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TEXAS MOM NIKKI WINDER, CAR FOUND BURNING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young Texas mom,
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  Speaker 1: Nicki Winder missing this after her truck is found on
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  Speaker 1: fire tonight. Where is Nicki Winder? I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 2: The Cole Winder, a mother from Brazos, Texas, is reported
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  Speaker 2: missing after leaving her caregiving job abruptly tonight.
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  Speaker 1: The search is on for a gorgeous young Texas mom,
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  Speaker 1: her truck found on fire. Straight out to Dave Matt
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, what can you tell me? Did
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  Speaker 1: nobody know she was missing until her truck was spotted
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  Speaker 1: on fire?
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly it, Nancy. That was when they determined that
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  Speaker 2: we don't know where Nicki is because the call came
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  Speaker 2: in to fire and Deputies about a truck possibly on
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  Speaker 2: fire when they arrived. When investigators arrived on the scene,
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  Speaker 2: truck fully engulfed in flames, and of course they start
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  Speaker 2: looking for the driver. Well, there's no driver nowhere around,
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  Speaker 2: so they find out the car is registered. It's a
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five white Chevy pickup truck and that's the
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  Speaker 2: truck there. They find out it is registered to call Winder,
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  Speaker 2: and they immediately start tracking back and find out nobody
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  Speaker 2: knows where she is. The last time she was seen
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  Speaker 2: was an hour earlier, leaving her place of work. So
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  Speaker 2: we have a one hour window from her leaving work
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  Speaker 2: and her truck on fire.
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac tell me the fundamentals, the who, what, where, wife,
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  Speaker 1: win as much as you know them. We know she's
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  Speaker 1: got two sons we know. Tell me about the location.
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  Speaker 1: Where is she missing?
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  Speaker 2: We know the Nikki left her work at three o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Her truck is found two miles away one hour later
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  Speaker 2: on fire. Now, those are the basics of what we know.
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  Speaker 2: Because the information Nancy is very, very limited. We only
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  Speaker 2: have a couple of pictures, one of the truck that
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  Speaker 2: you can see. She was very proud of this brand
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  Speaker 2: new twenty twenty five Chebby pickup truck. So for the
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  Speaker 2: enforcement be able to find this vehicle on fire is shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Nicki Winder, a young mom is missing out of Brian, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: the county seat of Brazos County that is in the
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  Speaker 1: heart of the Texas Brazos Valley. Now list census small
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  Speaker 1: town eighty three thousand people. Now it's right there on
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  Speaker 1: the border of College Station. That's another city in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac what more can you tell me?
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  Speaker 2: Talking about a road called FM nine seven four sands
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  Speaker 2: for Farm Road, it's just north of Highway twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: This is in as you mentioned, Brian, Texas, which is
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  Speaker 2: in Brazos County, a very rural area where there's not
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  Speaker 2: a lot going on in the area where she went missing.
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  Speaker 2: In that two miles from the place of work to
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  Speaker 2: where her truck was found, it's just wild rural area,
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of building.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we're learning tonight, I want to go straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading a
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  Speaker 1: team of investigators and finding missing people around the world,
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  Speaker 1: former Marine Iraqi warvel. It's a lot different fits when
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  Speaker 1: you are looking in a very remote area. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Guthrie, we are looking out in the desert,
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  Speaker 1: huge swaths of land. Haven't made it to Mexico yet
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  Speaker 1: still looking there. In Arizona, as opposed to in Manhattan,
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  Speaker 1: there are traffic lights with traffic cams everywhere. It's very
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  Speaker 1: concentrated with a lot of video surveillance a lot of witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole nother ballgame. When you're in a rural
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  Speaker 1: area like Brian, Texas, how do you even start? Brian?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, And it's important to understand and that where
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  Speaker 3: Nicki was last seen and where her vehicle was loads
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  Speaker 3: a couple of miles north of any real population. So
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  Speaker 3: you are you're spot on. This is a very very
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  Speaker 3: remote rural area of farmland, country roads.
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  Speaker 1: And what does this tell me?
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  Speaker 3: Within a couple of miles of where Nicki was last
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  Speaker 3: seen and within sixty minutes her vehicle was found burning, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So that tells us that this crime took place in
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  Speaker 3: hase this person either found her in a target she
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  Speaker 3: was a target of opportunity, or the person knew Nicki's
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  Speaker 3: travel path where she would be that when you said.
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  Speaker 1: Traffic pattern, Brian, it reminds me very much of another
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  Speaker 1: young mother, Kiara Hudson. She had taken out restraining order
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  Speaker 1: after restraining order after restraining order against her husband and
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  Speaker 1: ex husband, and she even presented video to judge off
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  Speaker 1: her husband beating her and dragging her around by her hair.
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  Speaker 1: As you can see, Brian, the attacks were brutal, notwithstanding
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  Speaker 1: a judge, in his wisdom let her ex out. He
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  Speaker 1: knew her traffic pattern, just like you're saying, Brian is Gibbons.
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  Speaker 1: She took her children to school in the morning and
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  Speaker 1: her SUV. She was so afraid, Brian, she had taken
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  Speaker 1: to wearing a bulletproof vest. When her car came to
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  Speaker 1: a stop with the children in the car, Brian he
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  Speaker 1: comes up with a gun and shoots her in the
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  Speaker 1: head to circumvent her body arm. He knew her traffic pattern.
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  Speaker 1: He knew exactly where she was going and where she
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  Speaker 1: would be and at what time, down to the minute
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  Speaker 1: dropping off their children. Is that what you mean by
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  Speaker 1: knowing her traffic pattern?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, we have to understand that in this
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  Speaker 3: extra dremely rural area, there's only going to be so
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  Speaker 3: many people who live there or frequent that area who
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  Speaker 3: would also have the chance to encounter Nicki in her travels.
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  Speaker 3: So that limits the size and scope of the investigation
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  Speaker 3: right away. And that's certainly one front that investigators will
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  Speaker 3: be looking at. Who was there, who knew she was there,
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  Speaker 3: who's there every day. The second group is certainly a
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  Speaker 3: bigger group that could potentially have known about Nicky's pattern
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  Speaker 3: of life where she goes to work when she's going
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  Speaker 3: to be there, and that this opportunity was geographic in nature,
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  Speaker 3: given that you know, there's not many prying eyes, not
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  Speaker 3: many people walking around by standards.
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  Speaker 1: We're saying shots that we're showing now relating back to
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  Speaker 1: Kira Hud started by estranged husband Adam Benefield in front
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  Speaker 1: of her three children. He had been released less than
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours before on an assault that occurred inside
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  Speaker 1: their home. This is the assault. I'm showing you the video.
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  Speaker 1: He walked free on that and even with a bullet
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  Speaker 1: proof vest, she could not escape. Straight out to Karen
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  Speaker 1: Stark joining us, renowned forensic psychologist, TV radio trauma expert
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  Speaker 1: and consultant. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: And that's Karen with to see Karen, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: joining us tonight. I My mind leaps immediately to domestic
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  Speaker 1: violence because we're not hearing anything about a rape, a
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  Speaker 1: sex assault, a theft. It's not even a carjacking because
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  Speaker 1: her truck wasn't taken. It was set on fire seemingly
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  Speaker 1: as if someone wanted to get rid of some sort
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  Speaker 1: of evidence. But that said, it just screams domestic violence.
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  Speaker 5: That's a very strong post. It does seem like even
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  Speaker 5: though it took an hour, they were able to set
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  Speaker 5: fire to that truck. And this is because this is
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  Speaker 5: there's a good chance they knew that nobody would be there,
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  Speaker 5: that no one would be able to identify what was happening.
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  Speaker 5: And as your previous guest said, someone seemed to be
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  Speaker 5: aware because there she was and she was attacked that quickly,
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  Speaker 5: So perhaps there was was looking to get revenge.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us now, Dave Moyer, you know him well. K
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  Speaker 1: nine tracker master trainer, K nine tracker program manager for
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  Speaker 1: military contracts, former Navy bomb disposal master technician. It goes
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  Speaker 1: on and on and on with San Bernardina Sheriff's department, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: this could go so many different ways, and I'm very
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  Speaker 1: curious why no one seems to be covering her case
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  Speaker 1: or demanding her return. That really intrigues me. So when
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  Speaker 1: you looked at this case, first, of Lush, what was
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  Speaker 1: your thought.
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  Speaker 4: My initial impression on this was that there was some
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  Speaker 4: planning and some logistical planning that went into her disappearance here.
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  Speaker 4: Whether or not this is a plan on her part
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  Speaker 4: to disappear and start a new life, or whether or
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  Speaker 4: not this is somebody that she do well.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say, whether she disappeared to start a
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  Speaker 1: new life.
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  Speaker 3: Is that?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you just said?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am. It's always a possibility that when you see
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  Speaker 4: something with so little evidence to go on, that it
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  Speaker 4: may be somebody trying to disappear from society in general.
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  Speaker 4: I mean again, it is a possibility. It doesn't sound
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  Speaker 4: very likely in this case.
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  Speaker 1: Put in my place, Dave Moyer, Davey, she wanted to disappear,
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  Speaker 1: so she leaves her children and sets her truck on fire.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Gray. You know, another time I
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  Speaker 1: heard she's off to start a new life. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if the name Drew Peterson rings a bell to you.
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  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson, a former cop, had one dead wife that
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  Speaker 1: drowned in a bone dry bathtub. Then his fourth wife,
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  Speaker 1: Stacy Peterson, goes missing, and that's exactly what he told police.
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  Speaker 1: He told police she probably left with her new boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: What new boyfriend? She left all of her clothes, her vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: everything behind. So how did that work? I just want
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  Speaker 1: to explore with you, Dave Moyer, the possibility that this
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  Speaker 1: mom left to start a new lot.
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  Speaker 4: What the only thing that really makes that even the
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  Speaker 4: remotest of possibilities is the utter lack of evidence at
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  Speaker 4: this point for any foul play that may have occurred. Again,
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  Speaker 4: we don't have access to all of the investigative investigation
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  Speaker 4: that the local police have conducted, but it is something
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  Speaker 4: to consider and rule out as the investigation is.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well with that, I agree with you. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you that it's something to consider and rule out.
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  Speaker 1: But Fitzgibbons, while Moyer is right, you have to rule
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  Speaker 1: out all possibilities otherwise you're going to have it thrown
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  Speaker 1: in your face a trial. I don't see anything that
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  Speaker 1: smacks of a voluntary abandoning of your home, all your
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  Speaker 1: possessions and setting your truck on fire.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that would be a pretty straightforward way hypothesis to
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  Speaker 3: rule out.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We would check financial information things in her romantic life
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  Speaker 3: if there were issues there, and investigators have been undoubtedly
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  Speaker 3: done that, right. What we do know is that within
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  Speaker 3: sixty minutes of Nikki being last seen at her place
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  Speaker 3: of employment, her vehicle was found on fire. Right, So
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  Speaker 3: that speaks to us that whatever went down went down
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  Speaker 3: in that location for a reason, and quick, what.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean by that, Brian? What I'm speaking to
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  Speaker 1: is the.
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  Speaker 3: Motive behind this right that the perpetrator, if Nicky was
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  Speaker 3: indeed taken, knew her location, chose that location and executed it.
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  Speaker 1: Very guys, we are bringing you all the latest in
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  Speaker 1: the search for a wonderful young mom out of Brian,
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  Speaker 1: Texas who seemingly has vanished without a trace. Karen Stark
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  Speaker 1: joining us renown TV radio trauma expert. I don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see anything suggesting that this was volunt.
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  Speaker 5: That doesn't make sense to me either, because I can't
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  Speaker 5: imagine that she would take this brand new car put
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  Speaker 5: it on fire, and she has children, so that seems implied.
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  Speaker 5: What is most interesting is that somebody was able to
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  Speaker 5: think this out enough to burn the car, and that
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  Speaker 5: isn't someone who haphazardly just comes across certctly does whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Captures the search for missing mom Nicole Winder is entering
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  Speaker 1: the third week her truck found on fire at an
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  Speaker 1: oil pad. An oil pad off FM farm Road nine
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  Speaker 1: to seventy four north of Highway twenty one. There are
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  Speaker 1: crews out searching day to day. The Sheriff's office begging
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  Speaker 1: for information. When sheriff's deputies and investigators identified the truck,
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  Speaker 1: they realized only then that Winder had not been seen
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  Speaker 1: or heard from for some time. What does that mean,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac? Some time? She hadn't been seen or heard
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  Speaker 1: from for some time.
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  Speaker 2: And the truck was found two miles away from where
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  Speaker 2: she was last seen, two miles sixty minutes, a very
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  Speaker 2: very small window to take a look at.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean, Dave Mac? That her truck was
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  Speaker 1: found on fire near an oil pad.
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  Speaker 2: Actually sitting on an oil pad, which is an area
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  Speaker 2: designed to capture oil petroleum type products to prevent them
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  Speaker 2: from getting into the groundwater. It's just an area where
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  Speaker 2: her vehicle was parked and it is specific for this,
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  Speaker 2: for an oil pad, and trying to understand what the
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  Speaker 2: oil pad is doing in that particular area and why
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  Speaker 2: her car would be parked there. Was it taken there
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  Speaker 2: to be burned or was she parked there? Don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the perp thought that the oil pad
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  Speaker 1: would somehow increase they make the fire burn faster, make
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  Speaker 1: it burn more, get rid of the car more quickly
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  Speaker 1: because of the oil being contributed to the fire. It
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  Speaker 1: was also definitely ruled an arson today Moyer joining US
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  Speaker 1: San Bernardino Years Department, How would you determine right off
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  Speaker 1: the bat that this was an arsenal?
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  Speaker 4: What you're looking for is any kind of incendiary devices,
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  Speaker 4: any kind of initiation devices. Are the presence of any
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  Speaker 4: accelerants or chemicals that would precipitate the fire.
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  Speaker 1: You know, having prosecuted many arsons, Dave Moyer, You're absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I learned investigating and prosecuting arsons. Very often,
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  Speaker 1: when an accelerant is used, which is a very common
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  Speaker 1: mo modus opera and die method of operation, you can
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  Speaker 1: actually see with the naked eye. You don't need a
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  Speaker 1: magnifying glass. You can see where the accelerant, let's just
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  Speaker 1: go with gasoline was poor. You can see where the
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  Speaker 1: fire started. The burning damage will be much much more
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  Speaker 1: intense and extensive at the location where the fire started.
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  Speaker 1: Think of a home, Think of a fire started in
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  Speaker 1: a kitchen. The damage done they as opposed to one
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  Speaker 1: of the back bedrooms, will be much more intense because
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  Speaker 1: that is where the fire originated. For example, sometimes let's
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  Speaker 1: just go with the Molotov cocktail. You will actually find
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  Speaker 1: evidence of the incendiary device, of the accelerant device, such
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  Speaker 1: as a glass jar. Here. Since it's a vehicle, there's
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  Speaker 1: any number of ways to set it on fire, but
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  Speaker 1: they knew at the get go it was ours. To
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  Speaker 1: Karen Starr, I find it very difficult to believe because
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  Speaker 1: of statistics. It's very rare that a female on her own,
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  Speaker 1: without any urging, without a co conspirator, starts an arson
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  Speaker 1: fire of a very rare. That's a man thing, without.
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  Speaker 5: A doubt, that's a man thing. And I think we're
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  Speaker 5: all aware of that because women are not that aggressive.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the kind of thing that a woman would do.
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  Speaker 5: They're much more passed. And I can't even begin to imagine,
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  Speaker 5: can you that somebody would want to set their own
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  Speaker 5: car on fire when they're so proud of this new car,
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  Speaker 5: this new truck, and it seems improvable to me. I
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  Speaker 5: can't see that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Another case that's coming to mind, Brian, if it's Gibbons
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  Speaker 1: and you and I worked on this one together, is
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  Speaker 1: of Niki Chang, another young mom that seemingly vanished off
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  Speaker 1: the face of the earth. Suesspeicially was heightened when a
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  Speaker 1: fire erupted at her estranged husband's home. Was he trying
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of evidence? And it all goes back
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  Speaker 1: to Niki Chang. Truck or truck was full of evidence,
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  Speaker 1: including biological evidence that was traced back to Niki Chang.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's some kind of a connection, Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 1: between a person in their vehicle. So often we see
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  Speaker 1: women snatched out of their car and that car bears evidence.
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  Speaker 1: It can be blood, it can be some other type
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  Speaker 1: of DNA, and see the car set on fire to
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  Speaker 1: get rid of the evids. And I'm wondering if that's
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  Speaker 1: not what happened in the case of Nikki Winder.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds like that's what happened there, Nancy. Well, I can
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  Speaker 5: see that because they often find like pieces of carterial
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  Speaker 5: that can trace back to whoever committed her crime. And
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  Speaker 5: so that was very thought out to actually take that
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  Speaker 5: truck and put it on fire because they didn't want there,
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  Speaker 5: They didn't want anybody to be able to trace it
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  Speaker 5: to whoever did this.
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  Speaker 1: Say, Matt, what can you tell me about the search
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  Speaker 1: so far for Nikki?
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, The search has taken place in two very specific areas.
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  Speaker 2: They started at her place of work at that residence.
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  Speaker 2: They and they did the search around where her truck
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  Speaker 2: was found on fire. These searches are large scale, involving
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  Speaker 2: drones overhead, K nine teams on the ground, and they
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  Speaker 2: had air support helicopters and air crew. The main search
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  Speaker 2: area along FM nine to seven four, but they have
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  Speaker 2: had to expand it as leads have come in. Multiple
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  Speaker 2: agencies involved in this as well as the Texas Department
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  Speaker 2: of Public Safety, Texas Search and Rescue, and the Search
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  Speaker 2: Dog Network all involved in this very large search of
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  Speaker 2: two different areas.
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  Speaker 1: So, Dave Moyer joining us, what do you make of
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  Speaker 1: the use of canines this is your specialty.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am. This is definitely have as an application for
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  Speaker 4: area search dogs, which are dogs that will cover broad
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  Speaker 4: swatches of territory and searching for any live or deceased
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  Speaker 4: humans in that area. And they were using their nose
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  Speaker 4: in the environment to their advantage with the wind direction
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  Speaker 4: and whatnot. Also here, I don't know what dogs were used,
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  Speaker 4: but cadaver dogs are human or main dogs HRD for short,
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  Speaker 4: would also have an application here because they don't just
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  Speaker 4: find anybody that may be deceased in the area, they
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  Speaker 4: also find any blood that might be left over for
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  Speaker 4: an evidentiary standpoint, So it sounds like they really covered
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  Speaker 4: their bases, getting all the canine teens out there and
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  Speaker 4: covered those areas. But to touch on the subject somebody
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  Speaker 4: else brought up earlier, if that vehicle is moved after
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  Speaker 4: the crime and was simply there to be disposed of,
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  Speaker 4: there wouldn't be any evidence there. So the dogs are
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  Speaker 4: not going to be able to detect anything if it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't exist in that area.
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  Speaker 1: Day Moyer, what do you believe authorities should be doing
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  Speaker 1: now to find it?
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like they're still going down the path that I
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  Speaker 4: would recommend with using their area dogs and their HRD
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  Speaker 4: dogs and searching some large areas. As this continues to progress,
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  Speaker 4: hopefully some more evidence will point them in the right
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: direction and get them into an area where the dogs
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: can do some kind of detection. Again, a dog is
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: it's not an area effect weapon. You've got to use
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: the dog in the area where it can be most effective.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: So that's going to be the difficulty in this investigation
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: is finding where best to of boy.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Dogs crime stories with Nancy Grace Aaron Stark, you know, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Not sure if this is correct Nancy, but she left
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: her workplace in haste, that she couldn't wait to get
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: out of there for some reason. And if that's true,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: that's really relevant because there was something that was happening
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: that made her leave that quickly and that she was
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: aware of, perhaps her friend Aaron Stark.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. Nicole Winder was last seen leaving work
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: over two weeks ago. It was after that her truck
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was discovered on fire near an oil well, Brazos County.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Now what we're trying to find out is if anyone
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: has seen her, heard of her, gotten a text, gotten
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a call, anything. We also know that local authorities are
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: asking residents along FM nine seventy four between Highway twenty
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  Speaker 1: one and Macy Road to review security and game camera
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  Speaker 1: footage from feb twenty five. February twenty five days they've
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: isolated that date or if you saw Nikki's white twenty
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: twenty five Chevy truck with black rims before it was
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: discovered set on fire. They are begging for this surveillance video.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to you regarding Dave Matt
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: regarding an ATV. What can you tell me about that?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But Nancy at the pretty much same time that the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: picture of Nicole's twenty twenty five Chevy truck was cut captured,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: this ATV was also captured on video. Investigators have asked
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the person driving this ATV to come forward, but they haven't.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Now all we know, Nancy is that this story is
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: big around Bran in Texas. And if that was you
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: driving an ATV that police wanted to talk to you,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: if there's an innocent answer, you would call them and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that was me. I was out riding around for fun.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't come forward with that? Butte this
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: person has not come forward. They're still trying to investigators
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: still trying to identify the type of ATV and who.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious what the connection is to Nikki Winder.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: In the continued search for a missing Brothers County mom,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Nicole Winder, the Sheriff's office begging for the public's help
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to id an all terrain vehicle. It was captured on
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: camera near the area where her truck was found on fire.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: That is significant, Brian Fitzgibbons. Video surveillance catches the ATV
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: near where her truck is set on fire. That's why
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: they want it. What is that ATV doing out by
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: on an old oil field and an oil pad at
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the same time where Chuck's on fire.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think it's uncommon in a rural area
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  Speaker 3: like this that people will have ATVs like this and
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: use them around their properties. So that ATV is probably located,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: you know, garage close by this location. So the fact
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: that it's there is not surprising. The fact that it
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: was caught on camera at and around the time of
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Nikki's disappearance is certainly makes this a potential witness in
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the kitchen.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Dave Moyer, I could not disagree with Brian Fitzgibbons more
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: out in the middle of a rural and desolate area,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: her truck is set on fire and then out of
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the blue, same location. What a coinkydink is this ATV?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Why is it there between three and four pm February
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: twenty five, the day she goes missing near Jack Creek Road.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: If it's not involved, why didn't they call in the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: fire think about it? What about it? Moyer?
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I would speculate to say that their option a this
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: is somehow related to the crime, and it was already
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: prestaged for our suspect to be able to leave the
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: area without leaving any ability for canines to track him
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: to another vehicle. And if that is the case, then
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: then yeah, obviously he's not going to come forward. B
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I've lived in a lot of rural areas, and I
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: do agree with the prior gentleman that I mean, guys
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: use these out on their property all the time. It
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: could be a service vehicle for the oil pad itself,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: or it could just be driven by an older gentleman
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: that doesn't watch television very much. Again, these are possibilities
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: to rule out, that is all I'm saying.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Did you actually say this could be what a service
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: vehicle for the oil industry? Did you say that, Yes.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Ma'am, it could be. I don't know what company services.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That vehicle would totally ignore. Hey, there's a fire and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: an oil field.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Again, if they departed the area prior to the fire
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: or prior to someone being parked there, it sounds like
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: it was there at the same time. So absolutely I'd
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: be looking to this guy for a witness. And again
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: it leans back to the option a I brought up.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: It could lend that there was a lot of logistics
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: that went into this crime. Having an escape vehicle already
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: pre staged at that location.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. Wh wh whoa whoa, whoa whoa.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody has said anything about an escape vehicle. You just
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: dropped that on me. An escape vehicle? What what? You're
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: not going back to Nikki Winder want to just start
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a new life. You're not going there, are you?
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Oh? No, no, ma'am. I'm simply exploring all the speculation
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that could involve that we have so little information that
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at all the different possibilities if this.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell me your theory about an escape vehicle. Hold on,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hold on, I gotta get comfortable for this. What about
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: an escape vehicle. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: don't know where you're going. Explain to me that this
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: whole thing been played out and they needed that they
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: drove the truck there, and they needed an ATV as
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: an escape vehicle.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I'm just guessing here, yes, ma'am, that vehicle would have
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: been pre staged, that the actual abduction may have taken
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: place in a different location. That was just the area
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: they planned on dumping the vehicle, so it was already
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: pre staged. They got there, they burned the vehicle and
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: then they had that ATV pre stage so they could
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: drive away from the scene. So that is an option
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: that is something the investigators are going to have to
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: rule out.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm very very close to forgiving you, Dave Moyer,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: for suggesting she just left work in a hurry, ran off, disappeared,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and set her truck on fire to start a new life.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I'm this close to forgiving you for that, because that's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a pretty good theory. You just came up with one thing.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I do know, if it's given, her body wasn't in
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that truck, because to get rid of a human body,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you have to have much higher a much higher degree
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of heat than that truck would have created. I mean,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you need an incinerator grade fire to totally get rid
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of a body. Hey, I don't know if you recall
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the cable, Darling. Stephen Avery was wrongfully convicted of a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: felony dis jail time. As soon as he got out,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he murdered someone, a young photographer, Theresa Hallback. The reason
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing him up is because he started a fire
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: pit and his the back of his auto salvage law
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and according to his own relatives and friends, he stirred
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that fire pit all night trying to get rid of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: her body didn't work. There were tiny, tiny bone fragments,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: her teeth were still there, Andy studs off the back
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of her Daisy Fintas jeans were in that fire, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that fire burned all night long. He suggested that he
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was having a bondfire that said, her body is not
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in this trust, so where is she or her boxy?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this fire was clearly started as either a
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a diversion or B to destroy evidence. You know, that's
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: what we typically see. And when suspects, our perpetrators are
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: destroying a body, human remains, they're not going to do
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that publicly viewable from the side of the road. It's
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: going to take time, it's going to require an incinerator
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: that can generate temperatures high enough to destroy the body.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: So you know, this was clearly in an effort to
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: destroy evidence.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Dave mac what is the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: tempt needed to destroy a human body entirely?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Fourteen hundred to eighteen hundred degrees.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: In a recent report, the facts have been updated. It's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: been determined she was last saying three p m. The
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: same day, the day that Karen Stark is describing hastily
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: leaving a residence where she was employed. Now, the Sheriff's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: office spoke with family members and they were concerned about her,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: saying an alert has been issued. It's a partner with
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the Amber Alert. It's called a clear alert. So at
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: this juncture, Bryanfus Gibbons, what should local authorities be doing
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to find Nicki?
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, first and foremost, getting the word out there to
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: find that personal as a potential witness is a good
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: first step. And investigators are going to be keeping all
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: of the information around their investigation pretty close to the
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: chest right now, because you know, we have to believe
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that Nicki was targeted here if this is indeed a.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: K okay to you. Dave Moyer, Canine tracker master trainer,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: canine tracker program manager for military contracts, former Navy bomb
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: disposal master technician. I mean I could keep going on
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and on with San Bernardino Sheriff's Department. Do you agree
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: or disagree with what Ms Gibbons just said? What else
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: can they be doing? Because I'm hearing nothing about this
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: investigation or her disappearance. Where is her family, where's her boyfriend?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, where's the sheriff why are we hearing nothing
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: about Nicole Winder?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm going to back him up on his comment.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: The investigators are clearly going to keep any information that
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: they have very close to the chest as they continue
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: to develop evidence. In this case, it does sound like
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: there was a significant amount of planning involved. That there's
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: no evidence in the scene of where the vehicle was recovered,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: and just to touch on what the other lady had
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: said earlier, that it was burned up to destroy any evidence,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: which would absolutely do that if there was any evidence
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: in there, and even the dogs aren't going to detect
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: it for the human to remains recovery dogs. If there
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: was an entire body there, that's a different story. And
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: they got to put the dogs in the locations as
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: they developed this information where they're going to be able
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: to detect any cent if she is still alive or
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: if she is deceased and she's been hidden somewhere.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: There is a five thousand dollar reward for information leading
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to the whereabouts of Nicole Winder five seven, about one
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds, blonde hair, blue eyes. Again. Tips
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: can be submitted to crime Stoppers, who is offering a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars reward in the search for Nicole Again.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding her disappearance,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: called the Brazos County Sheriffs nine seven nine three six
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: one forty nine hundred repeat nine seven nine three six
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: one forty nine hundred. We remember American hero Tech Sergeant
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Ashley Pruitt, US Air Force, just thirty four, killed in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the line of duty in Iraq, leaving behind her husband
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: turned widow, Gregory, and two children without a mother. American
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: hero Tech Sergeant Ashley Pruitt. Thank you to our guests,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Grace signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And until then, good night friend,