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The Lee Elci Show | 9.18.26 · The Lee Elci Show

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  Speaker 1: By welcoming you to the Lee Eltsy Show. Hey Lee,
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  Speaker 1: am I actually on the Lee Eltsy Show?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and that opening was just about as good as
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  Speaker 2: Hendrix at Woodstock, which was kind of a travesty chosen
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  Speaker 2: by me. But today we're talking about from Camelot to Woodstock.
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  Speaker 2: If you know your history, you've lived this history, We
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  Speaker 2: were an optimistic nation in 1961 when John Kennedy was elected.
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  Speaker 1: He had a beautiful young wife, a lovely young family.
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  Speaker 1: There was hope and optimism.
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  Speaker 2: He had been a war hero. And that's Camelot. And
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  Speaker 2: the play Camelot was out. Everything felt great. Kennedy was assassinated,
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  Speaker 2: as we know, in 1963. Camelot ended on November 22, 1963.
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  Speaker 2: And on August 15, 1969, we had Woodstock with Jimi Hendrix,
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  Speaker 2: former Air Force airman James Hendrix. who played that national
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  Speaker 2: anthem for a large and loud crowd, and you notice
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  Speaker 2: how he had the sound of bombs and other kinds
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  Speaker 2: of suggestions in that music, a little hard on the ears.
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  Speaker 1: But what was the main difference?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why did we have this big change after
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy's assassination? Throughout history, we've had a lot of assassinations,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we can go back to ancient Egypt. King Tut,
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows about him, but they may not know he
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  Speaker 2: was assassinated along with two of his family members. You
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  Speaker 2: have the rebels who beheaded Charles I in World War II.
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  Speaker 2: One started because of the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand.
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  Speaker 2: So this isn't unusual. What was really different about the
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination?
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  Speaker 1: It was for the first.
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  Speaker 2: Time when we realized, or we would eventually realize, that
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  Speaker 2: there was a soft coup in America. Now, some people
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  Speaker 2: may still believe the Oswald story. There's certainly a museum
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  Speaker 2: in Dealey Plaza in Dallas that is a monument to
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  Speaker 2: the Oswald story. But that pretty much has been debunked.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a Kennedy assassination scholar. I was never interested.
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  Speaker 1: In this story.
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  Speaker 2: I always knew that my family had been involved with Oswald,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll explain that. That sounds pretty sinister. But I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really interested in the story, and my father had asked.
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  Speaker 1: Me not to talk about my aunt.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, when the pictures that I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go through were declassified about 2020— then it's now a
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  Speaker 2: different story.
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  Speaker 1: It's out there for people to see.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm really talking about today is a family story,
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  Speaker 2: a family story that I need to give you.
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  Speaker 1: Some background to. How did I learn about this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, my grandmother one day mentioned to us that my
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  Speaker 2: uncle Loren, L-O-R-E-N, and the spelling is pretty important, Hyde,
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  Speaker 2: and his wife Marie were in Russia. Khrushchev had been
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  Speaker 2: promising to bury us. there was a very, very cold
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  Speaker 2: war going on that almost broke out into a hot
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  Speaker 2: war in.
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  Speaker 1: Cuba with the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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  Speaker 2: So this was shocking to me, even though I was
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  Speaker 2: a young child. This was pretty shocking to me when
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  Speaker 2: she told us this. And we asked why she went
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  Speaker 2: and why they went. And there was some sort of
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  Speaker 2: conference that my uncle went to, And my aunt was
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  Speaker 2: in a special visiting other countries group. We didn't ask
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  Speaker 2: too many questions. We came from a family that didn't
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  Speaker 2: ask many questions about people's work. So after that, Kennedy
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  Speaker 2: was assassinated.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me back up.
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  Speaker 2: This is a very complicated story. My father was in
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  Speaker 2: Korea in 6263. He was in the communications center for
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  Speaker 2: the American Army in Seoul, Korea. And as an aside story,
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  Speaker 2: he told me shortly before he died, because he was
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  Speaker 2: handling the communications coming in during the Cuban Missile Crisis,
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  Speaker 2: and he said, you know, you and your whole family
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  Speaker 2: on your mother's side, just about the whole family, were
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  Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Near Fort Mac, and I knew.
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  Speaker 2: That you were going, if those missiles were launched, you
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  Speaker 2: were all going to be killed. And I knew the
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  Speaker 2: North Koreans and the Chinese were going to come into
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  Speaker 2: South Korea, and he'd already seen the North Koreans come
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  Speaker 2: in in 1951, 50. He was there the first year.
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  Speaker 2: He said, and I knew I was going to die fighting.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very tense time. And he said the
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  Speaker 2: stand down order did not come, as they say on
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  Speaker 2: the news, minutes before the launches.
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  Speaker 1: It was seconds.
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  Speaker 2: And my dad went over there with some salt and
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  Speaker 2: pepper hair and came back gray. And we have the
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  Speaker 2: military took a picture of him in front of the
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  Speaker 2: sign for the communication center in Seoul. which, as another aside,
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  Speaker 2: would be the communication center that we would use for
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  Speaker 2: communicating with the adoption agency to adopt my daughter from Seoul, Korea.
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  Speaker 1: So that's an aside.
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  Speaker 2: So my grandmother then told us that, hey, after the— I
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  Speaker 2: keep forgetting this story. We came from Korea. My father
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  Speaker 2: came from Korea. You're really going to have to forgive
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  Speaker 2: me on this one. This is complicated stuff. And my
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  Speaker 2: father wanted to go to Texas, take my mom to Texas,
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  Speaker 2: to Dallas, to see her sister who lived in Irving.
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  Speaker 2: So we went to Dallas, to Irving, and we were
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  Speaker 2: at a party with my aunt's friends. And a man
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  Speaker 2: from the helicopter factory was there. And he was telling people,
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  Speaker 2: I actually got, I'm a very nosy kid. I got up,
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  Speaker 2: and all my cousins will tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I was always with the adults listening to the stories.
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  Speaker 2: I got up out of the pool and I went
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  Speaker 2: over there to listen because my parents were upset. And
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  Speaker 2: this person was saying that Kennedy's going to be shot.
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  Speaker 2: And my parents were upset. My father was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they kept it to that.
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  Speaker 1: I knew they were upset.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone else did. And on the way home,
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  Speaker 2: my parents were talking about this. Everybody in Dallas, it
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  Speaker 2: seemed like, was saying— and this has been reported— that Kennedy came
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  Speaker 2: to Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: He was going to be shot.
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  Speaker 2: But people were saying, hey, this person who works at
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  Speaker 2: the helicopter factory is a person who's in the know.
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  Speaker 2: I assume my father reported that because of his clearances
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  Speaker 2: and his work. He was in what you would now
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  Speaker 2: call cybersecurity. You didn't know we had one back then,
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  Speaker 2: but we did. And that's what my father did in communications,
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  Speaker 2: was protecting those communications.
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  Speaker 1: So my parents were distressed. We went home.
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  Speaker 2: We settled into Jersey, where my father was teaching at
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  Speaker 2: the Signal School.
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  Speaker 1: At Fort Monmouth.
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  Speaker 2: And we came to visit my grandmother, and she said,
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  Speaker 2: she's pouring coffee for my father. Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the FBI visited Lauren and Marie. They had a picture
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  Speaker 2: of Oswald when they were in Russia. We're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's really interesting. And my father looked really, really stunned.
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  Speaker 2: And we didn't think too much about that. That was
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  Speaker 2: after the assassination. And we wondered about the pictures, which
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  Speaker 2: I am going to show you now.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about them.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it great to do pictures on radio, people? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so this is a picture in Minsk. Right here, this
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  Speaker 2: is my Aunt Marie. This is Svetlana, the guide, no
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  Speaker 2: doubt KGB guide. This is either Monica Kramer or Rita Naiman.
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  Speaker 2: These are two women my mother met over there. No,
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  Speaker 2: the other one's taking the picture.
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  Speaker 3: This is a.
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  Speaker 1: Driver, and this is Lee Harvey Oswald. Let me give
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  Speaker 1: you a blowup of that.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite clear that that is Lee Harvey Oswald over
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  Speaker 2: there getting his picture taken.
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  Speaker 1: With my aunt. Seems so innocent, doesn't it? Okay. So
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  Speaker 1: then my aunt took a picture. And here it is.
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  Speaker 1: And here's something interesting. Most people— I' m sorry, this is moving around.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a faded picture, but that's from the declassified record.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Lee Harvey Oswald. Notice a man here? What's his name?
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  Speaker 1: We still don't know.
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  Speaker 2: He's American. Lee Harvey and this other American Now, let's
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  Speaker 2: take another look at this picture.
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  Speaker 1: What do we have in here? We have very, very.
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  Speaker 2: Identifiable monuments. We have a car with a license plate.
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  Speaker 2: We have my aunt with Oswald. And we have the
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  Speaker 2: poor driver who may or may not have known what
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  Speaker 2: was going on. and a child that was the child
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  Speaker 2: or the grandson, I'm not sure which, or the son
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  Speaker 2: of the driver.
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  Speaker 1: And we have Lee Harvey Oswald.
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  Speaker 2: So this is not an innocent tourist picture. We've done place.
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  Speaker 2: It will be dated. We've done license plate for identity.
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  Speaker 2: We've done people, and we put Lee Harvey Oswald there.
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  Speaker 1: To document this meeting took place.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't seem all that innocent to me. So now let's
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  Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about how did this meeting
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  Speaker 2: come about?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. See, I told you it's complicated. How did this
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  Speaker 1: meeting come about?
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that very quickly. My aunt and my
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  Speaker 2: uncle were in Moscow. Some people say my uncle was
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  Speaker 2: not there, but he was. He was in Moscow because
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  Speaker 2: they told us. And there are other records that say
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  Speaker 2: he was there. She decided to break off with these
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  Speaker 2: two women she never met before. and go with them
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  Speaker 2: to Minsk. Now, in Russia at that time, you didn't
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  Speaker 2: just run around. You had your Svetlana with you. She
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  Speaker 2: goes to Minsk with them. They're saying, oh, she seemed
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  Speaker 2: to really know Russia very well. So she shows up,
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  Speaker 2: and Svetlana takes her around. Nobody questioned what she was
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  Speaker 2: doing running around Russia by herself.
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  Speaker 1: The guides allowed her to go.
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  Speaker 2: And also, when they first went, they went to the
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  Speaker 2: hotel room. And this is a very— this is sort of
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  Speaker 2: something that happened.
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  Speaker 1: And then they were told, guess what, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: go on a tour.
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  Speaker 2: And usually you go on that tour so they can
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  Speaker 2: toss your room and bug it, whatever they need to do,
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  Speaker 2: and get you out of the place, document you. And
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  Speaker 2: that appears to be what was going on. So— Oswald
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  Speaker 2: comes up and talks to them. There's another man that
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  Speaker 2: shows up, not just this man, but apparently another man,
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  Speaker 2: who goes into a store and Oswald follows him into
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  Speaker 2: the store and comes out.
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  Speaker 1: They're talking to each other. Supposedly, he wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about radios or records or something. It's not very
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  Speaker 2: clear to me about that. Then my aunt somehow finds
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  Speaker 2: my uncle and they just... drive out of Russia. They
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  Speaker 2: actually took a car, just drove out of Russia. CIA, FBI,
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  Speaker 2: nobody was particularly upset or interested in that, and they
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  Speaker 2: went back home. And then my grandmother tells me, oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, when you were in Dallas— Uncle Lauren
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  Speaker 2: and Aunt Marie were in Dallas and Irving, too, which
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  Speaker 2: was just down to the house, was just very near
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  Speaker 2: my mother's sister's house. And they were visiting their cousin,
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  Speaker 2: our cousin, and my father and I didn't know this cousin.
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  Speaker 2: And who did Oswald live with?
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  Speaker 1: Ruth Hyde Payne. Sometimes it's Payne's, sometimes it's Payne. She just...
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  Speaker 1: died last year.
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  Speaker 2: Oswald's living with our cousin. And that seems pretty significant
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  Speaker 2: to me. And then when Ruth is questioned by the police...
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  Speaker 2: It's a comedy to read the transcript as she pulls
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  Speaker 2: out a document in which she's documented every minute of
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  Speaker 2: everything she's ever said or done in the last several
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  Speaker 2: years and everywhere they went. And when the police interrupt her,
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  Speaker 2: she disciplines them and tells them to be quiet, nicely,
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  Speaker 2: but that she wants to finish her story.
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  Speaker 1: And that's it.
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  Speaker 2: My uncle, the various commissions looked for him. They could
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  Speaker 2: not find him because he spelled his name different, so
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  Speaker 2: they were looking for Lauren Loretta Marie Hyde. Neither my
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  Speaker 2: uncle nor my aunt appeared before any investigative body until today.
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  Speaker 2: We've got an investigator coming in. and never had to
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  Speaker 2: answer any questions if they did. That's never been declassified.
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  Speaker 2: If my father ever had to give any sort of
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  Speaker 2: report or was questioned, of course I would never know that,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not been declassified.
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't think that he was. So this was— okay.
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  Speaker 1: I now have to keep it short.
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  Speaker 2: And so I don't want to start a new topic
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  Speaker 2: with just a minute or so to go. But I
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  Speaker 2: want you to think about this. And then we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be joined by Greg Howard. And he's a crack investigator.
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  Speaker 2: He's looked over the material that I've given him. And again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not looking at, did he go to Cuba? Did
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  Speaker 2: he go to South America? Did Dave Ferry do this
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  Speaker 2: or that? That's not my my focus on this story.
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  Speaker 2: The focus is my family story. So we will get
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  Speaker 2: to that with Greg Howard.
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  Speaker 4: Ask every person if he's heard the story and tell
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  Speaker 4: it strong and clear if he has not. That once
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  Speaker 4: there was a fleeting wisp of glory.
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  Speaker 2: Camelot.
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  Speaker 5: Camelot. I know it is a person's voice.
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  Speaker 6: But in Camelot.
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  Speaker 7: Camelot.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jan from Eastline sitting in for Lee Elsey
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: on The Voice of Freedom, 94.9 News Now. You just
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: heard a crazy story, all documented, I might add. But
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: now we have Greg Howard coming on. He's a man
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that can handle the truth and can ask about the truth. So, Greg,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: what did you think of everything I told the audience?
• 24:34
  Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I missed part of it. I was getting
• 24:36
  Speaker 18: ready to.
• 24:36
  Speaker 16: Head into work. Were you talking about Lee Harvey Oswald?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: How about.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I also sent you material.
• 24:42
  Speaker 18: Yeah, I saw some of the stuff that you sent me.
• 24:44
  Speaker 16: Very interesting. I never really actually studied that assassination much.
• 24:49
  Speaker 16: Of course, you know, I learned about it in school
• 24:51
  Speaker 16: and learned about who Jack Ruby was and Lee Harvey Oswald,
• 24:53
  Speaker 16: but never really got too deep into.
• 24:57
  Speaker 19: You know.
• 24:58
  Speaker 16: In police work, the grassy knoll is always a... you know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 16: a running sort of joke, if you will, for lack
• 25:06
  Speaker 16: of a better term, in police work when we're talking about,
• 25:09
  Speaker 16: you know, something that was unforeseen or that we have
• 25:12
  Speaker 16: yet to uncover. So it's something that we do talk about,
• 25:14
  Speaker 16: but I never really dug that deep into it until
• 25:16
  Speaker 16: I read what you sent me.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I had gone over pictures of my aunt with
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Oswald in Russia.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: She met him there.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: My uncle was there, and they discussed family history. But
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's a convoluted history, but now that you mention the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: grassy knoll, have you ever been to Dealey Plaza?
• 25:42
  Speaker 16: I have not.
• 25:43
  Speaker 18: I've actually, you know, I've never been down there.
• 25:46
  Speaker 20: I was in Dallas.
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: Many, many years ago. I did a ride-along with the
• 25:54
  Speaker 16: Fort Worth Police Department, and I'm just trying to see
• 25:58
  Speaker 16: how police work was done in other states.
• 25:59
  Speaker 20: This is probably.
• 26:00
  Speaker 16: 2012, 2013, and the officer took me over to the
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: hospital where JFK was brought in. And he said, you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 16: this is where JFK was brought in. And it was
• 26:11
  Speaker 16: sort of the real moment. Sitting there, imagine what the
• 26:14
  Speaker 16: chaos was that day, you know, as a perfect partner myself,
• 26:18
  Speaker 16: you know, the president being shot and being pulled in
• 26:21
  Speaker 16: there and what that must have been like. But yeah,
• 26:23
  Speaker 16: I've never actually been down at Daily Plaza.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Well, as a police officer, if you went, you would
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: be shocked that You know, the route had been changed,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that the FBI Secret Service allowed him to go down
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: this route because he's on the route, he's going straight ahead,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: he's going to take a left and then go under
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: an overpass. That plaza is so small. It's unbelievable. You've
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: got a shot from the overpass. Behind the grassy knoll,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: there was a fence, but there's still a rail yard
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: there where you could just jump a train right there,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: or I believe cars were parked right there. There were
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: high-rise buildings all around, and there were kill shots from
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of directions. And I mean, the one-bullet theory...
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable that that would happen.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And I think the Magruder film proved that. I just
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: know the basics of the story. But when I went there,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I've been there.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: A couple of times. I have family in Dallas. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was just stunned.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Obviously, I went there as an adult, having worked on
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: military topics and growing up with my father in the military,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: married into the military, worked in the military field. world
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: um that anybody could ever believe that the secret service
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: allowed him to take that route.
• 28:00
  Speaker 16: Yeah i don't is what was there um what was
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: the other route that that was planned i guess i
• 28:06
  Speaker 16: missed that part of it where uh where they change
• 28:09
  Speaker 16: it to is the other one have less sort of
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: um opportunity for hitmen and stuff like that?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know the other route.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Like I was explaining to people, I do know a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: bit about the assassination for obvious reasons, but I don't
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: get into all the debates, etc.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: One of the things that I always, and again, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 16: haven't studied that particular case that much, but I always
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: caution people, especially when you know the outcome of something, right?
• 28:39
  Speaker 16: If you go to Pennsylvania when Trump was shot as
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: a more recent incident, more recent incident that's been highly
• 28:45
  Speaker 16: talked about, and folks talk about the failures of the.
• 28:48
  Speaker 18: Communication between the Secret Service and local PD and what.
• 28:52
  Speaker 18: But one thing that I think folks have to recognize,
• 28:54
  Speaker 18: and I think many people don't, is police.
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: Officers, I mean, thousands of calls will come in in
• 28:59
  Speaker 16: Connecticut alone today of a suspicious person that turns out
• 29:03
  Speaker 16: to be nothing. Now, I never suggest that complacency is acceptable,
• 29:08
  Speaker 16: but I just get to put things into context that
• 29:11
  Speaker 16: You know, we saw this a lot right at the
• 29:13
  Speaker 16: beginning of my career, right after 9-11, when, you know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 16: Connecticut went on their big, if you see something, say
• 29:20
  Speaker 16: something campaign. And when that happened, police officers and police
• 29:23
  Speaker 16: departments around the state were getting, you know, high-volume calls over.
• 29:28
  Speaker 16: I remember one specifically where a cable company guy was working,
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: and he put his box down, you know, a big
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: cardboard box that had a roll of cable, coax cable,
• 29:38
  Speaker 16: uh which i don't think they use anymore he's by
• 29:39
  Speaker 16: topic now but coax cable.
• 29:41
  Speaker 18: Sitting in and a little bit hanging out he's standing there.
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: With his truck and we had somebody call in and
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: say they think this is a bomb you know and
• 29:47
  Speaker 16: it's when you have those sort of consistent uh calls
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: for concern that are you know just everyday life you
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: know you you don't I guess respond to him with
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: as much seriousness as maybe we could. But it's a
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: human nature, I think. And I also think, too, when
• 30:07
  Speaker 16: you're looking at something with a certain eye, and this
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: is something that we caught the investigators on. If you
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: haven't ever seen it, there's a YouTube video, and I'm
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: going to ruin it here, but there's a YouTube video
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: where there's a bunch of kids wearing white T-shirts and
• 30:25
  Speaker 16: black T-shirts. and they're passing a ball back and forth.
• 30:30
  Speaker 16: And the video, the person who throws it to you
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: instructs you to count the number of times somebody in
• 30:36
  Speaker 16: a white.
• 30:37
  Speaker 18: T-shirt throws the ball. And so you're doing that, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 18: you're watching, and because that's what you're looking for, you're
• 30:43
  Speaker 18: largely ignoring the guys in the black T-shirt or the
• 30:46
  Speaker 18: kids in the black T-shirt. Well, in the middle of it,
• 30:49
  Speaker 18: a guy in.
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: An ape costume comes walking across the screen, stops, beats
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: his chest, and continues walking on. And most people don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: even see the guy because they're so focused on the
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: white t-shirt, they don't even notice the black gorilla costume.
• 31:07
  Speaker 16: And we show this to investigators to make sure that
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: they don't get what we call tunnel vision, where you're
• 31:10
  Speaker 16: funneled in, looking at one suspect.
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: One outcome, one reconstruction, one conclusion, in the ignorance.
• 31:19
  Speaker 21: Of all others.
• 31:20
  Speaker 18: And that's why we show that to them.
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: Because it's just the human nature when you're looking at
• 31:25
  Speaker 16: for a specific thing you won't notice other obvious things
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: like in that case an ape walking across the screen.
• 31:30
  Speaker 18: So anytime that we look at and we you know.
• 31:34
  Speaker 16: We look back and we try to debrief you know
• 31:36
  Speaker 16: whether it's Pennsylvania or anything I always caution folks you
• 31:39
  Speaker 16: know when you're looking at something knowing the outcome um
• 31:44
  Speaker 16: is very easy to narrow in on certain things that
• 31:46
  Speaker 16: makes sense what I'm trying to say Oh.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen that film, too. So let me ask
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you a question, though, with the information that I gave here.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You know very well that Russia was locked down, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Minsk happened to be locked down especially tight. That's where
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the pictures were taken. And yet my aunt just shows
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: up in Minsk from Moscow. Nobody really knows how she
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: got there exactly. Mm-hmm. And she gets a picture taken
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: with Oswald. There's another American in one of the pictures.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And then she and my uncle just drive out of Russia,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and nobody says anything. Government's not particularly concerned. They don't
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: show up at her door. The FBI comes after the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: assassination to get the picture of Oswald. They never appear
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: before any commission.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 32:45
  Speaker 18: So the FBI interviewed your.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Aunt, though?
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: There's no record of that interview. There's just a notation.
• 32:58
  Speaker 16: Well, I guess the fascinating part to me would be,
• 33:01
  Speaker 16: you know, how would they know? I mean, you're talking
• 33:06
  Speaker 16: the 60s, right?
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: So the.
• 33:08
  Speaker 16: how would they have known that that picture existed? I mean,
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: it's not like there's– I don't think it was posted
• 33:12
  Speaker 16: on Facebook in the 1960s, right? No, or any social
• 33:16
  Speaker 16: media since the Internet didn't exist yet. But it would
• 33:19
  Speaker 16: be interesting. To me, I'd be interested as an investigator
• 33:23
  Speaker 16: to know, okay, well, what brought the FBI to her house?
• 33:26
  Speaker 16: How did they know about that picture?
• 33:28
  Speaker 13: Exactly.
• 33:29
  Speaker 16: That would be question number one. If you're talking about
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: a picture.
• 33:33
  Speaker 18: That was taken halfway around the world, You know, again, in.
• 33:36
  Speaker 16: The 1960s, the only way to see a picture would
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: be to hand it to somebody. There was no texting
• 33:42
  Speaker 16: pictures then. There was no social media. I mean, there
• 33:45
  Speaker 16: was TV in most houses, in many houses had TV. But,
• 33:49
  Speaker 16: you know, it's not like pictures are being posted to TV.
• 33:51
  Speaker 16: And even then, the only way that would happen, the
• 33:53
  Speaker 16: reporter would have to have hands on it. There was
• 33:55
  Speaker 16: no other way of sending things. The only way you
• 33:57
  Speaker 16: could send something to somebody was to hand it to
• 33:59
  Speaker 16: them or put it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: In the U.S. mail. That was it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 22: Right.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And at the time, when you came out of Russia,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you had to have a meeting with the CIA.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: There's no record of that meeting.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Oh, really?
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: I didn't even know that.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: That's interesting, too.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 16: So did you know how your aunt knew Oswald or
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: how that picture came to be?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm guessing.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: You may have heard that Oswald then lived with our
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: cousin in Dallas when he supposedly— when he supposedly shot
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Kennedy and then just sat down and drank a Coke
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and walked out of the building, not expecting anything to happen.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But anyway, lived with her cousin, and my aunt and
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: uncle had been to visit that cousin, who coincidentally lived
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: fairly near my mother's family, who didn't.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Know anything about them. And we had been there. You
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: probably heard that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Makes my father look kind of bad, but I don't
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: think my dad was involved. He continued to have a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: high-level job.
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: You mentioned that he drank a Coke, and this is
• 35:17
  Speaker 16: another thing that, you know, again, I say this because,
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: you know, for the law enforcement officer to listen, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: don't know exactly what I'm talking about, but.
• 35:25
  Speaker 20: The public only.
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: Hears about less than 1% of the incidents that police
• 35:34
  Speaker 16: deal with. And I think that that's an important thing
• 35:37
  Speaker 16: to remember because when your perception is a certain thing, right?
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: So if all you see is one half of 1%
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: of what the police do, your natural assumption would be
• 35:50
  Speaker 16: that's how it is all the time. And it's not
• 35:52
  Speaker 16: the case. And to make that point, I always talk
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: about this. When my oldest son was about two or
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: three years old, he was in the back of our car.
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: He and I were, you know, I was off duty.
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: We were riding around, you know, wherever we were going.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: I don't remember.
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: And we pulled in next to one of my police officers, Ali,
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: and just said hello, you know, whatever. And my son was,
• 36:14
  Speaker 16: you know, barely talking, two or three years old.
• 36:17
  Speaker 18: And you have to remember, at the time I was
• 36:19
  Speaker 18: in K-9, and when my boys were born, I had
• 36:21
  Speaker 18: my partner, and that's what they knew.
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: So, We talked to the officer. We pull away.
• 36:28
  Speaker 18: And Nathan says, Daddy, where's his dog?
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: I said, well, he doesn't have a dog.
• 36:32
  Speaker 18: And he goes, a policeman without a dog?
• 36:34
  Speaker 23: That's crazy.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 36:36
  Speaker 16: Because that's what he is.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I agree with him, by the way.
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: Daddy's a policeman. He takes his car and his dog
• 36:42
  Speaker 16: and he goes to work in his little world. That
• 36:44
  Speaker 16: must be what all police officers do because, again, that's
• 36:46
  Speaker 16: all he had seen.
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: Right?
• 36:48
  Speaker 16: And I bring that into drinking the Coke. There's a
• 36:52
  Speaker 16: lot of videos out there and a lot of experiences.
• 36:55
  Speaker 16: One comes to mind where a guy was arrested sitting
• 36:59
  Speaker 16: in a booking room, not locally, not here in Connecticut,
• 37:02
  Speaker 16: but sitting in a booking room, and nobody properly searched him,
• 37:07
  Speaker 16: and he's got a gun on him. And the detective
• 37:09
  Speaker 16: comes in to interview him, and before he does, before
• 37:13
  Speaker 16: the detective walks in, the suspect who was under arrest
• 37:17
  Speaker 16: had a bottle of water. un-shoot it, take a huge
• 37:20
  Speaker 16: drink of water, and take the gun out and shoot yourself.
• 37:23
  Speaker 16: So the question, I think, you know, some people say, well,
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: if you're going to shoot yourself, what's the sense of
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: taking a drink of water?
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: You know, I have no idea. I've never shot myself,
• 37:32
  Speaker 16: so I don't know what goes through somebody's mind in
• 37:35
  Speaker 16: those moments.
• 37:35
  Speaker 18: And when you're going to do something.
• 37:38
  Speaker 16: Crazy, like kill yourself, right, or, you know, shoot the president, at.
• 37:44
  Speaker 18: Some point in time, your mind is not functioning normally.
• 37:48
  Speaker 18: So one of the other things that.
• 37:49
  Speaker 16: Investigators are very cautious about is to try not to
• 37:53
  Speaker 16: apply reason and ration to an unreasonable and unrational mind.
• 37:59
  Speaker 16: So when you're investigating a suicide or you're investigating certain homicides,
• 38:03
  Speaker 16: not all of them because they're all you need, but
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: certain homicides or, in this case, an assassination of a president,
• 38:11
  Speaker 16: and you're trying to apply reason and ration to an
• 38:13
  Speaker 16: unreasonable and unrational mind, you're going to come up with failures.
• 38:18
  Speaker 16: It's just natural. And I just always caution folks about that, too. And, again,
• 38:22
  Speaker 16: this is 24 years of experience of investigating things that I,
• 38:25
  Speaker 16: you know, have and have experienced on my own. And then,
• 38:31
  Speaker 16: of course, the last six years, really, to hear from
• 38:37
  Speaker 16: my colleagues in the legislature how police work works, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 16: they're wrong. They're just wrong. And that's on both.
• 38:46
  Speaker 24: Sides of the aisle.
• 38:46
  Speaker 16: That's not a partisan thing. Now, the partisan difference is
• 38:50
  Speaker 16: the Republicans say, okay, well, the police officers are explaining
• 38:53
  Speaker 16: that this is how it works, and now I understand.
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: And the Democrats, you know, in Hartford are largely like, well, no,
• 38:58
  Speaker 16: it doesn't work that way.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: They're wrong.
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: And they say that to me. As a Republican, they
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: say to Mike DiGiovanni Carlo as a Democrat, and that
• 39:04
  Speaker 16: he doesn't know what he's talking about.
• 39:05
  Speaker 18: And, you know, we don't know anything.
• 39:07
  Speaker 16: About police work, and they do. And that's sort of
• 39:09
  Speaker 16: the partisan disconnect. But you know, to hear from those
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: individuals what their perception of policing is as opposed to
• 39:14
  Speaker 16: the reality. And I don't know how much, you know,
• 39:17
  Speaker 16: Hollywood plays into that or, you know, the social media
• 39:20
  Speaker 16: of 2026 or what, but it's just been the experience
• 39:24
  Speaker 16: that I've had.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get your point, but I think all the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: other evidence, for instance, that morning Lee Harvey supposedly had
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: kept his rifle at Ruth Payne's house, but she thought
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: they were curtain rods wrapped up in paper, you know.
• 39:45
  Speaker 16: Well, you're not unique in this either. I mean, you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 16: there's I know, and again, I haven't really studied. You know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 16: you've got to remember, I wasn't born until 1980, right?
• 39:54
  Speaker 16: So for me, you know, everybody says, well, I remember
• 39:58
  Speaker 16: where I was when Kennedy was shot. I was like, well,
• 40:01
  Speaker 16: I remember where I was when I learned about 9-11,
• 40:03
  Speaker 16: for sure. But, you know, those are two of the
• 40:07
  Speaker 16: biggest comparisons that I hear, you know, from folks. But
• 40:11
  Speaker 16: there's been a lot of, and I know this, a
• 40:13
  Speaker 16: lot of questions and.
• 40:18
  Speaker 16: You know, concerns about the investigation and the incident itself.
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: And I think a lot of that, too, is born
• 40:23
  Speaker 16: of the fact that, for whatever reason, you know, whether
• 40:26
  Speaker 16: it was a conspiracy to make it happen this way
• 40:30
  Speaker 16: or whether Jack Ruby, you know, acted on his own,
• 40:33
  Speaker 16: but the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald never got.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: A trial, right?
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  Speaker 16: So the evidence never became public with a cross-examination of
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  Speaker 23: And very quickly.
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  Speaker 16: Well, and the other thing I would just quickly say
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the American presidency under siege. Yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 6: book that I decided to write given the problems that
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  Speaker 6: And so I authored that book. and entitled The Presidency
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  Speaker 6: a real problem with national leadership. And it's time that
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  Speaker 6: pretty good reviews, too. Whether or not everything that I
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  Speaker 24: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Naturally, I'm going to try and lead this conversation to
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  Speaker 6: Well, yes. You know, I would contend that the problems
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  Speaker 6: you know, under President Trump, I know fast forward up
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's a once-in-a-century personality in force. So
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think so much of his success, and
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  Speaker 6: almost the lowest in history, almost. But nevertheless, he's such
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  Speaker 6: a showman, and he's been able to, in many ways,
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  Speaker 6: quite frankly, in my lifetime. I've never seen a president
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  Speaker 6: would be inclined to say that the— and he's had legislative success,
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  Speaker 6: And he's had a tremendous amount of success now getting—
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  Speaker 6: the authority to fire regulatory commissioners, with the exception of
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  Speaker 6: it shows that to be an effective president, you have
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  Speaker 6: to have those skills. In this day and age, you know,
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  Speaker 6: You have to really go public on everything. And that's
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  Speaker 6: really what he has been doing quite effectively. Hasn't had all,
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  Speaker 6: you know, everything has not broken his way. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he lost on the tariff, for example. And he lost
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  Speaker 6: have an extraordinary amount of success in this day and age.
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  Speaker 6: And that's really what I think we're going to remember
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  Speaker 6: so much about Trump. Whether or not his successors can
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  Speaker 6: about that. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly not on a personality basis, but he's also achieved
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  Speaker 3: some things before the Supreme Court that I think, have
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  Speaker 3: they not? accrued more power to the office. One, the
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  Speaker 3: general category is labeled the unitary executive. And I think
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  Speaker 3: it's under that legal theory that he now has the
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  Speaker 3: Congress has created all these agencies and independent entities that
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  Speaker 3: think will be his legacy. So are there any other
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  Speaker 6: I would agree with you, Red, that that's a big
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  Speaker 6: a little troubled by that ruling. I mean, because regulatory commissioners,
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  Speaker 6: to remove those commissioners. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that would suggest that having been hamstrung, in the
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  Speaker 3: 90s and forward until very recently. Now we've overcorrected and
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  Speaker 3: granting the office too much power.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that might be the case. And then there's the
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  Speaker 6: immunity ruling as well from the Supreme Court. Now, I
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  Speaker 6: don't want to see former presidents dragged into court for
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  Speaker 6: decisions they make. But on the other hand, That that
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  Speaker 6: also is an extraordinary ruling. So are we possibly now? And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we often talked about we often talk about
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  Speaker 6: politics in terms of pendulums. And, you know, when I
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  Speaker 6: wrote the American presidency under siege. it was the pendulum
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  Speaker 6: that swung towards Congress and other dimensions of our politics
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  Speaker 6: at the expense of the presidency. But now, are we
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  Speaker 6: possibly not swinging back to, you know, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 6: the unitary executive and And are we giving the president
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  Speaker 6: a little too much authority? But again, maybe not, because,
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  Speaker 6: you know, if you really look at what's been happening there,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the president did lose on tariffs, which I
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  Speaker 6: know you've written about. And as I mentioned, he lost
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  Speaker 6: on birthright citizenship. He also lost recently on the mail-in voting.
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  Speaker 6: But nevertheless, there are good reasons to question, are we
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  Speaker 6: possibly moving too much towards executive power in this day
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  Speaker 6: and age. That's a really excellent point.
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  Speaker 16: That you raised.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me suggest another theme that we might have
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  Speaker 3: the benefit of your expertise and knowledge on, which is
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  Speaker 3: there's also an interplay between the Congress and the courts
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  Speaker 3: because of what's the Chevron, the famous Chevron, Chevron case,
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  Speaker 3: where before it was overturned recently, I don't know the
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  Speaker 3: exact year, but within the last two, I do believe,
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  Speaker 3: matters that were before agencies, courts were instructed under that
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  Speaker 3: decision of the Supreme Court to defer to agency heads
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  Speaker 3: as experts and decide matters that And now that what
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  Speaker 3: was called Chevron deference has been overturned and matters that
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  Speaker 3: are controversial maybe cannot be decided by agency heads and
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  Speaker 3: experts and have to go into the courts. So the
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  Speaker 3: courts have accrued to themselves more power relative to the
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  Speaker 3: agency sector of the executive. So that kind of plays
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  Speaker 3: into whether– It's all a very interesting mix. So a
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  Speaker 3: fair amount is changing here, as you chronicle, and I did,
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  Speaker 3: I hope, say that you're at work on a chronicle
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  Speaker 3: of Donald Trump's second term. How do you see this
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  Speaker 3: playing out? I mean, we've had— have there been any challenges
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  Speaker 3: in the courts to his firing of any agency heads?
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  Speaker 32: No.
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  Speaker 6: Well, if there are, I'm unaware of them. There might
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  Speaker 6: very well be. Nothing that really has attracted any media
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  Speaker 6: attention yet. But the Chevron ruling is huge, and it
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  Speaker 6: was a decision that I supported because I don't think
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  Speaker 6: civil servants should be in a position to interpret what
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  Speaker 6: You know, you raise a good question about the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we're back. This is Red Janky, your guest host
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  Speaker 3: this morning.
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  Speaker 3: President of the Townsend Group, a business and public policy
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  Speaker 3: And I have online with me Dr. Gary Rose. professor
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  Speaker 3: of political science at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield here
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  Speaker 3: in the state, who has a very distinguished 40-year-plus career
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  Speaker 3: in his seat there, author of 12 books with a
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  Speaker 3: particular specialty focus on the American presidency. And when we
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  Speaker 3: broke for a station ID that went on for a
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  Speaker 3: few minutes, I will note, he We were going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about the Supreme Court and the changing alignment of
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  Speaker 3: power of the different institutions of our national government in Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 3: So with that, I should mention that Professor Rose has
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  Speaker 3: written a book that he admitted to me yesterday. It's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit out of date and may need a
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  Speaker 3: second edition. It's the 25 Most Important Supreme Court decisions
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  Speaker 3: through and including what year was that, Gary, which will
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  Speaker 3: reveal why it might benefit from a second edition.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it was the last case, I think I mentioned
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  Speaker 6: to you, was Bush v. Gore.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got a quarter century that's virgin territory for you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a.
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  Speaker 20: Lot of room there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I have been contemplating a second edition. It
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  Speaker 6: takes an awful lot of work to do a constitutional
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  Speaker 6: law book because you have to really get the cases down.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you can't just write about them without the
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  Speaker 6: content of the case. So you've got to get all
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  Speaker 6: the cases from the U.S. reports or the lawyers' editions,
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  Speaker 6: and then you have to edit them down because some
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  Speaker 6: of these Supreme Court rulings, as you well know, can
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  Speaker 6: be 150 pages long. And so you've got to pick
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  Speaker 6: really what are the essence of the ruling, of the
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  Speaker 6: majority ruling. And it's always good to include a concurrence
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  Speaker 6: or a percenting opinion. And you've got to put it
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  Speaker 6: all together into a chapter. And then you have to
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  Speaker 6: write a preface into the case so that students understand
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  Speaker 6: what the case is about. And the one thing I
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  Speaker 6: did with that book, read which separated my book from others,
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  Speaker 6: I was happy to say, and which made it a
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  Speaker 6: pretty good book, a popular book, is that I provided
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  Speaker 6: the political and social context of some of the rulings
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  Speaker 6: as opposed to just the strict legal parts of the case.
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  Speaker 6: And so you're right, though. It is time for a
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  Speaker 6: second edition. When I find time to do that, that's
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  Speaker 6: another question. But I have been contemplating it, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, just reaching back to the last century and
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  Speaker 3: I guess millennium, pick one or two from the first
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  Speaker 3: 25 that were particularly noteworthy in your opinion.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, you have to in that respect, you
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  Speaker 6: have to talk about Marbury versus Madison, which is the
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  Speaker 6: first case in the book. In fact, almost every constitutional
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  Speaker 6: law book begins with Marbury v.
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  Speaker 20: Madison.
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  Speaker 6: And that is an extraordinary ruling on the part of
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  Speaker 6: Chief Justice John Marshall, who ruled that the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 6: that is the ruling that gave the Supreme Court and
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  Speaker 6: courts generally the authority of what we call judicial review.
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  Speaker 6: And so that is an enormously important case, probably the
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  Speaker 6: biggest of any case ever, because it gave the court
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  Speaker 6: the authority to declare an act of Congress unconstitutional. And
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  Speaker 6: so that to me is an extraordinary ruling. And we
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  Speaker 6: are one of the only countries, at least we have
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  Speaker 6: been for many, many years, that gave courts in our
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  Speaker 6: governing documents that authority. And so, you know, just think
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  Speaker 6: about that for a minute, a minute. You know, the
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  Speaker 6: Congress passes a bill, the president signs it into law,
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  Speaker 6: and then it can be challenged, as it was, and
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  Speaker 6: then it goes up. It could work its way all
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  Speaker 6: the way to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 6: could declare that law unconstitutional to strike it down. And
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  Speaker 6: that's really incredible, that authority. And so I would say
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  Speaker 6: that of the 25 cases, if there's one that is
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  Speaker 6: just so monumental, it is certainly that one. And then,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you also have to talk about the very important, again,
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  Speaker 6: the Marshall era itself looms very large in my book, because,
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  Speaker 6: you know, Marshall served on the court for well over
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  Speaker 6: 30 years. And so there were so many important rulings
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  Speaker 6: that came down during his tenure as Chief Justice. And
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: the rulings still remain to this day. You know, for example,
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  Speaker 6: another one, another one I would say that stands You know,
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  Speaker 6: as monumental as McCulloch v. Merrill, which is the ruling
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  Speaker 6: which said that, you know, the Congress has the authority
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  Speaker 6: to pass implied powers, and they have, I should say,
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  Speaker 6: the Constitution. Let me correct that. The Constitution gives Congress
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  Speaker 6: implied powers in Article I, Section 8, and the states
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  Speaker 6: cannot really interfere with... with the Congress's implied powers. And
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  Speaker 6: that case had to do with establishing a national banking
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  Speaker 6: system in the U.S. And so we had a very
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  Speaker 6: interesting conflict there between implied powers of the federal government
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  Speaker 6: and the reserve powers of the states. And Marshall will
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  Speaker 6: know the implied powers have to override the reserve powers
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  Speaker 6: of the states in that ruling. And so.
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  Speaker 6: That's another one that really stands out as extraordinary. And so,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you go all the way up to the
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  Speaker 6: Bush v. Gordon. It's just all of those. I've really
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  Speaker 6: identified 25 landmark cases. But I would say if I
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  Speaker 6: was to really say which body of cases were the
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  Speaker 6: most seminal of all of them, I would have to
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  Speaker 6: say the Marshall Court rulings. were so important. And then
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  Speaker 6: there's the Gibbons v. Ogden case, which expanded the Congress's
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  Speaker 6: authority to regulate interstate commerce. And so those are rulings
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  Speaker 6: that still continue to this day. And that's how important
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  Speaker 6: those rulings are.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first one you mentioned, I'm surprised to hear,
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  Speaker 3: was a case rather than a part of the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: I would have thought that, you know, I'm revealing my
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  Speaker 3: own ignorance and not completely in-depth knowledge of the Constitution,
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  Speaker 3: but the idea that the courts could interpret laws and
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  Speaker 3: declare some of them unconstitutional. I would have thought that
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  Speaker 3: power was in the Constitution. It's so consequential.
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  Speaker 6: That's a great point you raise, an excellent point, because
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  Speaker 6: most people think, that the power to do that is
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  Speaker 6: embedded in the Constitution, and it's not. Essentially, it was
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: created by a Supreme Court ruling, which established a precedent.
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  Speaker 6: And every time the Supreme Court strikes down a federal,
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  Speaker 6: and then eventually they got the authority to strike down
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  Speaker 6: state laws, you might ask, where is that power located?
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  Speaker 6: And that power actually comes back to Marbury v. Madison.
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  Speaker 6: it's not enumerated in the Constitution at all. And it
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  Speaker 6: was Chief Justice Marshall's interpretation of the Constitution that established
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  Speaker 6: that authority. And so it's an extraordinary authority. And when
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  Speaker 6: you think about it, you know, you're talking about a
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  Speaker 6: small handful of people that really have the authority to
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  Speaker 6: check the an elected branch of government. It's just unreal, actually,
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  Speaker 6: in some respect. But it's so good, though, because it's
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  Speaker 6: part of our checks and balance system. You mentioned some
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: of the books I've written. One recent book I wrote,
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  Speaker 6: which you didn't mention, is a biography of James Madison.
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  Speaker 6: And certainly the Madisonian model of government, to me, is
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  Speaker 6: at work when I see when we know that the
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  Speaker 6: court has that authority because Madison was a strong adherent
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  Speaker 6: of checks and balances, separation of powers.
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  Speaker 15: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, then the other two that you mentioned add
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  Speaker 3: more sophistication and nuance to the idea of that very
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  Speaker 3: simple line that all powers not given to the federal
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  Speaker 3: government are reserved to the states. So deciding that the
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  Speaker 3: federal government has implied powers is kind of giving more
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  Speaker 3: sophisticated interpretation, does it not, to the idea that all
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  Speaker 3: power is not granted?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, you know, the implied powers doctrine, you could
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  Speaker 6: really see the handiwork of the federalists when they wrote
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  Speaker 6: that Constitution, is that they felt, you know, they identified
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: 17 powers given to Congress, and then they put in
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  Speaker 6: Article I, Section 8, the last paragraph, they put in
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: the implied powers doctrine. And they recognized that there were
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  Speaker 6: times where conflicts would develop, where Congress had to legislate
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  Speaker 6: for the will of the nation and for the best
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: of the nation. And so they gave them, you know,
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  Speaker 6: what is in the Necessary and Proper Clause, this implied
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  Speaker 6: powers that they had used quite liberally, according to some,
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  Speaker 6: and maybe too much so, although the court finally put
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  Speaker 6: the brakes on that in a recent— not recent, but in
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  Speaker 6: a decision. And so— but the Congress recognized— I' m sorry, the founding
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  Speaker 6: fathers recognized that Congress— had to be given a— it' s not
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  Speaker 6: a blank check, because the implied power is still limited
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: to executing and carrying out the enumerated powers. But it
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  Speaker 6: gave them the authority to respond to national problems. And
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  Speaker 6: so when, you know, the federal government was attempting to
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  Speaker 6: create a national banking system, as I mentioned, You know,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: the state said, no, we're not going to honor that.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to tax it and get it out of
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  Speaker 6: our state. And so the founders' vision said, they were
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  Speaker 6: really incredible men of vision. I have so much respect
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  Speaker 6: for that. But Congress needs to respond to that because
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  Speaker 6: then we're going to have a balkanized type of economy,
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  Speaker 6: which is not going to function very well. Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: So fast forward some of the post-22,000 decisions, which granted
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  Speaker 3: that you haven't subjected them to scholarly analysis.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Pick one or two there.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. Well, let's see. Where do we want to go
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  Speaker 6: on that? That's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Well, the public will want you to talk about Obamacare, right?
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: Whether it's a tax or whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: We could talk about that, too, the Obamacare. Yeah, Obamacare,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: upholding that under the taxing power. I thought that was
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: a questionable ruling. I mean, I thought for sure they
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: were going to uphold Obamacare based on the Commerce Clause,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: but instead keep just as Roberts decided to frame the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: court's ruling based on the taxing power, which I thought
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: was unusual. But, yeah, that's one that would probably make
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  Speaker 6: the list if I was to do another 25 cases.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: And then, you know, I think we have to really
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: talk about some very recent cases, too, like the immunity ruling.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: You know, that's enormous in terms of what it does
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: for presidential authorities. So I would definitely add that one
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  Speaker 6: to the list. But it would be interesting to pick
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: and choose. But you're right, Obamacare would have to make
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: the list. That's an extraordinary ruling. And to this day,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: there's controversy about that. And what about birthright citizenship? My God.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's a huge one, too. So, yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: think we could get on the list. I'd like to
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: do– I'd probably also– add some cases. There's a couple
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: of landmark cases on gun control, the one that just
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: Antonin Scalia authored, which came out of D.C., upholding the
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: right to bear arms, would make the list. And I
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  Speaker 6: might even include the McDonald case, which extended the right
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: to bear arms to the states. And those are hugely
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: important rulings, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. So just kind of switching a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: staying in this.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sorry, one more, if I'm not interrupting you.
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  Speaker 6: Now I'm brainstorming here. The Dobbs ruling, reversing Roe v. Wade.
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  Speaker 6: All right. So I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've got two bedrock considerations involved in that one.
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  Speaker 6: One is.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know the I don't recall the legal
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: term for it, but honoring precedent, all other things being equal,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court is supposed to honor precedent.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 24: Yes.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: And they directly overturned precedent, overturning Roe v.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: Wade.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: And then you go to Roe v. Wade and there's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the critics are there's no nothing in the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Constitution granting a, you know, that. right as part of privacy,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: the right of privacy. There's no right of privacy in
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: the Constitution, right?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: No, there is not.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So that pair of cases is certainly their everyday
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: very important concerns for all of us Americans, but at
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: the same time, both decisions were had very novel foundations
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: and bases for, upon which to make them. So those
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: would be interesting discussion.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: Abortion ruling, you know, Roe v. Wade. And then it really,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: the roots of that can be traced to a ruling
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: that came out of Connecticut, you know, Griswold.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah. The Griswold ruling, which established the right to privacy and, and,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: The question is, where is that right located? And Justice Douglas,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: who conservatives simply have really felt was not a good
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: legal scholar at all, felt that there were penumbral rights
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: that came out of the Bill of Rights, that is,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: rights that emanated from other rights, and one of them
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: being a right to privacy. Although when you read the ruling,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: it does make some sense that There's a– the privacy
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: concept is connected to a number of the rights within
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: the Bill of Rights. But then from there it goes
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: to abortion. And so, you know, you got the genie
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: out of the bottle there, and it just kept expanding.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 6: And God knows where it's going to– and then, of course,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: finally the Supreme Court put an end to it with Dobbs.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: It said, no, it belongs to the states. It's not
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: a constitutional right. It's not a national right. And so
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: it's up to each individual state. I thought that the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: Dobbs ruling, quite frankly, was a tremendous victory for the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: principle of federalism, and that is returning power to the states,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: which is where really the bulk of power, domestic power,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 6: was intended to reside.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. Well, listen, we're coming to short strokes here.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: you're halfway through because Donald Trump's second term is halfway through.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: Just a comment quickly on how the Chronicle is going.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Is it more difficult this time around than writing your
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: first one about the 2016 presidential contest?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, yeah, this one really is, again, it's a
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: week-by-week project as the as the first Haywire was, as
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: well as the second Haywire. And so this one, every
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: day I have to search the media for what's happening, and,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: you know, there's never a dull moment, and I have
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: to chronicle developments as we go along. Sometimes I feel
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: like my manuscript is looking more like a blog than
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 6: a book, but nevertheless... Yeah, it's coming along well, and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: what I do is I break it down in terms
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: of years and the first six months and the second
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: six months of each year. And so, you know, I'm
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: moving along here, and then I'll have Chapter 4 by
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: the end of this semester probably done when January comes,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: and then that'll be halfway, Mark, and then the— Then
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: the next two years I will continue along, and every
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  Speaker 6: six months I have to provide a whole series of developments.
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  Speaker 6: That's the one thing about this is not Calvin Coolidge
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  Speaker 6: by any means. I mean, this is a presidency where
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  Speaker 6: every week he seems to be in the news doing something.
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  Speaker 6: And so it really is a challenge to keep up
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  Speaker 6: on things. A lot of the book is based, of course,
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  Speaker 6: on media reports. and so forth. But it's coming along,
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  Speaker 6: and it's going to be a big one, probably pretty
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: well over 400 pages. And so it's probably going to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: be another 800-page behemoth, like the first one. And the second, AYR2,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 6: was a shorter book. But yeah, it's coming along well.
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  Speaker 3: That's great. I think you're doing a tremendous national service.
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  Speaker 3: Just Bye. I'm not wielding a hockey stick this morning.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: I'm guest hosting this show on which I've appeared as
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: a guest for several years. But let me welcome our
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  Speaker 3: guest this hour, Philip Howard. is a leader of government
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  Speaker 3: and legal reform in America. He is the founder and
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  Speaker 3: chair of Common Good, a nonpartisan coalition dedicated to simplifying
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: laws so that Americans can use common sense in decision-making.
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  Speaker 3: He is a prolific author, beginning with his 1995 New
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: York Times bestseller, The Death of Common Sense. His titles
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: include The Collapse of the Common Good, Life Without Lawyers— interesting,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: he's a lawyer— the rule of nobody, try common sense,
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  Speaker 3: and not accountable. His 2015 report, Two Years, Not Ten Years,
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  Speaker 3: exposed the economic and environmental costs of delayed infrastructure approvals.
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  Speaker 3: And his proposals have been adopted and incorporated in federal law.
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  Speaker 3: As a lawyer himself, he comes to his reform work
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  Speaker 3: with an in-depth and keen knowledge of the legal system.
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  Speaker 3: He has had a long and distinguished career as a
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  Speaker 3: partner of the prestigious Washington, D.C. law firm, Covington & Burling,
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  Speaker 3: where he today serves as senior counsel. I am very
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  Speaker 3: happy and honored to bring Philip to Connecticut to carry
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  Speaker 3: on his good work. Philip, good morning.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning, Red.
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  Speaker 20: Nice to be with you.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to have you here. Let's jump right in.
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  Speaker 3: You had a column of your own appear in The
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: Washington Post this week, yesterday or the day before. Red
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  Speaker 3: tape figures into your writings and your crusade. Mainly, let's
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: get rid of red tape, but there's more to it
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: than that. So... Share with us your column from the
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  Speaker 3: other day in the Wall Street, in the Washington Post.
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  Speaker 20: It generated a huge response, most of it just peptic.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 20: Literally over 400 comments last I looked. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 20: there are all these people now who are rightly complaining about,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 20: you know, the paralytic, decision-making process so we can't modernize
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 20: infrastructure in our country and such, and the possibility of
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 20: using AI to identify and cut through literally billions of
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 20: words of regulation that have been written since the 1960s.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 20: And I'm very favorable. I'm going to try and help
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 20: those people out. I think those are all good ideas.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 20: But the central idea, I think, is missing, which is
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 20: it's not just a question of getting rid of lots
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 20: of procedures for red tape. It's a question of actually
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  Speaker 20: empowering people, creating a kind of a legal framework within
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 20: which people are allowed to use their judgment. The teacher
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 20: in a classroom needs the authority to make all kinds
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 20: of judgments to maintain order in the classroom. The environmental
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 20: official needs to have the authority to decide, use his
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 20: or her judgment, to decide what are the important issues
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 20: that should be addressed. studied in environmental review, and when
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 20: those have been adequately discussed. And if they don't have
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 20: the authority to use that judgment, you end up with
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 20: these multi-thousand-page environmental reviews that don't illuminate issues, they obscure them.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 20: No pebble left unturned. And it takes 10 years to
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 20: get a permit. So the role of human judgment in
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 20: doing anything, in washing the dishes, has been somehow purged
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 20: from our framework of government. And I'm sure we'll get
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 20: into the idea of public unions. But, for example, school
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 20: principals don't have the authority to run a school. Well,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 20: they have to use their judgment about who's a good
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 20: teacher and who's not, who needs extra training and who doesn't.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 20: These things are not matters of right or entitlement. And
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 20: so if you try to create a government without room
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 20: for human judgment, you end up with this kind of
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 20: lousy robot that lurches here and there and produces half
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 20: the goods at twice the price. This is what we have.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sounding to me like formulaic government. Everything, the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: answer comes out of some formula that's written down rather
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: than what makes common sense at the time.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right. And it ends up being gamed. You know,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 20: everybody sees it. You know, somebody looks at a word
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 20: or a phrase and says, well, what about my... You know,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 20: my right, so the lousy teacher says, you know, can
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 20: you prove that I'm so much worse than that other teacher?
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 20: You end up having a legal proceeding over that can
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 20: take a year or longer to try to get rid
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 20: of the teacher who everybody knows is just going through
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 20: the motions. And the result is that nobody bothers. because
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 20: it's just too hard to do.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you just can't manage.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 20: Right, so we have a kind of a, if you,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 20: you know, somebody from Mars were looking at the United
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 20: States and how it was run and, you know, in
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 20: what we consider a free society, you would see a
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 20: government that is paralyzed by red tape You'd have a
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 20: culture within government of people who no longer think they
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 20: have the right to use their judgment, that doing their
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 20: job is just a matter of legal compliance, you know,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 20: like workers on an assembly line or something. You have
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 20: a society in which people in the workplace don't feel
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 20: free to be honest with other people. You know, you're
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 20: a jerk. You're selfish. You don't try hard. You don't cooperate.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 20: You know, there are all kinds of things that, you know,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 20: people have very different– but we're told we're not allowed
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 20: to give honest feedback in the workplace.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 20: You know, we all go to mandatory video training, the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 20: effect of which is basically to tell us don't be yourself.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 20: Don't be candid. Don't be honest. Watch your words. And
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 20: the effect of that is not to increase trust within
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 20: the workplace, which was the goal of it, The effect
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 20: is to create distrust because everybody knows when somebody is
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 20: not telling the truth. There's no spontaneity. There's no real
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 20: candor to the whole thing. It's just in a free society,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 20: people are no longer free.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Everybody has to espouse and listen to what's
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: politically correct rather than what the moment calls for.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 39: Right.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 20: It's all BS. Everybody knows it's BS. So why did
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 20: Donald Trump get elected? I've known Trump for 40 years.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 20: I was a civic leader in New York, so I
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 20: had to negotiate with him all the time. After he
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 20: became president the first time, when he got elected, Trump
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 20: was asked to be on his CEO council. So I said, okay,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 20: I'll try to be helpful and help him do infrastructure.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 20: So I turned on his CEO council. But why did
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 20: Trump get elected? Trump got elected because a lot of
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 20: people in this country See what I was just talking about.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 20: That it's become BS. It's overbearing. You're not allowed to
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 20: tell a bad joke and then apologize for it.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: And he certainly feels himself beholden to nothing and no one.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: So he's the pure antidote.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 20: I mean, I'm not a Trump fan at all. But
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 20: he's right in many of his critiques of the lousy
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 20: system that we have. And he just doesn't have any
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 20: vision for how to fix it. And he's just completely self-absorbed.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 20: He's a grifter. It's just unbelievable what he's gotten away with.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 20: But that's an indictment.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: In my view, of the.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 20: Of our political system and our governing system.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. He's a backlash to everything that you identified,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: but an unfortunate one in the way he's— Yeah.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right. We need to come up with a
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 20: new vision, a new governing vision that re-empowers people to
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 20: act on their judgment and be accountable for how they
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 20: do it.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: Right, right.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: Well, let's go to what you referenced a few minutes ago,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: which are public sector unions, and continue on with the
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: theme that you've been describing, which is the contracts under
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: which they work completely hamstring government and, say, an agency
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: head– in terms of managing his own workforce it's uh...
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: it's a seminal event with a single public sector union
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: member is fired from their job for non-performance or for
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: cause or anything they are never fired if you can't
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: fire anyone how can you ultimately get anyone to do
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: and honest days work.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 20: Right then and and and there's an important point to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 20: stop here The point is not to go around firing people.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 20: The point is to have the authority to make judgments
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 20: when somebody really isn't doing their job. And it's that
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 20: authority to make judgments that is essential for mutual trust
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 20: in any organization. And if everyone knows that performance doesn't matter,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 20: then the culture of an organization, you know, most of
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 20: the time collapses. People, you know, sort of become discouraged
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 20: and they, you know, defensive and all that. And that's
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 20: what's happening in government. So the effect is not lots
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 20: of lousy people. I think most people in government will
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 20: probably want to do a good job. When everybody knows
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 20: that performance doesn't matter, you have a lousy public culture.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've got a theory insofar as public sector unions
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: are concerned.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: The legal, if not constitutional, authority under which they exist.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe you could share that with us.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 28: Yes.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 20: So I wrote a book in 2023 called Not Accountable.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 20: And it goes through the history of really almost the
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 20: accident of giving public sector unions collective bargaining power. And
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 20: that was in the late 60s. And what that did
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 20: was it made it so that elected officials have a
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 20: legal obligation to make a deal with the union. Now,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 20: if they just negotiated over what trade unions negotiate over,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 20: you know, like wages and benefits or something, that would
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 20: be– it would still be a kind of a problem
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 20: because– Because in the public sector, there are no market
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 20: checks to restrain the union demands.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 20: You know, if the union for United Technologies demands too much,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 20: UT can move out of town or go out of
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 20: business or whatever. You know, government can't move out of
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 20: town or go out of business. So the unions have
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 20: the town or the state over a barrel. And so
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 20: that's one problem. The second problem, as you know, is
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 20: that the unions have used this collective bargaining disorganization tool
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 20: to amass political resources where they effectively bribe public officials.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 6: You know, they get.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 20: as they say, we elect our own bosses. You know,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 20: like in Chicago now, the mayor, Brandon Johnson, got over
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 20: 90% of his campaign funds from the union. And then
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 20: he sits down to negotiate against the union? Give me
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 20: a break.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 20: You know, he bought and paid for it.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 20: So sure enough, he gets elected. What does he do?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 20: He gives them all these benefits, and Chicago's already absolved.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 20: So it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Many times over.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 20: Yeah, so the idea was was was defective in the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 20: first place. And it only happened as kind of really
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 20: almost as an afterthought of the rights revolution in the
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 20: late 60s. People said, well, why not give public employees
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 20: bargaining power? That's what You know, the auto workers have,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 20: and they didn't really think through the differences. And I
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 20: go through the history of that in Not Accountable.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 20: And so what I suggest in Not Accountable, this book,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 20: is that there's a well-established constitutional theory, not controversial, which
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 20: is that elected officials can't delegate governing authority to a
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 20: private group. that if you're elected by voters to be
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 20: in charge of this town or this state or whatever,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 20: you can't give that authority over to some friends or
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 20: aristocrats or people who give you money or anything else.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 20: You have to maintain optimal authority. That doesn't mean you
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 20: can't enter into a contract with a company to provide
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 20: services or even with a union to provide services, but
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 20: you have to maintain authority over that. company or union
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 20: or whatever. You can't cede it. You have to have
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 20: the authority to pull the plug. And so what's happened
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 20: with public employee unions is they've clearly they basically over
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 20: the years have gotten these multi-hundred page collective bargaining agreements
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 20: that basically preclude key managerial choices. There's no accountability. I mean,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 20: you know, I've seen the numbers for Connecticut. You know,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 20: we're talking about 0.0001% of the people get, you know,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 20: dismissed for performance. I mean, there's no accountability. You can't,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 20: there are rules that say you can't close empty facilities.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 20: So there was a jail in Connecticut that had I forget,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 20: you know, a couple dozen inmates and over 100 employees.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 20: They couldn't close it down because of the union contract. Well,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 20: that's just wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Well, listen, let's come back and focus on
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: that and get into the legal theory further. I think
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: there are some recent Supreme Court decisions that buttress that.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: your thesis. And we might touch on those and talk
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit more about Connecticut. And some of the
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: union power in Connecticut is written into the Connecticut Constitution,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: which is really quite eye-poppingly amazing. But we have to
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: go to station break right now. Philip, we'll come back.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: It's a long break, but please stay with us. And listeners,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: please stay with us. We'll be back at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: I have with me Philip Howard, who's a distinguished lawyer
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  Speaker 3: by background and career. He is the founder of Common Good,
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  Speaker 3: which is a reform organization that has already had real
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  Speaker 3: impact insofar as the federal government and law adopting reforms
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  Speaker 3: to the never-ending and endless approvals that are required to
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  Speaker 3: get anything done, in particular to build a dam or
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  Speaker 3: any kind of public infrastructure. Reference the snail darter fish
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  Speaker 3: that prevented the building of some dam for over a decade,
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  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Philip has had great impact. We
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  Speaker 3: were talking before we went to break about his book,
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  Speaker 3: recent book entitled Non-Accountable. And its subtitle is Rethinking the
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  Speaker 3: Constitutionality of Public Employee Unions. And with that, I'd ask
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  Speaker 3: Philip to do a deep dive into the constitutionality issues
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  Speaker 3: and explain all that to us. And maybe we'll extend
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  Speaker 3: that to some recent Supreme Court decisions. So have at it.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us why we can challenge the very existence of
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  Speaker 3: public sector unions on a constitutional basis.
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  Speaker 20: It's not challenging so much the existence as the capacity
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  Speaker 20: to control how government is managed. So they can negotiate
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  Speaker 20: over salaries, but they can't. tell a principal he can't
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  Speaker 20: So the principle of non-delegation is well-established, constitutional principle, can't
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  Speaker 20: give governing authority to a private group, a union, or
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  Speaker 20: anyone else. And it happens to be embodied in the
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  Speaker 20: United States Constitution. In one sentence, in Article 4, Section 4,
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  Speaker 20: there's a sentence that says, The United States should guarantee
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  Speaker 20: to every state in this union a Republican form of government.
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  Speaker 20: And what that means, and Madison, James Madison talked about
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  Speaker 20: it extensively, is the Republican form of government is that
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  Speaker 20: voters elect someone for a term of office, and for
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  Speaker 20: that term of office, they are free to exercise, they
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  Speaker 20: have the obligation to exercise their best judgment to manage voters.
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  Speaker 20: to manage government. And what's happened and what the fear
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  Speaker 20: was is if people would get elected and they might
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  Speaker 20: then give the authority over to some group of aristocrats
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  Speaker 20: or prominent businessmen or, quote, any favored class, as Madison
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  Speaker 20: puts it. And so what's happened is that's clearly happened.
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  Speaker 20: We've given the power, effective power of management to– to
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  Speaker 20: the public employee unions through these multi-hundred-page contracts that make
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  Speaker 20: it impossible to make things work sensibly. I'll just give,
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  Speaker 20: I mean, you can't close down a facility. You can't
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  Speaker 20: have the main management tool, which is employee decision. You
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  Speaker 20: can't redeploy personnel. The MTA in New York has three
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  Speaker 20: technologies that it could implement now that would save over
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  Speaker 20: $ 1 billion a year. you know, sort of single-operator trains
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  Speaker 20: and a couple of others. It can't implement those because
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  Speaker 20: the union won't let them. The union official was quoted
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  Speaker 20: in Cranes recently saying, you know why they can't do this?
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  Speaker 20: Because I say so. They can't do it because the
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  Speaker 20: union will prohibit it. Well, that's crazy. That's a billion
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  Speaker 20: dollars out of taxpayers' money. So I actually have a
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  Speaker 20: new book coming out in– January, called Burning Money. The
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  Speaker 20: subtitle is How Public Employee Unions Make Government Unmanageable. And
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  Speaker 20: the focus of this book is not on the constitutional theory,
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  Speaker 20: but on explaining why unions have eviscerated the whole idea
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  Speaker 20: of the executive branch. The only point of having the
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  Speaker 20: executive branch is to implement public policy effectively. And the
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  Speaker 20: unions have basically made that impossible. So the challenge, and
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  Speaker 20: the reason I've written this new book, and the challenge
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  Speaker 20: with the constitutional theory that I just discussed is that
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  Speaker 20: the Supreme Court, in three or four decisions over the last,
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  Speaker 20: you know, almost 200 years, has held what's called the
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 20: Guarantee Clause. It tells that the Guarantee Clause is non-justiciable,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 20: which means, It should be resolved by the political branches,
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  Speaker 20: not by the courts. But none of those cases have
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  Speaker 20: come up in the context of the main purpose of
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  Speaker 20: the guarantee clause, which is not delegating authority to private groups.
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  Speaker 20: So we need to articulate the reasons why it should
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  Speaker 20: be justiciable in that situation. And so that's the way
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  Speaker 20: I've hired lawyers. We have a partnership with the Liberty
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  Speaker 20: Justice Center in Chicago, which won the tariff case against
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  Speaker 20: Trump and won the Janus case that said that states
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  Speaker 20: can't require public employees to pay union agency fees. So
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  Speaker 20: we're actually mounting a constitutional challenge, which we plan to
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  Speaker 20: bring next year.
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  Speaker 3: That's exciting. So isn't the prospective case going to be
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  Speaker 3: bolstered by some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, the
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: slaughter decision, which does it not decide that the executive
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  Speaker 3: should have more power over its employees?
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right. So there have been a bunch of
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  Speaker 20: recent Supreme Court opinions to the effect that the executive
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  Speaker 20: branch has to maintain its authority. And so I think directionally,
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  Speaker 20: they're all helpful. There's also another relatively recent case that's
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  Speaker 20: helpful on a The second theory that we have, constitutional theory,
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  Speaker 20: is that this is all corrupt. I mean, it's obviously
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  Speaker 20: corrupt for public employee unions, millions of public employees, to
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  Speaker 20: amass these resources and then use them to get people
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  Speaker 20: elected whose job is to manage them, not to be
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  Speaker 20: bought off.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 20: There was a case called the Caperton case in the
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 20: Supreme Court about 10 years ago that held that a
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  Speaker 20: state court elected judge could not preside over a case
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  Speaker 20: involving his main campaign contributor, that that was a violation
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  Speaker 20: of due process, because this person's obviously, you know, closely
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  Speaker 20: allied with the judge, and so it's not impartial justice.
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  Speaker 20: And the case said it was limited to judicial officers,
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  Speaker 20: but it's not a far leap to say, well, wait
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  Speaker 20: a minute. The governor or the mayor is elected to
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  Speaker 20: run the– is elected to manage public employees in the
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  Speaker 20: public interest. That's their main job.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 20: And they're getting all their money from the public employees?
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  Speaker 20: Why isn't that a violation of due process? And by
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 20: the way, it not only looks like corruption, it works
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  Speaker 20: like corruption. You know, there's just, you know, all these
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 20: cities and states, or many of them, are functionally bankrupt
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  Speaker 20: because these people have been bought off and given all
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  Speaker 20: sorts of benefits that the state and the city can't afford.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, no better example of that than in Connecticut
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  Speaker 3: where the The Maine Public Employee Pension Fund is drastically underfunded,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: and if you just schedule out what would be required
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  Speaker 3: to fully fund them, it's a bankrupting proposition in this state.
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  Speaker 3: Just elaborating a little bit more on the finance, then
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  Speaker 3: let's come back to the law. The finance is such
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: that if we have a stock market reversal this state
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  Speaker 3: is going to be in deep trouble because the only
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: progress that's been made in terms of funding that pension
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: fund has been on the backs of what has been
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: a skyrocketing stock market over the last five to ten years.
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  Speaker 3: If we just normalize, we can't possibly fund the pensions.
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  Speaker 20: Right, right. And so why should it be– how can
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 20: it possibly be constitutional where the people elected to make
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 20: responsible judgments for taxpayers have been bought off by the
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 20: unions and get these benefits which– which are literally unaffordable.
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  Speaker 20: I mean, in New York, I don't know the Connecticut numbers,
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  Speaker 20: but in New York State, there's something like $ 350 billion
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 20: of unfunded benefits, not pensions, benefits. It's over $ 50, 000 per
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 20: household in New York State is in debt for unfunded benefits.
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  Speaker 20: So what happens when the... It's just... It's... It's staggeringly irresponsible.
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  Speaker 20: And it's all been done in a corrupt way. So
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 20: we plan to bring this case. But it was important.
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  Speaker 20: I decided not to bring the case this year because
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 20: I didn't think people really understood the extent of the harm.
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  Speaker 20: I thought that people think, well, public employee unions are
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 20: kind of a pain and they make things less efficient and,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 20: you know, it's kind of a kind of a marginal
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 20: problem for government. It's not a marginal problem for government.
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  Speaker 20: It has eviscerated one of the main responsibilities of an
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 20: elected executive. The executives can still change public priorities. They
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 20: can still make things run a little better. But one
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 20: thing they can't do is manage government in the public interest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And so you're waiting to buttress your developing
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  Speaker 3: case with more examples of it being an unsustainable phenomenon.
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  Speaker 20: Yes, and it's really a difference. What I think people
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 20: need to understand is that it's not really a matter
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 20: of degree. It's a matter of.
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  Speaker 20: I mean, public employee unions have become a negative version
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  Speaker 20: of central planning. And the effect on public productivity is similar.
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  Speaker 20: We're literally getting half the goods at twice the price.
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  Speaker 20: So when the wall came down in Eastern Europe, productivity doubled.
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  Speaker 12: It doubled.
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  Speaker 20: Well, imagine if government could actually be managed. And by
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  Speaker 20: the way, you can still have a civil service system.
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  Speaker 20: You still have protections against, you know, partisan retribution. It's
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  Speaker 20: not like we're trying to, you know, advocate for Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 20: who really doesn't even think about operational effectiveness. We're just
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  Speaker 20: trying to advocate for the kind of authority needed by
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  Speaker 20: any manager to run anything. And, you know, exhibit A
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  Speaker 20: are the charter schools. I wish the best example is
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  Speaker 20: New Orleans. You know, when they closed down the public
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  Speaker 20: schools after Hurricane Katrina, somebody had the idea, well, let's just,
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  Speaker 20: you know, let them be charter schools. A lot of
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  Speaker 20: the same people, teachers, principals, went into charter schools, and
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  Speaker 20: the charter schools are twice as good as the old
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  Speaker 20: public schools. You know, it's the same, just because they're managed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 20: Mitch Daniels became governor of.
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  Speaker 20: Indiana in 2005, he put in a private sector guy
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  Speaker 20: to try to turn around the Bureau of Motor Vehicles,
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  Speaker 20: which was like the worst in the country. And in
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  Speaker 20: three years, it got the award for being the best
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  Speaker 20: in the country. Three years. And I go through this
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 20: in this new book, Burning Money. You know, what they did,
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 20: it wasn't like numerical. They didn't fire a lot of people.
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  Speaker 20: They just started making choices. Hey, let's... let's keep track
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 20: of the waiting time. Let's offload something online so we
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  Speaker 20: don't waste time doing this or that. It's just a
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  Speaker 20: lot of little choices.
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  Speaker 3: But choices were made rather than having to follow work
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  Speaker 3: rules that come out of a contract that prevent management
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  Speaker 3: down to a level of microminutia.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right. And so And so Mitch writes about this.
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  Speaker 20: He says, the thing that I did that made this
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  Speaker 20: all possible is I got rid of collective bargaining.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, you mentioned matters of degree and matters
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  Speaker 3: of type. I would– there's a guide rule that I
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  Speaker 3: use often, which is that once– changes of degree reach
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  Speaker 3: a certain magnitude, they become changes of type.
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  Speaker 20: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so what might have gone, you know, under the radar,
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  Speaker 3: flew under the radar and been tolerated in terms of
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  Speaker 3: public sector behavior when it was not so egregious has now,
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  Speaker 3: because it has become so egregious and so unsustainable, it
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  Speaker 3: has changed into a problem of type. It is now
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  Speaker 3: outright corruption where it was maybe padding things a bit initially.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing is we had a system that worked
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  Speaker 3: before the late 1960s when public sector unions came into existence.
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  Speaker 3: We had been managing government for, what, almost 200 years
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  Speaker 3: without public sector unions. Why did we need them all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden?
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 20: We didn't need them. There was no scandal. There was
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  Speaker 20: no need. It was just that the union officials wanted power,
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  Speaker 20: and they— They already were politically influential, even though they
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  Speaker 20: were much smaller. And so the path of least resistance,
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  Speaker 20: political leadership came into them.
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  Speaker 6: And why not?
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  Speaker 20: And that was the age when everyone was getting rights,
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  Speaker 20: too many rights, right? I mean, you go to the workplace,
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 20: people say, well, I have the right not to be fired. Well,
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  Speaker 20: what's that?
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  Speaker 6: So, you know, what about my rights?
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  Speaker 20: You have to work with somebody who tries hard.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 20: We had this, quote, rights revolution, which was important in
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 20: some ways to change civil rights laws and environmental laws
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  Speaker 20: and such, but was counterproductive in other ways that I've
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  Speaker 20: written about, and certainly in this way. So they just
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  Speaker 20: gave them these powers, and it just blew out of control.
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  Speaker 20: I mean, it was, again, I go through the history
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  Speaker 20: and not account for it. It was almost funny. It's
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 20: almost funny to read what the advocates thought would happen
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  Speaker 20: and then look at what actually happened.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. Was there any particular action that brought public sector
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  Speaker 3: unions into existence? Was there legislation? Was there some discreet
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  Speaker 3: decision made that we can look at?
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah. So there were laws in Connecticut and in,
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  Speaker 20: you know, 38 states that– mandate collective bargaining for public
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  Speaker 20: sector unions.
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  Speaker 3: How about at the federal level?
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  Speaker 20: At the federal level, there's also a law that, well,
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  Speaker 20: there was initially an executive order signed by JFK, and
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  Speaker 20: then that became a law codified in 1978 in the
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  Speaker 20: Civil Service Reform Act that that I think is unconstitutional,
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  Speaker 20: and Trump also thinks it's unconstitutional and has done some
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  Speaker 20: things as a result of my writings that I don't
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  Speaker 20: actually think are very wise, but he does have the power,
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  Speaker 20: in my view, to do it.
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  Speaker 3: No, certainly with the trend in the direction of the
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: unitary executive and some recent, you know, he now has
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 3: the power to fire agency heads. Isn't this moving in
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  Speaker 3: your direction?
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely moving in my direction. I mean,
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  Speaker 20: I think that it's important, actually, to have a civil
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  Speaker 20: service system that protects against partisan retribution. So, for example,
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 20: two Federal Reserve economists earlier in the year had a
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 20: report that said that Trump's tariffs had raised consumer prices.
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  Speaker 20: You know, they did it for that. You know, this
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  Speaker 20: is not a controversial conclusion.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone's done it.
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  Speaker 20: Well, the White House said these people should be disciplined
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  Speaker 20: or indicted. Because of the worst report in the history
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  Speaker 20: of government.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 20: You have to protect the professionalism of people in government.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 20: And so it's one thing for an elected official who's
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  Speaker 20: superior to, I'm all for them overruling the decisions within
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 20: the boundaries of law by someone they disagree with. That's fine.
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  Speaker 20: They're superior opposites. But you've got to protect– you've got
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  Speaker 20: to allow people who work for government to be professional
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  Speaker 20: and not be scared of being– having to do whatever
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  Speaker 20: the political person wants, even if it's, in fact, inaccurate. But,
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  Speaker 20: I mean, that's Trump's problem. I mean, Trump is somebody–
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  Speaker 20: he's a completely unreliable human being who has no respect
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  Speaker 20: for facts. So– So there does need to be a
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  Speaker 20: civil service system, but I go through that a.
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  Speaker 6: Little bit in.
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  Speaker 20: This new book, Burning Money. It's not that hard to
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  Speaker 20: create that. And I'm going to try to actually talk
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 20: some think tanks into organizing some small committees with me
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  Speaker 20: to actually propose a series of new frameworks, new legal
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  Speaker 20: frameworks for civil service or for whatever, for making decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Well, please come to Connecticut. We need you desperately.
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  Speaker 20: Well, I'd be happy if the governor, well, I don't
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  Speaker 20: even need official authority. I just need, you know, a
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  Speaker 20: think tank and a group of smart people who want
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 20: to do this, and we can just take it upon
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 20: ourselves to do it and say, this would work a
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 20: lot better and save you this many hundreds of millions
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 20: or millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm extending a personal invitation for you to come
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  Speaker 3: to Connecticut, and let's get that done. Philip, we're out
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  Speaker 3: of time. I offer that invitation in many dimensions. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: we'll have you back on this radio show, but this
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  Speaker 3: has been a very elucidating, very important issue. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: for coming on and taking your time to outline all
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 3: this for us. And with that, I have to say
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  Speaker 3: thank you and goodbye. Our time is up. We have
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  Speaker 3: to go to station break. Thanks again, Phil.
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  Speaker 20: Thanks a lot, Red.
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  Speaker 3: Bye.