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Dragnet: The Big Bindle (EP4778) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 2: The story you're about to hear is true, only the
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  Speaker 2: names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a
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  Speaker 2: detective sergeant. You're assigned to narcotics detail. You receive information
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  Speaker 2: that one of your city's most fashionable hotels is being
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  Speaker 2: used as the clearing how for high grade heroin evidence
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  Speaker 2: points to a narcotics ring, the center of distribution. Your
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  Speaker 2: job break.
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  Speaker 3: It Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime. While
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  Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
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  Speaker 3: side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
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  Speaker 3: official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
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  Speaker 3: Dragnet is the story of your police force.
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  Speaker 2: In action.
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  Speaker 4: Was Tuesday, October fifth, was foggy and rainy in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: We're working the day watch out a narcotics division. My
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  Speaker 4: partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Kearney. My name
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  Speaker 4: is Friday. Was eight forty seven am when we got
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  Speaker 4: to four h one North Avenue nineteen, the main jail
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  Speaker 4: Felony Section.
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  Speaker 5: Morning, Apollos. All right today, Pete, morning, I bring you
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  Speaker 5: up here so early.
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  Speaker 4: We want to see Monty Wilkins booked in last night
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  Speaker 4: in narcotics booking numbers nine oh six, three, five, one.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let me look, okay, here it is he's in
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  Speaker 5: one oh three.
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  Speaker 6: Frank you, Pete. I'll put it in the book here Joe. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: here's my gun.
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  Speaker 7: I want to check it. What you are?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah right, I'll put them away. Okpe, did you check?
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  Speaker 7: Thank you? Pete? All set?
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  Speaker 8: Then nine O six three five one.
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  Speaker 7: That's it.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, let's go all right, all right, we want to
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  Speaker 8: talk to Monty Wilkins.
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  Speaker 7: He's No.
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  Speaker 9: Three.
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  Speaker 8: All right, we'll get him Monday.
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  Speaker 10: Welcome one on three.
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  Speaker 11: For in you.
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  Speaker 8: Hello Friday, ben ye money, better move out of the
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  Speaker 8: way there.
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  Speaker 7: He wants to lock that door. Money.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's go around the corner to the interview room.
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  Speaker 7: Money.
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  Speaker 10: All right, man, this is off.
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  Speaker 7: No matter. Don't you feel good?
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  Speaker 10: I feel awful, pretty sick?
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  Speaker 8: You look bad. I'll get the lack Okay, then.
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  Speaker 12: Set out money.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, thanks.
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  Speaker 8: Well it's been about a year and a half, hasn't it?
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  Speaker 7: Money?
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  Speaker 10: About that long? Yew?
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  Speaker 9: We got you for possition that time too.
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  Speaker 7: Didn't we.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah that's right.
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  Speaker 12: How long you've been in the stuff this time?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I guess I've been hooked bad about a month.
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  Speaker 12: How much you're shooting them?
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  Speaker 10: Well, about two caps a day?
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  Speaker 9: And you were picked up down on scott from last night.
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  Speaker 9: You had saving gaps on you.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 12: We checked with the crime lab. They've run the stuff.
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  Speaker 12: It's not the usual Mexican, is it.
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  Speaker 13: That's right, you want to tell us about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 13: it's good stuff. It's not Mexico.
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  Speaker 8: We know that money.
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  Speaker 9: Where'd you get it?
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  Speaker 13: Haven't had anything like that for a long time, real good,
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  Speaker 13: haven't been cut real fine. Maybe it's coming in from
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  Speaker 13: the East coast. You can't get nothing like that from Mexico.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, money, we ran the stuff through the lab.
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  Speaker 4: We know it's high grade heroin. We know all about it.
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  Speaker 12: Now I want you to tell us where you've been
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  Speaker 12: getting it.
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  Speaker 13: Well, you know how it is. You want to ask
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  Speaker 13: the impossible of me. My life wouldn't be worth a penny.
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  Speaker 12: You know how it is?
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  Speaker 9: Mean handles your year and a half ago, didn't you money?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: I'm telling around, aren't you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: I did time though.
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  Speaker 7: And you knew that going in.
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  Speaker 9: You're gonna do time on this trip.
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  Speaker 12: Too, So don't shoot us that line.
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  Speaker 11: Huh.
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  Speaker 10: Well, you guys know how it is with us. Guys,
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  Speaker 10: I can't tell you anything.
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  Speaker 12: No, it isn't that you can't. You just don't want to. Now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, we didn't come up here to spend the time
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  Speaker 4: of day with you, Wilkins. This is the only time around.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to help us, you can help yourself.
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  Speaker 4: At the same time. It's up to you.
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  Speaker 10: You mean, you can clear me on this. You can
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  Speaker 10: give me a break.
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  Speaker 9: And we didn't say that.
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  Speaker 6: We can't make any promises to you or give you
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  Speaker 6: any kind of a break.
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  Speaker 9: It's entirely up to you. How you want us to
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  Speaker 9: put it down our reports. Co operative or uncooperative.
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  Speaker 10: Oh okay, you squared with me last time.
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  Speaker 12: You helped us, last time we made a case.
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  Speaker 10: But I'm not gonna be able to help you very much.
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  Speaker 13: Where you've been getting it, well, I've only made a
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  Speaker 13: couple of buys on that good stuff. I just got
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  Speaker 13: it from some old mule I just happened to meet
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  Speaker 13: down there, seen to be pretty well loaded with the stuff.
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  Speaker 9: Where'd you meet him?
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  Speaker 10: Go down near fifth in the spring somewhere.
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  Speaker 9: What's his name?
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  Speaker 13: I never did know his name. I just knew that
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  Speaker 13: he was pushing the stuff, some old mule, that's all.
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  Speaker 12: Who's he pushing it for?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 13: You know they never tell us guys where they're getting it,
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  Speaker 13: you know how they do. Yeah, I never did talk
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  Speaker 13: to him very much. I did hear him say once
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  Speaker 13: he was getting his stuff from a new bunch of
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  Speaker 13: guys from the east, said they were really going to
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  Speaker 13: open up this town. Well he talked, they're no small
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  Speaker 13: time operators. I got enough out of it to know
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  Speaker 13: they're working out of the Plaza Royal Hotel.
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  Speaker 10: Never figured that, would.
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  Speaker 9: You anything else? Any names mentioned?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I remember this old mule mentioned a couple names.
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  Speaker 13: I think he talked about somebody named Kirk and another
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  Speaker 13: guy called Smith. Now you understand, this guy was just talking.
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  Speaker 13: I don't know how they fit in or what the
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  Speaker 13: connections are.
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  Speaker 7: Man, we understand.
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  Speaker 12: Where can we get a hold of this whole meal?
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  Speaker 10: I don't know where he's at.
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  Speaker 12: How do you get a hold of them when you
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  Speaker 12: want to make a buy?
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  Speaker 10: I just run into him.
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  Speaker 13: That's all down around Spring Street, you know, just around
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  Speaker 13: last time I was down.
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  Speaker 10: I couldn't find it.
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  Speaker 9: Is that all of it money? You know what you
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  Speaker 9: can tell us?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I don't know too much anyway, you know how
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  Speaker 10: it is. I couldn't tell you anymore. It's all I know.
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  Speaker 12: All right, let's get out of his five ten of
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  Speaker 12: it's all you got.
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  Speaker 10: That's everything I got. Hope you fellas will write me up.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, I think I helped you quite a bit, haven't
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  Speaker 13: I one of the best hotels in town, Plaza Royal.
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  Speaker 13: Never would have figured that, would you, Mabby. I've told
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  Speaker 13: you quite a lot. The rest ought to be easy.
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  Speaker 7: You know you're wrong.
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  Speaker 12: There many why you haven't told us the name of
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  Speaker 12: your mu. You haven't told us where we could find him.
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  Speaker 12: You haven't made it so easy.
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  Speaker 10: It's all I have. I've told you a lot.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, there's a lot you didn't tell.
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  Speaker 4: We continued our interrogation of Matty Wilkins. He refused to
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  Speaker 4: divulge any further information. What he had told us, together
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  Speaker 4: with information already compiled, seemed to check out.
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  Speaker 7: For the past seven months.
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  Speaker 4: We've been trying to localize the operations of what had
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  Speaker 4: come to be regarded as a well running distribution center
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  Speaker 4: for high grade heroin. We knew of the existence of
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  Speaker 4: this distribution point through the various us that had been
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  Speaker 4: picked up almost daily. These users would have in their
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  Speaker 4: possession quantities of high grade and narcotics.
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  Speaker 7: Unlike the cheaper, lower.
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  Speaker 4: Grade quality common in the southwest part of the country,
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  Speaker 4: this type of heroin was more common to the eastern
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  Speaker 4: section of the United States. We had believed the local
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  Speaker 4: distribution point to be somewhere in our metropolitan downtown area.
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  Speaker 4: The information gained from Matty Wilkins had strengthened this theory.
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  Speaker 4: Ten twenty five am we met with Francis Kerney, captain
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  Speaker 4: of the Narcotics.
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  Speaker 2: Division Pliza Royal Hotel.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, we've figured what we were
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  Speaker 6: looking for could be in that area, but we've never
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  Speaker 6: put her finger on that hotel.
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  Speaker 2: How do you figure on working it?
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  Speaker 7: Or driving back from the jail?
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  Speaker 4: Ben and I were just kicking it around, Skipper, what
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  Speaker 4: do you think about putting a man in that hotel?
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  Speaker 2: Anything's a great deal better than we're doing now, But
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to give it a try.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure like a crack attage giver, you know how
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  Speaker 2: I feel about these kind of assignments. One man working
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  Speaker 2: inside one outside brings the element of danger up kind
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  Speaker 2: of high.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we know it's not going to be easy, but
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  Speaker 7: it looks like a good bet.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes these things are. Sometimes they're not. You know what
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  Speaker 2: kind of a bunch they got to be and running
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  Speaker 2: their racket just about as smooth as it can be
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  Speaker 2: run you know the kind of a risk of man
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  Speaker 2: it'd have to take if you tried to make contact
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  Speaker 2: with any of them.
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  Speaker 7: Do we think it's about the quickest way to get
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  Speaker 7: to them.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it might be with it. You got any ideas
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  Speaker 2: how you'd like to work it.
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  Speaker 6: There's just one thing. We haven't come to any decision.
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  Speaker 6: Who's going in who is well.
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  Speaker 4: I think I ought to be the one to work
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  Speaker 4: it from the inside of the hotel, with Ben working
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  Speaker 4: outside as a contact.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why we can't just turn that around.
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  Speaker 6: Last time you had the rough end, Joe. You just
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  Speaker 6: got back from your vacation about three weeks ago, didn't you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's right, And she stayed out in Arizona, Phoenix with it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you know the town very well.
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  Speaker 7: We got some relatives down there.
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  Speaker 2: They started asking you any questions about Phoenix. You could
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  Speaker 2: fill them in. I think so that's probably the best
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  Speaker 2: way to settle it. Ramara Friday here'll be in a
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  Speaker 2: better position knowing a little about Phoenix.
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  Speaker 6: I don't see how you figured that way. I went
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  Speaker 6: on my vacation too. Colimba's Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because of the type of stuff that's been coming in,
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  Speaker 2: don't you think it'd be a little safeer bet to
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  Speaker 2: have our men come from somewhere out this way rather
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  Speaker 2: than from the east.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it makes sense. Well, you did it again, Joe,
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  Speaker 6: you beat me out. All right, Let's figure it this way.
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  Speaker 6: You're a local Phoenix hoodlum. Things got too hot for
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  Speaker 6: you down there, and you came up to La to
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  Speaker 6: cool og. Yeah, how about Joe Edwards. How does that sound?
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  Speaker 7: That sounds right to me.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get all the necessary cards, identification papers and a
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  Speaker 2: few letters to carry around with you, all under the
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  Speaker 2: name Joe Edwards.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I think the best way to work it is for
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  Speaker 2: you to hop right down to Phoenix. When you get
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  Speaker 2: in town, check with Roberts. He's a narcotics down there.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Have Roberts filled in on what's been going on down there,
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  Speaker 2: any of their current characters they've handled recently, any that
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  Speaker 2: have been known to pass through, you know, so you
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  Speaker 2: can talk about it freely.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand, Joe.
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  Speaker 6: Well, when you check into the hotel down there, why
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  Speaker 6: don't you wear a head up here to the Plaza
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  Speaker 6: Royal for reservation.
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  Speaker 2: Might be a good cover, good thought, that's the way
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  Speaker 2: to handle it. YouTube worked these things before, you know
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  Speaker 2: what to do, all the necessary precautions.
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  Speaker 7: Well, how long do you figure out to lay over
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  Speaker 7: in Phoenix? A couple of days?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, I think that's long enough for you to get
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  Speaker 2: filled in what you mean?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that's fine. Well I'll go home and get packed.
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  Speaker 4: I'll start on it first thing in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Ramero, I'll stand by at all times, day
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  Speaker 2: and night while you're on this thing. You know enough
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  Speaker 2: to call if things get tight. Sure, since you get
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  Speaker 2: in from Phoenix and get located at the Plaza Royal,
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  Speaker 2: get in touch so we'll know which way to move
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  Speaker 2: right anything else. Oh, we want to break this thing,
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  Speaker 2: but we don't want to do it at the risk
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  Speaker 2: of the life. So if it starts getting warm, check out.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I still don't like sending anybody on something like this,
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  Speaker 2: but it's got to be done. We don't know enough
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  Speaker 2: about it. We don't know how many are in the gang.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know what kind of a bunch they are,
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  Speaker 2: So be careful. I will if you're not. And I
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  Speaker 2: hear about it. This will be your last assignment like this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't hear about it. Well you figure it, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Either way I lose.
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  Speaker 4: I went over to the photo room at the crime
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  Speaker 4: labn't picked up the identification papers that had been made
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  Speaker 4: out in the name of Joe Edwards.
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  Speaker 7: I went home and.
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  Speaker 4: Removed all Los Angeles labels from the clothing that I
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  Speaker 4: was to take with me to Phoenix, Arizona. I removed
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  Speaker 4: all my personal ideaification in Los Angeles Police Department credentials.
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  Speaker 7: I left my service.
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  Speaker 4: Revolver home and borrowed a thirty eight automatic from Ben.
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  Speaker 7: I packed it in my suitcase.
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  Speaker 4: The crime lab also furnished me with a package or
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  Speaker 4: a bendle made to resemble the usual form in which
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  Speaker 4: a person would carry Heroin. I packed this in my suitcase.
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  Speaker 4: Before my departure, Ben and I went over the proposed
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  Speaker 4: plan as best we could. I was to arrive from
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  Speaker 4: Phoenix under the assumed name of Joe Edwards. I would
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  Speaker 4: register at the Plaza Royal Hotel in downtown Los Angeles
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  Speaker 4: an attempt to make arrangements to participate in a narcotics buy
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  Speaker 4: for the purpose of gaining sufficient evidence to apprehend the
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  Speaker 4: narcotics ring. I was to keep Ben informed as best
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  Speaker 4: I could of my progress, as outlined by Captain Kearney.
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  Speaker 4: I arrived in Phoenix and contacted Sergeant Roberts at the
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  Speaker 4: Detective Bureau down there. He furnished me with all the
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  Speaker 4: necessary information and assisted me in acquiring local Phoenix clothing
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  Speaker 4: store labels to have sown in my clothing. I obtained
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  Speaker 4: everything possible to make it appear that I was a
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  Speaker 4: longtime resident of Phoenix, Arizona. Several dummy hotel bills were
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  Speaker 4: made up for me to make it look as if
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  Speaker 4: I had lived there for a period of time. I
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  Speaker 4: was furnished with an Arizona driver's license, a membership in
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  Speaker 4: the local social club, and a voters registration step.
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  Speaker 7: These were all packed in my suitcase.
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  Speaker 4: October ninth, ten am, I arrived at the Plaza Royal
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  Speaker 4: Hotel the front desk, Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Sir, my name's Edwards. I'm in from Phoenix. Did you
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  Speaker 7: get my wire one moment there, Yes, sir, Joe Edwards. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: that's the right.
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  Speaker 2: Would you sign the register please?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 14: All right, thank you, but yes, sir. Would you show
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  Speaker 14: this gentleman in room two eleven please, yes.
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  Speaker 7: Sir, this way, please all right, go ahead, sir, thank.
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  Speaker 15: You too, please. Not very nice weather. To arrive in
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  Speaker 15: Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 7: Is it s no good?
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  Speaker 15: I see by the stickers on your bags you've been
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  Speaker 15: through Arizona.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 15: It must be nice weather down there.
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  Speaker 7: Huh yeah, that's all right.
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  Speaker 15: This way, sir.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.
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  Speaker 15: Let me open my window for you, sir. A little
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  Speaker 15: fresh air in here.
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  Speaker 7: All right, okay, thanks, here you go.
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  Speaker 15: Thank you very much, sir. Help you with your bags?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah all right.
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  Speaker 15: Oh I'm sorry, sir. Something dropped out on the floor here.
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  Speaker 7: You better let me have that.
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  Speaker 15: Sorry, very sorry that happened. That's all right, mister Edwards.
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  Speaker 16: While you're in town here, if there's anything I can
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  Speaker 16: do for you, don't hesitate letting. Yeah okay, I couldn't help.
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  Speaker 16: But notice that little package there that I dropped. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 16: like I say, I know my way around here in
• 16:07
  Speaker 16: this town.
• 16:07
  Speaker 15: If you need anything, you know, anything at all.
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: Sir, I'll tell you what. Now, here's five bucks.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: You never saw anything fall out of my bag there, right,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: anything you say, sir? Okay, thanks a lot, see you.
• 16:19
  Speaker 15: Later, huh yes, sir, anything else, sir?
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: No, No, that'll be all.
• 16:27
  Speaker 15: You'll remember what I told you, sir.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing to you.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: I couldn't be sure, but it looked like I'd been
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: lucky right from the start. The bell boy at the
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Plaza Royal Hotel. I didn't know if I could consider
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: this an opening contact or not, but he seemed to
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: show more than a passing interest in the bundle of
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: narcotics that he had seen fall from my suitcase. I
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: didn't feel it was the right time to press the
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: issue any further with a bell hop, but I figured
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I'd wait and leave the next move up to whoever
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: he might have.
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: Been working for. During the next three days, nothing happened.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: I tried, without appearing to be too bold, to arouse
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: some interest, but without success. October thirteenth, my fifth day
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: at the Plaza Royal Hotel, six pm, I went in
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: the bar off the main lobby.
• 17:12
  Speaker 17: I beg your pardon, Yeah, Kirk Carting's my name. I
• 17:15
  Speaker 17: noticed you here in the bar in the last couple
• 17:16
  Speaker 17: of nights. You're up here to Biolho are you selling?
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: I don't believe a folly already.
• 17:20
  Speaker 17: Look, boy, we've had you, tab Sin said first day
• 17:22
  Speaker 17: you hit town October ninth. We haven't been out here
• 17:25
  Speaker 17: too long ourself. We're in business too. The same business
• 17:27
  Speaker 17: you're in.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of business you think I
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: am in, But you got it figured wrong.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: Mister.
• 17:31
  Speaker 17: You know this entire matter work out much better for
• 17:33
  Speaker 17: you in the long run if you'd level with me.
• 17:34
  Speaker 17: You're just going to make it tough on yourself. This
• 17:36
  Speaker 17: way A sorry, you lost me way back somewhere. All right,
• 17:39
  Speaker 17: let's do it the hard way. You're up here from Phoenix.
• 17:43
  Speaker 17: We know you've got some stuff with you. We know
• 17:45
  Speaker 17: you're not a user. You're a member of the social
• 17:46
  Speaker 17: club down there. They're registered voting.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, you've been working real hard, haven't.
• 17:50
  Speaker 17: So there's more. You've got two pieces of luggage. You're
• 17:53
  Speaker 17: carrying a thirty eight automatic anymore. Yeah, it was telegrammed
• 17:56
  Speaker 17: from a friend of mine down in Phoenix. Yah, we
• 17:59
  Speaker 17: know all about you.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic cases from official police files.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: It was a tight moment as Kirk Harding fingered the
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: telegram in the bar of the Plaza Royal Hotel. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: had spent many hours in consultation with Sergeant Roberts in Phoenix,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Arizona before undertaking this assignment. I felt sure that we
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: hadn't overlooked anything that might lead to my true identity.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Kirk Harding read the wire to me was from a
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: man with the name of George Ferguson. He'd done some
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: legwork for Harding and had not been able to furnish
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: him with anything other than what had been found out.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: And going over my room, I knew I'd found the
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: contact that I was looking for.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: I told him that I was in the business of buying.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Narcotics, that I was in Los Angeles for the purpose
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: of making a pre arranged narcotics buy with agents dealing
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: in Mexican stuff. Ediately gave me a strong sales pitch,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: saying that he could furnish me with high grade heroin
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: fresh from the European market in quantity. At the end
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: of the first week, I was introduced to kirk Harding's
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: two associates, another man called Smith full name Horace L. Smith,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and a woman by the name of Lucille Cosgrove. Ben
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: had been unable to find records on any.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: Of the three.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: For the next three weeks we became more friendly. We
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: went places together, spent a great deal of time together. Monday,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: November fifteenth, Well.
• 19:28
  Speaker 15: We've had a lot of fun the last few weeks ely.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: He there's no doubt about that. But I got to
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: be getting back to Phoenix now.
• 19:33
  Speaker 17: I don't get eager, Joe. You know how kg you were.
• 19:35
  Speaker 17: You made us waite. Phliminaries are over. This is a
• 19:38
  Speaker 17: big buy for you or anybody else. Yeah, I know
• 19:40
  Speaker 17: all that, but who am? Just be patient. You will
• 19:42
  Speaker 17: have something to really set yourself up with down there. Okay,
• 19:44
  Speaker 17: excuse me, Joe?
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead?
• 19:49
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: Hello, hi, Alusi, it's a matter Smith. Don't you feel good?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know Soto food.
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: I guess I think I got an alcer My stomachs
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: are all the time.
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, it's too bad. I don't know what it could be.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Baking Suda don't do any good anymore? Better drink Joe?
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, fine with me.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Let's say you want to get some ice out of kitchen.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Please here, ex get me Smith. You want to go
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: see a doctor. You don't know for sure what's wrong
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: with you. It might make it worse.
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: If I don't know what it is. How could a
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: doctor I don't know?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: It works for everybody else might for you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 18: Hey, I can't get this ice straight up?
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: Joe?
• 20:27
  Speaker 18: Would you give me a hand please?
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: Sure, Okay, which one here?
• 20:35
  Speaker 18: I got paid Ice, keep working on that other tree.
• 20:37
  Speaker 18: There's something to tell. Okay, listen, Joe with big byes tonight?
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: You sure?
• 20:45
  Speaker 15: Yeah?
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: I about it?
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: You do you need any help?
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: No, that's all right, correct, It's come along fine, Joe.
• 20:49
  Speaker 18: As soon as you sure your money tonight, they're going
• 20:50
  Speaker 18: to kill you hot.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 20:52
  Speaker 18: Look, we don't have time to go into it. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 18: know you won't have a chance. They're gonna kid, what.
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: Are you doing?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Wait, you're going to freeze? Come on, I'm about to.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Ask all right here, Kirk, I'm sorry, let's go.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what do you want?
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Let's see Joe cocais are Yeah, I'll make my n
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: burden a little water.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Smith, you're sure you don't want one?
• 21:13
  Speaker 15: No, I can't do it, Joe for I mix him.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I got some point. Yeah, Smith tells me tonight tonight.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Well that's good. But why don't you tell me a
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: little ahead of time? I got a date for the night.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I think you better break that one and keep this one,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: don't you.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: Well yeah, I do, but just wish you to tell
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: me a little sooner.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: There's the phone. You can take care.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: Is it all right with you.
• 21:33
  Speaker 17: You know as much about this business as we do.
• 21:36
  Speaker 17: Go ahead and use it as long as we can
• 21:38
  Speaker 17: hit you keep.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Fine, just take a minute, just sit here, Joe. Oh
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: thanks Smith. Yeah, see, I wonder if you get my
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: drink for me over there. Sure she's probably gonna be upset.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: I may need it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: Huh.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: All right, honey, this is Joe.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Joe.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I won't be able to make it tonight. Dear,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you can't talk Hill, that's right, dear, No, I just
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: can't get out of it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: I'll do the dog in Joe's a bidennight.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well it just came up all of a suddenly. No, darling,
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: I can't tell you where I'm going. You couldn't go
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: along anyway.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, we'll be with you five.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Minutes from now.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: All the way, Well you're not the hotel.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the way it is, and I can't help.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But that's all they We can get together later.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: Huh.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: We use one car, Joe's take as close as we
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: can do. Eat one car. It'll be safe him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Well, it's better, honey. Now that's the way I like
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: to hear your talk. I'm sorry. I'll see you later,
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: hunh we'll be wait you okay, dear.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Well, she still love you?
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, she loves me.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Fifteen minutes after I hung up, we went downstairs and
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: got into a green Chrysler Sedan was parked out in
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: front of the hotel. I looked around. I didn't see
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Ben or any of our cars in sight. Smith drove
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: and Kirk and I got in the back seat. The woman,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Lucille Cosgrove, remained at the hotel. I didn't know which
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: of the two men was planning to kill me, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I felt sure Lucille Cosgrove told me the truth. Her
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: information on the by was right, and maybe this other
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: was correct as well. We drove out Figaroa Street for
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: about sixteen miles. At this point it became evident we
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: were heading for the Los Angeles Harbor area.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Do you ever see if fog is thick as this
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to you?
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: No? Never have.
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: I can't see fifty feet in front of me.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, just take it easy. Nobody's in a hurry.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's right, I want to pile up anywhere.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Where are we going?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: We're almost there.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: This is your car here. I've never seen this one before.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: No, we run it isn't that the way you opening.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. Just wondered if you played it as
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: safe as I do.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: We do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: I'm going to swing in this next Daley up here, Kirk,
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: somebody tailing us?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Kid your lights right?
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: See anything at the back winded?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute? How they go?
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: How did it look?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Good? Guys in the front seat? Could have been somebody?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Jo? Want to look at you?
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: Well? Whoever it was, we lost him anyway.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's go.
• 24:44
  Speaker 18: Who are that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: Clear spot here in the fog?
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: Don't see your soul anywhere?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 24:49
  Speaker 17: Were almost there now, Yeah, just around the corner, says
• 24:53
  Speaker 17: a break, isn't it? FOG's clear right in here? I
• 24:56
  Speaker 17: was socked in back up there. We're as safe as
• 24:59
  Speaker 17: you'd want to be. Yeah, yeah, that's right. This is
• 25:02
  Speaker 17: it over by the storage building.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Let's go.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: Over this, great Joe, what's over there in that building?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: We're not going inside, just over there in that alcove,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: all right, they said, Joe, let's see the money.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: Oh wait till I see the stuff. Huh.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You don't trust anybody, do you? What are you trying
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to prove? Well?
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: I didn't like what he said.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna like what I got to say either,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: freeze mister?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: What's it?
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: Then he ducked in this alcove.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Oh, take care of that one there.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: Alright, easy?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, you seem.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: No, it's too dark there he is, all right, throw
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: your gun out ahead of you.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: He's not gonna throw that gun out, Joe, watch it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: Come on, nurse's gone.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: You want to shake him down? Ye on? Your feature?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: What'd you get hit? I sure? Let me see you?
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Just grazy. You're a cop, aren't you?
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah? That's right. Now, come on, let's go.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Where's this stuff on the back seat in my car? Now?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: You tell me something?
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: Why? Just like Smith, I just wanted something I knew
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: you'd never give me. What's that? An even chance.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true? Only the
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: names were changed to protect the innocent.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: On January fourth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: eighty one, city in County of Los Angeles, State of California.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: In a moment the results of that trial, all three suspects,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Kirk Arthur Harding, Horace L. Smith, and Lucille Marie Cosgrove
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: were convicted for violation of the state narcotics actor felony.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Harding and Smith were convicted on one count of attempt
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to commit murder. They are now serving their terms as
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: prescribed by law in the state penitentiaries. You have just
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: and technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department.
• 27:30
  Speaker 17: Stay tuned for Counterspy next over most NBC stations.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. I love the under cover cases, and I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: think that Joe Friday did a very good job being
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: flavora Blake Hagey, still doing what he had to do
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to get the job done. Then, of course it did
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: lead to an excise and a little bit of suspense. Now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: some of you might scoff at Ben Romero's vacation to Columbus, Ohio,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: but as my wife was born in Columbus, I'm required
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to say that it is a wonderful vacation spat and seriously,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Columbus Zoo is absolutely great, one of the top zoos
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in the country. In addition, it's very well possible, since
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Romero had kids, that they may have driven over to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Cedar Point, which is one of the largest amusement parks
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: in the country and certainly had a great reputation, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: this was before you had all of the themed parks
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: in southern California. Of course, from my reading, it wasn't
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: necessarily at its best in the immediate post war era,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: with some issues at the park that would be resolved,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but nevertheless a great place to visit these days now.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I did actually get a comment on the first run
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: through of The Big Bendel from Mechanic Fix six' eight to,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: two who Writes lucille saved a cops life and got no. Break,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: well first of, ALL i would, continue we don't know
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: if she got a. Break we're told the sentence was
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: as prescribed by, law and we don't really know if
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: there was any sort of leniency in the. Sentenccene and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: certainly this type of thing also could come up in
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a parole. Case and, also she didn't know she was
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: saving a cops. Life she thought she was saving a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: drug dealer's, life and may have contributed to the survival
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of a police officer in totally incidental. FASHION i, mean
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: if it had been a case Where joe had actually
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: been a drug dealer and the police had got onto
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: this another way and caught the. Criminals would you expect
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a lighter sentence because she tried to save a fellow. Criminal,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: well the position is this is a great injustice because
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: she accidentally saved a police officer while trying to save
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a fellow narcotics. Criminal AND i think saved his life
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: might be a bit of an, overstatement regardless of Whether
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: joe thought he was going to be killed or. Not
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and he didn't even have the chance to reveal that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: aspect of it when he Called Ben. Romero the police
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: were still going to be there at the scene of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the drug. Buy and even without the, warning this Is Joe.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Friday he's not some babe in the. Woods he knows
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that when it comes to making drug deals that this
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: is not something that's unheard of with drug dealers to.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Do So i'd say there's a strong chance that he
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: gets out of there alive, anyway but allow that maybe
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: being a tad more prepared might have made that sort
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of split second. Difference so the information she provided in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: order to save a fellow drug felon from being killed
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: might have provided some marginal advantage for an undercover police
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: officer that might have possibly potentially made the difference between
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: life and. DEATH i don't think it would be the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: worst thing in the world for a court to cut
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: her a little bit of slack in the sentence, scene
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: as much as the law might allow at that. TIME
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: i think it might be a slight overstatement of the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: value and the moral worth of this very unintentional good
• 32:04
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• 32:09
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• 33:34
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• 33:37
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• 33:41
  Speaker 1: i think and police don't need a warrant as it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: is a condition. To parole that, being said technically they
• 33:49
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• 33:53
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  Speaker 1: Just informed and we also have to keep in mind
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  Speaker 1: that they were operating under the case law as it
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  Speaker 1: existed in nineteen fifty one or whenever the case was,
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  Speaker 1: originally handled so that might be one case where a
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  Speaker 1: warrant was not the issue regarding the big. Case scene
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  Speaker 1: harrison takes a little bit of an Issue With lee,
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  Speaker 1: jones statement you have to feel good about letting a
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  Speaker 1: man that probably didn't help his wife's mental condition by
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  Speaker 1: always arguing with her, for years and feel good is
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  Speaker 1: only a suicide and not. A murder, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: good good cash to. BE seen i think in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the Fact that Friday and ramero put themselves
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  Speaker 1: so out on a limb and being certain that he
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  Speaker 1: was guilty and going with these, BIG allegations i think he,
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  Speaker 1: was saying, in essence the end result is the job.
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  Speaker 1: Was done the truth, came out and we didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to go through all of the things that come with
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: prosecuting someone and having to go through all of that
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  Speaker 1: and to make this man's life away, from him, you
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  Speaker 1: know whether that's through the death penalty or from life.
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  Speaker 1: In prison it was a good thing they found the
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  Speaker 1: truth and are able to clear someone who didn't commit. The,
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  Speaker 1: crime admittedly the husband is not a particularly, sympathetic character
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  Speaker 1: particularly to, modern LISTENERS and i think with good reason
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  Speaker 1: if he ever asked the spouse of The year award
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  Speaker 1: nomination was not lost in, The mail but judging what
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  Speaker 1: happened in their marriage and the whole psychology of it
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  Speaker 1: is kind of beyond. Their remit it's a question of,
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  Speaker 1: legal responsibility which he did. Not, have, now though it's
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