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Ep. 720: Beaver Castor Moonshine and Will Primos' Shotguns · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: But my favorite senior citizen by far, Will Primost, is here.
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  Speaker 1: Will Primost joined us back on episode five ninety three
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  Speaker 1: and we talked about a gun auction that was coming
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  Speaker 1: up later this year where Will had over the years
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  Speaker 1: collected a collection of.
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  Speaker 2: Perdy hammer guns Perdy p U r d e Y
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  Speaker 2: Perdy Purdy hammer gun shotguns.
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  Speaker 1: How many in the collection?
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  Speaker 2: Five?
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  Speaker 1: And uh they're nice guns. This is a valuable collection.
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  Speaker 1: And Will was telling us how he is donating these
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  Speaker 1: guns for a auction for a conservation fundraiser. He's just
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  Speaker 1: giving them up, the whole collection. And I said, man,
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  Speaker 1: when that happens, you should come back on the show.
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  Speaker 1: You can come on the show anytime you want. But
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  Speaker 1: I said, you should come back on the show and
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about the auction and plug the auction. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get around to that and do that
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  Speaker 1: and talk about some more stuff you got going on.
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  Speaker 1: And this the organization at Steward Stuart Link. Stuart asked,
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  Speaker 1: Stewart Steward, not Stuart. I keep seeing it like a name,
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  Speaker 1: like a dude named Stuart Stuart. Picture a guy named that.
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  Speaker 2: The steward of the land is the person who owns
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  Speaker 2: it and farms it or leases it in Farman. Whoever
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  Speaker 2: has can control of the land is the steward got it.
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  Speaker 2: And so we are the link for the steward to
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  Speaker 2: the NRCS offices, FSA offices, carbons regruestration companies, anything that
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  Speaker 2: benefits the land, anything that can help you provide income
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  Speaker 2: to afford land or to make it better to conserve water,
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  Speaker 2: variable rate pesticide probs, veriable rate fertilizer programs, equipped level
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  Speaker 2: of land so it could be easier to irrigate it,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it might be. And all this got started because
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  Speaker 2: Nick Thomas, the founder, helped me with my farm and
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't get anybody to help me with anything on
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  Speaker 2: my farm. And then over a number of years he
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  Speaker 2: got probably, I mean, you know, telling hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of dollars. I stopped, stopped the water from going into
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  Speaker 2: the creek and roading and the land and filling the
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  Speaker 2: creek in. I planted trees along the bank, stopped all that,
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  Speaker 2: put land back into trees, did warm seas and grasses,
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  Speaker 2: restored the quail. There's just tons of things you can do.
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  Speaker 2: And you can get their their their excuse me, public
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  Speaker 2: and private people that will help. I'll help you provide
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  Speaker 2: that God money to do it. Yeah, my buddy Doug
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  Speaker 2: Durren's getting excited right now. Yeah, listening, Doug Darren needs
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  Speaker 2: to't know about Stuart Lake.
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  Speaker 1: You need to know about Doug Durran, Doug Duranty to
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  Speaker 1: know about Stuart l There you go. Uh, it's a
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  Speaker 1: huge wrong. I got to write it on my hand.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about this senior citizen stuff. Yeah, I got
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  Speaker 2: it bad. Yeah. Yesterday I was I had to get
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  Speaker 2: a haircut, and I went to this place called Great
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  Speaker 2: Clips and that's where I go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the lady will they stick you for that haircut?
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen dollars? I said, how come it's so cheap? Just
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  Speaker 2: because you're a senior citizen.
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  Speaker 1: I think she was hitting on you. You look great, Phil,
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  Speaker 1: something's wrong. We're super loud man.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Spencer asked me to turn up the volume
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  Speaker 3: on those head films. I can turn years down alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, you know what, close your eyes? I meant, well,
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  Speaker 1: Corey block his eyes now it filtered me all the
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  Speaker 1: way off. Now come on, man, it's a sensitive No.
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  Speaker 1: I want I want to test. I want filled it
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  Speaker 1: or what am I saying? I want will to take
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  Speaker 1: a I want you to smell something.
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  Speaker 4: There you go. You're on your own closing your eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's pretty good. Hey, don't don't open I
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  Speaker 1: got trust you got him open. This is the most
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  Speaker 1: intriguing odor. Spill it. No, I'm not do anything bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a bad it's not a bad smell. Guide
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  Speaker 1: guide him into that quarry. Well, I'll just put it.
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  Speaker 1: Put your hand out, will It looks like.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna want to reach out with your left Reach
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  Speaker 4: out with your left hand and grab this Mason jar. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: it's to the left of your microphone.
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  Speaker 1: Here, just put it up there, just feel it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there like a bad way of doing Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Take a what are you getting what are you getting?
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  Speaker 4: Can we pass it around?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: It's in the heck.
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  Speaker 1: This is my favorite thing I've ever made.
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  Speaker 5: Man, isn't that something I that's just by looking at it.
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  Speaker 3: So you're familiar with medicinal marijuana.
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  Speaker 1: You don't like the smell, Oh that's an overreaction.
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  Speaker 6: First, or you just related. But that's like chemical science class.
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  Speaker 2: Chemical geese.
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  Speaker 1: I sniffed in my eyes and smell. The whole room
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  Speaker 1: smells like.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody who's listening. That's like a jar of like breaking
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  Speaker 6: soy sauce. That's what it looks.
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 5: The planet.
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  Speaker 1: That right there is beaver castors soaking and moonshine.
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  Speaker 2: Shot. I mean I used to trap, and I always said,
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  Speaker 2: if anybody wants to torture me, tie me up and
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  Speaker 2: fade me, cast all die. That's the nastiest smelling stuff.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit now and then is good. Yeah, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to say, you drink that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think I'm gonna though. So here's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: There's a there's a here's why I have this. Oh
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  Speaker 1: it's an intriguing odor.
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  Speaker 5: It is really striking.
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  Speaker 1: There's a famous lure maker still alive. Won't come on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It is not a yeah, won't.
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  Speaker 1: Come on the podcast, doesn't understand what what you're even
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  Speaker 1: talking about when you bring it up to him. Mike
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  Speaker 1: Marziada is his name.
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  Speaker 6: You're listening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about ready to pay him to come on and
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  Speaker 1: be like, okay, listen, okay, don't come just I have
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  Speaker 1: a job for you, don't I have a job, and
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  Speaker 1: it would be that you come be on the podcast
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  Speaker 1: and just don't worry about it. Is there's a day rate.
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  Speaker 6: We should just call it like radio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like whatever we give a camera guy for a
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  Speaker 1: day rate? What we give a camera guy for a
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  Speaker 1: day right, we'd give Mike Marziada as a day rate
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  Speaker 1: to come on the show and talk about trapping lure.
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  Speaker 6: You don't pay guests.
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  Speaker 1: He has a column in Trapper's Post. He has like
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  Speaker 1: a lure making column in Trappers Post, and in it
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about how, over the years the different ways
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  Speaker 1: he's experimented with preserving beaver casters for lure making, and
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  Speaker 1: he says like you can soak them in ever clear.
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  Speaker 1: He says you can soak them in cheap wine and
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  Speaker 1: then when you later grind him up to put it
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  Speaker 1: because it's a kind of a universal animal tract in yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I happened to have we quit. Me and my wife
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  Speaker 1: quit drinking booze. So now we just have Booze who
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  Speaker 1: just lives in the house and it never goes down. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I have a bottle of moonshine that I've owned
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  Speaker 1: since the beginning of time, and I topped him off
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  Speaker 1: with moonshine. And I cannot get over the just how
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  Speaker 1: intriguing that s.
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  Speaker 2: Lure maker will pay you for that formula.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Mike, if you come on, you can
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  Speaker 1: have that job.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that's safe to drink?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that. Yeah, you think that.
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  Speaker 2: It would be.
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  Speaker 1: It's just pickled uh glands, yeah, picked.
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  Speaker 2: But it's got this it doesn't It doesn't smell like
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  Speaker 2: casher m m.
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  Speaker 1: That's what. Yeah, I know it's there.
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  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, it may be there, but it's
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  Speaker 2: something that makes it tolerable.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's definitely there.
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  Speaker 1: Just take a big old swig of that. You don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get all drunk, do you trying to quit?
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  Speaker 4: You know it looks and smells like pickled elk nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't smell like a pickled Take another whiff. You guys
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  Speaker 1: are not you guys like you're not thinking.
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  Speaker 4: Man, well, I was thinking about elk nuts when I
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  Speaker 4: was smelling.
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  Speaker 5: It smells like castor.
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  Speaker 1: Give him another whiff, Corey taking their whiff.
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  Speaker 5: I think it smells like castor and picture picture May.
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  Speaker 1: Picture it's May and you're walking along a stream.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, do that a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now take a whiff.
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  Speaker 7: And you've got a glass of ever clear in your
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  Speaker 7: hand and you're drunk on.
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  Speaker 4: Shine, just like smelling the lid safer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get in there, y, I did that the first time.
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  Speaker 5: Don't spill it, Will's lap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like take a swig of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'd drink it all, but I don't drink it.
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  Speaker 7: Just smells dangerous through a coffee filter and drink it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: if we can strain it a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But if you if you consume cast or, like what yeah,
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  Speaker 6: what uh?
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  Speaker 5: What could happen? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Like what's is it like packed with vitamins and minerals?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great for you. It's no different than I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can eat a whole animal. Yeah, flavor cigarettes with it.
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  Speaker 6: Have you ever made like what's the consistency when it's
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  Speaker 6: like fresh in the body. Is it more like brain?
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  Speaker 2: Is it more like brain?
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  Speaker 1: Hard looks like brain, But when you open it up,
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  Speaker 1: it's a paste. There's a paste inside of it.
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  Speaker 5: There's like an oily paste. And then there's like a castor.
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  Speaker 6: One day like like panco fried.
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  Speaker 1: There's no no, I'm not. The smell gets the smell
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  Speaker 1: like will saying, the smell gets to you.
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  Speaker 7: After a while, your brain starts to think that it's
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  Speaker 7: like you know, people make like apple, they'll make moonshine
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  Speaker 7: with like apples and cinnamon's brain. Your brain starts to
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  Speaker 7: think that it's cinnamon, and you sort of want it.
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  Speaker 1: Take a big old swig, just take a little Have you.
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  Speaker 2: Have you had your I'm not opposed to you. Have
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  Speaker 2: you had your?
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  Speaker 6: If you take a little shot, I'll take a little
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  Speaker 6: sh drink.
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  Speaker 1: You got pansies Now I'm gonna be back, be back
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  Speaker 1: to drinking.
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  Speaker 3: I'll drink it.
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  Speaker 7: I just there's a lot of floaties in there that
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  Speaker 7: I'm I don't want to pick out of my teeth.
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  Speaker 1: We're one day sitting there at the dinner table and
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  Speaker 1: my kid knows that I used to We used to
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  Speaker 1: drink like you know, we used to drink like people
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  Speaker 1: drink social social drinking. And I don't know where he
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  Speaker 1: picked up this expression, but he was fourteen and he
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  Speaker 1: says to me that, how long you've been sober?
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  Speaker 2: I like what.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, That like implies like a whole other level of.
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  Speaker 7: Your sobriety journey.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's what they're called now, even within the
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  Speaker 3: confines of my home, that makes me uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, that's like a different thing.
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  Speaker 2: You're nuts. You're nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Tastes like it smells nuts. God, regret that you want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about your jar now, I regret that my jar.
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  Speaker 1: Oh your guys jar. I'm not gonna vomit. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go grab it. I'm gonna grab it, Sordie.
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  Speaker 4: Pop and wash down that castor. I believe what's referring
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  Speaker 4: to are that all the jars of bear grease that
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  Speaker 4: I just passed out, uh, freshly rendered yesterday. It looks
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  Speaker 4: like it still needs to find a cool dark area
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  Speaker 4: to Yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Impressed it's still liquid form here.
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  Speaker 4: It sat in the chen all night. Yeah, I'm surprised
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  Speaker 4: it is too, But find a cool dark pantry and
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  Speaker 4: it'll solidify on you.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, did you're explaining us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, got a jar of bear grease. I passed out
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  Speaker 4: to everybody that wanted.
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  Speaker 1: One, and you got it off the spring bear, which
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  Speaker 1: is unusual. Yeah, to get that much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got four gallon ziplock baggies full of fat
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  Speaker 4: off of them, which I always figures each gallon ziplocks
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  Speaker 4: about seven pounds.
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  Speaker 6: But that's because it was the biggest bear that ever was.
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  Speaker 1: That's not true.
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  Speaker 4: The second biggest bear.
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  Speaker 1: We just I just I just held the biggest bear
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  Speaker 1: that ever was. Okay, was it a boon and crocodile?
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  Speaker 4: Well, gotta give it some time to shrink.
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  Speaker 1: Where's it sitting at right now?
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  Speaker 4: My garage?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, no, what what the skull?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Twenty just over twenty inches it? It might shrink enough?
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  Speaker 2: You are you?
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  Speaker 1: Are you drying at the bucket of water?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: Bea have a beatled No, I've already boiled it.
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  Speaker 3: On to bomber beatles, who just make things prettier.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, now this is free though.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's shrinkage with beatles too, probably.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was always wondering if boiling would shrinking. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not gonna actually have it officially measured, but it's it's
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  Speaker 4: roughly twenty inches.
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  Speaker 1: Big old bear. I'm not I'm not. I'm just jealous,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean anything over nineteen inch skulls. I mean
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  Speaker 3: that's a big old black bro.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good looking I'm just having on it because
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  Speaker 1: I'm jealous. But when you showed me, I remember saying
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  Speaker 1: how big it was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was asking if you needed the the shin
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  Speaker 4: bones for more halibate hooks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I got two shin bones and I'm sending to
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  Speaker 1: I got two shin bones that I'm sending to Heather's
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  Speaker 1: dad who was interested in in in uh, because do
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  Speaker 1: you remember the one I made?
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  Speaker 4: Was it last year?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So that was from my bear last year?
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  Speaker 1: No, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But did you ever
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  Speaker 1: see you with the finished product? So Heather, Heather Duville
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  Speaker 1: who's cling it and lives in Southeast Alaska. They make
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  Speaker 1: a halibit hook called a knock knoh. White folks can't
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  Speaker 1: say the word. I've tried a bunch of time.
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  Speaker 4: Lets you drink that moonshine, and that's the first.
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  Speaker 2: I think said the word earlier.
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  Speaker 4: If you drank that body, you'd be like, it's a nah,
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  Speaker 4: come out crystal clear.
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  Speaker 1: They make a knock and it's uh they and her
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  Speaker 1: father carves them just type up like traditional cling it
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  Speaker 1: hall hook. You'll see a picture. Not you, Corey, but I.
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  Speaker 1: They use yellow cedar and a and like a like
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  Speaker 1: a juniper. You you you and they and but anyways,
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  Speaker 1: they make it with a lot of traditional materials. They
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  Speaker 1: waited with a just a regular rock, but her father
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  Speaker 1: uses stainless steel. The barb he uses stainless rod. He
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  Speaker 1: was explaining to me that traditionally it was a bear's
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  Speaker 1: shin b. So I got from Corey's bear last year.
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  Speaker 1: I got a shin bone, and I made a few
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  Speaker 1: prongs and I took one of their knocks and took
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  Speaker 1: the stainless off and put the what I basically took
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  Speaker 1: the shin bone, took a porter band, kind of got
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  Speaker 1: it roughed in, and then I ran it on a
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  Speaker 1: you know, I did it. I took a bench made
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  Speaker 1: belt and just slowly like for like sharpener belt and
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  Speaker 1: shape that thing. I was quite proud of it, sent
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  Speaker 1: it up to him. I don't know if they've used
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  Speaker 1: it yet, but anyways, her dad's kind of a perfectionist,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm guessing that he's not happy with. He probably
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  Speaker 1: likes the idea, but is not impressed by that nice gesture.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I could see what he was shooting. He's
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  Speaker 1: probably I'm putting thoughts in his mouth, but he's probably like,
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  Speaker 1: I see what this kid was shooting for, and if
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  Speaker 1: I had a shin bone, I would perfect. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: sending him shinbones to perfect.
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  Speaker 4: Do you need more?
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  Speaker 1: No, But I do think the one I made would work.
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  Speaker 1: I do think the shin bone I put on there
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  Speaker 1: would work. That'd be awesome. Yeah, but I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they've tried it out yet. When I
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  Speaker 1: went out with them to set these hooks, I was skeptical.
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  Speaker 1: Were you there? Yeah? You were there?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We went out and set six. We made six sets,
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  Speaker 1: and you always fished two out of you fish two
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  Speaker 1: next to each other. And she's been on the podcast
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  Speaker 1: explain that you when you set them out, there's two
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  Speaker 1: hook You set two hooks next to each other, and
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  Speaker 1: you implore them to compete with one another, So you're
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  Speaker 1: setting them together to outshine each other. And when you
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  Speaker 1: set them, you encourage them. You're like, go get them,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're like your friends coming to fight you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so you lower it down and we set
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  Speaker 1: out six sets. So he set twelve hooks and pulled
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  Speaker 1: like three seventy pound plus. Hell yeah, wow, like an
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  Speaker 1: hour soak. That's an hour soak. One of them had.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: One of them was a double. Yeah. I couldn't believe it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I couldn't have done that with regular hooks. And that
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: was like not like ideal season. It was late season.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was what September was it was it that over?
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little later. It's kind of after
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this the salmon were done.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was late September.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: The softcover of Catching Crayfish Counting Stars is out if
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you haven't already picked up a softcover copy, it's out.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: So it's our kids activity book. I did two books
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like back to back. I did Outdoor Kids in an
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Inside World, which is kind of a book for parents
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: or caregivers, their aunts and uncles about getting kind of
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the philosophy and practice of getting kids engaged with nature.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: And then the follow up was Ketcha Crayfish Counting Stars,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: which is like an activity book for outdoor kids to educate,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: inspire and make them tougher, make them more knowledgeable about nature.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It's just little things they can do, projects they can
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: do with help. You know, some things you got to
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: have a machety or whatever, So you got to help
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: them out with some stuff. Some stuff they can do
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: safely on their own. It came out in hardcover. It
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: was a number one New York Times bestseller. The soft
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: cover is out. So what I keep saying as a
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: joke is if you've got a kid that's not good enough,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: really not well behaved enough for a hardcover, like what
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: kid in America is so bad you can't have a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: soft cover. I really liked that joke a lot. I've
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: used it four times. It was the fourth time.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: How is it performing on the.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: No feedback on it? No feedback? It might be like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Corey's Bear, where people are jealous and so they don't
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: say much.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: No.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: No, I just told you I liked the joke. I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: thought you're being facetious.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: No no, I thought it was very clever. I like
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: the idea of bad kids.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Think we may have.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Lost Will here.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I'm bringing them right back
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: in because I got a question for Will. Okay, picture
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: with me?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, do you know what this shirt is? You don't,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. This is the odds of if you
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: get within seventy yards of a turkey and his roof
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: tree and don't do anything, what are the odds he's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: going to walk within shotgun range? That's the math problem.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Do nothing, do nothing. There's a thirteen
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: percent chance he'll be within shotgun range when he leaves.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That leads into my question, if you like, if you
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: just take an average turkey hunter's lifetime and he and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: he here's a gobble and calls to a bird, the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: bird doesn't come, what percent of the time in your
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in your view, after lifetime of turkey hunting and being
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a master turkey hunter, in your view, what percent of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the time is the turkey he not interested versus the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: turkey's thinking, I don't buy it. Something's up.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It's pretty much he don't trust it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Oh you think so?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's he's there's been some association with hearing
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a yell, hearing it come from he knows it's on
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the ground, he's in the tree. That's always a bad deal.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: We never we never say nothing to his feet on
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the ground. But I have a friend who had one
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of those turkeys and one of what turkeys, one of
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: them turkeys you couldn't kill that he would he gobbled,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you'd yep him, and he wouldn't come. He'd always go
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the other way, and he didn't. Eventually, gob will go
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: in the other way. So he took his son in
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: there and he said, let's flip a coin, decide who's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: gonna yep. And they did and the dad lost. So
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they got on both sides of the tree, about one
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: hundred yards apart from the tree.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So now they got a twenty six percent chance that
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: they do nothing.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: They know this turkey, they know he's gonna go. You're
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: gonna go straight no matter if they knew straight away,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Daddy yelped. Little David's out there with us going up.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Five minutes later, he going.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: So you think that they're like you remember, you know
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the great famous Turkey book, tenth Legion. Oh yeah, it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like a masterpiece, right, Like, no one will ever write
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a better turkey.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: No, nobody's got nobody's got Tom Kelly's brain. He's unbelievable.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care who what when no one's going
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to ever write a better turkey book. OK, if you're
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: writing a turkey book, stop that's right. Write a different book, right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a beaver book.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tom Kelly has the thing where he has like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a kid. He doesn't describe it as an epiphany, but
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: one day he's talking about he's watching some times like
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it's spring turkey season. He's watching some gobblers yep, going
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: about their business yep, and he's here comes a real
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: live hen yep, yep.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Cap yap, yap, yap.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: They never looked at him, he says. They never lift
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: their head up. And he's like, in that moment, was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's not that they're right, but that's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a real hand dude, and they don't care.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: You're talking about these turkey hunters who think they know
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: it all and they think there's God's gift to Colin
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna yell and they're gonna and so the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: turkey ends up associating so much with what you're doing
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and the stimuli that he's getting, he learns to stay
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: away from it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: M hmm. So you've gotten where you don't make a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: peep till they hit the ground.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Never, huh. That is that's a cardinal rue. Really, you
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: don't do it to get him.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You hear other hens yelp before before they're they hit
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the ground.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: He just knows that where they're usually in the tree.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Mm hm.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So if you're on the ground, he's in a tree,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I mean more time than not, depending on the terrain.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: He knows you're down there, right, And so what what's
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: supposed to happen? You're supposed to walk to his tree?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: That's why he stays in the tree, goblin. You're supposed
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to walk to his tree and then you and he
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: flies down. So you got to break that. So you
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: got to make him think he's losing something. You know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you hadn't said a word. So what we do? We
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: take a wing? We take a dried wing. Usually it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a hen wing because they bend easier than as stiff
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: as a jake's wing or a goblin's wing.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And you gotta go up, poorch a hen.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Huh, well bearded hen buddy, Okay.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Trying I think out how to get that hen thing.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Like you're telling everybody to go poaching.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Now, no, you just hunting the fog. You have false seasons.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You break him up and whistle him back in okay,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, you fly down, fly down.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And you do the fly down.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Noise with that wing. It's tied to string to my
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: back because they kept leaving, losing him in the woods
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and stays at the back of my vest.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: So is that an like you're cutting the air or
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you're hitting the ground with it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: You're touching the tree because when those when the turkeys
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: leave the limb, leave the roofe, they're hitting limbs and
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: coming down to you. And then you'll fuck and you
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: hit the ground. Okay, and then don't yell. Wait maybe
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: two and a half minutes scratching the leaves. Yep, hmm,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: don't don't. Don't open your mouth. Take the guy's call away.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He's gonna screw it up the instant he tries to
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: yelp better.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Man, I've never used AI in my life, but I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: gonna use it right now. Well, no I have, because
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I used the Merlin app. But I'm gonna use a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: eye to make him say all the opposite, and then
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the only one that knows the truth.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: So we had a similar question yesterday on when we
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: did The Meat Eater Live. We had somebody ask about
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: using a predator call er faun in distress call. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: think I brought up the fun in distress call for
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: black bears, and I very much of the opinion that
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: if it's kind of a two sided thing, if you
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: just want to kill a bear, then you risk use,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: you risk not getting a bear by using a fun
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and distress call, in my opinion, because small bears will
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: go the opposite direction. Oh yep, they're like, don't just
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: not worth the risk, got it. But big bears either
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: care or they don't care. But they don't leave the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: country because they're using a fun industress.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: They just might not. I've watched many of them not
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: picked their head up right, and then one in ten
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: goes ballistic.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Yeap goes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: He's gone.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should probably.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Make a T shirt out of that, Like, what are
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the mathematical odds of a bear coming to your predator call?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: If you're close, maybe in his lap.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: That's the finest T shirt I've ever seen.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Well, you want to see something that's going to really
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: impress you, Yeah, it's outside. Go out that door. Because
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: we had different engineers.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Hang tight, ament, boy, it's showing tell day here. On
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the Old Meat Eater podcast, Uncle Will's in town. Steve's
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: getting all the stuff out.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another Yeah, it's another version.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Therefore, q E d B equal zero over three sixty
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: times one hundred and sin one quarter. I don't know
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: who poulin Neck is, but he's good. That is crazy.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: No, it's a good little formula. A guy wrote in
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: we got a listener question. The guy wrote in, he's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: been struggling with some beavers, and then he's saying he
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: thinks that beaver's attacked his canoe. I disagree, porcupine, His
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: canoe got attacked by a porcupine. To his canoe got
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: attacked by a porcupine. That ain't a beaver.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I only think beaver's just chew on random stuff.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: You need to qualify where where the canoe got attacked?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Southwest Wisconsin. You want to see the picture?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. But but if you were from Mississippi,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: it was not a porcupine.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Oh that's a good point.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He's a porcupine. He's a porcupine country.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Porcupines will eat tree stands, they like treated plywood, they like.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: You know, they like axe handles because you just sweat
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: from your hands getting on the axe handle wouldn't ax handle.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: No, No, Porky's in Mississippi.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Huh.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: They just don't exist down there.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Really when you say accent, one of my favorites saying
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: is I'm as scared of her as a possibly as
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: an axe handle. That's what I think.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I start using that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had him chew on my fly rod, cork handles, yep, sweat.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: My dad had a cab and he's telling me that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they had a cabin. He said, you kind of like
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: people would walk out the door to take a leak
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and there was a stump, and you would naturally it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: just like a human fire hydrant, like anyone that like
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: like went out the door. They'd go slightly left in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: piana stump. And he said the porcupines always out there
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: gnawing on that stump, just from the minerals and stuff
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: in the mountain goats.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: The guy rode in, But that's really complicated. Battle with
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: beaver covered that. Oh, here's a good one for you,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: will opinions. I'm keeping freshwater fishing a small boat. Let's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: say you're out fishing, what do you guys? Calm down
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: where you're from? Brim You say, bluegills or do you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: say brim brim blue elles? Okay, you're on a small boat.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: He's like, how do you keep fish nice? You know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: like you don't have a big old ice chest. He's
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: just asking, how do you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Put them in a basket in the water. You keep
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: them breathing and alive. You like the basket the same
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: way you do an alligator. You catch an alligator, you
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: don't kill him. No, take his mouth up and your
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: tie his arms up behind his back and keep him
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: alive till you get him to the butcher room.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Everybody knows that I've everybody knows that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: This guy is going to be delighted that he's getting
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: He just thought he's gonna get advice from us guys,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: but he's getting advice from will pray.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: If you want it, if you want it fresh, keep
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: it alive.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Makes sense to me totally.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: If you guys have any thoughts on if my stringer
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and what's he got going on?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Sorry, our brim game up here is pretty weak. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: would love some easy access to like throwing some slip
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: bobbers for for like.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I just got I just got back from the wind
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: River Canyon and this guy was using a balloon as
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: an indicator, and it looked just like a cork, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I kept saying, do you see my cork move? And
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: he goes, do what? So I went on the internet
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and I searched definition of a fishing cork, and after
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: he left that day, I sent it, sent it to him.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't reply.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I got a couple additional thoughts now that I've read
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it more carefully. He's using a stringer combo, stringer fish
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: basket combo. He's putting them on a stringer out in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the water, then he's throwing them in a fish basket
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: when he's back. And he's also fishing for northeast northern,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: so he's dealing with some larger fish. He needs to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: go with.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: An ice chest for the northern for the bigger ones,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: keep him, you know, nice and fresh. But the smallment
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: was keeping in a basket. If you use the stringer,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you're gonna bust their lips, they're gonna break off, or
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you put it through the gills, you gotta kill it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: That's all I was gonna include for him is I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: remember when we were little, we used to use stringers
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and we didn't know, so we'd always run it under
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the gill car and you got a bunch of dead fish,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and then later learned to prick them with it. But
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you know that's that like we can't for bluegles. That
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't really work.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: We would put them on stringers, but the last time
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: my watermoks had wrapped around that stringer I done.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: My kid recently, he was down fishing in the creek
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: down the road from our house, and they caught some
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: trout and he had him on a string and then
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he looks down there in this big old crayfish messing
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: with his trout. So him and his bodies came home
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and they fried their trout up and boiled that little crayfish.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: It was a nice grayfish, that nice little.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Uh whatever uh fish. Boil, yeah, boil.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: They had a nice little boil. Okay, here's one I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: curious to get your thoughts on this. A guy was
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: at a A guy was at a turkey hunting, like
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a turkey derby North Carolina struck masters or something like that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: He was dismayed by the he was dismayed by the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the field care he witnessed where you're weighing birds, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: so people got their birds hung up with the guts
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in them out in the sun, not chilled. And then
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he was saying that he saw a tremendous amount like no,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like some people not even taking the breasts, but a
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people not taking the most people not taking
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the thighs and legs. What do you think about that?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Wild turkey is just so great. The breast, the legs,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the thighs make the greatest soup. It's just it's just great.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: If you just learn it, you's gotta deal with it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: But leaving the guts in not Usually I draw them,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: you know, that's what you call it. Yeah, yeah, I
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: draw him instant. I killed him before they hardly finished flopping.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, because that's the smells man cut.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You cut a slice there at the bottom of the breast,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: and you stick your hand in and grab the biggest
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: thing you can find, which is gonna be the gids.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That's gonna be the gids. If you can grab a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: hold of it and get it, it's all coming out,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: got it now? If you got to weigh them, because
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not interested in winning some turkey weight contests, so
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I like the meat better than that, So I'm drawing them.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I lost the turkey contest, and uh and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: uh Elroy, I think it's called Elroy, Wisconsin. Is every
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: place called Elroy, Wisconsin? Yeah? Sure, I joined a turkey derby,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but I got my bird and brought it down and
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I was the leader on the board, and then a
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: guy beat me by a few ounces, and all the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: old guys in the bar were just thought I was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the dumbest guy on the planet. My buddy says, he go,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: his dad goes back in there a couple of days later,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and instilling there. He got it
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the bird. Good for you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: But I know this audience member was kind of a
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: pall that there would be so many dead turkeys just
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: pinned to a board, and it was that no one
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: was really taking the meat out of them. So it
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: was about salvage laws. I'm wondering how many states have
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: His final question is my question to the crew is
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: what is the best way to get North Carolina to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: create legislation on a salvage law?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, start showing up at your Fishing Game committee meetings
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: and introduce it. And then eventually, if you feel like
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: you're not getting any traction, you can ride into your
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: state reps and get somebody interested in that, the people
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: that you need to target in that case, or the
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: people who sit on the Fishing Game Committee at the
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: state level.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in I love salvage laws. I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: understand dan like arguments that like, oh, it's a big
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: brother telling you what to do, But I like I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like them. I like how detailed they are. I like
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: salvage laws.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: Are they per species I see?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Or they'll spell it out like ducks up to the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: size of a mallard? Right, an interesting little thing here,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and it's still even though they rolled Montana rolled back
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: some salvage laws, but in Montana, is it Montana?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I think the wing wing meat got to retain the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: wing meat, which.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Wings.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: That's strict. I think for this turkey contest. There is
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of meat on wings for this turkey contest.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: If you want to just make everybody happy and not
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: feel like they're wasting good stuff, is you got to
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: contract out with like some sort of a mobile food
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: trucking service.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: And then it's just an extra fee and part paying
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: the fee.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: People can't just jerk the hide off their turkey and
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: and throw the carcasses and and he says, at least
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: make stock. I put up a ton of stock every year,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: and and and that definitely is part of why I
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: like killing a bunch of turkeys. But yeah, turkey stock
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: is amazing. And if you want, as long as it's fresh,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you you don't have to clean those birds. Well, you
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: just dump it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: All cowls boils the whole bird.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I pull the meat, pull the meat off, take the everything.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But the guy will he throws into a post.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I like to see a turkey baked, roasted hole like
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you like doing that? Yeah, and the in the wild turkey,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of course, the breast but just sticks straight up. It's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: just you know, it's not break round like the swift
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: butter ball. But you boil some water and you dip in.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Of course you've already drawn him, so the hot water.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: You don't want to leave it too much. You don't
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: want to cook the meat, but you you get it
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: just right, and that those feathers will just come off
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in that you're leaving the hot o.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Got Well, then are you Bryan and your bird? And
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: then roasting it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You can. I've done it that way. It's not necessary.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, you just flat clean it good. Pick
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: all the feathers up, all the wing every everything. Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: make it look like you can stuff it if you want.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I like oyster dressing the best cool.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I want people to know that we know that it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: not turkey season anymore.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it depends on who's watching.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: This is the last weekend and it's wrapping up.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I could talk turkeys at any time.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: No, I love talking turkeys. And you got to you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: got to look at a turkey man here. You know. I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: had a guy one time who was in the poultry business,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: uh described me. He lumped turkeys into two categories, sharp
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: breasted and round breasted, and he would say a turkey
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a wild turkey. He said, that's a shark breasted bird.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It's sharp.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way of describing it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And they can be pretty dry, so you can inject
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: them with butter when you bite them. Wild mate can
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: be very very dry.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I would use oven bags and oven I thought the
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: oven bag with brining a bird, you never got a
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: dry bird.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: They were, they were fantastic. Yeah, but I'd take I'd
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: take the legs off because they just wouldn't they wouldn't
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: they went cooked to the same degree.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: The you gotta you gotta cook them slower and more.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: You put the legs in a crockpot. Yeah, and and
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it falls off the boat.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Or Buddy Jesse Griffiths just taught me you basically turn
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: your turkey leg into a smoked hamhock. And so I
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: just did four turkey.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Legs like that, so into something.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I brind them in like a cure style brine, smoked them,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: and then I just back sealed them for doing like
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: big things of collared greens or something like that. Throw
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: them in there for sound good.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting that cast or taste out. Just
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: how long has it been I got here's another advice
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: thing from Okay, another guy wrote in looking for advice,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna put it to you. Okay, this this
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: is like a complict. This put your thinking cap on. Okay,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it's like a math problem.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Okay.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: He's wondering about how to tip a guide, so tipping
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: a guide. Okay, Ready, we got former guides in the room.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: You guys will have an opinion about this. Oh okay,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: put put yourself in the hunters. Don't put you guys.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: So cal Corey you're in the hunter's perspective.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: And Randall Randall's fishing guy.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Oh you've done yeah, you've done some guiding. Okay, you're
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the anglers perspective, not the guy's perspective. John, he said,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: when he used to guide and the clients has come in,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: he goes, you're always looking for subtle cues about who's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: got the bust money so he can get paired with them.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: It doesn't always work out that way.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: No.
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: I had a guy one time spent the whole week.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I fished him for like six days and he'd won
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: the trip, so it was a free trill, and he
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: kept asking me all week. He's like, so, you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: Walter takes care of you, right, Walter takes cally right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: And I was like, man, it's really thoughtful of him
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: that he's he's so concerned that I'm being fed and
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: housed and that my summer's going well. And at the
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: end of the week, he got on the plane and
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: he stuck his head out the plane and he said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: Walter's taking care of you, right, And it finally clicked
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: that he was checking to see whether or not he
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: needed to tip me.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was a free trips too late.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Quick throw a rock through the windshield of plane. Hold
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: on a second.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, ready for this pocket. So you gotta no think
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: we're giving you hit numbers. Here your businessman, six day
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Bear Turkey combo hunt, and the price is The price
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is four six hundred per hunter. The outfitter webs recommends
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty percent tip for the guide plus one
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: hundred to two hundred dollars for the camp cook. The
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: outfitter notified us we will have a guide for Turkey
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and a separate guide for bear. My friend wants to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: tip twenty percent, so nine hundred and twenty dollars plus
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: two hundred to the cook. But he thinks we need
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to tip twenty percent to each guide for a total
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of one thousand, eight hundred and forty dollars worth of tips.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Comes out to a forty four percent increase per hunter.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I'd say, you do whatever you want and give me
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: your friend's number and I'll guide him anytime.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I agree that we should tip for our trip.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I think forty four percent of the total trip price
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: is excessive for each individual hunter. I have two tip recommendations.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Then he goes down with his recommendations. He wants to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: split it up. We're gonna tip twenty percent. So if
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: it's six days of okay, if it's if it's three
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: days of turkey, three days of bear, however you slice it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: You take the twenty percent amount and go like, okay,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you get half of twenty percent, and then the turkey
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: guide gets half of twenty percent. What would you do
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: to me?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It's really simple. Okay, it's a cost of a hunt.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: If the hunt costs you five thousand dollars three days
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: or six days, I tip amendment of twenty percent.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: And they can do how they can divide it up
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: how they.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Want, how they want. Now, I also tip the cook,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like I just left on from a trip on the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: wind River Canyon and I checked in because I wanted
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: to know kind of what the average that typical tip
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: is one hundred dollars per person per day. There's two
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: people in the boat, two hundred dollars a day for
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: three days. That's six hundred dollars. Okay, I gave him,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: mate hunter. I just think gods, now, if the gods,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: if he's a if he's an sob, he's got a
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: bad attitude, and every other word out of his mouth
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: is profanity, which I don't like.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: That explains a lot.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: In other words, if you were my guide, you'd get
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: zero steven.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: You don't want steve guide.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So anyway, I just I just think twenty
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: percent for a tip he guided me once.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Were you cursing all the time?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Nope, that's good. Maybe maybe under my mustache. Yeah, And
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: it was a heck of a tip.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I quit any kind of booze. I'm gonnaquit any kind
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of swearing.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Next, there you go, Good luck, tip your guys twenty percent.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So these you guys, the guy that rolled in twenty
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: percent of the bill, and then divide it of the guides.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: How you think I think that your friend. Thinking that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: each guy gets twenty percent is not the way to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: think about it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: If I'm meeting at a restaurant and my server I
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: get a new server halfway through the meal or whatever,
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: if someone clocked out, I'm not all of a sudden
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: tipping forty percent meal.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: That's that's a great way of looking at it. Another
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: way to look at it. Let's say you're going out
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: like we did a guy to hunt one time for
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: mule deer with Crooked Sky Outfitters, wonderful guys. But you
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: might be with Stuart one day, might be with Land
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: one day. You know what I mean. They might be like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: well today, go with so and so because he wants
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to go up and check. You know, in the end
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: going like sure, twenty percent of the trip to him,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: twenty percent of the trip to him, twenty percent of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the trip to him. Yeah, it wouldn't be how you'd
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: look at it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: So we had a lady that cleaned the lodge in
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the room every day. I gave her one hundred dollars
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: for the three days and which wasn't asked for. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: then the chef was great, he had a great personality
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and he was five star. I gave him six hundred bucks.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Starting to think of my host this show just right.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: To pour him a glass of that will moonshine a couple.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: When you go on these trips and these people, I mean,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: guiding is a great life. If you don't weaken, it
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: can be it can be hard.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: If you don't do what weaken. I don't understand what
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you means, even if the guide doesn't.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: If the guide doesn't weaken, oh I see, I mean
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: it's hard. I got you and and you know, and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and and they're dealing with some of these guides get
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: some pretty bad clients. Oh my gosh, they know it all.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: They want to tell you how to hunt. You got
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: to remember, don't guide the god. You bought a hunt.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: You hired a guide, and you got to go with
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the flow. Yeah, compliment him and and give him the
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: opportunity to do good for you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I've been developing a piece of life advice
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that I've been using, and I use it with contractors. Well,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: if if I'm having a problem with like in my
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: chanical room. I explained this on the show recently. Like
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: let's say I'm having we have in floor heating. You
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: open my mechanical room up. You can't tell what's going
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: on in there's two companies. It's not like the old days,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like a pipe coming in, a pipe going out. You
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: look at your like, who knows. It's like open up
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a NASK control room. So what I do when I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: have a guy over, I don't do that. Well, you know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it might be whatever, And you know, and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I tried a couple of things, but you know, I'm
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: too busy fixing other stuff. So I need you to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: take a quick look and I'd probably be able to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: figure it out. Like I don't do any of that garbage.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I come in and go, man, I'm an idiot. I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about I look in here and it's
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: just I don't get it. That opens up like that
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: opens up a level of rapport and you you just
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: just you dispense with all the trying to save face
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and you just come in and be like, dude, I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't get it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'd love to understand it. I can't understand it. And
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it just creates a different dynamic because a guy's impulse
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: is to try to establish his bona fides. Right good. Yeah,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: So Nate Mason, who we worked with recently, went to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: a dog training thing and he said, the first words
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: out of my mouth he knows a thing or two.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: The first words out of his mouth, man, I'm an idiot.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about any of this, he says,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: just completely changed the whole dynamic. People all day trying
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: to help him out. So he said, like everybody's real
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: nice to him. He got a lot more for his
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: money instead of coming and being like, wow, I've trained
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: a few dogs in my day. You know none of that.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: It's like a fishing guy. You're hiring a guid. We
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: were on the wind river. That guy has been fishing
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that river every day. He's watching the river change, he's
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: watching the levels, he's watching the temperature, he's watching different spots.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: He's figuring it out. And so I come in. I'm
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a big fly fisherman. I go all the time. I
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: know what I'm doing, and I trust to tell the
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: guid what to do. It changed just the dynamics of
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the whole trip. Instead. At first, I said, look, anything
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I do, tell me not to if you need to,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and if you need to tell me twice, tell me twice.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: God tell me what to do. And I want to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: play his game. And he was so much more fun
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and he taught me. I learned stuff that I didn't know.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yep. It was great, yeap.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And then you tip good and you're welcome back.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: So do the guides in this room like this.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: I love everything. Will saying yeah, I need to know
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: more specifics about this bear hunt. Is it a baited
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: bear hunt? Is it spot in stock? Are their hounds involved?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Why you want to talk shop about bear hunt.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't enough information here, Okay.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Will I got one more for you? Greay for this guys, No, gents,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm, sorry for the The title is Turkey's versus
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Grouse Mortal enemies, he said, Sorry for the title. I
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: wanted to grab your attention and all seriousness. However, this
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: has been on my mind quite a few years now.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe you folks have heard of this discussion before, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: maybe you guys think it's nuts. But I'm telling you
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: there's a good amount of Northern Minnesota outdoorsmen who keep
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: repeating what I believe to be a rural myth. That
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: myth is that turkey's target and kill grouse and grouse
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: nests eggs. He says he has had over fifteen people
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: tell him that turkeys are killing the grouse.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Are they all from the same family, It's.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: A large family.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know about that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: Did they suspiciously have a freezer full of grouse?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: No?
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you watch domestic turkeys, not like in
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: your high density facilities, right, but like your normal barnyard,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know, vanity turkeys, we'll call them scratching around.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I mean they'll get they'll get into anything, curiosity stuff,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: and it's not uncommon to like throw eggshells out there
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: for a little added calcium.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: It's a great point because when I put my compost
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: on my garden, the magpies, every bird in town is
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: walking around and there picking the eggshells out during nesting season.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: So it wouldn't surprise me if if a handful of
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: turkeys take advantage of something like that. But I don't
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: think it's going to be a primary food source.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: Or.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: It would be. I mean it'd be really interesting, right
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: if they're there, it'd be like a fisheries biology study. Right,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: It's like how much mass can that landscape port? And
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: by killing off the grouse, the turkey population will grow somehow, right.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I say, look at the science, somebody, I don't know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: it's look at the size. I mean, what's the what's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the turkey biologist name from Georgia Chamberlain. Yeah, so if
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm mistaken, If I remember right, he's the one
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: who figured out that the great horned isle was killing
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: the guy was knocking them off the limb and flying
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: down and eating their head and all the entest from
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the neck. And that's it. But he documented it. He
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: figured it out and documented it scientifically. So that's what
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: needs to be done.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think you don't understand how the game of
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: BS has played.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I do. I do, and I'm telling you I'm using
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the side I'm going to side.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Well, there is a there is a there is a
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: parallel because we had a woman the show. I think
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: she's sitting right where you're sitting right now, and they
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: do cameras on Turkey nests, right, So all you gotta
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: do is you gotta somehow. It's probably not hard to do.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: You can design this though. You got to catch grouse,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: find the females, put a marker on them at the
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: right time of year, find when they're hanging out. Go there.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: She was concerned that, she explained us. She was concerned
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that that what's that thing in astronomy, like just you
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: watching it changes it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: M oh Hesberg Heisenberg's principle.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: There's a bit of Heisenberg's principle at play because she
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: feels that your she feels that your presence at the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: nest changes a dynamic. And she has noticed that when
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: she goes to a nest site and does the work
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and sets the camera up. She feels that very quickly
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: thereafter there's a bobcat present in a much higher likelihood
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: than a bob cat will be present right away then later,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: And somehow that activity and human order and messing around
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: is somehow attractive. Wow, she was speculating. She doesn't know,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: but she has it. She's like, why is it that
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: we place a camera and so quickly there's a bobcat
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: there and then no bobcats? You know who knows a
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: studio Miriams, Kansas. Okay, so whatever that would be in
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: h Rio's or Eastern studying that but yeah, it would
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: be an interesting thing. But I'll tell you one thing
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that changed my life and how I view wildlife is
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you remember long it must maybe it was a decade ago.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Someone had a trail cam image of a of a
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: white tail deer that walked up to a robin nest
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and ate some of the chicks. And I'm like, hey,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: all bets are off, Like, all bets are off. You know.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I can't remember where we were, but somebody was, oh,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: it was in Wyoming the other day. But there's a
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: bunch of town pheasants basically in all the green areas.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And this friend of mine. His folks had just moved
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: to town, and it asked him, is there anything they
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: can do about these pheasants because they're they're cackling so
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: early in the morning.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Get up earlier and go to work.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: And yeah, maybe that's what that white tailed deer was
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: doing in the morning.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I watched we were watching, me and my boy were
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: watching some turkeys, you know, as turkeys off and are
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: on the wrong side of a fence, just watching them
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and like trying to call him into a place they
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: never want to go in a millionaires, you know. And
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: like this bird, we watched him for an hour, you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and he never made a peep. And then a while later,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: this pheasant gets up and he's doing those low flying,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like flying cackles and gets over that turkey's head and
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: hit it. Hit like a good shot, gobble off that rooster.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Well tell us about the gun auction. Well
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: these are what if people want to see what they
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: look like? What can they type into their phone.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: The truth about conservation dot com?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is to see the actual things.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see the guns.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, truth call it conservation dot com. So as he
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: will's talking, since you probably have your phone with you
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Truth about Conservation dot Com. Then in the gun auction
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you can you can behold the purty shotguns that will
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: will now explain the history of and what's happening with them.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've always loved my first my first gun
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: ever shot was the Fox Model B side by side,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: double trigger. My dad when he got out of World
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: War two, he was alive, He got on went to
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: the hardware store. He was gonna go hunting, and bought
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: him that gun for ten dollars used and it's now
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite guns. And so he then bought
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: some bamboo fly rods, and uh, that's kind of the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: story of my daddy after World War two and hunting
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: and fishing. But as time went on, didn't have any money,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and I just loved the marriage of metal the wood.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And Uh.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I went hunting with a guy and he had hollering
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and holloing hammer guns and he handed me one and
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: we went hunting. And it's just so much fun to
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: cock those hammers. So before they figured out how to
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: put the hammers internally and the cock them when you
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: open when the gun opened, cock them, the hammers were
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: on the outside and so you cocked the hammers and
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: you had a safety and just like any normal gun.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: So the hammers are cought, and it was just so
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: much fun shooting it. You don't see the hammers when
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: you shoulder the gun when you mount it. And so
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the first gun that I ordered was a sixteen Gage
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: and Purdy was happened to be in town. I asked
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: them to meet with me. That took me to dinner,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: thought them. I wanted to order the sixteen, and I
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: wanted to reserve the four ten, the twenty eight, the
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: twenty having the sixteen made and the twelve the serial
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: number consecutive, because I was going to order all of
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: them over time.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: But how would the serial number be consecutive. They've reserved them.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Oh I got okay, yeah, so they reserved the serial numbers.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I see, so those were gonna be my serial numbers
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: when I ordered the guns. So ordered the sixteen and
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that was the sixteen Gays like my daddy's fox.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And so I just loved hunting with a gun. I
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: kill a white tail with it, turkey squirrels, killing the
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: limit of gray squirrels. That holding up a two hundred
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars shotgun. It's kind of fun. And that's one
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: of my favorite pictures. But anyway, so I started ordering
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: the other guns. But they told me, they said, will,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: we don't have plans to ever make a four ten
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: or a twenty eight and I hammerd gun with ejectors.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: We just don't even have the plans for it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, start working, because I'm going to
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: order them. If you want the money, yeah, I'm going
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: to order them. And so over time they finally decided
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: to build the four ten. They built ten. They only
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: built ten, huh Gordy's in Houston, about five of them.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Four of them were bought at the SCI Show, and
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: one of them's mine. Mine's the only one that's different.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I have modified beavertail and mine have a special bird
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: engraved on each gun. And so I ordered that gun,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and then I ordered the twenty eight. The twenty eight
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: is the only twenty eight in existence. It's a twenty
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: eight gauge Hamry gun with ejectors. It's it's my favorite
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: upland gun. And the four to ten costs two hundred
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: and ninety five thousand dollars. God, and it is there,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and they're beautiful and they're exquisite and when you close them,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: they go because they're they're so tight. I was in
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Arizona hunting with my twenty eight, and I don't know how,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden shot reloading the gun and it
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't close, and I went, oh my gosh, what is
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: going on? The gun would not close, and I didn't
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: want to force it. So I'm looking at it. A
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: piece of sand had gotten into the breach.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: That's how tight it is.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: That's how tight it is. I blew out, that's saying.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: And so I just the guns are just a joy
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: to shoot, there's a joy to handle. Of course they're
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: all fit to me, you know, made measure much for me.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But when we when we did the initial gathering of information,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: all these conservation groups, the Congression of Sportsman's Foundation du
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: rm F, NWTF and Coiling Pheasants came to my home
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: in Mississippi and we took them out to a real
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: nice sporting range that have atlease h l i Ce.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Some people call them zz bird targets there.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not tracking what you mean by that.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Haalise is a as as a target with two
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: fan blades on it and so it's out in a
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: box and you. It starts spinning when you when you
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: say I'm ready the target. There are five album So
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: there's five boxes with five spinning fans with a target
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: in the center. And so when you say pull, one
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: of those is going to go and you don't know.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: What you want?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I got you and one it was gonna pigeons. Clay
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: pigeon is going to drop into one of those fans
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: and spit it out.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: But it's already there. It's not a clay pigeon. It's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: a plastic pigeon. It's a plastic clayton and it's made
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: do mimic box pigeon shooting, which started in Europe when
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: they used to that was the big shooting event.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I'm back to not understanding what's it called healase.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: H E L I c E or zz bird.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Is it dumb that I don't know this? No?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, A lot of people don't know about it, okay,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I mean police. It's a specialized discipline of shooting and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: it's a big competition. The world championship this year is
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: in Italy. Last year I think it was in Cyprus, Greece.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: So anyway, you say pull and one of those five
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: targets is going to go. It's gonna that. You don't
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: know whether it's going to go straight up the fan.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: The machine is oscillating, so they might go straight up,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: straight away, straight left, straight right. It's crazy what it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: can do. And so you're sitting there ready and your
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: eyes have to be blended over the five targets. So
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: when one of them goes, you got to go to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: it and kill it. So we lined up all five
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of the conservation group four, ten, twenty eight, twenty sixteen,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: and twelve, and we made all the targets go one
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: at a time, one, two, three, four or five. Nobody
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: missed and it was just beautiful, really, yeah, seeing everybody
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: shoot those guns and enjoy them. And so that was
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: kind of one of the scenes. You'll you probably can
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: see that on that The Truth About Conservation site. Probably
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: that's probably a video of that on there. God, but
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the whole effort here was to engage these conservation groups.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Well you got back up, I'm not done hearing about
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. When you were accumulating them, were you
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: thinking to yourself and someday I'll give them all the way.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was going to do I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: felt like I could find some way to help raise
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: money for the hunting and fishing community. I just didn't
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: know what it was going to be. And so as
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I would attend the decks a limited convention or the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: National Wald Turkey Federation convention, I would find the philanthropy
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: organized people who accept money and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: and I say, look, I got these set of guns.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I would like to give them away to conservation. I'm
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to do that, and I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: want these groups to share in the money. These are
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: people who've been a part of my life. The RMF
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: is such an incredible organization and it's done so much
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: for my life. And the National Wild Ticket Federation and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Ducks and Limit and quail and pheasants, I mean, they
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: are just incredible organizations. And the Congressional Sportsmans Foundations who
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: protects our hunting and fishing and trapping rights at the local,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: state and federal level. I mean, how can I do
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: something to give back and thank them for what they've
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: done to help protect those rights and to help grow
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: other people being associated with hunting and fishing and trapping.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: And so one day this Congressional Sportsment Foundation call me,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: and they said, look, we got this campaign. It's not
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Hunt Fish listen, it's I hunt, I Fish, I vote go.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And they said, we want you to be a part
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: of this campaign. I said, look, that's fine, I'll do that.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I'll do it here.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: We mean too.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not really interested in being a poster boy, but
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I will. I said, but I've got these guns. How
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: can we leverage these guns? How can I cause a
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: ripple effect? How can I throw a little pebble into
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: a perfectly still body of water and have it become
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: a wave? Those are my words. And I was talking
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: to a lady named Corin Johann. She was the director
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: of marketing. She's no longer there, but she says, let's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: think about it. Let me talk to Jeff Crane, the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: head of Congressional Sportsman, and to Kevin Perry, and listen,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: let me see what do we can come with her.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: She calls him back. She goes, so you want to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: give us these guns, and then we think we can
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: auction them and all the money and the proceeds, and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: well you'll have to have them a praise and anything
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: over a praise value will can be written off because
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: they're going to go to all five O one see
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: for the public companies, and so that's how all came about.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: And that's what we did. We created the campaign articles
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: in all these magazines alerting everybody so some hopefully some
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: guy that's got a real niceness day who wants to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: give back to conservation will pay more than their than
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: they're a praise value.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Are you guys being public about the praise value? Is
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: there a minimum?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know how. Buck Island is the auction house.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: They auction off the finest guns in the world, and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: we chose them because there is a.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: That's where we bought that punk gun from.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we met those guys at at pheasant Fest this
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: year and are quail classic and we ran through the hole.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: In Kansas City. Yeah, did you see the primost guns?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I was telling you earlier. I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: personally just enjoy the fact that the sixteen gauge is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: noticeably well worn.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: I'm guilty. Yeah, yeah, the sixth thing has a little
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: more wear on it than the other ones.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Well, to me, it makes it all more valuable because you're,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: you know, just like anything in these days, if you
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: can buy whatever, but if that thing has a story. Yeah,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: it can be a lot more valuable. Yeah, And and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: so the whole set kind of has that like it
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: is like fine fine stuff. Anybody can see that. You're like,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: this is something that is set apart by craftsmanship. Yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: and there's there's a couple of those guns don't look
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: like they've been touched at all, but I'm sure they've
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: been cleaned. And yeah, but the sixteen has been because
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I think you put extra swivel studs in there and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had swivel studs put on the sixteen
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: because it's my duck gun. When I'm putting out the decoys,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: I slinging on my shoulder a little, did I know,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I'm scratching it and back there was suspender spender buckles
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: and yeah, you know, anyway, I had to have it,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of touched up.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the Rock Island folks, so they have a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: whole Uh, it's online. I'm sure I haven't looked at
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: it online, but I have a big catalog in the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: whole collection, and.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: And there is.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: We should look it up right now. But there is
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: an appraisal price that has been posted.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: So the gun the guns cost about a million one
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: and they have praised for eight hundred because they are
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: they are used. Oh I see, anything anything that's paid
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: over the a praise value can be written off.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Right, But those guns, no matter who they belong to,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: typically go for over a praise value.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those those parties do. I mean they're a major.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But there will never ever be another set. So
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Rock Island went to London and interviewed Nick Carlo, who
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: is the curator of the London Guns World, and he
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: sits right there and says, this will never ever be
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: never been done and will never be done not again. Yeah,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: one of a kind one up again.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: So anyway, so you know, you you go and you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: think about what what somebody can do. So what I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: want is for other people also to think. Other people
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: have things that they've acquired in life.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that are valuable. I'm touching one right here, buddy.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Nobody want Nobody wants your cash or moonshine. I may
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: want something for some bait. I may want that. No
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: telling what you catch. But anyway, so other people hopefully
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: will start a ripple effect in that way, yep, that
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: other people can think, well you know I've got I've
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: got this beautiful painting or I've got this gun, or
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I got this and I'd like to give it to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Congressional I mean, they are working their butts off, like
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: the Colorado Initiative to stop all the anti hunting stuff.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, if they don't get on the front
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: end of it and provide the money and the resources
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: and tap into all the people that they have access
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: to to tell the story, we're gonna lose.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Hit Hit me with a couple more details, just just
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: for folks listening the auction. What are the the what
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: is it a specific Sorry, having a hard time communicating.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Is it like a specific moment?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: December fifth of December seventh?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Okay? The parties like you got to have like so
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it's not like open for a long bid process that
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: like it's a four sky our bid.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's go start and then it'll probably be the fifth,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: the fifth, sixth, and seven. It'll probably be the fifth
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: and sixth. They haven't neared that window down. I'll be
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: there for the option. Well you will in Dallas, ye,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: my wife and I will.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Man, I gotta check what I got going on.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Seventh is Pearl Harbor.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: It's an auspicious day, Yeah, really that's pretty exciting, man, Yeah,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: And and you know, I just can't say enough about
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: these organizations and what they've gone to bat for us
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: and all of us hunters and fishermen and trappers and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and if we can do something, we should.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: That's generous of you, man, That's that's real admirable. Sounds
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: like such a cool collection too.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, after I I got the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: twenty eight, you know, my wife was looking at the order.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really expensive, and we were she said,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Junichor that's a really fancy
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: jewelry store in town. I went, I said, okay, and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: she goes, I'm really looking at a really nice ring.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I said, you can't catch me.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. So December is coming up. We'll remind people as
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: we go along. But in December, the collection it's called
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: the Primost Guns Like, what's the what's the sort of.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Slang Will Primost Party collection?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I guess so will I like that, the Will Primost
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: party collection. The Will Primost Party Collection will go and
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: then though that money will be divided uh by five
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: conservation organizations. The Will Primost has identified as having changed his.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Life his life changed, many of our lives changed, many
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: of our lives. And Rock Island there is a buyer's
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: commission and a seller's commission, and they have forgiven the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: seller's commission, which is going to be hundreds of thousand dollars.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: They've given that back already. So we're already own a
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: role here raising money with this deal. M hm.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Has anyone reached out to you yet to tell you, like,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be there and I'm bidden.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: I've had several people say I'm really interested. Okay, you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: think they're serious. Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: No, one's tried to pre empt.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Not that I know of, and I don't know how
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: they do that.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, got it, got it. Lastly, Steward Link. I hadn't
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: heard about this.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So steward Link is stewardlink dot com. It is
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: a group of tremendous adronomist forsters, people that have all
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: the degrees and all the certifications for writing conservation programs.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of these people are former National Resource Conservation
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Service in ours part of the US Department of Agriculture
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: office that have come together. Just like a CPA represents
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: you to the irs, the people at stewart Link represent
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: the steward of the land, the person who owns the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: land in pharmacy or the person who leases in the farming.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: They're the steward that ever controls the land and they
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: represent them and help them access the government programs, which.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Is probably like a byzantine structure that's hard to navigate.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: And there's all kinds of issues with it. Everything's ranked.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: So when you the Contravation Stewardship Program CSP program, If
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: you apply for the for a Contravation Stewardship program and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: you apply, everybody in here applies. We all have five
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: hundred acres, thousand akres, two and fifty acres. We get
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: ranked who has the most opportunity to put the most
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: conservation on the ground. But I hired Stewart Link, and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Stewart Link knew that if they would write certain plans.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: These are these activity plans, Conservation Activity Plans, Conservation Activity
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: c AP CAT plan. I think the name that academ
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: may have changed recently with they are changing stuff all
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: the time. But anyway, these plans, the plans were written
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: for me. For mine, I was going to do a
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: nutrient plan, ok. I was going to do a water
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: controvation plan, a variable rate pesticide plan, a variable rate
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: fertilizer plan. And I had all these plans written and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: didn't cost me a penny, and that's part of my application.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: And I ranked the highs and I got the forward
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: one thousand dollars.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, a big, big problem, right is you have producers, farmers,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: ranchers that are working sixteen hour days and then in
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: order to understand this stuff apply for it, have the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: back and forth that takes a hell of a lot
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: of time to at the back end of that day. Yeah,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: and there's huge, huge bottlenecks in these systems.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: And the n r CS employees there's there's right here
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: on Main Street and both of them, there's in our
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: CS office. Those people are great, but there's only so
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: many hours in the day, and you know, and there's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: so many there's these plans. Mississippi, because we're in Mississippi's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: where we started. It's number one in CSP, it's the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: number one state in all the country. We went to California,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: the whole state of California had only four CSP prands
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: that have ever been approved.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: MM.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: So now we're going to New We're in where New York,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Indiana Ohio. We've got employees in those states and we're
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: constantly meeting with farmers and helping them understand what's available.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Let's say, just help me out. So I'm a farmer
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: in give me a state where you guys were, Wisconsin. Okay,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a farmer Wisconsin, and I have a thousand acres
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: and and I want to know even just what is
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: available for conservation funding from my land. That's correct. That's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the first step is call and be like, I'm managing
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: a thousand acres for my family.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: It's located in this county. Here's my farm number. We
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: can access to all that and look at everything and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: give you the information, and you don't have to hires.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: If we can help you, we will help you.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: That's and that would be like questions like should I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: put stuff in CRP? Is there a way that I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: should be categorizing portions of my land for the tax
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: structures or whatever?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly? I mean, it's just a tremendous amount of opportunity fornice.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Let's say you've got a piece of land and next
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: to you it's a piece of land that's got wr
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: E Waterfowl Reserve. He's been on it which was a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: former you know, wetlands Protection plan and it was planted
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: trees and you it borders you, and you want to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: put it on yours. Well, guess what, you already rank
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: higher than most because you border apart already has Oh god,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: so we know that. So we oh, we need to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: focus on this. And then there's equal there's equip. You've
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: got a piece of land you're you're in Montana and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit rolling and you don't have any
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: money or barely making it trying to grow weed or whatever.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: You're doing familiar, but you need to level that land.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: If you could level it and you could irrigate it
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: a different way and so that all the water would
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: flow correctly, slowly and maximize the water that you have
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: some water, but you need more. Da da da da.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: We can write you an equip plan and the government
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: will come in and give you money to level that land,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: to move the dirt and to make.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: It and then so on the implementation side of things
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: is that is that where folks start cutting cutting checks
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: to Steward Steward Link.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Just you don't you don't pay Stuart Link a dime
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: unless you get approved for a program nice, and then
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: you don't pay. You don't pay Stuart Link a dime
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: until you get the money. Let's say you qualified, and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: you might. You've qualified for a four and a thousand
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: dollars prob you get the you get the program, you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: pay Steward Link typically twenty percent. You get the money,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: then you write them a check. Yep, cool, So you
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: don't you don't spend anything.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far into the details here,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: but does that twenty percent that's got to come out
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: of pocket though, because you got to put the grant
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: on the ground.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: You're not paying the twenty percent until you get the money.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: That means you've got it, and it's happening.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: But let's say I. Let's say okay, let's say I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: apply and I get one hundred dollars, and the assumption
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: is I'm gonna take the hundred dollars and put the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars onto the land to the program.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: They're gonna pay the money. It's all. It's all under
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: You've got to do what's supposed to be done.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm saying, so I got to go find
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the twenty dollars because I'd taken one hundred. I got
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: to go find twenty dollars somewhere else for steward.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah that or you take it out of that.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Oh so that's what I'm saying. There is a way
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: to get it out of that. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: because that was part of implementation.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of it. It's part of the plan
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: to implement all the things, and we will help monitor
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: to make sure you're doing you're part of the game
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: because you're not just going to get this money and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: not do it. You've got to spend the money in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: the right place.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: You talk about like implementation. There's a funny story where
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I got a buddy that had a he's got his
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: land in CRP. The CRP program, it's you know, it's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: strict right what you're doing, don't do well. They had
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: a deer blind set on a hay wagon and one
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: day he was told, hey, you got farm equipment on
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: the CRP. He's like, no, we don't. He realized it
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: was a blind on a hay wagon and they were
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: just look when they do they like drive by and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: look and he's like, oh, wow, you're right. They moved
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: they moved away. You've got to do It's like dudes
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: come by and they like, see what's going on that
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: you can get You can get dinged.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: You got to do what you're supposed to do to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: implement the program properly, to put conservation on the ground.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Everything flows downstream. If we use less fertilizer, could we
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: variable rate it rather than just broadcasting everywhere, then we're
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: sending less nitrogen, less less nutrients downstream, which over blooms
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: stuff and screws up the creeks. So there's a reason
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, man. And anything else you want to anything
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: else you need to tell us about from from uh
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: will Primo's land.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Something that's kind of funny. So this this this place
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: in Virginia called the Homestead.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's old.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Oh the first US Open sporty Clay Championship was hell there.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: It's in Hot Springs, Virginia. If I got the city
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: creg and they contacted me about the gun giveaway, and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: they said, we want to do something to help you
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: with that deal. We want to attract more people. And
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, what you want to do said we
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: want to have a shoot and we want to call
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: it the Will Primos Invitational huh. That kind of made
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: me laugh. I said, okay, do you have to shoot
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: very good if you enter this thing. So that's happening,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: that's coming up in July, and it's going to be
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: an exclusive set of people who are interested in bidding
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: on the guns that are coming.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Can people go get on the list?
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: You get, Yeah, you pay, and so much of the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: proceeds to be a part of this exclusive omni resort
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: dinner meals shooting goes to the Congressional Sportsmans Foundation.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so if someone is kicking the idea around getting
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: ready for a bid in December and they want to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: experience the guns, here's.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: The guns are going to be there.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's an opportunity to show up. And yeah,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: here's an opportunity to show up, and.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: It will give you the hard sell personally.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I might even
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: let somebody shoot one of the guns that that if that,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: if insurance will cover it?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Are they already out of your name? They're not in
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: your name anymore.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: They're in the Congressional Sports Town that name, gotcha, gotcha?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: And Rock Island carries the insurance.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Where do they sit right now?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Right now? They're in Baltimore, Maryland at the du President's Convention. Okay,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: they're being shown.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Right, so they're on the road.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just like they were at yeah, at the city.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know the Rock Island Boys were telling
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: me that the part of the reason for going to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: party and talking with was to figure out what the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: insurance price needs to be, h what what type of
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: coverage they need to have. And it's a heck of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: a lot more than eight hundred thousand.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: The Rock Island Boys sounds like something if you're reading
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: about the Civil War. Yeah, it's like someone that took
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: the backside of the hill oft Antietam or something.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan, one of the odors of Rock Out. They're
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: incredible people. They're great conservations.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Okay, that's good to know they're they're
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: for us. Good. All right, man, Well, thanks for coming on.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Man, it's awesome to be with you. You are nuts. I'm
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: gona tell you what that castor and moosh. You know.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I've often said I got a problem where like I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I like if I bring this up all time, but
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: like if someone's telling me about a health problem, I'll
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: start feeling like I got the health problem. Do you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Someone's like, oh, you know my
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: uncle had to stickular cancer. I'll get like a terrible ache.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: It's just and now I've gotten my head like, I'm like, well,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: what would happen if you drank a little bit of that?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say, now, if you just
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: take a finger, uh moonshine cast or here's what ails you.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you that that stuff has such a unique
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: you need to I mean you need patent it or something.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some commercial application. I'm not sure what it is.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I was wondering if the lights went out, if
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: we could just light it on fire, and the.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Great candle Man, Yeah, next time you come out, we'll
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: have a plan for that job. Phil, cover your ears.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Phil, y'all awesome.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Everybody will, Primos, thank you
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: very much