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The Biggest Updates on Your Favorite Cases · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I
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  Speaker 1: will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane Shane. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, the original plan was to do an all
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  Speaker 1: new podcasts with a new case. Actually we were going
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  Speaker 1: to go into Wade Wilson. But because since the time
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  Speaker 1: I recorded the last one and today, there has been
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  Speaker 1: so much information, new information coming out on many of
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  Speaker 1: the cases that we've already discussed, we just decided to
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  Speaker 1: take this opportunity to just do some updates because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like when things more information comes out, or things change,
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  Speaker 1: or more people are talking about something, we have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of revisit it, right.
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  Speaker 2: Crime is always surfacing.
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  Speaker 1: Always evolved, right, So we're going to go back and
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  Speaker 1: visit some of the cases that we've already talked about
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  Speaker 1: and do some updates on them. So, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: we did, I would say, multiple episodes on Brian Coberger,
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  Speaker 1: who you know was the Idaho the Idaho murder, the
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  Speaker 1: four students that were killed in Idaho, and new information
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  Speaker 1: has come out because they've released the autopsy reports for
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  Speaker 1: the four victims and other information that has become unsealed.
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  Speaker 1: So a newly unsealed court document reviewed by people indicates
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  Speaker 1: that Brian Coberger may have used two different weapons on
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  Speaker 1: just one of his four victims. Doctor Brent Turvey, a
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  Speaker 1: forensic criminologist hired by the Coburger's defense, concluded that Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: gonsl This sustained injuries caused by two separate weapons and
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  Speaker 1: two distinct types of trauma, according to his review of
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  Speaker 1: her autopsy report. Now, I was watching like an interviewer
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  Speaker 1: or something with him on the autopsy, and it made
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  Speaker 1: it sound like there were well, we know he used
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  Speaker 1: a k bar knife because that was his the knife
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  Speaker 1: sheath was found at the scene, so we know that
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  Speaker 1: the main source, the main weapon was a k bar knife, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a k bar Rambo knife?
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  Speaker 1: It's like a Rambo knife, I mean that's a that's
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  Speaker 1: a knife, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But like a crocodile dundee.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. But according to this autopsy, it looks as
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  Speaker 1: if there was also blunt force trauma, I believe. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that.
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  Speaker 2: Trauma be a fist or it means an actual object.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, because I felt as if
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  Speaker 1: it was possibly a fist, which makes him just even
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  Speaker 1: more of a psycho. I mean, is he just like
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  Speaker 1: stabbing with one hand and punching with another. Medical findings
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  Speaker 1: show that gun solvests sustain injuries far more extensive than
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  Speaker 1: the other victims. In addition to sharp force trauma, which
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  Speaker 1: was the knife the cabar knife, she suffered blunt force
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  Speaker 1: injuries to the head, including a scalp laceration, bleeding around
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  Speaker 1: the brain, a fractured nose, facial abrasions, bruising around the eyes,
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  Speaker 1: and distinctive patterned bruises across her lower face. Her injuries
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  Speaker 1: were reportedly so severe that the medical examiner could not
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  Speaker 1: determine an exact total count she was stabbed. You know
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  Speaker 1: what they say when they don't have a total count
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  Speaker 1: is they just give a minimum. They're like, there's a
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  Speaker 1: minimum of this amount.
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  Speaker 2: They know there's more, but they can't identify it, no,
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  Speaker 2: because they.
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  Speaker 1: Start to because they start to cross over into each other.
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  Speaker 1: So it's difficult to determine exactly how many of their
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  Speaker 1: war but were But they say, you know, they give
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  Speaker 1: a minimum of at least twenty four times and the
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  Speaker 1: scout face and neck, and she was the only victim
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  Speaker 1: to suffer trauma to her teeth and tongue. This to
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  Speaker 1: me sounds highly personal to and again, can we just
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  Speaker 1: reiterate he was only in that house twelve minutes And.
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  Speaker 2: I just looked up blunt first trauma can be a
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  Speaker 2: result of a fist, absolutely right, So very personal, very personal.
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  Speaker 1: So again not.
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  Speaker 2: Just get in, kill, get out again.
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  Speaker 1: I questioned this before when we talked about this case
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  Speaker 1: before that from the time he entered the home until
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  Speaker 1: he was seen exiting, and you know, they have his
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  Speaker 1: car on videos, so they know that he was in
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  Speaker 1: the house twelve minutes. I don't know how one person accomplished.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying, well, I think that there was a second.
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  Speaker 2: Person, And how long is it supposed to take. It's horrific.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't take away from that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just crazy, I go, but just
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  Speaker 1: different levels of the house that he goes up and
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  Speaker 1: down to. One room has two the two girls were
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  Speaker 1: sleeping together in the bed. You know, he runs into
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  Speaker 1: Xana somewhere. We'll talk about Xana and a little bit
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Ethan and the bed, like how how he
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  Speaker 1: navigates the different floors, different levels and the different people
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  Speaker 1: in twelve minutes and inflicks the amount of damage that
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  Speaker 1: he did to each one of these children. I'm gonna say, children,
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  Speaker 1: is just unreal to me. This doctor, this forensic doctor
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  Speaker 1: that they were that was talking. Turvy, his name is
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  Speaker 1: Turvey cited this as support for his theory that more
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  Speaker 1: than one attacker was present that night. This is why
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  Speaker 1: he was the defence's he was supposedly he was a
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  Speaker 1: forensic criminologist that the defense was going to use. But
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  Speaker 1: remember he pleaded, He took a plea deal, so or
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  Speaker 1: a trial back.
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  Speaker 2: Was their position going to be that there was someone else?
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  Speaker 2: Because there was because there was much oh or so
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  Speaker 2: much had taken place.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So Turvy cited this is support for his theory
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  Speaker 1: that more than one attacker was present that night, a
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  Speaker 1: claim prosecutor strongly disputed, arguing that a single person can
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  Speaker 1: inflict multiple forms of harm. One of Turvy's main arguments
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  Speaker 1: focusing on timing, specifically the roughly fifteen minutes the suspect. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they say fifteen minutes. I'd always heard twelve, but I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's neither here nor there are twelve fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: right the suspect is believed to have spent at the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene. He claimed the amount of activity required and
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  Speaker 1: that windows suggested more than one person was involved. According
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  Speaker 1: to the filing, Turvy wrote, the precautionary acts in this
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  Speaker 1: case include the execution of living witnesses, the cleanup of
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  Speaker 1: bloody hands, feet, footwear, and clothing before leaving, and the
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  Speaker 1: disposal of said clothing along with the weapons used. Turvy
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  Speaker 1: argued that it would have been unrealistic for a single
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  Speaker 1: person to commit the attacks, eliminate evidence, and leave within
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  Speaker 1: the proposed time frame. You know, it was also interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and this was another theory of the defense, even though
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  Speaker 1: you know it never went to trial, was that they
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  Speaker 1: found no blood evidence in his car. So he goes
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  Speaker 1: into this house commits the acts that he does. There's
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  Speaker 1: blood everywhere. We've seen photos of the crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: Did he have a suit on? Maybe that's what I think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was the one witness that saw him leaving
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  Speaker 1: that said he was covered, you know, she could only
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  Speaker 1: see his eyes like he had a mask on. It
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  Speaker 1: makes me think of the movie That Departed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the end when Matt Damon, you know, shoots whoever
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  Speaker 1: he kills.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, Mark Mark Wahlberg walks.
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  Speaker 1: In and kills Matt Damon. Yes, and he's covered and
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  Speaker 1: it has Matt's.
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  Speaker 2: Gloves, everything, booties.
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  Speaker 1: Everything, right, So I I don't know. I mean for
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  Speaker 1: there not to be any blood evidence in this guy's
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  Speaker 1: getaway vehicle, yeah, I mean, I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like he disrobed whatever he had on, put
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  Speaker 2: in the bag, maybe got in his car or split
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  Speaker 2: then dumped his bag somewhere. Now it's gone.
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  Speaker 1: He had to have been covered head to toe to
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  Speaker 1: not get any DNA anything, not one. No, they found
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  Speaker 1: no blood, no, nothing in his car.
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  Speaker 2: So that's just and he really did slip up by
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  Speaker 2: leaping that sheath.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, that key boar sheath left behind?
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  Speaker 2: It was he Yeah, that was it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he has nightmares every night about that kbar.
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  Speaker 2: Sheath because they someone could have said, oh I heard
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  Speaker 2: a room, like, here's a lead, right this Coburger guy.
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  Speaker 2: So then they go and let's say they had reason
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  Speaker 2: to search his car and everything, they would have found nothing, right,
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  Speaker 2: so there was no other leads, uh to Coburger. But
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  Speaker 2: you know other than that sheath.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, they think that maybe there was a second weapon.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a second weapon or
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  Speaker 1: if it was just his fists, because it's blood forced trauma.
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  Speaker 1: But Kayleie Gonzalves's family previously disclosed the presence of a
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  Speaker 1: second weapon after Coburger played guilty says to the murders
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  Speaker 1: in July twenty twenty five, but this is the first
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  Speaker 1: instance in which an expert formally documented that claim. The
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  Speaker 1: identity of the second weapon remains unknown, though her parents
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  Speaker 1: have said it was used on her face.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of defense is that though to say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there was more than one person, Well, okay, that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean it's not your person.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't understand that.
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  Speaker 2: Doubt of some sort.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. I guess I didn't really understand that either,
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  Speaker 1: other than to say, okay, so there's two psychopaths out there, like,
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  Speaker 1: how does that? How does that? How does that mitigate
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  Speaker 1: you know, what your involvement? And also, if there was
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  Speaker 1: supposedly or the defense was going to use that there
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  Speaker 1: was a second person, why wouldn't you have named that
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  Speaker 1: person and tried to put blame on that person.
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  Speaker 2: And split the sentencing so it wouldn't be fair.
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  Speaker 1: So Kayley and Matti Mogan, they were killed together in
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  Speaker 1: the same bed. Both died from multiple sharp force wounds,
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  Speaker 1: although both sustained dozens of stab injuries. All of their
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  Speaker 1: wounds were located above the waist. Autopsy reports further concluded
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  Speaker 1: that neither woman stood up during the attack and likely
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  Speaker 1: awoke as Coburger began stabbing them. Remember, I said again,
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  Speaker 1: when there are two people and he comes into that room,
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  Speaker 1: I first of all, I think he wasn't expecting there
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  Speaker 1: to be two in the same bed. I think that
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  Speaker 1: made him insanely angry. And I assume because they were
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  Speaker 1: both inebriated, because I did watch of a video, because
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  Speaker 1: their blood alcohol level was released and they both were.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's like three and a half times like
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  Speaker 2: legally drunk and a half times the California, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what Idaho is.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators believe Coburger may have intended to use the second
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  Speaker 1: weapon on Mogan as well, but that plan may have
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  Speaker 1: been interrupted when roommate Xana Kernodle entered the scene before
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  Speaker 1: she was killed. Now, Xana, I've seen many many articles.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have been following this,
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  Speaker 1: but there's been many articles that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are praising Xana Kernodle as the hero in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: Because I believe she was the one that was up
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  Speaker 1: and moving about. She may have been. I think she
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  Speaker 1: was the one that ordered the door dash, that may
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  Speaker 1: have been going down to get her food. And I
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  Speaker 1: think possibly had a run in with him because because
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  Speaker 1: according to her autopsy report, she fought extremely. She was
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  Speaker 1: fighting back, and they believe that his ke Bart Sheath
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  Speaker 1: was left behind because of how he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was struggling. He was struggling, couldn't commit this perfect crime.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and she foiled his plans and that got left
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  Speaker 1: behind and she really fought I guess she did.
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  Speaker 2: Did she have DNA in her nails? I don't think
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  Speaker 2: she had his DNA because it was only on the.
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  Speaker 1: The Oh yeah, well he's covered somehow, he's covered.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all I was going to get at was it
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  Speaker 2: further proves that he had some that he was covered.
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  Speaker 2: And if she fought back as hard as they're claiming
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  Speaker 2: she did, which I'm sure she did, then again, why
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  Speaker 2: does he not have blood anywhere?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's I picked, I have a visual and
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  Speaker 1: he is wrapped up like.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't buy it on Amazon? No, Well he brought
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  Speaker 2: his knife on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Got his knife on Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the story is yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Also, yeah, again I said this before. There were the
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  Speaker 1: other roommates that were downstairs and they didn't really hear anything.
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  Speaker 2: And I do their blood alcohol level, I know there
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  Speaker 2: and a half times the California I.
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  Speaker 1: Probably, I know, but I'm just saying, I mean, for
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  Speaker 1: that for there to be at a struggle on multiple
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  Speaker 1: levels and for him to have basically gotten in a
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  Speaker 1: a all out fight with Xana and she was fighting
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  Speaker 1: against him to.
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  Speaker 2: The better amp, how did she not scream? And she
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  Speaker 2: probably did, so how did they not hear it?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Ethan was her boyfriend and he was
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  Speaker 1: in the bed. So I'm thinking Coburger had to have
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  Speaker 1: taken Ethan out before he gotten the struggle with Xana,
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  Speaker 1: because if he's going through this struggle with Xana, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like Ethan would have gotten you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, if you're if you're that, if you're drunk too,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be harder to fight.
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  Speaker 1: Back, No, I know, I mean they all had been.
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  Speaker 2: They clearly did, but it's going to be a slower reaction.
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  Speaker 2: So Ethan, he's going to have a slower reaction if
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  Speaker 2: he's caught off guard by Coberg.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You know, Also, according to the autopsy, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought this was strange because it doesn't really make sense
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  Speaker 1: to me. But Ethan was stabbed like the other girls,
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  Speaker 1: but he also had wounds in his lower extremities, So I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know how or something.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean you like, I guess cobrat like stabbed
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  Speaker 1: in it. Like I don't know why you stab in
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  Speaker 1: the legs. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever driven like on a on a street
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  Speaker 2: and you see like, let's say, you see a car
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  Speaker 2: wreck right like an intersection of these cars like all
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  Speaker 2: over the place, and you're like, how did that car
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  Speaker 2: get way over there? And then later you might learn
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  Speaker 2: what the like, you can't you can't map it out.
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  Speaker 2: You can't figure out how the cars got where they were,
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  Speaker 2: like what was popped? You can't reconstruct it. And sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you'll see skid marks that like fly everywhere and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: how did this happen? You just picture cars crashed and
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  Speaker 2: right then and there they stopped. Ye, same with this
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  Speaker 2: crime scene. It was they were all over the place
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  Speaker 2: and you're trying to you unprofessional no experience or trying
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  Speaker 2: to reconstruct a fight scene can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I know I'm trying to I'm just trying
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  Speaker 1: to make it make sense in my head.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, struggling rolling around. Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: There's one more thing I just want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: with this case before we move on to the other ones.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the fact that Idaho does have
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty and the fact that the prosecution allowed
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  Speaker 1: a plea deal with this guy. For him to take
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  Speaker 1: a life sentence as a plea deal makes no sense
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  Speaker 1: to me, because in what scenario does he not deserve
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  Speaker 1: this is I feel like, this is what the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty is.
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  Speaker 2: This guy doesn't get the death penalty, then what do
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  Speaker 2: you have to do to get it?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly? That is my point. If Idaho has the death penalty,
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  Speaker 1: this case is in Idaho and they allow him to
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  Speaker 1: take a plea deal to get life and not the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty, in what scenario does someone deserve the death penalty?
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  Speaker 1: This man, in fifteen minutes went inside a house and
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  Speaker 1: committed the most atrocious acts on these four innocent young children. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just looked up the Idaho execution rate. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: last it has been over ten years since they've had
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  Speaker 2: a formal execution, and even then, there's only been three
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  Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: So it's rare, but I would just feel better knowing
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  Speaker 1: that he was sitting on death row thinking that someday
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  Speaker 1: he would be executed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know? Yeah, I mean that's yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 2: you mean not. They didn't even start him on death row, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he just puts that out there as a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Last week we talked about the ou pair affairs,
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  Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to that episode, this is
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  Speaker 1: a good one because this case, this is why when
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: they say reality is stranger than fiction and why reality
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  Speaker 1: TV is so good is because there are just things
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  Speaker 1: that happen that you can't even write. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: if someone wrote this as a movie script, they'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: this is too far fetch, you can't you got to
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  Speaker 1: rewrite that. But this is real. So dr do.
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  Speaker 2: People do this like this doesn't make sense?
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: Brendan Banfield, just to give you a little synopsis if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't listen to our last episode and you don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Brendan Banfield and his wife had an a pair from
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  Speaker 1: Brazil who was a young pair. What an O pair?
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  Speaker 2: An O pair?
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  Speaker 1: Well, like a nanny from a foreign nanny from Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: She was twenty something and allegedly, because he's on allegedly
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  Speaker 1: they were having an affair in the home, you know,
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  Speaker 1: right under the wife's nose. And then according to her,
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  Speaker 1: this is the O pair. She claims that the two
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  Speaker 1: of them came up with the plan to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the wife, and they did that by creating you know,
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  Speaker 1: a fetish going on a fetish site. And as the.
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  Speaker 2: Wise, it's someone to fulfill a crazy rape fan fetish
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  Speaker 2: right that the wife supposedly had of. I wanted someone
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  Speaker 2: to attack me, rate me, and kill me. Why.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about the violent violent assault, but consensual
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  Speaker 1: between two adults and with a knife. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think anybody was supposed to get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a scenarios staged breaking in. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: they have an intruder and they're gonna bend off the
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  Speaker 2: intruder and kill him and her and the process or something, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they do so, so this guy who you know.
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  Speaker 2: That's debolical.
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  Speaker 1: It is not debolical, it's diabolical. It's diabolical. So this
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  Speaker 1: guy answers the ad. He's on the fetish website as well,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and he's like yes, I will show up and have
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: sex with you. I will bring a knife and then
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: they're going to do this like role play kind of thing.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Get lucky.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, poor guy up for his roleplay, right, And you
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: know the husband and the O pair there, I don't know.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: The scene's chaotic, so I don't even know at the end,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: but the guy ends up getting well, the wife gets stabbed,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and then that guy gets shot, and you know, the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: prosecution is claiming that Brendan killed his wife. And then
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I think the O pair shot with the other guy.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm like, both of them came up with it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So they're both guilty, right, well, assuming they're both guilty, right,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: But if they're both guilty, then then I don't care
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: who had the knife and who had the gun?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Right, So the O pair actually, the scene was so chaotic.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: There were four people, two of them are dead, there's
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a knife, and there's a god. And I think the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: police were like, we have yes, amazing. But the police
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I think they just walked away from that crime scene
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: thinking we can't even like figure out what's going on there.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: There's blood everywhere. But when they really honed in to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: him is when they came back to probably I think
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a couple months later, to probably question and you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: follow up on this investigation. The pair had moved into
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the master bedroom, replaced all the wife's photos with her own,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and the child was calling her mommy. So then they
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: were really tipped off, and then they arrested her. She
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: ends up taking some type of plea deal she pleads
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: For that they had no, they weren't on it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they were investigating, but I don't think
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they had anything solid. It wasn't until they went back
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and revisited.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Just because he was a spouse and present, he was
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: a person of.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Interest, right, but nothing right. And then it's when they
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: go back and I think just to question them again,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: probably about like follow up or you know, we're still investigating,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, they they go, they show up at
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the house and her photos are all gone and they've
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: been replaced with the O pair and the child's calling
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: her mommy, and she moved all her stuff into the
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: master bedroom. Yeah, so the O pair ends up taking a.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Sorry, they're in this house where two people were murdered,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and it was it was like a horror crime scene. Yeah,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and then they're just like now they're
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: off happily ever after upstairs in the bedroom.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Psychos right. So basically to me, this is what it
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: comes down to, because we were talking about this yesterday.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: As far as the blood evidence.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't get back. You can't move on
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: because like they move on like nothing happened.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They did move on like nothing happened. Yeah, that's when
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you were That's when you know two people are clear psycho,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: both of them. Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, you get tired and you go to sleep.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: We don't spend time together. These people have no problem
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: committing a crime, murdering people and then moving in right
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: with each other in the same house.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And they took the time to take those pictures out
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of the frame.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I picture her like cutting her face out of her
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: own photos pasting it on his wedding photos. She's like
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: really psycho like that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably so. During the two days of testimony, Brendan
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Banfield acknowledged his affair with the family's oh pair her
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: name is Julian, but tonight any plan to harm his wife.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: He said. He told Juliana that the relationship was only
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: an affair and it would not change his marriage. Testifying
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that he loved his wife and that both had previously
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: been unfaithful during their nearly twenty year relationship. I love
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: how now that the wife is gone, he's like, oh,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, she had lots of affairs. It's no
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: big deal. You know.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: That is so disrespectful to do that. Not only does
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: he kill her, but then he wants to make her
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: out to be some unfaithful woman.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Well, because it fits his narrative right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: To try to make him look better for all that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: he did right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Banfield testified that he and Juliana were not actively together
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: on the day of the killings. That morning, he said
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: he had a significant work meetings scheduled and planned to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: later drive to New York with his daughter for her
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: birth for his birthday. However, prosecutors challenged this timeline, with
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: IRS Special Agent Thomas Patrick Smith, that is his boss,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: stating that there was no scheduled meeting and that Banfield's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: other potential managers were out of town. He created this
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: fake thing, or he was saying that he was going
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to work because he had some important work meeting, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: then the prosecutors get his boss on the stand, it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like there was nothing on the calendar and there was
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: no work meeting. Banfield said he stopped at McDonald's for breakfast,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: corroborated by surveillance footage when Juliana called, sounding distressed. After
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: returning home and failing to reach his wife, he entered
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the house quietly through the basement. That's suspicious right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: There, coming home through the basement.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if he doesn't know anything that's going on. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: he's like, let me sneak in through the basement, he said.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: He initially like, why would I do that if I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: can't get a hold of you and I'm trying to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: call you and I legitimately can't get a hold of you,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't know what's going on. I'm not going
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to park my car and then sneak in through our
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: backyard and sneak in through the back door.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Wait, what, so what is his is? He's not denying
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that he came through the basement.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Nobody's saying. He says he initially believed to be overhearing
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: consensual sex and did not think police involvement was necessary.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I guess that's why claims he's sneaking in because he
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: could hear I did see him on the stand, testifying
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and he said he could hear moaning and skin on
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: skin contact. I was like, this guy, man, I can't
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: even I can't even watch him and find him the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: least bit credible at all. Then he recalled instead of
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: what I thought was the sounds of sex, I thought
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that the impact sounds sounded forceful, and that Christine's moaning
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sounded painful and not pleasurable, adding that he thought that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: maybe she was being hurt. I think that maybe she's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: being hurt. Like he's clearly thought about this. Like it
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: went from I heard sex sounds like moaning, but then
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it changed and I thought she was being hurt. Banfield
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: said he saw Joseph Ryan, that's the guy that they
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: learned over to the house, kneeling over his wife. So
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Brendan announced himself as police.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Questions.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, I always pause because I know you have questions.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: He's Joseph.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Victim.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, what is he doing? What is he supposedly doing? Well,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Brittain not that band feels credible.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But Brendon claims that he sees him kneeling over his
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: wife like he's going to harm her.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, but we don't believe that to be true, do we.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't believe anything, he says.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I But I mean, like the questions I have now are,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: did this guy break into the house? Who Joseph?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: No? Because I think they probably left the door unlocked.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so he enters, he has instructions and
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he enters, but then she's home. Yeah, I mean that's
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: an awkward Yes, that is awkward. Trying to make light
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of it, but yeah, so they're just like, why are
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you here? Why are you here?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So right, I don't know. I mean I would love
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to see that initial but I have a feeling that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: there wasn't much of an initial.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: No, because they were waiting because they were so you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: they didn't want them to figure it out, cancel the date.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And fight back or I mean they had to, you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they had to lay and wait somehow and surprise attack.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So why, so why is he claiming that he came
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: in through the basement.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: He's like, why they why he came through the front
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: door like normal? And I saw him in the kitchen.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it is corroborated that he was at McDonald so
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: he wasn't on site at home. He actually did leave
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like he was going to work. I just don't think
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: he went very far. I think he went to McDonald's.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I think he was waiting for Juliana to say that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the guy was there. And then he comes back home.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And the whole thing is insanity, debolical, diabolical, diabolical. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, he claims that he sees Joseph Ryan. This
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is the innocent guy kneeling over his wife. So Brendan
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: announced himself as police.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: He recalled his wife's that's what most people do.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, he recalled his wife warning him Brendan he has
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a knife. Brendan said he attempted to de escalate the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: situation before firing and said he want he watched Joseph
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: stab Christine. When questioned about why he did not shoot sooner,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Bamfield said, I was afraid. My shooting record is on
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the lower end, and I was afraid of hitting her.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, who thinks about that in that time? Are
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you telling You're telling me walk in and this guy
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is stabbing your wife, but you don't shoot because you're
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: shooting record as you're as a IRS agent. He's an
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: IRS agent. He's like, oh, my shooting record isn't that great?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna yell police, and I'm just gonna
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: stand here and pause and just see what happened. So
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: after the shooting, Banfield said Christine was still conscious and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: guided him and applying pressure to her wounds. He recalled,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Christine told me that she was bleeding out and that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: she was sorry and that she loved me. Bamfield testified
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that Juliana left to retrieve his personal firearm and fired
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a shot at Joseph Ryan. Bamfield said he did not
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: instruct her to do so. Juliana was arrested in October
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three and later agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: She testified that Bamfield staged the scene and planned to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: get rid of his wife. Bamfield's defense is argued that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: she fabricated her account in exchange for leniency. Banfield was
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: charged in September of twenty twenty four, and prosecutors alleged
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: he manipulated the crime scene, including moving Joseph Ryan's body
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and pouring handfuls of his wife's blood onto the man
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to frame him. Forensic testing found no Banfield DNA on
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the knife that killed Christine, only Christine's and Joseph's DNA
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: were recovered.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So they're both pointing the finger at each other.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean he's saying that he didn't really
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: have this elaborate affair with this woman, even though she
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: moved in and they were like they were exchanging you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: letters about what they were going to name their future children, right,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: but he claims that was just they're both.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Pointing finger at each other as far as this crime goes.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she's saying he's the mastermind and that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: he wanted to get rid of his wife.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Think about this. They're both willing to kill.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Both of them, right, eight people, right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So they could live happily ever after. But they're not.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: But they're willing to throw each other under the bus
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: too to not go.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: To jail exactly. Yeah. But here's the thing. She took
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a plea deal. She got manslaughter. She hasn't been sentenced yet.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling for manslaughter. What's she going to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: get fifteen to twenty years or something, no idea, that's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: what my guess would be. And then she'll be out
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in half that time, probably seven eight years. Yeah, she's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: twenty something. She's going to go on with her life
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and then this guy's going to spend the rest of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: his life in jail, as he should. But the fact
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that she was able to plea take a plea deal
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: but bugs me.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You think she should be punished just the same as him.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Well I do, I mean she's an adult.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know they conspired together. Yeah, both had
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the evil thoughts and planned.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And she was perfectly content moving right into her life
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and being the mother to that child. Yeah, and putting
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: her own photos in the photo frames. And you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: if the police did not intervene and they just took
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the story as those two presented it, they would have
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: just lived happily ever after, and you know, rode off
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: into the cunshine until they got mad at each other
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and somebody turned on somebody at some point.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Well, until they had their future children together and he
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: needed another pair.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From Brazil twenty one. You know, I posted that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: clip of me talking about how I would just never
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: hire a young a pair just because I and I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: trust you one hundred percent. But I do, But I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: just I do one hundred percent. But I just think
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: having a young situation in the house, yeah, don't create
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It's just not something that as a white.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Have heroin in the pantry. Yeah, I mean you know
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I don't have it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You're not going to use it, Yeah, exactly, so right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I see why we don't have hair. That's why we
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: don't have heroin in the pantry. Yeah. I've never done heroin,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: but thank you for bringing that out. We don't store
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it in the pantry, right, all right, let's move on.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder about your analogy.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Sometimes coke, marijuana, same.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Thing anyway, But a lot of people DMed me and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: agreed and just said I would never have a young
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: pair in the house just because why would you put
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a situation out there that could lead to trouble at
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: some point?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You know, why, why do you even like false accusations?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we don't have a hot young
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: pool boy. You have to think about it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what the pool boy looks like
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: because he's not young and hot, so I don't care.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, for those not paying it, let's move on to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Gabby Patito. Gabby Patito was an episode we did long time,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: maybe a year ago or so. We're moving to Utah
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: now if.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: You haven't had Virginia, now we're into Utah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, now we're in Utah. We're all over the United States.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I liked the episode on Gabby Patito. If you haven't
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: listened to it, I would suggest going back and listening
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to it. Not only do we talk about the crime,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but I felt like there were a lot of parenting
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: issues in the Gabby Patito case that as parents we
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: kind of took a dive into, especially when she was
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: pulled over in Moab. Whenever we talked about that and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: when the police the police.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I don't remember all the details, but we had we
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: had thoughts about like, why aren't the parents like reaching
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: out to help or provide support or what.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I just right, and I know, and I also
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: was bothered by the police, which we're going to get
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: into is when she was pulled over in Moab because
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: there was someone that saw him hitting her on the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: side of the road. They called the police, The police
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: pulled them over. She clearly has markings on her face.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: She was more emotional. She was emotional crying.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Right, And they end up basically determining that she's the aggressor,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: even though she's this tiny, you know, one hundred pounds
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: someone No, and I think she did, but I'm saying.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: My point is.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Who's really in threat physical.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Threats exactly, That is my point. I don't care if
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: she hit him back or whatever. But the police had
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: a record. They had a record of someone calling saying
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that they saw her being slapped on the side of
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the road. They pulled them over. She clearly has markings
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: on her face, she's visibly upset. And the fact that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: someone didn't just take the time to call this girl's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: mom or dad and give them a heads up or
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: have her call while they stood there.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And listen are in Some says, don't they separate them,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: like if there's a domestic issue? Yeah, they separated for
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: six hours, eight hours.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Well they did separate them in this Remember they gave
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: him the van and let him go on. They took
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: her to the hotel. Yeah, oh yeah, all right, oh well,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: all right. The families about that they should have reached
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But she's an adult. Why, I don't know. That's what
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: we're going to get into. So the family of Gabby
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Petito will present their legal challenge against the Moab Police
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Department before the Utah Supreme Court, according to an announcement
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: from their attorneys. Their attorneys are Perker and Maconkey. Oral
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: arguments are scheduled for March fourth, so I definitely want
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to follow that. The case centers on the family's appeal
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of a wrongful death lawsuit that was dismissed in nov.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Of twenty twenty four under Utah's governmental immunity laws. The
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Potito family argues that law enforcement failures contributed to Gabby's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: death and maintains that proper police action could have prevented it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: In a statement, the law firm said the Potito family
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and their legal team remained steadfast and their pursuit of
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: justice for Gabby and in seeking clarity from the Utah
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court regarding municipal liability and the constitutional right to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: recover for wrongful death. So you know, they filed a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: wrongful death suit against the Moab Police Department, basically saying
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: they were negligent, they didn't have proper training, they didn't
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: handle the situation correctly. And I said all along, Gabby
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Patito could still be alive if there was some type
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of intervention done at that And that was the pivotal moment,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: when if someone called her parents, if a parent intervened,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and this is what we talked about with you, I said, Shelby,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: your daughter is twenty something. If she's on a road
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: trip with a boyfriend and she calls you and she's upset,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: or the police call and say, hey, we pulled over
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: your daughter with her boyfriend. It looks like there's been
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: some physical altercations going on. She's visibly upset, she's crying,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: she's got markings on her face.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: What would you do, Well, I would think, I would.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I'd want to talk to her and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: probably go out there or do something, do something to
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: pull her out of this situation.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever that was, Well, I'll tell you what I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: would do.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I would I'd be livid and I get in my
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: car and I would find I would be there immediately.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm more reactive than you are. But clearly see
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the difference. It was me.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It was like, well, I will assess the situation now,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I will see what my options are, and I will
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: pull her from from the circumstances. And you are I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: will be livid, I will get my car or erace there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and I will kill people.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So the lower court dismissed the case, the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: wrongful death suit, basically claiming that the police department has immunity.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So what the Supreme Court of Utah has done is
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: they are now saying, we are going to listen to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the case and maybe make some definitive rulings as far
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: as immunity, whether there was negligence, whether they owed some type.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Of due of course going forward right as to what
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: measures the police department should take circumstances like that was
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: they did, what they did was fine, or whether they should
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: do something more.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly, So, this lawsuit stems from a twenty twenty one
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: encounter we did talk about this, but between Potito and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend, Brian Laundry, after a witness reported seeing Laundry
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: striking a woman. This is on the side of the road.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: When officers stopped the couple's van, they concluded that Potito
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was the primary aggressor, and they separated the pair for
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the night. A police report described the incident as more
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: accurately a mental emotional health break than a domestic assault.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, she's got markings on her face.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I saw photos of her face. I don't know. I mean,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I understand mental break because she was crying, visibly upset,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and she was having an anxiety attack, but I don't know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Attorneys for the Potito family argue that officers failed to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: recognize warning signs of domestic violence and deliberately searched for
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: loopholes to avoid taking enforcement action. A later review found
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that the responding officers made several unintentional mistakes and recommended
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: additional training and software improvements within the department. I understand
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: it is accurate to say unintentional mistakes because I don't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: think any of those officers were maliciouserately. No. I think
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they saw two young kids that were on a road
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: trip that were fighting, and they were upset, and both
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: of them had marks on their face, and they separated her.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: The fact that she was murdered, I don't very shortly
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: after this incident, I'm sure they all have to sleep
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: with that, do you know what I mean? I mean
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they all have to carry the weight of that. Potito's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: body was discovered more than a month later in Bridger
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Titan National Force, and her death was ruled a homicide
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: by strangulation. Laundry later admitted responsibility in a written confession
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: before returning to Florida, where he died by suicide. The
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Potito family previously had reached a three million dollars settlement
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: with Laundry's parents and a separate lawsuit alleging that they
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: helped their son evade law enforcement after Gabby's death. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: couldn't stand his parents either when I watched the documentary.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were awful, awful, awful people. But anyway,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that's where we're at with Petito. It is that wrongful
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: desk suiting in some Moab police department is going forward,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: going to the Supreme Court in March, and that'll be
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens and what their rulings are
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: on that, and hopefully it defines things more clearly and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: maybe add some type of training and domestic situations like
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that so the police officers can respond better and can
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: handle the situation better and keep people safer. So that's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: what my hopes would be out of that. All right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: let's move on.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: To another update.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: We are now in Ohio, my home state of Ohio.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: So we talked pre in our last episode about the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Ohio dentist murder. Now your question is what does he
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: do for a living?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's a nurse, he's a dadist.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, So nearly eight years after divorcing her
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: first husband, Monique Teppe was still dealing with lingering conflict
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: tied to the relationship. This is according to a probable
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: cause affidavit that was obtained by People magazine. Just weeks
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: before Monique and her husband and the husband's name was
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Spencer Teppe, were found dead in their Columbus, Ohio home.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: She reportedly became distressed during a trip with friends because
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of an issue involving her ex husband, Michael McKee. The
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: affidavit describes an incident on December sixth, when Monique and
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Spencer were traveling with friends to Indiana to attend the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship game, about a week before their fifth
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: wedding anniversary. During the game, Monique abruptly said she needed
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: to return to her hotel room, without explaining why. Later,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: her friends told investigators that Spencer said Monique was upset
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: about something involving her ex husband. Around the same time,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: authorities alleged that McKee, this is the ex husband, was
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: recorded on surveillance footage trespassing on the Tepees property back
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in Columbus. Police say he remained on the property for
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: several hours before leaving. It remains unclear whether Moniqu or
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Spencer knew about the incident at the time. The affidavit
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: also outlines a pattern of alleged threats made by McKee
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: over the years. One friend told police that McKee once
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: said Monique would always be his wife and claimed he
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: would buy the house next door if she ever left him.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Investigator's alleged McKee drove more than four hundred miles from
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Illinois to the Teppe's home on December sixth, though it
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: is unknown whether he knew the family was away. The
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: same silver suv used during that trip was later captured
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: on neighborhood cameras returning to the area in the early
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: mornings of December thirtieth, shortly before Monique and Spencer were killed.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So that's just a little background on it. We do
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: we go more in depth in that case in the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: last episode if you haven't listened to that, But there
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: there's some updates on this because a lawyer has come
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: out and talked about the McKie the ex husband. Remember
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: we talked about why the ex husband would be so
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: obsessed with her because they were married for a very
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: short amount of time, they didn't have children to gather
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: passed right, and I think like tenn a lot of distance.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: They're far away from each.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Other, geographically far away from each other. So it didn't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: make sense why he was so triggered to drive all
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: those miles and murder when.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: He did in the middle of the night five years later,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: when he did.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: What he did right, So a Nevada lawyer.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Was she thought she dodged a bullet by getting out early,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: because didn't they divorce really quickly? They did.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of red flags in
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the relationship, and she was pretty smart to move on,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and they didn't have children together, and I think she
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: even didn't he take she even gave him the house.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: She was like take it, of course. I'm just I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: out of here. So a Navada lawyer came forward and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: claims that he tried to track down the doctor. This
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is the ex husband doctor months before the TEPI murder
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: took place. ABC six Investigates reports that nearly a dozen
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: attempts to serve doctor Michael McKee with a Nevada based
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: malpractice lawsuit failed due impart to false contact information and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: dead end leads. So I read that he had a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: malpractice suit that was filed against him. They were trying
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to serve him, and that he had given false addresses
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that don't even exist, and they had made several attempts
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to try to serve this guy and contact this guy.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So clearly, not only is he a murderer, but the guy,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: The guy's shady.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: He's is shady, He's always been shady. I just don't
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: understand how someone like that gets through like med school
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and then does a residency and passes their boards and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: does surgery on people.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: The other way to look at it is, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: someone like that can get through med school. No problem
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: makes me question med school.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: It does. The lawsuit filed by a Las Vegas attorney
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: named Dan Laird, alleges that McKee failed to properly train
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: a physician's assistant who injured a patient at the Las
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Vegas Surgical Associates. This is back in twenty twenty three.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Laird this is the attorney said that efforts to locate
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: McKee were obstructed by inaccurate addresses and questionable phone records. Interestingly,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the address that was given to us by the surgery
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: group that he worked for turned out to be a
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: fake address. It was an address that doesn't exist, Like
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: He doesn't even give addresses that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Are like like a real fake address, like a real
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: fake address.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: He just makes up fake addresses. They don't even exist.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: They're not even on a map.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna lie, go all the way right.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Records show at least nine documented attempts to track McKee down.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: One phone number tied to a state medical board reportedly
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: routed to a fax machine and outre which to former colleagues,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: produced no useful information. McKee's Nevada medical license expired last summer.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I know it wasn't renewed and layered. This is the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: attorney that's trying to serve him, noted that it is
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: unusual for a surgeon to cut off professional contact, explaining
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: they tend to be highly responsible for They're not the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: kind of people who just disappear suddenly. And this was
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: very surprising to us. You know, I bet it was surprising.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I bet when they do try to serve doctors for
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: math practice suits, they can usually find them. Right, But
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: this guy's got fake addresses. His phone number goes to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a fax machine.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Surgeon, that's true, right.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's impersonating, I don't know. Although McKee's active license
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: was later traced to Rockford, Illinois. Repeated calls went unanswered,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and the attorney claims said that he was unaware of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: McKee's later arrest in connection with the killings of his
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: ex wife and her husband until ABC six contacted him. Shocking,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: he said, adding if you listed out the people who
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: would likely be accused of committing a double homicide of
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: fully trained vascular surgeon, would be at the bottom of
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: my list. I said the same thing.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: The attorney's probably like, I'm glad I didn't have to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: go up against him. It doesn't make I'm glad he
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Isn't that my contact info?
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Right? Laird also expressed concern that no malpractice attorney had
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: reached out on McKee's behalf, which could suggest insurance coverage
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: had lapsed, something he described as unusual given the risk
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of future claims.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Even more striking would be someone reading this article be like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: holy crap, that was my surgeon.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, and.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: You get a second opinion. I need to follow up
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: visits with the real doctor.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Doctor McKee. In October, a judge approof service by newspaper
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: notice after determining due diligence had been met as step
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that Laird's only had to take twice in his twelve
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: year legal career, So he's only had to serve someone
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: by uh newspaper notice twice. Yeah, isn't it crazy that?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I mean that is that they do allow that you
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: have to go before a judge and say that you've
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: tried to serve someone and you have to show that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you don't due diligence in order to do service by newspaper.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But you can because there's once you get to that
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: point where you've tried to serve someone over and over
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and over and you can't find them, you can't locate
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: where they are.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: They do that once. You had to publish it in Utah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: You don't remember, Oh it was the adoption case.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was not that one. It was
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: another one.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It was? It was the late that I want to
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: get a divorced. You couldn't find the guy. It was
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a truck driver. It was gone all the time. It
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: was evasive. Oh yeah, so I had to publish it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I think I had to do something else like the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Utah Court required, like something on a website too, or something.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I had to do a handful of ww dot.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I can't serve you, so to publish here dot com.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah, so anyway, Yeah, it was weird
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: because it felt like useless. Plus I'm like, this guy's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a truck driver. He's all over the country. We can't
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: find him. Yeah, put him in this local paper. Yeah,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that'll be fair notice.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, that's because when you get to the end
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of the line, you've tried to serve someone so many times.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: You it's an old school method.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like the lay added the website though
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you said you had to publish on a website.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was. It's been a while,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: That's when we lived in Utah and we're practicing attorneys
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: in Utah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Now the adoption case you're thinking of, yeah, I had
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to give adequate notice to the absentee.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Father right before you could before.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Someone else could take his parental rights.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right, the last update we're going to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: move on to, which I'm actually so sick of these people,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: but we're going to do it anyway because everybody's talking
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Oh is it what's his name, Baldoni?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: You got to say, right, I'm not sick of him.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sick of this case, I'm sick of Blake lives because.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I want Blake Lively to just settle, like I just
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: want I just want her to say, you know what,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: let's move on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: It's done, is done.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It's the movie. We made the movie. It is what
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: it is, like, let's just move on with our life.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Court filings describe as series. So what happened was the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: judge unsealed a bunch of documents that obviously came through discovery.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Just because, just for the public's view, probably so.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Court filings describe a series of private messages involving Blake
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Lively and Taylor Swift that reveal behind the scenes tensions
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: and shifting dynamics in their relationship. In texts referenced in
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the filings, Lively reportedly referred to Baldoni as the quote
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: dufus director of my movie end quote, prompting Swift to
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: respond supportively, I'll do anything for you. After a tense
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: discussion about proposed script changes. Lively later praise Swift as
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the absolute greatest friend ever. You know what's interesting about
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: this is you get to see first of all, obviously
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: these text messages were received through discovery. Yeah, so I
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: wonder if it was Taylor Swift that turned over all
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the text message.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Did they get it from? Yeah, well they might have
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: gotten it from the carrier. Now, oh well, I don't
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: know this. Ryle, Ryan Reynolds and Blake they used Mint.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Isn't that his thing?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And Ben would be like, we didn't see a subpoena. No,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if so you think the text
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: messages came directly from the carrier. No, I don't know.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I just questioned that too, if.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if the text messages came directly from
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift because she received a subpoena, and I'm sure
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the subpoena was all text messages between you and uh
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Blake Lively between these dates and then she had to
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: turn them all.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: The images of the phone of the text messages we
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: could see, we'd see who's blue or I guess Mint
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: would be green. I don't know Mint is meant blue.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: That's just an iPhone thing.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Do people use Mint? I've never heard. I mean, I
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: don't hear people. I know people. I just always hear
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: people use AT and T.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: T Mobile or Spirit in your little.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Bubble and my my, my peasant bubbles of four friends.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Oh thank you, I have more than four friends. Ahead
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of the New York Times report detailing Lively's allegations in
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty four, Swift sent a sharper remark quote,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I think this bitch Baldoni in quotation, it's Baldoni knows
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: something it's coming because he's gotten out his tiny violin.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: This was Swift saying this, my god, about to Blake
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Lively about Baldoni, even though she doesn't even know the man.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I know she's like inserting herself.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess maybe she was present during that altercation
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: they had, and Blake Lively's talking crappy about Ryan Reynolds's not.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Helping the situation. She's his name calling right right. That's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: like a housewife move. I know these are like, these.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Are like house This is what I keep thinking of.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is why billionaire housewise.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: This is why I will tell you when I text
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the other women on the show. Yeah, before I hit send,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I always know this is I do this every time
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I think before I hit not with Gina, I'll say
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: whatever if Gina, if Gina and my text get released,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: We're I'm just gonna move to Paris, just live there.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: But when I text the majority of the women before
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I hit send, I look at it and I think.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Am I okay with this? Do?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Am I all right? If this gets screenshot and brought
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: up or published. And every time I go, yep, I'm
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: fine with it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: You've never once had to go back and delete.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: No, I always hit send. I even ask the question,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: well sometimes, well maybe sometimes I alter.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you know there's those third party like applications that
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: people you use if they're co parenting, they can't get along.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Because doc you're talking about was like.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Talking parents I think is another one, but it just
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: documents everything, so it's like you can't say I didn't
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: see it, blah blah blah. But one thing it will
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: do is when you type on there, it will tell
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you it'll like raise a red flag. This sounds aggressive.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we think this word yeah, because sometimes it'll
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: be like, you know, like I've done it right, because
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I had to use it once and it wouldn't be
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: anything aggressive, but it would come off aggressive, like well,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: how is it not aggressive?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: But it comes off aggressive?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it could be like you know, sorry, I'm let
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: my engine bullow up it's like this seesus like you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: a threat or something, and so it's like, you know,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: this comes off aggressive or it'll have different adjectives. You
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: ladies could use that.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Oh you think we should all talk through our family
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Wizard because get a little help. Yeah, we need like
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: some filtering. It's not me personally, but other people. Other
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: people need some type of filtering system, maybe even before
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: posting on Instagram, Like they need like an our family
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Wizard for Instagram.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: And we need our family Wizard for Shane and Emily.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, like I that I have to talk
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: in it first. And then it's like that sounds too aggressive?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly what would be saying a lot less stressed
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: every day?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I don't stress you all, all right. The filings also
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: outlined a period of strain between Swift and Lively after
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift suggested that Lively's messages to her had begun
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: to feel like a mass corporate email. Lively later reached
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: out in an effort to repair the relationship, sending messages.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: On December fourth, twenty twenty four, She says to Taylor,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I have no reason to ask, but I didn't know.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I've been feeling like I should is everything okay, Lively wrote,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like a bad friend lately because I was
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: such a sad sack who only talked about my own
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: for months. You were generous to not only be the
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: key person there for me during all of it, but
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: also to let me off the hook for being so
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: in it. I always want the opportunity to be a
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: better friend if there's something I unintentionally did. I know
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: how busy and text you are physically emotionally. I can't
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: even read this without like.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This is from this is Lively.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Lively to Taylor Swift practically, so I don't expect any
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: more from you ever. Swift replied by acknowledging some distance
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: while downplaying the severity of the situation. She says, I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: think I'm just exhausted in every avenue of my life,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and in recent months have been feeling a little bit
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: of a shift in the way you talk to me.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: She wrote, Yes, there has been a lot of justin stuff,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: but I've been through things like this before, and I
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: know how all consuming it is. Basically what I've read
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: recent friend famous No, but I don't think they're friends anymore.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I think they've really had a falling out, right, Well,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: she was trying to repair the relationship then, but I
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: don't think they are. And I'll tell you, well, probably not,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: because Swift is you know, she's exhausted in every aspect
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: of her life right now. Well she is, and she's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: getting married. She has bigger things to think about than
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: this stupid case. Yes, so, but I would say, this
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: is this is something that would be friendship ending because
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: if I found myself involved in someone else's lawsuit, I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: feel like I would be like Taylor Swift, and I'd
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: be supportive at first because this is my friend, right,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Just like emotional lawsuit too. Right, It's not like can
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: you testify that that I didn't run the red light
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: and he did? You know?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Right? But I guess my point is I would be
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on board at first because this is my friend, So
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm sorry you're going through this. But
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: then I mean, this has been a year and now
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: my text, private text messages, I'm getting subpoenaed, My private
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: text messages are getting put out there. People are now
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: judging me and saying terrible things about me because I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: was being supportive of her even though I didn't really
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: know the full story, I would be I don't see
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: how you repair a friendship after something like that. That's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: just friendship ending, if you ask me so. I doubt
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that they have much of a friendship at all, at
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: least I've read that they're not friendly.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a long line of people will be
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swiss friends.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Would you like to be Taylor Swiss friends?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: No?
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Not one of them? No you're not. It's Swiftie.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: All right. One last thing in this Baldoni justin Blake
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Lively Taylor Swift saga. Ryan Reynold slams quote dumb dumb
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Baldoni and texts to his agent.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: He calls him dumb dumb.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I guess so this is a text that Ryan Reynolds
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: sent to his agent. I'm super frustrated because this is
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a moment in which Blake should be celebrating. She made
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: this unbelievable win happen. She made this a win for
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Sony and by proxy, Wayfarer. She effing refused to give
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: up on the film. She didn't sleep, She missed countless
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: moments with her kids while sitting in edit rooms, scraping
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and frame more fwords dailies for every square inch of quality.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: She slammed together a recipe for success despite working with
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: ingredients she wasn't even able to choose. All this while
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: masterminding a world class marketing and promo plan for a
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: movie that's punching so far above its weight. I've lost
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: descriptors to even describe what's happening.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: That's enough. Who's he saying this to?
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: She willed this weekend into reality, Baldoni and these other
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: buckets of dumb dumb juice.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I like how he cusses like a sailor, but then
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: he's like, dumb dumb juice.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: No, he says that for like ten times, but then
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: he calls them dumb dumb.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: That was like auto correct or something, and that was
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: something worse.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: And now he's just like, Okay, I feel like I
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: need to use the term dumb dumb juice, dum juice,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: dumb dumb juice. I'm gonna have to use that at
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: some point.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: All right, that'll show them dumb dumb juice.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Right now, I lost my place. Okay, wait, who's this too?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: This is Ryan Reynolds to his agent, but he's complaining
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: about dumb dumb juice, right, and and well, I do
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: love how hard he's going for his wife. I mean
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he's just made her like she's just oh, I mean
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: she made the movie, she directed, she did everything. Basically,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: he's saying, like no one else.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: He's their number one fan.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should be jumping in front of it in
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the most in the most full throated, unqualified way.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I take him back. I always took him backing her
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: up and trying to prop her up. Yeah, you know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: helping her, pushing her in front of the line and
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: all that stuff was really for him, like like it's
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: our image. We are a power couple.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: It's not like just for her.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: They should be protecting b They can and should accept
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: the consequences of their actions and lean into the countless
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and willfully gross behavior before it leans into them. They
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: made a big effing mess, Blake, under no circumstances should
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: be asked to clean up this sloppy, cliched storm. If
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: they are made of anything resembling the humanity or dignity
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: or capacity for growth that they project on their faux
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: menaced whole of a podcast, they'd be really lea sing
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: a statement saying something like and then that's all I have. Wow,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know he I you know, I used to
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: like Ryan Reynolds and I thought he was funny. And
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: then now that this case has taken a deeper dive
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: into his.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Personality acting and not think about this stuff.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Now I just find him to be such an egotistical,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: narcissistic like her. Well, you know, I liked Blake Lively
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: from a very pragmatic I liked her movies. I mean
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I the first time I ever saw her was in
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants that movie. You know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I liked her as an actress in a movie, and
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I liked.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Problem with her No, but then I had a problem
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: with her.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a problem with her because when I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: started to dig in this case back in December twenty
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: twenty four, when she filed against him and I pulled
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: it was over a year ago, a year and two
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: months ago, when I pulled all the legal documents and
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: read everything, and read his response and then his suit
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: initially against her in New York Times and everything. You know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: when they did so many shady things that the media
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't even remember. They don't because the media is clearly
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: on the Blake Lively, you know, Ryan Reynolds train because
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: remember they even formed a fake company called van ZANDT.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: And then that's how they got all the text messages
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: with a you know, like a with a subpoena. They
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: got all those messages from the publicist. Then they colluded
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: with The New York Times to drop that article, and
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: then they attached Therd. Yeah they did. I mean they
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: It was there was so much premeditation and planning to
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: take him out and to ruin his reputation, and I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: just feel like it backfired. And I at the end
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: of the day, she had control of the movie. She
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: made the movie she wanted. She kicked him out of
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: the premiere. He was in the basement, Like, I don't
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: know why you keep why there's this continuation of punishing
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: this man, Like, let's just move on, let it go.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Dumb dumb juice, all right. Anyway, that is our episode
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: on updates.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Men, it's gonna say, dump that juice. Dumb dumb juice,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 59:09
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• 59:12
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• 59:30
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• 59:32
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