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Simone and Malcolm Collins of Based Camp on the Bear Meme and More! | Fireside Chat 246 · Honey Badger Radio

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Httery whiskey. Oh you told me you could deliver looking for security, Oh
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suddenly lay for not riding read it. Let's begin. Indeed, Hello everybody,
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and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian and this is
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the fireside chat. Normally the fireside chat is just me and like one other
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person, but this time we got like a whole Schmort's board of people with
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opinions. I'm here with, of course the Boss, Allison, and our
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very special guest. Well, I don't know how to I'm just gonna say
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based camp, which consists of Malcolm and Simone. I saw you guys doing
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the rounds, you know, actually before we get into it. First place
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I ever saw you. Might surprise people, it was not side scrollers.
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I think that's where a lot of people saw you guys. First. I
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saw you on this guy I watch every once in a while, Paul Vander
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Clay and so yes, yes I am. I mean I think he's all
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right. I think he's a, you know, a pretty interesting fellow.
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And I saw you guys, And it was interesting because it was around the
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time that Alison and I were responding to a Tom Woods podcast. We were
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talking about the uh where he was talking to a guy who runs a website
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called why am I natalism dot com or natalism dot org or something like that,
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and they were essentially trying to promote, you know, people creating families.
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And so I saw you guys, and you seemed like just and I
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know, judging a book by its cover. But when I looked at you,
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I was like, there's no way these people are like having babies,
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Like they're literally the characters from the beginning of videocracy that are like, I'm
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gonna freeze my eggs until you know. But no, no, you guys
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were totally into it, and I thought your story was quite fascinating. And
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then what really got my attention was the bear meme. Because we have been
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talking about this kind of what Allison calls it threatn narratives around men for a
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long time. At Allison's been probably doing it for twenty years. I've been
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doing it for the last ten and the meme is just kind of like the
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latest incarnation of this same thing, and no one was talking about it in
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the way that we or you have guys were talking about it. Because I
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think that people tend to take some of these hypotheticals literally but not seriously,
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and I think that you guys had actually, especially Malcolm, had taken he
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was considering like the deeper implications of this, and so after that, I
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was like, I want to reach out to you guys, So thanks for
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coming on the show. I love this. We are so glad to be
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here. Where you first heard of us is so indicative of your guy's online
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profile and the type of content you consume. Because I was like, oh,
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well, I assumed you were going to say Modern Wisdom with Chris Williams
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said, because we were on that about a year before any of that other
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stuff, which is a very mainstream podcast or Piers Morgan or just pearly things.
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But no, it's it's it's side scrollers. It's popular, but still
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a fairly like nerdy cut. And then Paul. People who don't know who
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Paul Vanderkley is. He's like a Christian theology YouTuber, which is which is
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really cool. That's a community we quite like, Well, we'll be doing
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something with like the Millennial Skeptic soon. But I can jump right into our
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take on the bear meme because I thought that what it showed was how much
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when we talk about society, we talk about it in terms of cultural groups.
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And the cultural group that is mostly represented in the left is what we
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call the urban monoculture, which exists in most urban centers around the world,
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and it has facets like wocism and like different things, but either are more
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like a cast or sub factions. Was in the larger movement. You can
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almost think of them as like religious orders of like the Catholic Church, but
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they're still Catholics, you know. And it showed to us the bear meme
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how successfully this movement has dehumanized men into just being reflexively monsters, and the
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way that we framed it on that particular episode, which I had actually done
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just to try to catch the algorithm, Like I didn't feel like I had
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any deep thoughts in that episode, but I just was showing images of the
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women who they were interviewing. But then I'd put the word black before the
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term man. I'd put the term Jewish before the term man, like,
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well, you know, I can't really feel safe around black men. Well,
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you know, the bear doesn't always attack, but black men do,
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or well, you know how dangerous you know, and when you hear it
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like that, And now what's so interesting is casting the man in this narrative
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as a racial minority to the urban monoculture immediately humanizes him. So the moment
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they hear that was the term black in front of it, they go,
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oh, I'm talking about a human within a category they did not choose to
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be born into in this incredibly dehumanizing and derogatory way. I'm not supposed to
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do that, Like, that's horrible. And we live in a society now
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where they can be like, well, that that's not true. I mean
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black people are systematically discriminated against. It. I'm like, yeah, and
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look at the rates of men who get into college, look at like earning
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differences between young men and young women, look at like among most metrics,
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if you cut off the generation that grew up in the seventies, you know,
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which are increasingly becoming a smaller part of our society, you see a
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society where men are being systemically discriminated against. And they're like, yeah,
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well, the legal system, you know, even treats black people differently than
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non black people. And it's like, oh, why don't you look at
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the way that legal system treats men in things like murder trials? There have
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been tons of studies done on this. They're much more likely to be convicted
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than women. Or they're like, well, well, hold on, it's
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justified with men because men commit grapes at higher rates than women, and therefore
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I'm justified. And I'm like, well, you could look at crime stats
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and they're like wow wow wow wow wow wow wow. And I'm like,
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this is why we have these rules for discriminated groups. This is why we
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built these norms, because the first step in in systematic discrimination and then violence
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is the dehumanization of a group. That is always what the powers that be
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do first. And I should note that none of this I don't think that
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there's anyone intentionally doing all of this. I think that a lot of this
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is just sort of a way the urban monoculture recruits people like you can get
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to the nuances, and then the systems of it that we're doing this out
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competed the systems that didn't. I mean, the dehumanization of specific genders and
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sexes and ethnic groups is something that has co evolved, are convergently evolved in
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many cultural successful cultural groups throughout history, so it's not surprising that it happened
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here. But we can also look and see what happens next. But anyway,
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I've been ranting, that's okay, that's great, you just jumped right
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in. I love it. So it's interesting you bring it up in the
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case of how you make the argument by saying, look, if you take
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men by itself, it doesn't appear to pierce the consciousness of people to be
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like, WHOA, that's messed up. But if you have to, you
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add a descriptor, you make them black or Jewish or gay or something,
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and all of a sudden, people are like, WHOA, this changes everything
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and what I wanted because we talk about men's issues. We've been doing this
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for a long time, and one of the things that is the most difficult
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sort of like perimeter to pierce to like get past. The first obstacle is
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getting people to see men as men first, not black men, not gay
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men, not whatever men, right, And it's it's extremely difficult, and
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I think the Baar meme demonstrates that. So that's like, I want to
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know, Simon, if you have any thoughts on this, because I saw,
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like I watched your video. We kind of responded to it too,
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I think, right, Allison, we like did a little response video.
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We were nice to you guys. We're not normally nice to people, but
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we were nice to you guys. You don't need to be nice. No,
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no, yeah, no, that's cool. So anyway, simone,
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what do you think? What do you think? I'm really grateful for Malcolm's
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coverage of this because I come in like your typical YouTube viewer. I think
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that's how our podcast works, Like he has interesting things to say, and
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I'm like, oh, like I kind of ask the dumb questions and follow
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along. And I had no idea just how insensitive the entire meme was from
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the beginning and kind of couldn't believe it. And I think what's going on
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with our culture is kind of like that, that there's this spoiling the frog
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thing that's happening where a lot of people kind of take what they're hearing at
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face value and they're like, yeah, I don't know whatever. So like,
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people are saying this and they're not thinking through to the conclusions of what
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is underneath the surface. What Malcolm laid bear with what he just said,
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you know, about what we're really saying. And I'm glad that. I'm
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glad that you guys and Malcolm are kind of highlighting these things because I representing
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the average person, would I would ask, then, why do you think
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like when you realized it, why do you think you were like, why
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do you think you didn't see it before? Because this is like another thing
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that I'm trying to like get people to think about, Like, if you're
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just now learning that you know, men are human, not that you didn't
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think that, but like I'm being hyperbolic on purpose, if you're just now
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realizing that the way that we treat our men is so callous in not just
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what we do say, because men don't really want their butts kissed, right,
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but in what we don't say or the way that we sort of like
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there's like this radiation of I don't know, like of danger towards women around
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them, and then you realize it and then you're like You're wondering where did
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that come from? So I'm wondering if you've thought about that. Yeah,
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I mean, you know, when it comes to like how how do you
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jar people into awareness about these things, you have to be jarring. And
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I think that's the problem because most people are just going to you know,
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I think the best explanation for This is how I heard they structured jokes in
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thirty Rock, the show that was written by Tina Fan Company. They had
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this structure where jokes were delivered in a one two punch, so they would
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deliver the joke for like smart people first, and then they would literally spell
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out the joke. And you can see this when you watch the show really
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consistently. And I think that that's sort of the key, is that there
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are these tiers of people online. There are people like you who immediately get
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the joke and you're like, holy shit, get you believe this is happening?
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Yeah, And then there's the rest of society where they're like huh,
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you know, and then you have to be like and yeah, like you
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have to explain what was just so funny about it. And I think a
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lot of it comes to dumbing things down in that way. I'm not saying
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because you know, people are dumb. I'm saying because people are distracted.
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Typically when we're watching something like this, we're also folding laundry or shopping or
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pretending to work or something like that. Right, So I think that's one
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reason why is our attention is so divided now, and our attention spans are
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so short that a lot of really important things are getting past us, and
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a really important job of the average YouTuber commentator, like sort of anything anyone
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who's providing commentary online who knows any non trivial following, is to kind of
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jar people away from that and to be aware of the fact that they're only
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half paying attention. Well, I also want to point out this specifically during
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the episode, because the episode was basically me trying to get someone to realize
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this is a big deal, and her initial reaction was, well, they
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must not really mean it, like it's something that's being said all of the
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time, but they must be like thinking of men who aren't their immediate family
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members or the people that they actually know. And then I would be like,
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no, here's a follow up interview where this woman literally said, including
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my dad, including my brother, you know. And this is how dehumanization
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works, and it's happened so many times throughout history that I think people can't
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realize or struggle to recognize when they are on or they have adopted the villainous
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perspective where they are really within the bad guy group and the group that is
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going down total dehumanization. So you see the cultural group, the urban monoculture
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that's doing this with men. But you know it's not just doing this with
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men. You know, it's built a ethnic based cast system where the human
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dignity of some groups is determined by their ethnicity. You know, in Pennsylvania
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and my home state, we had the COVID vaccine, which at least the
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progressives who are making these laws believed with saving lives, was distributed based on
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ethnicity, not based on medical need. So it wasn't distributed to the elderly
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first. It was distributed to the ethnic groups that are considered more deserving its
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human dignity by the urban monoculture. And now we have entered a stage in
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the last few years where the lowest point on this ethnic hierarchy is use.
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And I'm like, you guys just reinvented Nazism. You like, you don't
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realize it yet because you hear people in your community saying these things, saying
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these things about men, saying the things about Jews, and they're like,
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oh, I'm gonna use a different word, you know, I'm gonna use
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zionist or something, but like we all know what you mean. And because
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you know, depending on the survey. You look at us, like nine
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ninety five percent of Jews there Zionists, and so you you you have because
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it's your group. And this is the thing. They think of themselves as
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good. They think of the actions of like the woke as being intrinsically good,
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and so they define good by the things that they and their cultural group
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are doing without looking for the historic parallels or where things can go. And
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this really reminds me of a story that I was told by, you know,
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my girlfriend in high school about her grandfather. And this was during the
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Holocaust, and he are before the Holocaust, and he had read Minekoff and
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then he went around his community, which was a Jewish ghetto, and he
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was like trying to get them freaked out. He was like, he says,
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right here, like Jews are sub human, Jews deserve this, Jews
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deserve this. We have to leave. But he was a teenager and nobody
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took him seriously, and eventually he ended up like getting like disinvited from things,
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ended up becoming a pariah within the community. And it ended up with
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him breaking his girlfriend's window and basically kidnapping her in the middle of the night
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and running away and that was how they ended up surviving. But I think
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that people they just don't know how bad things can get. Because somebody like
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simonk she hears I literally prefer a bear to a man, and she doesn't
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think they're serious about this. And I think that that's the problem. Was
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like cognitively all their people is they don't realize how much of humanity is just
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the masses, how much of humanity is just swarm physics. And by that
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what I mean is the you know, the classic line, you know,
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how dumb the average person is, Well, half of them are dumber than
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that. And so a lot of people, because they're not interacting with these
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dumb masses, they don't know how they can aspire a lot of control.
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Yeah, and this is how you get things like Nazi Germany, and like,
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I am definitely that person who's like, they don't really mean that about
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Jews, you know, like and then you know, a couple of years
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later, we have, you know, some of the most terrible atrocities that
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have ever taken place, and so it is really important to take the thing
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seriously. Yeah, it's a while back, like about ten twelve years ago,
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I created a video called a son of threat narrative, and it went
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through and it compared feminist rhetoric to rhetoric that was used by Nazi Germany segregationists
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and you know, other people in the past who had targeted specific groups for
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propagation. And it was identical down to every to the phrasing, to the
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use of comparisons to animals, not just animals, but dangerous animals. And
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that was the first video that I've ever had that was banned off of YouTube
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for hate speech because I was pointing out hate speech and I was and I
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actually used that. That technique that Malcolm used with a ad was called Riverside
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at the time. It was a it was a service for survivors of sexual
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assault, which of course they say is synonymous with women, which it isn't,
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by the way. And they used a baby in the ad like they
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said, what are you telling him he's going to grow up to be a
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rapist? Is they? And it was a child, like a child the
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age of your child that you have in your arms right now. Yeah.
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And what I did is I took that ad and I replace the baby,
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added to that a video of a Asian child and a black child, and
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then I said what are you telling him? And then people realized what it
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was that that was set and then again it got taken down from YouTube.
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It was about three or four years of appeal saying this is not hate speech,
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this is calling out hate speech, before they reinstated it and said,
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yep, you're right, it's not hate speech. So it got flagged by
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someone who did not like the fact that I was calling out what they were
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actually doing and using, like using the technique that Malcolm talked about to do
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it. And that was years and years and years ago, and since then
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it's just gotten worse. And yes, comparing men to bears is not just
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comparing men to animals, because animals we can tend to have a compassion for
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animals, But it's comparing them to animals in a way that frames them as
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criminal. And that's what they find that that dehuman like actual propaganda rhetoric frames
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the target group as criminal and anti social. And that's what we've been doing
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two men, probably since the Declaration of Sentiments, if not before like the
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eighteen hundreds, if not before. So it's it's well time to start calling
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it out and recognizing it for what it genuinely is. Anyway, I just
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wanted to say that because that was sort of it sort of reminded me of
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all of that way back when, and the t and the trouble that I
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had keeping that video up on YouTube. Maybe I'll send it a link to
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it. You guys can take a look. It's it's pretty intense. I
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mean, I will admit that. But anyway, I will step off the
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podium and let you guys continue. Good welcome. No, I think Malcolm
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was going to say something I continue, Oh, okay, okay, you
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know I was going to say, simoned in to your to your credit.
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When I brought the mayor of the bear memum with my own wife, who's
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been involved with these issues almost as long as me, she didn't get it
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either. She was just like, well what if fits? She was like,
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it depends on the bear, It depends on the man. It depends.
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I was like, you know, and it's angry looking bear. Yeah,
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is it a grizzly bear? Is it a hungry polar bear? Because
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she's you know, she was again she was thinking of it in a logical
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way, like there's no way that that this is just about you know,
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men being more dangerous. Yeah, this is not just propaganda exactly, Alison.
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And and when I got her to say, I said, look,
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no, this is not about the bear. This could have been any animal.
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They could have used any animal in its place. It's about what they're
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trying to get women to say about men. Now, now there is another
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thing to this, another angle on this, as it were, because my
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wife, lindsay, she takes things literally, and so she's just like,
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well, literally, you know in this context, you know. But there
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is another thing too. I think that when it seems to me and you
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guys, let me know what you think about this, when you prompt people
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to answer a hypothetical and there is a general sort of like tone or opinion
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that they think is popular, then they'll just repeat it. So if if
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women know that it's cool to just like, you know, take a dump
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on men, and and there is a there is a yeah, they'll just
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say, they'll just do it because what they're what they're doing is they're not
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they're not saying it because they feel this way about men. They're saying it
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because they want to feel like they belong with the sisterhood or like this greater
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group or as you described it, Malcolm, the monoculture. This this urban
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monoculture is it is it also a club that people feel like they're a part
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of when they repeat the same you know sort of hymns. Well, it's
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not just like the same hymn, so ours acid for a while has done
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a pretty good job historically. If you look historically throughout human history, almost
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every single large culture or long lived culture had a degree of racism, had
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a degree of sexism, had a degree of religious discrimination. It was actually
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really weird that we lived in a society where we had managed to mostly stomp
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that stuff out and have people recognize it as evil when it began to bubble
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up. And the reason why that happens, or the reason why we were
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able to do that, is we were able to create a culture where it
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was just seen as negative, like just intrinsically negative whenever anyone is calling groups
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different or treating groups differently. And it was why did we have to be
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so hard on that? Why did we have to as a society treat racism
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as like one of the highest sims there is in order to finally stamp it
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out, Like why did we have to treat sexism is one of the highest
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sins there is. And then as soon as we created little groups where we
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successfully did that, and then some people were like, yeah, but racism
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doesn't count when white people are doing it, or maybe when Jews are doing
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it, or maybe when you know, and so they're they're able to create
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these special categories right where you don't get this protection no longer. Extend sexism
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doesn't matter when it's exerted to men. So now they're out from under this
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category. And then we see why we needed those categories, why we needed
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these protections universally, because of how quickly it spirals when you con virtue signal
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to your community through hatred of a non empowered group. Right though, it's
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not enough to not be racist, you have to be actively anti racist?
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Is the is the Robi DiAngelo line? Right? Well, not even that,
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because racism it actually shows up very differently if you look at the the
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end desired, right, But really, what anti racism has become in practice
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is just performative bigotry. Weirdly, yeah, you know, because what does
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Robin Dangel advocate for, like a racial affinity groups that this is not anti
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racism, this is entrenching racism. This is maybe it's literally like two different
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water fountains. Is her whole thing? But hold on, before we go
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further. Is this what I wanted to point out is how this this happens.
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So let's take a different group in a different society. So one of
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the things I point out in some of our episodes about the war right now
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is I have a lot of friends who are successful Middle Easterners who live in
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the Middle East. You know, they live in countries like the UAE or
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Qatar or Saudi Arabia. None of them have any genuine anti Semitism themselves,
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but they their societies have reached a state where they are genuinely afraid to publicly
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say that they aren't anti Semitic, that they don't hate the Jews. And
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when you look at what it's like to be like an educated, rational kind
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person in one of these countries, which can feel very twenty first century,
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and then realize that these people feel afraid to signal that they don't dehumanize this
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community. That is where many women in the urban monoculture have reached. They
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have reached the state where they realize that there will be social costs to them
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for not jumping at the opportunity to talk about how bad these people are whenever
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this one group comes up, And I think the bar meme does a very
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good job of that because it's so comical, like, of course you don't
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rationally like like or anybody who isn't like completely brainwashed wouldn't think this. So
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these people are either showing that they're completely brainwashed, or if they have a
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public opportunity to advance a brainwashing narrative, men are evil that they are going
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to take this opportunity. And people can be like, this doesn't have downstream
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effects. But you can look at the US where right now, if you
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look at IVF selection for female embryos in the US, it's seventy percent right
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now. If you look, there was a lawsuit recently where a couple accidentally
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was implanted by one of their male embryos, and they sued the clinic saying
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that you know, they the worst thing they could imagine was bringing a man
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into the world or to have then growing inside them. I believe, Can
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you believe it's so morble? No? No, But I can believe when
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this rhetoric is normalized, there is a portion of the population that is just
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totally on autopilot and going with what's socially normalized around them. And so when
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people respond this way to questions, a chunk of the population I'd say about
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thirty thirty five percent is just like, oh, I hate men. Now
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I understand how this works. They don't have a real logical structure by which
27:52
they're engaging. Was the world wocism has, especially because many of these people
27:56
are secularized, wocism has become a literal religious framework for them, and was
28:02
in this religious framework, men are not deserving of human dignity, and the
28:07
type of restrictions of oh, this is a discriminated class are not allowed to
28:11
apply to me. Yeah, WELLCM is definitely a religion. On the subject
28:18
of the bear meme did you get the did you did this? Come across
28:22
your desk? The recent news story about the nineteen year old girl who was
28:26
who was brutally killed by a bear. Essentially, the bear chased her and
28:33
then threw her over a forty four hundred foot cliff to tenderize her. Probably
28:41
and while this was happening, while she was being chased, she was actually
28:45
calling you know her her boyfriend was course unable to do anything, because what
28:49
can you do against a ton hereditor going after someone, but also she was
28:56
calling to try to get help, and it's like, that is exactly what
29:02
would happen. And I bet that that is one of the first bears she's
29:07
ever encountered in her life. Well, one doesn't encounter, we would hope,
29:11
but you might into a black bear if you like, yeah, immediately
29:17
tear your face off. But but yeah, so this is probably one of
29:19
the first bears she's ever encountered, and it kills her. And they the
29:25
per capita like think about how many men she's encountered in her life and the
29:27
fact that she's calling for men for help with the bear, and it's like,
29:32
this is this You're right, this is absolute absurdity. So it becomes
29:36
this kind of gang colors of are you willing to buy into the absurd in
29:41
order to demonstrate that you're part of the in group. And it's interesting that
29:45
you bring up this idea that women are doing it in order not to be
29:48
punished, And I would say that that is a lot of what we're seeing
29:52
from women is due to intersectional intrasecual aggression and titian, so that intersexual between
30:02
women, intersection intrasexual competition between women. Yeah, so it's it's like a
30:10
lot of this stuff isn't doesn't even really have that much to do with men.
30:12
It has to do with women forcing each other into conformity and also competing
30:18
with each other in terms of their life choices, you know, and also
30:22
the crab the bucket of crabs phenomenon, where they, you know, women
30:26
don't want other women to succeed, and I think that's understated, like how
30:30
much of this is actually driven by competition between women and conformity with women.
30:37
So I'll just throw that out there if you have any thoughts on that.
30:41
Yeah. One of the places that we're seeing this a lot in modern society
30:45
within the urban monoculture, and it is a tool that the urban monoculture uses
30:48
to recruit people. That is also part of intersexual competition is the concept,
30:53
I guess we'd call it the Lizo concept, which is that all women are
30:59
equally attractive and they will parrot this and yet everybody knows this isn't true.
31:07
And there's the great scene of like, I forgot, like somebody saying this
31:10
and then somebody like later coming up to them and being like you look like
31:12
lizo and getting slapped. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
31:17
which is like, of course, you know, because they don't really believe
31:19
this. And so there's there's two things going on here. The first is
31:23
why did this idea spread within the urban monoculture Because the urban monoculture's core value
31:30
system and core a tractor because it has almost no kids. Almost nobody in
31:33
the urban monoculture has kids. Before the nineties, Democrats and Republicans had the
31:36
same number of kids. Post nineties, Democrats basically don't have kids. And
31:40
the more progressive you are, the fewer kids you have. So you've got
31:42
to recruit people from demographically healthy cultural groups. Are import people from democracally healthy
31:47
cultural groups. And the uh one of the ways that you can recruit people
31:52
say join our group and you won't have to deal with any negative emotional situations.
31:56
You won't have to trigger warnings. What is that? Just no,
31:59
no, I ever have to engage with any topic that is emotionally uncomfortable.
32:01
But you also see this in things like the Hayes movement, which makes no
32:05
sense. You know, the healthy at every size movement. It's about removing
32:07
any chance of encountering information which is in the moment uncomfortable or like the fentanel
32:14
handout programs on streets now, or the ending testing in California, Like,
32:16
all of these things increase inequality, but decrease in the moment pain. But
32:21
that's also what we're seeing, was this removal of the belief that some people
32:25
are less attractive than other people. Because for women, a huge part of
32:29
their self image and self validation is their view of themselves as attractive. And
32:32
so there's two pathways to have this view of I am an attractive woman,
32:37
you know. One pathway is to say I'm going to put in the effort
32:40
to become more attractive, and then the other is to say, I am
32:45
going to try to convince myself I am more attractive than I am and then
32:47
use community validation to masturbate this new self image. And because that's an easier
32:53
pathway, the iterations of the culture, Like I don't think any of this
32:57
is like planned by a guy up hie, it's just the iteration of the
33:00
culture that validated everyone ended up being able to disproportionately recruit more people and therefore
33:05
became a larger and larger part of the cultural faction, especially given that this
33:08
never experienced any uncomfortable emotion is the core value prop of the urban monoculture,
33:14
even though pretends the core value prop is the equality, it's not equality.
33:17
Well, this creates a really interesting situation in terms of intersexual competition, because
33:23
women, obviously, in terms of competing for a sexual partner, do better
33:29
in environments where a portion of the female population, the dumber portion of the
33:35
female population, actually believes they are attractive when they are in fact very unattractive,
33:39
because then they do not work on themselves, and then they do not
33:43
actually compete with these women. And so it's a very interesting sort of like
33:49
Machiavelian play that's going on here, where like a portion of women in the
33:53
urban monoculture realize this isn't true, but they get no reward because truth isn't
34:00
in the urban monoculture. By telling other women but I mean, you know,
34:04
you really should work out and stop eating as much because that actually hurts
34:08
them. Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned that women they feel valuable when they
34:19
feel attractive. It's something to that extent, And I mean, obviously that's
34:22
true. I think men want to be seen as attractive as well, but
34:27
they don't think it's not their physical appearance that generally gives them that it's there.
34:34
It's what. It's not what women are generally drawn to, at least
34:37
not for like some long term thing. They want a man who has some
34:42
potential and will, you know, to rise in status and his ability to
34:46
provide and protect her right and lot enough to be desired. For men that
34:52
the metric is more like how many women can I sleep with? Or how
34:57
many women or how much sex am I actually having so or to the women
35:01
in my life? Yeah, that I think, Actually, Malcolm is closer
35:05
because I think the men who think that they're probably extremely high status men that
35:10
don't have to worry about, you know, necessarily like feeling valued for what
35:16
they can produce because they're already high. They have a lot of money,
35:22
they're good looking, they have their pick of the litter. But the normal
35:24
men that are just you know, trying to figure out, they're just trying
35:29
to get by, They're trying to find out what they're supposed to do.
35:31
They're looking to say, you know, they want a woman that will essentially
35:37
find them valuable or who they are, or at least see the potential in
35:42
them and get behind them. It's men, if you can a good woman
35:47
that's a good cheerleader for a man he can do almost anything. I mean,
35:52
that's like one of the things that is I think understated. But what
35:54
you're what you're talking about is also what's happening in the in our current culture
36:00
is essentially the death of merits, or at least an attempt to kill it
36:05
in every avenue, whether it's your attractiveness or your job, or your competency
36:09
or your intelligence, because if some people are better than other people, then
36:15
other people feel bad about it, and we can't have that. Well.
36:17
I mean, I love Mary Hearing had this really great, like low key
36:24
conspiracy theory where she noticed that children's books today are egregiously ugly, like the
36:30
illustrations themselves are ugly, and she sort of saw this as part of this
36:35
conspiracy theory. It's sort of just like against trying to even make things beautiful
36:38
anymore, Like you know, children are normalizing to ugliness and mediocrity and you're
36:44
okay like you are and don't try harder. And I think in self,
36:49
are itself has gotten ugly or not just the children's books, so it really
36:52
has. I want to get to the ugly topic, but this is going
36:55
to be a long tangent. And before this, I want to address a
36:58
point that the moon made. It was really a student and worth noting culturally
37:02
speaking, is there is a large cultural faction that is outside the urban monoculture.
37:07
But I think just as toxic as the urban monoculture, which is telling
37:13
men to value primarily their presentation as a sexually desirable male. And you know
37:22
that these are the groups who might see someone like you or me and be
37:23
like, bro, you know you should be taking more testosterone. You should
37:25
be And I'm like, I'm married, i have four kids. Like.
37:29
The reason why it's important that a man looks that way, right, Like,
37:34
the reason why we value that in a male in society is because that
37:37
is what women value when they are searching for a partner to settle down with,
37:42
or it's one of the things that they value. The problem is,
37:45
and we see this with women in our society as well, where when we're
37:50
saying, oh, what is valued in a woman, it is the things
37:52
that make her attractive to a potential mate. But we need to remember the
37:57
only reason why we value those things of things that make a woman attractive to
38:00
a potential mate is because that increases a young woman's probability of becoming a mother
38:07
in a happy relationship with a lot of kids. Once a woman is in
38:13
a relationship with a lot of kids and it is in a happy marriage,
38:15
or a guy is in a merit with a ton of kids. People are
38:19
like, work out. I'm like, what you want me to work out?
38:21
Because the time I'm spending working out is time I'm not spending with my
38:22
kids. Like you, you have completely twisted priorities. We have this really
38:29
long episode, you know, called something like plastic surgery. Is is tax?
38:37
What with it? Uh? You know where you stuff animals? Tax
38:43
tax it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. And and the point I'm making
38:45
it it is, is it sort of like if you consider your looks or
38:49
this useful expression of beauty and sexual desire that certain people have, as like
38:53
the fish. We are given the fish when we go through puberty, and
38:58
you are supposed to go to the market and sell the fish, right,
39:01
But then you realize in the market there has become this status hierarchy around how
39:07
fresh the fish looks and how large the fish is and all of these other
39:09
things. And so then you come home ten days later was a rotting fish
39:15
because you thought that the fish was the thing of value, not the thing
39:19
you were supposed to sell. And then you tax a dermy this fish because
39:22
now we live in a fish based society, when you didn't use the fish
39:28
for what it was used for. And this is something where I always think
39:30
that the hilarity when my wife comes to me and she's like, how you
39:34
know I'm feeling self conscious because you know, I'm getting varico veins on like
39:37
my fifth pregnancy, and it's like, that doesn't matter anymore. You won,
39:44
you are, you are in the post game. That is not the
39:46
metric you are measured on at this point. And yet the status hierarchies online,
39:53
even these male status hierarchies, which I say suffer from. What's really
39:59
interesting is on the far you have this gender dysphoria just as much as you
40:01
have gender dysporia on the far left. So I'll let you guys respond to
40:06
this, and then I'll get back to the beauty thing. This is the
40:07
whole other. Okay, Okay, well, stoode. I wanted we should
40:15
probably just get back on the beauty things. We only got about fifteen minutes
40:17
left in the okay live showing really quickly, Okay, So yeah, why
40:22
is it that beauty is seen negatively? Was in the urban monoculture. So
40:25
if you look historically at our society, the conservative group in the eighties and
40:30
seventies was based on a disgust based moral system. By that, what I
40:35
mean is the way that they motivated their voters to take specific stances was doesn't
40:39
this thing elicitly discussed reaction in you? They'd say, this is how they
40:43
got them to be, you know, anti gay, that they got them
40:45
to be like you know, the the Satanic panic, et cetera, et
40:49
cetera, et cetera. It was a disgusted based moral framework, and the
40:52
left in the early days rightly so I realized this was bad. I mean,
40:55
why do we feel discussed? We feel discussed because it's something that we
40:59
evolved to feel too, because our ancestors who had that reaction to certain stimulat
41:01
had more surviving offspring. So like we feel discussed when we look at somebody
41:06
who has like a disability, right and overcoming that. You know, this
41:09
was the age of Mother Teresa, where you know, hugging lepers. She
41:13
overcame that feeling and realized that she shouldn't allow the disgust that her brain is
41:17
outputting to be confused with a moral judgment of another person's life. So we
41:23
as a society overcame that. But during that period, the far left developed
41:28
a counter system to overcome this disgust based framework, which is to say,
41:32
things that elicit a discussed reaction are actually morally valuable. You should disproportionately attempt
41:39
to engage with things that elicit disgust in you. And this new framework,
41:45
society moved away from a we have a we moved away from a discussed based
41:49
framework. We moved to a cringe based framework. And now we're at a
41:51
vitalism based framework. But forget that. That's way too long a discussion.
41:54
All I'm going to say is a right is a discuss base framework. Yeah,
41:58
yeah, we're now well I'll just quickly like so they're like, what
42:00
say, vitalism based framework. That's like a a post cringe based framework.
42:05
It's that's what like Trump and the Tiger King is like, it's people who
42:08
are okay with themselves when themselves is something different from what the mainstream is.
42:13
So but anyway back to what the left did. So then the ultra urban
42:19
monoculture built this discuss based framework. Of morality, where things that are more
42:22
disgusting are more moral. But then they also tied this to weakness, so
42:25
when people are attacking our family and stuff like that, the weaker a thing
42:29
was historically the more valuable, the more moral it was, and the stronger
42:32
thing was historically the less valuable it was. So they're like, oh,
42:37
like some people on line have criticized this. They maybe like they must have
42:39
white nationalist sentiments because they name some of their kids Roman sounding names like Octavian,
42:45
And I'm like, excuse me, can you see my skin color?
42:47
My ancestors, we were subjugated by the Romans. What does Roman have to
42:53
do with white nationalism? I am literally saying to another culture it called sure,
43:00
is that subjugated my culture? That? I thought that the way that
43:02
their culture did things because it produced more art and it produced more technology,
43:07
that I can learn from that and that's a positive thing. And then you
43:10
see in the left who look at these same periods of history, who do
43:14
they idolize? You know, you can look at like Bambi thug from her,
43:17
you know, Big Eurovision, all of her screeds against the Jews,
43:22
all of her that stuff. But you know, she's super urban monoculture,
43:24
right, it was paganism, witches, you know, during the similar periods
43:30
in history. She's looking for the discriminated groups then morally elevating them. But
43:35
what this causes is the elevation of cultural practices which lead to non efficaciousness.
43:42
I actually think that this is a lot of what's going on right now with
43:45
the Israeli Gaza conflict. Is the far urban monoculture is unable to see a
43:52
group that is weaker as being less moral in the way they are acting to
43:58
other people. And this is where you get these weird things like queers for
44:01
Palestine and it's like, well, you know what they do to queers in
44:05
Palestine, you know what they do to queers in Israel, Like like,
44:07
how do you square this? And there isn't a logical squaring of this.
44:13
What it is is they are less powerful, therefore they are more moral,
44:19
which can lead to like really bizarre moral action. Yeah, there is also
44:23
I think, despite what you're feeling, I'm not giving an opinion on the
44:29
Israel Palestine thing, but I'm trying to understand where like these Columbia activist types
44:34
are coming from. And I think that what they're What exists to them is
44:38
this paradigm where Israel is the ally to the United States. The United States
44:44
is our enemy, so Israel is our enemy. So this is like the
44:46
It doesn't have anything to do with history, doesn't have anything to do with
44:50
logic. It's just you know, they are the powerful entity because they are
44:54
connected to the West, and that makes them the enemy. And and that
45:00
means that the Palestinians are or or Hamas even are the are the victims because
45:05
they're the underdogs. So they side with the underdog in every case. It's
45:08
not always uh coming. It doesn't often come, if hardly ever, from
45:13
a place of uh where they're informed on these things. And a lot of
45:16
times they're just doing what their professors told them to anyways. So you know,
45:20
it's it's like whatever whatever side they took. But I'm oh, go
45:24
ahead, go ahead. No, I'm just gonna say that I think that
45:25
this is really interesting because when there isn't a clear Western ally in a global
45:32
conflict, now it is ignored by the urban monoculture in a way that it
45:37
wouldn't have been historically. I mean, right now people might not know this,
45:39
but there's a genocide happening in Darfur again. It's it's been reigniting.
45:44
It may even be worse than last time, but they're just not talking about
45:46
it. You know, you have the situation in Haiti, which you know
45:50
you're talking about discounts, is going to in the end be at least as
45:53
big as what's happening in Israel and Gaza right now, and you know,
45:58
long term, at least I have tried its entire thing. Are we looking
46:00
at realistic solutions to either of these No, because both of the aggressors are
46:06
part of these from their positions protected groups, and so they just ignore them,
46:12
which leads to much more pain globally speaking than we would have historically had
46:17
or then that the left would have historically had. And we know, I
46:20
mean the Darfur region. I think is really interesting because we know that historically
46:23
the last time this flared up, the ultra lefties really cared about this.
46:29
And I think that this is how we know that it's a new culture because
46:31
a lot of people see continuity in this culture and they think that the progressive
46:36
culture today is the progressive culture of the nineties, and it's just not.
46:39
It's a completely new cultural unit. Yeah, because it's well, I don't
46:45
want to get into yes, I agree with you. I just say that
46:46
because I want to ask some of this stuff. So a couple of things.
46:51
So we've been talking about the dehumanization of men or this is like been
46:57
going on since before we were born, so we're kind of just coming into
47:00
this. But it has it appears to have ramped up, but I don't
47:05
think so. I think it's just been a slow climb. And this is
47:07
almost like a natural consequence of our like we have to kind of see men
47:15
as disposable to some degree in order for us to have a functioning society,
47:20
So it makes it easier for us to dehumanize them than say women. It's
47:24
not and I'm when i'm speaking in generalities, but I think you guys get
47:29
what I'm saying. But like now that it's gotten to the point where it's
47:30
men have been truly villainized, and yes, this includes men of color,
47:35
by the way, because when it gets to a point like I remember you
47:37
guys, remember the the viral videos of the women in New York saying I
47:42
got punched by a guy you know, in the face, And there's all
47:45
these and none of them give a description because they want to blame men,
47:49
but they don't want to get too specific because it'll make them look bad,
47:52
so they dance around it calling. Right. I love it when women complain
47:55
about cock calling, they're like men pack calling. I'm like, which,
48:00
yeah, show us the men, or or what's going on in Europe with
48:04
the migration, you know, the mass migration, right, and women are
48:07
talking about how men on the street are treating them and but they're not being
48:10
specific. So instead, you know, the UK passes laws against cat calling
48:15
and whistling and things like this, but they're but so they're obviously responding to
48:19
something, but they're also trying. It's like they're trying to have their cake
48:22
and even too. So what I'm what I'm wondering about, though, is
48:24
that, in a way, I think all of this villainization as I think
48:31
that it should be obvious, but I would like to put it out there.
48:35
Do you think that the attempted assassination that happened just a couple of days
48:38
ago, is that all related to this villainization or dehumanization of men, the
48:44
normalization, because I find it, I find it a little bit creepy that
48:49
we're all kind of carrying on relatively normal in light of those events. Like
48:55
I think people were probably like panicked after JFK's assassinating for a very long time,
49:00
we never forgot it, But this one it seems so I don't know,
49:06
it's almost like Uribsmanov said, you know, it's the situation has been
49:09
normalized. Well, I mean, I think you know you're saying the urban
49:15
monoculture, which has this view of men as a lower cast, was in
49:17
it. You know, did it motivate the assassination attempt? Almost obviously,
49:22
Like I think pretty obviously it did. This guy who did this, you
49:27
know, he was twelve when Trump first came into office. He lived his
49:30
entire life was this dehumanizing rhetoric, which is something that we just don't see
49:37
on the mainstream right as much as you see it on the mainstream left right
49:39
now. And yeah, I mean it's something that we shouldn't be doing as
49:44
a society. It's something that we should see these groups as reprehensible as they
49:46
are, and we one day will. I mean, their fertility rates are
49:50
basically nil. It can't motivate people to want to survive. The unliving rates
49:55
in this community are crazy hot. We went over a CDC statistics on our
49:59
sh from a couple of years ago, showing that one in four women young
50:02
women in school in America creates a plan to unlives themselves in any given year,
50:08
not and not for the course of their adolescence in any given year.
50:13
And it's women who are the ones who are most touched by this cultural group.
50:15
This cultural group is unable to give people a philosophical reason to keep ongoing.
50:22
So it's not just that they dehumanize other people. They make other people's
50:27
lives meaningless. They make their own members' lives meaningless. Basing your entire life
50:31
around avoiding any form of unpleasant emotion is obviously not mentally healthy. And you
50:38
know how long it takes society to get to a point when we realize that
50:42
we need to begin to quarantine the parts of our society that are infected.
50:45
I don't know, but I think we're seeing it more and more with the
50:47
rapid rise of homeschooling and stuff like that. Yeah, it's just wild that
50:51
the only thing worse than being demonized by the urban monoculture is literally being a
50:55
member of it. Allison, do you want to say anything to that?
51:00
Oh? I had a thought. He just sort of floated away. It's
51:05
okay. I know we've been covering a lot. Yeah, we've been covering.
51:07
We're going all over the place. I think I think Malcolm could give
51:12
me my tangents are run for the money. Yeah, Allison does have a
51:15
tendency. Well, they all the ladies here tend to do that. I
51:21
will say, we got five minutes, and we're gonna go into the patron
51:23
show. But I want to let me chase my thought down and maybe I'll
51:28
remember it. Okay, continue, all right, but you guys are why
51:32
did you get involved with this kind of pro natalist mission? Is it a
51:38
mission? Am I? Framing realization is about to literally collapse. Like,
51:43
people do not know how bad the problem is. If it keeps going at
51:45
his current rate in the US, and we have one generation every thirty years
51:49
for every hundred Americans, there's going to be four point three great grandchildren,
51:52
like and people are like, oh, we can just import people to fix
51:54
this. Latin America fell below repopulation rate all the way back in twenty nineteen,
51:59
and this is the UN's own statistics. Right now, they are in
52:02
rapid free fall, much faster than the US in terms of the decline of
52:06
their fertility rates. So you know, take a country like Costa Rica,
52:08
where one local demographer said that for native born Costa Rican women, we're now
52:12
at a point where the fertility rate might be below one that's halfing every generation,
52:16
well below the US. You take a country like Argentina and the stat
52:21
is that right now, if you contrast twenty twenty four was just four years
52:25
ago, there's going to be thirty percent fewer four year olds entering kindergarten.
52:31
You can look at a country like Uruguay where the fertility rate fell from two
52:37
point one to one point three and just seven years now. Keep in mind
52:42
fertility rates are exponential, so people don't like to get how big this is
52:46
and the economic consequences of this. Our entire society is structured like a pyramid
52:52
scheme. It's not just social security, it's the economy, the global economy,
52:55
not the Western economy. It's this is true for China. This is
53:00
going to be the major social issue of the next century. And it will
53:05
be compounded by the fact that the demographically healthier cultural groups are in the minority.
53:10
They are often conservative and religious communities, and that the dominant group in
53:15
our society has become almost completely childless and can only survive by parasitizing children from
53:21
those groups, which means it's becoming more and more aggressive in the practices that
53:25
successfully do that. And so you know, we're not just going to deal
53:30
with the economic fallout, we're also going to deal with the social fallout.
53:34
And I don't think anyone right now, but except for a few, like
53:37
I think real deep thinkers like Elon and stuff like that. Peter Zihan is
53:43
really seeing how bad this is going to be. But we want to be
53:46
clear, pernatalism isn't about spamming the world with babies to make this not happen.
53:52
This is going to happen. Demographical aps will take place. The question
53:57
is how bad will the damage be, how quickly we'll go Governments figure out
54:00
how to build their economies, their city infrastructure, their social services, on
54:07
civilizations that are no longer growing in terms of people, because right now they're
54:12
all basically built on pyramid scheme models and we need to quickly switch away from
54:16
that because the pyramid scheme is going to end. And that's a really important
54:20
thing because we're trying to raise awareness about this because it's happening. It's going
54:23
to happen, and we just like to see minimal damage. We are encouraging
54:29
people who are enthusiastic about having kids to have kids or have more kids.
54:32
But this isn't about shaming people into having kids or anything else like that.
54:36
Because when it comes to avoiding cultural mass extinction, which is one other downside
54:39
that's really major from a hard landing on demographical apps, Basically, we're seeing
54:45
some cultures have such low birth rates that they're just going to disappear. Amortis,
54:50
Jains, South Korean's, Native Americans, they're going going gone. But
54:53
if just a small number of families from each of those cultures is empowered to
54:59
have the number of kids, say and they're really into having kids, that's
55:00
enough to say those cultures. So this also is in Handmaid's Tales type stuff.
55:06
In fact, another reason why we're in this is that some nations aren't
55:09
going to get the memo and they're going to think, okay, well,
55:13
instead of redesigning my entire economy or our social services, we'll just spam humans.
55:17
And when they discover that carrot based methods for spamming humans doesn't work,
55:22
people won't have kids based on incentives that are at least feasible. They're going
55:27
to start forcing people to having kids. And you're already seeing this in China
55:30
where they're curtailing access to abortions, even birth control. The seconty clinics are
55:35
closing down. You know, it's we're going to see much more dire measures.
55:40
I'm going to stand this in the future. Yeah, yeah, I
55:43
understand that Kim Jong un, he like gave like a tearful speech to North
55:46
Koreans to have more kids, even though they're having more kids than South Koreans.
55:51
So I wonder if he's not going to start forcing them. I mean,
55:54
I don't know who am I to judge in North Korea, but yeah,
55:59
so this is this is something that we have talked about as well,
56:01
and I think it comes from like the question becomes like how not that we
56:08
need to, like you said, force people to have kids. But I
56:12
don't necessarily think immigration is a solution either, because you're taking people away from
56:16
other countries that probably need people. Plus, you know, even if you
56:21
do it legally and you just like get the best people, then you're still
56:24
depriving these other nations of you know, good people, but it's about like,
56:30
what what is it that we have missed? And I think you you
56:32
did mention the religion thing, which I agree with, but I think that
56:38
the US is still largely secular, even though a lot of people are moving
56:43
or at least in the in the urban centers. I'm not really sure what
56:45
the data is on people's religion. But what I'm wondering about is that is
56:52
is it possible that a lot of this anti family, anti male, anti
56:59
marriage and high commitment, you know, sort of propaganda, this this this
57:04
cloud, could that not be part of this problem we are because we are
57:08
seeing we are seeing women who are more more so engaging in kind of harem
57:15
relationships where they're where they're sharing, like you know, very few men have
57:19
access to lots and lots of women totally, you know, I mean,
57:22
it's obviously a huge part of this. You are absolutely right. And uh,
57:29
you know one thing you mentioned is that immigration. Uh there was an
57:31
article in the Economists recently talking about the economic woes that many of these South
57:36
American countries are dealing with right now due to demographic collapse that are compounded by
57:40
you know, they spend money when you're a state. When people are young,
57:45
they cost the state money. When people are middle aged, they put
57:47
money into the state. We are allowing these states to educate these people,
57:51
spend money on them when they're young, healthcare, et cetera. And then
57:53
we are taking the rewards for this. So we are actually compounding the problems
57:58
that they are having because we aren't putting in the labor to have our own
58:01
children. And there's been some really heartbreaking articles, you know, because we
58:07
do a lot of business in Latin America and we actually used to live halftime
58:08
in Latin America, you know, we read the local articles and everything like
58:13
that. And there's a huge crisis in Latin America right now of elderly people
58:15
who are just so lonely because even you know, one you have the demographic
58:20
problem, but then two, a lot of their families have left, and
58:22
now they're just dying alone. Like the human tragedy unchecked immigration has caused in
58:30
Latin America is just completely going under the table right now. But I think
58:35
it's something that we will be forced to deal with the consequences of our actions,
58:38
will be forced to deal with, and we also need to think of
58:40
what happens to a country when you remove intergenerationally of their most productive talent stream.
58:47
So you can look at a country like Haiti, where it was eighty
58:52
nine percent of college grads for like three or four generations, we're immigrating out
58:54
of the country. What does that do to a country where you take almost
59:00
everyone from that country who gets a college degree intergenerationally, like four generations.
59:06
How is their bureaucracy going to function? How are they supposed to make money?
59:09
You know, you you have destroyed that country. We created that situation
59:15
through our unchecked immigration policy. Mm hmmm hm, yep uh yeah, And
59:22
that's why I don't think immigration is going to be the is a solution to
59:25
the population problem. Well, I mean, okay, so how much time
59:31
do you guys have, Alison, what did you want to say? Well,
59:35
I was going to say I did get into an argument with somebody on
59:37
the left. Like I I try to stay a political I know that can
59:42
be offensive, but jud just focus on men's issues. But I got into
59:45
this argument with somebody on the left and they were talking about, well,
59:49
we'll solve our problems with immigration, and like, well, the problem is
59:52
you bring these individuals into our country they adopt the culture and then they stop
59:59
having children. And so we need to solve this. And I've said multiple,
1:00:05
like lots of times that I think it starts with challenging this anti email
1:00:09
rhetoric like the bear of how many marriages did the bear or relationships did the
1:00:15
bear versus men meme implode and destroy or prevent? You know, and think
1:00:22
about it that way. It's like that we have this constant pressure breaking men
1:00:25
and women apart. And the first step to getting kids is to get women
1:00:30
in relationships with men. And then in many cases, if the you know,
1:00:35
as as it progresses, the kids will come. But that's the first
1:00:37
step. And our culture is dead set on underselling men as partners, as
1:00:43
saying they are terrible fathers, they're terrible roommates. Basically, they don't pull
1:00:49
their own weight, they don't do enough that you have to do all kinds
1:00:52
of emotional labor. You get nothing from them. They're abusive, they're they're
1:00:58
crapy. You know, they don't they don't do the housework. Like this
1:01:02
constant drum beat of saying to women that men are a terrible choice. You're
1:01:07
a fool to choose one. Your friends will laugh at you. And so
1:01:13
what happens. Women don't choose men, or they choose the laziest possible relationships
1:01:19
they can get into, which is these harem models. You know, the
1:01:22
men are highly attractive, they don't have to do any work, you know,
1:01:24
they just call them up on Fridays. I got some time, and
1:01:28
that's it. There's no effort to maintain a relationship or a household or to
1:01:32
build something together. There's nothing. And that's a result, in my opinion,
1:01:37
of all of this anti mail rhetoric. And I think that, but
1:01:40
it's just like just structurally a problem with why the urban monoculture works in the
1:01:45
way it structures relationships. So you can think of something like polyamory right where
1:01:50
I love one of the things I'll hear from you. Sorry, Brian,
1:01:52
I introduced a new topic. That's okay. I mean, if it goes
1:01:55
over, it goes over, it's over. No, it's okay. Polyamory.
1:02:00
Like you know, I'm in a polyamorous relationship right now, but you
1:02:04
know, I'm a secondary and what I really like to find is a guy
1:02:07
like the guy I'm sleeping with, but who you know, is open to
1:02:10
monogamy or having me as his primary and I'm like, excuse me, do
1:02:15
you not like And this is what a lot of women don't understand. Your
1:02:19
value on a sexual marketplace is dramatically higher than your value on a marriage marketplace.
1:02:25
You can't that guy is sleeping with you, not because you can get
1:02:30
guys like that to be in a real relationship with you, but because he
1:02:32
needs to give up nothing to do that, because he's sleeping with five other
1:02:36
people. That's why he's sleeping with you. You need to be dating a
1:02:39
man like ten rungs below that, and it creates these twisted expectations and women,
1:02:47
unfortunately, because of the urban monic culture, they don't really view They
1:02:50
think, oh, I need to start looking seriously for someone to marry in
1:02:52
like my late twenties, And that's just insane. You need to be looking
1:02:57
for somebody seriously to marry if you want to have kids in your early time
1:03:00
twenties, late teens, and all cultures used to understand this, but the
1:03:05
urban wona culture, it's no. You know, late twenties is when you
1:03:07
start looking for marriage and that's just bananas. The math doesn't work. Yeah,
1:03:13
it might have to me. I think it might have something to do
1:03:15
with what we think is important in our life. And I think that when
1:03:21
you're young, and I think this is like a product of modernity. Modernity,
1:03:25
I'm sorry, is that we're supposed to like basically, especially as as
1:03:30
young people, young men and women, is to enjoy life as much as
1:03:35
possible and then like pursue career all that and then like later on you're like,
1:03:39
Okay, I think I'm going to settle now now and I might look
1:03:42
for a relationship, I might start to have kids. But I think that
1:03:45
this is a fundamental mistake that we make. And I've been saying this more
1:03:49
and more and more recently, and it's gonna sound bad, but I don't
1:03:52
know how else to put it. Maybe there's a better way. You're not
1:03:55
here to be happy, You're here to be useful, and I think that
1:03:59
and if you're useful, you will then be happy. You know. What
1:04:01
I mean is an emergent property of pursuing something else. Yes, And that's
1:04:06
what where people are missing. Like everybody is talking about meaning, and I
1:04:11
think that you can't have meaning and then have everything you want like whenever you
1:04:15
want it, like you you have to pursue, Like what is it that
1:04:18
I should be doing. I'll do that, yes, and then it's it's
1:04:24
someone has it's saying. Which is the only true happiness you will ever experience
1:04:28
is efficaciously pursuing and sacrificing for a well thought three value system. Mm hmm.
1:04:33
So you guys get where I'm coming from. Good? Okay, yeah,
1:04:38
yeah, okay, good. I thought I was to do an after
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show or yeah, yeah, we'll do it after show. I don't know
1:04:45
however long you guys can stays fine, we're gonna end it here on the
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line. We're good for an hour because it just means we're skipping our recording
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time and we'll just use something we can record. Welcome from f to four
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thirty. Okay, all right, okay, great, well okay, then
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We don't like that, but it is where everybody is. So it's
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like, how do you square that circle? Anyway? Okay, so we
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Ashtron, and then gives another five dollars and says, what if the
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end of meritocracy is just another form of or manifestation of convincing dumb women.
1:06:34
He puts that in quotes, that they are attractive, so they don't compete.
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In practice, meritocracy is still valued and a criteria for attractiveness. Well,
1:06:46
you know, I do think that sometimes women who will tell their less
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attractive friends that they're at ten, you know that whole thing where they go
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on the table and say, well would you rate each other on the scale
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of one to ten, and they all say they're all tens. I think
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a lot of that is just like, you know, don't hate me,
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but also I'm sabotaging you by like making you, you know, a little
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bit delusional. So all right, that's all the super Chows. Uh,
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you all in the next one. Men's rite actus are machines, dude,
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Okay, they are literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are
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too, Holy shit, you're fucked. Yeah,