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Mac & Bone Show - Brian Dunseth Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: A guy who has experience as a member of the
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  Speaker 1: US men's national team, a guy that had that is
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  Speaker 1: out there covering all forms of soccer, including US men's
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  Speaker 1: national teams games you'll see on Turner. He's with the
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  Speaker 1: MLS on Apple crew as well, and he's nice enough
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  Speaker 1: to join us to talk about this team that has
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  Speaker 1: captivated the nation. He is Brian Dunsith and he joins
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  Speaker 1: us here on the Mac and Bone Show. Brian, appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you man, How you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fantastic gentleman. Appreciate the time and always good to
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  Speaker 2: join you guys.
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  Speaker 3: How can you not be fantastic?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 3: What's okay? So let's talk.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start with the the game yesterday itself. What
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  Speaker 1: did you think because they showed different facets of them, right,
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were dominating the ball when they were
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  Speaker 1: eleven on eleven playing some you know, some pretty soccer,
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  Speaker 1: and then they had to roll their sleeves up after
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  Speaker 1: the Balligan red card like they I just didn't they
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  Speaker 1: impress in multiple ways last night?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I think the reality is that there's just this
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  Speaker 2: sense of urgency that we've seen from day one. From
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  Speaker 2: that game when it kicked off at so far against Paraguay.
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  Speaker 2: In credit to US Soccer, they had created a schedule
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  Speaker 2: whereas the US had already played Turkey A, they had
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  Speaker 2: played Paraguay, they had played Australia. They were kind of
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  Speaker 2: understanding of what the potential of this World Cup draw
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  Speaker 2: would kind of look like, and they did a fantastic
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  Speaker 2: job kind of predicting. But I've been around this team
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  Speaker 2: for a long time and I saw kind of the
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  Speaker 2: highs and lows of the departure of Greg Burholter, the
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  Speaker 2: hiring of Marieo Pochettino, and I can promise you from
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  Speaker 2: day one, what we're seeing right now is all of
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  Speaker 2: the elements of accountability that we saw from the first
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  Speaker 2: moment that he stepped foot down in Austin, Texas for
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  Speaker 2: that first friendly against Panama. You know, oftentimes we kind
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  Speaker 2: of weaponized the word vibes because, you know, we forget
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  Speaker 2: that these group of guys have been together for the
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  Speaker 2: better part of their entire adulthood. You know, they've been
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  Speaker 2: together since they're through their teen years. So there's a brotherhood,
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  Speaker 2: there's a camaraderie, but there also needed to be a
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  Speaker 2: certain amount of accountability, and I think that Marisa Pochtino
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  Speaker 2: with kind of that Argentinian national team background and participating
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  Speaker 2: in a World Cup. He reset. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: say the standards, but the growth pattern, the accountability and
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  Speaker 2: through some traction with injury and for whatever reason, players
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  Speaker 2: not being available, we saw multiplication and the leadership of
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  Speaker 2: Chris Richards, of Tim Reim, of guys like Tyler Adams,
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  Speaker 2: of Wester McKinney, even the growth of guys like Alex Freeman.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a feel good time and I think these
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  Speaker 2: guys are recognizing much like you know, Tony Meola, Lexi Lalis,
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  Speaker 2: Marcelo bo Boa, John Harks, Eric went all the tab Ramos,
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  Speaker 2: that this is their opportunity to etch their name in
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  Speaker 2: Stone in terms of legends of US soccer.
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  Speaker 1: What'd you think of the flow call last night, both
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  Speaker 1: the call and then the way the lasting impact of
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  Speaker 1: that to the next game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I'm actually surprised you didn't start with that,
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  Speaker 2: because I know that's the big top But topic, here's
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things. I think, first and foremost, we're
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  Speaker 2: still looking for a certain amount of clarity when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the intervention of var The technology is perfect,
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  Speaker 2: but the human application becomes a different conversation, and I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of people rightfully so are using the
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  Speaker 2: Lino Messi challenge. In the game against Algeria, where no
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  Speaker 2: review was was sent, no referee wasn't set sent to
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  Speaker 2: the monitor, there was no yellow cards, so var the
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  Speaker 2: Venezuelan mon Soto decided that through the reaching of the
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  Speaker 2: ball at the same time with Muharemvich the Bosnia and
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  Speaker 2: Herzegovina descender that there was enough there for a VR
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  Speaker 2: recommendation for a potential red card for series style play. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see it. I know the conversation always surrounds
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  Speaker 2: the word intent, and you've got to take intent out
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  Speaker 2: of it. But what I don't like is that there
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  Speaker 2: was an instinctual movement for both players to challenge for
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  Speaker 2: the ball, and I'm not really sure where flow Baligan's
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  Speaker 2: foot is supposed to to land in a moment like that. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming from a former center backs perspective, so if
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  Speaker 2: I get caught, yeah it hurts. But here's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the heavy reliance on slow motion replays
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  Speaker 2: versus real time speed and what concerns me, and this
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  Speaker 2: is a lot twelve, endangering the safety of an opponent
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  Speaker 2: and using excessive force. Just to be clear in the bylines,
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  Speaker 2: Muharevitch finishes the game. So when you're looking at the
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  Speaker 2: heavy reliance on the slow motion replace, of course it's
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  Speaker 2: always going to look horrible. Of course it's always going
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  Speaker 2: to look worse. But I don't think there was ever instinct,
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  Speaker 2: in any type of instinct in the incident in itself
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  Speaker 2: that would lead to kind of the idea of intent
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  Speaker 2: injured And you could see the look of bewill dement
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  Speaker 2: from flow Balligant afterwards. It sucks because he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be out of the next game against Belgium. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Ricardo Peppian company are going to have to soldier on.
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  Speaker 2: But I love the response from the gutsiness of this
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  Speaker 2: group to deal with adversity in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely I did too, Man, that was beautiful, But Dan,
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  Speaker 1: that call piss me off.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, the way the game hell.
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  Speaker 1: The tournament in general, it feels like they have aired
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  Speaker 1: on not calling stuff and then the game in general too,
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  Speaker 1: Donny like the game in general? How many yellow cards
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  Speaker 1: should Bosni have had at that point? Grabbing jerseys, pulling
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  Speaker 1: guys back when we get past them, it just it
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  Speaker 1: didn't even It was like contradiction from the way the
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  Speaker 1: game had been called. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Listen, I think the hardest part for all of us,
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  Speaker 2: especially here in the US, is that we wake up
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  Speaker 2: in the morning and we watched the Premier League and
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  Speaker 2: we watched the line of intervention and the referees involvement
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  Speaker 2: look different than what we see in Major League Soccer.
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  Speaker 2: Then we compare in contrast Tuesday and Wednesday nights in
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  Speaker 2: Champions League and seeing the different styles of refereeing in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the and listen, Pierre Luigi Karina has made
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  Speaker 2: it very clear he wants that bar of intervention extremely high.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I was surprising that all of us involved,
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  Speaker 2: and this isn't just like a home or American take.
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  Speaker 2: I think you saw the real big voices with in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the laws of the game, and the experts
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  Speaker 2: and max referees really all were surprised that this crossed
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  Speaker 2: that threshold for VR to suggest the referee head over
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  Speaker 2: to the monitor.
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  Speaker 1: I know, every ref, whether it was Clattenberg on the broadcast,
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  Speaker 1: Christine Uncle on CBS, like every ref expert I heard
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  Speaker 1: was you know, at ESPN dot COM's they all said
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. So yeah, it's I do we sound
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  Speaker 1: like Homer's But those experts were saying it too. All right, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: don't set this with us. You can watch him mls
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  Speaker 1: on Apple covers. They will be back. FC's back with
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  Speaker 1: a rivalry game on July twenty second against Atlanta with
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  Speaker 1: Tim Riem by the way, the captain of this US team.
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  Speaker 1: So Bone was touching on this earlier and brought this up, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we have to get past the flow ball again.
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  Speaker 1: Will not be with us for the Belgium game. So
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  Speaker 1: now I need you to tell me, like how much
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  Speaker 1: of a problem that is, because he just looks amazing
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  Speaker 1: right now, Like is it as simple? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: they plugged Peppi in? And how worried should we be
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  Speaker 1: about playing them without flow?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Listen, I think the reason why we were all
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  Speaker 2: as Americans, we were all hopeful Beflow would make that
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  Speaker 2: one time switch a few years ago down in Orlando,
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  Speaker 2: was because his player profile is so distinctly different than
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  Speaker 2: everybody else. There was another guy that I think would
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  Speaker 2: have been would have alleviated a lot of fears, and
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  Speaker 2: that would have been Patrick Agimont had he not done
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  Speaker 2: his achilles right before the World Cup roster was announced.
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  Speaker 2: And I say that not because I'm playing to the pulpit,
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  Speaker 2: but more importantly, I just think his player profile is different,
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  Speaker 2: and so all credits to Ricardo Pepe listen. He's been
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  Speaker 2: outstanding for both club and country, but he's a different
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  Speaker 2: type of player. He scores a ton of goals for
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  Speaker 2: psv Over in Holland and then in the Champions League
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  Speaker 2: as well, so he's the guy that can score Hajji
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  Speaker 2: writes and other options. But I would also suggest that
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  Speaker 2: we saw a little bit of what we saw against
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  Speaker 2: Portugal in March, where Marisa Pochtino is thinking about playing
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  Speaker 2: Christian in that hybrid of a number nine position. So
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  Speaker 2: he's going to have options. And here's the one thing,
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  Speaker 2: guys that I learned. No matter how hard you try
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  Speaker 2: to pre and analyze what do you think Marisa Pochatino
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  Speaker 2: is going to do, there's always going to be a
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  Speaker 2: wrinkle because he and his coaching staff are constantly thinking
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  Speaker 2: about what they need to do. So take away the
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  Speaker 2: disappointment of losing that game against Belgium in Atlanta and
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  Speaker 2: the friendly I thought they were solid, but they weren't great.
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  Speaker 2: They gave up too many, the margins were too small,
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  Speaker 2: and a team that can punish you when you turn
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  Speaker 2: the ball over. So they have a they have a
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  Speaker 2: familiarity with Belgium. The question is can they capitalize without
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  Speaker 2: a guy like globe Aaligan, who's just a difference maker
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  Speaker 2: on all levels.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think there? I'll ask you to put a
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  Speaker 3: percentage on it.
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  Speaker 1: What percent chance is it that Pachettino signs that contract
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  Speaker 1: he's been offered or signs a new contract with the
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  Speaker 1: US men's national team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty slim when I like to see him stay, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to understand that we're dealing with it
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  Speaker 2: with a different animal when it comes to Marisa Puchctino.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's unlike the Jurgen Klinsman timeline because
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  Speaker 2: Marisa has been so successful with the mest a football.
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  Speaker 2: You know where you talked about Espaniel Southampton, Tottenham, Hontspur.
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  Speaker 2: I know people kind of use the reference point of
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  Speaker 2: PSC even the departure of Chelsea, but he and his
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  Speaker 2: staff are absolutely fantastic and there's a reason why his
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  Speaker 2: name is always linked to the big jobs. So I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't surprised when the story came out in the Athletic.
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  Speaker 2: Those whispers had been around even previously. I believe JK.
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  Speaker 2: Batson had kind of like publicly talked about it, but
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  Speaker 2: it was more like English press getting their fingers in it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there has to have been a conversation in
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  Speaker 2: a feeling out process, but I believe it would be
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  Speaker 2: naive to think that the United statesmen in the national
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  Speaker 2: team in this next cycle is the only option that
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  Speaker 2: he and his coaching staff are going to have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I kind of felt I was afraid
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  Speaker 1: to ask the question, but I needed here.
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  Speaker 3: I needed to hear the truth, Donny, and you gave
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  Speaker 3: it to us. Hey, man, enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Looking forward to getting you and all the MLS Apple
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  Speaker 1: folks back together too when the season gets going again.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for spending some time with us. Man, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you, guys. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: That's Brian done sit Uh, affectionately known as Dunny