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Random Heathen Ramblings: S5, EP47 - This Ship Has Sailed! [Season Five Finale] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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The. The.
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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podcast where we discuss all sorts of things dramatic
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Heathenry related. My name is Jesse, I am your
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host. Let's get into it.
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All right, all right, all right, Ladies and gentlemen, boys and
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girls, cats, dogs, gerbils, familiars, everything of all
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types. Hail and hail and welcome.
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And hello to the season 5 finale of the Random Ethan Ramblings
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podcast. Hello, Scald.
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It works. Hello, Joshua.
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Bright Spirit. Hello Voodoo Viking, and hello
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to Cowboy on YouTube with a Hail the Gods and Voodoo Viking.
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Hello everyone. And we've also got the Wild
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Heathen Wolfpack checking in over here on YouTube says good
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evening from Alaska, ladies and gentlemen.
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I have some pretty cool stuff to talk about in terms of Alaska
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coming up here. So thank you to the Heathen
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Wolfpack for for tuning in and checking in with with all of us
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here for the season 5 finale. So I've got a guest that's kind
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of just sitting here chilling. Let me get through some comments
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and acknowledge everybody here. Blessed yield to you, David.
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Thank you very much. And thank you to everybody who
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is tuning in and watching on tonight's live stream.
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We're broadcasting live for the last sailing of the ship.
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The, the, the Season 5 ship is sailing for the Random Heathen
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Ramblings podcast, which means that we are now out of harbour
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and full steam ahead. You know, we, we, we, we're
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rocking on and, and, and just going full steam ahead into into
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preparations of of season 6, but of course, not without first
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recapping a bit on season 5. So without further ado, I'm
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going to welcome in my guest and long time friend and brother
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who's going to be joining me for a little bit.
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I'm not sure how long, but he's going to be joining me for our
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season 5 finale. It's a bit of a tradition.
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And here we go, It's Patrick Walsh.
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Welcome to the show, Patrick. Hey, welcome, Jesse.
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Thank you very much for the invitation.
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I'm always happy to be part of your own live streams and a
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participant of Mickart Musings. Yeah, man, and thank you for
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being here. Looking good, looking frosty, as
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you say. Why?
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Thank you guys. Just trying to figure out the
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camera angle here, it's a little wonky at the moment.
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Yeah, no, you're looking good, man.
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How you been? How you holding up?
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That's a really great question. Thank you for asking.
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It's been a rough time, very rough time indeed, but but that
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sound very happy to have the support from you, my tribe, my
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friends, my family. And that in a way, those dark
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times really make those special people special memories that
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much more beautiful. So I'm doing pretty good this
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evening. Thank.
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Thank you again for asking. How are you doing, Jesse?
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Man, I'm holding on, man, I'm holding on by the skin of my
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teeth sometimes, but I'm holding on.
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We got we got Matthew Serra, who says Patty Dubs.
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Yeah, Matthew Serra giving us the the what's up, what's up?
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Lot of good, lot of good people out here in the comments
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checking in and saying hi and and hello.
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So I definitely appreciate all of that love Patrick, man, you
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know, you, you've been watching this stuff that I do for since
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before the podcast really was even a podcast.
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You know, I was doing videos on YouTube and, and, and, you know,
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sharing stuff on, on, on that platform and, and now who we
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are. Yeah, six years, man, It's, it's
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been 6 years, 6. I'm going on six seasons And,
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and you've been you've been joining me on on several
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episodes, a lot of season finale.
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You were definitely on the last season finale for season 4.
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I was I was going through and looking at some old images and
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graphics and things and, and, and you were there.
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So Scal that works says Hey, Pat Scal that works.
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This is a guy who's from the Huntsville, AL area and met him
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in person a couple of times. Actually, the first time he and
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I met in person was at a IS at a high lung ritual.
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Oh, is that your first one? Right, your first and.
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Only correct. OK, I thought my my my first.
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Yeah, I think maybe maybe it was his first too.
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But it was definitely my first, my first and only, you know,
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thus far. But but, but scalded works has
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has made his presence unknown in a more recent event at the Raven
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Moon Hearth Shadowmoot event last this this this past
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October. So he came up from the
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Huntsville, AL area and brought his tackle, harp and drums and
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made a whole bunch of racket in a good way.
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They made a bunch of good heathen racket, you know, with
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with with his instruments and stuff.
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So he's he's good people. And and yeah, so a lot of good
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familiar faces for everybody that's, you know, just tuning
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in, watching this wherever you're watching this from.
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Thank you again. This is this is the fifth season
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soak shoes and if it makes you you know, if it if it if it
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tickles your your pickle there. So yeah, scaldic works.
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That was his first as well his first high lung ritual.
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Awesome. So we both had our cherries
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popped on that night. Hello Joshua bright spirit.
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My brother says Congrats on another successful season.
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Many more to come. I appreciate that brother and I
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and I do, we just want to say, you know, that, that one of the,
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one of the people who has been an instrumental part in, in
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inspiring me to, to keep this whole shindig going.
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You know, Patrick is here. He's, he's an instrumental
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influence for me to want to keep this whole thing going.
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Joshua bright spirit, you as well, brother, have been really
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helpful for me in my, my life over the last five to six
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seasons, you know, 5-6 years of life, you know, just to, just to
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really help inspire me and keep and keep things going.
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Because I'll be honest, you know, there's, there's been
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plenty of times where I feel just, I'm done.
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You know, I've, I'm, I've had challenges and, and, and turmoil
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and stuff pop up where I'm like, you know, the heck with it all
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and I'm, I'm done with it. But these two guys here, you
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know, Joshua the bright spirit and then Patrick Walsh, you
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know, you guys have been a huge reason why everybody else that's
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watching this and listening and whatever, how you're capturing
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all this stuff. You know, these two guys have
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been a very influential part as to why we're still here, so
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thank you. Well, thank you, Jesse, and I'm
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very happy to share with anyone watching that I got to got to
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know Joshua Price spirit in person and via online from the
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get go. And he's a wonderful man.
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And like you, Jesse, he's helped me tremendously through many
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stages of my life, be a good, bad and in between.
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And that's something I think we all share from personal
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experiences and collectively. And that really, you know, says
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testament to what we've established together.
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And, you know, yeah, it's a very beautiful thing.
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Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, one of the beautiful things
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about our relationship is that and thank you, Bradley, also
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Bradley boss for for commenting said Hey guys.
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Yeah, Scarlet work's been there, done that.
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Absolutely. Yeah, one of the beautiful
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things about, you know, Patrick's and my friendship,
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which has become a kinship, as you know, it's, it's, it's, it's
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been a journey. It, it's, you know, we each are
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going on our own separate journeys, but some of the
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journey has been shared in different ways.
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And in that shared journey, bright spirit has, has been
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involved as well. You know, so we have this shared
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life, the shared experience while each, while each of us are
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tying our own in, you know, threads of weird and we're
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we're, we're, we're, we're doing our own things and we're keeping
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our own homes and hearths as we are, you know, in that endeavor.
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And through that process, we are also interweaving.
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You know, our threads are interweaving.
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And I think that's a beautiful, I think it's a beautiful thing.
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Absolutely. Yeah, Wild Heathen Wolfpack says
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spiritual burnout is real and often gets overlooked, hence why
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community is important, especially in our way of life.
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That's a very good observation, Wild Heathen Wolfpack and I
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think Patrick has a very keen and in tune experience and
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observation that because you, you Patrick, you yourself have
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also helped with forming a community of sorts, right in
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your own way. Do you want to talk a little bit
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about that for for folks that are here?
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Absolutely. Thank you.
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I appreciate the opportunity. And yeah, I completely
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understand the the stages of burnout.
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It could be very vicious and downright ugly.
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But also it's very important to step back from that potential
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burn off phase and look to where you've gotten this far and how
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you've gotten this far. And yeah, a little bit about
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myself. I'm an avid high lung follower
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and supporter and high lung marks a very and continued
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important chapter of my life and really changed it and very
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wonderful ways. I got to meet some very special
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people. I got to spend time with them a
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few times. And after my first time is, it's
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a long story, I want to dive into it just yet, maybe later
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on. But when I came home after
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hanging out the my first time back in 2022 in Chicago, I was
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on my Amtrak train back home and I thought to myself, I'm like,
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well, what can I do to again, going back to the story is what
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can I do to solidify this? So anyways, I'm just going to
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dive into it cause a lot of people might be wondering.
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So when I was hanging out with Heideling my first time, one of
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the members goes, oh, he owns botching for me.
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He goes, Oh, Patrick, you know, he's a, he's a creator or admin
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of a certain Highland group, A highland spiritual community.
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And he kept saying this, I'm like, hey, I have to pull him up
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to the side. Like, hey, the person I
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mentioned, I'm like, I'm not a creator.
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I'm just an avid follower. I'm just here to support you
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guys. But then I kept thinking about
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that and he told me a response that goes, oh, that's OK, that's
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OK. I'm like, cool, kick ass.
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But again, on my train ride back home, my fall, he mentioned
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being an admin of a group. So I'm like, well, let's do
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something with that. Let's really nickname for
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myself. And it, it's helping greatly and
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reaching out to the community that I've created.
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And it's the Hammock Spiritual Support group.
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It ranges anywhere from, you know, just spiritual matters,
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personal matters, within reason. And I tell all my people in my
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group that none of us are licensed practitioners in the
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mental health field by any means.
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But having a group, a safe space, if you will, to just
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really be yourself within reason, of course, because it's
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the Internet, you know, we have to respect other people's
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situations and privacies. But with that said though, I am
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very happy to amass the following that I have, but more
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importantly reached the few people that I have and really
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help them in their development and just be there as a someone
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to talk to or just some places to be yourself and sure
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yourself. Well, you mentioned something
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few and I do just want to say like while while you might be
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modest, it's 2.6000 members you. Know that is correct, yes.
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With that said though, again just a general just of the group
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is I'll make a post on occasion and we have like so many members
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and grand total for the most part we get maybe 100 or so 3
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actions. But again, I'm not taking it
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personally as it I'm. Sure.
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Yeah, that's just, yeah, that's just social media, you know, and
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I did, I did share. So for, you know, if you guys
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are watching on YouTube or Facebook, wherever.
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I mean, the link to Patrick's group is in the comments here.
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I've linked it. There are some, you know, just
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membership questions, right, to make sure that you're not a bot
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or scammer, crazy thing or scammer, right?
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But yeah, send the request and there there's the link.
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So it's, it is a Facebook group. Obviously if you're not on
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Facebook, then you know, but for those of you that are and, and
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want to connect in in this sort of way, like, like Patrick said,
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there's a lot of different stuff that gets posted there with,
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with the attention put on mental spiritual health, not just
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highland, but highland being a very focused aspect.
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Of the focal point, yeah, it's the foundation of what created
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everything to make it so this is well as my path where I'm at
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today. Yeah, Got a question or a
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comment rather from Voodoo Viking on YouTube who says what
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happens if you can't find community?
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We're we're talking about community and in the real sense,
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right in the kind of the grass roots, boots on the ground more
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than just online sense. You know what happens if you
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can't find community? That's a really great question.
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I love that. Yeah, so I mean, Patrick, you
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know, you and I have known each other for again, going on, you
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know, six years almost since the beginning of, of my channel and,
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and, and posting content. And I, I, I feel like I want to
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ask you like, did you have a sense of community or do you
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have a sense of community in your area to connect to like in
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grassroots level? And, and how has that presence
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or, or absence of the presence impacted you?
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Like what happens if, like a voodoo Viking says, if you can't
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find community? I really can't express enough
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how I love how much I love that question because me from the
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greater part of my life, even now I'm a solar practitioner.
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Now saying solar practitioner, it doesn't mean you can't be
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part of community again. Ever since I joined the Heimlich
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spiritual community is when the doors were open and 95 or more
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percent people that I talked to support and support me at the
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very least live outside of my state.
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That can range anywhere from Indiana, Tennessee, North
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Carolina, I mean all over the world and far reaching to
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Norway, you know, all over the place.
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So Australia, I think you've got some people in Australia like
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clear across and other stuff, yeah.
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It's crazy. But so going back to that
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question though, is though you may not have a community in
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person because I'll trace back to your question in my area, but
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is this you make your own community and at the very least
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you can set up some kind of arrangement to do like a video
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call or something like that. It's the sky is limitless.
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The potentials are limitless. So with my area, though, to go
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back to that, I don't have or I'm not familiar with any Pagan
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or heathen groups near my area. And I will say I don't haven't
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sought any out because I'm too content and satisfied with the
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people that I see me have in my life.
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But yeah, the, the potentials range wildly.
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I mean, you could create your own community.
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It's again, it's unfair to compare them.
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I like to say that a lot because, you know, you see
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people like, you know, Jesse, you, you have people very much
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near your neck of the woods. We can make, you know, moots and
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you know, special holidays and celebrations possible.
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Not all people have that luxury, but again, everyone learns and
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practices in their own special and individual ways.
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So again, you know, it's it's easy to fall into that feeling.
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I'm like, well, I don't have a community.
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You do, You're part of this live stream.
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You're part of this community and make our musings.
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You have a community. Yeah, this is, this is a, this
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is a version of community. I mean, it definitely falls
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under that description. But not to the sense of, you
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know, practicing, you know, like, you know, lots or
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Sabbaths. But yeah.
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Right, Yeah, Bright spirit mentioned something here on
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Facebook that music has always been such an incredible
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connection of people. And this is this is something I
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think that's worth, you know, mentioning and and recognizing
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also that the the the, the rhythm of the earth, the the
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heartbeat of the earth, the earth that we all share and a
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coexistence on, you know, we, we, we live here.
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We are part of her Mother Earth, Mother yards, whatever name you
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want to place to this great, you know, landmass that we are
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living on. And in different places of the
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world, there is a universal heartbeat that resonates.
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And music is a universal language that can connect us
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because while we may not understand spoken languages
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because of dialects and because of, you know, again, you know,
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you may not be versed in French or German or Spanish or or
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Latvian or Norwegian or any other other language of the
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world. Music, the rhythm, the beat is
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this sort of unspoken universal language that unites all of us.
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And that's one of the beauties of connecting with people that
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that speak that language, right. Musicians, especially that that
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can come and and share their craft, share their their skill
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with the world because it connects people beyond just what
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is is in front of us at some sometimes.
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And I like what you said, Patrick, is that, you know, you
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can, there is a community, if I can acknowledge this and says
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thank you, you know, and, and there is community, it's one of
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the other there. There's another content creator
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who I've been following for years.
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There is an air of controversy around this person.
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I'm not going to get into that. But Ocean Keltoi on on YouTube,
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if you, if you know the name Ocean Keltoi, if you've been
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following their content, his content for any length of time,
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you know, one of his famous phrases or infamous phrases is a
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find a way or make one. And to your point, Patrick,
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right, like you either find a community or you make a
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community. All right, So you, you build
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something from something you know, you build, you build
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something from from what you want to to attract.
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And I've said many times is, you know, be the thing that you want
24:32
to attract. Don't don't necessarily go into
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it with the idea or with the notion that you want to attract
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anybody. Just just be an example of what
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you think is is good. And then the right people will
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come to you, you know, like that, you know, kind recognizes,
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kind fire, Kindles fire. Like there's iron sharpens iron.
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Like there's various, either, you know, like cannings or, or,
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or things that you can use to, to describe what I'm saying.
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But yeah, community is out there.
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And, and to what degree your community is, is like you say,
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it's, it's limited only to your capabilities of reaching it.
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You know, you want to get out there and do boots on the ground
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meetups and, and, and establish something in your area.
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I know plenty of people in Missouri that are doing stuff
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like this. Now.
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Missouri is a big area, don't get me wrong, just because
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Missouri is, you know, just because you're in Missouri and,
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and other people in Missouri, you know, like you, you could be
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4 1/2 five hours away and still be in the same state, easily
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same, the same, same as Tennessee, you know what I mean?
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Same as Tennessee. But the fact is that there's
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people out there that are doing things and if and if they're not
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within a close enough proximity to your area, then what's
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stopping you from doing that thing in your area, you know?
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Exactly. And then scald it works makes a
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very good point, right? It's it's unwise force
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community. It's organic enough out here
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folks like it's organic enough to nurture the organic nature of
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it. You know, if you're forcing it
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to happen, then it's, it's almost like trying to grow
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oranges in Appalachia. All right?
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If you're forcing it, it ain't going to work, man.
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It ain't going to work. It ain't going to take, it might
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last a season or two because of, of ideal quote UN quote ideal
26:28
conditions. But guess what?
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Oranges don't grow in Appalachia organically.
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If you're forcing it to happen, if you're trying to force
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something to happen, it's not going to, it's not going to take
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root. It's not going to flourish.
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So yeah, be be be more or you know, be more attuned or in tune
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with the, the organic aspect of growth and feed it, feed the
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growth. Don't try to force it, you know.
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And that kind of, I'd like to take this opportunity to also go
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back to, you know, again, the Highland spiritual community.
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Yes, when I first joined them, I never sought out, you know,
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making my own community. It happened the way it happened.
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And especially with, you know, many people on the Internet,
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there's always that risk of me meeting unsavory individuals who
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don't have their best interests in mind.
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Again, these are perfect strangers I'm referring to, not
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a friends. But all the same though, you
27:27
know, I never expected to get to this point in my life with this
27:34
community and my community and my brother or sister community,
27:38
the Highline U.S. group. You know, it's this, it's
27:41
natural, it's organic. None of us sought each other
27:45
out. We just met each other.
27:47
We just created the following with any special people or
27:50
persons I met this year, the last year or the last few years
27:55
again, me and you, Jesse, Like when I sought you out, I didn't
27:59
seek, I didn't seek you out again, going back to the the
28:03
foundation of me and you. I was looking on YouTube, late
28:08
2020, how to perform a basic heathen ritual.
28:12
I'm like, all right, this. I scroll through a few people.
28:14
I took a peek here and there videos and I saw you.
28:17
I'm like, all right, let's check them out.
28:19
Click all right and listen to you And this, you know, despite
28:24
the quality of your video back then, I think.
28:29
Twice of it I'm. Like I'm like, I like this guy,
28:31
fucking love him. He's just genuine.
28:34
He's not trapped like sales pitch like, oh, be sure to check
28:38
out my merch and you know, sales pitch, sales pitch, sales pitch
28:43
just like money, money, money, money, money or follow.
28:45
I want your likes what your loves like, you know, you did so
28:49
modestly. I mean, I didn't, I don't
28:51
remember anything like that, but just, you know.
28:54
It's out there. You just go down the go down the
28:56
rabbit hole. I've I've plugged enough of my
28:58
shit because you know, what do you do when you're creating
29:01
content? You, you got there, you got the.
29:03
Right, hat in the rain. You got the right hat in the
29:05
rain now. Yeah.
29:06
But just all the same though, out of all the videos and people
29:09
I saw that night, you know, it's funny 'cause going back to that
29:13
story is followed you on YouTube, YouTube, YouTube.
29:17
And then we have a mutual friend, Matthew Petrie.
29:22
And then finally we became friends on Facebook.
29:25
And then Fast forward, visit you 2021, No 2022 I believe it was.
29:33
I have to look back, but I think it was, I think it was 2021.
29:37
I think it was 2021. I think it's 2022 because that's
29:41
after the first High Highland. OK, yeah, yeah, it might have
29:46
been 'cause I know there was still like this, this global
29:49
awareness of a pandemic and, you know, you traveled and then, you
29:53
know, and all that. But yeah, I feel like 20.
29:55
So you came out to but but yeah, because 2022 you came and
30:03
visited me. Yeah, 2023.
30:06
No Fire Mountain. Fire on the mountain number one,
30:08
and this year fire on mountain #2 so that tracks.
30:11
Yep, yeah, that's it. Yep.
30:14
Wow, this is crazy. Thinking about it though, I
30:17
mean, before we have met in person that we just, you know,
30:21
go on conversating on Messenger and just, you know, having great
30:25
conversations. And again, even before we've met
30:29
each other in person, we created various special memories.
30:33
Yeah, that's where it started, right?
30:34
It started on this online thing and now like Voodoo Viking on
30:37
YouTube is saying, Eric, there's no offense meant in any way, but
30:42
it's like loving. If all you get is online, then
30:48
it's just pornography. I think I get the sentiment
30:51
because it's superficial. If if all you're doing is
30:55
obtaining gratification satisfaction from online
31:01
interactions, then there's there's nothing there to satisfy
31:05
the the in person need or desire to connect with a person.
31:11
That was a very good point. It's very platonic like it's,
31:13
it's, it's super, it's superficial and it doesn't
31:16
satisfy that, that inner need because let's face it, us as
31:20
human beings, we are social creatures.
31:23
We, you know, we, we, we, we crave social connections.
31:30
And yeah, if, if all you're getting is this, you know, I can
31:34
be whoever I want to be because I'm online and you're not seeing
31:38
me for who I really am. Like anybody can put a persona
31:42
absolutely online. All right.
31:46
So, yeah, I don't, I don't take offense to that.
31:47
And I understand like that's that's a real thing.
31:49
You know you you can, you can be anybody to these.
31:54
People, yeah, it's much more me for a person because I've told
31:57
Jesse several I've lost how many times I've told you Jesse
32:02
several nights, mornings, afternoons like hey man, I
32:06
really wish I was there right now and they just, you know,
32:10
convenience, you know, can't have that, but I.
32:13
Six hours away, Yeah, Like, Oh yeah, I'm just get in the car
32:16
and drive up there. Exactly.
32:18
But you know, you're not the only person that met to travel a
32:22
long distance with and each person I meet travel far from.
32:26
It's very meaningful because not only are you taking your own
32:30
time, but your own energy, your money, your interest, your love.
32:36
I mean, again, they can go both ways, you know?
32:40
Well, you should go both ways, you know.
32:42
Now for me, fortunately, everyone I've ever came to
32:46
visit, you know, make the trip to go see them, it's always
32:49
worked out very, very well and very, very happy for it.
32:52
You know, one person, example, Cliff, he lives in Terre Haute,
32:56
IN. And yeah, I visited him quite a
33:00
few times and he's got, I'll never forget the first time I
33:04
met him in person. It felt uncannyly natural, like
33:11
I just showed up at his front door.
33:12
I would have walked in, but I'm like, no, not going to be that
33:15
guy. But this is very beautiful
33:18
though. Very beautiful.
33:21
It is, man. And like you say, you know, it
33:23
goes, it does go both ways. At least it should.
33:26
Skulletworks says there's, there's a large local community
33:29
of heathens here in in the area of Alabama that they're in, but
33:33
they all gather in one place and don't want, don't seem to want
33:37
to branch out into their own smaller tribes.
33:44
I feel, I don't know that that's an interesting comment.
33:46
I feel like it's a little bit backwards.
33:48
I feel like you should focus on your smaller groups first before
33:51
branching out outwards. Or maybe there's this whole
33:54
thing where I need to find my community first before finding
33:57
that smaller, insular, you know, group of people.
34:02
I get that too 'cause you how how you going to find your tribe
34:06
unless you connect with your community first, 'cause the
34:10
tribe exists in the community. You know that those smaller kind
34:13
of branches of a family exist in that community and the community
34:20
could consist of multiple extensions of various clans or
34:26
families or hearths or, you know, whatever name you want to
34:29
put to it. As Cowboy on YouTube says that
34:36
my community is just me, perhaps another solitary or isolated
34:41
practitioner, but I always invite friends and to come and
34:47
learn. But if you're always looking for
34:50
a community, you'll drive yourself crazy.
34:53
That's why I always do my own thing.
34:57
I respect that immensely. I hope it about me saying this
35:00
ahead of you, but just that's exactly right.
35:04
Your community, in my opinion, starts with you, with us, like
35:09
us as a person. Because how do you expect to
35:12
grow any further from that and love yourself?
35:16
Like any relationship, you have to love yourself, appreciate
35:20
yourself and where you find yourself in your early days.
35:24
Now in the future, you're going to have the proper foundation
35:30
'cause you got to find the right people who will be there with
35:33
you through thick and thin. Now, with that said though,
35:36
there's going to be messed up times and disagreements and
35:41
setbacks cause we've all been there.
35:44
But yeah, as a solar practitioner myself, again,
35:47
ideally in a perfect world, I'd live, you know, anywhere near my
35:51
special people, but that's not the case.
35:54
But at the same time, I'm grateful for that solar
35:57
practitioner 'cause I can go to a tribe or a certain group of
36:03
friends and make special memories.
36:05
But yeah. Yeah, I get that.
36:10
I mean, I've, I've shared something recently that in I see
36:16
so much and I'm, I'm witness to so much, whether it's local or
36:20
on a broader scale. And I go, man, you know,
36:23
there's, there's too many people building up walls when they
36:28
should be expanding their tables and lengthening their tables.
36:33
There's this, like there's this just seemingly overarching habit
36:40
of creating barriers between groups and, and barriers between
36:47
individuals of groups even. And it's like, well, why?
36:50
Why? Because somebody said something
36:51
that you didn't like. How about you get, how about
36:53
you, How about you get down to the nitty gritty of things and,
36:56
and show up and be and be reasonable, right?
37:00
And talk to people and be like, look, just because I don't
37:02
necessarily agree with you doesn't mean that we're at odds
37:05
with one another. A tribe doesn't have to agree
37:08
with another tribe's way of doing things to be allies.
37:12
They can, they can be amicable. And, and this is, this is the,
37:15
this is what I personally believe Heathenry exists and
37:22
thrives and is, is, is sovereignty of tribe and
37:26
sovereignty of hearth is that, you know, every hearth within a
37:29
tribe is, is sovereign. They should be able to conduct
37:32
and do their own things respectively to their own ways
37:35
of doing things. And then when those harsh homes,
37:39
clans, families meet together as the tribe and do things of the
37:43
tribe, there is a sovereignty of the tribal Thu, the tribal
37:46
custom, the tribal way of doing things.
37:49
And then that tribal way of doing things is not necessarily
37:53
the overarching authority on all heathen way of doing things.
37:58
It's just their way of doing things.
37:59
It's, you know, every group is sovereign just as every hearth
38:05
is sovereign. So they do their own things
38:07
under the serenity of their own secular group.
38:11
But as a tribe, as a collective, they should be able to meet
38:14
together and do things collectively that that are
38:17
amicably well doing and when well-being that are good for
38:22
that tribe. Now, that doesn't mean that that
38:24
tribe's way of doing things is the way that every other tribe
38:27
in the area is doing things. But again, there's this
38:31
amicability, there's this, there's this at least I feel
38:34
like there should be this, this understanding, like, hey, we, we
38:36
are on we're on the same team here, right?
38:39
We, we, we may not necessarily agree or do everything and I'll
38:42
just use for an example, right? Historical heathen practices,
38:48
old ways, altitude, foreign Caesar, old ways, pre Christian
38:52
Heathenry doing everything by the Luna solar calendar, you
38:55
know, blah, blah, blah versus new ways Heathenry.
38:58
Like we don't need to be at odds with one another if you're doing
39:02
your own thing in this group and they're doing their own things
39:04
in this group. But we, you know, we're not
39:08
enemies. We we're, we're, we're
39:09
venerating the same gods or goddesses.
39:12
And you know what I mean? We have our own ways of, of
39:14
seeing things and doing things, but we're not enemies to one
39:17
another. So why, why, why this?
39:19
You know, and a separation? When they're.
39:23
Separation, you know it's. It's like open a mind me but.
39:27
And I'll catch up to some comments too here, everybody
39:29
just for you guys watching we're we're we're talking.
39:31
So Patrick, you go ahead and look at some.
39:33
Comments. I appreciate you guys let me
39:34
intervene here, but Yule is my favorite example this time of
39:40
year. This time of year, here we are
39:42
perfect example, go ahead so. Me and you, Jesse.
39:45
Let me go back to my earlier days.
39:47
Before I met you, I used to celebrate Yule in December
39:51
through the 12 nights of Yule again.
39:53
Me too. Celebrate that?
39:54
Hell yeah, that's awesome that I respect that immensely.
39:59
But then upon my dedication, for all personal reasons, I'll just
40:03
say that personal reasons, I'm like, you know what?
40:05
I'd rather do it by such and such reference.
40:09
You know, I have people in my group who celebrate you all
40:13
around winter solstice. The whole time that I try to
40:17
crack them, I'm like, no, I'm like, hey, that's cool, I'll be
40:20
celebrating it this time, whatever.
40:22
But. We're still friends, we're still
40:25
fond with each other, we still support each other.
40:27
That's fine. It could be, especially with our
40:30
practice and our path, it could be very tumultuous.
40:33
We already have enough bullshit, frankly speaking, to deal with,
40:40
you know, like racism, segregation, all that crap.
40:43
Like we already have enough on our plate.
40:45
Let's just stick to the meat potatoes and really see what
40:50
we're trying to celebrate better rate and appreciate.
40:53
And it goes a long way because again, I used to practice
40:58
similarly back in December, but ever since then, I'm like, you
41:00
know, I'll just practice the lunar calendar or whatever, You
41:04
know, it's just why create separation where it's not
41:08
needed? It's it's not necessary.
41:10
We practice and again, with learning, growing and
41:13
developing, It's not anyone's pace.
41:17
Yes, strengthen numbers, absolutely.
41:20
But as an individual, you're the only person, and that sounds
41:25
cynical, but you're the only person you can count on when
41:28
push comes to shove collectively in your darkest of times, you
41:31
got to be your own best friend before you'd be a best friend or
41:35
a partner or whatever with anyone else.
41:37
Again, when I say to say anyone else who's watching as well as I
41:40
tell this to myself because it's, it's, it's a learning
41:44
process. It's something that it's not
41:47
accomplished by any mere months or years.
41:50
It's a life practice. This is what we do.
41:56
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, like I said,
41:59
you know, like, like, like as as you said, you know, I, I I
42:03
started my hang on a second, hang on a second.
42:08
We have we have a new guest. We have a new guest joining us.
42:14
Yeah. So, Adam.
42:15
Yes, Sir. User error perhaps?
42:19
ID10T Technicianer. Yeah, yeah.
42:24
So anyway, welcome to the show everybody.
42:27
This is Adam Cage. He is a a local leader of the
42:31
heathen community in Tennessee, a brother of mine.
42:34
He is also with the Raven Moon Hearth Kindred in Nashville or
42:40
based out of Nashville. So Middle Tennessee, a Middle
42:42
Tennessee heathen and involved with other Pagan stuff around
42:47
the area. So real quick before I, I, I
42:51
just want to welcome you to the live stream, Madam.
42:53
Thank you for for coming on brother.
42:55
Thank you. Patrick, can you hear me?
43:00
Your screen's gone blank. Maybe not.
43:05
Yeah, your screen's gone blank. Patrick.
43:08
That's OK. We'll keep going.
43:14
I'll. I'll mute him for a second.
43:17
But anyway, we are talking about various things and we're going
43:22
to get caught up on some user comments, some some viewer
43:26
comments here. But we were talking about like
43:29
the, the, the, the historical observation of certain holidays,
43:33
you'll being the, the, the topic at hand right now, a historical
43:39
observation of you'll versus a more modern view of you'll.
43:45
But any who let me just get caught up on some comments,
43:49
'cause I know there's a bunch of comments that are in the queue.
43:53
We got Voodoo Viking on YouTube. That said, when you've had it,
43:58
just when, when all you've had is just yourself, What do you do
44:02
talking in terms of community? And we were talking about this
44:05
before you joined Adam. I don't know if you were
44:07
watching at all, but we were talking about, you know,
44:10
community and the the online aspect of community versus the
44:20
in person aspect of community and how there can be this sort
44:24
of disassociation with reality when all you have is an online
44:32
community to work with. Voodoo Viking made a comment
44:35
that it, it just cuts right to the chase.
44:38
It's like, it seems very pornographic, Like all you have
44:41
is images and sounds and things that could stimulate your senses
44:46
from the auditory and visual aspects of things in an online
44:49
community. But you don't have this real
44:51
tangible in person connection to people in the, you know, boots
44:56
on the ground grassroots sort of thing.
45:00
So their comment was here was following up as you know, when
45:03
when when all you've had is just yourself in this online
45:07
community, then what do you do? We'll get back to that, I'm
45:11
sure. But scald it works down in
45:13
Alabama. Oh, their online community hangs
45:16
out at the Ravenwood Meadery. Good people down there.
45:23
Voodoo Viking following UPS is the problem that I find with
45:25
making Mead is everyone wants it, but no one's willing to come
45:31
together. Yeah, I want, I want the booze,
45:35
but I don't want to, you know, do anything to to, to earn my
45:38
spot in in the queue there. Schizo is I'm I'm, I'm, I'm
45:44
sorry for everybody that's watching.
45:45
I'm I'm catching up on some comments.
45:47
We'll, we'll get through it all, Schizo says.
45:50
I feel that the I feel like the right community will find you at
45:56
the best time. And that's what happened to
45:59
them. I'll just pause right there.
46:02
And again, it kind of goes back to what I was saying before.
46:12
Yeah. You there, Patrick?
46:13
I can't hear anybody though. We can hear you.
46:19
Yeah, you got to turn the camera on, brother.
46:23
But anyway, like the, you know, the whole, the right community
46:28
will find you right. Like plant the seed like it, it
46:30
goes back like I haven't talked about it before in a way.
46:33
Like if you build it, they will come the whole field, the dreams
46:36
kind of thing, right? Build the, you know, be the
46:40
thing that you want to attract others and then they will come
46:44
like, you know, there. There's not this unorganic way
46:47
of doing it. It's it's not trying to be
46:50
forcing of anything. It's, it's the, either the
46:56
community exists and, and, and, and they'll find you or you're
46:59
going to do the things that attract the attention of the
47:02
community or vice versa, right? Like it's, it's, you got to, you
47:05
got to put yourself out there. You got to be accessible in some
47:08
sort of way. Otherwise they're not going to
47:12
know. Nobody's going to know if you're
47:13
not making yourself accessible to some degree, you know, how
47:18
are you going to know? You either got you got to go to
47:20
the meet ups, you got to find the community, you got to be
47:22
there in person to connect with those people.
47:28
Adam, I feel like you've probably seen enough of that or.
47:31
Good. Portion of that to to to to
47:33
weigh in on it if you wanted to because you've.
47:36
Well, yeah, like I started my journey 20 years ago and the
47:42
group that I was with, they disbanded quite quickly.
47:47
I spent the next, I don't know, 17 years or so as a sole
47:53
practitioner. I would go to events that when
47:58
I, when I knew there were events around or people would invite
48:00
me, I'd go to their events. And then I found Raisin Moon
48:04
Hearth and and felt like I was at home these that that was
48:08
where I need to be at. So I joined them and since
48:14
joined them. Of course, we now have the THL
48:17
or the Tennessee Heating Leader Group I.
48:21
Can't hear you guys though. Yeah, Patrick, go ahead and go
48:24
ahead and just drop and then rejoin, yeah.
48:30
But I, I, I saw that there the original intent was one thing
48:39
and I've tried to change it to something else and, and include
48:43
everybody in it. Matter of fact, you're one of
48:46
one of the members of the Tennessee Heaton's leader group
48:51
to try to build community. So people like I believe his
48:55
name was Voodoo. So he would have, it would be
49:00
such a voodoo Viking wouldn't be in a online community.
49:06
He could actually still have the community outside of whatever he
49:10
was doing. I mean, you will find it.
49:14
I online there are people that that know what they're talking
49:22
about and then there's people that believe they know what
49:26
they're talking about. And to know the difference
49:28
online, you you can't get the same yeah, as you would with
49:33
with something like an Amperson meeting.
49:40
Right now he's saying too like that, you know, and I know who
49:44
this, who Voodoo Viking is. We, we, we talk outside of, of,
49:49
of the, the YouTube space, like, you know, I know where they're
49:52
located. But it's like what he's saying
49:54
is, you know, it's like you want me for all.
49:58
It's like all you want me for is to get something off of me and
50:02
just throw money at me. But not, not a commute, But not
50:07
was it communer? Communer.
50:10
Yeah, communer. Like, WTF?
50:12
Like, what the hell? It just, I'll just stay alone
50:16
and drink my own product. It's like.
50:17
So I guess there's this, there's a sentiment or feeling of being
50:20
taken advantage of because if you provide a service, you
50:24
provide something that is a, you know, like you're providing a
50:31
service to a community and all they want to do is take
50:33
advantage of that service or those goods.
50:35
Welcome back, Patrick. Yeah, and, and thank you.
50:39
Unfortunately, I, I, I feel for I feel for him because that is
50:44
kind of some for a better lack of the term BSI mean we all have
50:50
our our specialties. And if his specialty is making
50:53
me, then they should be willing to not only trying to think of
51:03
the correct word, not not well. Basically not only pay him for
51:06
the meat, but be willing to to consume it with him to to have
51:10
fellowship because otherwise it's just give.
51:13
Something back you. Know yeah, give something back.
51:16
I mean, hey, man, that's that's great.
51:19
Me. Yeah, that that works for so
51:21
long. But then after a while, it's why
51:23
do I even try kind of a mentality.
51:26
And unfortunately that that does hurt one's spiritual outlook on
51:32
things because it's like, well, you guys are just using me for
51:36
this and I don't want to be used for this.
51:42
Yeah, yeah. You have a skill set and then
51:45
other people are are taking advantage of it, but they're not
51:47
contributing. There's no reciprocity.
51:50
And that's the beauty of, of Heathenry is that there's this
51:52
understanding and there's this, there's this shared
51:55
understanding of reciprocity. The gift cycle goes both ways.
52:00
You don't give something, you don't get something without
52:02
wanting to give something. And then the, the, the, the, the
52:05
reciprocal party, the receiving party knows that I don't receive
52:09
what I've been given without a gift in return.
52:12
Case in point, I got a tattoo back at the, you know, early
52:17
part of November, which was pro bono.
52:20
It was a gift. It was, it was a gift from the
52:22
tattoo owner of the tattoo shop owner.
52:26
Shout out to free spirit tattoo Greg Allison down there and
52:28
outside of Huntsville in Green Haven.
52:31
Like it's green, green Hazel, green Hazel Alabama, you know,
52:36
but they, they did a tattoo for me and, and you know, I walked
52:39
out of the shop and my, my wife, you know, we, they wanted a, a
52:44
piece of merchandise, a shirt. But, but anyway, like we did the
52:48
tattoo and I did a podcast. My wife wanted a shirt and I
52:52
couldn't provide monetary money to, to give in exchange for
52:56
that, But I provided a rune set, right?
52:58
I understood the reciprocity that was there like a gift for a
53:03
gift. This is, this is basic heathen
53:06
values. These are basic heathen
53:08
understanding of things and, and let's face it, the world at
53:11
large, gentlemen like the world at large doesn't operate in this
53:15
mentality. This is a, this is a pretty
53:17
secular kind of view of the world when we talk about these
53:21
sorts of things, unfortunately so.
53:25
The border system. Yeah, yeah, this for that, You
53:28
know, quid pro quo voodoo Viking also says that it's like, all
53:34
you want for me is to get something off of me.
53:36
Yeah, I'm sorry, I already had that comment.
53:40
Sorry guys, let me let me jump over here to Wild Heathen
53:43
Wolfpack's comment. From my travels.
53:46
I've observed from the building slash finding that either tribes
53:50
are extremely tight knit and usually don't let outsiders in
53:55
or the cautionary tale of horror stories of bad tribes, heathen,
54:05
wild heathen Wolfpack. They are, they are based out of
54:08
Alaska. So this is a really interesting
54:10
comment. I'm I'm gonna talk more a bit
54:11
about this on this podcast. I mentioned this early on and
54:14
and we're deep into the podcast now.
54:16
So just for people's awareness, wild heathen Wolfpack, they
54:19
operate out of out of Alaska. And I was cordially invited to
54:23
attend the Heathen Days and Pagan Nights festival up in
54:29
Salcha, AK next year in 2025, which is I think close to or
54:35
around outside of the Fairbanks, AK area.
54:39
So I get to go and I get, I get to talk about heathen stuff.
54:42
I get to, I get to produce a podcast, I get to talk about
54:45
things and I get to, you know, maybe do a class or two with
54:49
these folks up there. But they've got a community and,
54:52
and even up in this remote area, they're, they're, they're seeing
54:54
some of the same stuff that Adam area.
54:56
They're they're they're seeing some of the same stuff that Adam
54:59
let me go ahead and mute Patrick.
55:06
Sorry about that folks, but anyways, pretty.
55:09
Good. Hey, Patrick, you there?
55:13
Yeah, I'm here. OK, Yep, sorry about that.
55:15
We had a little bit of audio feedback, so apologies for that.
55:18
But yeah, anyway, so they're, they're seeing stuff similar to
55:20
what we see here in, in a very close knit community area up in,
55:24
in a very remote area as well, where, you know, they're either
55:27
extremely tight knit or they're cautionary.
55:30
You know, they, they, they, they, they, they kind of stay
55:33
outside of, of, of things and, and keep things.
55:35
I was like I mentioned before, I don't know if you were here, but
55:37
I mentioned like there, there there seems to be more of a, of
55:41
a, of an effort at times to build walls instead of extending
55:46
tables and lengthening tables. You know, we see this what's
55:54
happening in in in places even outside of our immediate area up
55:58
in Alaska. Not my hall, not my call, says
56:00
Matthew. Sarah Skull that works is
56:04
greeting Adam. And I want to catch a comment
56:08
from Joshua Bright Spirit, who says that in those even small
56:14
instances of conflict or difference, especially online
56:18
people, instead of looking to grow, learn or develop, we tend
56:23
to sell it all short with quote UN quote, someone must be right
56:28
or someone must also be wrong. You guys care to comment on
56:33
that? Yeah, I, I will.
56:37
This whole, this whole like I'm right, you're wrong, you're
56:39
there right, you're wrong, like I'm.
56:42
It's you're not going to make any progress as the person or as
56:47
the tribe thinking that way, because going back to what we
56:51
knew we knew were discussing Jesse is progress and
56:54
achievements and setbacks and life in general.
56:58
It's not at anyone collective pace.
57:01
It's at an individual pace. Like there might be certain
57:06
members of a tribe, let's say a hypothetical tribe that doesn't
57:09
exist. Si gets it, Joe doesn't, but Joe
57:15
still still very much connected and wants to reciprocate.
57:21
Does it make him any lesser? No, He's still growing and
57:25
learning, developing. This is the other part, you
57:29
know, it's, it's yeah, that's I'm struggling to find the right
57:35
words to say, but just. Yeah, it's it's fully hard to
57:37
say it was right or wrong. It's just a learning process, an
57:41
experience. Well, something I've said to to
57:49
several people, because I've had dealings with that here most
57:54
more recently than not, is I feel like everybody should
57:59
remember that there's three sides to a story.
58:03
There's person A side, person B side and then the truth, but
58:10
person A and person B need to feel need to be able to come to
58:14
some kind of heartfelt understanding.
58:22
Yes, for a better lack of the word.
58:24
Thank you. Thank you, Patrick.
58:25
Understanding so that they can still grow together just for and
58:31
when I say this, please Patrick, I'm going to pick on you for
58:34
just a little bit. That's fine, give it.
58:37
To me, me, me and Jesse like Ozzy Osbourne, You don't.
58:42
You don't. You don't prefer Ozzy.
58:47
But guess what? Just because you don't like Ozzy
58:49
doesn't mean we can't still go to a heat on concert or a
58:55
wardrobe concert or go just have a go to a local bar and have a
59:01
beer. It doesn't mean we can't do
59:03
that. Everybody's going to have a
59:05
difference. And OK, you don't like Ozzy, for
59:10
example, that doesn't make you wrong, doesn't make you right.
59:14
I like him doesn't make me wrong, right.
59:16
And that's what people need to realize is there's always we're
59:20
going to have indifferences no matter what.
59:23
And even in our own crimes, we can have indifferences, but does
59:26
not mean that we still cannot grow and grow our community,
59:31
grow our spiritual, our spiritual lives, our friendships
59:38
can't grow or they can still grow just because we have
59:42
differences. That's what makes us human is
59:44
the differences that we have. It's actually kind of beautiful
59:48
in a way. It's it's awesome having
59:50
different opinions because like, you know, Jesse mean, you share
59:53
music out on occasion. Sometimes you share something I
59:57
don't care for or vice versa, and sometimes you share
1:00:01
something with me I never heard before just because I never
1:00:05
heard of them. I'm not going to give it a harp.
1:00:07
No, no, of course not going to get a bit.
1:00:09
Give it a chance. You never know unless you try
1:00:12
within reason, of course, with certain things and people, but
1:00:15
you know, it's just within reason.
1:00:17
But yeah, it's just you got to try it before you knock it.
1:00:22
For the most part though, just in my Shaker world, like.
1:00:29
Gegaldeer, Jesse the The One song.
1:00:36
I can't think of the name of it though.
1:00:41
Which one is it now? The The.
1:00:42
One with the burning. Allergies.
1:00:46
Yeah, but who was it, Geldeer? Yeah, yeah, yeah 'cause you did
1:00:53
a podcast with them once. Oh, you're talking about
1:00:57
Volusia? Thank you, Baluspa.
1:01:00
It was. It's taken my mind, yeah.
1:01:02
Yeah, Baluspa. Oh, OK.
1:01:04
I I never would have discovered them until you brought them to
1:01:07
my attention. And ever since you did, I'm
1:01:09
like, hey, Jesse, Jesse, Jesse, Here's another, you know, link
1:01:14
to the song. Yeah.
1:01:19
Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, look.
1:01:20
It's, you know, music is one thing.
1:01:22
Practices are another thing. It's like we were talking
1:01:25
earlier before about, you know, a heathen and this is where we
1:01:32
get into the weeds a bit. You know, my tribes approach to
1:01:37
when we celebrate Yule, we collectively agree to celebrate
1:01:41
Yule following a historical pre Christian observance of the
1:01:48
reckoning of time. So we will do that next month.
1:01:55
Now is anybody else that is choosing to observe their
1:02:00
yuletide now for the next 12 nights, are they wrong?
1:02:05
Well, what does wrong really mean?
1:02:06
You know, are, are you trying to say that they're not heathen for
1:02:09
doing so? I mean, I'm not going to sit
1:02:12
here and say that because who am I right?
1:02:15
If you want to say that it is old ways heathen believes to do
1:02:21
so, that is factually incorrect. It's factually wrong because the
1:02:27
pre Christian Edens did a three night Yule celebration.
1:02:30
You know, at the the the the time and whence they did it.
1:02:34
But I'm not going to split hairs with one group in my region or
1:02:39
in my area that wants to do a 12 night Yule celebration around
1:02:44
this time of year versus the other group that wants to do a
1:02:47
more historical view or approach to it.
1:02:50
I'm not going to split hairs and divide myself with them because
1:02:53
of that. Like that's, that's dumb.
1:02:56
That's stupid. Like do what you want to do in
1:03:00
your own way. Like, but you know, so and, and
1:03:04
it goes back to if I ultimately think about, like you think
1:03:08
about the downfall of Heathenry when it all happened, how it all
1:03:13
happened. You go back thousands and
1:03:16
thousands of years and you and you look at the reason why
1:03:20
Heathenry in continental dramatic lands in northern
1:03:27
Europe. Why did it, why did it die?
1:03:30
Why did it fizzle out? Why was it extinguished?
1:03:34
It was because there was no unity.
1:03:36
There was no confederation. There was no sense of let's band
1:03:41
together, let's join together and let's be the thing that
1:03:45
needs to be the thing to keep us going.
1:03:49
There was influence of money, there was influence of land.
1:03:54
There was influence of position, title, right.
1:03:57
You go back 1015, hundred years ago.
1:04:00
When when you know, Charlemagne was was was wiping people out.
1:04:06
The Franks were going through and they were they were doing
1:04:08
what they were doing. It was abandoned.
1:04:10
Your heathen ways be baptized into the church become Christian
1:04:16
and you will get title, you will get land, you will get nobility.
1:04:19
You will get all these things right.
1:04:21
And it was this, it was the tangible NUM NUM NUM NUM NUM
1:04:25
money, right? All these beautiful things that
1:04:27
they could and they and and they and they, they said, OK, forget
1:04:32
it. Forget, forget the, the, the
1:04:35
full moon blessings, forget the keeping of our holy tides and
1:04:40
sacred grows. Forget all that they did it for
1:04:43
the almighty dollar as as it as it were at the time.
1:04:46
A lot of them did. There were some that that
1:04:48
resisted and there were some that that said, you know, no,
1:04:51
we're going to fight. You know, Wittican was, was was
1:04:54
one of the last Saxon heathen heroes that said, no, I'm not
1:04:57
going to, I'm not gonna do that or we're gonna fight.
1:05:02
But he didn't have an he didn't have allies.
1:05:06
So, yeah, not that we're facing the same thing nowadays, but
1:05:13
there's, there's something of of that nature to be reminded of.
1:05:22
Voodoo Vikings says that people easily love respect for each
1:05:25
other. People easily lose respect for
1:05:31
each other is what I have to say is the largest factor in such
1:05:35
cases. I'm going to meet a couple of
1:05:41
people here because I'm getting a lot of feet right now.
1:05:54
And then Bright Spirit says that it's the wedge in accessing a
1:05:58
lot of community and again, especially online, that
1:06:02
communication breakdown is discussing what we believe and
1:06:08
having lost the ability to be humbly right or humbly wrong for
1:06:14
the sake of growth toward that community dynamic.
1:06:22
Humbly right and humbly wrong. That's a tough place for a lot
1:06:27
of us, I think, to get to, you know, because we're not always
1:06:32
right. What what is right, what is
1:06:34
wrong, you know, on the community scale.
1:06:46
I don't know, Adam. What do you think?
1:06:53
My personal belief is we are all humble in some way.
1:07:00
Now, the humble right or the humble wrong, it's neither to
1:07:04
me. That's neither here nor there.
1:07:05
We're to almost to be a good leader in this, in this
1:07:13
community, you have to be humble.
1:07:18
You have to to know, you know, yeah, you may be right on
1:07:22
something, but you may be wrong on something else.
1:07:26
And to keep yourself humble and to, to see that is how you would
1:07:32
work to build everything to, to, to build not only yourself worth
1:07:38
inside the community, but inside your own tribe, inside your own
1:07:43
home. And you know, at your own
1:07:46
workplace. Even so, as as like he says, you
1:07:54
know, you have to be humble for the sake of growing a growth
1:07:59
towards that community dynamic. Yeah, I think humility is one of
1:08:06
these things that gets. I mean, it's, it's, I don't want
1:08:12
to say necessarily forgotten, but when, when a leader is put
1:08:25
into a position, hopefully the am I, the way I see it, you
1:08:29
know, is hopefully that, that that leader is, is voted or, or
1:08:33
believed to be put into a position of leadership based
1:08:37
upon the needs of the people, right.
1:08:39
So it's not something that is just arbitrarily bestowed upon
1:08:42
oneself to, to do. It is based around the deeds,
1:08:51
the vote of confidence, right? Like, yeah, the deeds of that
1:08:53
person, but also the people that are in that community to see
1:08:57
like, hey, this person who I see as, as right and, and good to
1:09:03
serve in that position of, of leadership that they, they,
1:09:08
they, that they do carry a sense of humility in that role of
1:09:14
leadership. There's also a need, I feel that
1:09:19
the, the people who have joined that community, who are a part
1:09:26
of that community, who have, who have given this person the, the,
1:09:30
the, the, the position of leadership.
1:09:33
There is a sense of humility upon the people as well.
1:09:36
To, to trust. Like the burden of trust lies on
1:09:39
the leader, right? I need to give you reason to
1:09:41
trust me. I need to give you a reason to,
1:09:44
to to to believe what I say is what it is or are they what they
1:09:47
whatever, right. I understand that.
1:09:52
Do you think and, and, and is there do, do, do, do, have you
1:09:57
seen perhaps that there is a, an act of defiance amongst the
1:10:06
others that say, no, I don't like what you're saying and
1:10:09
therefore I'm going to do defy leadership.
1:10:12
It's like, hey, you know, you know what, you can defy it all
1:10:14
you want. You, you may not like it, but,
1:10:16
but does that give you the right to, to, to usurp the leadership?
1:10:22
And, and you know, and maybe I'm getting in and maybe I'm getting
1:10:24
into some stuff that's just like, I don't know, like I'm not
1:10:33
trying to say that the leader is the ultimate authority on
1:10:35
things. I think there should be, what's
1:10:38
the word I'm looking for? There should be this consensus.
1:10:41
Yeah, like an elder or or elder. Like.
1:10:44
Yeah, like it's not, it's, it's not a dictatorship, you know
1:10:47
what I'm saying? Like it's not one person's say
1:10:49
so it's, it's it they're. But when the leaders converge
1:10:53
and when the leaders, you know, unite and, and they make a
1:10:58
decision on something, well, then if those are your leaders,
1:11:01
then by golly, that's what you stand by.
1:11:05
You, you, you have aligned yourself with the leaders that
1:11:08
you yourself believe to be in that position to do things for
1:11:12
the best interest of the people. And if they're failing, there
1:11:17
needs to be a process there. There needs to be a, there needs
1:11:20
to be steps to, to, to correct or, or, or to course correct,
1:11:24
you know, because like you say, you know, not everybody's
1:11:26
perfect. And then then there's going to
1:11:27
be errors that get made. But to just arbitrarily just be
1:11:31
like uproot and and create this like mutiny as it were in in a
1:11:36
community just because I don't like what somebody says, like I
1:11:38
don't, I don't think that's the way to go either.
1:11:41
Personally. Yeah, we can hear you, Patrick.
1:11:46
Sorry, buddy cowboy on YouTube says it's definitely a pride for
1:11:51
some people throughout the community.
1:11:52
A pride issue. Absolutely I.
1:11:55
Mean. Too many chiefs, not enough
1:11:59
Indians, as they say. Or as the saying goes.
1:12:04
Well, yeah, like I was just reminded a lot, there's a lot of
1:12:11
conflict resolution that's not being taken care of inside the
1:12:15
the community or inside the the the tribes.
1:12:21
And when that, that's when you have your main issue is when the
1:12:26
tribes cannot talk and come up with their own resolution.
1:12:31
That's when they start to fall apart, their own resolution.
1:12:33
That's when they. Start to fall.
1:12:42
Yeah. I feel like that's an important
1:12:43
thing too, is if, you know, you have members or individuals of
1:12:49
separate sovereign tribes infringing upon one another, you
1:12:53
know what I mean? Like handle your own business,
1:12:56
handle your own stuff, you know, yeah, I, I'm, I'm not in a
1:13:03
position to, you know, I'm not in a position to, to, to
1:13:15
infringe upon the sovereignty of Raven Moon Hearth.
1:13:20
We'll just use as, as an example.
1:13:22
And, and just like Raven Moonhart's not in a position to
1:13:25
infringe upon the sovereignty of Maya, you know, the liberty
1:13:29
folk, you know, the tribe that I'm, that I'm associated with.
1:13:32
And two, so if, if, if there's a conflict or there's a, you know,
1:13:37
something that that is happening, handle your shit,
1:13:42
right? Handle your own business.
1:13:43
And that's the beauty of what sovereignty of tribe to me means
1:13:47
is that you're, you're, you're. And I, I think that's also a, a
1:13:51
big problem too, because it, I think that, that, that groups
1:13:54
are being formed and, and maybe established without that,
1:14:02
without that structure, right? They, they, they're not able to,
1:14:05
to, to handle their own stuff internally.
1:14:08
And so when all these other outside influences are, are, are
1:14:13
out there, it's, it's well, you know, this person said this,
1:14:17
that or the other or, you know. Oh, oh, believe me, I understand
1:14:24
wholeheartedly what you're saying.
1:14:28
I, I see it like I call it man I I, I, I say it like I see it
1:14:32
Voodoo Viking says, you know, don't air your dirty laundry.
1:14:36
I, I think that's, that's fair too.
1:14:39
Godfrey beer on on Facebook is what's he doing?
1:14:43
What's what's Godfrey bear? Oh yeah, Sorry I'm late.
1:14:45
Was playing with dinosaurs. Well, cool man.
1:14:47
Enjoy the dinosaurs. But yeah, I'm going to I'm going
1:14:56
to do, I'm going to take a quick recess.
1:14:59
I'm going to pause for just a minute to do a bathroom break.
1:15:02
We'll, we'll keep the live stream going.
1:15:04
Adam, you're willing. You're you're welcome to stay if
1:15:06
you want. I'm going to just do a quick,
1:15:08
you know, minute or two break. So for, for folks that are
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1:15:21
We'll be back in just a minute or two after a quick bathroom
1:15:24
break. Adam, like I said, you're
1:15:25
willing, you're, you're welcome to stay if you're willing or
1:15:27
wanting to. You're under no obligation to do
1:15:30
so whatsoever, but we can. Concentrate, you had me on.
1:15:34
Yeah, I appreciate you being here, brother.
1:15:36
So yeah, we're going to take a quick break, listen to the some
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music in the background while we do a quick bath and break, and
1:15:42
we'll pick up our conversation when we get back.
1:15:44
So thank you all for tuning in and watching, and we'll be back
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shortly. The.
1:17:06
The. The.
1:18:37
All right, folks, we're back. Thank you for the brief
1:18:41
intermission slash break and welcome back to Adam and
1:18:54
everybody else. And maybe Patrick will rejoin,
1:18:58
Not sure, but yeah. So, yeah, you know, I don't
1:19:09
know, man. Like semantics.
1:19:12
I, I guess, you know, boils down to, to, to semantics.
1:19:15
Welcome back to you. Skaldic works as well.
1:19:18
Thanks for for commenting there. Yeah, we're still here.
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We're still we're still broadcasting live for the Season
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1:21:49
Godfrey Baer and Matthew Sarah has quite a a a comment to
1:21:53
share. Matthew Sarah has a question
1:21:56
about the Bates here. I have a a room in his house
1:22:03
that I really hate entering because every fiber in my being
1:22:08
is telling me quote, UN quote, get out.
1:22:11
This is an old house that used to be a doctor's office 50 years
1:22:15
ago. People have died here and it's
1:22:18
known to be quote UN quote haunted.
1:22:22
Things have been seen and heard and felt.
1:22:26
Is it hypocritical for me to venerate Lanvatier on holidays
1:22:32
like Desa Bloat but not feel good about being in this room?
1:22:42
Well, I think the the operative question here is, is it
1:22:47
hypocritical for me to venerate Landviteer on holidays but not
1:22:55
feel good about being in the room?
1:23:05
I don't know, Adam, do you have a, do you have anything you
1:23:07
wanna after seeing that or, or or thinking about that, do you
1:23:10
have anything that you wanna add about, you know, land spirits,
1:23:13
local spirits, your interaction with, with, with such in the
1:23:19
context of this sort of dynamic wherein a local spirit seems to
1:23:27
or or appears to be in a a very like the nature of, of, of
1:23:37
taking control of the area. Like this is Myspace, get out.
1:23:41
Like you're not welcome here, that sort of thing.
1:23:46
If that makes any sense. Yeah, it does.
1:23:51
I cannot say I've personally had any experiences like that.
1:23:59
I I That's a tough one. Yeah, these types of things tend
1:24:04
to be tough because again, with, with, with space, with land,
1:24:09
with, with shared space. You know, a lot of times what
1:24:15
can happen is the, the, the spirit of the place or the
1:24:21
spirit of, of the land around it can take up residency and be
1:24:27
quite the, the, the, the force to be reckoned with from a
1:24:33
heathen perspective. Land is claimed space is claimed
1:24:42
to be under the, the, the auspices of the, the, the, the,
1:24:48
the person claiming it or, or the people claiming it through
1:24:52
the use of fire. OK, so sacred space land, you
1:24:59
know, if, if you're going to try to, to, to, to set space as
1:25:03
being your own or, or under the auspices of your own, fire
1:25:09
should be present from a heathen perspective.
1:25:13
You should walk the space, the the, the barriers, the perimeter
1:25:17
of of the land or of the space with fire.
1:25:20
And that could be a torch, that could be a candle, that could be
1:25:23
any, any iteration or existence of fire.
1:25:28
I think especially in modern times, some places, you know, it
1:25:31
may not, it may not be prudent or safe to carry a torch in an
1:25:35
apartment, but a candle work right 'cause it's fire and, and
1:25:42
to and to declare the space as, as as such.
1:25:45
All right, now it's a now if it's a if it's a if it's the
1:25:50
nature of the spirit who resides there and who exists there is
1:25:54
malevolent, then it might require the, the help of, of, of
1:26:02
someone who is a bit more in tune with the spirit realm.
1:26:05
So maybe a Givia or a Gothi or someone who is a practitioner of
1:26:10
save right? The the the shaman esque type
1:26:15
equivalent, someone who can communicate with the spirit
1:26:19
realm a bit better. So if there's a challenge there
1:26:25
to, to, to set space to, to, to declare space through the use of
1:26:29
fire. If you, if you're being pushed
1:26:30
back with that spirit's presence, then you might want to
1:26:36
consider employing or or incorporating aid or the use of
1:26:41
of someone who is is more in tune with the realm to do that.
1:26:46
But in terms of the question, is it hypocritical to venerate land
1:26:55
vetir on holidays? You don't feel good about it.
1:27:00
I, I, I think if you're, if you're infringing upon native
1:27:04
spirits, if you're infringing upon the native spirits
1:27:15
activity, you know, if, if, if they feel that they have
1:27:19
precedence over the land or over the space, then you might need
1:27:23
to again, incorporate the, the the aid of, of someone else to,
1:27:28
to cleanse that space. I've only ever worked in in
1:27:35
space that is benevolent. So I, I've not been needed or,
1:27:42
or or I've not been asked to, to step into spaces of, of a
1:27:48
malevolent nature. Nature.
1:27:49
This seems like your situation is incorporate or or inhabited
1:27:56
by a spirit of of malevolent intent.
1:28:01
You know, intent. So trying to do anything or
1:28:06
trying to behave in any way that is of a venerative nature
1:28:10
towards either the DCR, meaning your, your, your female
1:28:13
ancestors or the Alfader, your, your, your male ancestors or
1:28:17
anything like that could be met with opposition because they
1:28:21
have a strong presence there. And so if they're not welcome
1:28:26
and they're not needed and then not wanted there, they need to
1:28:31
be told as such and they need to be moved out.
1:28:37
The land number book, which is an Icelandic source of, of, you
1:28:41
know, the book of settlers in in Iceland.
1:28:47
So when the Norwegians moved and, and settled in Iceland,
1:28:49
there, there there's some information in that source that
1:28:54
that might give you some again, inspiration on the claiming and
1:28:59
the taking of land. It it's rife with the use of
1:29:03
fire. So fire is a good way to, to
1:29:07
claim space and to claim land. So is it hypocritical?
1:29:14
I don't, I don't necessarily know that that's the, the, the
1:29:17
right term that I would incorporate in, in my own way.
1:29:21
It wouldn't fit right to me. Like, you know, if there, if
1:29:23
there's another force or another spirit that is existing there
1:29:27
and you're trying to, to, to venerate or do things that are
1:29:29
meaningful to you through the, you know, with your D Seer or
1:29:33
your alpha, you might not get the results you're looking for
1:29:38
if they're, if the space is inhabited by another spirit.
1:29:49
Bring me back a T-shirt. Oh, when I go to Alaska, hey,
1:29:52
I'll see what I can do, right? We're still a little bit ways
1:29:55
out. When is the Alaska trip?
1:29:59
Godfrey Berry? It is August 30th through
1:30:02
September 2nd. So it's, it's the end of August
1:30:05
into the beginning of September. It's that like, you know, that
1:30:07
Labor Day weekend of the American holiday, I'd help, but
1:30:14
probably too far away from the northern forest.
1:30:16
No, I'm telling you like the help that you can do.
1:30:19
You don't have to be geographically close to me.
1:30:22
The, the, the $1.00 pledge. If you want to, to, to pledge
1:30:26
your support at, at, you know, the Carl tier, that $1.00 pledge
1:30:30
helps because that, that's going to help with, with, with, with
1:30:39
travel expenses and, and everything about that.
1:30:45
Voodoo Vikings has had a similar situation a few months ago.
1:30:48
Just let it be, let them be content.
1:30:51
Then my brother decided to bring Catholic imagery and symbols in
1:30:56
and it pissed them off and told them not to do it.
1:31:00
Yeah, I mean, they're like that, you know, when you're talking,
1:31:06
you know, the, the, the, the, the physical plane, the
1:31:08
spiritual plane, like these are all these are all beings that
1:31:11
exist in profane space. So us, me, you, Adam, right.
1:31:16
We, we are physical beings that exist in profane space.
1:31:19
The spirit realm also exists in profane space.
1:31:22
They they exceed and experience things maybe in a different
1:31:25
degree, but in the same space. There's profane space, there's
1:31:29
sacred space. And, and these deities, they are
1:31:33
these these beings, these entities that exist in spirit
1:31:37
form in profane space might respond differently to certain
1:31:48
imagery, to certain symbology, you know, So, yeah, that's the
1:31:58
thing. I don't know if you if you've
1:31:59
ever experienced anything like that, Adam.
1:32:04
No, Connie Watson on Facebook says Carcilia powder.
1:32:17
Oh, she's given us a bit of a spell here, or they're giving us
1:32:20
a bit of a spell here. So we got egg shells, Dragon's
1:32:24
blood resin, which I love to burn.
1:32:26
It's a great insect repellent, smells great, but it's also good
1:32:30
just to burn as as an insta repellent.
1:32:33
Rose petals, Jasmine flowers, Grind it up, put it in your
1:32:37
hand, blow it to the room and it's like Xanax for ghosts.
1:32:43
Well, if you say so, I don't know.
1:32:48
Can't say or confirm or deny. But if you say so I you know, if
1:32:56
you're sharing that the then then then great, give it a try,
1:33:00
folks. I mean, I don't know, I can't.
1:33:04
This is nothing heathen. This is nothing.
1:33:05
This thing inherently heathen. So this this is folklore era,
1:33:10
you know, or folk folklore level type stuff, You know, egg
1:33:13
shells, Dragon's blood resin mix this thing that and the other.
1:33:16
This is kitchen witch one O 1 type stuff, right Adam?
1:33:23
Yeah, I, I. I was going to say if he had a,
1:33:25
if he knew anybody from the Wiccan community asked them to
1:33:28
go in and yeah, and perform a, a say a cleansing ritual and get
1:33:33
them. Which, yeah, I mean, it seems to
1:33:37
be predominant what, what what's available out there.
1:33:39
But I think that, you know, if, if Connie's mentioning this
1:33:43
with, with all the good intention behind it, I mean, if,
1:33:45
if it's if it's folklore related, you know, if it's
1:33:48
regional, I mean, if it works, it works.
1:33:50
So what's the harm in trying it? I don't know.
1:33:54
I can't speak too much on that. Voodoo Viking says that.
1:34:00
Oh, so so this is going back to the whole introduction of a
1:34:03
Catholic symbology. They argued saying that in
1:34:07
Christ you have power. Then I the sink turned on.
1:34:16
Oh, then the sink turned on full blast.
1:34:19
So there's there's obviously a or there's seemingly a an
1:34:22
obvious reference to to invoking Christ into the ritual in which
1:34:29
point the spirit responded in the negative, perhaps with the
1:34:34
turning on of appliances, demons in the house, demons, you know,
1:34:48
whatever label, whatever name you want to put to it.
1:34:54
Hope to see you in the spring when I get an empty out.
1:34:56
Yeah. Godfrey Berry.
1:34:57
Yeah. If you get out and about and
1:34:58
you're in the area of Tennessee, let me know.
1:35:03
Can you spell the name of that book?
1:35:06
Yeah. And there's Randy.
1:35:09
I'm I'm catching up on some on some comments.
1:35:12
They're so sorry. Randy, if you're still here, I
1:35:15
hope Halen and hello to you. But yes, Matthew P Matthew Sarah
1:35:22
Land Nama book. I will give you the spelling of
1:35:33
it in the comments. Boom, there you go.
1:35:42
Look, look up, look up the La Nama book again, it means just
1:35:49
book of settlers. You can find it on YouTube or
1:35:56
no, sorry, YouTube. You can find it on Amazon.
1:35:58
It's it's accessible there. So yeah, there you go All right,
1:36:09
skull that works. I think the best way or the best
1:36:13
that we to deal with malevolent revenants would be to understand
1:36:20
why they are as such and try to make peace with them.
1:36:24
If they refuse to do so, then it's time to send them on their
1:36:27
way. And intention is key.
1:36:38
Yeah, I want ghosts that will do my dishes, Connie.
1:36:47
Fold the laundry, sweep the floors, mop the, mop the, you
1:36:51
know, mop the floors, do all the house chores.
1:36:53
Like, wouldn't that be great? Wouldn't wouldn't that be great
1:36:56
if we had whites or Vaits here that could just do it all for
1:36:59
us? Don't forget mow the grass.
1:37:05
Mow the grass, you know, chop the wood, you know, Do all.
1:37:12
Do all the sundry things, do all the sundry chores, but I don't
1:37:16
know, man, like, I feel like this is like one of those
1:37:18
things. I, you know, I, I, I can't say
1:37:20
right, wrong or indifferent. This comment, you know, best way
1:37:23
to deal with malevolent revenants is to try to
1:37:27
understand them. I don't know.
1:37:31
They, they, they exist in, in, in, in a, in a, in a space and
1:37:35
time. That is is.
1:37:36
Sure, it's profane space, but it's spirit.
1:37:46
Yeah, like, why are they, why are they trying to, yeah, go to
1:37:49
work for us? Yeah.
1:37:50
Why are they, why are they being malevolent?
1:37:52
Why are they being disruptive? Right.
1:37:56
These haunting type forces, most of what we see from like
1:38:02
Scandinavian sources of, of, of malevolent spirits are like the
1:38:07
drauger, you know, the, the, the spirits of the dead that, that
1:38:12
weren't given proper burial rites.
1:38:14
And, and, and so they, they exist in spirit form as
1:38:19
malevolent beings to be disruptive to the living.
1:38:25
They, they, they scare them, they, they, they, they are
1:38:28
generally disruptive, sometimes violent, you know, so, you know,
1:38:39
and then these are terms that exist in, again, in sources that
1:38:42
are not native to our land, you know, we're, we're, we're
1:38:46
talking, we're in, you know, North America, you know, So
1:38:49
Veithir, Draugur and, and all these things, they're, they're,
1:38:52
they're not native terms that, that are known to the spirits of
1:38:56
this land. I think.
1:39:01
And this is my personal opinion, you know, if you're going to try
1:39:05
to connect or try to, to, to find a remedy to something that
1:39:10
is native to the land that you live in, you need the people who
1:39:15
are native of the land to help with it, right?
1:39:19
So maybe it's the indigenous, native, First Nation peoples,
1:39:23
whatever. I mean, they're the ones that
1:39:28
are versed in that medicine. They know what they're doing
1:39:33
when it comes to dealing with these types of forces, with
1:39:37
these types of entities in their cultural practices.
1:39:41
So a rose by any other name is still a rose, right?
1:39:47
So whether you call it veytir, whether you call it white,
1:39:50
whether you call it spirit, whatever you, you know, it's
1:39:53
still the same thing. But if you're if you're trying
1:39:56
to extinguish or Vanquish. A foe on native territory.
1:40:03
Wouldn't you want to know what that native thing is that that
1:40:11
needs? Like what?
1:40:12
What it needs to be extinguished.
1:40:15
I got my, you know, and I got Adam here too because I'm like,
1:40:18
I don't know. I'm talking how you're just
1:40:20
like, I think you probably want to get native involvement with.
1:40:25
Native. Issues if it's it's if it's a if
1:40:29
if you're in Louisiana and you're in the swamps of of of
1:40:32
of, you know, Cajun countryman like you probably want some, you
1:40:37
know, local magic. You want, you probably want some
1:40:39
voodoo. You probably want some of, of
1:40:40
that magic, you know, to, to help with, with, to working
1:40:45
through, of things. If you're in, you know, other
1:40:48
indigenous lands of, of the North American continent in the
1:40:52
United States, the lower 48, you know, maybe connect with and
1:40:58
understand what those native, what that native medicine is to,
1:41:03
to, to deal with such things or to work through such things,
1:41:07
'cause we're not in, we're not in Scandinavia, we're not in
1:41:10
continental Europe. Like we're, we're, we're placing
1:41:14
names on things that are not indigenous to our land, calling
1:41:18
them Veitier and whites and such.
1:41:20
These are dramatic terms that are, that are native to lands
1:41:24
across a vast sea, you know, but again, a rose by, you know, the
1:41:31
name is still a rose. So you call it one thing, it's
1:41:35
still the same thing and just depends on where you're from.
1:41:44
Adam, what do you think? Well, I was in here thinking
1:41:50
about that. And while you're talking, I
1:41:51
mean, one thing that the gentleman could do is do more
1:41:57
research on the House and find out, you know, he said like 50
1:42:01
people had died in this house because it was a hospital at one
1:42:06
time. Look at the time framing of when
1:42:10
it was a hospital, you know, and like you said, then find the
1:42:16
local medicine or, you know, the the local spiritual worker that
1:42:22
dealt with that during that time.
1:42:27
Oh. Randy says that that goes to be
1:42:31
most welcome in his house. All right, Randy.
1:42:34
All right, So everybody, Randy, you commented here first send,
1:42:39
send it to send it to Randy's house.
1:42:43
Yeah, I I don't think his wife would appreciate that.
1:42:47
I love you, Randy. I love you, Randy, but I don't
1:42:49
know, you know? But I, I, I, I think maybe if
1:42:53
you did a little research, find out what happened to these
1:42:57
people, if it was natural causes or, or if something was actually
1:43:00
done wrong to them. They could be the third trying
1:43:05
to get somebody to say somebody was murdered inside the house
1:43:13
and they're they're trying to get somebody to solve this case.
1:43:17
Yeah, there's a like scald, it works.
1:43:19
Says maybe they want veneration of their own because they aren't
1:43:25
getting any. Like there's that attention to
1:43:28
kind of like what you just said, yeah, like, oh man, there's,
1:43:32
there's this thing that happened and Oh my gosh, you know, like
1:43:35
this happened here and I, I can't leave.
1:43:37
I can't be at rest. I can't, I can't, you know,
1:43:42
whatever until this whole problem is solved or this whole
1:43:45
situation is figured out. There's something tying them
1:43:49
still to this mortal realm and not allowing them to to, to pass
1:43:54
into the spirit realm. Yeah, yeah.
1:44:00
When in doubt, found a When in doubt, find a brown guy like me,
1:44:09
Godfrey Bear. You know, if that's what it
1:44:14
takes. So Cowboy on YouTube says so.
1:44:20
My friend got me a book called Odin's Chosen.
1:44:24
I haven't looked at it yet. What's your guy's input on it?
1:44:31
Odin's chosen. Never heard of it.
1:44:35
Neither have I. Don't know it, don't know her,
1:44:37
never heard of her. Here's the thing I feel like a
1:44:44
lot of people get, you know, they'll they'll jump on live
1:44:50
streams like this or the other, or they'll come into comment
1:44:52
sections and they'll ask about, Hey, what do you think about
1:44:54
this book, this thing that the other source or whatever.
1:44:58
Listen, I'm not an individual. I'm not a person that's going to
1:45:03
tell you to to not read something.
1:45:08
Go for it. If you want to read and you want
1:45:12
to learn something about something, just read it.
1:45:21
I mean, just do it. Like, I mean, I don't know,
1:45:25
Odin's chosen. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm doing a quick
1:45:30
online search and I'm not finding anything with that title
1:45:34
that suggests a red flag of any sort.
1:45:37
So I mean, they, and also bear in mind that a lot of
1:45:41
contemporary sources, which likely Odin's chosen is, is
1:45:49
going to be rife with UPG. OK, unverified personal gnosis.
1:45:54
They may include some historical sources of things throughout.
1:45:59
I don't know, 'cause I'd never heard of this source and I don't
1:46:02
know. But at this point, like, you
1:46:04
know, hey, if you, if you're, if you, if you were given this
1:46:08
book, read it and do your, do your own research.
1:46:12
Do your own. You know, if you read something
1:46:15
and it sounds interesting, find out about the validity of it
1:46:20
from perhaps a historical aspect.
1:46:22
I'm not telling you that that's the way you should always go
1:46:25
with things, because there's plenty of stuff that exists
1:46:27
within the UPG realm that is valid, but just realize that
1:46:31
there are plenty of authors that publish things trying to pitch
1:46:39
their UPG as fact or as historical background of things.
1:46:44
Don't buy into the and don't don't don't drink the kool-aid.
1:46:48
Don't get lost in the sauce. Do your own deal due diligence
1:46:53
with with it all. That would be my recommendation.
1:47:02
Skuldigworks says there's a timeline between spirits of the
1:47:04
house and land and spirits of past humans.
1:47:07
Yeah, sure, there's a timeline because again, there you know,
1:47:10
the, the existence of, of a family that lives in a space
1:47:15
versus the, the, you know, the, the spirit of the land that
1:47:20
exists or, or resides around the space.
1:47:26
You're gonna get, you're gonna find conflicting thoughts about
1:47:31
house spirits, Husvatir, Tomte, the gnomes, the, the, the, the,
1:47:36
the, the, the, the, the, the Husvatir.
1:47:39
Are you gonna find conflicting opinions and thoughts about
1:47:43
those spirits and whether those spirits reside with the home or
1:47:47
do they up and leave with the family that departs, or do they
1:47:50
stay there and this and that? I think most of that degree of
1:47:58
information resides in the folklore aspect of things.
1:48:03
I don't think that there's really anything universally or
1:48:05
even regionally covered yet that I know of that would, you know,
1:48:16
surround the, the, the general overview of spirits of the house
1:48:22
versus the land. There's there's a great source.
1:48:32
Hold on just a second. Let me find it.
1:49:28
None. OK, so sorry about that the this
1:49:33
author. Let me see if I can get it on
1:49:38
camera here. Probably not.
1:49:42
Nope, no word to Jesse. OK, anyway, it's called Demons
1:49:50
and Spirits of the Land, Ancestral Lore and Practices,
1:49:54
and it's by Claude Le CO2. Hold on, let me let me do this
1:50:00
right here in the comments. I'm going to post the name of
1:50:05
the book of the Land by Claude Le.
1:50:19
I don't speak French. They call to LECOUO
1:50:38
UT there we go. So let's see here.
1:51:02
Yeah, Demons and spirits of the land Claude Lecatu has done.
1:51:08
He has a great like look up the author.
1:51:10
Just look up Claude Lecatu Le Salton.
1:51:13
I don't know, I don't speak French, but look up that author
1:51:18
on Amazon and you'll find multiple books about folklore
1:51:23
and, and, and stuff regarding house whites, land whites, you
1:51:29
know, demons, spirits of the land, etcetera.
1:51:31
This guy is a great source for for understanding that sort of
1:51:36
thing on the folklore aspect of things.
1:51:46
So OK, let me go back to sorry, I'm trying to catch up on some
1:51:57
comments here. Let me go back up here.
1:52:07
This dish that didn't ghost. Oh, by the awesome true
1:52:22
alliance. Yeah, listen, cowboy on YouTube.
1:52:25
Awesome true alliance. I I, you know, look, they, they,
1:52:29
they tend to have an unsavory history if it's the same also
1:52:35
true alliance that I'm thinking of that has affiliations or
1:52:39
associations with Stephen Mcmowan.
1:52:41
But again, read what you want to read.
1:52:45
Research what you want to research.
1:52:46
Do your due diligence. Randy, Randy, Randy, Randy.
1:52:59
I'm on YouTube now. Send me the dish, Ghost, not the
1:53:03
evil 1. I don't know.
1:53:06
All right, Voodoo Viking says that goblins are good for doing
1:53:11
tasks for you. Just remember, they're chaotic
1:53:13
and naughty. OK, That's folklore.
1:53:16
Yeah. Yeah.
1:53:18
Put the name to the thing and and boom, there you go.
1:53:22
I don't know what the guy's situation is, but wouldn't it be
1:53:25
better to venerate the land Viteer outside?
1:53:31
OK, so this this this again goes back to the Germanic heathen
1:53:39
approach to veneration. It it it's widely believed and
1:53:46
it's widely understood and known that that the Germanic peoples
1:53:49
venerated their gods and their deities outdoors in sacred
1:53:52
Groves. Multiple sources support this.
1:54:00
So they, they were not an indoor sanctuary churchy, you know,
1:54:06
Hough assembly type people. They, they, they did their
1:54:11
religious practices and, and they venerated their spirits and
1:54:15
their deity outdoors in sacred Groves.
1:54:20
If you look at the, the, the, the, the desecration of sacred
1:54:25
sites like Donar's oak and the Edermansul by the Franks under
1:54:29
Charlemagne, the this, this reflects that these were, these
1:54:35
were direct acts of, of desecration to sacred sites in
1:54:42
history in continental dramatic lands where trees were cut down,
1:54:47
sacred trees like oak and ash. These these were trees of, of
1:54:51
their variety. The oak and the ash were, were,
1:54:54
were trees that were seen as sacred.
1:54:56
You know, so, so, so when the Franks came in under
1:54:58
Charlemagne's retinue, they, they, they, they, they would go
1:55:03
in and they would, or when they did desecrate these lands and in
1:55:08
these sacred sites, they were outdoors, trees and places that
1:55:13
were considered sacred to the Germanic tribes.
1:55:25
Yeah, Return of the Dead by Claude Likatu.
1:55:27
There's another one and I have it somewhere.
1:55:30
I just don't have it on my shelf.
1:55:31
I didn't want to step away too long, but there's another one by
1:55:34
Claude Likatu that has to do with the house spirits and
1:55:39
stuff. And it's, it's very good.
1:55:41
He's a good source. Please, if you're, if you're a
1:55:43
heathen looking to adopt and, and and practice very heathen
1:55:49
centric values and things of of of folklore, check out his
1:55:55
books. All right, Voodoo Viking gotta
1:56:00
go. Next live stream should be like
1:56:02
living in Seattle, NOLA to Seattle motorcycle road trip.
1:56:07
Well, that's a heck of a trick from New Orleans to Seattle,
1:56:11
dude. That's that's, that's a good
1:56:13
2000 miles or so. So safe travels to you and we'll
1:56:16
see you on the next one. Thank you for for being here.
1:56:21
Cowboy on YouTube says just right up on them.
1:56:23
Don't want anything to do with them.
1:56:24
Meaning the ASA true alliance. That's not at all what I
1:56:27
believe. So I'm staying clear of the ASA
1:56:30
true alliance. Listen, I don't disagree with
1:56:35
you on that. Good on you for for finding that
1:56:40
of yourself. But again, I'm not.
1:56:42
I'm not sitting here on my platform and in my space to try
1:56:45
to dissuade people from not finding information from certain
1:56:51
sources or not like you know, from finding it or not.
1:56:54
Do your due diligence understand right.
1:56:57
Like there's some unsavory things that get associated with
1:57:00
a lot of bigger national organizations, whether they are
1:57:06
the truth, whether they are the ASA true alliance, whether they
1:57:09
are the AFA, whether they are attack.
1:57:11
OK, there's, there's, there's plenty of of stuff that you
1:57:17
know, you'll you'll find that just is as unsavory in in all
1:57:20
regards. Take it or leave it.
1:57:28
Truth is truth. You know, truth is truth.
1:57:36
It doesn't exist under the banner of any color, creed or
1:57:41
belief. It just is what it is, right
1:57:45
Adam? Yes, Sir.
1:57:49
I mean I, I mean, you don't have to agree with me, but would
1:57:52
would. You say that the.
1:57:54
Truth exists under regardless of color, creed, or.
1:57:58
Yeah, it does. It it, it does.
1:58:01
It does. Because you've been a part of
1:58:03
something that transcends cultural boundaries.
1:58:07
You've been a part of the fire on the mountain retreat.
1:58:09
You, you know, you get to see and experience things that are
1:58:13
meaningful towards the growth of a community that again,
1:58:17
transcend a, a cultural barrier. It's shared in confidence, it's
1:58:24
shared in stagnarity, it's shared in genuinity, it's shared
1:58:27
in love, and it's shared with the intent and with the purpose.
1:58:32
Not just the intent with the purpose of growth and expansion
1:58:37
and health, because that's what's needed right there.
1:58:41
There's this knee, there's this, there's this what's the rune now
1:58:52
these the need fire. You know that that that that
1:58:56
need fire that exists, that that burns that fire that we all see
1:59:00
regardless of barriers that are set up culturally.
1:59:03
We we can see that fire from a distance and that need and that
1:59:07
need fire exists to be a beacon of hope.
1:59:13
It it to be a beacon of. Understanding.
1:59:18
Yeah, yeah. Hope, understanding, you know,
1:59:22
resilience, knowledge, wisdom. Persistence.
1:59:30
Yeah, persistence. Thank you to Cowboy on YouTube.
1:59:36
Yeah, said it. Well, thank you.
1:59:40
Thank you for the dialogue. Thank you for giving us a chance
1:59:42
to to consider and think about these things.
1:59:45
All information is valid as long as you can filter out the weeds.
1:59:52
And Matthew, Sarah says that are you guys interested in talking
1:59:56
about some of the things that you did in the past?
1:59:59
Fire on the mountain? To a certain degree, to a very
2:00:12
limited degree, I think Adam would, would, would share in
2:00:17
that sentiment to a very limited degree, yeah.
2:00:22
Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's, it's
2:00:24
no, it's no, you know, it's no, they're, they're, they're, we're
2:00:33
not hiding the fact that that, you know, fire on the mountain
2:00:35
is a thing. And, and we were our
2:00:37
participants of it, you know, So in terms of talking about some
2:00:46
of the things that we did, Adam, I, you know, I feel like I'm
2:00:52
comfortable with talking about some of the things that we did
2:00:54
in the sense that we really found each other's sense of grit
2:01:03
with people who you have never met before.
2:01:06
Because, you know, I've been involved with Fire in the
2:01:10
mountain for the last few four years, going on five years.
2:01:13
And this was your first. So in comparison to things that
2:01:21
happened this year, you know, you got to see it first hand for
2:01:26
the first time what that was like.
2:01:33
I have several years of of past experiences that I can reflect
2:01:37
on and compare. But I think I think to
2:01:45
Matthew's, you know, question in talking about some of the things
2:01:49
that did happen, what would you be comfortable with with with
2:01:57
talking about? I would have to say that like
2:02:07
some of the rituals that we went through need to stay with us.
2:02:15
The, the camaraderie with you and the others that were there,
2:02:28
the, the, the feasting together, the, the fellowship that we had
2:02:34
that I don't mind talking about at all.
2:02:36
I mean, I consider every, every man that was there as a brother.
2:02:41
Now, whether you know, they don't think if, if they don't
2:02:47
say it or not to me, we share it in something that no other group
2:02:52
of guys have have been involved in.
2:02:54
So it brings us more together as our own, so to speak, tribe, for
2:03:02
a better lack of the term. Now I did enjoy the Brown Brown
2:03:08
Lights Festival with you where we got on stage and did a little
2:03:11
drumming. That was cool.
2:03:12
That that was pretty cool. Yeah, that was cool.
2:03:16
And we never follow Bjorn's low key GPS again.
2:03:22
Yeah, that was fun. You know, it's fun looking back
2:03:26
on it, but you know, in the moment and it was like, what the
2:03:29
fuck what, what what's going on here?
2:03:34
But I think, you know, overall, just just just from the the the
2:03:39
the the spirit of the retreat this year, you know, as a
2:03:44
sponsor of the event and not as the overall official
2:03:48
spokesperson of said event, because I'm just a participant
2:03:52
and A and A and a Co founder of it with, with this year's
2:03:56
retreat being themed Spirit Rd. And Speaking of we have Patrick
2:04:07
rejoining. Yeah, with with with this year's
2:04:11
retreat being themed Spirit Rd. It was it, it carried.
2:04:17
It was almost like the the, the the nature of this year's
2:04:22
retreat for Far in the Mountain was set before we hit the road.
2:04:29
And while we hit the road, everything about what Spirit Rd.
2:04:33
Represented and meant for this year's retreat was laid down for
2:04:41
us from the travel challenges to the GPS, you know, tomfoolery to
2:04:51
just everything that happened along the way during those days
2:04:56
on the retreat, you know, And then for you, Patrick, while you
2:05:03
since you just joined Matthew Cera was asking, are you guys
2:05:07
interested in talking about some of the things that you did in
2:05:10
this past fire on the mountain? There are definitely some things
2:05:15
that are private and and are kept secluded and and kept
2:05:20
private for for obvious reasons. But like, like Adam was saying,
2:05:27
you know, the, the traveling up to, up to the retreat, you know,
2:05:33
getting from point A to point B, some of the ritual aspects of
2:05:39
it, you know, it's transformative.
2:05:44
It's, I don't know, I, you know, maybe I'm speaking just out of
2:05:50
my own experience from the last, you know, four years.
2:05:53
But you know, we got one man here who has experienced it
2:05:56
once. And we have, you know, another
2:05:59
man here he just dropped, but we have another man here who's
2:06:03
experienced it twice. So, you know, fire in the
2:06:10
mountain is its own thing each year with its theme and stuff.
2:06:13
But but Patrick, you know, like your, your, your experience
2:06:18
since Matthew asked and you know, he, he sees your content
2:06:21
and he sees your stuff too. You know anything that you want
2:06:23
to add to, to to your experience to it, feel free to share within
2:06:33
the within the degree that you want to.
2:06:43
You're you're muted, Patrick. Let me, let me see if you can
2:06:45
unmute there. Try to unmute yourself.
2:06:48
Yeah. Well, there you go.
2:06:49
There you go. Yeah, alright, cool.
2:06:51
Thank you. Yeah, within reason, of course.
2:06:57
Honestly, it's strange to miss seeing to anyone listening.
2:07:00
My favorite part is getting there.
2:07:04
All the money, all the time and energy it takes to get there is
2:07:10
one of the fair parts because like it reminds me of the first
2:07:15
time I visit you, not far the mountain, but just the first
2:07:19
time seeing you and my car issues.
2:07:23
All the the fuck Reeve with my car.
2:07:27
You know, I was like, Oh my God, I'm like an hour away from Jesse
2:07:32
and it's crapping on me. Why, why, why?
2:07:35
But when I got there, it was all the more beautiful.
2:07:39
It's just, again, that struggle really met with great company
2:07:45
and great memories. And that kind of coincides with
2:07:48
Spirit Rd. in a way because we make plans, we set up
2:07:54
objectives. And I feel like the more
2:07:58
struggles it takes to get to that point makes it more
2:08:03
meaningful because we take that all of us, all of our parts of
2:08:09
ourselves to make that possible. Which is truly amazing.
2:08:13
But also more to the meat and potatoes of far the Mountain is
2:08:18
spending time with like minded men, individuals who vary on
2:08:25
their walks, fly to meet on common ground.
2:08:30
To share ourselves, our experiences and who we are as
2:08:34
individuals is truly a life changing experience.
2:08:38
Again, as a two time participant of Fire the Mountain, I stand
2:08:45
true to that each time. And I Remember Me and you
2:08:49
discuss, you know, each time was special and amazing and it felt
2:08:56
right, you know? And that's with any time we
2:08:59
visit a friend, a loved one, it's never the same the first
2:09:03
time. And they seem similar, yeah, but
2:09:07
collectively and all together, it's a special experience.
2:09:13
Yeah, it is, yeah. And that's, that's the beauty of
2:09:17
of Fire on the Mountain, right? Like it's, it is a special
2:09:20
experience and it's something that the, the, the planning
2:09:26
committee, the planning board, you know, is going to be meeting
2:09:29
on very soon about to, to, to plan next year's event.
2:09:37
So thank you, Matthew, for asking.
2:09:39
But yeah, there, there's, you know, there, there was a lot
2:09:42
that was experienced on this year's retreat.
2:09:50
And this isn't the platform, this isn't space to to to get
2:09:56
into great detail about it with and it's not in, you know, in
2:10:04
any specific or, or particular focus on, on neglecting people,
2:10:08
you know what I mean? Or, or, or or keeping people out
2:10:10
of it. This is preserving the the
2:10:15
sanctity and the sovereignty of the event and the integrity of
2:10:20
it. Yeah, absolutely.
2:10:23
So it was, it was, it is, you know, fire in the mountain is
2:10:31
has been transformative every year that I've been a part of
2:10:33
it. And Patrick, you know, this is
2:10:35
your second year. It's a transformative retreat in
2:10:41
one way, form or fashion, It's it's transformative.
2:10:45
It changes the people, you know, it makes an impact on our spirit
2:10:55
when we attend these things and when we interact with people
2:10:58
that attend these things. And it's beautiful.
2:11:01
It's, it's, I think it's been a beautiful thing over the last
2:11:05
several years. You know, four are going on five
2:11:08
years now. So where the retreat goes into
2:11:15
year five and how we we progress with it, you know, kind of
2:11:20
remains to be seen. But yeah.
2:11:27
And you know, no disrespect taken at all, Matthew, by asking
2:11:33
about it. I you know, this is this is
2:11:35
something expected. And, and we want to do we, we,
2:11:40
we want to do the retreat proper honor and we want, we want, we
2:11:46
want to give proper respect and honor to the, to the nature of
2:11:50
it by by preserving its sanctity by, by preserving its sacredness
2:11:57
of it. And and and such by, you know,
2:12:02
talking more about it in in in detail, in the right way, so.
2:12:07
And I feel like in the way, Jesse, if you don't mind me
2:12:10
saying, this is celebration and individual practice.
2:12:15
Going back to full circle, what I said earlier about the person
2:12:18
who mentioned, you know, being a Salter solitary practitioner, in
2:12:23
a lot of ways, it's very beautiful being a solar
2:12:26
practitioner because you keep things sacred.
2:12:29
But I've learned along the way on my journey as a heathen, as a
2:12:33
Norse Pagan, is sometimes those special moments we have.
2:12:41
It needs to be between yourself and great spirit, your gods,
2:12:47
your ancestors. And trust me, me personally,
2:12:51
that's Patrick. I've had several moments I
2:12:54
wanted to share with everybody, but I knew my heart.
2:12:59
It's meant to be between you and that that deity, that memory,
2:13:06
that that life force, right sacred because I hate to use
2:13:12
this phrase or quote, but pearls before swine because you share
2:13:18
it with social media. It takes this and makes it this
2:13:25
because people knowingly or unknowingly take away interpret
2:13:30
it as they will. And again, Jesse, I can always
2:13:35
say so much, you as a, you know, content creator, you share a lot
2:13:42
of yourself, and I'm sure that's taking its toll on you as well.
2:13:46
I can imagine how tricky and how hard it is to traverse that
2:13:51
landscape. And I commend you very much,
2:13:54
Jesse, as a follower, a brother, as a friend.
2:13:58
You know, you have made great strides, especially with You 2,
2:14:04
you know, 'cause that's where I found you first.
2:14:07
You choked. There's some hurdles, you know,
2:14:09
we had when we were first hanging out.
2:14:11
You had an opportunity, you dismissed it.
2:14:14
You kept sacred what is sacred. You made time for what is
2:14:18
important. And I'll never forget that.
2:14:21
And that's something again to all those who are watching,
2:14:25
Keeping sacred sacred can go in so many different ways.
2:14:29
That special moment, time with friends, family, you know, it's
2:14:32
great sharing things. Trust me, I know the feeling,
2:14:36
but sometimes, you know, I feel a certain way about it, like
2:14:39
maybe I shouldn't share that post.
2:14:41
Maybe I shouldn't share this, that and the other, you know,
2:14:44
it's a learning experience. You learn as you go, you grow
2:14:47
and you develop, you know? Yeah, yeah, it is tricky.
2:14:52
You know, sometimes you get caught up in the the moment of
2:14:57
an audience, you know what I mean?
2:14:59
And you want to, you know, connect with that audience.
2:15:04
And, you know, sometimes the, the, the, the material that you
2:15:09
feel inspired to share isn't intended for that audience.
2:15:12
It's intended for a lesser audience, intended for some
2:15:15
other audience. But it's.
2:15:16
Like you're just yourself, yeah. Yeah, One quick question before
2:15:21
we get wrapping things up because it's getting late.
2:15:24
I would do you want to take one more question?
2:15:26
So Connie Watson on Facebook asks, what is your favorite Yule
2:15:32
tradition? That's a great question,
2:15:37
Patrick. Do you have any particular
2:15:39
favorite Yule traditions that you subscribe to or follow or do
2:15:43
well? It's a really great question.
2:15:47
I love that question. Thank you for asking separately
2:15:51
and collectively. Separately, it's making time to
2:15:56
visit very special people like Cliff him and I have separate
2:16:01
the occasion. But more importantly, my
2:16:04
favorite part of Yule is making time for sacred, which I feel
2:16:08
like should be a regular practice.
2:16:09
But you know, it's that special time of year, you know, dismiss
2:16:15
whatever holidays that overlap ours.
2:16:20
It's just that unity. And I feel like just like
2:16:23
Halloween Samhain, the veils very thin and I feel like a lot
2:16:29
of us can feel that energy. I feel it right now as though
2:16:34
I've been going through hardships despite me going
2:16:36
through hardships, I feel that support, that full ship, that,
2:16:42
that connection with my gods, our gods, you know, just that
2:16:46
sacred time to really, really make that specific time again,
2:16:53
to separate the profane from the mundane.
2:16:57
I hope I got that right, but just, you know, sacred from the
2:17:01
mundane and just making these ties to celebrate, venerate not
2:17:08
only our accomplishments, but understanding our struggles to
2:17:13
come where we are today. That's my favorite part.
2:17:16
Thank you again for the opportunity for asking, for
2:17:18
answering that question. Yeah, I, I would say that for me
2:17:25
and, and for ours, you know, you'll, we, we, we observe,
2:17:30
you'll my tribe, you know, we, we observe Yule on the, on the
2:17:37
historical pre Christian reckoning of time.
2:17:40
So our Yule celebrations won't happen until next month on the
2:17:46
next full moon. And it is a midwinter bloat.
2:17:51
Yule was for the Germanic heathens, a midwinter bloat.
2:18:01
The pre Christian Germanic heathen would observe three
2:18:05
major holy tides. They would do a winter night
2:18:08
celebration, which was their new year.
2:18:11
They would do a midwinter celebration, which was Yule.
2:18:13
And they would do a victory bloat in the summer, which was
2:18:16
the seger bloat on their on their on their, you know,
2:18:19
summertime celebration. So midwinter for us and then my
2:18:24
tribe celebration is a time to celebrate our survival of the
2:18:31
darker days and longer nights, because at this point in time,
2:18:38
we are in the midwinter period of time.
2:18:42
So days will be progressively getting longer.
2:18:45
The, the, the, the daylight will be longer, the nights will be
2:18:49
shorter progressively. So we, we, we, we, we celebrate
2:18:54
that as, as a time of, you know, we, we look, we look inward, we
2:18:59
look inward to our hearts and to our homes and we and we
2:19:02
celebrate that through the exchange of gifts, through
2:19:06
feasting. We have a stumble, We do stumble
2:19:10
at Yule. The oaths that are sworn at Yule
2:19:13
are particularly powerful because of, of historical
2:19:19
sources that suggest as such that, that, you know, the oaths
2:19:23
sworn over the bore at Yule. We're, we're, we're particularly
2:19:27
powerful. So, you know, we, we take
2:19:29
advantage of those opportunities.
2:19:30
So we, we, we enjoy gift giving, we enjoy fellowship, we enjoy
2:19:38
laughter. We do stumble.
2:19:42
So those are our, you know, favorite Yule traditions.
2:19:46
Our, our particular, you know, try we, we do like a, you know,
2:19:49
a dirty Santa sort of gift thing where we call it instead of
2:19:53
dirty Santa, we call it filthy fimble tier.
2:19:56
It's fimble tier is, is one of the names of Odin.
2:19:58
You know, So we, we, we instead of dirty Santa, we say filthy
2:20:01
fimble tier. It's like an, you know, bit of
2:20:02
a, a canning, a poetic nod to Odin.
2:20:07
So we do we we we follow the same rules of of Dirty Santa,
2:20:11
but we do it under the name of Filthy Fimble Tier I.
2:20:14
Love that. Yeah, yeah, and, and cowboy on
2:20:18
YouTube says yeah, spend time with friends, family, burning of
2:20:21
the Yule log. We do have a Yule log.
2:20:23
My tribe does every year at Yule in our Yule fire, in our sacred
2:20:29
fire, we, we retrieve a piece of that sacred fire, so a, a, a
2:20:35
partially burned log and we retain that.
2:20:39
We, we save that for the next year's Yule.
2:20:43
So in our upcoming you'll, the previous year's you'll log the
2:20:54
partially burned piece of wood that was saved from our sacred
2:20:59
fire from last year's you'll or from, you know, the 2024 you'll
2:21:04
will be, will be used to ignite the fire of the 2025 you'll.
2:21:10
And then from that fire, we will preserve and save a piece of
2:21:15
partially burned wood and use it to burn 2026.
2:21:21
And, you know, the next year's midwinter, you'll fire.
2:21:24
So that's our cultic practice. That is our tribal practice.
2:21:28
That's what we do. Yeah.
2:21:33
So, yeah. Have a good night to you, cowboy
2:21:37
and YouTube. Hail the gods, hail the
2:21:39
goddesses and hail the way, whatever that may be and looking
2:21:44
forward to the next live stream. Thank you so very much The next
2:21:47
live stream will be probably sometime in January, but this is
2:21:51
the this is the end. This is this this ship has
2:21:54
sailed. Ladies and gentlemen, this the
2:21:58
ship of the season 5 random Heathen Ramblings podcast is
2:22:06
out. And for all of you that have
2:22:10
kind of followed along on on this year's journey, on this
2:22:14
season's journey, it's been amazing.
2:22:17
It's been wonderful. I appreciate all of your
2:22:20
support. Thank you, Patrick for being
2:22:22
here tonight. Thank you to Adam who had the
2:22:25
drop and thank you to to everybody you know, Matthew,
2:22:29
Sarah, great season. Thank you, Matthew.
2:22:33
You know, Joshua Bright spirit, my brother Skaldic works, Voodoo
2:22:39
Viking, all those of you that have watched and maybe haven't
2:22:43
commented, but that have, you know, supported Randy, there you
2:22:50
go signing out for the night. Have a good night to you as
2:22:53
well, Randy. I know you, you're in the you're
2:22:56
you're in my area of Tennessee. So Helen, thank you very much
2:22:59
for your support. Looking forward to seeing what
2:23:01
growth comes from the the Fritheim group that you're
2:23:05
leading there out there in Clarksville.
2:23:07
But and yeah, Skull, that works here as well, right?
2:23:11
Great live stream. See you next time, hopefully
2:23:13
earlier. Yes, Scalded Works will be
2:23:16
coming back in Season 6, ladies and gentlemen.
2:23:18
So for all of you that may be wondering who this mysterious
2:23:21
person is commenting, you know, they'll be back.
2:23:25
And thank you all so very much. And as a reminder for everybody
2:23:29
that may be just wondering, you know, what they can do or how
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If you do it and 10 other people do it, and 15 and 20 and 30,
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It's a $1.00 pledge. I don't think you can find
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2:24:03
It's great support. It's less of a of a problem for
2:24:06
you. And you know, it's it's great
2:24:09
for me and it's great for the production of this podcast.
2:24:12
Thank you so very much for your support and thank you for being
2:24:15
here for season 5. To whatever degree.
2:24:17
If you're listening to this, if you're watching this, however
2:24:20
you're capturing this, it means all the world to me and I
2:24:23
greatly appreciate you being here.
2:24:25
So here we are sailing off into the sunset of season 5, ready to
2:24:33
ready, ready to, to, to welcome in the dawn of season 6.
2:24:39
So Patrick, my friend, my brother, thank you for being
2:24:43
here. Thank you all of you out here in
2:24:49
YouTube and Facebook land and wherever else it is that you
2:24:51
catch this later on. Thank you for being here.
2:24:54
The support is greatly appreciated and we'll see you
2:24:58
all the and you know we'll see you all again in season 6.
2:25:02
So until then, have a blessed Yule, have a merry new Year and
2:25:10
when we see each other again in season 6 and until then, may the
2:25:15
gods continue to notice you and may your ancestors smile upon
2:25:20
you. Thank you all.