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Ep. 933: What Would Ted Zangerle Do? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired.
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  Speaker 2: To Hunt podcast. This week in the show we are
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  Speaker 2: starting are what would You Do? Series again, in which
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  Speaker 2: we walk a hunter through a series of hypothetical, challenging
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  Speaker 2: hunting scenarios to see exactly how they.
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  Speaker 3: Would handle them.
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  Speaker 2: And today's guest is Ted Zangerley of the Hunting Public.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light and their Camera for
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  Speaker 3: And it is that time of year again.
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  Speaker 2: August has arrived and as we have done for I
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  Speaker 2: think five years now, every August, we kick off are
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  Speaker 2: what would you Do? Series, in which I run a
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  Speaker 2: great deer hunter through a series of hypothetical, difficult, challenging, frustrating,
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  Speaker 2: confusing hunting scenarios, give them very specific hypothetical situations to
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  Speaker 2: see how they would handle them, how they would think
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  Speaker 2: through them, what their decision making processes and everything in between.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing here today, and we're kicking
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  Speaker 2: it off with a great first guest, Ted Zangerly from
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  Speaker 2: the hunting public.
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  Speaker 3: He is a die hard deer hunter.
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  Speaker 2: He has had success and experience all across the country,
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  Speaker 2: oftentimes hunting brand new places, hunting public heavily pressured tough spots,
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  Speaker 2: and getting the job done. So Ted has a lot
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  Speaker 2: to share here, an interesting perspective, I think, in something
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  Speaker 2: that all of us can learn from, whether we're hunting
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  Speaker 2: you know, big pieces of public land or our own
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  Speaker 2: back forty or something in between. Lots of good stuff,
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  Speaker 2: very actionable information. So two very quick housekeeping things before
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  Speaker 2: we get to my chat with Ted. Number one, if
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  Speaker 2: you have not heard, we have a totally new limited
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  Speaker 2: run podcast series on the Wired hunt feed. It's called
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  Speaker 2: the Back forty Podcast is hosted by my friend Jake Hoefer,
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  Speaker 2: and each one of those episodes he asks one specific
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  Speaker 2: burning question to eight different expert guests.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a very.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting format, really interesting people that share their perspectives. Definitely
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  Speaker 2: go check that out. The first two episodes should be
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  Speaker 2: out by now if you're listening to this here at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of August.
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  Speaker 2: that Wired to Hunt flag is flying strong. So without
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  Speaker 2: further ado, let's get to the what would you Do
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  Speaker 2: Gauntlet with Ted Zangery.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Ted, Hey, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited for this one because, well, for two reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, this is our first what would you Do
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  Speaker 2: episode of the year, and we've been doing these for
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  Speaker 2: maybe five years now, and it kind of symbolizes like
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  Speaker 2: the real kickoff of like hunting seasons coming soon. August
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  Speaker 2: is here, the full blown ramp up is an effect,
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  Speaker 2: So it's exciting from that perspective.
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  Speaker 3: And then number two, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Exciting because while you have been on the Wired Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 2: it was with my buddy Tony and not me, So
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  Speaker 2: this is our first time getting to do a show together.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited we get to chat. I appreciate you
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  Speaker 2: coming out here do this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, this would be good to get the
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  Speaker 5: mindset back into rolling back into deer hunting.
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  Speaker 4: So getting ready to get into it exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know what the format is that the
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  Speaker 2: plan here is that I'm just gonna throw you in
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  Speaker 2: the fire. I'm going to toss out a bunch of specific,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes challenging, sometimes frustrating, sometimes cool scenarios, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm hoping you can kind of walk me through what
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  Speaker 2: your mindset would be, how you would approach this challenge,
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  Speaker 2: what you would be thinking about, what you would do,
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  Speaker 2: how you would handle it. It just seems like oftentimes
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  Speaker 2: when we have these very specific scenarios and we hear
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  Speaker 2: how people would kind of go through this, it makes
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  Speaker 2: it makes the kind of learning opportunities really really pop.
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  Speaker 2: So so that's the point, are you ready to run
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  Speaker 2: through the gauntlet. We're just gonna get right into it.
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  Speaker 2: I think that sounds good to me.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So here's one that I think is kind of in
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  Speaker 2: your wheelhouse. You guys have like a kind of a
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  Speaker 2: version of this many times given the hunting style on
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  Speaker 2: the way you guys spend your year. So imagine that
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  Speaker 2: this year you are gonna hunt Ohio. You've got in
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  Speaker 2: Ohio tag, you are tentatively planning on going there for
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  Speaker 2: a November hunt. But you've never been to this place before,
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  Speaker 2: never hunted it, never scouted it, never set foot there,
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  Speaker 2: and it is a piece of public land that's pretty big,
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  Speaker 2: pretty big piece of public You are going to get
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  Speaker 2: to have one day of scouting in the summer. Let's
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  Speaker 2: say sometime this month, in August, you're able to carve
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  Speaker 2: out one single day to scout it before your November hunt.
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  Speaker 2: How exactly would you best use that kind of twelve
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  Speaker 2: hours on the ground. Let's call it August twenty fifth
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  Speaker 2: you're going to go, So you have August twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 2: You've got twelve hours of daylight.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say, how do you spend that one day?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd probably obviously beforehand, I do a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: scouting on the map out there, looking at a bunch
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  Speaker 5: of different stuff, looking at all the access points, all
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  Speaker 5: the roads, whatever it may be. And honestly i'd probably
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  Speaker 5: look at where we turkey on it a lot, because
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  Speaker 5: we turkey on it out there a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 5: and I remember seeing like a bunch of deer during
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  Speaker 5: the evenings. So I'd be thinking about all those past
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  Speaker 5: experiences and all that and get out there, probably do
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of driving, looking around at stuff, looking at
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  Speaker 5: the fields, looking at all the trails and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 5: and then just dive in there. And one thing that
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  Speaker 5: I am trying to get better at in my scouting
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  Speaker 5: is picking out like specific setups when I go in
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  Speaker 5: in the summertime. And if I can do that a
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  Speaker 5: little bit better going forward, I think that would help
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  Speaker 5: me out a lot. So I think a lot of
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  Speaker 5: times I'll go into an area scout, but I won't
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  Speaker 5: like really narrow down on stuff, especially in the summertime.
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  Speaker 4: I'll kind of look at it real broad.
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  Speaker 5: And so that's one thing that I want to try
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  Speaker 5: and get better at, is like looking narrowing down my
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  Speaker 5: focus on like one specific spot and then picking out
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  Speaker 5: a specific tree and saying, all right, on this wind,
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  Speaker 5: this type of condition, day I would come in, this
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  Speaker 5: is how I would get in there and pick that
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  Speaker 5: tree and just have a route planned out to get
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  Speaker 5: in there and hunt it.
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  Speaker 3: So given that you only have one day, but you're
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  Speaker 3: coming back for you know, a week or so in November.
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  Speaker 2: How many spots like that would you try to have?
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  Speaker 2: Would do you think you go into the day like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, I need to pick out X number or
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  Speaker 2: is it just going to be Oh, if I come
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  Speaker 2: across you know, a banger, then I'm gonna fully think
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  Speaker 2: it through like you just did, Like how would you
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  Speaker 2: think about that?
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  Speaker 5: I'd try and find as many as I could, But
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  Speaker 5: if you only have one day, you'd probably only have
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  Speaker 5: maybe two or three they can find like that if
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  Speaker 5: you really got after it from daylight to dark. I
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  Speaker 5: feel like, so that might not be super realistic just
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  Speaker 5: having one day, but just being able to go out
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  Speaker 5: there and drive around the area. I think that helps
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  Speaker 5: tremendously going back into it, because then you already have
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  Speaker 5: an idea. Even if you don't have a specific tree
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  Speaker 5: you're going into, you'll have you know, a few different
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  Speaker 5: spots at the very least to that you're going to
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  Speaker 5: want to come back to and kind of key it on.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you just drive by a spot too, where
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  Speaker 5: I drive by a spot and I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, this looks this looks good.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't look like it's real obvious to get in there,
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  Speaker 5: or maybe like there's a spot where you got to
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  Speaker 5: go like straight up a hill to get up in there.
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  Speaker 4: That would be a spot.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe I don't dive in there right away, but i'd
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  Speaker 5: keep note of it on the map, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: middle of the day, if I'm out there hunting during
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  Speaker 5: the fall, I'd have that spot in mind and say, well,
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  Speaker 5: let's hike up there and just check it out and
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  Speaker 5: kind of scout away into it and pick a spot
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  Speaker 5: to hunt for that afternoon if we can find something
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  Speaker 5: in there. But I think that would be the main
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  Speaker 5: thing for just having a day in August driving around
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  Speaker 5: marking as many spots as I can to that pique
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  Speaker 5: my interest.
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  Speaker 2: I guess what percent of that day do you think
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  Speaker 2: would be that high level driving around, you know, getting
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  Speaker 2: the landmarks figured out, getting the general area figured out.
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  Speaker 3: Is that like fifty of the day quarter of the day.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: I asked this because I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: when they think they've got you know, a short amount
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  Speaker 2: of time of scout, they just want to like jump in,
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  Speaker 2: have boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: And walk walk walk walk walk.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of times, you know, folks like you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we we had had a similar question to
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  Speaker 2: Aaron and Zach, and I think they kind of had
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  Speaker 2: a similar approaches. You know, there's a lot of important
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  Speaker 2: importance on understanding and have the outside end view. How
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  Speaker 2: much of your day do you think you'd devote to
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  Speaker 2: that high level side of things.
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  Speaker 4: I'd probably I'd say probably fifty.
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  Speaker 5: Would be driving around at the very least, I think,
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  Speaker 5: just because depending on how big the area is too,
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  Speaker 5: Like if you can cover it from daylight till noon, say,
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  Speaker 5: and then I think from that point that's going to
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  Speaker 5: help you pick out the spots that you want to
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  Speaker 5: dive into and put boots on the ground and scout.
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  Speaker 5: So I'd probably drive around until I covered the whole thing,
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  Speaker 5: and then you never really know what that's going to uncover.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of times.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so true.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Let's imagine we are we're hunting. Season's open and
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  Speaker 2: it's an out of state hunt opening.
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  Speaker 3: Week of the sea. You're there for a week.
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  Speaker 2: This is mixed private ag ground, so like think like
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  Speaker 2: alfalfa or soybeans, something green on the neighboring private the
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  Speaker 2: public land is river bottom ground.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The hiccup, like the kind of wrench thrown into your plans, though,
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  Speaker 2: is that you can't hunt the first few days of
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  Speaker 2: the season, so you have to show up like three
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  Speaker 2: days late. So it's opening week, but you missed the
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  Speaker 2: first three days, so you know, the amazing opening night
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  Speaker 2: when no one's been in there, Like, we don't get that.
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  Speaker 2: You have to show up after those first few days
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  Speaker 2: of hunting. And this is a place that historically has
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  Speaker 2: had hunting pressure, so this is not like some kind
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  Speaker 2: of secret Heidi hole that no one's gonna hunt. There
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  Speaker 2: will be people hunting those first couple of days. So
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  Speaker 2: that's your scenario. It's opening week, but you missed the
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  Speaker 2: first three days. River bottom cover that you can out
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  Speaker 2: in the public green ag fields on the neighboring private.
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  Speaker 2: How would you approach your first few hunts on this
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  Speaker 2: property in this situation? Do you still hunt it like
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  Speaker 2: you normally would like an early season opening week or
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  Speaker 2: are you assuming now they're not on the food, they're
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  Speaker 2: probably you know, reacting to pressure.
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  Speaker 3: How would you tackles.
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  Speaker 5: I'd probably say saying it's three weeks in or not
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  Speaker 5: three weeks, three days in the sea, three days, I
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  Speaker 5: would think, okay, I'm gonna go around and check these
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  Speaker 5: access points and see like, is there a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: tire tracks in there?
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  Speaker 4: What's that?
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  Speaker 5: What can I tell from just the clues on the
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  Speaker 5: ground how many people have been in here, how many
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  Speaker 5: people been in here, whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 4: But then from there, once I.
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  Speaker 5: Figure out, let's say I find a spot that looks
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  Speaker 5: like there has been a whole lot of people into it,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm imagining like a piece of river bottom that's
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's a little bit of or quite a
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  Speaker 5: bit of room back there, like you have some room
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  Speaker 5: to roam once you leave the parking lot, maybe you can.
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  Speaker 4: Get deep in their ways.
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  Speaker 5: I'd probably from there if I had a day or
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  Speaker 5: two or three days to hunt. At that point, I'd think,
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  Speaker 5: all right, well, I'm gonna just kind of ease my
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  Speaker 5: way into this. I'm just gonna take it real slow.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe head in at like noon or one o'clock
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  Speaker 5: and just kind of pick my way back in there
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  Speaker 5: and scout and look at all the sign.
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  Speaker 4: And then once I find.
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  Speaker 5: Start finding a little bit better sign like rubs and
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  Speaker 5: good trails and whatever it may be, I'd probably set
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  Speaker 5: up and hunt it for the afternoon and then just
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  Speaker 5: kind of take it like a stage stage hunt all
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  Speaker 5: the way back in there. If I was just going
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  Speaker 5: to focus on that one specific river bottom piece, because
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  Speaker 5: like you said, they're probably not gonna be coming out
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  Speaker 5: to the food at that point, so then or in daylight,
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  Speaker 5: you know, So yeah, I just kind of pick my
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  Speaker 5: way back in there. And I feel like that's something
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  Speaker 5: we do all the time, and that's one of my
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  Speaker 5: favorite ways to hunt. If you have a spot where
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  Speaker 5: you're like, you know, there's you know, there's a buck
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  Speaker 5: back in there somewhere, or several bucks maybe, and just
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  Speaker 5: kind of play detective back in there for a couple
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  Speaker 5: of days and just kind of you know, you start
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  Speaker 5: seeing a little bit of sign, you start running into
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  Speaker 5: a few deer here and there maybe, and then set
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  Speaker 5: up and try it. And if you don't see the
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  Speaker 5: action there you want to see, then the next day,
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  Speaker 5: as long as you didn't spook a whole bunch of stuff,
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  Speaker 5: just tear down, go back out, and then the next
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  Speaker 5: day just go in there a little bit deeper until
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  Speaker 5: you find the next batch at hot sign. And then
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  Speaker 5: I think if you do that and you just kind
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  Speaker 5: of always have the wind in your face or whatever,
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  Speaker 5: and you just take it real slow, give yourself plenty
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  Speaker 5: of time to get back in there and get set up.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a lot of times we have some
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  Speaker 5: of our best hunts.
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  Speaker 2: So what if let's throw one more curveball in there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Let's say that you have hunted this piece before.
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  Speaker 2: You hunted it the year before, but you hunted it
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  Speaker 2: like mid September, so we're imagining this is like opening
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  Speaker 2: week early September.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see. So you've hunted it in mid.
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  Speaker 2: September before when it was like really blown up two
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  Speaker 2: weeks worth of hunting, and you did the approach you
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  Speaker 2: talked about where you kind of staged your way back,
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  Speaker 2: but you had to keep on going farther and farther
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  Speaker 2: and farther back to finally find where they're daylighting. So
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  Speaker 2: mid for mid September hunt you found out you had
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  Speaker 2: to be like all the way on the edge of
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  Speaker 2: the bed I mean sorry, all the way on the
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  Speaker 2: edge of the river almost until you could actually get
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  Speaker 2: some daylight activity. So now you know like where the
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  Speaker 2: core core core stuff is. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: now you're thinking, well, we're only three days in, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they're moving more. So I guess what I'm getting at
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  Speaker 2: is if you knew where they were bedded, would you
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  Speaker 2: still be kind of careful and start far out and
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  Speaker 2: slowly work your way back because maybe only three days
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  Speaker 2: and they might be coming out that far. Or would
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  Speaker 2: you say, well, I know where they're at, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: I could kill them, you know, one hundred yards in
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  Speaker 2: from the field edge, but I could just blast right
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  Speaker 2: in there and just get tight to the bedding that
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  Speaker 2: I know is very very deep. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to push through a lot covered to
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  Speaker 2: get there. Does that change things at all?
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  Speaker 4: I think it might.
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  Speaker 5: I think it might change things a little bit. Depends
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  Speaker 5: on like some think it depends on the time that
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  Speaker 5: I would have, Like say if I had if I
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  Speaker 5: had three days to hunt it, and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, they might make it all the way out here,
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  Speaker 5: because I think I think that's also something that we
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  Speaker 5: do a lot, or I do a lot where like
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  Speaker 5: you're saying, Okay, I'm pretty sure they're going to be
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  Speaker 5: right in this hole right back here. And then if
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  Speaker 5: it's early on in the season, even though maybe it's
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  Speaker 5: three days in and there has been some people in there,
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of times like I'll push it
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  Speaker 5: a little bit too far, too fast, and then I'll
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  Speaker 5: blow something out of there and it won't work out
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  Speaker 5: where if I have if I know I have that
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  Speaker 5: time to kind of ease my way back in there,
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  Speaker 5: then I'll probably be a little bit more conservative and
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  Speaker 5: you know, hold up a little bit and just see.
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  Speaker 5: Because a lot of times, like early in the season,
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  Speaker 5: like I was saying, like I'll go too far. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if I'd have just held up back there and a
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: buck might get up and all of a sudden, he's
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: you know, covering a little bit more ground than what
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: I maybe expected. Because there one time Iowa during early
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: muslither season, I had a real similar situation happened. I
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: guess where I ended up killing a buck. But me
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: and Keith were hunting. It was like these big ridges
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: that all dropped down into a bowl and it was
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: a bunch of nasty willows at the very end of it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: But these ridges are like super super long, so long
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: ways coming from the parking lot, and then it all
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: dropped down into this river and we would walk in
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: and we'd only take it one hundred and two hundred
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: yards and there'd be scrapes and rubs, and then I'd
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: bump a dough or something. I'd be like, oh, you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: I better hold up right here, because I'm like, I
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: don't know, they might be just over this next little
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: in this next little bowl or something coming up to
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: this ridgetop to feed on all these acorns. So we
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: set up, like I don't know how many days in
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: a row. We set up probably three days in a
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: row where we'd go in and set up and we
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: wouldn't see nothing. Then we might I mean we were
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: bumping does on the way in, so that would be
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: a lot of times where I'd be like, oh, I
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: better stop right here because what if the buck's like
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: right over the next deal. So we did that for
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: three days, I think at least. But the thing that
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: we were looking at to make our move all the
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: way in there to where we thought that the bucks
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: were probably at was there was a day coming up
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: that was super super windy, so like fifteen mile an
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: hour winds was coming up, and it was going to
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: be early muzzle other season, so we were like, well,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: it's just kind of pick our way in here, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: maybe there is a chance that there's one up on
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: these ridges, it's going to pop up here before on
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: the top before dark. And so we did that a
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: few different times, and like I said, we didn't see anything.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Maybe we had a dough come by real late, but
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: not much. And so then that day when the winds
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: picked up, we were like, all right, we're we're going
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: We're going for it now. And the interesting thing to
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: me about this whole hunt was.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: The amount of deer that we kicked up on the
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: way in to get.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: To where the buck ended up being at and where
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: we were kind of thinking he.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Might have been at.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: And so it was me, Keith and Gregg and we
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: just kind of went in on that same ridge top
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: that we'd been hunting, and we were walking past rubs
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: and scrapes and everything else kicking up does I mean
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: we probably kicked up ten or fifteen dos up on
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: the ridges, and every time one would get up, I'd
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: be like, oh crap, did I.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Just screw the boodchier right?
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: And it'd take off and it'd be a dough and
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: it's like, all right, good, So we'll just keep easing
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: our way back in there, and eventually we got all
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: the way to the back and started dropping off down
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: into the bottom and at that point, because we were
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: moving pretty slow the whole time, it was like getting
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: to be the last hour a daylight or so, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: we just dropped in there. And right as soon as
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: we dropped down in there, I looked up and this
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: buck was coming right out of the bedding cover that
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: we were thinking he might have been in.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: And then we ended up getting him.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: But that was That's one that is pretty similar to
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: that situation, like you're talking about, just like making a
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: decision to whether or not you still hunt or stage
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: your way in there, or do you just die right in.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: It's hard because it's a hard decision to make a
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: lot of time, especially for me, where I'm like, I
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: don't want to go too far and blow it all
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: up before we even have a solid hunt, you know, inside.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: The bubble of where we think he's at.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And uh so, I really I really like hunting
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: like that whenever I can just kind of ease my
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: way into a spot and eventually dive all the way
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: in there. But I mean you run a risk too
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: with that, where it's like maybe you don't go all
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: the way in there, and then the next day you
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: show up and there's already a truck in the parking
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: lot or something, and then you don't get the chance
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: to actually dive all the way in there. So it
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: can be kind of a hard decision to make, But
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: those hunts are pretty fun.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I think if you have that situation that like, let's
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: continue to on that line. So let's imagine you start
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: stage hunting. Let's say you're you're two days into your
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: stage hunt. You've you've hunted the first day kind of
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: conservatively saw some deer, but not quite right. So you say,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: day two, I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna push one
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: hundred yards further. Let's say you get in there and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: now you start seeing some bucks, but it's like a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: couple of nice two year olds, but you just know
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: there's got to be a big old stinky hog back
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: there somewhere.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: You're just not quite far enough. So now day three,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: you show back up.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: It's a Friday, and there's a truck of the parking
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: lot and it's kind of let's just say, like it's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the kind of public land that in your head you're thinking, man,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard to get back to where
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I want to go without having to walk past this guy.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Either this guy is in there or he's gonna be
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: somewhere that I'm gonna have to walk right past or
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: in that zone. You know, would you say I'm going
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: for it anyways.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Or would you be would you bow out.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: M I'd probably I'd probably be trying to figure out
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: a way to get in there. Yeah, hopefully not walk
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: right underneath the guy. But if I had to, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: if there's like no other way to get in there,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: and I might, well, he's if say the say there's
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: like this access that you're like, all right, he's gotta
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: be back, I'm gonna walk by him, then I probably
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: wouldn't do it. But h if there's another way to
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: like loop in there and get back to the stuff
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: that I'm wanting to hunt, then I would.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I would go for it, because you know, who knows
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: he might be.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: He might be all the way back in there where
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: you're trying to go, or he might be just out
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: of sight out of the parking lot too. So if
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: there's a way that I think that I can get
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: in there without messing his hunt up too much, then
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I would do it. But if I knew I was
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: gonna have to walk right underneath of him. I'd I'd
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: stay out of there, but and probably and then i'd
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: probably come back the next day or two days later
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: and just I have all the way back in there.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: But yeah, those those can be tricky, and that's why
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: it's nerve wracking to hold up sometimes and not dive
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: all the way in. But that's just the risk you run,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: I guess on the public.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the truth. All right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: It's it's early October, and you are kind of doing
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: what you just described. You're kind of scout hunting your
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: way in, so you don't have anything pre mapped out,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you don't have something, you don't have a tree picked out.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: You're gonna kind of still hunt, slash scout your way
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: in until you find a.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Spot that looks really good. We'll say we're.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: In like like Illinois, Missouri kind of location, okay, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you're working your way through and you spot a buck
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: standing up in a brushy draw definitely looks like some
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: brushy kind of bedding cover.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: He's standing up.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He seems like, man, this could be a situation where
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I could move in closer, but he beds right back down,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and as you start working your way towards him, you
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: realize that the wind's a little bit swirling. Let's say
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it's kind of in a low spot and you're just
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: noticing the winds doing some funky stuff. What do you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: do in that scenario? Would you try to make a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: move on that deer right then and there? Or does
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: that does that kind of if you wind make you
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: be more conservative and make you want to do something different?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: How would you approach it?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And then let me let me paint just a little
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: bit more of the picture while you think, imagine he's
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: he's in this kind of low, brushy draw you saw
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: him bed down. I'm imagining like like briars, alders, willows
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: like that kind of just like kind of brushy low stuff.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And you've got like a couple different low rages that
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: kind of all drop down to this slight depression. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you've got some hard woods and then this brushy stuff
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: down there on the bottom where you just saw him
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: drop it, and maybe some grass mixed in there.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: That's your That's as best as I can give you.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, let's see what time What time frame was it?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: First week of October? First week of October?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, I'd probably if I started, Let's say
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I start diving down in there, and I'm starting to
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: get a little bit closer down into the hole that
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: he's in, and the wind starts getting a little funky
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: on me, I would I would probably back up. I
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: would for sure back up to wherever I got a
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: good solid wind, whatever direction it is, say it's back
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: in my face at that point, and then from there
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I would take a second and just look at the
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: whole situation, and I would take as much time as
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: I needed to try and figure out how to get
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: in there wherever I think he's going to come out at.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: I'd probably even look at the map. Even though I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: looking at the deer, I still look at the map
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: a bunch and think about, all right, where's he going
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: to go from?
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Right here? Is he going to come out?
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I think he's gonna come out to the north east,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: whatever it may be. And then I would then that's
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: when I would make my make my move on him,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: where I would probably early October, I'd probably want to
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: get within one hundred yards if I could, or closer,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: depending on the situation. If I could find a spot,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: say I could find a spot where maybe I just
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: keep bouncing a little bit and out of sight of him,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: and then I eventually find a spot where all right,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: the wind is coming right up this draw and it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: probably gonna hold all the way up this draw.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Then maybe I'd have a better.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Chance of just kind of easing straight down at him
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: and getting as close as I could. But that's the
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: thing whenever you and that's where they're at a lot
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: of times, wherever the wind is just doing like this.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: So uh, but that's also a fun situation to be
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: and if you have one spotted, then you can just
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: kind of, if you have enough time before he gets
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: up and gets out of there, just take a step
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: back and try and figure it out. I guess that's
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: the funniest part I think about hunting, and everything is
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: just all the strategy and like the chess match that
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: goes into it of stuff like that.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: But in that situation, I'd for sure, especially.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: If I'm on an out of state hunt and I
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: got eyes on a buck down in this bottom, I'd
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: be trying to do whatever I could to get within
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: killing destined of them.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: So it's okay, so you're throwing milkweed or something, checking
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: wind all the way, you get to a spot where, like, hey,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I actually think the wind might work here. You find
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: your spot that you just describe, which is as close
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: as you can get.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: But here's something that I've often debated.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: When you're in the situation where you know there's a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: buck better than there and it's kind of low brushy stuff,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: right so you can't see him right now, But if you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Get higher, can he see you?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I'm always I'm wondering at this point, do I just
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: hun the ground or do I try to slip in
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: some sticks and staddle and get up in the tree
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and give myself a slightly better position or slightly you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you know, just better circumstances. Would you risk trying to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: get up in a tree in that situation or just
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: stay on the ground and make sure that there's no
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: chance he sees you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: In that situation, I'd probably be staying on the ground,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: I think. But that's that's the thing. It's like hard,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: you know, if you're not actually looking at the whole deal.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I would it would be hard to decide what you're
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: gonna do.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: But I would.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I feel like I would probably stay on the ground
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: because I would I feel like i'd be maneuvering around
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: as much as I.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Needed to find the spot that I thought would work.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Like I'm imagining he's in this bowl right here, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: you got these little finger hedges that are kind of
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: dropping down all the way around pretty much, and that's
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: where I'd be like trying to figure out. I'd be
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: taking quite a bit of time, like like you said,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: dropping milkweed, trying to find that spot where maybe there's
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a more steady wind as I
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: get in there closer.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I think I would stay on the ground
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: because then.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Then if he does get up and he does something
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: a little different than what you thought, you might still
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: have a little bit of a chance to maneuver a
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: little bit, try and get in front.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Of him and.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Climbing up in the tree.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: If you climb up in the tree and you're in
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: sight of him, I think then you might blow him
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: out of there before he even gets up and does
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: whatever he's gonna do. So uh, and here's another here's another.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Thought on it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Say, say he gets up and does something a little
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: different than what I think, and it's like, oh boy,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: he's gonna he's gonna walk right up there and get
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: our or something.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Say, if I have.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: A chance to slip out of a drawl or something
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: and get out of there before you can can get
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: to our wind, then I would do that to you.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: And that'd be an advantage of being on the ground
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: because then you might have another chance at him the
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: next day if he's if he's in that same spot
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: or or somewhere close.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a follow up kind of similar to that I was.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I was wondering, and you know this is I've got
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: another question kind of around the same challenge. But but
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I'm curious what you would do in this specific scenario.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Imagine you did this, You found this spot, you found
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: this little draw where it's kind of sucking your wind down.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: You finally get that consistent wind. You set up on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the ground, you're happy with the situation. You're just counting
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: down and you're just waiting. It's it's three hours to dark,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it's two hours to dark, it's one hour to dark.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: And now you're thinking, like any minute now, this buck's
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: gonna get up and this thing's gonna happen. And then
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: at that one hour mark, your wind, your consistent wind
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: isn't consistent anymore. It starts doing the swirly thing that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: it was doing everywhere else. With it being the last
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: hour of daylight, are you like, I'm out and you
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: slip out of that draw some way, or do you say, well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: it's the last hour, you know, you know it is
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: what it is, and just play it out and see
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: How do you handle that?
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm, that's that's tough. I would probably at that
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: point being if it's the last hour and I'm thinking
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I'm in this right spot, but the wind is wrong,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: I would probably have a hard time. I would probably
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: have a hard time leaving, But I don't necessarily think
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: leaving is would be the wrong answer.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Well, you know how it is.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you get where the wind's like not always wrong,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like it's it's good for five minutes, and then five
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: minutes like I don't come out right now, but then
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: five minutes I was like, Okay, now if you came
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: right now, it would work, you know those.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Days, yeah, for sure.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: And there there so there was one hunt I'm thinking
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: of that's real similar to this, But it was in
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: the morning and this was out in Wyoming and me
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: and Greg had spotted this buck. He walks all the
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: way down this river bottom and walk it or we
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: watch him for a long time, lays down and he's
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: like right below us, and we're.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Up on like this it drops off.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: It's this big bluff, so we're like looking right down
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: at him, and uh. So we make our move and
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: get down in there, and it's the same same situation
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: you're talking about, except it's not it's not in the afternoon,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: so I don't know when this thing's gonna get up
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: or what he's gonna do. But we slip all the
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: way in there and get to like twenty yards of him,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and we're sitting there and all I can see is
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: like part of his rack, just sitting there, and it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: moving every once in a while, just a little bit.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And our wind was pretty consistent, like blowing parallel to him,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: I guess, And we sat there for a long time,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: like a couple hours, but our wind every once in
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: a while would make like this weird flipping around, and
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: he wouldn't spook.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: So we're like, all right, well, it must be all right.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: It must just be kind of swirling real quick, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: not getting to him getting out of there, So we
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: sat there and sat there and sat there, and he
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: never got up, and all of a sudden it did
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: the same thing. And then that time he caught us
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: and he was out of there immediately. So that's like
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: that's part of it too, Like running that risk.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: It's just a hard situation to make that decision, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: like that's the I feel like that's the difference a
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: lot sometimes is if I'm out of state and we're
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: on like the third day of the hunt at that point,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: and we're within twenty yards of this year, but our
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: wind is kind of acting a little funky, then at
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: that point, I'm I'm sticking it out. I'm gonna see
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: if he stands up or what he does, and if
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: I can, if you just all you had to do
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: is stand up for just a few seconds and then
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: I'd probably got a good shot at him.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: But at that point, yeah, I was.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: I was in there to It was either make or
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: break at that point, and we just had one gust
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: of wind that switched on us and you got us.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: But going back to your situation like you're talking about,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: in that, uh, I'm probably gonna stick.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: It out if I If I'm.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: In there in the spot that I want to be in,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: and our wind starts acting a little bit funky, I'd
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: probably be like, well, we're just gonna see what happens,
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: because in an hour, that wind could still switch quite
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: a bit. At that point, Yeah, like thermals might start dropping,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: and that might screw you too, But at least you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: you don't necessarily always know exactly what that wind's going
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: to do, so you might just stick it out a
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: little bit. Or I would maybe stick it out a
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: little bit longer and just see if see what what
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: might change, and maybe I can still have a chance
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: at that point, I guess.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But I feel like in these kinds of scenarios, especially
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: public or heavily pressure private, there are certain special scenarios
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: where sometimes you just got to risk it. Oh if
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you have eye, if you have eyes on a good buck,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: that's such a special thing, Like, oh, you don't.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Get eyes on a buck all that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Often where you know, oh, he's right here, Usually you're saying,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's here, right, I think he's there. But
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: when you know he's right there, you kind of got
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to just send it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: In a lot of cases, you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Got to go for it at that point.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: I think I think the same thing like you're saying,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: it's so hard to especially if you are watching him
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: stand up and lay back down. I mean, that's that's
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of times the best opportunity are going to
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: get So you might as well just stick it out
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: and see if you can make it happen, and that
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: that first first try at him, because chances are if you,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: chances are if you back out of there, say, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: maybe he doesn't get your win right off the bat,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: get a chance, he's gonna get up and walk out
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: of there and kind of be manning around and catch
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: your ground scent anyway and be somewhere else tomorrow. So
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: uh yeah, anytime you get in that situation, I feel
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: like you just got to try and make something work
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: and that that's that's a fun situation to be in too.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, I'm giving you a new one.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: These are are all kind of slight iterations and something
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: similar because I'm kind of riffing on things that you
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: guys often do.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So so again, let's let's say you're in Pennsylvania this
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: time mid October, and again you're you're working some relatively
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: new stuff. Like again, you're not hunting your back ford it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: This is like some stuff that you don't fully know.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: You map scouted it, you've you've thought about it, but
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you're gonna You're gonna do your kind of scout your
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: way in stage hunt is your plan. But as you
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: walk through, everything's kind of the same. There's like there's
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: a little rub here, there's a scrape here, there's some
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: trails here, but you know, let's stay. You start at noon,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and from noon to one it's still kind of that,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and from one to three it's still kind of there's
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit here, a little bit here. But nothing
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: is screaming. Nothing is like oh yes, Like you're not
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: bumping a bunch of doughs like you said earlier.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: You're not coming.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Across the red hot, huge scrape on the edge of
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: nasty thick cover. It's just kind of like open hardwoods,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: some mixed cover here and there. But nothing screams, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: screams like stop. Would you just keep scouting your way
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: in all the way till dark or will it be
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: like the last hour daylight? And you're finally like, all right, well,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: nothing seems good. I'm just gonna sit and watch for
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the last hour, like how would you handle that scenario
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: where you scout and never find the oh, flashing red
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: light stop here situation.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: In that situation, I would probably like I would keep
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: going until like probably an hour before dark or something.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: If I'm not finding exactly what I want to find
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: or whatever something that says, yeah, I better stop, I'd
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: probably just keep going and tell about an hour before dark,
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: and then I might just set up and just see
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: what happens, and maybe you just get lucky and catch
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: some deer movement at that point, because I mean, if
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: you're finding sign all the way up through somewhere and
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: maybe it's not anything crazy, I mean, there's probably good
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: amount of deer around, so you might as well just
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: set up and just see what happens, rather than just
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: keep walking and then next thing you know, you walk
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: up on a buck and blow.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Them out of there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: So I would probably just, yeah, scout until hour before dark,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: and maybe I found a scrape.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Or a rub or whatever it may be.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: I'd just set up on that and just kind of
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: see what happened and then and then regroup for the
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: next day and and try and figure out what I
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: what do I.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Want where do I want to adjust? To or what
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: do I want to do for the next day or two.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: But I feel like we run into that situation a
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: lot too, where it's like, especially out of state, where
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: you're like you keep walking and walking and walking, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: you're like nothing is making me want to stop. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: that's a hard situation to decide what to do, where
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: you're just like and at that point you're so frustrated
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: you've been walking or something, you're like, let's just let's
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: just throw up and stand and sit here, or just
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: sit on the ground and just see what happens. Yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, okay, So another scenario where I ran into
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: that same pretty much the same exact thing that you
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: just described. I ran into that last year in at Iowa,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: and I had been running trail or cell cameras all fall,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: and at this point it's like November third or something,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: so I mean, things are really going at that point.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: And I was me and Walker, who I was hunting with,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: we were not doing that well at that point. We
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: were like, could not get on deer. We were like
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: chasing cell cameras around get a big picture of a
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: big buck over here, and I'd be like, oh, we
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: got to go try that just like spread myself way
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: too thin where I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go hunt
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: over here, and then the next day I'm gonna go
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: hunt twenty miles over this way in a completely different
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: piece of public. So when this scenario came up, I
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: had pretty much just totally wrote off all the pictures
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: that I'd gotten or anything. I'm like, I'm not hunting
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: around cameras, not doing any of that. I'm just getting
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: We're going to go into this piece of public that
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: we hadn't hunted at that point in the fall.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: But I was like, We're just going to scout.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Away into it and see what happens, because we got
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: to just try something different at this point, basically, And
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: that was the situation that we walked in there.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: There was this big ridge system.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: Found like a little tiny rub here, found another little
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: rub over here, like.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Not much really, and.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: It was to a point where I was just like
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: so frustrated I couldn't find we did, weren't finding anything
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: that I was like, all right, yeah, let's set up
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: on this. And so I just ended up sitting down
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: on the ground up against his tree and it was
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: this huge bowl that kind of ran down. So we
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: could see good ways down through there, and it was
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: only forty minutes till dark, and it was cloudy that day,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: so it was probably less than that even and I
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: just sat down on a tree and we just kind
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: of sat there and took a break, and it was like,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: all right, well, probably not going to kill a deer tonight,
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: so he might as well just sit down and just
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: see what happens, and we probably not can see anything.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: We'll probably just walk out and regroup tomorrow.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: So we sit down and like five minutes goes by
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: and I look up and there's this huge buck standing
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: down in the clear, down in the bottom of the bowl,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, holy crap, walker, I'm like, there's a
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: big buck down here. And we just sit there and
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: I don't know what this buck was doing or anything,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: but I mean, he just was. He stood up and
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: then he laid back down, and that was the whole
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: rest of the afternoon. There was only like twenty minutes
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: or something of daylight at that point.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: And yeah, he just kind of laid there.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he had been shot or what.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: That's kind of what I thought after, but anyway, that
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: don't necessarily matter. But that's the situation that we were in,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Like we weren't finding anything that, you know, really tipped
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: us off to all right, we gotta sit right here.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: And I think sometimes that's the best thing you can do,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: just kind of sit down wherever. I mean, ideally you'd
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: make an actual setup. At that point, we were just
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: sitting up against a tree, but I just looked down
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: and there was a big Bucks standing there, and I'm like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: you know, there's obviously some deer around at that point,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: but nothing like scorching hot. And then the next day
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: we went in there same spot, didn't set up in
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: the same exact spot, but in the same general area,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: and we saw quite a few deer the next day.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, we saw a couple of little bucks, quite
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: a few dos, and so pretty decent hunt, I guess
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: the next day.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: But those are always some of them. It was frustrating.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Situations that I feel like I'll get in where you
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: just walk and walk and walk, and you just find
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: in these little tiny rubs or whatever, nothing too crazy.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: And I think if you're committed to that spot for
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: that afternoon, I think that's the best thing you can do.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: If you get down to the last hour hour and
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: a half daylight, just make it, make a decent setup
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: and see what happens, and maybe you'll learn something from that,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: or you might see it, might see some deer, so.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Or just practice some some zen self talk and try
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: to calm yourself down from the frustration the day.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Best thing you can do anyway, because otherwise you're going
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: to be your mind's going to be in a whirlwind
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: for the next day. If you can sit down and yeah,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: look at the map and try and at that point
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: just start coming up with a game plan for the
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: next day.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: A lot of times, but yeah, regroup a little bit.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think it hurts in those situations, just to
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: make some sort of setup and just see what happens, and.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, never know what what might go down.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: All right, So remember that first question I gave you
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: about having one day in August to go and do
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: like a twelve hour scout, right, Uh So let's let's
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: go back there. Let's say you did that one day
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of scouting and it was amazing, Like when you walked
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: through there, you were bumping deer all over the place.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: You bumped a one seventy.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Off a bed.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: You saw just ripped up old rubs from the year before.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: You found just like scorched earth, incredible looking activity. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you knew, like, man, when I come back in November,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: this place is going to be amazing. You drove around
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the last hour of daylight in the fields and the
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: surrounding agg and you saw a lot of deer, You.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Saw a bunch of good bucks.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Everything you could possibly ask for you saw in that
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: day of scouting. All Right, you return in November, first
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: week in November, and you pull up to that first
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: parking lot that you looked at in August.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: There's three cars there.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You pull up to the second car or the second
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: parking lot, there's a car there. You go to the
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: third parking lot, there's a car there. There's two guys
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: getting out some portable tree stands on the back tailgate
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of one of those trucks. Everywhere you go, you're seeing people.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Is that enough to like say, screw it, I'm gonna
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: go to some other property that we didn't get scouted
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: this summer? Or would you I guess, or what would
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: you do? What would you do in this scenario where
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the scouting was so exciting. You had such high hopes,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: but now you arrive and there's people everywhere.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: At that point, I'm probably I'm probably gonna I'd probably
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: back out and go somewhere else that I hadn't scouted,
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: maybe something that looks kind of similar to the have
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: tet that I did scout where I found all that
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: real good sign, but also I could see myself you say,
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: I did see all them people or whatever. I might
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: still try and find a little spot here or there
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: where I could slip in and just try it for
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: a day and just see what happens. Especially if there's
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: like you're saying, there's deer all over the place. I
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: would still probably do a little bit of driving around
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: looking for a spot where maybe there's not somebody at,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: or you know, just like a little pocketed ground where
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, where there's not somebody at and just
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: try it. But then that would be one where I
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: might try it for an afternoon, and if I don't
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: see some action or whatever, then I'm pulling the plug
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: probably pretty quick. But it's it is hard sometimes when
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: you find a spot that you're so excited about and
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: then you get back there and and then you just
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: got to be like, well, this probably isn't isn't the
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: best spot, so I'm just gonna bounce and head to
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: the next spot. But yeah, that that's probably what I
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: would do a lot of times. I mean, I feel
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: like the more you do it where it's like you
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: go on these hunts out of state and maybe you're
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: in a spot and you're just like hunting one day
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: after the next and not seeing what you want to see,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: and you'll just get to a point where you're like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: all right, yep, it's time to pull the plug. And
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: a lot of times that's an exciting thing to do,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: I think, because I feel like a lot of the
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: times will be you know, in this cycle of hunting
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: the same spot, not the same exact spot, but the
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: same public areas, say, and it's just not quite working,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: and then you say, all right, time to time to
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: head to the next spot. And I feel like a
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: lot of times that's when you that's when things turn
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: around for you.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: On that trip. Because we do that all the time
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: where we'll kind of.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Get married to a spot right off the bat and
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, this is gonna work, this is gonna work,
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: this is gonna work, and then it just doesn't and
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't doesn't.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: And then you're like, all right, gotta go.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh, I mean, I'm thinking in Oklahoma a
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: couple of years ago, me and Jake, we're hunting this spot.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: Everything looked really good, a lot of deer around, but
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: also a lot of people. And this was November time frame,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: like first week or two November, and we were hunting.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: Jake had actually shot a buck in that piece of
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: public that we started at, and we were seeing you know,
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: decent bucks here and there, but then we'd run into
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: people and we'd run into people, and then eventually we
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: were like, let's just ditch, just go try and find
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: something else. So we found ended up we were driving
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: like a long ways across the state. We were just
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: gonna go clear across the states some other some real
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: small chunks, and on the way there there was a
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: tiny little piece of public, or it looked tiny on
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: the map. It was a decent size once you got there,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: but uh no trees, hardly at all. Like nothing on
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: the map looked like trees or like a block of
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: woods or anything like that. And we just pulled in
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: there and got there like twenty minutes before dark and
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: started seeing bucks left and right, and then the next
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: day it got up and I ended up shooting one
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: there the very next morning. So that's that's where I
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: guess I feel like, uh like, especially if me and
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Jake go somewhere like that and then you're just not
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: seeing what you want to see, or you're just not
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: getting into quite as much as you want to. He's
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: pick up and move and and at some point running
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: to a spot and you're like, all right, yeah, this
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: is this is it now?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Location can make all the difference, No, for sure, Yeah
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: that's the truth. All right, Let's let's riff on this
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: just a little bit more, a little bit on like
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the dealing.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: With people situation.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Let's say that we'll stick in the same spot, so,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: same place you scouted in the summer, same place looked incredible.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Let's say you found just like that epic buck betting
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: kind of sound like like a buck now kind of spot.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: And you're gonna hunt it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: It's like late October, late October twenty third or twenty fourth.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Let's say that's when you return for this strip, first
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: time hunting it. You've got incredibly high hopes for it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: There's not a bunch of trucks at the parking lot
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: this time. So let's pretend that that last scenario didn't happen.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: So instead, you show up on the twenty fourth for
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the first time, no other trucks, The buck nest or
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: whatever looks.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Like, Man, this is gonna be great.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: You slip in, you get tight, relatively tight to it,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: sky high.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: This is it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And three hours before dark, here comes another hunter and
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: he goes past you, even closer to the buck bedding.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Let's say like you can't see. Let's say like there's
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Gap between where you are and where you think those
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: bucks are. He walks by withinside of you and goes
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: past you. What do you do in that scenario?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Do you hunt it? Do you bail and go try
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: to find something new?
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: If I'm already you're saying up in there.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yep, you're in a tree. Let's say you're up in
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: your saddle and he goes past you. It goes deeper
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: than you, but you know that he went right into
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the hole. He's in there somewhere.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: I'm probably I'm probably gonna hunt it for at that point,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna stay in there and just see what happens,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: because maybe he walks in there and bumps one out
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: of there and it comes right by me. But yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: I'd probably stay in there at that point for at
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: least a little bit longer, a couple hours or whatever,
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: and just try it. But then if I'm just sitting
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: there and just can't get that guy going in there
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: out of my mind, then at that point I would
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: probably be like, I, uh, let's go try something different.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: I don't like that at that point. But if he
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: walked in there, yeah, I'd probably sit it it didn't
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: work out, then then at that point that's when i'd regroup.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: After maybe a couple hours, especially if it's getting to
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: that time of the year, like October twenty fourth, then
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: I would I'd be more likely to stick stick it
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: out in there for a little bit longer and just
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: see what happens, because you never know, and him walking
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: in there maybe that works to your advantage.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: I guess, uh yeah, but yeah, But.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: Then at that point, if it didn't work out, if
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: I was there for the whole rest of the afternoon
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: and he had walked in there past me, then I
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: probably wouldn't be coming back. I'd probably I'd probably climb
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: down and make an adjustment, go somewhere else, try something different.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: At that point, yep, makes sense.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's fast forward back to the rut and
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: you are set up in a location that is just
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: screaming hot with rut sign, fresh rubs, fresh scrapes, and
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: you ran this terrific little like terrain pinch point. Maybe
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: it's a saddle and a ridge and there's a creek crossing,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: and there's several different things that make this seem like
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: a dyamite rut spot. You sit it the entire day,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: don't see a single deer. Day two, you go back
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: and keep hunting it, or because everything else looks so great,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: or is a full day with zero deer enough for
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: you to say, screw this, I'm looking for something new.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Mmmm. That's I would probably I would.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I would probably want to try it again, especially if
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: I was in there didn't see anybody else, then I
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: would want to try it again.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: If I if I.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: Was in there and then let's say I saw somebody
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: else walking by me or something like that, and I
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: didn't see any deer, then yeah, I'd probably be bailing out,
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: going trying something different, trying to find the action but yeah,
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: if I if there was a bunch of sign in there,
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: I'd be trying that spot again. Maybe not that exact spot,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: but I would. I would be coming back back in
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: there the next day and uh maybe hunt that same
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: spot in the morning, the same tree even And if
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: that that didn't work out, then I'd be getting down
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: and doing some walking around in there looking for the
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: next setup that I think would work and try that.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: And I think that's I think that's the whole thing
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: about the rut too. Like if you're in a spot
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: like that where there's tons of sign and you're not
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: seeing really good action, or maybe not really good action,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: but you're not seeing a little bit of action, you
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: gotta get down and and go try and find it
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: because otherwise, I mean, that's that's what happened to us
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: this year, same thing. Like I me and Walker scattered
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: this spot one day and it was like October twenty ninth.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Tons of sign in there, crazy, I mean, like rubs
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: and scrapes everywhere coming right out of this block of
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: thick covered and I'm like, yeah, I mean we were
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: both standing there like this is the spot, but we
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: didn't hunt it that day because it was super warm
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: that afternoon, and I wanted to just bounce around and
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: find a bunch of different spots to go back to
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: because we were about to have some really good weather
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: coming up. So I'm like, all right, let's just scout
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: find spots, mark spots, and won't come back and hunt them.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: So I hang a trail camera in there that afternoon,
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: and right at dark, two big bucks come right in
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: front of the trail camera, which is.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Right where I would have set up.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: If I didn't hang the camera there, I would have
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: just set up there hunted on that trail that they
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: walked out on. So the next day we go in there,
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: hunt it the whole day, and we saw one small
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: buck all day I think, and had one guy while
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: in on us.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Before daylight. So that's the spot.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: That was going through my mind as you were going
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: through that situation, I guess. And so at that point,
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: I'm like, that was a hard spot for me to leave,
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: to pick up and leave because I had just gotten
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: two really nice bucks on here the day before. So
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: we hunted all day, don't see anything, and I think,
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: I want to say, we went back in there the
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: next morning and try it one more time, and didn't
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: see nothing. And then from there we were like, all right, nope,
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: we're pulling the plug on this.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: We're not coming back. And kind of the.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Crazy thing is I didn't hardly have anything on that
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: trail camera either after that. So but in that situation,
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: what we did was we backed out after giving it
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: a full day and then next morning or something like that,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: and then we just started bouncing around either in the car,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: in the boat, whatever, and then we started getting back
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: on deer after that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: So that was once.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: That was one scenario where it was like, uh, I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: mean crazy good sign in there, just had picture of
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: two bucks go through there the day before, hunted it
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: for the whole next day, next morning, whatever, and just
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: it was just completely dead in there. And then that's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: when we pulled the plug after that. But that was hard.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: I remember that being really hard for me to be like,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: all right, we got to go try something else because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: this wasn't it wasn't working.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: So but yeah, what about.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: A slight variation on that.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Let's say like you've got this amazing spot and you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: go in there and you set up and let's say
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: it's like it's like a tight kind of location where
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you because of the creek crossing. Because of the way
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: the funnels, you really feel confident, like, man, if a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: deer comes through here, he's gonna come through here at
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the X. And so you set up in range of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: the X, and it's kind of a funky tree to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: get up into, but once you're up in there, it's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: like great cover, perfect shooting range of the AX. Like
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you are feeling very very confident. The sign is incredible.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: But as the day progresses, let's say the first couple
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: hours of daylight, you see a bunch of deer and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: three bucks all come through, but they're all like twenty
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: yards out of range.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: For whatever reason, you felt like the X.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: That you thought was where they would all be, they're
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: just doing something slightly off of that, and they're you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: they're out at fifty yards every single time. These three
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: bucks that all came through at different times, they're all
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: just out of range.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Do you move in any kind of way.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: After the first few hours or do you say, wow,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: you know this is this still should work eventually?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Do you stick it out?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Do you shift your location by twenty yards or what
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: do you do in that scenario after you've seen three
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: bucks pass through just out of range, even though everything
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: else looks so good.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: That at that point, yeah, I'd be getting down and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: moving over there.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Wherever I'd seen them all going through, I'd be If
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: I saw a coup, it would probably be one or
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: two or two or three bucks.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: If they two or three bucks went through the same spot, yeah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: I'd be climbing down and getting over.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: There for for the rest of the day. Probably.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: But uh yeah, which that's a good that's a great
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: scenario to be in too. I think like, even if
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: you are sitting there thinking how they should come right
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: through here, then you see several of them do the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: same thing, it's like, oh yeah, I'm getting right over
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: there and sitting it out. And then that's when you'd
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: move over there, and then you'd hear something behind you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: and you'd look back and one be walking right.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what true.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, that's so true.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: When when would you make that move? Would you let's say,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: like the third buck moves through. In your head, you're like, okay,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I gotta move, but it's nine o'clock. Do you move,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: like as soon as that bucks out of sight, I'm
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: doing it right away? Or are you gonna wait till
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: a certain time of day when you think the least
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: do your activity is going to be your when do
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: you decide to pull that plug and actually physically tear
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: everything down.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: I I would probably as soon as that third buck
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: went through, I'd probably be climbing down as fast as
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: I could to get over there. I think, because and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: that's that's uh, yeah, that's one of those decisions where
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: it's like you sit there and hesitate just a little bit,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: and you're like, should I move or should I not?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: It'd be like, I mean, it'd be hard. It's hard
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: to make that decision to do it because any next
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: thing you know, you're climbing down one another one's coming
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: spook him. But I think it's I think if you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: especially if you see like three of them do that, Yeah,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: I'd be climbing down as fast as I could to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: get over there. And maybe you don't even maybe you
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: don't even move over there and climb a tree if
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: you're real worried about like you say, it's like you said,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: nine o'clock in the morning and in the middle of
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: the rut or something. Yeah, I would be like getting
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: over there as fast as I could, and maybe I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: wouldn't even climb a tree at that point, because because
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: that's another situation where it's like then you're leaving yourself.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: As long as it takes you to climb the tree
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: and get everything set up, that's even more time that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: you're taking to not be ready to shoot one if
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: it walks down that trail. So I'd just be probably
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: getting over there and trying to find a set up
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: on the ground somewhere to where I don't have to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: mess around with anything, you know, the least amount of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: time as I could. I'd just dive in there and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: get ready to to shoot.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: The next one that walked down to there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes sense, That makes sense. All right, Ted,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: We're gonna shift to the last little section of this gunlet,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: which is which is like a quick rapid fire session here.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna give you a question.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: You have to give me your like gut instinct answer
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: one word answers only, and then we're gonna run through
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: like five of these real.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Quick one word all right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I'll give you like an option this
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: or this, and then you choose. All right, so does
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: the moon impact deer movement?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Yes? Or no? Uh? I have.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Honestly, I have no idea, so.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: I really don't know.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: I've paid attention to it. I know this isn't a
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: one word answer, but I've paid attention to it a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: little bit, but not enough to actually have my opinion
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: on it where I'm like, oh, oh, yeah for sure
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: or no.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I think maybe yeah, but I don't know for sure.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: That's the thing though. Here's the thing.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: I don't ever pay attention to it because I'm gonna
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: go I'm lucky to do what I do, so I'm like,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: I'm going hunting every day anyway, so I never really
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: pay that much attention to it. I think if I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: had limited time to hunt, I would pay a lot
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: more attention to it, just because I think that might
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: give me an advantage of I'm gonna take this day
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: to get out there and hunt or whatever. If there's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: these if there is a moon phase that's going through
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: that looks good, you know, if I've seen that work before.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I just don't pay attention to it enough
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: to say yes or no. I guess all right, I'll
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: do one word answers from now on.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: I'll try.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: You gotta free pass on that one.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a while,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I tell with your bow yes or no?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Uh? Say no?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: But if you if you could only have one of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: these for the rest of your hunting life, which would
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: you choose? You have to pick either rattling antlers or
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: a grunt tube.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: Grunt tube.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Spannable or fixed blade broadheads for the rest of your life?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, fixed blade?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Should you stop a moving buck with some kind of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: sound before shooting?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Yes? Or no?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: If you could pick only one of these times to scout,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: so you only get one of these windows for your
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: scouting for the whole year, which would you take? You
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: can scout like winter, spring, you can scout summer, or
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: you can have in season. Which of those three would
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: you pick? You can only pick one?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Uh? Probably in season?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: If you had to get a buck killed, doesn't matter
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: how old of a buck, doesn't matter how big a buck.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: But a buck has to die today and you could
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: pick only one THHP team member to do it. So
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: who's the one who'd give you the very best chance
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: to get any any caliber buck but a buck dead
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: on the ground. Who would be the team member you'd pick?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: They give you your best bet to get one and dead.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Ah gosh, I'll say, Jake.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Now, here's one where you don't need to have just
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: one word. You can give me like a full explanation here. Okay,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that I rule the world.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: I have control of your hunting privileges now okay, and
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take away your ability to hunt for
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: the rest of your life unless you kill a mature
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: buck this year. You gotta kill a mature buck this year.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: If you do, then you can keep on hunting. If
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: you don't, you don't get down anymore. This is very
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: high stakes. Here's the problem. You only get one day
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: to do it, and you get one location to do it,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: like a specific ambush location like this tree or this
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: spot on the ground or whatever. You get to pick
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: what date on the calendar you think would give you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: your best chance, and then you need to describe to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: me what that perfect spot would be that you would
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  Speaker 2: want to spend this one day at to kill this
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  Speaker 2: very important buck.
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  Speaker 3: Pick your date, tell me about the spot.
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  Speaker 2: It can be an imaginary hypothetical spot, or you could
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  Speaker 2: think of an actual place that you think is amazing
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  Speaker 2: for that day, and.
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  Speaker 5: Describe that I mean, I'll tell you, I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: can take up one right away.
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  Speaker 4: It's the buck that I shot last year.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, it was November eights and we were in a
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  Speaker 5: spot where.
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  Speaker 4: There is.
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  Speaker 5: Some It was just a draw. So it was like
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  Speaker 5: a perfect draw. It was probably eighty yards wide, maybe
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  Speaker 5: one hundred yards wide, and there was crp out on
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  Speaker 5: the left side and then just like some nasty thick
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  Speaker 5: stuff on the right side, just like honeysuckle and stuff
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  Speaker 5: that you pretty much just have to crawl through, and
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  Speaker 5: most or a lot of surrounding area was like that.
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  Speaker 4: It was like a lot of.
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  Speaker 5: Really really thick cover, basically like stuff you think about
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  Speaker 5: going rabbit hunting.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, so that was the day that it was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we.
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  Speaker 5: Were seeing bucks left and right, and a couple of
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  Speaker 5: really big bucks and then but it was just like
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  Speaker 5: the perfect scenario. It was early in the morning, thermals
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  Speaker 5: were dropping back down behind us, and no, there wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a single deer that got her wind or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: But that would be my that would be my choice
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  Speaker 5: of day and and where I would sit because we've
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  Speaker 5: seen some deer in that spot years before too, on
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  Speaker 5: that same exact day.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that'd be where I go.
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  Speaker 3: What makes what makes that spot so incredible?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's just because of that thick, nasty
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  Speaker 2: cover and then kind of like a relatively tight pinch
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  Speaker 2: with the draw? Is it the fact that wind sucks
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  Speaker 2: down there?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 3: What makes that so good? Do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I think that.
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  Speaker 5: I think that it's a spot where there's oh so
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  Speaker 5: much of that thick cover where I don't think, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: let me say here, I don't think there's bucks there
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  Speaker 5: all year.
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  Speaker 4: Round, Like, I don't even think.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that there's necessarily a buck that's living
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  Speaker 5: there really in the season or anything, because there's not
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  Speaker 5: like a whole bunch of food around or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: It's just tons of super super thick cover all around it.
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  Speaker 5: And I think there's a lot of doze in there.
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  Speaker 5: So I think there's doze in there probably most of
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  Speaker 5: the year. And then as the rut gets ramped up,
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  Speaker 5: since there are so many does there, uh you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's more does that come into heat and whatever in
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  Speaker 5: that specific spot, and then the bucks just kind of
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  Speaker 5: have these little travel spots that they kind of work through.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, so I'm trying to think about it even
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  Speaker 5: further further in detail than that, But I think that's
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  Speaker 5: the main thing. Just like tons of doze in.
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  Speaker 4: There, not a.
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  Speaker 5: Lot of people around there, and eventually as the rut
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  Speaker 5: gets ramped up, I think since there are so many
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  Speaker 5: dos there, you get this, you know, movement of or
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  Speaker 5: more consistent movement of bucks going through there, checking for
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  Speaker 5: checking scent or whatever. Because I mean we were in
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  Speaker 5: there for like two days this year, and I don't
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  Speaker 5: know that we saw the same buck twice. It was
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  Speaker 5: like several different bucks. Every time we'd see one, it
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  Speaker 5: was a different by. So yeah, which was that was
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  Speaker 5: pretty cool. But that's that's where I'd go if I
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  Speaker 5: had to pick a spot to in a day, That's
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  Speaker 5: where I go.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds sounds of my kind of spot, like this sounds
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  Speaker 3: of it. Well, Ted, you passed, you survived the the
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  Speaker 3: what would you do? Gauntlet?
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  Speaker 2: Before I let you go, though, could you could you
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  Speaker 2: give folks just any kind of preview that that folks
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  Speaker 2: would be looking forward to? Are there any like really
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  Speaker 2: exciting trips you guys have coming up? Is there anything
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  Speaker 2: new coming up with THHB any sific projects or places
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  Speaker 2: or anything you want us to check out?
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  Speaker 5: We got well this year, the hunt that I drew
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  Speaker 5: an elk tag this year, so I'm pretty excited about that.
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  Speaker 4: And then we.
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  Speaker 5: Got some some more unique trips out west, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: some Muzzloder hunts and stuff like that coming up. So
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  Speaker 5: kind of a kind of a fun fall coming up.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like Warb's got an elk tag down in Arizona,
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  Speaker 5: so it seems like there's going to be a wide
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  Speaker 5: variety of of different types of hunts this year coming up.
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  Speaker 5: So I think we're all pretty excited about this fall
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  Speaker 5: just because just for that reason, because there's more drawn
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  Speaker 5: hunts and like different types of hunts than what we're
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  Speaker 5: doing a lot of the time, I guess, So it
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  Speaker 5: should be a pretty fun, pretty fun fall, pretty diverse
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  Speaker 5: type of hunting, nice going on the whole fall.
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  Speaker 3: Nice to have that kind of change, a change of
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  Speaker 3: pace sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, this season, oh for sure, it'll be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking forward to following long Ted. I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: to appreciate everything you guys do. Appreciate you taking time
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  Speaker 2: here today to talk through all this without a doubt
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  Speaker 2: has got me more fired up than even before.
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready to get after it. Yeah, anyday, just a
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  Speaker 3: few more weeks and it'll be just about here.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. I'm excited about it, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Ted, Well, thank you and good luck this season.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you to you, all right, and that's a wrap
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  Speaker 2: for today's show. Appreciate you joining me. I thoroughly enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: this chat with Ted. I'm very excited for next week.
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  Speaker 2: We have a really really good slate this month of
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  Speaker 2: folks that are gonna be running through these hypotheticals. There's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be some some other public land warriors kind of
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  Speaker 2: like Ted, and then there's gonna be some private land
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  Speaker 2: guys and everything in between. So it's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: Stick around, stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Great month, and then before we know it, hunting season
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  Speaker 2: is going to be here. So until next time, thanks
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  Speaker 2: for tuning in and stay wired to hunt.
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  Speaker 4: H