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Best of the Bus: JJ Redick Almost Quit Basketball While At Duke & The Legendary Best Pizzas Tier Talk · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: How'd you feel about that game of pay that just
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  Speaker 1: happened there? I didn't feel great about it. Yeah, courseweaty
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: We just played an intense game of pig, in tense
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  Speaker 2: game of pig, and JJ Reddick was the first man out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what I think? What obsessed me is
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  Speaker 3: number one the l for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I texted Will yesterday and I said, Will, what
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  Speaker 4: do I need to know? What am I walking into tomorrow?
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  Speaker 4: And he laid out a show plan, some Duke stuff,
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  Speaker 4: some NBA stuff. There was no mention of mini basketball pig.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And had I known that, I would have I would
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  Speaker 4: have came more prepared. I would have my whole day
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  Speaker 4: would have been different. I'll put it that way. So
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  Speaker 4: you're blaming me a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's and let me have Will side for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Mid game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys probably got at least I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know, ten to fifteen warm up shots. Why why? What?
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  Speaker 1: But but usually when people play Pig and someone comes
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  Speaker 1: in middle of the game, they usually have to take
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  Speaker 1: a letter.
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  Speaker 3: And you didn't have to come in mid game. Well
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  Speaker 3: that's because my driver took me to Well, I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Going to say you don't want to see the address,
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  Speaker 4: but he took me to different a different address that
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  Speaker 4: started with a seed, not a K.
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  Speaker 3: And then on the way over here we got stuck
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  Speaker 3: behind a train.
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  Speaker 1: So just shit happens, man, A lot of adversity when
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  Speaker 1: you're coming to and during the podcast on the bus.
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  Speaker 3: But just to argue with you a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: When you and I were sitting in the corner of
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  Speaker 1: there and we were like kind of first meet each other,
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  Speaker 1: you did whisper to me, I play this game with
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  Speaker 1: my kids exact hoop exact ball every single day.
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  Speaker 3: Did you not say that? Was that? Is that a
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  Speaker 3: comment you made? Exact hoop oh ball? You actually the
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  Speaker 3: ball is bigger and harder to make it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you know the there's like a men's basketball, women's basketball,
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  Speaker 4: youth basketball, and then there's like the mini basketballs.
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  Speaker 3: They're like three times the size that the ball you
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  Speaker 3: guys used. That's what I'm used to.
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  Speaker 2: Are you always aware when you walk into like a
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  Speaker 2: situation like that, like they all expect me to win
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  Speaker 2: this game, and when you do lose in that kind
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  Speaker 2: of fashion, because it was pretty quick. Is it something
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  Speaker 2: where you're just like, damn, these boys like really think
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  Speaker 2: they got me for real.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if you guys really think you got me
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  Speaker 4: in basketball, I actually feel bad for you.
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  Speaker 3: Let them finish. Let them fish and finish. Nobody laugh.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I'm just saying if we, if we, if
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  Speaker 4: we all of a sudden like did a NERF football competition,
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  Speaker 4: we probably win that like throwing it at a target,
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  Speaker 4: like I would probably beat you, guys. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 4: to myself like I got you in football. I would
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  Speaker 4: just say, like I won this specific random event.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's pretty straightforward. It'd be better. It'd be better.
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  Speaker 1: And easier for us to stay based on because there
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  Speaker 1: was no like real basketball there.
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  Speaker 3: We're just better shooters than you are.
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  Speaker 4: Again, like at this particular dress outside of this particular bus,
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  Speaker 4: I'm that particular hoop you guys got me today, and
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  Speaker 4: I again, the competitive side of me is pissed off,
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  Speaker 4: and I wish we could move on past this because
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  Speaker 4: now I'm getting angry.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be it's gonna be a few minutes
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  Speaker 3: before we leave. Trust me, we do not want to
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  Speaker 3: see first take JJ reddick. Really yeah, have you not.
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  Speaker 1: Seen the ways A couple of first takes I've seen
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  Speaker 1: you lose your temper.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything we can't hit. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if I've lost my temp Well, I've been animated.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell because your vein will start coming out
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  Speaker 2: of your neck a little bit, you start leaning a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more in your seat and.
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  Speaker 3: Does the seat lean is a big giveaway?
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  Speaker 4: The producer said that to me the other day, really,
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  Speaker 4: because I know when you're about to get really engaged
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  Speaker 4: because I leaned forward.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't even realize I'm doing it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've got to be better at I've exact.
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  Speaker 1: This exact video is about Luca and Curry.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. Now, this one was about Steven A calling Jimmy
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  Speaker 3: Butler a permitter shooter. Yeah, and he's not a premier
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  Speaker 3: perimeter shooter at all. Jimmy Butler's a fantastic player, He's
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  Speaker 3: you know, superstar? Who als are? Who all are fantastic players? Well,
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  Speaker 3: Pat Beverly, I'm just beverly pressed. On the other day,
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  Speaker 3: you got a fantastic player? What does that mean? And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, fifty fantastic players.
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  Speaker 4: The hierarchy of the NBA is really hard to figure
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  Speaker 4: out At any given time. But generally speaking, there's like
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  Speaker 4: five guys that are it. They are him, and you
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  Speaker 4: can win a championship with that player. And beyond that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's probably five more guys that on certain
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  Speaker 4: nights look like a top five player.
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  Speaker 3: I's sort of like the top ten or fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: Then it becomes very circumstantial for the next twenty to
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  Speaker 4: forty guys, you know, and like Draymond he's a great
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  Speaker 4: example of that, because where do you sort of place
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  Speaker 4: him in the hierarchy of the NBA. If we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about someone who can go off the dribble and score
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  Speaker 4: on his own, like, that's not Draymond, but we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about impact on winning. Well, shit, he's top fifteen, top twenty.
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  Speaker 4: So it's it's hard to rank players. I hate doing it.
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  Speaker 4: I hate you know, they make me do it? Make
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  Speaker 4: you Have you seen Draymond Green try to play football?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't. Oh, there's a video FAMI if you can
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  Speaker 3: pull it up. Pull it up. Draymond Green spring football,
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  Speaker 3: Michigan State.
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  Speaker 4: What's like a good like for an average quarterback in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL average actually, let's go not NFL average, FBS
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  Speaker 4: college quarterback. How far can they throw football on the
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  Speaker 4: flop yards eighty yards?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what's good? Oh, so that's a you think like
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  Speaker 3: you think sixty? Yeah, fifty to sixty would probably be
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  Speaker 3: basically I could average D one quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's assuming that what you just said means you
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  Speaker 1: can throw the ball fifty or sixty yards on the
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  Speaker 1: run accurately.
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  Speaker 3: On the run. I mean I could just do it standstill.
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  Speaker 1: You can throw a fifty or sixty yards standstill? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how long you feel somewhere to go? Because we can
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  Speaker 1: go right to the field if you want. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna you didn't give me warm up here? We
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  Speaker 1: can go out to the field. Well, after we finish,
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  Speaker 1: I have nothing to do the rest of to day.
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  Speaker 1: We'll play pay again, just you and me, and you
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  Speaker 1: can warm up as long as you want.
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  Speaker 4: My ongoing joke is basically that if I had not
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  Speaker 4: quit baseball, I would have been a big league pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: You think so I had a heater? Man? Were you
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  Speaker 3: a beast? I had a heat? I'll tell you six
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  Speaker 3: or four? Yeah, we for it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I quit in seventh grade. That's the thing my
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  Speaker 4: dad made me choose. But here's the thing I was
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  Speaker 4: that is like the point where you have. I was
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  Speaker 4: the beast then, and I hadn't hit my growth spurt yet.
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  Speaker 4: I was five six and then all the kids that
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  Speaker 4: I played against that were on the same level as me,
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  Speaker 4: they all either played you know, double A, triple A baseball,
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  Speaker 4: D one ACC baseball.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I could have had a I could
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  Speaker 3: have had a chance. I mean, are you hitting like
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  Speaker 3: low seventies as a seventh grader? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh easy, I mean, that's that's just I feel that's
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  Speaker 1: those seventies. Yeah, I feel like that's pretty to mid sixties.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, holy shit, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like it's even sixty two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. If you mound that clothes back to the dug out.
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  Speaker 2: And you're in like middle school and you, hey, this
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  Speaker 2: kid can throw seventy two miles an hour, You're like.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck, I don't think I ever even heard of that.
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  Speaker 4: Honest with you, your listeners know this, this is mores
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  Speaker 4: us getting to know each other.
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  Speaker 3: Where Where are you from again? From Arizona?
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  Speaker 1: From area I grew up, grew up in Asa, born
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  Speaker 1: in California, grew up, grew up in Arizona, went to Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been here.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, and then so Bontare, Missouri. Is that that's
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  Speaker 4: a real place. Oh, I've been there. That's a real
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  Speaker 4: Actually I've driven past there with Willie people.
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  Speaker 3: It's a real place. Yeah, Baco lead okay. Cigarettes.
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  Speaker 4: For a long time in my life, I'm out of conspiracy,
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  Speaker 4: there's But for a long time in my life, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, man, I'm not sure Missouri and Nebraska actually exists.
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know if they were real places or
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  Speaker 4: if it was just like we're going to put them
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  Speaker 4: on a map. Because I didn't know anybody. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you never I'd never like Nebraska because they don't leave.
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  Speaker 4: Nebraska people don't leave.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird. I'm pretty sure Missouri people don't leave either.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking about where I am right now.
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  Speaker 1: No, but you like you like made it out kid, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you told me all the time people from
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  Speaker 1: your town like don't really leave that town.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair. Yeah, that's accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Like Nebraska, it's a similar it's a similar conversation we've had.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like most people if you're in a small town, though,
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of people really leave.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a great point, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: No, and I agree with that, Like cities like you like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what makes We were an hour away
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  Speaker 2: from Saint Louis when I was growing up, so there
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  Speaker 2: really wasn't no city there.
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  Speaker 3: There was like nothing around us.
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  Speaker 2: So you just get used to the community aspect, I
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  Speaker 2: guess of a small town, like when you're growing up
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  Speaker 2: and when you're younger like my area, and say, you're
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  Speaker 2: like good at sports, you like picture yourself being like
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  Speaker 2: a head coach of that high school team when you
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  Speaker 2: grow up, or like a gym teacher, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always coach pe and I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: teach pe and I'm gonna coach football.
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  Speaker 3: What was a big city for you? Saint Louis. Saint
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  Speaker 3: Louis Lewis is huge.
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  Speaker 2: When I went to Link in Nebraska, I felt like
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  Speaker 2: it was big for me and everybody else from like
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  Speaker 2: Texas and Cali, and they like just shit on it.
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  Speaker 4: Like like when I went to Orlando my rookie year,
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  Speaker 4: I thought I thought Orlando was a city.
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  Speaker 3: It's clearly not a city. It's not a real city. Well,
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta's a weird place place.
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  Speaker 1: Every time I go to Orlando, I'm like, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like everything's fake here because it's like the Disney the
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  Speaker 1: Disney World, and it's like, oh, there's a castle right there,
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  Speaker 1: or like this extravagant billboard, like it's so insane. But
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  Speaker 1: really it's just like fake. Nothing's real there. It seems
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  Speaker 1: like to me, I've.
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  Speaker 3: Only been there like three times in all three of
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  Speaker 3: those years. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it like all of it fake, but
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  Speaker 4: it's a transient place. So a lot of people in
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  Speaker 4: and out, a lot of tourists.
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  Speaker 3: Google transient for me. Well, he's I mean, he can
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  Speaker 3: probably define it for you'll be.
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  Speaker 4: That'll be the easiest word to translate that I'll use today.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, what is it? Short lived? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: I keep always changes moves around, you know, people in
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  Speaker 4: and out. Yeah, nobody's from Like, who's from Orlando? Who's
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  Speaker 4: like I like, Yeah, I grew up in Orlando, and
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  Speaker 4: I stayed in Orlando. It's the same thing here in Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: The first six months I lived in Nashville in twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't meet one person from Nashville.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in this area at all. Everyone's transplants.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, come from New York, come from Florida, come from
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  Speaker 4: all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: What you're you know, you're touching the local boys back there?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, is that not true?
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  Speaker 1: Is there's so many people from out of town. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to come out the boys. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to say, like it's a transient place.
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  Speaker 3: The book. You know, read a book, boys, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just a transient place. You know, are you stick to
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  Speaker 3: be un bust on the boys?
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  Speaker 4: I am stoked. I mean shit, man, Like I gotta
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  Speaker 4: be honest with you all. The last eight or nine
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  Speaker 4: months has been kind of crazy for me because I
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  Speaker 4: always envisioned this year of bliss and quiet when I retired,
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  Speaker 4: and I was very hesitant to do ESPN, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I agree to do like a short one year deal
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  Speaker 4: and I was still obligated to do the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: For another year. So I was like, yeah, I'll fuck it,
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  Speaker 3: I'll do I'll do ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: But getting into the media space has been way busier
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  Speaker 4: than I expected, and so I get asked to do
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  Speaker 4: podcasts probably three or four times a week. That's our exaggeration,
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  Speaker 4: like literally three or four times a week. So for me,
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  Speaker 4: when I got like the ask from your crew that
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  Speaker 4: was like, hey, did he come down to Nashville to
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  Speaker 4: do this? I was like absolutely, absolutely, no hesitation. I'm
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  Speaker 4: super excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: What about bust One the boys is if there's three
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  Speaker 1: or four a week coming to you saying hey, come
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  Speaker 1: on our podcast? What about busting?
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  Speaker 3: Was like, so was it? The bus was a will?
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  Speaker 4: It was mostly well, yeahs usually great follow up follow
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  Speaker 4: on Twitter, a great phenomenal teeth. Yes, he's hilarious. He
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  Speaker 4: had one of the need to body back somebody for JJ.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody was coming at him really the guy named Chip
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  Speaker 2: and then JJ JJ gave like a good response to me,
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  Speaker 2: and it was one of those things where you kind
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  Speaker 2: of like read through the bulls.
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  Speaker 3: You'll like, hey, JJ, do you need do you need
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  Speaker 3: me to ask him for a favor? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was so scared to clap back at people on
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  Speaker 4: Twitter when I was a player, and then I was
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  Speaker 4: off of social media for like two years.
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  Speaker 3: It was it was an awesome time.
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  Speaker 4: But then when when we started doing the podcast again,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I kind of gotta be on. But
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  Speaker 4: in retirement, I have zero problem clapping back. And I
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  Speaker 4: used to think about Kevin Durant I'd be like, why
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  Speaker 4: is Kevin Durant? Why is Kevin Durant? Like clapping back, Well,
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  Speaker 4: he's the top five player. The guy's worth hundreds of
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  Speaker 4: millions of dollars, Like why does he find the time.
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  Speaker 4: But the reality is when you have the app on
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  Speaker 4: your phone and you check on it, it's human nature.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna look at the mentions and like why not.
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  Speaker 4: It's very satisfying. Yeah, very satisfy.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a super that.
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  Speaker 4: Guy in a body bag the other day with the
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  Speaker 4: you put him to put him in the Yeah, So like,
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  Speaker 4: how's your swaddle game right now?
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  Speaker 3: My swallow game?
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  Speaker 2: Well, now we're kind of, you know, we kind of
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of cheating now because we got the Ali
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  Speaker 2: swaddle because it's like voo that exists, Yes, that exists,
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  Speaker 2: and it is a good it's a very good swaddle.
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  Speaker 2: But before we got the Ali, my swaddle was was
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  Speaker 2: actually getting pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I was like in mid season four before we got
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  Speaker 3: the Ally, that's good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife only let me do the swaddle. She
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  Speaker 4: couldn't do it really for both our kids. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: was and I went tight.
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  Speaker 3: I went tight.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that hands has poken out when when you first start,
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  Speaker 1: then that hands starts creeping, they start scratching their face,
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  Speaker 1: the nails, there's nothing, it's it's it's a wild thing.
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  Speaker 1: The swallow was something that took very seriously get competitive.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Like when they're kind of tugging, You're like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I'll fucking show you you.
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  Speaker 3: Wanna we want to play games like that, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? From there, and I didn't really fight
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  Speaker 3: back too much.
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  Speaker 1: Makes you feel kind of bad after, but while you're
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  Speaker 1: in it, you definitely like think, oh, this baby's trying me.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I absolutely get it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was telling Taylor like, uh oh, stoked
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  Speaker 2: that you were coming on because every every white kid
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  Speaker 2: in America when you're playing college basketball, they want to
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: be able to shoot a ball like JJ Reddick. And
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  Speaker 2: I was more fired up now that you're coming on
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  Speaker 2: the bus because I was telling Taylor that you're legitimately
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  Speaker 2: one of the first ogs like in the in the
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  Speaker 2: active athlete world that was doing a podcast like you
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  Speaker 2: did yours for like five years. Now you did it
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  Speaker 2: with like Yahoo and Ringer before you had to do
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  Speaker 2: your own thing. But just the fact that you're podcasting
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  Speaker 2: in those five years, like when we started Busting with
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  Speaker 2: the boys, like low key to give your flowers a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, like you helped give me like confidence and
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  Speaker 2: like courage you like do Busting with the boys kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a Pat McAfee and some of those guys
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  Speaker 2: who have kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of like pioneered the space.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's like, that's actually like a that's a
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: huge reason like why I was fired up because I
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: would look at old man in the three, and you're
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: obviously in the in the basketball space.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: So I never really like there's some out there.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: You look and you're like all their kind of like
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: competition and stuff, but you like you were since you
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: were in the.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: Basketball side of it.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, let me see like what JJ's doing,
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: like how he does his stuff. You've retired on your
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: own platform, like you own you like own your voice,
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: you control your narrative. You give a platform for athletes,
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: and so that's like why I'm so fired up that
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: you're on the bus.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I never thought about that.
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: When I first started, WOJ was launching a platform called
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: the Vertical at Yahoo, and he asked me to write
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: articles for him, and I got this like weird flashback
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: to college, being like stressed out and then having to
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: stay up all night till six am to write a
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: term paper. I was like, fuck that, waj, I don't
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: want to do that. And then he came back six
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: months later it's like me and Chris Mannix are doing
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: the pod Do you want your own pod? And I
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: legitimately had never listened to a podcast before. My wife
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: had listened to Cereal the season one about the love
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: triangle and the murder and stuff. Oh, I never I
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: was like, I listened to it and I was like,
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to do, Like, this is not
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: what I'm going for. And you know, when I started it,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: it was I thought at the time it was weird.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: I thought at the time, I was like, I'll just
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: get some reps in case I want to do media.
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: But then I realized that it like satisfied this curiosity
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: in me, Like because I go to dinners or you know,
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: I meet people and I'm like, I'm genuinely.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Curious about people.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: I'm very interested in the human psych and it's given
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: me this like amazing ability to to like interact with people.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: And then on top of that, as you mentioned, there's
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: nothing better as an athlete than like having your own
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: platform and being able to control the narrative. And I've
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: used it in some ways, probably positively and probably probably
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: negatively to do that, but like I just I enjoy
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: having it. If there's anything that happens in my life,
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: you know, it's as a player, and even as a
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: retired player, I can just go on the pod and
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: talk about it.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: When you were first starting your podcast, was there like
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: that then in security that like, oh man, once I
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: put the start putting this out there while I'm playing,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: am I going to be like, oh yeah, judge did
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: My coach is going to think this way? My team
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: is going to think a certain way, Like how does
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you deal with that situation?
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I was fortunate because the clip the Clippers at the
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: time that I get asked that question a lot. The
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: truthful answer is anyone who is around me as a
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: professional knew that my number one priority was basketball, even
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: more so than my family. And I hate admitting that,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: but that's the truth. My entire day was structured around
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: trying to be great at basketball. So no one that
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: I worked with, whatever question whether or not I was
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: making the podcast a bigger priority than basketball, I think
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: for me, and it's still this way. I still get
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: a little bit of performance performance anxiety when I record
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: a pod, because like, I just want anything I do,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: I want it to be good. This is why I'm
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: so mad that I lost to you guys in many basketball. No,
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: I'm serious, like, I just want it to be good.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: And so it took twenty to thirty episodes where I like,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: legit wouldn't have to chug a beer before I started,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: just to calm myself down.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Really, I would chug.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I would chug it was I was living at La
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: so it's the North Coast Pilsner. I would chug a
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: North Coast Pilsner, and and just to calm myself down,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: like okay, all right, you're gonna be all right. And
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I used to fucking keep I mean age like fifteen
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: to twenty pages of notes on each person, and I
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: would like have every question I've had a flow chart.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I mean I overdid it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: And now it's like I record and not do my notes,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: and I research and I work hard on it. But
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: generally speaking, now it's just like it's natural, it's flows.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have experienced the same thing. One
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: hundred some episodes in it gets easier.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: It's way easier because you can't understand, like the more
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you do episodes like it took us about twenty episodes.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Every once in a while too, like we'll do an
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: episode somebody, we'll call each other in the car. But
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: that was like our go to in the beginning was
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: do an episode driving away college other like, hey, what
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: do you think? And then we go back and forth
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: on what we thought we both could have done better,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: or like hey, if I do this, maybe you say that,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: or like go off it this way.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: And it was.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: A difficult, trying time because you're just kind of in
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: this world that you know nothing about, and then you
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if people are really gonna enjoy it. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: then as you do it more, it kind of just
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: becomes like, you know what your audience likes and wants,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you know, like it much. It's probably easier for me
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and Will because we're best friends, so it's easy for
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: us to come up here, and because what we do
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in the podcast we literally do outside, right, So if
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it's just us too, it's never a difficult thing. Having
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: a guest on is not a difficult thing for us
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, we can bounce
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: back off each other, you know, and we wait.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: But it took us time in reps to learn that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with Tommy, I think that was part
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: of the reason that I wanted Tommy as a co host,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: which our last season of The Ringer, he was trying
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: to get me to do it, and I was like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I could. I'll be honestly, I don't really want to
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: do it anymore. So we did it for a few
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: months together, and then COVID hit Pandemic, hit World shutdown.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: We have both simultaneously discovered Zoom and we're like, oh,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: we don't have to do these in person. We can
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: do them, you know, over the internet and put some
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: content out during COVID and then we you know, Bill
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: wouldn't let us own the podcast, so we were like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: all right, we're gonna leave. But I think having like
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: that was my motivation for involving Tommy and just having
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: somebody like as a backup bounce ideas off to give
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: me a pause during it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: It's helpful.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: It's helpful, by the way, even this year working for
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: ESPN and kind of having a real sense of the
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: landscape of sports media, like being in it and getting
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to understand it a little bit better. Like we are
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: in the first wave of athlete driven content, the first wave,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: and like you mentioned you like I was a pioneer.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Like I think all of us are.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I think all of us in this first inning, first
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: couple innings, are pioneers in it. I don't think this
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: is like a novelty something that's going to be a
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: short lived thing. I think the future of sports media
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: is going to be athlete driven. Not to say that
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: traditional journalists won't have their place in it, but honestly,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: people are starved for this, Like we have been fed
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: sandy and soda for the last fifteen or twenty years.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: And being able to peel back the curtain a little
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: bit and offer someone a three course meal with a
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: leafy green salad.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I think people eat it up. Man, I really don't.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I think not just that, but like the suit and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: tie like to be super proper all the time.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I think for us is we're kind of learning.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Like people want to feel like, oh, these guys are
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: just like me, that type of vibe, Like we might
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: play sports, but I mean we're sitting here in.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Shorts, T shirt, Barstool does one of the best parts
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: about hanging out Barstool, one of the best parts with You've.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Mentioned Bill not letting you own the podcast during that time.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: You said that was during the COVID that was during
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: this was so our contract was running up.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I think it ended like July thirty first or August first,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: so it's basically two weeks into the bubble. And I
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: told Bill in June, I was like, hey, you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: just so you know, like we are like going to
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: other companies and being like, do you want to help
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: us sell ads on our podcast? I'm you know, I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: want to be transparent with you that this is happening,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: so please make an offer. And you know, they made
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: an offer, but they were the only company that was like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: you can't own it. And this was right around the
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: time of the Ringer sale to Spotify and so and.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Not to mention Barstool with color Daddy, like there was
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of IP conversation.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so that was just it wasn't even
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: it wasn't even a money issue because it honestly, honestly,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the Ringer offered us more guaranteed money than anyone else.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: But it was just like I just wanted to own
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the ip, even like simple stuff that you want to
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: do down the line with you know, conversations or episodes.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: It's like, well if I don't have control of that,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: like what good is it?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: And so it really just became bottom line, like are
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: you gonna let me own it? And he said no,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And I said, okay, no hard feelings, that's fine, We're
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: moving on. No, what was it called before the JJ
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Ready podcast? He wouldn't let yeah, yeah, And and they
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: so we lost.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing that barstool with McAfee. Yeah,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: is a Pat McAfee showing us Pat McAfee two point zero.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Correct for sure, But you just almost think like, man,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it's we lost.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we lost kind of crazy, right, We lost
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: our subscriber base obviously are gonna be the biggest thing, right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And I had done it twice already because I lost
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: it when I left the Ringers O Yahoo, I love
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I lost mine then, so I've had to restart three
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: times basically, which.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Well, what's huge, But I think speaks so good to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: your audience. It was like very like intriguing when like
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: learning about you when we were doing busting with the boys.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Was that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys amassed one hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: within six.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Weeks on on our old Man. Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing that we realized early on.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: It was like an epiphany moment we had. My last
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: year with the Ringer, we did Zion in person in
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: LA and it was his first long form interview. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: we did Jimmy right before the literally two weeks before
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: COVID and March eleventh and the you know, the world shutdown.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Basically we put that on YouTube and those are still
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the two most watched videos on the Ringer YouTube channel.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: So is this a fifty moment?
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: We're like, oh, not only is it audio, Like podcasts
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: should be audio, they should be video, and then we
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: should probably put stuff on social and so like all
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: of those things helped just grow the brand and grow
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the audience. And you know, I talk with people all
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: the time that either want to do business with a
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: podcast or you know, our contract is up, and so
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you know we're talking about potentially, you know, doing deals
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: with other people. But it's like, I don't care about
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: anything else. I just want to grow the audience. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: just want people to appreciate the content. When I have
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: a guest on, I want people to walk away and
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: be like, hey, I'm a fan of that guy now.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Like Pat Beverly is a great example of that, Like
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: he is a divisive player because of whatever however you
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: view his antics on the court. But the greatest compliment
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I can get is like I have Pat Beverly on
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: the show, and people like I used to hate Pat Beverly,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I like him now.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: That to me is like, that's it. That's the juice
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, pretty impressive. And you said yeah, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, you on this. Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: The juice for me is basically coming on YouTube mostly
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and like seeing like subscribers, seeing people commenting and like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: just loving what we're doing. It's it's still a crazy
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: thought process to me that we're sitting here on mics
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: on cameras and you when you play a sport your
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: whole life, and you think, oh, this is all really
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: ever be good at. This is my this is my
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: one crack at the the big whatever I'm supposed to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: do in this world. And then you go branch off
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and do something like this and it's like you don't
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work. Then all of a sudden,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like it's kind of blowing up in a way that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you're like, I can't believe people like this because it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: so natural and easy for us to do. So it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: just fun. I do love it when people come on
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: this this say hey, I thought I didn't like this guy,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but I do like this guy. But for me, it's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: just like it's given me I feel safer in my
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: own life after doing a pod.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, as far as like like.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: We're doing a therapy session, yeah, but it is, Uh,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it's actually thing I think about all the time. There
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: used to be a point in my life where I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was like football, that's like the only main income I have. Like, yeah,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I've made a lot of money in football, but like
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: what if this and what if that? Like, am I
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: gonna ever be able to you know, I'm not gonna
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: have to go work a nine to five job or
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: something like that. And then once we started doing this
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and I started really making money, I was like, oh,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be okay no matter what, Like, no
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: matter what I do in my life, I'm gonna be fine.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like this was like that step, that little piece for
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: me to be like Okay, I'm gonna be all right
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and thing's gonna work out.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I knew going into my last year of my contract
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: with the Pelicans that it was gonna be my last year, and.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: The other side of that was so terrifying. It was
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: so scary.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: And I and I had had a podcast, but I
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: again it was like it was podcasting my future.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't know, And.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: It almost feels weird to say podcasting is my future.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Tstory're like, is that even a thing? But I, oh, yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it's the thing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I know. I know, but like, well, you were like yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: but if you first kind of started like is this
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: really a deal?
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: And like the last three four years, I called into
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: all my parents, Actually, my parents called me because they
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: were worried about me because New Year's morning, we had
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: played a road game in Oklahoma City.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I think the night before I got in late.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I went to bed at like three am, woke up
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: at eight, had a miscall for my mom. So I
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: called my mom back and she was like, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: we're really worried about you. My family was in Brooklyn
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: and I was living on my own in New Orleans,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and I was like super emotional because on Christmas morning,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: we were in Miami and my my wife had sent
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: me a video of my now yeah, five year old
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: running down the stairs to the Christmas tree, and I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: basically checked out at that moment, Like I was like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I just want to be home. I don't want to
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: do this, and my mom, I told my mom, was like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I just want to get in my car and drive
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: from New Orleans back to New York City. I just
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: want to be home. And she's like, why don't you?
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: And I said, because I'm fucking terrified, Mom, Like, I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: so scared of what the rest of my life is. Like,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: think about you guys play U sports. I'm guessing I
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: started at seven years old. I'm thirty seven now, I
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: retired at thirty seven. Thirty years of my life. I'm
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: not great at math, but I would guarantee that's probably
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: high eighty percent of my life. Eighty nine percent of
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: my life has been wrapped up in sports. My identity,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: my ego, structure, everything is so ingrained in being a
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: basketball player and like letting go of that, letting go
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: of that thing, Fuck dude, it was terrifying. But I
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: can say to your point about like feeling safe about it, Like, no,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I can. I can do other things and maybe it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: maybe it's this for a while, maybe it's something else,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: But I'm it's a weird place to be, you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: basically a year out of retirement to be like, Okay,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be fine, my life's gonna be.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, everything's gonna be all right.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be all right, getting to that other side
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: of it, because you're right, like it's that example. We spent,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: however many years of our life just doing one thing,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and I feel like like you're probably the same way.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Like even when you're in it, you have interests, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: every kind of player and athletes feels like they have
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: something they're kind of lining themselves up for. They have
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a curiosity or I'm gonna do this afterwards, everybody feels confident.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: But when those like for me, it was just like
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: three years ago, I thought that could potentially have been
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: my last year.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: And you're just like I was getting into real estate.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I was, I was journaling up the podcast what it
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: could look like, but I was just terrified. I'm like, man,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not playing a whole lot this year, Like this
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: could be it, Like I truly have to. I've always
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: been the guy that felt comfortable and be like, oh,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I'll figure something out, Like I already have a few
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: things going blah blah blah, but man, I really have
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: to figure out like what I enjoy because this could
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: be coming faster than what I realize.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And and for me with.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: The podcast stuff, like it's it's like like when you
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: were saying it like scratches that curiosity that each that
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you have, Like I love like talking to people. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: feel like if I get to learn something about somebody,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: like we've had on like Darren Waller, Max, We've had
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: on a lot of incredible people, but a couple of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: those stories staying now where Max is talking about his sobriety,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Darren Waller's talking about his sobriety and just going in
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: depth and like like giving athletes kind of a platform
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to talk about stuff, and like you said, like I'll
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: you'll have people call and be like, yo, I didn't
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: fuck with that guy, but that's really cool, or it's
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: just like yo, I like this person, but man I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: did not know he fucking went through that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: And it's like really cool that you guys are able
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to like peel back layers.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Because they feel comfortable sitting in front of you, because
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: we're all athletes. Because a lot of stuff that you'll
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: give a microphone or the reporters or something you're either
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: in the locker room when you're you're your backup or
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: somebody that you're competing with sitting next to you, Like
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: guys are around there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna, yeah, everything's up.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna you're not gonna actually give reporters and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: talk about stuff.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Not because you won't give it to the reporter.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: One you won't give it to a reporter, but also
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: like the environment you're in, you're just not your guards up,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: like you said, egos are going and like when you're
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: on something like this, I just feel like everybody feels
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: more comfortable when they're talking with like athletes, or there's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: more of like an unfiltered approach, like being for the boys.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: We tell everybody if there's something that you don't like,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: let us know. We'll take it off. Like we've talked
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: about jerk off stories that somebody's wanted theirs off.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: We kept ours on. But so where it's like, yo,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: just be your talk about that soon. Yeah, yeah, like yo,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: just let it fly and be yourself. And if you're yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and you're driving very much. You want to take it up,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: We'll take it off.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: People ask me all the time what this podcast is about.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I literally go, I think it's just like a bunch
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room talking. Yeah, it's like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the conversations you would have. But another thing to what
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you were saying is, like we talk about all the time,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like how you have like these blinders on here. You
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: are so zoomed into the world that you live in,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and like not only let's say, besides the podcast, like football,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Like I go and play football, and then I spend
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: time in the off season watching free agency, and then
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I spend time watching the combine. Then I watched the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: draft and see you the guys I'm gonna go again soon,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: what they're gonna be like, and then the like shortly
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: after that, the schedule comes out, and then you're in
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: OTAs and then you have that six weeks break where
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you're just so focused and in like your fight camp,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: going into camp.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: It's a year round thing.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And what this has allowed us to do, or especially myself,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: because I get super caught up in like thinking like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: everyone is so focused and dialed in on Tennessee Titan
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: football when really, if I just like zoom out for
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a second, it's like there's a there's a bunch of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: people that are but for the most part, like, ain't
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: nobody gives a shit what I'm doing.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It's like I'll be in camp and it'll be the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: middle of August and it's I'm right in the middle
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of the start is too far to see and the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and the end's not close enough, and you're just kind
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of like fucking in it. And you have a day
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: off and you go drive home and you say, you
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go cruise.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Down Broadway real quick and see what's going on.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And you go down Broadway and you see every type
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: of person walking up and down, drinking, having a good
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: time going.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: They don't give two shits.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: At the Tennessee Times had practice today, or we were
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: watching film or who We're gonna play, And it allows
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you to be like, oh, like I'm gonna be It's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be all right. It kind of comes down to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is like, oh, this isn't as overwhelming consuming to everybody
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: as you think it is.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I experienced that at Duke because I felt like I
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: feel like they all wanted it there. Like I was
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: in a fishball at Duke and I got on the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: other side of it. I was like, oh, you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: like Duke basketball, Like it's well known, but it's not
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: actually like that important. But at the time, it felt
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: like every single thing I did was live or die.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: It felt very intense to me. I did to ask
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you guys a question because I was my best friend
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: he works in television LA and I had lunch with
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: him yesterday and I was talking about the other side
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: of sports, you know, being retired and whatever, and he's like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you know, you used to used to say this shit
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: all the time when when you were a player, Like
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: used to say you wanted to quit, used to say
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: you wanted to retire. And I'm like, I'm curious if you, guys,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: in your career, even if it was a great season,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: that moment you're talking about when you're driving down Broadway
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: and you're like, people are just having a normal good time.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Like there's so many things that I felt like I
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: miss missed out on, like Christmas being an example. I
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: think I think I played on Christmas Day twelve times
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: in fifteen years, and I carried I carried like a
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: little bit of resentment about that, Like I don't know
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: what it was, And there were moments where I was like,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you know, I could do something, why don't I do
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: something else? Like I started thinking about that actually was
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: right after I had my first kid, because I could
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: change my perspective about my time basically, and I, I
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: don't know, it's like I was. I was definitely still
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: into it, and I was definitely still committed, even more
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: so at the end of my career. I was a
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: fucking psycho, But like I still carried like a little
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: bit of resentment about all the things that went into
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: it that prevented me from doing other things.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Did you guys, Do you guys feel that at all?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: If I feel like me feeling it, it was probably
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: if anything, in the last couple of years, like when
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm kind of like I have a foot
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: out the door, like I kind of know what I
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: want to lean into and do when I'm done now
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: with busting with the boys and everything else, and so
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you think about it a lot more like when I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: in the season. But I would say like the first
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: large the first like seven years, I more so think
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like I can't wait to do this when football's over with, like.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Because it would be the same thing like with Thanksgiving.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You don't get to do any of the holidays like
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: during the season, like Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas, all these things.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: New Years, it'd be more so like I can't wait
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to do this, like when I get done.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Playing complaining not complaining. No, but it's because it's a
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: great life and I'm I was. I never felt any
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: sense of like ingratitude. I was always grateful. I was
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: always you know, I would still like even my fifteen
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: year super frustrated, like dude, I have fucking thirty six
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: and I'm in the NBA, Like how fucking cool is this?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I loved it
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: every day, but still there were there were moments. There
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: were moments.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Everyone goes through the grass is greener. And the thing
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: is there's so many different lives you can live on
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: this world. Yeah, and so everyone always daydreams to think
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: about what if. I always I remember being in college
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and like having to get my weight up because I
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: came into college super underweight. I remember thinking to myself, like, man,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: when I'm done playing football, I'm gonna be so like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: jacked and skinny, and like I still to this day,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I cannot I can't wait to fucking
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: lose sixty pounds, you know, and I can't wait to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: do this and this, and there was I mean we
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: talked about it. We talked about all the time, Like
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: during the season last year, the season I was having
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I had him over the houses like I'm I'm gonna retire.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm done, like and you kind of but that's when
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you're like so in it, and then you start to realize, like, hey,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you're in the NFL.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: How cool is this?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Regardless, Like it's just hope you're living every kid's dream
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: has to be a professional athlete at like it's some position.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: We did it, we made graduations, made it, and it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: just cool. It's a cool vibe. But yeah, there are
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: there's always something that you want to do other than
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: what you're doing at that moment.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: YEA, yeah, I think I've retired with the last three years.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, every year, this is it, this is known will.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Every single year he's been like this is the last one,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: this is the last one. And now we're talking about
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: your ten. You know, it's just crazy. Do you think,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: like I'm curious too, do you.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Think there's a difference in basketball and football like doing
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the media stuff and having personalities? But I think because
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's like it's wild that Draymond has a podcast.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, but I'm like, damn, like he's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: got some stones. When you go do a podcast like
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: right after a game and talking about the game, do
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you feel like there's a difference there because you obviously
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: did the pot for like five years, Like what's the sense? Like,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: what's the sense like when you're around all the guys,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Because when I went to Vegas last year, like everybody
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: kind of knew about the podcast.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I know everybody liked this, so it was all good.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: But when I was in the building and seeing guys
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: work and appreciating kind of like, damn, like these dudes
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: like fucking they love like I.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Love ball, but I'm like they love ball way more
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: than the spot that I'm at in my career right now.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: To where you almost you almost feel bad bringing up
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: any of the stuff because you don't want to seem
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: like you're like not in it as much as they are.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I go back to that point.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: I don't I go back to like any teammate I've
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: ever been around, like saw the dedication and work I
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: put in, So I never sort of worried about that.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: On the basketball football side, I mean, that's probably part
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: of a larger conversation just about the empowerment that NBA
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: players have right now, the player empowerment era that we're
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: in the middle of right.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Now, relative to the NFL.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: And I don't think the NFL has gotten to the
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: level that the NBA has. And probably some of that
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: is are guaranteed contracts are the way the more you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: again it's you get the right guys.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: You can not predict, like it's a lot more competitive now,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: but it's a lot easier to predict what Lebron.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And these boys on this team, like these teams are
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: going to see each other in the final.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: There's also just inherently because of the way your cap works,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: there's there's like more parody in the NFL and because
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: it's a two way sport like.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: In the NBA.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: It's like, if you're one of the five best players
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: or ten best players like.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: You, you fucking run it. You run it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Some guys don't take advantage of that. Some guys do
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: but there's just more. I just believe inherently there's more power.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: If you are Lebron James, or you're a Kawhi Leonard
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: or Kevin Durant, there's you just carry more than even
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: a great All Pro NFL player does. It's just the
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: way the sport works.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Plus, guys probably when you say run at your I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: mean like they run practice and meetings and they say,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: we're fucking this is what we're doing.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: There's input on everything. You haven't put on everything.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys like Aaron Rodgers are
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning pay There's very few guys.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Kind of but I think every team in the all
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: thirty teams probably you could probably name five guys in
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the NFL.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Ten guys.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe they could name the best wide receiver in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: NFL and yeah, but then he's not he's not having
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: input on like who they should draft, right, they should trade? Yes,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: where in the in the NBA, the top two guys
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: on pretty much every team. I mean I had that
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: with the Clippers, and I was like the fourth or
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: fifth guy you know I had. I would talk to Doc,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I would talk to l Frank, I would talk to
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Steve Balmer, like I had that. You know, I had
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: that with Philly when I went there, Like I wasn't
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: even one of the best players, and I just I
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: just think that because of I don't know if it's
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: less guys or it's just like, you know, we're on
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: the court the whole time. You know, in the NFL
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: you're playing offense or you're playing defense. And to a
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: degree too, it's like the NBA, a great player can
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: impact the game more than a great NFL player because
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I don't want to no, I agree make brodg gener rallies,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: but in general, like in the NFL, like on a play,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: you have a specific task.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: In the NBA, it's it's.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: A little more organic where a player's talent can sort
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: of shine in a bunch of different right, does that makes.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Sense that you guys make the mannings thereon Rodgers the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady's like, if you play, if you play good offense,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: like running the ball, and you can keep them off
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the field, like you can keep those guys off the field,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: like those quarterbacks need the defense. I mean the special
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: teams in literally everybody just as much as.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: They feel like they can affect basketball.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: It seems like, well it seems like not knowing basketball,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: but like it seems like you have two or three
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: dudes you can take over and do whatever the fuck
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you want.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Almost yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Pretty much like when Lebron as long as those dudes
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: were like good in twenty twenty two and not the
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: last time they were good was like twenty sixteen, Like
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: the Lakers this year, right, they built a team around
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: guys that were good six.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Years now as h is that?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Why then? Is that? Though? Yeah? Yeah, he still is.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I mean where would you rank him in the top
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: ten today? I mean he's in the top ten. I
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: don't know, he's to five. Though.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: It's hard to judge based on this year just because
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: of how bad that team was and how badly that
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: roster was constructed. You know, I probably to a degree,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Net's not as bad of a roster, but
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: also equally bad because it's the NBA has changed, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: it's very recent the NBA has changed.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Like I really believe.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: You need homegrown talent like you have the draft. Well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that's that's the inefficiency in the marketplace. You have to
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: draft well, you have to have homegrown talent, you can't
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: buy championships anymore because you need all the ancillary pieces.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: You can go get two or three great players that
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: are super max or max players. You need really good
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: players three through seven, three through eight. And if you're
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: going to have two or three Max guys, those guys
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: have to be on rookie contracts or you have to
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: be really good with finding bart players and free agency.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: But if you okay, So if you're the La Rams.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: They went and they didn't do anything in the draft,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and there's fifty three guys on a roster in the NFL,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: how come the you can't do that in the NBA anymore.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It seems like it'd be way easier to go pay
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: seven or eight guys and then and then have them
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: be a super team. You say, you think that can't
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: happen anymore once when the Rams just did that with
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: way more guys.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: see what I'm saying.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not again, I haven't put my GM hat on
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: to be an NFL GM. Yeah, I have put it
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: on to be an NBA GM. Right, it's just the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: general way our our cap works. So there's a there's
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: a cap, and then there's a luxury tax, and there's
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: a there's a hard cap, an apron, there's a you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the difference between the luxury tax and the hard cap
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: is like an apron. So once you get into like
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: two max players, then it's like, all right, we have
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: thirteen roster spots we need to fill out with. Essentially,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: the supermaxes are so high now, essentially like forty million dollars,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: so on average, you're going to pay guys three million
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: dollars a year, which is what the Lakers did this year.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: They signed you know, Avery Bradley, Trevor Reza, DeAndre Jordan,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: like all these guys on minimum contracts. Well, if you're
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: a free agent and you're trying to get paid and
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: another team has let's say the mid level, which is
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year, you're probably gonna go take
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that versus two point five, you know what I mean.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: So it's just the nature of the salary cap. So
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: unless you have those guys that you drafted and they're
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: still on their rookie contract and you're able to pay
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: those players once they become free agents because you have
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: their bird rights.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: But that's the challenge the right bird rights? Bird rights?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: What's the bird rights? Bird rights?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Basically, if you're drafted by a team and then you're
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: you're a free agent, and that team is over the
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the what the salary the what's the thard cap? Yeah,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: salard cap. If you're over the star cap, you can
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: resign them. Came in with Larry Bird. So like if
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: when I signed with Philly on the one year deal,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: they didn't have my bird rights the fallowing summer, So
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: when Lebron didn't sign there, they sign me on another
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: one year deal. Had I resigned there, they could have
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: gone over the luxury tax because after two years you
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: have early bird rights, after three you have full bird rights.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And this is all because of Larry Bird. It's all
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: because of Larry Bird. Do you care to explain that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: situation to me at all?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I Again, I'm not a complete basketball historian, but my
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: general knowledge of the situation is that the salary cap
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: came into place sometime in the nineteen eighties and Larry
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Bird's rookie contract was over and the Celtics wanted to
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: resign him, but they couldn't go over the salary cap
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: to re sign him. So there was a rule put
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: in place in the collective Barging Agreement that you could
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: resign your own free agents to go over the salary
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: cap as long as you had bird rights.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, it was a good explanation. That's a
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: great explanation. The well, not a historian, but here's exactly
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: what you need to know.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: In the for the Rams question, I feel like they've
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: been kind of cooking that team up for a couple
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: of years.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I mean like each year they've kind of added a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: different place. And mind you, they drafted Aaron Donald. They
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: drafted they've had it. They had Aaron Donald. He realized like, okay,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they missed, they're missing a qbpiece. They were able to
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: trade Mats Stafford and they probably feel like got Stafford,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: they got Obj. They were close enough if they just
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: needed if they got like the Obj and the von
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Mill and they probably sat there and they're like, hey,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: fuck these draft picks, like let's try to win the
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: I was made it fascinating with the NFL, like how
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: you guys can sign a contract and then like two
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: years later, like a new contract happens. We're like we
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: you know, we sign a contract like we can't renegotiate
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: our contract if we're going to make let's say a
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: guy's gonna make twenty million dollars and a team wants
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: to go sign another player. They're not going to go
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: to that player and be like, hey, will you take
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: ten next year? You know, it's like yeah, no, it's
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: just like guaranteed, like that's what you get.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then also it's a real issue on.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Harry Beard is like it's like this guy's cat he's
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: gonna make thirty seven million dollars, but his cap hits thirteen.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: And it all.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It really depends on that ship. To me, it depends
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: on teams and how much like money they have. Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like if you're if your owner has lots of money,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and really the cap doesn't really matter, right because we'll
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: be making ten million dollars and his cap it's going
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to be seven. Yeah, we're gonna say, allright, hey, well
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna give you nine million dollars in a signing
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: bonus right now. So now your capit's one and you're
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: making minimum this year. It's just a crazy concept. Yeah,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. And we have a lot of tenders.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of like the tenders are wild.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: The fifth year, there's a fifth year option where if
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you're first you're a first round draft pick, it's a
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: four year contract with an option for the team to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: pick up a fifth year option. Mind you, you can
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: get franchise tag twice too, because you can literally play
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: seven years on one deal.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Basically.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're out playing your contract, your rookie,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: we're about to get paid, they can put a fifth
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: year option on you. And the fifth year option is
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: like you make an average of what the top ten
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: guys are making or something like that, which is usually
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: top three or four guys make a lot of money
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and there's a big there's a big difference in the bottom,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: so you kind of average out position at your position,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and then you can get actually get another I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you can put another option on the guy.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: No, that's a fresh eye stack. That's fresh eye stack.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: It's the average of the top three. Right, Yeah, they
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: have the top three players. But yeah, you get this
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: crazy on these one year, one year deal and they
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: have your rights for like Taylor said, like up to
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: seven years if they actually wanted to. But rookies nowadays,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: like if you start out performing your deal, like going
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: into that fifth year. If like they try a fifth
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: year option, you guys are getting a lot. You know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: guys are like holding out or saying that they won't
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: play like that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: You guys will hold out.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And usually what teams do is they'll pick up your
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: fifth year option and then they'll negotiate as you're going
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: into your fourth year or your fifth year. It doesn't
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: really it doesn't really matter anymore, but it just gives
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: them more time. Just in case, I signed my second
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: contract going into my fourth year, but they already picked
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: up my fifth year option.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: They have to pick it up by what your third year,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: like by like may or may or third year. It's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: it's a wild deal. It's a wild deal. The it's it's.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Crazy when you when you're an NFL player and you
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: guys are we're all sitting here talking about money and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and then we look at the NBA.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: It's like, Yo, it's fucking wild. How these guys kind
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: of just run the show.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: It really is just like like mother fuck like these
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: yous are just making like I think Derek Carr literally
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: play that much right right right million dollars dude. Derek
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: car signed his contract, not this most recent one, but
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the one before that. And somebody tweeted him it was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty million dollars country or something
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: like that, and he's like, hey, congratulations, you make as
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: much as a sixth man in the NBA.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Now not true. Well that someone says like that, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's just fucking wild. That's nice, But
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the money, stra have you been a non start and
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: made a nice little baggy?
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: My two year deal with the Pelicans was nice. Yeah,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I mean I made like thirteen and a half or
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: something a year and you were in the top five.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: And I wasn't a sorry, Yeah, that's crazy, that's wild.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: It's good for you. I'm thinking, that's crazy. Like I
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: didn't play either, give me that. That's crazy. If you're
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: not a starter and a half million dollars different, it's different.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know how different. How is it? What do
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: you I played my first year.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: At the twenty eight minutes a game and scored over
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: fifteen points and was second the league in three point percentage.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Go off game. All right, okay, we listen.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: A guy, a guy in the NFL who's not a
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: starter might play ten snaps a game, like there's a dip.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: That's my point. There's a difference. So you're still getting
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: I'm right here on the bus, look at me. You
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: might not play stuff in the NFL. He's just like,
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: just look at me.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Man. I didn't say it. You know what I'm saying.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: You're you're paid.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: You're paid in the NBA based on production, and so
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: you don't have to be a starter to produce.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: That's where the difference is. That's true. And you guys
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: have like way like less guys. We have less guys.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and again it goes back if you're generally speaking,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: you have like a max guy or a couple of
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: max guys. You have a couple guys that get salary
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: cap which is what every time I was a free agent,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: I signed with cap space. I signed with to a
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: team with cap space. Then you have like the exceptions,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: the mid level exception. Then if you're over the tax
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: you have the tax payer mid level exception, which is
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: about half of the mid level exception, and then everything
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: else is like minimum.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: So it just depends on yours service.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: So like if you're a ten year guy, I think
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: minimum is two point seven something like that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: A nice man that's a nice little baggy.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, as a tenurey, I think it's one
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: one front player is from the minimum.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: So now you're on our side. You see him change
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the tune a little bit. Yeah, that's minimum after you've
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: played like eight or nine.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Ten years. Mind, this pastor is based on like nine
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: eighty maybe, I think that's what it is. How many guys?
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: How many guys minimum? Guys though, that are like balling
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: that are starting and producing. And I'm not saying they're
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: like necessarily all pro players, but they're they're good.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: They're really good. Well, you've right out well in analytics,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I see. I think analytics is a it's not not
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: the move, but this is a yeah. Well yeah, I
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: know you have a bad taste about like analytics and
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: the peple.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think it makes a whole It doesn't make
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. Styles like you can do
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: it for quarterbacks maybe wide receivers. You can do it
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to an extent, I feel like extent, but it doesn't
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: start the entire story. When people say numbers agree with you,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the numbers of the entire story, I disagree with that whole,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: whole hearted, And I.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Love analytics in basketball, there's the most beautiful synergy that
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: I've you know, can witness and Synergy, by the way,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: is a name of advanced stats company.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: The most beautiful synergy that I can see.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Like, when I analyze this stuff is my eye is
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: telling me something and I'll hit up a couple of
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: people I use for advanced stats and some of the
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: stuff I check myself. But I'm not great on second spectrum.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: I don't really know how to operate it. So I'll
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: be like, hey, it feels like this team is running
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: way more ISOs this series and they don't run a
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: lot of ISOs in the regular season.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Can you look that up?
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, they're running forty
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: percent more ISOs during this series than they do do
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: it in the regular season. I'm like, oh, it matches up.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Sometimes the eye test and the analytics they match up.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Sometimes the analytics tell us stuff we can't see with
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: our eyes, and sometimes the analytics lie to us with
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: what we see with our eyes. Yeah, Like Devin Books
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: are an example of this. He is I think third
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: on he was like third on the Suns this year
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: and wins right, he's going to be first Team All NBA.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: He was top five in MVP voting, like he was
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: their best player this year, but because of how analytics
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: great players out, he didn't fare particularly well. Like you're
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: always going to in the NBA, You're always going to
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: need volume shot creators, and he's great at that, and
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: he does it at a fairly efficient level.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: And my eye can tell me that. But the analytics
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: they lied to me. They lied to me. They don't
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: tell me he's as great as he is. Very well
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: spoken man, he is. Jevin Booker, you are sure sure?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I don't know, Devin Bucket answer your question
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: about the minimum things.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like it probably happens more.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: For like defensive guys than offensive, Yeah, because if you're
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: if you're if you're like on offense, I feel like
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: when you're like when you're having a year like it's
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: it's it's easier to see. Yeah, Like defense could be
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: harder because there's a lot of variables that you sometimes
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: need to go to your way, like as far as
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: opportunity and everything else. So if you might see a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: minimum guy bawling on a minimum contract, I feel like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: it's probably like a vet that's on like a one
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: your deal, probably defensively.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: So here's another question I ask for you.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I have you guys on my podcast right now,
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: but I have another question for you. I'm curious about
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: this seriously. I think about the NBA and like a
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: guy who's a free agent who needs to put up numbers,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Like in the NBA, it's a lot of it is
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: like your points, your rebounds, your assists, field goal percent,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: all that stuff, like you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Need to put up numbers.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: And so there's a way for a guy to basically
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: have goods counting stats, earn a nice contract, but have
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: literally no impact on winning, either because he's playing on
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: a bad team or because of his role and he
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: just you know, he's able to just shoot the ball
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: whenever he wants. Now, I wonder if the NFL, if
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: you're able to do that, Like if a guy's a
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: free agent, like, can you hide behind statistics or is
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: in the NFL are you just exposed at all time
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: if what you do doesn't impact winning.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I think to another one that goes for defense, because
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: you can hide behind statistics in a lot of way ways.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: If because a.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Guy, say a defensive end, he can have a lot
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of sacks. You can look at him and be like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: oh that you had twelve sacks here, Holy shit, And
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: then you go watch his film and these he might
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: not be beating guys one on one. The quarterback might
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: be holding the ball really long, or he gets flushed
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: out of the pocket the wrong way. It's an effort sack,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of wait, a lot of waste, which is
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: one of the arguments I would have had with what's
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: his name?
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Who loves t J.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Watt Jersey Jerry is TJ. Wat's an ubelievable defensive end.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: He deserves everything he's getting, but a lot of his
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: sacks or effort sacks as well, like he beats dus
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, he fucking murders.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Cats out other statistics for that, like how many times
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: you beat.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: You there are Yeah, yeah, that's where PFF comes in
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and play Pro Football Focus. The thing Will was kind
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: of alluding to with me was with PFF, they gray
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: everybody every single day, and they they have like these
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: numbers come out and it's a very difficult thing to
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: do for my position because you don't there's a thousand
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: different ways to run one play, and based on how
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: we run ours it's different than Washington does, or San
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Francisco does, or you know, and so when you go
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to grade it, you can't grate us all the same.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: And so you need to have somebody, let's literally in
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the building to know what to do. And that's where
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I kind of get off like a little upset with numbers, right,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: because there's times there's one I won't.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: To go back to this, the task part of it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: You could do your task, but someone through their bias
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: of how they think the task should be run right,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: grades you a different way.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: But internally the Titans could be like, oh, you did
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: that perfectly right.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: And there was a point in twenty sixteen where I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: was the grade of the number one tackle for the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: first nine weeks of the season, and I said the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: same thing then too. It's just like they don't really
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: know what they're talking about when it comes to offense lineman. Now,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, I think runn backs would be another difficult
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: one to do. I think defenses will be very pretty hard.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: It depends, like with a O lineman that you could
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: see it like if you're moving the guy out of
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the gap, like you could be doing the task, but
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: are you are you moving him to the sideline. Like
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: for me as a backer, like I could take a
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I could take an offensive lineman on in the hole.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: But if we're stagnant or I'm barely getting moved even
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: though I'm doing the right thing, like I know, mom,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: leveraging the right side to our but all these guys
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: don't know what to talk. Tower takes on more of
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: a more of a thudder, Dante Hi. Tower takes on.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Somebody puts the offensive lineman in the gap. You'd see
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: why he'd get like a better grade because he's he's
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: physically moving the guy more, which could play into.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: It a spill.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy because defense doesn't feel the same
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: way when you're talking about some of the basketball Stuff'm like,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I kind of don't know what that means.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: But he makes that shit sound great. It's crazy, right,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and but yeah, that's a crazy world, more so.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Defense, where you could hide behind staff like dbst who
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: get a lot of picks. You have like you got
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of picks, you made a lot of plays
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: on the ball, you get a lot of sacks. He
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: could be a bad run defender, like maybe he's rushing
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to get a sack every damn play right.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: That's a great point. Yeahb's too. It's like, if you
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: get a lot of picks, that means they're throwing the
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: ball on your side, right, or if you're a safety
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: to safeties do like Kevin Byron.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: He's on the Titans. He had a lot of interceptions
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: this past year and he's just in the right place
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: at the right time.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Again, full quarterbacks that type of thing.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: But if you're a corner one on one like drel
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Revis at one point when he was on Revis Island
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: is like he it was like, you don't even throw
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to that area, Like he just lost.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Dudes down the great.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Ones, like they probably won't have a lot of stats
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: because then the ball's not thrown to him, right, you
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: know how it is?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: So it all comes down Who's who's the cornerback for
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Keep going ahead and we'll keep going
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, No, the corner of his digs. It's the
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Trevon Diggson Diggs.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: He's a guy. I saw a stat. I don't know
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: if this is true or not.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: He had the most interceptions in the NFL last year,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: but he also had the most yards given up by
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: any cornerback too.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: But he was all pro. He would play aggressively.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: You could beat him on a double move because he's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: like looking to get a pick and he trying to
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: get them.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Pichy, he is a stud. But yeah, like like the
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: great ones.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: But you know how it is, like all those numbers,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: all that stuff comes down to like trying to gain leverage,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: like in a negotiation.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: So some guys it does work out, you know, others
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: you know it might not. But it all comes down
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: to probably another thing. Another thing is too just like
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: supplying demand.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys would going to free agency
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and you'll be like, he's not that good, but he
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: gets broke off because this team needs there's let's say
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: there's market.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: The markets.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Many tackles missed out on twenty sixteen free agency by
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: a year. I was a free agent twenty seventeen. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: tried to get a player option for sixteen after the
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: sixteen year. I didn't get it with my Clippers contract,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: and I missed out. Like that summer was bombers. That
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: was the summer where you know Timothy Bosley and I've
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: got sixty four million dollars from the Lakers.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Holy shit.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna take a break from old man
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: and three we're gonna get to bust with the boys
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go with that.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Dude, I want to talk about like I know you've
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: talked about it openly, but like your Duke days, like
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you were one of the most hated players in college
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: basketball like history, like obviously Duke as well, but like
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: it just in college basketball in general, And there were
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: times where you talked about quitting, and I've seen that
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: you did.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Is it true that you've changed your number at times?
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Like your cell phone number?
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, So yeah, I mean my my sophomore year,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I've probably changed it ten or fifteen times. There were
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: so many nights that year where I don't know who
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: was the culprit who from it was somebody from Duke
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: that had a friend at another school that would pass
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: along my number, and you know, it was un C
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: fans mostly and Maryland fans mostly, And back then I
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: had the Nokia, you know, and so like I don't
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: know if you could do this maybe in like the
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: upgraded model my junior and senior year, but early on,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: like you couldn't like an alarm and simultaneously have it
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: on silent, so I would just get calls all night long,
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: like thirty forty calls, you know, as soon as like
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: the number shows up at a Maryland party or at
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: a Maryland bar, like my shit's blown up, over and
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: over and over again.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: So I, yeah, I had to deal with that.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: There were you know, there were times that Maryland fans
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: would call me, they would call me the Antichrist, which
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: just like what again, this is true?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: No, it's wonder but the watch it goes back.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: To why I sort I felt like, in a way,
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: we're all the main character in our own story, right,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: We're all little bit in our stasistic I think inherently. Yeah,
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: but you know, Duke felt like this this this fish bowl,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: and I was like the main character and everybody, everybody
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: really hated me, and it was it was tough to
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: deal with. So yeah, my sophomore year, and I may
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: have told this story with with Dan and Eric on
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: their pod, but my sophomore year, I called my sisters
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: to campus. It was during the Christmas break. I told
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: him to come over from Raleigh and they came over.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: There was this chicken place and we grabbed a chicken
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: sandwich and I was like I'm done, like I want
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: to quit, and they're like, what do you mean? I
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: was like, I just I was like, I want to
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: be a normal student. I want to go to class.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: I want to be a frat kid. I think I
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: probably said I wanted to write poetry. I think that
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: probably came poetry when you're depressed.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: That is the move. It is the move.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: And and then I didn't quit. Second semester, I went
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: into what I would describe as a spiral. I was
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: out every night nights before games. I would drink twenty
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: five thirty beers nights before games. Yeah, show up the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: next day.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Many beers I counted, really crushing, like the marker on
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: the wrist.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: I moved after the season. There do you guys remember
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: the OC? Please tell me you watch the OCA.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I remembered it, but I did not watch it.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: That was the show when I was in college. That
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: was like we would record it on VHS. We record
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: it and like watch it later. So it was a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Thursday and I was like, OC's on tonight, and I
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to see how many beers I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: can drink tonight. And I started at eight o'clock when
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: the OC came on and I got to like thirty
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: nine by the next morning, and and it was just
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: like that was my second semester at Duke. I was
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: just I was out of control. And a little bit
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: of it was immaturity and selfishness. A little bit of
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: it was rebellion because I had my whole sporting life
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: since I was seven years old. And watch Christian Latner
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: hit the shot to be Kentucky, I was like, I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: want to go to Duke. I want to go to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: and it was like a dream come true. And then
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I get to Duke and I'm like, oh, everyone fucking
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: hates my guts, Like this is not what I signed
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: up for.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Why did everyone?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Why did anyone hate you so much? Because I was
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: a Duke. I mean, if I had gone to Florida
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: or Uva, like it would have been fine. I would
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: just would have been a normal kid. I would have
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: had that hate vibe home. They do they do, and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: it's like the white villain at Duke like that was
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: that was definitely part of it. I was next in
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: line for that because we I mean we had we
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: had like eleven or twelve games my freshman year that
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: we played at the beginning of the season. It was
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: like home games, and then we played like UCLA in Indianapolis.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: We played Ohio State in Greensboro for the big TENNESSEEC Challenge.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: We'd have a road game till after the new year,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: and we go to Clemson. We come out for warm
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: ups in the entire student sections chanting shit. Two weeks later,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: we go to UVA, my home state. There's all these students.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: I had really bad bacne in college and I had
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: there's all these kids wearing like makeshift white Duke for
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Duke number four jerseys and they had painted like red
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: dots on their shoulders.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Hilarious. By the way, I thought it was hilarious. I was,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I was very sensitive. You think it was funny?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: I did, even though it was really sensitive about you know,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: my my shoulder acting. I was like, man, that's that's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: fucking creative. Why didn't you go t shirt unto the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: jersey then if you're so, if you're insecure about it.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: It was a rule, we couldn't do it. I convinced
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: him onphomore year. I went into his office. I may
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: have cried, and I was just like, you gotta let
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: me know. Shit shirt under my jersey. Damn you may
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: you say may have? I cried, Yeah, yeah, yeah we did.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: That's that's a real deal. So the end of my
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: sophomore year, we lost in the final four. It was
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: a it was a low point for me. We we
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: lost to Yukon. We were up eight with like three
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: and a half minutes to go and they came back
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: and I had a chance twice, actually, once to take
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: the lead with like ten seconds left. I got stripped
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: and then I had a chance with like five seconds
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: left to hit a three to tie us and I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: missed them both, and I just like that spiral that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I was on went even deeper, and coach would like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: make me come in on Saturday mornings to his office
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: and he would meet with me, and he told me
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: during one of those meetings, he said, we didn't win
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: a national championship because you weren't worthy to be a champion.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: It's like the meanest thing everyone's ever said to me.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: And it was true, it was true, but it was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: like so soul cutting right. That sent me further down.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: So I then my parents, because they knew I was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: having a tough time for Christmas had given me a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: toy airplane.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what the it was a ticket.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: Basically, They're like, wherever you want to go after the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: school year's out, you can go. So I'm like all right.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, I want to go see my buddy,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: duke soccer player. I want to go see my buddy
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: in California. So I planned this trip. We went to Davis, California.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: We went to the Bay, we went to Santa Barbara,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: went to La drove back up.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: By the time I got to the trip, my parents
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: knew that I was in a really bad place. I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: had seven dollars in my checking account. They're like, we're
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: not going to give you any money for this trip.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: We'll let you still go on the trip, not gonna
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: give any money. I basically like bummed off people. For
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: those like ten days I was out there. And I
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: got back from the trip, and I was supposed to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: finish an incomplete because I had k not gone a
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: class all semester either, so I was supposed to finish
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: it and complete. So I'm hanging out my buddy's apartment
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: for like two weeks, and I would wake up at
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: like two pm in the afternoon, I'd start chugging beers.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: I'd have a burrito party through the night, wake up
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: at two pm. I did that for two straight weeks.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: No one knew where I was. I told my parents
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: I was in summer school. I told Duke I was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: back home finishing my incomplete. One day, I get a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: fucking wrap rap rap at noon on the door of
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: the apartment and it's Coach Collins and Coach Wojo.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: So I walked downstairs. I've literally got by the way.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I have one outfit. I've got. It's an ABC.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: It's a blue Abercrombie shirt and Abercrombie cargo show.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: It was the time.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: It was the time, and I've and I've got these
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: these flip flops that I had bought at the Gap
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: in San Francisco, my last five dollars. They were on sale,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: and they're like, they're like, come outside. So I'm like,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: all right, So I'm two, I'm probably one ninety five.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: I'm two twenty five. Bro, I'm fucking fatty. I'm fat
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: as fuck. I hadn't shaved in like three weeks. My
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: hair is like sa frat boy hair, you know what
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, a little wavy, little curently right over the years.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: They're like, you know, come outside. We get in the car,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: we drive all the way back to camp possible, like
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: where's your anxiety?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I when these dudes knock on the door ten out
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: of ten, ten out of ten, which is debilitating.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Debilitating. There was bongs everywhere as well, like it was bad.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: It was a bad scene, beer beer cans everywhere. In
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: a way though, and I'll in a way, I was like, finally, really, yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: someone came to get me. I was like finally. And
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: so they we go to campus. We're getting ready to cook.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: This is a random part of the story. But we
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: get we get ready to turn on campus and Wojo
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: looks in the rear of community. He's like, nobody said
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: a word by the way since come outside. Like I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: just followed them into the car. We get to campus
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: and he's like, so, what have you been doing? And
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know why I said this,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: but I was like watching movies.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: So they took me up to Coach K's office. They
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: dragged me through the through the fifth floor. He's on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: the sixth floor. They dragged me through the fifth floor
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: to embarrass me and shame me, which I love that
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: they did that because wo Joe and Collins are complete
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: assholes and I love them to death. So they dragged
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: me through I'm like looking like shit, and then we
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: go up to Coach's office. We had a lot, like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: a long hour and a half meeting, and you know,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: they they basically it was basically an ultimatum. It was like, dude,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: we're not gonna kick you off the team. We're not
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: going to kick you off camp, you know, out of school,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: but you need to get your shit together, and like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: we're gonna get you, you know, the help you need.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: So like I started seeing a therapist, saw a therapist
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: the rest of my time at Duke that summer.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I saw a psychiatrist as well.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: They put me on a fucking hourly schedule that sum
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: and it was dude, I swear to god, I still
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: have the sheet. Is eight am, wake up, nine am,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: check in, ten am class, you know, one pm, study hall,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: two pm, court, three pm, weights, four pm run, five pm,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: pick up, six pm, dinner, eight pm, you know, you're
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: in your apartment, ten pm lights out. And I did
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: that all summer with they check in your apartment to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: it was funny because it was two weeks into summer school,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: so I didn't have i'd have petitioned the dean to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: get back into summer school.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: They let me back in.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: I took a class on the Civil War and there's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: the start of my transformation as a student as well
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: that summer.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: I got basically straight a's after that.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: But because it was so late in the summer, they
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: were like, we don't like all the all your teammates,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: all the managers, everybody, you know that they already have roommates.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: So there was this random dude, I don't know his name.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: There's this random dude on Central campus. They were like,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: there's a person that has an extra bedroom in the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: two bedroom apartment on Central Campus. You're gonna live with
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: this person. And he'd no affiliation to anyone I knew
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: any affiliation of the team. And I walked in the apartment.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, I'm going through some shit.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: I would appreciate it. I'm going to be friendly to you,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: but I appreciate it if you just like let me
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: let me be for the next like six weeks.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: And he's like, what a first impression? Yeah? Yeah, So
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: what did he say?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: To you, He's like okay, O, good, no worries, and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: I would like see him like later on, like my
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: junior and senior.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Year, and it was like it was like a passing,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of like I didn't know his name. No,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: he probably talks about you all the time. He probably
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: talks about you all the time, dude, probably talking about
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: he was instrumental and JJ reddick, jj reddick.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when I met him, he was going through it
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: was done. Yeah, see what he's done that schedule. That
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: was life changing because that became the rest of my life.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: And I wouldn't have done what I did in the NBA,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: or don't even done what I did. A duke had
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: the length of career I had.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I was. I mean, from that point on, I.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Was a psycho. I was an absolute psycho. It was
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: like diligent routine. My schedule takes precedence over everything. I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: need to get my work done, I need to get
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: my sleep, I need to eat right. I'm going to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: go after it like that over and over and over again.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: And I did that for the rest of my career.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, dude, that's an incredible deal.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think like discipline Discipline's the number
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: one thing you need for success, is what you're saying. Well,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: I think obsession is I agree with that. I think
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: because even with like a creative you don't necessarily need
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: discipline if you're super talented. I know guys in the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: NBA that aren't as disciplined as I was. I know
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: guys that probably are more disciplined than I was. Like I,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: it's obsession. It's like the true love, the stuff we
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: were talking about earlier about like fuck, man, I want
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: to go have a beer on Broadway, or fuck I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: want to go, you know, have Thanksgiving dinner with my family,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: all those things, like we have to be more obsessed
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: with the other thing. We have to be more obsessed
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: with what we're doing. And I always was. I was
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: always more obsessed with it, and it's you know, so
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: it was like the obsession on one hand. Then it
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: was like learning how to be diligent, learning how to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: have a routine, you know. I I developed this routine
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: as a pro player. It was like it was sick
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: because my routines had routines, and it was like to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: the minute on a game day, to the minute starting
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: at eight am whenever I woke up, it was like
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: to the minute. All Right, it's twelve thirteen, I've got
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: seventeen minutes till I need to lunch. It's one fifteen.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: I've got fifteen minutes till I need to take my nap.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: I'm waking up at four pm. I'm calling the room
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: service at four thirt Like it was just everything was
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: to the minute.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: When you do stuff like that, though, does it ever
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: feel like if something messes with that schedule, like your
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: kids are doing something, your wife does something, you can
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: argue with somebody and at fuck super schedual where you're nothing,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: you're now off the minute? Yeah, it does it fuck
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: up your game? Did it fuck up your situation? Because
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: being that obsessive, it would fuck me up in the moment.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: There was one example I can think of where it
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: really fucked me up in the game, but it would
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: fuck me at the moment.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example of that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: My first game with the Pelicans were in toront I know,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: and again they don't know that I'm like this, and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: so Jamel McMillan, Nate McMillan's son, comes in the training
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: room and I started my routine ninety minutes on the clock.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: I'm in the training room, sixty five minutes on the clock.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: I'm in the weight room, fifty two minutes on the clock.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: I'm on the court thirty eight minutes. I'm finishing up
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: my workout. I'm back in the locker room at thirty
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: six minutes, like I'm starting that first game. And he
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: comes to the locker room and he's like, hey, man,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: you're shooting it. He made he said some time that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: was not my shooting time, and I fucking lost it
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: on him, and I really Jammel and I are cool like,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: but it was our first interaction that we had had,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: and I.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Was like, what the fuck?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: What kind of operation is this? That's not my shooting top.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I agree to this shooting time this morning, I told you, motherfuckers.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Like then, I'm like, okay, I gotta go apologize like
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: seven people right now.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But that was the game. That's the gaming, like
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: all that stuff.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: The one time was I was in Indianapolis when I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: was with the Bucks and we were it was a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: different hotel than we normally stayed at, and I ordered
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: my room service and it never came and I went,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm like I'm running out of time.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Now I've got to go down. I canna take my
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: bags under the bus. So I went down.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: I go to the restaurant like, hey, room serves never came,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: like whatever, they go get it. They gave it to
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: me a minute before my bus time. So I'm eating
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: like on the bus as I'm walking in the arena.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: And I was like two for thirteen that night and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: just couldn't I couldn't focus on the game. Was it
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: because of the because of the food, because the food
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: is bad?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Like you're, yeah, what do you think about the routine?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: There?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Me up messed up your day? Here's it?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: So it was all about control for me. You know,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: I get here's what I can control. I'm going to
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: control this and like you're now you're now fucking with
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: my control. The one thing I can control is my
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: routine and now you're fucking with it. And I'm pissed.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it fucked up? Looked yep, two for thirteen. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: See, I've tried to be like that before during game
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: especially in game day. But one thing I've realized for myself,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: when I do best when I had like I don't
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: try to have control over anything as long as like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, oh, I just need to
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: feel before this game starts. I could show up four
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: hours before the game starts. They show up two hours
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: before the game starts, it does not matter to me anymore.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: But at one point I was like that right after like,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: wake up at this specific time, go get in the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: cold tubs, go from there, Go get a coffee at
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: that Starbucks.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Let you know, get the coffee, you go right to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: the stadium. That. I used to be like that, but
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: then one thing would happen.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: It would fuck me up, and then I would tell
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: myself after the game, like, oh, that's it's because you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: messed up your deal.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I got over that at Duke. Like by the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: end of my Duke time, I was like, I'm my
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: performance on the court is not because I made three
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: out of four on the last spot of my routine
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: and didn't make four out of four. Like I just
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: got over that part of it.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: I think it was more about just like it was like,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: here's what I need to do to peak at seven
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: oh seven or seven thirty seven. Yeah, when that all
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: goes up and it's tipped, like here's what I need
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: to do to peak at that time.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: So it was that was was what it was about too.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Besides the control, it was like there was a reason
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: that I did everything.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well I did time, I shoes a
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: certain way and put on my clothes my jersey in
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: a certain order.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't about lit perstitious. It was whatever. But
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: it was like everybody's got a few, everyone's got a feel.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: You have a thing. Do you have a precision?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not that I'm like thinking of, Like you know,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: I love a pregame latte. Yeah, but I wouldn't say
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: it's like a superstition, like if I missed.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: It, I wouldn't like think a certain way.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, what if somebody said that we don't have lattes,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: We're just going to give you an espresso shot.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: That's like, oh, I'm good, you're not gonna take it.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: So it's not about the caffeine. No, no, no, it's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: not about the caffeine. It's just like the vibes going
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: into the stadium. It's like about getting a latte. It's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: putting into the cup holder, it's turning up zz top,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: sharp dressed man, Lagrange, all this easy top, Cinderella Man,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: by eminem A lot of like old school bangers and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: like feeling.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Good walking out the latte. What, no, Cinderella Man. That's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: a banger.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: You said the Eazy Top three times and all of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: a sudden it Cinderella Man.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: Eminem Oh this ez time.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sharp dressed man lagrange yet Yeah, like Cinderella Man.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Another one, like if if I'm feeling like I got
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: to have like a comeback game or a get back
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: on track game in my head, I'm going to Sendereleman
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: when I'm walking inside, because to me, it's like I'm
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: sending Releman.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I'm the fucking underdog.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: All that kind of So you know what, we're all
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: telling ourselves our story. Yeah, you're always telling yourself what
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: do you need to do?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like I guess I think there's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: not is that because you listen to it one time
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: before a game and you played well and then you're like, okay,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: that's my Yeah.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Some of that yeah, yeah, like visualization, like running through
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: the same reel in your head about like old plays
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that you've made, just to like see yourself do it
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and feel this and feel that. Yeah, it's like a
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: kind of like a routine like that, and then if
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: you have a baller game, you're like, yeah, I gotta
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: go back to that kind of routine.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: But if it throws off, I'm not like flow state.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: It's it's like that's the lot the Superman talk about peak,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: getting to the peak, like hitting the peak at seven
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: thirty seven.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the things I need to do to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: get into a flow state?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: Because as an athlete, like, if you're not in the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: flow state, you're okay, maybe you're shitty, but you're not
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: like the best version of yourself your own head a lot.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: It's also one of the most difficult things to achieve
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: is the flow state just be like nothing else matters.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: You're so present right now, you're not thinking about anything else.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: One time in Tampa was like before the fourth preseason games,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: the first time I made the team out right, So
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: I was in my second year, went through preseason my
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: anxieties at a ten because I'm like, this is it, Like.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I gotta make the fucking team. Yeah, And uh I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: had I had I had ice cream before the game.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: The night before the game, I made myself up ice
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: cream M and MS had some caramels and fudge on
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: that thing. Fuck and the boy ball like the boy played, well,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: you gotta let the team and tackles.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: That game the boy the boy had.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so sometimes like that would be my reason
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: for having like I I literally think back to myself,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it puts me in like a puts me
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: in a good mood. Obviously, some ice cream puts anybody
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: in a game. But I'll like, if everybody's like, why
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: you eat that the night before a game, you just
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: worry about yourself.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: You just yourself. There are dudes there everyone.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know every team you've been on, but Tians
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: have a onunday station every night before a game.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: You're like, why the fuck is this out there? Makes
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: sense to me, It's like, what are we doing here
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: with this this thing?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: I feel you guys can agree, but we go back
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: to the flow state thing. When you're in a flow state,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: it's like the game goes by so fast and it's over.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: But there's other games where you're not, like, you're the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: opposite of flow state. Don't know what that is unflow
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: state and you remember everything, Like we played Michigan was
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: playing Notre Dame. It was the night game when we
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: came back. It was like a hundred a minute forty
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: two left in the game. There's like five scores or whatever.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: That's when Denard threw it in the back of the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: end zone.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we won it.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Anti Flow, thank you and uh me and my girlfriend
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: who I was dating at the time, Me and the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: girls the other time, like I choose on her or
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: she cheose on something happened.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: Like two days before it happened. I cheated on her.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: There was there was like a discover there's something was
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: going on. But it was like it was during that game,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: and all I.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Could think about was trying to get her back. And
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I played the entire game, and I played all right
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: but pretty good decent, but like the whole game, I
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: was not ever invested in that game.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking, like, how do I make it
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: up to this girl? Was she at the game? Probably
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: it's one hundred and fifteen thousand? How can I tell? You?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Know, sometimes you know where your girl sits and you
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: feel like, no, I never knew anything like that at
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: where they're sitting.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: No, I never. I never had that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: And I not to think the NFL, where I knew
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: like people whe people were sitting. Yeah, and my dad
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: would always sit and want a certain spot, always kind
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: of look up at him every once in a while.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: But my girl, every every game my dad ever came to,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: even youth basketball, yeah, I'd always like find him, find him.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: You're the flow state part is like when you're not
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: in that state, you're thinking about what just happened. So
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: it's like that you're carrying something to the next play. Yeah,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: And I always always be like, oh, should I have
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: a turnover? Okay, that's like a tally. And then like
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, all right, I made a shot. Okay,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: now we're even Oh I missed.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: A shoot you are teaching right now?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just had a good pass. That's a like
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, like, what are you playing?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: You're not actually in the game. You're like doing this
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: tallies in your head.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: It's it was very detrimental to the the overall product
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: that I was trying to put.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Out on the court.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: There would be times where I'd be like so stressed
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: out about games that I would do that on purpose, Right,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: But okay, all you have to do is just play
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: well in this series and you play this would be okay,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: that was a good play. I could have been on
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that play, but like that won't be like a minus,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: that'll be like I play on that yeah earlier. Well,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: no that you start playing the like a lot of
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: times the way the greatest like minus zero plus zero
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: did your job.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: Minus you didn't do your job.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Plus you did something extra, something extra there, And so
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I like go and I have like a couple of
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: I have like zero across the board, one minus and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: a plus. Bag I'm up and even like a plus
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: to me would be double what a minus was?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: You know in your head.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: But you're like playing this game so you can tell
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: yourself I played good any way to tell yourself I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: did well.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: What about the feeling of.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: Being in the arena, being on the field, on the court, whatever,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: and just knowing that you shit, Like knowing that you
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: are having September?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: What was the work again this year? Game of your life?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we and unfortunately we were all in and you're like, well.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: You can't escape it, and you feel like everybody knows
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: that you're shit. Everybody knows you're terrible.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: What game was that?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Worst fucking feeling as an athlete? Brochember twelve, twenty twenty one.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I So I tore my ACL in October of twenty twenty,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I'll have the four right so, and in my head,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, come back season. I'm with the boys, all
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: these all these guys the whole year, telling like, hey,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: this would be a comeback here. I feel great, to
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: feel amazing, and I wasn't feeling the best. I go
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: into camp and I'm like, no matter, what is this
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: better not be the film I want to see right now?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Roll the tape. I'm like, I'm like, I have to start.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: I have to start a half to start.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: I go out to play. They announced the offense. I'm
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: fucking women, crowds going wild. I gave up two sacks
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: in that game, got dustin, Well, that's challenge Jones getting
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: five sacks. This dude, Chileng Jones fit. He got five
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: sacks in this game. I gave up two to him.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: This is me right here getting beat. But it feels
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: like within the first three series, there's a there's some
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: there's this is the next series. This is the next series.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: No chance.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: So I stop, stop, stop, stop stop it. So at
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: this point I've given up two sacks. It's the first
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: fucking quarter. Still and I'm like, I've never done that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: in my life. That's never happened to me ever in
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: my entire life. We're in the first quarter of four.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I'm having a horrible game, Like there's no way to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: come back from it. It's got and it just the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: rest of the game just got worse and worse and worse.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I'll be seen on the sideline and like, you just
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: feel like everyone's looking at you. I went and got
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: an IV because I was cramping. Thank God, that's what
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: this sack is.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: Go.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: You can go back the second. This is a Kendall
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: getting beat for a sack. I go back into the game.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I played the Tennessee Times my whole entire career. I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: go back into the game, and what do they say, Uh,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: the announcer love, the guy's name is Matt did a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: real fucked up movie.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Go Tail.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Lajuana's back in the game. The whole stadium, not the
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: whole sam, but the stadium starts booing, and I'm just like, Will, Yeah, Will,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I saw Will up there.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Me and his wife are in the suite just fucking booming. Yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: It was tough, dude.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: It was the worst, the worst feeling in the entire
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: world as an offensive lineman, when you get a penalty?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: What's going through your brain? Dot care? Same thing? No, No, No,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Old Man and the three. We're in the Old Man
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: in the three podcast right now, he's potting you up.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, okay, go ahead, you know what. You guys
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: have the four. You guys have the four. I was
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: gonna say, what's the worst moment, what's the worst what's
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: that situation for you?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: Game one, twenty nineteen playoffs against the Nets. I was
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: some shit and they kept targeting me and isoing me,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: and I fouled out with like four minutes ago a blessing?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Did you foul out? You're like, yeah, I'm gonna try
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: and foul out.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: No, I was a foul out of the Cardinals game.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: I would have done it is a little bit of blessing,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the great thing about it with other
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: players that can produce, so like if you're having a
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: ship game, sometimes they'll just be like, all right, we're
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: gonna relieve him of his duties and we're gonna go
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: with the other guy. Yeah getting benched, thank god, but yeah,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: I and then di'angelo Russell waved me off the floor,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: he drew the sixth file.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: He waved me off the floor.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: And as I'm walking off the floor, I was playing
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: in Philly, the whole Philly, you know, crowd is booing me.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which there insane thing. Yeah, and like that was
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: that was a low point for me. That was a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: low point.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: The other part was like playing with Chris, and I
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: love Chris, but like he demands so much of his teammates,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: and there were games where like I would not play
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: well and I would feel like this overwhelming sense that
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: I let him down.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: You know that I didn't.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: I didn't reach his level that night, and that that
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: probably hurts more than like getting booed by a crowd, right,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: because it's to me, it was always about like am
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: I accountable to my teammates? If I'm accountable my teammates,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: like fuck everybody else, you know what I mean. So
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: that probably those those moments probably were worse.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the worst. It's the whole.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Two thousand I'd say, two thousand and sixteen Thanksgiving game
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: versus Dallas Cowboys. Like I've talked about it before on here,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: but when I missed two tackles in a row on
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott. Not only that, but Dak would check at
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and I knew, like what the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: run plays were. He'd be like, he'd like step back
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: and be like whether it be like Pope or Giant,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Like I would know what plays were coming and what
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: they were che copies, Yeah, and I wouldn't know what
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: the play is and tell people. And fucking he broke
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: a tackle from me. I like, leave my feet diving
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: off the diving board. And the second mistackle the first
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: one was in my head and I'm thinking, don't miss
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: his tackle.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: And you know that that usually never works out for you.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Universe doesn't hear negatives? Yeah, And then they come there.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: It is right there, right fucking there, dude, And it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: was a big back, go back. They drive, they drive
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: all the way down again.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: I want him to hurt like I did earlier. They
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: they drive all the.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Way down and score and we get to the sideline
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm sitting on the bench and those are that's
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: a time for me when I yea.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he had a hand on me too.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: And then he does the fat.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, is he Elliott stole that from
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Don Robinson. And then they score and I go to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: the whole Your effort did not look great right there.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: That's a minus. That's a minus right there.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we can go ahead and say that. And
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the sideline and I'm wondering. I'm like, man,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: everybody like it's a Thanksgiving game. Everybody's watching the Cowboys
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: play on Thanksgiving, yep. And I saw an articles like
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: the most televised like football game that year and shit,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: and it's just I'm sitting there thinking like, well, I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: wonder what people are saying about me on Twitter. That's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: to me, that was a moment when I knew social
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: media and other stuff was consuming my mind more than
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: you know, forget the last play, move to the next one.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: It was more like, I can't miss this tackle because
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm on the big stage and everybody's gonna fucking think
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I'm trash or no, that I'm trash. And that game
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: is one of those games You're like, man, just get
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: me fucking home and off the field.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: It's a weird thing. As it's a weird thing as
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: an athlete.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever felt this way of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: feeling like you've made it like you're a starter in
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: the NFL, or you're a start in the NBA, and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: you think to yourself, Man, I hope I don't get exposed.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Everyone knows I don't belong here. There's a feeling. Yes, yeah,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: that's normal. That is Do you felt that? Oh yeah,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: that's normal.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, most I think most well it's years of therapy.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah I love that.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: No, but it's it's I think most high achievers in anything.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: If you asked, I don't know what the percentage is,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: but be a large percentage of actors, actresses, musicians, professors,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: like like, unless you're a narcissist like that has like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: delusions of grander like you, you really do think at
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: times like I'm gonna be exposed.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be exposed as a fraud. That sucks.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: It almost be better to be a narcissist. Honestly, it
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like a nice deal. Like you
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: just don't know. I agree with you that way.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like ignorance, I was, Yeah, I'm that. I'm that dude.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, you're not. You're like you guys are haters,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: But it's just fucking your narcissist. I'm I gotta become
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: a narcissist twenty twenty two, Like shit, narcissist, Taylor.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, I do want to ask about your therapy. Do
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: you feel like the therapy stuff is where that started
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: to help you make your shift mentally in basketball? Like
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: what did you learn from therapy about yourself that was
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: holding you back?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: It's a great question. I think I I I learned,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: I learned who I was. I think I became more
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: comfortable with who I was. And do you guys ever
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: take personality tests?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the enneagram or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: You know I've done. I did a bunch of college
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: I did him in the NBA. I took one recently.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: My wife with me take one, and like fifteen twenty
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: years ago, if I'd taken one, like on the introverted
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: extroverted scale scale, I would be like ninety five percent introverted.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: And if it took one now, like I'd be like
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: fifty five sixty percent introverted. So I'm still introverted, but
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: I like have gotten enough comfortable enough with who I
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: am and myself and enough confidence and like the person,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: not the player, but the person because I was confident
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: as a person. I could navigate NBA locker rooms. I
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: could be a great teammate, I could be liaison between
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: the coach and the player. It helped me on the court,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm just like I think it gave me
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: a sense of perspective about who I was and my
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: value as a human being. Again, it's like I'm nineteen
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: and everybody's like, fuck you. You know, you drink your
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: own pea. The best T shirt I ever saw I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: was at Maryland my sophomore year and these guys had
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: these white T shirts done and my picture was on
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: the front. So I went a little closer to see
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: what it said. And on the front it said when
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: I grew up, I want to name my kid JJ Reddick.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: And so when I got close enough, they turned around
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: so that I could see what was written on the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: back and it said and beat him every.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Day, which is.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: You know, that's savage, savage right, So like here again,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: I'm nineteen, I'm like, fuck dude, you know, so I
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: think you drink your own piss.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: No, I never have. I never have. But it was
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: a very clever, So it was I think it was.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Like becoming like just just confident, like it's not it's
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's egotistical to be like sure of yourself,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You could still be sure
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: of yourself and be self aware enough to know when
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: you're wrong, know when you fucked up, to know that
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: it's not all about you, Like my dad.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: That was the greatest piece of advice I've ever got
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: in my life.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: You tell me that every day as a kid, I'd
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: complain about something like JJ, not always about you, not
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: always about you. That helped me, you know, is a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: as a basketball player in a team sport. It helped
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: me help me navigate everything. But I think I think
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: that's what it came down. That's that's that's the real
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: benefit Later on in life, you know, as I became
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: confident in who I was, I you know, I still
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: see I've seen a therapist that lives on the West
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: Coast and comes into New York like once a month,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: and I talked to him on the phone. But you
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: know that more is like almost performance coaching, you know
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: what I mean by that, Like, and he was the
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: guy along with my wife really you know, but he
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: kind of helped me get that last one percent to retire.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: It was like, but ninety nine percent of the way
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: there for like a year. It was such a hard
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: thing to let go of. And so him and I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: like met a couple of times. We did a bunch
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: of these like time value proposition exercises, and we worked
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: through some things why I want to play, why I
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: don't want to play, And by the end of the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: second meeting, it was like, oh dude, it's crystal clear,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: like it's not even as not even a question about
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: whether or not I should retire. I should retire, Like
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: it's it's time, and I was very comfortable with doing it.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: So damn.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you guys, you guys, don't you guys aren't
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: in therapy see therapists.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, therapist every week? Yeah, absolutely well.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: I first started doing couples therapy before we got married,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: and then we like fell in love with the whole
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: therapy aspect, like emotional intelligence all that stuff, Like I'm
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I like love like looking into that stuff because I
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: feel like you're psyche.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: It's like everything right, like losing control.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Of yourself in a moment, like figuring out like why
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: am I reacting to this? Or why am I getting upset?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Or losing control or what am I scared of? Like
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: being in therapy and actually talking about like it's like
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: it's like you get the dead ends, like when you're
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: in conversations with friends or buddies or something else and
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: you don't nearly you'll nearly go as far as what
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: you would in therapy, like there's nowhere to go and
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: you're in a safe place, and then they ask those
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: extra questions that actually get you talking about.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Like the underlying thing that like breaks you, and then
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: you're in tears for.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Whatever reason, and then you come out of it and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: you're like, you know, you start learning about your stuff
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: a lot more.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: So I'm glad that I'm glad that this is a
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: safe space for us. Yeah, this is this is definitely
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: a safe space. You work with what's the dow's name.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: You work with Armando.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Armando he's part of cheat Code and it's like supposed
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: to do a bunch of things he does like sound
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: waves and different songs and stuff like that, and you
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: put those on. He talks you through stuff and it's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: pretty cool because you talk about what's what's bothering you
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: in this moment. It's like a present feeling like what's
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: what's the thing that's bothering me the most? And they'll
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: be like, all right, look forward, like how do you
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: feel when you look forward and think about it? You're like, well,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: I feel this way. And then you look right and
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: look left, and if you're really present, you can notice
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: like when you look whether it's right or left or middle,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: like some areas feel worse or better than others, so
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: whatever is worse. He'll be like, all right, let's start there,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: or sometimes we'll start what's better, and then you just
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: work through He's all right, now fixate on a spot.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: And then every sixty seconds, but what are you thinking
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: about right now? And then he you start talking to him,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: and then at one point while you're talking, it'll be
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: rambling him like stop stop right there and go with that,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: and then you just kind I keep working through it,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: and I'd say majority of the times ends in tears
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: because you're just trying. Yeah, you're just trying to figure out.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out, you know, why do I
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: you do certain things so that other people approve of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: you when you can't just approve yourself, Like what is
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that from from being a child or whatever?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: And like how do you get to a.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Point where you're the only ones trying to prove some
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: too yourself. And it's just it's like you said, like
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: the whole growth thing is it's super it's the most
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: important thing. It's probably it's the most important thing as
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: a human to do. And we talk about reading like
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: we're both like trying to read more.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: And when I go to read, I'm.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Like to look at a fiction book, like a book
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: that's not real. It's not a self help with like
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to go and read that
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: because I could go find something that's going to help
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: me like be a better person, you know. And so
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: that's that's something definitely, And it's like you say it
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: all the time, it's the most important thing, like with
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: whether it's sports, being a father, being a husband, all
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: On the emotional intelligence, he's doing it again. No, I
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: was not a question. And there's a comment to Will's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: comment is that Okay, that's right, okay, Kerry. Immediately we
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: start talking it, No, I would say this is a.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: Little bit of a call back to what we were
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: talking about earlier about what will I ever be good
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: at anything else? And I think what I realized at
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: the end of my career, and what I've realized over
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: the last nine months is like when you develop that
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: side of your personality and developed that side of your brain,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: you can fit anywhere. Being able to like what we do,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: what you guys have done for a long time, what
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: I did for fifteen years and prior to that at
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: Duke in high school, AAU, all that stuff, like what
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: you do in a locker room and being able to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: navigate that year in year out, like that is building
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: a skill set, and by building your emotional intelligence, like
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: you can fit anywhere, you could do anything. I really
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: believe that I'm not going to develop a rocket. It's
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: going to take us to Mars. I'm not saying.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: But there's other like that that's like almost like a
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: like a skill set that is overlooked.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, i'd agree with you. Have you read
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: emotional intelligence two point zero?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: No? I haven't. Where do you get the emotional intelligence thing?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: From the first time I heard it was actually uh
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: is now become a good friend of mine. David Solomon
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: who now runs Golden Sacks. I met him he was
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: not running Golden Sacks. It was not the CEO him. Yeah,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: it's a little flex but no.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: But it was like the first time. It was the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: first time I'd ever heard the phrase. I spoke at this.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: This was like in twenty sixteen, I spoke on this
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: panel at this retreat that Golden Sacks was having for
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: like tech and media CEOs.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: I have no idea why I was invited. I really
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: truly don't know.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: But I spoke on this panel with Maverick Carter and
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Casey Wasserman and David and I spent some time together
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: at the dinner that night, and it was the first
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: time that he brought it up. Was like, you have
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: good emotional intelligence, you could you know, you can work
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: on Wall Street if you want it. Like, oh, so
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: then I started reading about it. Then I started thinking
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: about like how it relates to my own life, Like
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: it's it goes back to like anything we do as
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: an athlete, like our routine, visualization, all that stuff. It's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: like it's like that constant flow state, and so like
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: being able to check in with yourself, what am I
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: projecting on other people? What is that person projecting onto
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: someone else? Like I'm constantly thinking about that, you know
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: what I mean. That's why it's been so enjoyable for
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: me to have you guys in my chair and ask
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: you these questions.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: Be very special. It's been a very special time. Are
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: we doing tier talk? Oh, we get some tear talk.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: You have some tear talk. We can have some tier talk.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Let's do some tear talk.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Now my question, so tier talk, you guys are getting
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: familiar with tiar talk. Everybody out there in the audience
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: is something newer that we've done, but it's we have
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: a tear system. We have our audience. There's tier ones
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: out there, Tier twos and tier threes. Now we bring
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: it into a segment where we rate things. Most notably
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: recently has been the burger thing. That's one out there
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of times where we rate.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: It in and out, which, by the way, what's your
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: favorite fast food burger? I saw all that my favorite
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: fast food burger Man. It's definitely not in and out.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool. All we need is the questions over. When
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: the question is now over, like it's fine, it's not like,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: but you watch my thing and you're like, yeah, like
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: I totally co signed with you. I'm like, it's like fine, dude,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: this is great. I'm having a blast. Okay, God, we'll
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: talk about you know, let's see what his favorite fast
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: food burger is. Uh, I'm actually a guy.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: I would probably say what a burger because I lived
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: in Austin and that's probably like I think it's I
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: think it's good. I don't what about we are like
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: solid burger, Like are we doing like it's five guys
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: fast food? Is that not fast food? That's that's a
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: that's a big question people are saying right now. Yeah,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: because there's no drive through.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Drive through, which I do like, I understand it's five guys.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Is more on the fast casual side like Chipotle? Basically, Oh,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: I don't even think him a fast casual. It's the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: second time I've heard that. Charles said it about Shakeshack.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: She's like, Shakeshack, like Shakeshack, I think is awesome.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: She's like, but it's a little more fast casual because yeah,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: it's not fair there's no drive through.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, you fancy, yeah, yeah, you fancy you.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: Think the number one burger is because I'm sure you've
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: talked about you guys, but it's not.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: That's not fast food. Yeah, take okay, so just drive throughs.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: I bet you I bet you. Ben and Out Burger
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: makes it up. There doesn't. I was gonna say shake Shack,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: but shakes I mean Hartys. Wow. Okay, Yeah, Carls Parties
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: is fire. What a burger is good? In and out
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: is good? And I said any but you're thinking in
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: and out burger is better than what a Burger? No,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: you know you're just saying. I'm lying in and out
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Burger is better than you. In and out would be
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: your number two best fast burger. Carls Jr. One in
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: and out too. I don't know, man, Once five guys
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: has taken out for you kind of falla because I
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: think shakeshack is good. Yeah, you kind of fall apart.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: This is a classy bitch, dude. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: That's funny as fu Alright, So basically so tears off.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Go ahead. You rattled me. You rattled me.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking about anymore. I'm trying to think
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: of other fast foods.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: We just found out that everything really stiled themselves on
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: the last two weeks.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: It's not really anymore.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: I think the spicy ketchup is overrated at what a Burger?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: M Okay because because Texas are big on that perfect
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: the whole. The whole thing for me was coming from Missouri,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: like you'd be in the locker rooms and when you
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: travel like a Texas game, or will you we go
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: on the West Coast to play Arizona and the guys
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: who are on your team or West Coast like, oh
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: we got to go to in and Out and dudes
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: from Texas immediate argument in the locker about what a
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: burger in in and out? So I always look forward
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: to going to these spots to try these both, all
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: these different burgers, and now that I've had them a
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: few different times each, I do think I wanted to
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: like what a burger more because again I I'm more
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: so like love to just argue against the West Coast
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: people because they're so prideful about in and out burger.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: But I would say in and out burger is probably
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: better burger.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Than what a burger. Try fat burger too, Well, that's
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: not all we drive through either, that's casual. Man, we
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: learned something. Yeah, but on this tier talk we're gonna
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: be doing should we do pizza toppings or pizzas.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: To where you can combine certain toppings and well, but
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: some people like just a pepperoni pizza Orch's pizza or
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: like whatever, we're not.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: We're not toppings themselves. Yeah, yeah, that'd be difficult to do.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know where i'd stand on that, But I
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: don't know where you stand if I had to rank
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: the number one topping.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, are we gonna say if
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: if Taylor says show, I don't know how the tear
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: talk were. I think it's best pizza. I think best pizza.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever is your best your number one favorite pizza tears?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: You know what, We'll do our three favorite pizzas and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: then you guys will tear it for us.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: No, what do you mean here for us? Because if
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: we're doing tier talk, there's tier one, two, and three. Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: So JJ says my favorite pizza is X, and you
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: say my favorite pizza is why? And I say my
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: favorite peacha is Z. How are we gonna tear that?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: We can't because we'd al would say that our pizza
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: is number one?
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Right, But that's what we did with Bert with the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: fast food Burger. We go one, two, three, like we
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: quietly let JJ have the floor and he does this
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: tier one through three.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: But if you're just making a pizza. There's no He's
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: gonna make three pizzas for us right now.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: Off the top of my head. I can go. Let's go.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like everyone. Yeah, I can say three pizzas. Okay,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: I'll figure out way to say three pizzas. You can go, last, Taylor,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: you can go.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: I'm always going last. F Now on JJ, you have
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: the floor, all right, Actually gonna go. I'm gonna go
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: in an order of how I want to eat these pizzas.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: That makes sense, Well, I don't know a little bit.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: More so, I like, if you go to a great
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: pizza place like lu Colli in Brooklyn, I would I
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: would want to eat them in this order.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: Not the entire pizza. I'm not that gluttonous, but maybe
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: a slice or two of each.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying gluttness is one of those seven deadly
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: since I've been glats.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: So I would start with two toppings that you guys
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: don't actually have on this graphic here, which.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: Your number one? This is your number one?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: This is I would say, this is my number one pizza, okay,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: number one? Like I just want like shallotts and hot peppers.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: Shalattes and hot peppers. Let's just let them have the floor,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Second pizza would be what I call a twin special,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: my wife's favored pizza. Along with her twin, I'll go pepperoni,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: white onion, green pepper. And then for kind of like
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: a dessert, I would go with ricotta, sausage and maybe
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: some some stage.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I fucked you guys up tonight. Yeah, I'll
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: tell you what you did. Go chef special on us
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: just now so my man knows it's pizzas well. You
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: have the floor my Tier one.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: You already laugh because I just feel like you just
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: had some artistic ship and you're gonna go on sausage.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: This is hard.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: My Tier one is very hard because there's a couple
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: of pieces I'm thinking about. Well, either way, I got
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: to decide how this Tier one. That's what the hard
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: part is. But I think if I had to order pizza,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: Wait, he texted me this last night, so he's he's
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: had twenty four hours.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: I thought about the entire I thought about my one.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: I know exactly what I have it.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go like a Sweet heat where
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: you got pepperoni Halapao's I love onions, so you can
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: just throw onions on them. That's not really part of it.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: But I do love onions. But you throw like a
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: uh you get the red pepper flex. But you also
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: drizzled honey over top. You drizzle honey.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: O hot honey. Yeah, MIC's hot honey. Yeah. I like that.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: My number two is Hawaiian. That's what battle for my
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: number one. I'm a big Hawaiian pizza guy. I believe
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: in pineapples on pizza. I am pro pineapple on pizza.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: And my number three.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: Big CPK guy.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: I love supremes, I love meat lovers, but I think
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: if I had to order, I would go pepperonium bacon.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: My tier three, Taylor take it from here, brother, Okay.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: My Tier three is gonna be very basic, extremely basic.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be your Neapolitan cheese pizza. I think you
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: can't beat it. You got a little bit of garnish
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: on there, you got your cheese, your sauce, and I
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: think it's fantastic with the fluffy crust, it's it's outstanding.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: That's my tier three. My Tier two is also the
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Hawaiian pizza, but with a spice. You gotta throw banana
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: peppers on there or jalapinos. I like a little spice.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: I with you. I have the four.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: And number one is going to be. I almost said
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: yes when you said sopk because I'm a barbecue chicken
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: pizza guy. That's my number one barbecue sauce. Really yeah,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: a little onion on there.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's out.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite possible pizza I can make for myself.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Barb cute chickens, roburcoe chicken. Now that we're done, what
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the fuck was that?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: Dude? Yeah? What did you say? What was your number one?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: Shallots and what shallots and Pepperoni's shallots? Shalots on pizza.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: It's a cheek coat. What's a shalat?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: A shallot is like like a little onion right between,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: like a red onion garlic. I like garlic, Yeah, I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: like onions. I mean I like both those cook a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: little bit shallat and sheldon what uh? Hot peppers? Hot peppers?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: How some of those are like terrible and grease. I'm
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: just thinking you're Tier one. You're like, hey, JJ, what
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: do you want to eat? They got some with the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: shallots and not peppers on it.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: Here's the fuck, man, I am not not a CPK hater.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: I think I think restaurants like CPK Chili's TJ Fridays
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: like they have their place in America, and I respect
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: them and I've ate a lot of meals at places.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: Like that, But you're better than them.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: That question where you guys are eating pizza based on
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: you you guys saying Hawaiian pizza for both of you
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: was number two, and a barbecue chicken, I said number one.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: I think question that.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: I think you can't touch barbecue chicken pizza if you
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: have the right barbecue sauce on it.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Brother, that's the one thing. Like I mean cheese to me.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, but everybody some people like like their
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: cheese pizza.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a coastal elite here. Yeah,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to sound like a coastal elite.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: You like I live in New York. I live in Brooklyn.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: Brooklyn is the best pizza in the world. Like the
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: sh is discussed, what do you mean the ship that
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: we're talking about, so you would need a sweet heat.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: I think you ragged it, like, oh that sounds pretty good. Yeah,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: you said that, you actually did. I think you said
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: that sweet heat sounded nice Hawaiian.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Pizzazza fire bro Yeah, a coastal elite, you guys should
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: just sit on the traditional ingredients and you guys just
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: make the best pizza and that's it.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: That's how I think a coastal elite works.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: So I think by you doing, by you doing some
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: special like challattes and hot peppers, does that make you
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: a coastal leaders? Make you use your You're just a
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: little fluffy. You're a Tji Frieders with some Fluff's what
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: it sounds like to me.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: It's just what it sounds like. But I will agree
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: on the barbecue chicken part. The barbecue chicken throws me off.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Brokay, I'm not here to argue that part. I've gone
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: downhill within an out burger. I've seen what the people
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: have done. If feal will strw to do to me,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. Chicken pizza is honestly shameful
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: of you guys to handle you yourself the way you have.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. I think barbecue chicken pizza
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: is the best pizza. Baby cue chicken pizza. No, they
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: wouldn't eat Barbie chicken pizza. We wouldn't feed that to.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Y'all fucking up. We wouldn't feed that y're fucking up.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: You like a Barbie? My daughter?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: What's my daughter to mellow mushroom last Sunday? She wants
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: to go back this, she wants to go back tonight.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Why I probably go get one tonight.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm in order the barbecue chicken pizza. Nope,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: hang on, no, I'm like go half and half now.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Look here, wine is fucking give a little little heat
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: on it? Right, Yeah, I'll put a little sweet heat
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: on it. Absolutely.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: I did like the sweet heat vibe.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: You want to know where you get that pizza at
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Ahead Midnight Oil. It's off of fifty first no free
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: shouts to Midnight Oil. When you go to Midnight Oil
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: and you order a sweet Heeatza pizza from min iaware
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: with that, let him know the boy sent you.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, little something in there once, you know I sent
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: me and uh, I wanted to just sweeteaed pizza. Please,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: It's it's phenomenal. Really, are you here until tomorrow?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: I leave tonight? Time? Uh ship a little bit? Yeah
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: something like that? Yeah?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, is this one of those show up at seven
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: thirty things? Are we getting there a couple hours early.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: To my flight? Yeah? No, I don't get I don't
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: go to the airport early. Who does that? I'm not
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: a But here's what.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: We're trying to ask. Driving there to fly out at
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: seven thirty? Are you getting there at an hour hour
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: Before we're going through TSA? Are we not going through Tessay?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: Oh? I see what you're asking. I see what you're asking.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: You guys flew me down like I'm like this this
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: trip was not on me.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: We didn't. Oh, he's right now, you know what he is, right,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: bar barstol Fleet.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: You're our first guest that we've flown down to be
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: on us. Yeah, we've just started kind of doing that.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: You should ask for some money, probably would have.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: Gave it to you. Yeah, it's just my pleasure to
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: be on the show man. I love that your show. No,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think I'm not a I'm not.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not that level. You guys really don't like barbecue
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: chicken pizza. I don't like what we're talking about. Are
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: we not talking about We're not talking about people about
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: private jets? Yes, are too extreme right now to be
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: doing that. I don't think barbecue pizza is trash. I
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: just don't order it or I don't like it. To me,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: it's like, what are we doing?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: I felt that way about Supreme. It's really just staple.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, all the extra shit on it.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Yours and I said it was solid.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: You have Barbie Chicken any Barbie CHICKI Chickens in the
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: back there, Chicken Baking ranch. It's number one by far,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Like it's not even fucking close that Hobbinaro cream pie.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Holy fuck dude. Yes see, that's where it kind of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: throws me off when you start talking about pizzas, because
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: there's like that's like a gourmet pizza, Like five Points
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: is like Jack Brown's in a lot of ways.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: The burgers like you can't like just go like if I.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Were to say to you, guys are like jalapenos, but
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: the seeds carved out with cream, cheese on on it. Also,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense to be able to
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: explain that pizza, you know, saying.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: I thought JJ's gonna explain something like that. Though he did,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: I think he did.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: I still we need an interpret to figure out what
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: he said, Yeah, what was the Yeah, you said a
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: little bit of stage.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: And that's where I was like, you guys have had
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: like a fried sage leaf before, like a little bit
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: little fried sage leaf on the sausage in ricotta pizza.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: That does sound like white sauce. Like I looked like
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: a guy that had fried stage on my pizza in
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: your life? You've never had fried sage? Did you have
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: when you grew up? Fried stage? It's seven bucks?
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Is chicken count expensive? It sounds expensive? It just sounds
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: expensive to me, York Like he's a very expensive place,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: is it is?
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: It must be nice? But what was that? Why don't
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: you move on in Nashville? What's up? Sorry? I got
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: to do what's question first? Well again, what was the dry?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: I can get you explained? What what about it? What
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: was what were the toppings? What else? Rikatta, cheese, sausage
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: and fried sage? See, I think capable combo.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: It sounds like it's like a tasty pizza for sure.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: But if we're just like inking our pizzas, dude, and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: you're saying sage and Racanton sausage.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: I actually the best thing I heard from both of
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: you was just a classic Neapolitan cheese pizza.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that's well, that's because I said garnish
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: to you. Hear, I started sound fancy like you, I
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: said garnish. So basically, what you just fucking said with
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: all those fancy words is a sausage pizza with a
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: little bit of age keys, a sausage.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Pizza toast some that green ship on there. As what
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: you said to the person on the counter. You like
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: melow mushroom though I do melo pizza, I mean underrated pizza.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: I went with my daughter to a birthday party last week.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: Chuck E Cheese.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: Don't fucking at me, dude, That Chuck E Cheese is
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: low key fire Peter Piper Pizza for those of you
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: in the West, fired.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: Chuck E Cheese in a long time. So I'll when
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: and I went that, When and I went there, it
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: was the pretty money grown up so we couldn't go
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: to Chuck E Cheese. That's crazy, that's crazy.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: We got the fried stage though, Huh, that's a lot
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: of sausage and fried sage. He just said sausage and
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: cheese pizza.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: I know he did. But he's also he's also like
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: the only thing you guys said good was the cheese pizza.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, like, bro stop anything like you didn't
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: react and I said sweet heat.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah you did say I want that because I almost
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: because when you said that's a well, I almost said, hey,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: we don't react here.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: We don't react on the t your talk, do.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: You know, I know, trying to keep it. That's why
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: I was holding it in while he was going picture
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: when he said the sweet heat. I'm pictured.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: There's a there's a place called Emily in Brooklyn. It
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: makes a great burger as well as this guy. No,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: it's kidding. Good.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: Water's better up there, man, Like, what do you want
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: me to say? The water's better for pzza? Why the
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: bagels are so good?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: And bagels?
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: No, Emily has like a like a sweet heat pizza
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: that basically is the description of what you described, and
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: they do a little MIC's hot honey on.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: The top and you've had it and I've had it. Fire,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: it's fire. It's a good pizza. You just don't I
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: think you don't agree with pineapple and pizza. No it suns.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: I don't wake up you know, well, who's the morning
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: and be like I'm going to think that I can't
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: wait people tonight and I want to put pineapple on it.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Like that's just a weird thing to me. It's that
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: mush mushrooms. I eat everything, but mushrooms.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't touch. I can't touch mushrooms. Not
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: for me. Now, Italian truffles, I could.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Whiplash. I'm turning looking at you so fast, dude. What
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: was the second pizza you said, because you were kind
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: of did a run like a run on sentence.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: The last special?
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: Huh, twins specials just simple pepperoni, white onion, green pepper.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: We just got to start naming our shit cool so
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: it sounds better.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said white onion, like he said when he
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: said the way when you I'm saying even out there,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: when he was talking like that, I legit talk to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: myself like we picked the wrong category that we're about
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: to say sausage and ship.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: You know we're about to say basic ship. I believed
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: in what I was about to say. I stay, I
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: stay in tintoed down.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said twins pizza. He said ricotta. He
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: used the word ricotta. It stayed cheese. And what's crazy
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: is he been thinking about that since last night. Yeah,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: he's a homework guy. He's got fifteen pages on both
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: of us.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: She forgot where I was from the only reason I
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: thought of all those pizzas because when I saw the toppings,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: I was like, shot, it's not there. Can I ask
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: you a heart went back to the the catalog in
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: my brain. Can I ask you a hard hitting basketball question?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: Who's the greatest of all time?
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: Man? Who's the go? I like that?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Next second part question was Michael Jordan narcissist. I think
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: it's like it's one A one B to me, I don't,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that answer. I want you
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: to take a strong, sting one A.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: Who's a.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: It's weird because Jordan is who I like, grew up watching,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: but then Lebron is who I played against, and it's
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: hard for me to like pick either one. Kyle Korver
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: once said to me, He's like, you know, like MJ.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: I know, the accompliment accomplishments are great, but like MJ
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: had to take two years off. So like the discredit
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: Lebron gets for making eight straight finals, I think is
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: kind of insane. So I'm I had to say it.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say Jordan.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: One.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Ah, that was your safe answer, because if you would
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: have said Lebron, you'd got torched.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: Jordan is Jordan? Okay? Lebron's your two? Oh yeah yeah?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: What about Kobe? Great player? Great player? Oh you know what?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: Here's Here's the other thing I've learned, especially in the
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: last year, is the you guys know what a stand is, right?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, eminem callback This song is incredible, too, incredible song.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: What I've realized is that certain players stands are fucking
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: insane on social media. And I said a bunch of
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: nice things about Steph Curry the other day, and but
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: the question was who do you want in the clutch?
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: More Luca or Staph? I saw that video and I said,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, I said Luca. And the amount
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: of hate that I got from the Steph stands, do you.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: Think he deserved it? A little bit?
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: Greatest shooter of all time? Again, that wasn't the question,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: no game in the line, who do you want the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: ball in their hands?
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: The question, yeah exactly, And I said, look, who do
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: you want with the ball?
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: Why? Dies?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: But if he if my man can just pull up
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: at the logo and splash that thing into problem. Then
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: we don't need size. Oh I sound like a basketball
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: right now. Luca is big, he's a dominant player. He
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: can't shoot like Steph. Everyone knows that no one can
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: shoot like stuff. Okay, so why wouldn't you put Do
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: you need a basket?
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: Right? The whole concept of basketball is to put the
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: ball in the hoop. The issue more is like how
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: you go get the basket? You know what I mean?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: Like, so when I think about like watch, I think
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: I look at statistics because they track those about your
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: honest the best player in the world right now, you'd
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: rather have Luca over him too?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: No, the question was the question that I got asked,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: was Luca or Steph? Well, and bus one of the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: boys WED like to throw in wrenches.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: There's like ten guys I'd like to have in the
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: clutch with the ball in their hands. All right, but
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: go on talk to me about Luca. Sorry, I did
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: mean to throw you all this there.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: What I was when I think about, like, who do
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: I want to have the ball in their hands in
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: the clutch, It's guys like Luca. It's guys like Lebron
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: who have size. Because they're going to create a shot.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: Whether that's against the double team, whether that's one on one,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: they're going to create a shot. There's nothing wrong with
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: saying Steph in that answer, by the way, and he's
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: made a ton of clutch shots. I was basing some
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: of it on just this past season. Steph was ten
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: for fifty one from three in the clutch this season.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: So like, some of that is recency bias, which is
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: another thing I've learned in the media. We all have
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: versus of the moment. I like to describe stephen A
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: as that. It's another phrase that I see that way
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: I use. Yeah, yeah, it sucks. It sucks.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine getting the point where like you have
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: a show every day and you're like, man, I got
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: to fill two fucking hours with the same take, but
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: in a different way.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: That's tough. I like to pop in and pop out,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I loved what you love the clapping
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: back you were doing on a mad Dog.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: I think every young generation athlete, young generation person was
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: fairly hype about that.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say, and this is not in
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: sort of any direction towards Matt Dog. The one thing
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: I say is like I and I'm sure you guys
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: have seen this too. I have witnessed and lived both
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: in my own personal experience and my peers experience a
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: lot of tired narratives around athletes. And you know, I
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: remember going through the lockout and seeing articles written about athletes,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, why is everybody siding with the billionaire
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: owners and not the athletes. It's there's something about athletes
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: that people think we're entitled, that people think we're our
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: only value is to entertain you on a basketball court
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: or a football field, that we're not allowed to be
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: intelligent and speak our mind or speak an opinion, or
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: to protest or whatever it is.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: And it's so dehumanizing and so demeaning, and a lot of.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff that has gone viral on
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: first Take has been in a direct response to some
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: of those narratives. And that's one example of it. But
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: you know, the other part of it I don't really
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: want to talk about. Sure, the undertone I don't want
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: to talk about, but you know, so much of that
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: is like, hold on a second, Like the narrative is wrong,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: the narrative is tired. Let's let's start a new narrative
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: that makes sense.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I do want to ask before I know.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: We've been We've had a long pot. We gotta play
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: another game of pig. Is coach is Coach K a psycho?
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: From the outside, When you watch a lot of situations unfold,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: it seems like a lot of things that he does
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: seems very calculated.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: Huh and uh and yeh. So I'm wondering it's like,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: is coach K? I guess?
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: I guess when? Because my version of a psycho, my
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: definition of a psycho. I I also use the word
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: sicko interchangeably about when I talk about people. Gotcha, And
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 4: what's your sort of definition?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Psycho is pretty hardcore, over the top, very much, really
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: demonstrative on players. Hardcore makes you feel less than a
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: lot of the time, arcissistic, narcissistic.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: Understand anipulative game that he can do with players. I mean,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: you played for him, There's been a lot I wouldn't.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: I don't. I think I think manipulative is the wrong word.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: The word you use about calculative, I think that's probably
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: more appropriate.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: He's definitely not, definitely not a narcissist. He's definitely not
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: a psycho in sort of the traditional sense. He is
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: very intense and he's very demanding, but he's a truth teller.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: He is always a truth teller. And you know, my
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: four years with him, I say this sincerely, my four
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: years with him, I never saw him have a bad day.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: Like not what he's on. He's on every day. We
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: get back from Virginia Tech. On the bus at three am.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: He you know, we lose meeting. You know, we're in
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: there for an hour. We got practice. The next day,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: he's on the bike at six am. He comes to practice, energize,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: ready to go, ready to coach. He's like that with
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: every team he's ever been on. He's so invested in
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 4: and takes such ownership you know, or did take such
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: ownership of being a coach, being a duke basketball coach,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 4: like that program. He's phenomenal. And I get to a
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: degree when someone sees him motherfucking a raft or motherfucking
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: a nineteen year.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: Old, Like I get why people are like, oh, he's
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: he's a psycho. He's a psycho.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: But like I actually would say, all the good shit
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: that said about him is true. And then some like
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: he's my dad is the greatest man that I've ever known.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: I didn't have to look far for a role model.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: Coach is the second. Like Coach is phenomenal.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: Became friends with him my junior year and we've been
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: friends now for whatever that is, seventeen years.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: He's like such.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: An important part of my life and it has been
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: for you know, since two thousand when I committed, like,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: he's just he's the man.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: I love that dude.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: After your little stint your sophomore year when you were
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: brought back and put on a big schedule, did you
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: and him ever talk about it, like reminisced maybe a
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago about it, like, hey, you were
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: was worried about you there for a second.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: Do you ever give you that he didn't know if
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: you're going to make it.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about it when he came
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: on the podcast in the fall of twenty twenty. But
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: actually the moment we became friends and the moment that
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: I felt like he wasn't just my coach was that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: following spring we lost in the sweet sixteen to Michigan
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 4: State in Austin War School.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, terrible, And you know, I had I had gone.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 4: Through all that my sophomore year, and then I, you know,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 4: got a CC Player of the Year, ACC Tournament, Tournament,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: m v P First Team All American, I got one
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: of the national Player of the Year awards.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: I got the Rough Award, and we yeah, let's give
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: it context. Context matters. Yeah, no doubt high point, no
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: doubt point. Uh.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: So he called he called me into where we lose
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: at the arena. We're all emotional, I'm crying, and we're
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: get on the bus. He's like, hey, come to my
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: hotel room. We'll get back to the hotel and we
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 4: went in there and we basically talked about that. We
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: talked about that day in May of two thousand and
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: four when he dragged me, when they dragged me to
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: the office. Talked about that summer, everything I'd done. We
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: talked about the season. He talked about how proud he
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: was of me, like I was a lifer at that point,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 4: like I was a coach klifer.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: He was, he was a friend from that point on. Yeah,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: that is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And then one last thing, another one last thing, the
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: gambling story of you almost coming to blows with one
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: of your teammates. Yeah, I heard you said it was
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: one of the closest times. Uh yeah, I mean I
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: ever came up fighting a teammate. Yeah, I mean I've
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: got I've gotten hit by teammates before, Like you've gotten
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: punched by teammate, Yeah, he did.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: Turculu used to hit me.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: He hit me a couple of times, a couple of
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: times when I was like a rookie, and then once
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: again my like my third year, he just like to
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: fuck with me.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: But I like.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: He got into a little scrap with Carlos Arroyo, Me
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: and Brian Cook got into it one time. Like I
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: never like came to blows with a guy in practice,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: but like I was trying to fight find a place
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 4: in the lead like in the league.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: So I was just scrappy in practice.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: And if you're a vet, like in his shoot around,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 4: I guess one of the times Turkuleu elbowed me in
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 4: the in the eye and gave me a black eye.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: He's just like I was playing too hard to post
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: defense when we were we weren't walking through players, we
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: were running through plays and he just turns and he
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: like noticed it was me and he caught me.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: In the elbow, got it with an elbow. The Justin
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: Anderson story, basically, everybody in the NBA plays Boe Ray.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: Do you guys play bou Ray? In the Okay, everybody
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: plays blue Ray.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: So there's a there's a player's cabin on we used
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: Delta charter flight, so on the player's cabin there's always
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 4: a table, and then there's a bunch of other seats.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: So the table is four card games and so playing
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: bou Ray. And there had been some tension building between
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: Justin Anderson and another teammate of mine. They were going
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: back and forth. They sat next to each other, so
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: their actions directly affected the other player's actions, right, whether
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: or not the guy stayed in the game, whether or
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: not a guy went for a boo or didn't go
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: for boot like, it all affected each other. So they
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: were kind of mouthing off, and Justin wanted a pretty
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: big hand to not count because he felt like there
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: was a discrepancy in how that particular hand had been played.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: And we had been drinking as well.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: There had been some wine on the flight, and so
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: there was Amir Johnson, me, Jared Bayliss, Justin Anderson diagonal
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: to me, and then there wasn't a fifth seat, so
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Joel would sit on the arm rest in the aisle.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: Joel and Vie would sit on the arm rest in
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: the aisle, and UH.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 4: Basically got to the point where their bullshit was sabotaging
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: the general flow and enjoyment of the cart.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: It was ruining the night. It was ruining the night. Yes,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: thank you. Yeah.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: So I got a little vocal and then he got
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: vocal back with me, and then I said, you're a
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: little bitch. And he said, what did you say? And
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: I said you're a little bit. I doubled down, and ma'am,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not proud of this, Like I just said, I
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: said you're a bitch. And he said, what did you say?
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: I said, I said, you heard me. I said you're
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: a bitch. And then he like stood up on the
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: table and like you know, almost swung on me. Joel
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: luckily like grabbed him, and then all these flight attendants
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: that were on the plane like came, I don't know
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: why they broke up this stuffle, but they broke it up.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: Had he swung on me like I'm sitting down, he's
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: standing up on a table.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: He would have won that fight. But I want to
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: know I will gone by the ankles, dude, give him
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: a toss. I would have lost. Dude, those the tables
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: are like here, like there's no leverage.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: I was stuck. I was stuck. I would have lost.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: You're a little bitch, dude.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: You gotta think if you're really going to fight somebody,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: well he's taking the time to get up on that table.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 4: You gotta make a move. Yeah, you know if you're
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: gonna win. That fight was the flight attendants. They obviously
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: fly with all the other teams. The word got around
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: that that had happened, So I had a bunch of
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 4: texts from buddies around the league that, like, I heard
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 4: you guys got into a fight, you know whatever.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, No, there's nothing, It was nothing like
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: what happened after you guys? Cool? Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: I'd have to ask him. Jay's my guy.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you going on, man, Thanks been unreal to
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: your flight. Hey Jack, is he doing the green screen?
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: All right? Cool? Did I appreciate it? Man? Anything else?
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: Anybody got anything? You trying to? Had the pig one
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: on one? What pig? Uh No, I don't think so.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. He's scared.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Is anybody better than you at the collegiate level of
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: all time shooter Steph.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: Really yeah, it's Seph would have.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's other guys that have surpassed like the
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: three point thing, but Steph would have shattered it.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: Had he played one more year, he would have shattered it.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: I think I was I don't know who I was
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: having this conversation with. It was somebody the other day,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: like I think why. I think why.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, oh it is omar omar from my
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: house highlights Omar Omaraja now is sports Center. We were
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: talking about this two days ago and I was telling
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: him it's like part of the reason, like the Duke
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: version of me is, you know, there's.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: A legacy to that.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: I think a little bit even though I didn't win
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: a championship, and oh, there definitely is. Yeah, there's a
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: there's a little bit of like if you were growing
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: up in that area you watch college basketball. But I
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: think the reason is number one because I played for
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: Duke and like people hated Duke and there was divisiveness there.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: The second reason, though, is like my draft class was
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: the last draft class before the one and done era,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: So I feel like my time in college basketball was
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: like the time in college basketball that we all knew
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: and we all grew up knowing. Now with the one
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: and done, it's just different, Like you don't have that attachment.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in and out.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: Most people don't even pay attention till March Madness anyways.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: So now it's like back then, it was like you
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: and Adam Morrison, Yes, yeah, and you know, and then
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: you and c was awesome.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: When I was there, they want to know five.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: You know, we had some great games with them, So
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: I and they were all upperclass when like all those
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: guys left it, they were all my high school class,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: and they all left after their junior year.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: I decided to stay one more year. So I just
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: think it was like part of part of it was
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: like just the era we were in.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily like I did anything that was that
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: much special relative to other great college basketball players.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're pretty good, so I was. I mean
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, you weren't decent eleventh overall pack,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: you're pretty solid. I was. I was good lem the
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: rob it
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  Speaker 4: M