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The Mighty One... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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  Speaker 1: Okay, friends, welcome to the After Show podcast. It is Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Today is November sixth I'm justin welcome in. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: to everybody who's been reaching out. Not yet McCabe.
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  Speaker 2: Deserve an applause. Thank you for you.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to give you a big intro, but
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  Speaker 3: it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: McCabe is here a highly requested guest.
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  Speaker 2: Is that true people want me?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not making that up. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know Lynn, our listener, Lynn is messaging me.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but several other people because I've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: kind kind of new thing where you know, sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: talk myself.
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  Speaker 2: I know I listened almost every day.
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  Speaker 3: Really, Yes, you're my fucking hero.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but thank you everybody who's been leaving talkbacks. Give
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  Speaker 1: me some feedback. I'm really having fun with this. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a transition and everything, but I'm having fun.
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  Speaker 1: I love doing it and I love hearing from all
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 3: McCabe. We did have Santy on earlier this week.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I did not hear that.
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  Speaker 1: You got to listen to that one. That one's really
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  Speaker 1: good because you know he's a little weird.
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  Speaker 3: Go back, we go way back. Very hired me.
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  Speaker 2: Is that true. Have to listen.
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  Speaker 3: He hired it. I tell the whole story.
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  Speaker 4: Justin I just wanted to call and say that you've
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  Speaker 4: been doing an amazing job with the After Show. All
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  Speaker 4: of your special guests have been amazing. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how you did it, but you actually made Santi seem normal.
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  Speaker 4: He's a little strange on the jam and show, but
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  Speaker 4: it was good to see that side of him. Keep
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  Speaker 4: up the good work. You are awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, you are too. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: I like that Santi's brand is odd.
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  Speaker 1: He is an odd fellow, but in real life. He mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's the same off and on air, but he's actually
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  Speaker 1: a really, really smart I was gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Say he's like the most remarkably normal person who works here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a compliment, yeah, because there's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of normal people who work in this building.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of it goes back to his character from
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  Speaker 1: years ago, the crazy Kulo. He was the stunt guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he to do the crazy stuff. So yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: yesterday we had producer Riley was on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh she's back. I heard her first one. She did great.
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  Speaker 1: She came back again because a talkbacker wanted some behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes and what it takes to produce a morning show.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So I had her love the.
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  Speaker 5: Pause with Riley. Also, I'm laughing at you calling yourself
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  Speaker 5: a grandpa, and she says, you just kidded.
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  Speaker 6: Life lessons when.
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  Speaker 5: She's with you, and it's just funny how you went
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  Speaker 5: from living on the streets a drug addict to handing
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  Speaker 5: out life lessons. Look at you.
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  Speaker 1: Justin That is fascinating how that happens. Yeah, when Riley, Well, Riley,
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  Speaker 1: we drive together two events.
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  Speaker 2: Know you're going to say to work, No, I know
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  Speaker 2: you live close. How let you do that?
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  Speaker 3: I come in earlier. Oh that's right, I get it
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  Speaker 3: in there out four, So I leave my house at
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  Speaker 3: three twenty.
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  Speaker 2: That would be weird too. Write every day for forty
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  Speaker 2: five minutes. Yeah, you see her for a whole work day,
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  Speaker 2: that would be a little weird. I could do it, though.
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  Speaker 2: I had an uber driver the other day who we
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  Speaker 2: were going to a show. I got an uber from
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  Speaker 2: my house a ten minute Uber wasted money, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how. But we got talking about commutes and
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  Speaker 2: stuff and he was like, yeah, I used to work
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  Speaker 2: in Medford and the commute was really crazy. Back in
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  Speaker 2: the day. I was like, Oh, I work at Medford
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  Speaker 2: and it's not that bad now. And he lived in Boston.
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  Speaker 2: I live in Boston and I was like, he kept talking,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I worked at one Cabot Road.
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  Speaker 3: That's where we are.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, where did you work? And he worked
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  Speaker 2: at some office here and I was telling me he
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  Speaker 2: worked on the South Shore and he would carpool with
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  Speaker 2: people every day from work. I'm like, I could never
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  Speaker 2: do that. I love. I don't think I could be
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  Speaker 2: in a car with you for an hour and then
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  Speaker 2: be in the workplace for eight hours a day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the drive to work time is my quiet time.
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  Speaker 1: It's my meditation. I do have WBZ on just for
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  Speaker 1: the news. Yeah, I listened on the way in. But
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  Speaker 1: I like the quiet time. But when I'm with Riley
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  Speaker 1: in the car and I pick her up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she asked questions about life, about the career, her career,
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  Speaker 1: and we talk and yeah, she sees me as this
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  Speaker 1: like father figure, which makes me feel old.
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  Speaker 2: But Taylor Swift song on the album.
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  Speaker 3: I almost made that connection yesterday during the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the song's about, so I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if we want to make that because she was
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  Speaker 2: very big suggestive on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she was. Well, it was a play on George
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  Speaker 3: Michael's side, which I do like that song.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like it the original, yeah, obviously an original song. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but everyone, every gay person was excited because they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's gonna actually like remake that song or something. It
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  Speaker 2: was a bit of a letter nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I thought the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you for coming in, McCabe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 3: So many things I want to ask you about. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we'll start it. The first one. Can we talk about
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  Speaker 3: where you were born? Yeah, we could talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: You're adopted.
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  Speaker 5: I was.
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  Speaker 2: You know what would be really funny. It's like if
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  Speaker 2: we did a contest to guess where I was born,
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  Speaker 2: because nobody would get it. So now, if you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to this right now, yes, I want you to write
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  Speaker 2: down your guests or like, DM it to us. No,
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  Speaker 2: talk back, talk back it. That's right on it. Talk
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  Speaker 2: back mafia it to us right now, and then when
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  Speaker 2: we reveal it in two minutes. Okay, see if you
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  Speaker 2: got it right? Okay, No, they can't do that. It's
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  Speaker 2: pre recorded. Yeah, I know, but it's just listening throughout
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  Speaker 2: the thing. I can hear people.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they can play along. Yeah, okay, so we're not
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  Speaker 3: going to run the show.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you were born in another country, that's right,
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  Speaker 1: And can we say how old you are?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm twenty nine, twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Nine okay, so twenty nine years. Hold on, I'm good
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  Speaker 1: at math. Hold on, it's twenty five to twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. Whoa, that's when you were born.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're born in this other country, different country, yes,
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  Speaker 3: and you were in an orphanage.
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  Speaker 2: I was literally an orphanage, no idea. Wait. The story
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  Speaker 2: is that my parents were very young, like high school
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  Speaker 2: age kids, from a very prominent family in this city.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a big city in this country that's not America,
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  Speaker 2: but sizable, and the parents made the girl get rid
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  Speaker 2: of me and they didn't want to wow, but parents
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  Speaker 2: made her prominent family though. Yeah, so I could be
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  Speaker 2: an air. I could be an air to something. You
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  Speaker 2: could be an air to the country i'm from. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I want to be an air. I
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  Speaker 2: was going to make that joke, And the funniest part
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  Speaker 2: of that is that like I was born there. I
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  Speaker 2: was there as a one year old, and there's like
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  Speaker 2: horrible orphanage where they like fed as potatoes in the
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  Speaker 2: water that the potatoes were boiled in. It's not funny,
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  Speaker 2: like it was really Is that what your parents told you?
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  Speaker 2: It's yes, I've seen video of it. There's a video.
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  Speaker 2: I have a video. It's crazy, no way, yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: run down, like typical movie orphanage. And I was only
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  Speaker 2: there for a year, but was like like on my
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  Speaker 2: deathbed as a one year old because so malnourished. And
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  Speaker 2: my mom literally went from Connecticut where we were, where
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  Speaker 2: she's from, to the country which is.
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  Speaker 1: Very Fause so your parents are married and they want
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  Speaker 1: to have a child, they want to get a child,
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  Speaker 1: adopt a child, why do they choose that country?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was cheapest at the time. If you can,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people my age who came from
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  Speaker 2: this country at the time. So if you are around
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six, in that you might you might
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  Speaker 2: be able to know who it is. I will also
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  Speaker 2: say that in the Obama era, a sanction on this
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  Speaker 2: country was no more adoptions from it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh he shut it down. Yeah, so I'm a I'm
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  Speaker 3: a unicorn. That's can't get me anymore. So there's not
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  Speaker 3: even to this day, to this day, the sanctions are
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  Speaker 3: still I'm sure. Wow, Okay, you can't get a kid
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  Speaker 3: from there, So your parents go to this country. They
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  Speaker 3: go to They Now the internet really wasn't popular then,
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  Speaker 3: so they have to fly and pick you like a
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  Speaker 3: like a dog.
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  Speaker 2: They they did like video service. They would send videos
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  Speaker 2: and like papers and photos, and so they saw she
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  Speaker 2: went over one one time and did like a tour.
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  Speaker 2: She was picking between two. Oh, isn't that crazy? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I could have had a brother in air quotes,
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  Speaker 2: But what do you mean she could have adopted to
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  Speaker 2: take two? Oh, she wanted to adopt to but you
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  Speaker 2: know that costs money to adopt a kid in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money, even the cheap adoptions, right, So it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't in the budget.
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  Speaker 3: So she picked you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just why wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm picturing a baby McCabe, a little a little baby.
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  Speaker 2: Mcad thing, little ball of me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she they adopt you. They bring you to Connecticut,
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  Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, And where'd you grow up?
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  Speaker 2: Not in Connecticut, No, New York, Yeah, an upstate New
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  Speaker 2: York up nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the name of the town.
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  Speaker 2: If you know where Binghamton is, it's to the left
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  Speaker 2: of the a little bit like thirty miles to the left.
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  Speaker 2: And by left I mean west Okay country, New York,
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  Speaker 2: middle of now middle south of New York. Yeah, just
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  Speaker 2: crazy like okay, West Virginia feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it where Maddie in the Morning grew up to
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  Speaker 1: kind of I went to college, I should say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he went to college.
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  Speaker 2: I think in Oneana, Yeah, which is true, middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little closer to Pa but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so growing up with your parents, now, your parents
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  Speaker 1: adopted you at an older age.
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  Speaker 2: Were like my dad was like fifty something because he's
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  Speaker 2: in his eighties now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So at what age do they tell you that
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  Speaker 3: you're adopted.
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  Speaker 2: From the start? That's the thing I know. I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: imagine it any other way. Like I've known from day one,
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  Speaker 2: and I've always been fine with it because I'm lucky
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  Speaker 2: in that my parents. I don't really see the other
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  Speaker 2: people as parents because I didn't know them like they
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  Speaker 2: are biologically my parents. The people in that other country.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going searching for that I'm not going searching.
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  Speaker 2: I have you do the test, right, No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to know anything. Okay, and it's probably
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  Speaker 2: bad because I should know things for my health, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know genetic things, heart problems, things like that.
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  Speaker 1: I get you, okay. So you know you're adopted, You
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  Speaker 1: grow up in New York, you had a good childhood.
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  Speaker 2: Great amazing parents. That's I mean, that's part of the
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  Speaker 2: reason why I'm very happy with them. They're they're the best.
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  Speaker 2: They supported me and through all of it.
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  Speaker 3: And so now they're up there in age right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I go back there every couple weeks help
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  Speaker 2: them out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I should mention a lot of times when Billy
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  Speaker 1: plugs the mccabes coming up next, we'll say here and
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  Speaker 1: you're not here. That's a lot of times you are
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  Speaker 1: up in New York with your parents. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: health things going on, and you're there.
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  Speaker 6: You're the air exactly, you're their the heir to the
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  Speaker 6: family whatever that means.
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  Speaker 3: Are they on a farm. No, no farm.
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  Speaker 2: They're in the middle of nowhere, but no farm.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's fast forward now because this is so cool.
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  Speaker 1: So you get into radio as a young kid. You
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  Speaker 1: love radio, Yeah, is that true?
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  Speaker 2: Tiny little thing? Yeah, you loved it, So I know
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  Speaker 2: how it happened. There was a an online radio show.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember aol To dial up internet service? We
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  Speaker 2: have that growing up, and my parents got the kids
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  Speaker 2: version of it. They paid the extra like six ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine a month for it. And on the home page
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  Speaker 2: of kol kids online there's a radio show. This wacky
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  Speaker 2: British guy named Brick Adams, who I still mildly connected to,
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  Speaker 2: would host this two hour radio show after school and
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  Speaker 2: there's a camera in the studio. I thought that was
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  Speaker 2: so fucking cool, like him hitting the buttons and shit,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I got to do that. I
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  Speaker 2: was literally like nine years old, so I like, I
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  Speaker 2: would like set up a fake studio in my room.
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  Speaker 2: And then eventually there were these there's a chat room
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  Speaker 2: like on the stream, and I connected with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of them and we started doing like online radio. And
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  Speaker 2: then I'd call the local night show and in my
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  Speaker 2: market every day annoy them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you used to call the radio station and say
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  Speaker 1: you wanted a job, and then eventually they gave you
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  Speaker 1: a job.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Eventually I got both of the pop stations in
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  Speaker 2: my hometown to be like, yeah, we want to hire you,
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  Speaker 2: but you're eleven years old. Oh my god, not eleven.
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  Speaker 2: I'm exaggerating, but no, I'd so to fast forward a
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  Speaker 2: tiny bit. The first job I got I interviewed for
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  Speaker 2: I think when I was fifteen, I couldn't work yet.
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  Speaker 2: I had to like wait a year, it'd be sixteen
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  Speaker 2: to worry. Yeah, to get my real like working papers.
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  Speaker 2: You could do farm work if you were fourteen, and
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  Speaker 2: you can risk your life, yeah, exactly, like a radio station.
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  Speaker 2: And my mom not only brought me, drove me to
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  Speaker 2: the interview with the GM and the OM of the market,
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  Speaker 2: but the GM made her sit in on the inter Well.
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  Speaker 3: You were a minor, yeah yeah, And the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole thing was like at the end of the year,
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  Speaker 2: you can you can do this because you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be old enough. But the GM was this old marine,
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  Speaker 2: scary guy from Arkansas. He could always scream all the time.
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  Speaker 2: He was the best. Sometimes is transition so old there
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  Speaker 2: it is? Yeah, yeah, he doesn't work there anymore. But
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  Speaker 2: he like looked me and my mother in the eye
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  Speaker 2: and said if her grade gold down one little but
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  Speaker 2: out of here, that's what he sounded.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, so they hired you to do what.
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  Speaker 2: My first job was running the NASCAR races on the
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  Speaker 2: classic rock station on the board. Yes, so the the
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  Speaker 2: Motor Racing Network would say we're going to break for
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  Speaker 2: top of hour and then I would hit the button
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  Speaker 2: and they would say we're me go to commercials and
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  Speaker 2: I would hit the button.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I did that for like six hours a day. If
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  Speaker 2: there was like a rain delay or some shit, it'd
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  Speaker 2: be longer. And this is why I love my parents
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  Speaker 2: to death and I'll do anything for them. I still
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  Speaker 2: couldn't drive when I started because I couldn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a license. Yeah, my dad wouldn't drive me to
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  Speaker 2: the job and then sit there with me.
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  Speaker 3: He would.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd sit there in the Classic Rock.
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  Speaker 3: Sport studio supportive parents.
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  Speaker 2: It's insane. Yeah, well paid NASCAR, like all loved NASCAR fans,
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  Speaker 2: but it's so boring on the radio's listening to.
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  Speaker 3: That, Oh my god. But out there it was huge because.
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  Speaker 2: We had Watkins Glen like it's a massive like it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the big race tracks.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I heard of this a road track.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only road track I think so racing fans
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  Speaker 2: love it.
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  Speaker 3: How much were you being paid? Do you remember? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: It was state minimum wage as it still isn't most
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  Speaker 2: radio stations for that job. Yeah, so what it was like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to say six twenty five? Yeah, maybe seven
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  Speaker 2: to twenty five maybe seven, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That makes it.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the case through most of my career,
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  Speaker 2: and like came to iHeart actually like everything was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a thought when you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the AOL. I had never heard of KOL. We had
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  Speaker 1: AOL when I was a kid, teenager, and my parents
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  Speaker 1: probably should have had that because I was dialing up
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  Speaker 1: and going on the internet and downloading.
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  Speaker 6: Porn and I mean I was doing that too, to
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  Speaker 6: be very clear. Yeah, you could just go to Internet
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  Speaker 6: Explorer and go to Google bu yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then infect your your parents' computer was exactly. It
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  Speaker 1: was spyware and all that stuff. Okay, okay. So then
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  Speaker 1: you go to college, you do radio and college where
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  Speaker 1: do you go to college?
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: I went to Elmira College. It was I took I
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: did radio all throughout the last couple of years, all
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: through high school and at the end of my senior year,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: the night guy on the Pop station got another dui.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: It was like the last straw.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: It happens.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: And then they called me during the school play. I
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: was running and they said, how fast can you be
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: at the radio station. I said, I'll be right there,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: and then I started doing nights about like the last
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: few months of my senior year of high school. I
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: was going to college in Princeton, New Jersey. Not at Princeton.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: There's a college called Rider that I was going to,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Can't have a lot. Do you able to just not
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: give that correction?
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I went to Princeton in Princeton, Yeah, but I canceled
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: that and went to the school that was just in
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: the in my hometown.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Do you have any of this audio of you calling
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: in as a kid?
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I have a whole entire audio file, serious, every single
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: point in my life.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Will you bring that back when you come on the
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: after show so people can hear it.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I've never played it for anyone, really, Yeah, it's really
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: it's also like fifteen minutes long. I've been doing this
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: for a while now.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean just a little bit of a sample.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it'd be really funny to reveal that at
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: some point.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, and when are you going to reveal the country
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: that you were born in?
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: You want to do it now?
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Because I have like a joke, you know, I know, yeah,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I have a joke lined up for when you said
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: where it was.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about it last night. I have a joke.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeh. Well, here's the big reveal.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: I was born in Russia.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Born in Russia, and if you weren't adopted by your
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: lovely parents, you could be in Ukraine fighting right now.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: That's not a joke. That's true.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I know, well I shouldn't have said joke, but that's
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: a true statement.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things that I
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: would probably be experiencing that are bad.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Listen to a podcast recently and this guy was explaining
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the difference between American military and other countries like Russia
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and North Korea and China. And one advantage, if you
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: will use that word, that they have is the control,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the mind control over their people in their military. For example,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: when Russia invaded Ukraine, Okay, there was a pilot, now,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: very educated man, well educated pilot, and they told him
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: that he was going to fly into Ukraine and when
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: he got there, the Ukrainians were going to be ready
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to go, and they were going to surrender because they
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: were going to be happy that Russia was coming in
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and taking over. And so this, yeah, he's no idea.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: So this pilot, he's excited to do this, excited. You
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: know what he brought with him. He packed his bag
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to go. He brought fifty condoms because he had it
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: in his mind that there would be at least fifty
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian women that will be so.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Happyful and thankful.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, I'm throwing myself at you think us.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, And so then he got there and obviously it's
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: been a different story. I mean, how long has the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: war been going on forever? Yes, point, So that could
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: have been you, not the pilot, but somebody that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I think I would be a pilot. I think it'd
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: be great, that'd be sick. You have literally take over
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: for Romeo again.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, Romeo used to work on Kiss Now Jeff Blue
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: pilot pilot. Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure because I I'm doing it and I'm
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: not you, I'm sure you have thought.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: About the what ifs? Oh yeah, all the time, Like
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: what would you be doing?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Even know, I imagine, like I think everything is in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: life is kind of half fate based and half you
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: know your your willpower and you control it. So I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: kind of imagine I would maybe be in media. I'm
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: kind because I can't shut up and I just love music.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: You're very smart. We call you the doogie howser of radio.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I guess I am. But so I imagine maybe i'd
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: be like on a state propaganda show.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: You okay, okay, with Glad. You were Glad.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I joke that I kind of look like him, like
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: a little mildly like pudgier version of him.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, I could, Well, he has a shaved head, so
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it's hard to picture, but I could see that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Back okay, back to the radio. Just to fast forward here.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You get through college, you start working in radio, you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: work your way up from on air to off air
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: program director.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: You, I know, you have several stops all you really
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: have literally.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: All Like I was in Elmira back then, I was
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: even like the cluster engineer.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: So from my point of view, when I met McCabe,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you were working. You became the program director of New
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Hampshire Portsmouth.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: See when I was seven, it's it's still on. I
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: actually still work with the station.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: You do.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you work like a national level.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: How many stations do you work with nationally?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Oh? Work with like all of the pop stations. Yeah,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: in some way fifty. Oh, there's like eighty five pop
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: stations or more. There might be a one hundred or so.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So mcay's a big deal, not just hair a Kiss,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: but also nationally. He's doing all this other things. But
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: when I first met you, Dylan, our boss is your boss?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: You work with Dylan.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: He said to me, there's this kid coming in that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is going to replace me one day. He said something
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: like that, And I go, can we tell him that?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Now? Yeah?
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I know what?
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: When?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: When's what? What? One day?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And so he didn't say kid.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I think because I thought you were a man, not
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that you are not a man, but I thought you
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: were ill you.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Were started there at like maybe I think twenty one.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe. Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So here's this guy coming in that's gonna replace Dylan,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: supposed to be this brilliant radio mind.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And there's this little dwee maybe you walk in And
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I remember I said to I don't know who it was.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I go, what is is this a joke? Like? Who
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: is this is a.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Very different person? Back then too, like I was still
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: finding myself.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, every way, yeah, like.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Every single way. Yeah, my favorite. I remember it every day.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I think Whennie said it on this podcast. The first
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: time I met her was at a jingle Ball, like
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: maybe twenty seventeen or eighteen, and she she was always
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: saying to me. I turned to Justin, I was like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: who the fuck is this little nerd?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, I think she'd gave the.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Pictures from that from that jingle Ball and I'm like,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: who the fuck was that little nerse?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, so funny. So then you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: were then you got promoted to Baltimore. Yeah, right, you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: were program directed and I went down and ran our
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: pop station there and then they fired you.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Then they fired on election Day twenty twenty, twenty twenty. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I was at a cabin in the woods. Every year
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I try to do like a disconnect trip, and I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: would always do it November when I was down there,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: because it was nice, like you'd go out in the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: woods and hike and disconnect for a while by yourself,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: by myself. Psychopath, I know, but you should try it,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: not so much.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Do you bring your phone? Yes? You bring your phone, yes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: just in case a bear attacks exactly.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, I got I got laid off
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: during COVID most people did. But yeah, that happened, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I went away and I like, wut off my phone?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: What did you do? Like how long before they hired
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: you back?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: It was like a day.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, was that quick?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they called me like I think it was later,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: maybe later in the day that they laid me off
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: that they were like, hey, we actually have something we
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: want to offer you again. And initially I was actually like,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. And that's when I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: basically was like, I don't want to do that job.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go disconnect in the woods. It's election day.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm it's highly stressed already. Yeah, And so I disconnected,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I like almost disconnected my phone, and everybody was blowing
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: me up, like saying to come back. So eventually we
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: worked something out and I came back at that this
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: this national job I have, which was really different back then,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and part of it was I could live anywhere, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: obviously I'm getting the fuck out of Baltimore. Everything you
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: hear about that city is true.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: By the way, do you ever watch The Wire?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: No?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite show.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: That's not for me.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: He never went down to the projects from the show
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I have, Yes, the board of up houses.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It's real, it's scary, it's really odd, but it's odd
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because there's parts of that city that are actually really nice.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The neighborhood I lived in is actually still one of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: my favorite neighborhoods I've lived in. I think it's Federal
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Hill if anyone wants to google it. But yeah, everything
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: in that show is real.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So so like even the layft that just happened here,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you know it happens every year, right, not just here everywhere.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: But when that happens, you know what that even though
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you're back, you know what that feeling is like.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, you never see it coming.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, it's crazy. So the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: high you back on National and then what what year
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: did you come back to here to kiss twenty twenty two?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It was three years last month, and so they sent
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you back here. Correct me if I'm wrong to assist Dylan.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Dylan is the program director, but he also does a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: lot of national things too.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: He's a really big deal in our company.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he oversees the entire pot format. That's crazy, like
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: everything that happens on any of the stations goes through him.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: A statement was made to me once a while. I'll
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: never forget it, and I want you to confirm or
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: deny if this is true. They said to me that Dylan,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: in his position, he makes decisions on music and what
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: music goes on and when music comes off, that he
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: could potentially make a decision on a song that could
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: potentially move it up and up or down.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: The music charts.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely, that's true. It's like just it's an
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: influenced thing. Yeah, for sure. I mean that's kind of
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that's like Dylan for sure, But it's also a Kiss
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: one oh eight thing. Like this is one of the
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: biggest radio stations out there. The amount of people who
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: look at what we do and then and not copy it,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: but like they know, we put a lot of research
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and a lot of thought, and every little decision on
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: this radio station has been thought out. Every tiny little
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: thing you hear has been thought out. So people will
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: look at Kiss one oh eight and see what we do,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and they look at like Z one hundred and New
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: York and Kiss in LA and Kiss in Chicago, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: they'll do things on their own station based on that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: We set the standard exactly essentially, is what you're saying.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Dylan does oversee every pop station. So yeah, in theory,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: he could be like, you have to do this, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: he's not doing that. Nobody's doing that, you know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you so you do your national stuff, but
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: then you also assist him here. So basically I say,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: m cave's my boss. He goes, no, I'm not. Essentially
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you are in a way because I go to you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: for all my kiss stuff.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It's like less of a boss. It's more of a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like just we get the shit done, yeah kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: aspect of it. Yeah, and I'm just like the doer. Yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that's really it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So before we run out of time, because Billy's going
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to be knocking on my door on a second. What
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I love about you is a couple of things. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: love your personality. You're very cheerful. Plus you're very Yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you're just a nice dude. You're a good person. I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: drawn to good people, right, you too. Yes, I spent
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of years with bad people. I cherish the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: good ones. You're one of the good ones. That's one.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Number two.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I love that you go to so many shows, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: not just that We've talked about this on the show,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: but you live your dream.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, like I live my dream and you live
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: your dream. You love music, you love radio, you love entertainment,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you love all that stuff and you get to do
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it every single day and you own it. Oh yeah,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: how many shows last year?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Oh? Hundreds? I actually I have a spreadsheet because I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a genuine psychopath. I love data, and I just updated
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it on my way home the other day. I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm getting up to six hundred total artists, shows, performances
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: seen in your life, in my life of twenty nine years,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: do you count doubles? Yeah, okay, that's like total if
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: somebody had sang in front of me, an artist saying
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: for me, I'm writing it down.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's so funny you go to the biggest shows,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: but then you also go to these shows that I'm like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: where the fuck is mccae.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Like, Boston's really underrated music city right now.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I think it, like, based on my knowledge of it,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: is it used to be a massive music town, like
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a rock city. So many big rock stations and a
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: huge pop sty city with Kiss one O eight like
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: setting the standard for a lot of these big hits
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: back in the day. But there are so many colleges
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: here that, especially on the indie, alternative and pop scenes,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: You've got a lot of like in touch, young kids
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: listening to what's next in music. And I live in
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the South End with like very close to Berkeley, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: obviously everyone there is a young music head. They have
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: they have their own venue that I'll walk into sometimes
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: at Berkeley. Yeah, and my favorite part is Berkeley has
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: these little pop up shows in their cafeteria in one
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of the dorms, And sometimes I'll be like walking back
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: from Fenway and I'll see a crowd and I'll ask, like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: what's happening here, and they'll be like, oh, it's just
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: a calf show is what they call them, a show
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in the cafeteria, and I'll literally like sneak in and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: see and they're unreal, it's.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Crazy, or girl like it'll be seconds bands, it's crazy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Us love all of it. And you know why I
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: do all this ship, especially the big shows and the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: medium shows that we do thankfully get access to, is
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: because you never know what it's going to go away.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Like I say yes to everything because I never know tomorrow.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Who knows what's going to happen.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: That's true. Live it up. You are the definition of
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: living it up.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also you also the other thing is that
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: your parents are in New York and you're here. You
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: don't have any other family here. You know, kids, thankfully, thankfully.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you do that everyone with the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: kids and all that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: It's a lot. It's a lot.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: When you're wondering why you don't see me out of
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: events that much. It's the kids.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: When we get you out to a show, we have
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to shine Down. That's the only show we ever been.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: To that was great. I know what's another show that
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: we can go to.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I'll go to whatever you want.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Really, I'm trying to go well, trying to go to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the Ray Kwan mob deep show.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Like Baltimore all over again.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, before we go, I want to end with a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: hot take from you, if you will indulge in me. Okay,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the hot take from a cave is that because I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: want you to explain this very quickly.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the Taylor Swift album, the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: new one. Oh, I don't think it's a hot take. Okay,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you're not a fan.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's fine.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: You think it's fine.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't it didn't.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Care about it, Okay, you don't hate it. But it
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: came in below your expectations.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Is that remarkably below?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I want you to producer.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Riley and I talk about all the time. She's a
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: number one Swifty. She mildly agrees, but she hype. She
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: being Taylor hyped this album up so much. I like Taylor.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I listened to the albums. I enjoy her. I'm never
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  Speaker 2: like buying all the way into all the shit she does,
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  Speaker 2: but I did for this album because I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people in my life who are passionate about her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna be there and listen and get involved.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to that podcast she did with Travis and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the other guy, Jason Kelsey, and it made me so
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: hype for the album. I was so pumped. She was like,
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  Speaker 2: this is gonna be reputation bangers. In nineteen eighty nine,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: shell Back in Max mart Max Mart like, you can't
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: make a bad album with those people, And then she
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: made an album that was not bangers. Right, there's one
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  Speaker 2: maybe banger on it. We played on Kiss I Fit
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  Speaker 2: is good opal Lite, you know, like op Open Light
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  Speaker 2: is Me Part two. It's so corny. Then she is
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  Speaker 2: the queen of corn in every era she's had in
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  Speaker 2: a good way. This one is like it was like
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: somebody gave her the Internet for the first time, like
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: girl Boss too Close to the Sun, who says that, like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I mean that does come off as corny. But see
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: this is a hot take because I listened to the
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  Speaker 1: album and I'm like, well, it's pretty good.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It may it is a hot take, I guess in
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: our kiss when to Wait community. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people who don't like it really or who find
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: it mid even my my friend. I got dinner with
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  Speaker 2: a friend last night who's a number one swifty and
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  Speaker 2: he ranked it in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it's not that it's not that it's a bad album,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's not what she hyped it out exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I think I got annoyed about it, Okay,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: because I was expecting nineteen eighty nine in reputation.
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  Speaker 1: See it from my point of view, like Folklore, I'm
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: not listen. I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I listen to all music, right, yeah, and Taylor's was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: obviously a flagship artist here a Kiss, so I space
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: special attention to her.
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  Speaker 3: But Folklore when that came out, I was.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I didn't get it the first I didn't
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: do it for years probably, yeah, until people were like,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you have to actually just like let your like expectations
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  Speaker 2: down on her. That's the thing I always get. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: always forgets. I have expectations of artists, like I didn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: like the last Beyonce era because my expectation of her
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: is crazy in love with the country album. Yeah, we'll
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: never get that again.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: No, you know, no.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Now and listen, I say this all the time about music,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure you can agree with this. There's not
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: so much timeless music as there once was.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's really interesting new music.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Friday comes a bunch of new songs. Some stick around,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: most don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know right now, it's a it's a what's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the word, It's like mass, it's masses, like you put
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  Speaker 2: out a ship ton of music every week and hope
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  Speaker 2: one sticks.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not you do one thing, yeah, and you put
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that one thing out. You know, it's all about numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Now, it's a different game, different game.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: It's hard. I would not want to be any person
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: actively working.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you have like your sombers, like Sombers
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: on the Rise. He's got a good couple of good songs.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: You know, knows how many sombers are not with a
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  Speaker 2: major label, who never get heard by a major label,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And are you know, stuck in the streaming ethos which
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: does There's a million songs like every week that come
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: out on the on the streaming platforms. There's so many,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and it's getting higher and higher. With AI, I could
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: do a whole week's worth of episod.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Well you know what, you come back? Can you?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Will you come back with your old recordings for the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: A have to show army. Yeah, it'll be fun to look,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: all right, pull them up. Well, we'll get those on
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: for you. But thank you, McCabe.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we learned a lot. Get paid for this, you
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  Speaker 2: know you.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Do not get paid for this.
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  Speaker 1: have another surprise. Yes, I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: Say hell yet.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Is that person? That person's on the show tomorrow too,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: right for a little bit.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be on the show tomorrow because this some
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: thing's happening. Nothing bad, but you know, there's gonna be
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: some whatever.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Lisa is going on vacation.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: This is going on vacation.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: We can say that, we can say that. I said, okay,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: so you don't create so you're not creating mass pandemonium?
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  Speaker 3: Or should I just say it then? No?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah tomorrow special guests, make sure you
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  Speaker 1: tune in. Bye McCabe, Bye,