speaker 3: this on The Athletic and it was went into a
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Speaker 3: good amount of detail about just how unlikely this is.
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Speaker 3: Now you never say never thing's gonna happen, but they're
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Speaker 3: trying to move their relievers, or at least talking about
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Speaker 3: moving their relievers join Duran Griffin Jacks, They've got Danny
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Speaker 3: Koolohm to move. They've got other pieces in play as well,
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Speaker 3: Willie Castro. It sure doesn't sound to me like they're
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Speaker 3: locked in on a Korea trade, and it would require
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Speaker 3: his approval. He's got a lot of money. I'm sure
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Speaker 3: the Twins would have to pay some. As I said,
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Speaker 3: Dan and Chandler wrote a nice detailed story about just
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Speaker 3: what this is and how unlikely this is. Jim Crane,
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Speaker 3: the Astros owner, likes stars, and that's what's driving a
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Speaker 3: lot of this. It drives the Dylan Cee's conversation, and
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Speaker 3: it drives the Korea conversation. But if I had to guess,
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Speaker 3: and again we're guessing here, we're picking out things out
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Speaker 3: of the air, I would say Dylan sees more likely
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Speaker 3: than Korea.
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Speaker 4: Shane Bieber. You talked about the fest. He hasn't even
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Speaker 4: pitched in a big league game yet. How serious are
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Speaker 4: the Cubs or other teams at looking at Shane Bieber?
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Speaker 5: What is he actually going to bring?
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're looking, and he's been on a rehab
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Speaker 3: assignment coming off Tommy John and he's pitched well. He
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Speaker 3: looks good. The question is do you take the chance
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Speaker 3: on Shane Bieber coming off the surgery and knowing that
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Speaker 3: pitchers coming off the surgery aren't always as sharp as
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Speaker 3: they will be later. And he's got a sixteen million
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Speaker 3: dollar player option, and that complicates things as well. If
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Speaker 3: he takes that player option, are you comfortable with it?
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Speaker 3: If he pitches well enough where he would decline it
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Speaker 3: and hit the open market, are you comfortable enough paying
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Speaker 3: whatever the Guardians would want. It's a complicated situation, obviously,
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Speaker 3: but he is definitely in play. And I believe we
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Speaker 3: talked about this yesterday, guys with Classe and Luis Ortiz
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Speaker 3: on nondisciplinary paid leave. It seems like the Guardians are
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Speaker 3: more inclined perhaps to listen than they would have been
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Speaker 3: otherwise on some of their players, and Kwan would be one,
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Speaker 3: Bieber would be another. Always set their bar pretty high,
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Speaker 3: and they always stay disciplined with what they are willing
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Speaker 3: to accept in return. They don't lower the bar. But
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Speaker 3: at the same time, they know this year is lost.
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Speaker 3: Next year do they want Kwalm back, Well, he's got
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Speaker 3: two more years of control. That's the question.
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Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna go to another team. We mentioned
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Speaker 6: the Angels and you don't know what they're doing. The Giants,
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Speaker 6: what are they doing because they have completely, I don't
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Speaker 6: want to say fallen apart, but they're at five hundred now,
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Speaker 6: they're way back in the division, they're back in the wildcard.
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Speaker 5: What are they gonna do?
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Speaker 6: Because Buster Posey's always a player, he wants to go
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Speaker 6: for it, but does he have the pieces to make
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Speaker 6: the trades or is he going to pivot and sell
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Speaker 6: and try to get build for the future.
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Speaker 3: Aj My question with them is are they worth reinforcing
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Speaker 3: further reinforcing after the Devas trade. They've played so poorly,
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Speaker 3: losing eleven of thirteen. Now, I know it's one window
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Speaker 3: in the season and things can change quickly over the
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Speaker 3: final two months, but it's not exactly like they're screaming,
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Speaker 3: hey man, help our club, Buster, because we're really good.
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Speaker 3: They haven't been really good. So there are reports this
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Speaker 3: morning that they're willing to listen on their relievers. Obviously
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Speaker 3: Camillo Daval would be the most enticing of those, so
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Speaker 3: I can see them doing that, and I can see
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Speaker 3: them possibly going in a slight cell direction. But at
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Speaker 3: the same time, as you mentioned, Ajay, and you're so
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Speaker 3: right about this, buster. Posey wants to win. He doesn't
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Speaker 3: envision retreat, and this would be something of a retreat.
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Speaker 3: So maybe you use a reliever to get a bat
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Speaker 3: that you need at the major league level. That would
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Speaker 3: be an advisable thing to do. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: that's what they have in mind. It's unclear right now.
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Speaker 1: Sent you Ken.
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Speaker 2: There haven't been a ton of moves over the past week,
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Speaker 2: but one team that's made three moves is the New
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Speaker 2: York Yankees. They acquired Ryan McMahon, Amed Rosario and Austin
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Speaker 2: Slater or lesser names, but they're going to help in
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Speaker 2: a platoon sense and for depth. So what do you
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Speaker 2: think of what they've done? And do you think that
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Speaker 2: they're still going to go hard in this market like
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Speaker 2: Brian Cashman said he would.
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Speaker 3: I do. And the Aaron Judge injury they believe will
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Speaker 3: be one in which he misses minimal time. And they
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Speaker 3: still envision themselves in a watered down American League possibly
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Speaker 3: getting hot again and winning as long well as poorly
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Speaker 3: as they've played in the recent weeks, they still think
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Speaker 3: they're good and probably should still think that, right, So
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Speaker 3: I still imagine them, envision them going for bullpen help
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Speaker 3: multiple relievers, and maybe a starter as well. Now, the
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Speaker 3: question I have now is, after making these first three deals,
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Speaker 3: in which they didn't give up a whole lot, even
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Speaker 3: for McMahon, do you now have the prospect power to
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Speaker 3: go after one of the bigger relievers or even a
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Speaker 3: bigger starter. They certainly do. They're not going to trade
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Speaker 3: certain guys at the top of their system, but they're
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Speaker 3: of a very deep system. They've been good at developing pitching,
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Speaker 3: and I imagine they'll be pretty active. I know they'll
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Speaker 3: be pretty active looking for bullpen help as well as
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Speaker 3: a starter.
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Speaker 4: I asked you about the and the Cubs battling it
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Speaker 4: out in the trades and battling it out in their
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Speaker 4: recent series. What about the Mets and Phillies both need
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Speaker 4: relief pitching. I mean, I think everybody needs relief pitching,
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Speaker 4: but Phillies desperately needed. The Mets need it. Outside of
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Speaker 4: Edwin Diaz, everybody can add it. How is that gonna
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Speaker 4: shake out? And which team is more in a position
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Speaker 4: to push more aggressively.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I could say either team is
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Speaker 3: in an advantageous spot over the other about being aggressive.
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Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski his history with the Phillies with the Red
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Speaker 3: Sox with the Tigers. Is that he's aggressive, I missed
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Speaker 3: the Marlins. That's his style, that's his nature. Would I
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Speaker 3: expect him to be more aggressive than David Stearns, Yes,
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Speaker 3: just because of what Dombrowski has done his track record
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Speaker 3: versus Sterns' track record. What's interesting, Eric, as you noted,
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Speaker 3: is they're competing for some of the same players in
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Speaker 3: the bullpen market, and even Luis Robert Jr.
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Speaker 1: Is a guy that.
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Speaker 3: Both teams are looking at. So once the dust settles
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Speaker 3: at three pm Eastern tomorrow I'm sorry, three percent Pacific,
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Speaker 3: six percent pm Eastern, then we'll have a better idea
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Speaker 3: of where these two teams stand. But yes, there's no
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Speaker 3: question that they're competing with one another.
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Speaker 5: Ken.
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Speaker 6: First of all, we're gonna clip that where you said
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Speaker 6: them right, because that never happened. Second of all, enjoying Bristol.
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Speaker 6: There's not great cell service in Bristol, so when you're
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Speaker 6: trying to make all your calls tomorrow, better make sure
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Speaker 6: you have a sat phone. Okay, but then what are
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Speaker 6: the Diamondbacks gonna do? What are the diamond Back are
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Speaker 6: they gonna sell all these pieces? Because we hear Gallon,
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Speaker 6: we hear Merrill, Kelly, We've heard Suarez obviously, but there's
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Speaker 6: other names. Jake McCarthy's been mentioned. There's a ton of names.
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Speaker 6: Are they really gonna trade everybody?
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Speaker 3: I don't know? And my keys in their GM is
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Speaker 3: in an interesting position. Obviously, he wanted to compete this year.
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Speaker 3: Injuries rob them of any chance of doing that. And
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Speaker 3: the way the Diamondbacks see it, they'll trade Suarez, Gallon,
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Speaker 3: and Kelly sour As almost certainly Gallon and Kelly two.
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Speaker 3: But what they have to do in those trades is
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Speaker 3: exceed the value of the draft pick they would get
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Speaker 3: as compensation if one of those players left after rejecting
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Speaker 3: a qualifying offer. So you know how this works. You
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Speaker 3: reject a qualifying offer, you become a free agent, You
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Speaker 3: sign with another team, your club your original club gets
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Speaker 3: a draft pick. The pick likely would be less valuable
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Speaker 3: for Kelly. But at the same time, the Diamondbacks have
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Speaker 3: values in mind for each of these guys. I do
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Speaker 3: expect that they're going to move to me a rental
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Speaker 3: starting pitcher in this market, which is starved for starting pitching,
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Speaker 3: it's going to have value and it's not going to
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Speaker 3: have extreme value that maybe the Pirates are asking for
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Speaker 3: from Mitch Keller or the Marlins for either a Contra
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Speaker 3: or Cabrera, but for a rental, I would think you
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Speaker 3: could do pretty well. And that's why I expect those
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Speaker 3: three guys to move. JAKEO McCarthy, I'm not as sure
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Speaker 3: about the Astros have inquired about him. Other teams I'm
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Speaker 3: sure as well. But the expiring contract guys, those are
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Speaker 3: the ones you mentioned, Those are the most likely to
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Speaker 3: go Ken.
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Speaker 5: How much has times changed since you started this Because you're.
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Speaker 6: Talking about draft picks, they got to get more value
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Speaker 6: than the draft pick compensation.
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Speaker 5: We just had Jim.
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Speaker 6: Bowden on talking about you know, people don't want to
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Speaker 6: give up because gms don't want to look bad when
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Speaker 6: they make trades down the road.
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Speaker 5: How much have times changed when teams used to just
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Speaker 5: try to win?
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Speaker 3: Times have changed dramatically, aj and in so many different ways.
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Speaker 3: But let's hit the last thing you said there teams
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Speaker 3: trying to win. There is definitely now in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: but I think this is pretty well supported. More restraint
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Speaker 3: by teams, more fear by teams of making a bad move,
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Speaker 3: and less go for it mentality teams rely on their
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Speaker 3: computer map models. They do not rely on their guts.
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Speaker 3: In many ways, that's a good thing, but in some
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Speaker 3: ways it leads to less action and it leads to
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Speaker 3: an is by paralysis. So that's one thing that's changed.
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Speaker 3: A lot has changed over the years with regard to
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Speaker 3: just the media and how we report these trades. When
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Speaker 3: I started, there was no Internet, of course, so it's
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Speaker 3: a different time and times evolved. We all understand that.
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Speaker 3: But in terms of having gms who are ready to
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Speaker 3: kind of belly up to the bar and write names
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Speaker 3: on napkins, and those days are over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Compix sucks for this purpose. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it definitely holds back trade. So for fans it's not
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Speaker 2: been great, which is all I care about. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to ask you about the Red Sox. They're hanging around,
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Speaker 2: they have open money. The Dev's trade has been a
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Speaker 2: disaster so far for the Giants.
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Speaker 1: So on Boston's side, do you.
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Speaker 2: Think they're going to be super aggressive here for patching
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Speaker 2: up holes, pitching for s base, maybe even a catcher
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Speaker 2: if they can find one.
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Speaker 3: They're one of the more fascinating teams right now. Them
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Speaker 3: in Detroit, I would say or two of them. The
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Speaker 3: Cubs would be a third. What are these teams going
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Speaker 3: to do now? Boston with Craig Breslow running baseball operations,
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Speaker 3: had in retrospect now a terrific offseason. Crochet and Chapman
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Speaker 3: Nevaias they did really well. Even Buehler not been great,
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Speaker 3: but he could still be. Okay, Patrick Sandoval, great job
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Speaker 3: the deadline. Last year. Breslo was not as effective now
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Speaker 3: he didn't have as good a team, so maybe he
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Speaker 3: wasn't as eager to reinforce it. But we will see
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Speaker 3: what they do because all those needs you listed Scott
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Speaker 3: are still there. They definitely want a starting pitcher and
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Speaker 3: they definitely want a first baseman. How willing they are
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Speaker 3: going to be to get those pieces that remains to
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Speaker 3: be seen.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Ken, appreciate the time. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Por trade deadline Day. Thanks guys.
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Speaker 2: I love that music. That means it's time to talk
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Speaker 2: to Jim Bowden, our resident gm JB.
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Speaker 1: You look fresh, well rested.
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Speaker 2: That's good, but good luck the next twenty four hours
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Speaker 2: because we haven't had a ton of big moves yet.
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Speaker 2: I want to start with the starting pitching market. Do
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Speaker 2: you think that any of the big, longer term names
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Speaker 2: will move? I saw you tweet yesterday about Sandy al Contra,
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Speaker 2: Mitch Keller, any of those types of names. I know
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Speaker 2: we've asked you about Mackenzie Gore. Where are you at
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Speaker 2: with that market?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: So look, everything changes, right we get somebody twists and
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Speaker 7: turns of this trade deadline. It's kind of been fascinating
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Speaker 7: for me. I've really enjoyed the ride. You know, last
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Speaker 7: weekend I was being told the Contra is probably not
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Speaker 7: going to be moved because Nobe's valuing him even close
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Speaker 7: to what he was in twenty three when he won
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Speaker 7: an l Site Young Award. Well, everything has changed. I mean,
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Speaker 7: somebody stepped up yesterday and made an offer that has
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Speaker 7: motivated the Miami Marlins. And there may be two teams.
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Speaker 7: I know there's one, there may be two. And now
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Speaker 7: in all likelihood he is going to get moved tomorrow.
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Speaker 7: So it's going to be fascinating to see who's going
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Speaker 7: to pay. You know, I had heard with Joe Ryan.
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Speaker 7: First they were listening, and then it was unlikely they
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Speaker 7: were going to trade him. You know, yesterday I heard
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Speaker 7: the same thing. They're listening on Ryan and he could
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Speaker 7: absolutely be moved Mackenzie Gore. I'm not sure it's complicated
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Speaker 7: with the interim GM Mike de Bartelow, but you know,
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Speaker 7: one president of one of the National League teams that
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Speaker 7: has won world championships in the last five told me
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Speaker 7: it's just complete chaos right now. This is really fun, right,
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Speaker 7: because you know, if you're a seller, you're going to
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Speaker 7: grind till tomorrow, right You're gonna make them sweat it out.
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Speaker 7: If you're holding, if you're holding one of the top
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Speaker 7: elite relievers or top elite starters, there's no need to
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Speaker 7: make the deal today. I'm gonna wait and make you
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Speaker 7: sweat it out. And then if you're a buyer, you
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Speaker 7: gonna sit there and you're gonna make a deal as
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Speaker 7: soon as you get a deal you're comfortable with. You're
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Speaker 7: not gonna wait for tomorrow's chaos. But it's really fun
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Speaker 7: because we have so many teams looking for the same thing,
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Speaker 7: and there's only so many guys that go around, So
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Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be fascinating.
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Speaker 6: I gotta be honest, right, will you tell us what
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Speaker 6: team and there's the same teams in on al Contra
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Speaker 6: and some of the other guys, or is it I mean,
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Speaker 6: can you tell us?
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Speaker 5: If you can't, then I get it because you don't
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Speaker 5: want to reveal.
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Speaker 7: Say yeah, Jim, I do. All my sources are gms
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Speaker 7: or presidents and the relationships everything, and if you lose
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Speaker 7: the relationship, then you're done in this business, right. That's
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Speaker 7: my niche and what I bring to the table. So yeah,
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Speaker 7: I'm not never gonna give them up. But I know
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Speaker 7: one thing. None of them lie to me, and they
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Speaker 7: tell me the truth. And if they tell me, I
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Speaker 7: can't say something I don't and when I can, I do.
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Speaker 4: Let's say, how Contra does go? Does that make a
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Speaker 4: team like the Nats who you talked about the Barlow?
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Speaker 4: The Barlow was there and he was a big part
17:56
Speaker 4: in from what I heard from people there. He was
17:58
Speaker 4: a big part in the one on Soto trade, in
18:01
Speaker 4: the in the return that they got, so he was
18:04
Speaker 4: not like just watching Rizzo. But if al Contra goes,
18:09
Speaker 4: does that say WHOA, Now we know the bar and
18:14
Speaker 4: we can then level that bar off with Matt, with
18:18
Speaker 4: Mackenzie Gore or is it like, ah, no, no, no, we
18:20
Speaker 4: know our value and it doesn't really matter what happens
18:22
Speaker 4: with Sandy A Contra.
18:24
Speaker 7: Now that's a great question, Eric, because the truth is
18:28
Speaker 7: when you look at teams, only so many teams have
18:30
Speaker 7: enough of their farm system to make those really big
18:33
Speaker 7: trades to get those impact guys Joe Ryan or Mackenzie
18:39
Speaker 7: Gore or Sandy el Contra. And we got to put
18:41
Speaker 7: those three kind of in the same bucket, right because
18:44
Speaker 7: they're all controllable. It's not just this year. If you
18:46
Speaker 7: get him, you you don't just have an ACE for
18:48
Speaker 7: this year, but you have an ACE next year in
18:50
Speaker 7: the year after. So if you're sitting there and you
18:53
Speaker 7: have one of the three and you want to move them,
18:55
Speaker 7: I want to be the team that gets the return.
18:57
Speaker 7: I don't want to look up, For example, if I
18:59
Speaker 7: had Joe, I don't want to look up and see
19:01
Speaker 7: that Peter Bendex just rated you know, the Red Sox
19:04
Speaker 7: farm system or just rated the Yankees farm system. I
19:07
Speaker 7: want a piece of that. I'm building too. So that's
19:10
Speaker 7: where it gets fun. I don't think there's enough great
19:12
Speaker 7: prospects to go around for all three guys to get
19:15
Speaker 7: traded for the value that you know we're talking about
19:18
Speaker 7: for those guys, maybe one two teams at the most.
19:21
Speaker 7: There's no way all three are getting traded. So I
19:23
Speaker 7: think that's fun. And then the other thing that I
19:25
Speaker 7: really get a big kick out of is everyone keeps
19:27
Speaker 7: thinking that it has to be the contenders trading for
19:29
Speaker 7: these guys. That's really not the case. You know, I
19:33
Speaker 7: was told yesterday the Baltimore Orioles are involved in all
19:36
Speaker 7: three of those guys because they're looking at it like, hey,
19:39
Speaker 7: I can reboot this thing, come back and win next year,
19:42
Speaker 7: but I need an a. So if I can get
19:44
Speaker 7: a Contra or Gore or oryan start to what I'm
19:48
Speaker 7: trying to do next year. So you know, while they're selling,
19:52
Speaker 7: and the Oriels are certainly planning on selling, they're going
19:54
Speaker 7: to trade all those expiring contracts Ohearne Mullins, Charlie Morton.
19:59
Speaker 7: They may and do Loreano even though they have an option,
20:02
Speaker 7: just because the Reds and the Padres don't stop calling
20:04
Speaker 7: on But you know, I think at the end of
20:07
Speaker 7: the day, I think this is going to be very
20:08
Speaker 7: very interesting how it plays out.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So I want to know when is this going
20:16
Speaker 5: to happen, Jim when because I'm bored now tomorrow I'm
20:20
Speaker 5: I mean, I know, but gosh, why do we wait
20:22
Speaker 5: so long? Why do we have to wait so long?
20:26
Speaker 7: All right, So let me take you into the war room.
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Speaker 1: Right.
20:28
Speaker 7: I was in the war room seventeen times right as
20:30
Speaker 7: a GM. So you're in the war room. And let's
20:33
Speaker 7: just take the reliever market for a minute. Right. I've
20:36
Speaker 7: got him lined up in the order I want to
20:37
Speaker 7: trade for him. Right, I've got Duran one. I got
20:40
Speaker 7: Suarez too, I got Bedner three, I got Hellsy four.
20:44
Speaker 7: The list goes all the way down to Calvin again.
20:46
Speaker 7: So I got him in the order. I want him, right,
20:48
Speaker 7: but I want Duran first. So I'm talking to Derek
20:51
Speaker 7: Falvey and Jeremy's Ola Minnesota, and I'm saying, you're my
20:54
Speaker 7: top guy. This is the price I'll pay. They say
20:57
Speaker 7: it's not enough. They tell me what they want. I'm
20:59
Speaker 7: still working them. So I'm going to the next team.
21:02
Speaker 7: I'm going to aj Preller saying, look, I want Suerez,
21:05
Speaker 7: but look it's just a rental. This is what I'll give,
21:08
Speaker 7: but I'm not giving this. And if I can get Duran,
21:10
Speaker 7: and then I'm going to John mosey Lock and UH
21:13
Speaker 7: with Helsley, and I'm going to Ben Sherrington with Bedner,
21:15
Speaker 7: and I say, look, if I can get Duran or Suarez,
21:18
Speaker 7: I'm doing that. If not, I'm either coming to you
21:21
Speaker 7: to get Helsley or Benner. This is what I'm willing
21:24
Speaker 7: to do. And then you're gonna get a feel for
21:26
Speaker 7: how close you are of doing the deals and figure
21:29
Speaker 7: out what am I close? What am I not close.
21:31
Speaker 7: You're trying to communicate as much as possible on the
21:33
Speaker 7: phone with the text to find out where it's going.
21:36
Speaker 7: But if you're Minnesota and you're at the top with Duran,
21:39
Speaker 7: who is the most coveted closer, I'm gonna wait until
21:43
Speaker 7: one of your blank I don't have to trade him.
21:45
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna wait till tomorrow five pm, five to
21:48
Speaker 7: ten pm. I'm gonna know what's on the table, and
21:51
Speaker 7: then I'm gonna make the decision on five to ten
21:52
Speaker 7: if I'm gonna make a trade on what's on the table,
21:55
Speaker 7: or am I gonna go back to you one more
21:56
Speaker 7: time and say if you add this guy or you
21:59
Speaker 7: at that guy, you got a deal. And then as
22:02
Speaker 7: soon as that happens, and you make the deal. Then
22:05
Speaker 7: guess what happens is the next guy. There's the domino,
22:08
Speaker 7: there's the pivot, there's the chaos, there's a tornado, the hurricane,
22:12
Speaker 7: all of that, the blizzard. It all happens at once,
22:14
Speaker 7: boom and then they all go quickly and then tomorrow.
22:16
Speaker 7: It's absolutely hilarious and it's great for all of us
22:19
Speaker 7: that cover it.
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Speaker 2: And that's why we're on for five plus hours tomorrow
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Speaker 2: with the trade deadline show we're ready for it.
22:25
Speaker 5: Is Jim with us for five hours.
22:26
Speaker 1: No, Jim's busy. Jim busy.
22:28
Speaker 2: But Jim will join us at some point, I think, Jim,
22:30
Speaker 2: I'll ask you about the ashros Yes, he will be
22:33
Speaker 2: on with us at some point. So and I've heard
22:35
Speaker 2: some of your interviews recently with Dana Brown, who's done
22:37
Speaker 2: a great job running this team despite them missing so
22:40
Speaker 2: many parts, and I think leading the league right now
22:42
Speaker 2: with how many guys are on the IL. The two
22:44
Speaker 2: names that have popped up over the past twenty four hours,
22:46
Speaker 2: with some reports including Ken Rosenthal and Chandler Rome, your
22:49
Speaker 2: colleagues at the Athletic Dylan Cees as a target for
22:52
Speaker 2: them as far as starting pitching and then this morning
22:55
Speaker 2: we're seeing some rumblings about Carlos Korey. I wanted to
22:57
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on both of those players. Especially I'll
23:01
Speaker 2: quiz you on the kara apart once you get to Cease.
23:04
Speaker 2: He's not having a good year. He's got a ton
23:06
Speaker 2: of money left. Would you want him? And one hundred
23:08
Speaker 2: plus million dollars left?
23:11
Speaker 7: Okay? How much will the Twins pay down? They're gonna pay.
23:14
Speaker 1: Most of it.
23:15
Speaker 7: If they're gonna pay most of it, yeah, I'll take
23:17
Speaker 7: them and put them at third base because I don't
23:18
Speaker 7: know how long Paradis is gonna be out with a hamstring.
23:21
Speaker 7: I need a back. They prefer a left handed bat,
23:23
Speaker 7: they would they prefer a Brandon Lao. They prefer even ohearn.
23:28
Speaker 7: But they're in on Suarez right, they're in on Korea.
23:32
Speaker 7: I mean they know they need a bad he knows
23:34
Speaker 7: it right. Luckily Payne is on rehab, so he'll be
23:37
Speaker 7: back soon. I don't know when Paradis is gonna be back.
23:39
Speaker 7: I don't know when Alvarez is gonna be back. And
23:41
Speaker 7: they're looking in the rearview mirror at Texas Seattle just
23:44
Speaker 7: coming towards them. So you know, it depends how much
23:47
Speaker 7: the Twins will pay down and what it's gonna cost
23:49
Speaker 7: to answer that question. The Dylan sees thing I think
23:53
Speaker 7: will probably happen. Now. It's funny because once Ken Rosenthal
23:57
Speaker 7: and Chandler Rome put that report out there, of course
23:59
Speaker 7: I followed up their reporting, which they did a great job,
24:03
Speaker 7: and a lot of people were asking, well, why would
24:05
Speaker 7: the Astros want Dylan cease and be at a top
24:07
Speaker 7: target when he's three and ten with a four to
24:10
Speaker 7: seven ERA. Great question. All you have to do is
24:13
Speaker 7: look back twelve months ago. What happened at the deadline?
24:17
Speaker 7: You say, Kakuchi at the deadline last year was four
24:20
Speaker 7: to nine with a four to seven era, Dylan cease
24:23
Speaker 7: right now three and ten with a four to seven ERA,
24:26
Speaker 7: and what happened? Dana Brown said, his data room, I'd
24:29
Speaker 7: like to call it the analytic group, but he calls
24:31
Speaker 7: it the data room, So we'll call it the data
24:32
Speaker 7: room for the Astros. So his data room and pitching
24:36
Speaker 7: room told him the solution they thought they had for Kakuchi.
24:40
Speaker 7: Kakuchi came over and dominated went five and one, one
24:43
Speaker 7: of the best eras in the league. After they got
24:45
Speaker 7: him in August in September. They believe they can do
24:47
Speaker 7: the same thing with Dylan Cease and the underlying numbers,
24:50
Speaker 7: you know, the strikeouts per nine. I mean, some of
24:52
Speaker 7: these numbers say, yeah, it might be the case, and
24:55
Speaker 7: so that's why they're in on them. They have a
24:57
Speaker 7: plan that if they get ceased, they think they can
24:59
Speaker 7: get him back, and if they make the playoffs, Hunter
25:02
Speaker 7: Brown Game one, Franbervalda's Game two, Dylan ceased game three,
25:07
Speaker 7: that'd be pretty good if Cease becomes the guy who
25:09
Speaker 7: was last year when he won fourteen games.
25:12
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how familiar were with the negotiations with
25:15
Speaker 4: the Aeronado to the Astros before. Clearly the Astros had
25:19
Speaker 4: that money to use, they spent that money elsewhere. They
25:22
Speaker 4: already got yesaparates. Is there any chance if these other options,
25:27
Speaker 4: you said Gino Suarez, that it reopens with the Astros,
25:31
Speaker 4: or is it like Dana Brown says, no, thanks, like
25:33
Speaker 4: you already spurned us once and we were gonna pay
25:35
Speaker 4: down your contract.
25:38
Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't think Houston's going to be an option
25:40
Speaker 7: from what I'm hearing. To be honest, I think there's
25:43
Speaker 7: still a chance that the Tigers could be another option.
25:46
Speaker 7: They want Suarez. They thought they were gonna get Sworez
25:49
Speaker 7: when will Best hit him in the knuckles. Luckily, that
25:52
Speaker 7: Cats game came back negative. So I do think Sware
25:54
Speaker 7: is gonna be be traded. The problem is there's so
25:57
Speaker 7: many teams in on him, right. You got the Seattle
25:59
Speaker 7: Mariners are on him, Milwaukee Brewers are in on him,
26:02
Speaker 7: the Cubs, the Mets, the fill There's so many teams
26:05
Speaker 7: in Unsurez and who knows where he's going right. But
26:08
Speaker 7: I think if Aeronata was traded, I don't know if
26:10
Speaker 7: he's going to wait the no trade to Detroit. He
26:12
Speaker 7: didn't do it in the offseason. I would think he
26:14
Speaker 7: might this time around. When he looks at Detroit, you
26:17
Speaker 7: know they're gonna finish in first, they got a great
26:19
Speaker 7: pitching staff. I would think he might reconsider. But I
26:22
Speaker 7: haven't heard anything. I know John Mozaylock was going to
26:25
Speaker 7: talk to him, and then I never heard another word
26:27
Speaker 7: on how that discussion went, and the Cardinals haven't told
26:30
Speaker 7: me anything. So we'll have to wait and see. But
26:32
Speaker 7: it doesn't sound like Houston's an option for Aeronauto from
26:35
Speaker 7: what I'm hearing.
26:37
Speaker 6: Wow, that's crazy. I mean, people say he doesn't want
26:39
Speaker 6: to go to a winner or whatever.
26:40
Speaker 1: That's dumb.
26:41
Speaker 5: He's comfortable and he has that right.
26:43
Speaker 6: What I want to know, Jim, is, as you said
26:45
Speaker 6: seventeen years in the dwar room, does the last series matter?
26:50
Speaker 6: Does the last because everyone keeps talking, Oh that they're
26:53
Speaker 6: playing the razor playing the Yankees, and how do the
26:57
Speaker 6: Cubs and the Brewers play each other? And you know,
26:59
Speaker 6: how what does this team do against this? Does it
27:01
Speaker 6: really matter? Or you already have your mind made up
27:03
Speaker 6: before those those three games because tomorrow there's only three
27:06
Speaker 6: games on the schedule in total. So do those three
27:09
Speaker 6: games four games leading up to the deadline really matter
27:12
Speaker 6: that much?
27:13
Speaker 7: Aj It never mattered to me ever, when I sat
27:16
Speaker 7: in that scene, I always felt like, you need to
27:18
Speaker 7: know what your team is, regardless of the standings, and
27:20
Speaker 7: if you don't know what it is, I'm not sure
27:22
Speaker 7: you're right for the job. But I'll be honest. The
27:25
Speaker 7: one thing I learned surprisingly is whether gms are evaluating
27:29
Speaker 7: their own team or whether evaluating players. Recency bias matters
27:34
Speaker 7: to a lot more people than you'd think. And that
27:36
Speaker 7: is one of the parts of this game that absolutely
27:38
Speaker 7: shocked me. I remember when I needed to move John
27:42
Speaker 7: Smiley's contract. He was making four point six million a
27:45
Speaker 7: year and he had like four or five really bad
27:47
Speaker 7: starts in June, and I had a veteran baseball guy
27:50
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer Pacyelick, tell me, don't worry. The way
27:53
Speaker 7: this industry works, he puts together three or four good starts,
27:56
Speaker 7: you'll be able to move into the deadline. This is
27:58
Speaker 7: exactly what John Smiley did trading for Danny Graves, who
28:01
Speaker 7: ended up being the greatest you know saves guy in resistory.
28:05
Speaker 7: So you know, recency biased matters. It's like al Contra. Honestly,
28:08
Speaker 7: last Friday they did the Marlins, did not think he
28:10
Speaker 7: was going to be traded. Then he shut out the
28:12
Speaker 7: Padres for seven innings. Then last night he shut out
28:15
Speaker 7: the Cardinals for five innings, and all of a sudden,
28:17
Speaker 7: someone wants to pay the price based on two starts.
28:20
Speaker 7: You know, I don't completely get it. And with teams
28:23
Speaker 7: the Giants were buying a week ago, today they're selling, like, yeah,
28:27
Speaker 7: I don't know it happens. I mean I don't. I
28:30
Speaker 7: think you should know by the time you get here
28:33
Speaker 7: and what you do the last couple of weeks, whether
28:35
Speaker 7: it be a player or a team outside of an injury. Yeah,
28:38
Speaker 7: I don't think it should matter, but for some teams
28:40
Speaker 7: it does. And if you're the GM or president, know
28:43
Speaker 7: what teams that matter with you know, I always studied
28:46
Speaker 7: what players were slumping, what player's value was going down
28:50
Speaker 7: their team, because I felt like I could take advantage
28:52
Speaker 7: of it.
28:54
Speaker 2: JB quick follow up on the Giants. What do you
28:57
Speaker 2: think that they'll sell? Yeah, they're five game I mean,
29:00
Speaker 2: they're in worse shape than the Cardinals bullpen.
29:03
Speaker 7: Yes, it's got a great question the bullpen, Dovall. That
29:05
Speaker 7: changed today. They were saying, we don't know what we're
29:07
Speaker 7: gonna do. We're gonna think. I had one GM last
29:10
Speaker 7: night going, we don't know what Texas or San Francisco's
29:13
Speaker 7: gonna do. I so I know Texas buying, Okay, they
29:16
Speaker 7: want a reliever in the right hand hit or they're buying.
29:17
Speaker 7: They're not selling, I said, But the Giants, I don't know.
29:20
Speaker 7: Last time I heard they were trying to buy a
29:22
Speaker 7: bat And that was just a couple of days ago.
29:24
Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden, now we're hearing that
29:27
Speaker 7: they'll talk about the relievers and look, I don't blame them.
29:30
Speaker 7: There's so many relievers out there, and people think we're
29:33
Speaker 7: gonna see some overpays with some really good young position
29:36
Speaker 7: players being traded for them, and people want to be
29:39
Speaker 7: a part of it, and I totally get it. Look
29:41
Speaker 7: in my career, I traded so many relievers. I traded
29:44
Speaker 7: Jeff Shaw for Paul Knerico Tournament, and Mike Cameron turned
29:47
Speaker 7: him into Ken Griffy. I traded Dmitri Young Jeff Brandley
29:50
Speaker 7: for Dmitri Young. I traded Dave Berber for Sean Casey.
29:53
Speaker 7: I'll trade relievers all day long. I'll get another one.
29:55
Speaker 7: I'll go find one. You can make relievers Today. Everybody
29:58
Speaker 7: throws a hundred, everybody says these great breaking balls. Go
30:01
Speaker 7: find him. In the minor leagues. We got all kinds
30:03
Speaker 7: of relievers sitting there waiting to be developed. Go do that.
30:06
Speaker 7: If I could trade a reliever for an everyday position player, Amen,
30:09
Speaker 7: all day long, All right, real quick?
30:11
Speaker 6: One team who makes the biggest impact move between now
30:15
Speaker 6: and tomorrow?
30:16
Speaker 5: What team?
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Speaker 1: One?
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Speaker 7: Buyer? Seller?
30:19
Speaker 5: I don't care about seller. I'm talking. I want buyer.
30:21
Speaker 7: I want to win, right, I'm going I'm going I'm
30:24
Speaker 7: going Phillies. I think Dave Dombrowski's gonna make a slamming
30:28
Speaker 7: move or two. That's what I think. I think it's
30:31
Speaker 7: gonna be huge. I also think Jerry Depoto's not done.
30:34
Speaker 7: I think he's getting a reliever and maybe even another bat.
30:37
Speaker 7: But if I had to pick one team, I'm going
30:39
Speaker 7: Dave Dombrowski. It's his time. We watched them win a
30:42
Speaker 7: World Series with the Marlins, right, we watched them win
30:45
Speaker 7: a World Series of the Red Sox. We saw him
30:47
Speaker 7: take the Tigers to the World Series, the Phillies the
30:49
Speaker 7: World Series, but he's never won one in Philly. This
30:52
Speaker 7: is the group he wants to win with, and this
30:54
Speaker 7: is the best team he's had, the best chance he's had.
30:57
Speaker 7: He is He's gonna pay a price that he doesn't
30:59
Speaker 7: normally pay. One of his top prospects is gonna be
31:02
Speaker 7: gone tomorrow.
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Speaker 6: M