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- Lucas: If these conversations have moved your work forward or changed how you think about a business problem, there's a really straightforward way to keep them going — we deliberately don't run ads on these shows. Not because ads are evil, but because we want every episode to be exactly as long as the topic needs and not one sentence longer. Luna: Yeah, and that choice only works if people who find value in it choose to support it. It's a small thing, but it adds up. Lucas: Exactly. So if you want to be part of keeping this ad-free, the link is buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, no perks, just knowing the show stays exactly what it is. Luna: And now — we were talking about Blackstone's board, and I think the 2007 IPO decision is a great place to dig in. Lucas: Right. So Blackstone started in 1985 as a tiny M&A advisory shop. Two guys — Pete Peterson and Stephen Schwarzman — with a desk and a dream. Fast forward to 2007, they're managing over $80 billion in assets. And the board faces a question: do we go public? Luna: Which is unusual for a private partnership. Most firms in that world stay private forever. Why did they even consider it? Lucas: Two reasons. One: liquidity for the founders and early partners. Peterson was in his seventies, Schwarzman in his sixties. They wanted to be able to monetize their stakes without selling the whole firm. Two: a permanent capital base. Public equity gives you currency for acquisitions and allows you to retain talent with stock that's actually tradable. Luna: But there was internal resistance, right? Some partners thought going public would force short-term thinking. Quarterly earnings pressure doesn't mix well with ten-year private equity holds. Lucas: That's exactly the tension. And this is where the board played a critical role. The board at that time included Schwarzman, Peterson, and a few independent directors. They had to weigh the long-term incentive alignment against the need for growth capital. Luna: So what did they decide, and how did they structure it? Lucas: They decided to list on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker B-X — but with a twist. They created a publicly traded partnership structure, not a corporation. That meant they could keep paying dividends from cash flow without double taxation. And they issued only a minority stake — about 12 percent of the economic interest. Luna: So the founders retained control? Lucas: Absolutely. The board designed a dual-class structure where Schwarzman and Peterson held super-voting shares. Even today, Schwarzman controls about 30 percent of the voting power despite owning less than 20 percent of the equity. The board's logic was: this firm is built on founder vision and deal judgment. You don't want that overruled by a hedge fund activist who never signed a check. Luna: But that raises a governance question — how do independent directors actually provide oversight when the founder has a lock on votes? Lucas: It's a real tension. Blackstone's board has historically had strong independent voices. After the IPO, they added directors like Sheila Bair, former FDIC chair, who brought regulatory credibility. And others like William Schreyer, former CEO of Merrill Lynch. The idea is that even if you can't outvote Schwarzman on a charter amendment, you can shape the conversation on risk, succession, and ethics. Luna: And risk is a big one. Blackstone took on leverage — a lot of it. In 2007, they borrowed over $20 billion to acquire Hilton Hotels. That deal almost cratered in 2008. Lucas: The Hilton deal is a textbook case of board-level risk oversight. The board approved the acquisition — a massive leveraged buyout at the peak of the market. Then the financial crisis hit. Hilton's revenue per available room dropped by a third. Blackstone had put $6.5 billion of equity in — that could have gone to zero. But the board didn't panic. They worked with management to restructure debt, cut costs, and wait it out. By 2013, they sold at a huge profit — roughly $10 billion gain. Luna: So the board's patience paid off. But was that luck or good governance? Lucas: I'd argue it's both, but the structure matters. The board had set up incentive alignment: Blackstone's general partners had to co-invest their own capital in every deal, typically one to three percent of the equity. So when Hilton was under water, the partners felt the pain personally. That aligns interests with limited partners in a way a pure public company board doesn't. Luna: That co-investment requirement — is that standard across private equity? Lucas: It's common, but Blackstone was early to codify it in their partnership agreement. The board enforces it. And it's a key reason limited partners — pension funds, sovereign wealth funds — keep committing capital. They know the board won't let management gamble with other people's money without skin in the game. Luna: Let's talk about the board's composition today. Blackstone has about 13 directors. How many are independent? Lucas: Ten of the thirteen are classified as independent. That's a high proportion for a founder-controlled firm. The independent directors include academics like Joseph Baratta, former Blackstone executive, and people from outside finance like Ruth Porat, the CFO of Alphabet. The board also has a separate risk committee that meets quarterly to review portfolio exposures, leverage levels, and concentration risk. Luna: And what about succession? Schwarzman is 79 now. Has the board addressed that? Lucas: They have. In early 2024, the board approved a succession plan that named Jonathan Gray, the head of real estate, as global president and chief operating officer. Gray is seen as the heir apparent. The board also created an office of the CEO, with several senior executives sharing responsibilities. This is a deliberate attempt to avoid a single point of failure. Luna: But Gray isn't Schwarzman. The culture is very much Schwarzman's creation. Can the board really preserve that? Lucas: That's the million-dollar question. The board has been proactive: they've embedded the firm's 'one firm' partnership culture in the incentive structure. Every professional is evaluated on collaboration across business lines — real estate, private equity, credit, hedge funds. Bonuses are tied to firm-wide performance, not just individual deal profits. The board reviews those metrics annually. Luna: Interesting. So the board uses compensation as a governance tool. Lucas: Exactly. And they've been transparent about it. In the proxy statement, they disclose the exact formula for calculating bonuses: 40 percent based on fund performance, 30 percent on firm profitability, 30 percent on individual contribution. That kind of detail is unusual for a private equity firm. Luna: But there's also the elephant in the room: carried interest. The '2 and 20' fee structure. Critics say it incentivizes excessive risk-taking. How does the board address that? Lucas: The board has a compensation committee that reviews the carried interest allocation. They've added clawback provisions — if a fund underperforms after fees, partners have to return some carried interest. And they've also moved to a 'European waterfall' structure in some funds, where limited partners get their capital back plus a preferred return before the general partner gets any carried interest. That reduces the incentive for reckless leverage. Luna: So the board is actively refining the compensation model. Is that typical for PE firms? Lucas: Not really. Many PE firms have very small boards — often just the founders and one or two insiders. Blackstone's board is unusually large and independent. They've also adopted most of the corporate governance best practices from public companies: annual director elections, majority voting, a lead independent director. The lead independent director role is held by someone like Ruth Porat, who can call meetings without the CEO present. Luna: That's significant. It gives the board a way to address sensitive issues like CEO performance or ethical lapses without the founder controlling the agenda. Lucas: Right. And it's been tested. In 2021, Blackstone faced scrutiny over its investments in Chinese technology companies. The board's independent directors formed a special committee to review compliance with U.S. sanctions and export controls. That committee had its own legal counsel and reporting line to the board, not management. Luna: So they have a mechanism for dealing with geopolitical risk. What about the broader portfolio? Blackstone now manages over $1 trillion. How does the board oversee that scale? Lucas: They use a combination of fund-level advisory boards and the corporate board. Each major fund has its own advisory board composed of large limited partners — pension funds, sovereign wealth funds. Those advisory boards review individual deals and valuations. The corporate board then focuses on firm-level strategy, capital allocation, and enterprise risk. It's a layered approach. Luna: Does the corporate board ever override a fund advisory board? Lucas: Very rarely. But it can. For example, if a deal would create excessive concentration in one sector — say, 30 percent of total assets in oil and gas — the corporate board can impose a limit. They did that in 2020 after the oil price crash. They capped energy exposure at 15 percent of total assets under management. That kind of macro oversight is the board's job. Luna: Let's zoom out. What's the biggest governance challenge Blackstone's board faces today? Lucas: I'd say it's the transition to the next generation of leadership while maintaining the culture. Schwarzman is irreplaceable in some ways — his network, his deal judgment, his ability to recruit talent. The board has to ensure the firm doesn't become a bureaucracy after he steps back. They've been investing in a management team that's younger and more diverse, but the proof will be in the next crisis. Luna: And the next crisis could come from anywhere — interest rates, regulation, a recession. The board's risk committee must be busy. Lucas: Absolutely. And they've been stress-testing the portfolio for higher for longer interest rates. In their latest annual report, they disclosed that under a severe recession scenario — GDP down three percent, unemployment at eight percent — their portfolio losses would be manageable, less than 15 percent of net asset value. That's the kind of scenario planning the board requires. Luna: So the Blackstone board isn't a rubber stamp. It's actively shaping strategy and risk appetite. Lucas: That's the takeaway. They've built a governance model that balances founder control with independent oversight, long-term incentives with risk management. It's not perfect — no board is — but it's one reason Blackstone has grown from that two-man shop to a trillion-dollar asset manager. The board didn't just approve deals; it built the machine. Luna: And the machine keeps running. Thanks, Lucas. Lucas: Thanks, Luna.