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Normally Podcast: GOP Challenges, Election Day Insights, and Media Controversies · Normally

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  Speaker 1: I didn't hear back on normally the show with normal,
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  Speaker 1: which takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Haham, and I'm Carol Markowitz. Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 2: Is Halloween your favorite holiday?
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  Speaker 3: It's not my favorite holiday, but it's second to Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Second to Christmas? That makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like very close.
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  Speaker 2: You really bring it.
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  Speaker 3: I try.
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  Speaker 2: I mean over the years, your costume is just incredible.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know who you were this last one, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people were very impressed with you after
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  Speaker 2: I posted the picture of us together on my Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad, Yes we were. For those who
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  Speaker 1: didn't see the picture, we'll put it on our socials.
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  Speaker 1: But we were two of the characters from The Great
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  Speaker 1: British Baking Show, So Prue and Noel my husband and I.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, I inexplicably found a man who is
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  Speaker 1: very into the same things I'm into. So that was
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  Speaker 1: like one of the reasons we got together is when
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  Speaker 1: we first started dating, I was like, wait, you want
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  Speaker 1: to put together a costume because I want to put
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  Speaker 1: together Let's do it together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, mister giant shoulders in the gym all the time
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  Speaker 1: is like, yes, I will nitpicked your costume for accuracy.
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  Speaker 3: It's a cuss play.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, he's so awesome. I mean, I have only met
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  Speaker 2: your husband a few times, but I just every time
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  Speaker 2: he's around, he is so much fun and you guys
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  Speaker 2: are just fantastic together.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good dude. He's a good dude. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well we pulled it off. The kids kind of freelanced
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  Speaker 1: this year, so I let them do their own thing.
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  Speaker 1: And my four year old, I don't know if I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: was poop Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: She was poop yep.
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  Speaker 2: She picked it and she wanted it, and you guys
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  Speaker 2: are awesome.
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  Speaker 3: We made it happen. So anyway, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Halloween is over. I felt like, even though it
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  Speaker 2: was only Friday, went on through the weekend. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like everybody was just drunk and high on chocolate. I
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  Speaker 2: picked up all the wrappers around my house on Saturday
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  Speaker 2: and then did it all again on Sunday. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know where they blew in from, but.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well.
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  Speaker 1: My husband is also he's like a sweetz aholic. We
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  Speaker 1: don't really keep stuff in the house in general, so
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  Speaker 1: when Halloween hits, like you got he handed out the
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  Speaker 1: candy a couple of years in a row, and I
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  Speaker 1: would come back to the house and be like, what's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with you?
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  Speaker 3: And he had just oh deed.
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  Speaker 2: And for the child, one for me, handful for the kids.
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  Speaker 3: We don't leave them along with it.
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  Speaker 2: So well, y well, we're on to the next holiday,
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  Speaker 2: which of course is election day.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: We are recording it the day before election day. This
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  Speaker 2: will be released on election Day across the country. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not looking very good.
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  Speaker 3: It's not.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say, and I said this on the show,
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  Speaker 2: I think last episode or two episodes ago, if it's
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  Speaker 2: even close, I think Republicans should be happy about that.
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  Speaker 2: It is tough times out there for Republicans in these
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  Speaker 2: particular races. Two are in deep blue New Jersey and
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  Speaker 2: New York City, very deep blue. One is in a
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  Speaker 2: purply angry state that's mad about the shutdown right now,
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  Speaker 2: which is of course home state of Virginia. These are
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  Speaker 2: not going to be easy for Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: No, and I'm getting wildly conflicting messages about early voting
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  Speaker 1: and turnout that I'm trying to reconcile with each other. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I will say that even though it is an uphill
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  Speaker 1: battle in Virginia. Republicans are making a good showing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: certainly a respectable showing in the early voting totals compared
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  Speaker 1: to other years. Youngkin's great contribution to the Virginia GOP.
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  Speaker 1: Among many other things, He's been a very good governor,
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  Speaker 1: but is to have increased the party's capabilities when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to getting people out to vote when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to running up totals in rural areas, which had not
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  Speaker 1: been done well previous to that, particularly trying to answer
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  Speaker 1: the urban surges during the Obama years. So I do
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  Speaker 1: think I saw somebody say that in all the polling
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  Speaker 1: that shows, obviously we'd like the AG race to turn
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  Speaker 1: out a Republican win, just to keep the guy who
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  Speaker 1: wants me and my children dead off of out public office, who,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, was on stage at the Obama rally.
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  Speaker 1: Right Obama was like, we should be able to disagree
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  Speaker 1: without disrespecting each other, and then there's mister kill everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, we'd like that to be a win.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a stat that was encouraging that is, like,
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  Speaker 1: if span Berger, who is the top of the ticket,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't win by eleven plus, the AG race goes Republican,
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  Speaker 1: she can't drag him across the line.
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  Speaker 3: So if we could keep it.
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  Speaker 2: Dight, keep it dight? Is she pulling eleven plus? I
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  Speaker 2: feel like everything I've seen has her seven or eight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's more like kissing double digits, but not
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  Speaker 1: quite there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Virginia, you know what to do New
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  Speaker 2: York City. I just have so many friends who are
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  Speaker 2: so hopeful that Cuomo was going to pull it out,
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  Speaker 2: And I mean maybe every time, you know, I can't
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  Speaker 2: like you. I'm parsing these early vote totals, like, oh, look,
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  Speaker 2: the Hasidic Jewish communities have really come out in the
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  Speaker 2: early voting days. But like, I don't know that city's
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  Speaker 2: super blue. I think a lot of people walk into
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  Speaker 2: the booth and vote either Republican or Democrat. And Cuomo
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  Speaker 2: is running on the third party line, Like we have
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  Speaker 2: to like he's also my mom, and be like, you
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  Speaker 2: can't go in and vote Republican. You have to vote.
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  Speaker 2: You have to find Andrew Como on his weird third
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  Speaker 2: party line.
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  Speaker 3: That's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: His ballot placement is very bad. He's stuck in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of a second row. Yeah, I should also note
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  Speaker 1: that for Republicans, and this is something that again Youngkin
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  Speaker 1: has worked on correcting for but four Republicans because of
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  Speaker 1: the realignment of the kind of voters Republicans get.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Republicans have.
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  Speaker 1: Lower propensity voters, which means they are less likely to
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  Speaker 1: come out in an off year election. The suburban moms
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  Speaker 1: are the put it on your calendar, do all the
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  Speaker 1: things for make sure that we show up every single
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  Speaker 1: time there's a vote.
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  Speaker 3: Young male new voters.
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  Speaker 1: Not as likely to be showing up every time. So
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  Speaker 1: that is a sort of an evolution in the party
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  Speaker 1: that does cause problem. And these off your elections if
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  Speaker 1: you're not working really hard to get people out, and
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  Speaker 1: credit to Yankin and Scott Pressler and others who.
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  Speaker 3: Do the hard work on the ground to make that happen.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely Republicans need to like put a voting booth in
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  Speaker 2: the toilet paper aisle where you buy like the single
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  Speaker 2: pack of toilet paper that single men go for, like
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  Speaker 2: because again suburban moms ordering it on Amazon, getting like
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  Speaker 2: a four month pack, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, and then like the single heat up meals like
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  Speaker 1: those are that's this is ours, this is our area.
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  Speaker 1: I should note also just for y'all's education. That California
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  Speaker 1: is of course considering Proposition fifty. That's their their their
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  Speaker 1: constitutional amendment to change the way that they do redistricting
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  Speaker 1: so that they can have more democratic seats. Voters in
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  Speaker 1: Texas will decide whether to amend the constitution to say
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  Speaker 1: that persons who are not citizens of the United States
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  Speaker 1: cannot vote in Texas. I'm sure the Libs find this
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  Speaker 1: very controversial. In Maine, they're doing some voting changes. There's
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  Speaker 1: a gun law question on Maine's ballot. Parental rights in Texas,
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  Speaker 1: an amendment that would affirm that parents are the primary
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  Speaker 1: decision makers for their children and a couple, like environmental
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  Speaker 1: things other places, but those are the Nothing is dominating
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  Speaker 1: the ballot measures this year. There's no big theme like
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  Speaker 1: there's in the past. It's been abortion related stuff, right
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  Speaker 1: this year, not a big theme.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just do hate Donald Trump. If so,
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  Speaker 2: come vote for the Democrats. That's that's where they are
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  Speaker 2: right now, which is not a bad place to be
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of these people do hate Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: and want to send a message. So there will be
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  Speaker 2: that message. I think I mentioned in a previous episode
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  Speaker 2: that Miami is having an election and a I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to call her far left because it does dilute
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  Speaker 2: the term because she's not an AOC, she's not his
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  Speaker 2: arm I'm Donnie. But for Florida, she's pretty left. Is
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  Speaker 2: leading in the polls, and there's like a mayoral race.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mayoral race. It's different than New York City
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  Speaker 2: because Miami has like six mayors and it's not just
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's going to run like three neighborhoods basically
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  Speaker 2: if she wins, but it's still important. But there's like
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  Speaker 2: ten candidates running and one of them is endorsed by
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  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis. It looks like this woman, Eileen versus I
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  Speaker 2: believe his name is Gonzales are going to be in
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  Speaker 2: a runoff together. And then at that point it's also
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  Speaker 2: non part is an election. I should know. They're not
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  Speaker 2: running on party lines, so it's different. But again, if
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  Speaker 2: a liberal or a leftist or whatever somewhere between wins
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  Speaker 2: mayor of Miami, that does kind of slow down Republican
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  Speaker 2: momentum going into the midterms. It's a small, nothing race,
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  Speaker 2: but it sends a message that the Democrats, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who have been massively unpopular in the last year. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: are mounting a little bit of a comeback.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we shall see.
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in what do you think of Obama showing
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  Speaker 1: up at the end in New Jersey?
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  Speaker 3: So funny he went to New Jersey too, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he did? Yeah, you know, like you said, his
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  Speaker 2: whole like we have to be better, do each other thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like I see him as the most divisive president. He
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  Speaker 2: is the one who I feel like split us apart
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  Speaker 2: in a way that we haven't been able to recover from.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't George W. Bush. It was not George W.
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  Speaker 2: Bush who did that. It was Barack Obama. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it means that they think it's closer. But
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  Speaker 2: if it's not close, is he not going to come?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about him is it's such a myth that
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  Speaker 1: he has coattails, right he is. He is an important
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  Speaker 1: figure and then a party, but he has never really
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  Speaker 1: brought people across the line in the way that they
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  Speaker 1: sort of pretend he does when they're like we're bringing
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  Speaker 1: in the big guns and it's like okay.
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  Speaker 3: But while he was in office, you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Lost thousands lots of things, thousands.
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  Speaker 1: Of seats where he was speaking, and then I think
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  Speaker 1: for me, you know, I've always frequently seen through Obama's
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  Speaker 1: rhetoric about how we should all.
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  Speaker 3: Be good to each other.
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  Speaker 1: But standing on the stage and giving that speel the
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  Speaker 1: same stage that the Ages nominee who wants to shoot
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  Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House and Replican Speaker of the
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  Speaker 1: House in Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, enough enough, sir. Yeah, I like that. It means
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  Speaker 3: that they are nervous.
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  Speaker 1: It's closer, right, Yeah, It's closer than they want it
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  Speaker 1: to be, which again.
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  Speaker 2: Would be huge. All of these races matter obviously for
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  Speaker 2: the people living in those places, but on a national level,
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  Speaker 2: what these races matter for really is to see where
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  Speaker 2: the midterms are headed. And I think they'll give us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a preview. Again, it's probably going
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  Speaker 2: to be a Democratic sweep, but it has to be
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  Speaker 2: a democratic sweep. If it's not a Democratic sweep, Democrats
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  Speaker 2: in a world of hurt going into the midterms. Again,
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  Speaker 2: if it's close, that that's very good for Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: Can I also say too, by the way, when some
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  Speaker 1: seiarus has been doing the work on the ground, she's
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: been trying to take advantage of all these insane Northern
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  Speaker 1: Virginia school board policies which are just awful. There's tons
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: of controversies going on. Are Soros funded prosecutor in my
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  Speaker 1: county that just lets people out willy nilly all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Didn't do that I would.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to say. I read a New Yorker
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  Speaker 1: piece that was like, Abigail Spenberger thinks that Democrats need
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  Speaker 1: to listen more, and it's like, Okay, again, she's posing
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  Speaker 1: as the normy savior, and I think that if she wins,
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  Speaker 1: it's not by virtue of being normy, unless by being
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  Speaker 1: normy you just mean she's not mom Dannie.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be a low bar that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Democrats are going to celebrate clearing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think she actually wants to listen.
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  Speaker 1: She hasn't moderated on gender issues, She hasn't been willing
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  Speaker 1: to speak up about any of these controversies, things that
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  Speaker 1: are again eighty twenty issues. She just keeps her mouth shut.
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  Speaker 1: She wants the state to be a sanctuary state at
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  Speaker 1: some level, she's like, doesn't want to cut that off.
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  Speaker 1: And then she was asked this weekend if she would
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  Speaker 1: work with Trump on like job development and making sure
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  Speaker 1: that Virginas have jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Here's her answer to that.
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  Speaker 1: You position yourself as a consensus builder, someone who works
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  Speaker 1: across the aisle.
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  Speaker 3: Would you work with President Trump on areas like job creation?
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  Speaker 4: I think that you know you don't work with the
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  Speaker 4: arsonist who burns down the house to rebuild it, and
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  Speaker 4: in this particular case, on the individual who's responsible for
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  Speaker 4: an absolute attack on the federal workforce is not the
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  Speaker 4: right person to help rebuild our economy.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to work with Donald Trump? No? No,
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  Speaker 2: definitely not.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of her sort of mythos.
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  Speaker 1: She did win in a swing district in Virginia that
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of rural area in it, But I
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  Speaker 1: have been surprised how unimpressive she is on the trail
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  Speaker 1: at moments like this. And her whole claim to fame
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  Speaker 1: is that in twenty twenty, in a private discussion with Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: she said, like, we need to lean away from this
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  Speaker 1: defund the police craziness. Yeah, good point, Representative Spanburger. That
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  Speaker 1: was a leaked conversation. She didn't say that all. I
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  Speaker 1: just think her credits and the normy area are not
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  Speaker 1: as strong as people will suggest they are.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because it's usually for Democrats. It's like the
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  Speaker 2: private conversations are further to the left. She has to
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  Speaker 2: pretend to be more of a leftist than she is
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  Speaker 2: to get elected. That's great, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, we will cure it on those results when we
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  Speaker 1: have them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back with more on normally. We
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: are back on normally, with a little infighting on the right,
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  Speaker 2: although I don't love the way that sounds because I
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: don't consider some of the people involved to be on
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: the right anymore or ever. Really, last episode, we talked
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  Speaker 2: about Tucker Carlson having white supremacist Nick Fuentes. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know what to call him, white supremacist, just racist,
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  Speaker 2: anti semitic, very misogynistic, just a gross human on his show.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: He softballed Tucker, gave him softball questions and really kind
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  Speaker 2: of tried to normalize fuents This story would have maybe
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: started to die down. I mean, how long can we
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: talk about a podcaster having another podcaster on his show.
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  Speaker 2: Tucker's been heading in a really dark direction. As I
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  Speaker 2: like to say, I was a big fan of Tucker
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  Speaker 2: when he was a conservative. I don't really see any
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: conservative values from him anymore. He makes fun of Trump
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  Speaker 2: administration accomplishments like no boys in girls' sports, or he
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  Speaker 2: opposed the strike on Iran, which listen, I get it,
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  Speaker 2: you could oppose, but he thinks there was a failure,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry. It just there's no way you could
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  Speaker 2: see it like that. The new news that happened is
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  Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation, which is a storied conservative organization, has
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  Speaker 2: into this debate. This story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Heritage, by the way, sort of got it
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: is known best or it's sort of its origin story
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: was that a couple of conservatives were like, we need
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: something that actually creates Paulo's so that if there's someone
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: ever elected who's conservative while we're in the wilderness in
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  Speaker 1: the late seventies, we could be able to hand them something.
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  Speaker 1: And that something was a lot of the architecture for
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  Speaker 1: Reagan's term. Not that Reagan of course didn't have his
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: own ideas, but there was a blueprint handed out that
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: was like called the Mandate for Leadership controversially renamed Project
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five from the very boring version that they
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  Speaker 1: used to call it. So Mandate for Leadership was like
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  Speaker 1: sort of like an underpinning of Reagan's years, and so
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  Speaker 1: that has been the jumping off point for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of Heritage history. But Heritage has undergone evolution as the
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Republican Party and the Conservative movement has undergone evolution, and
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  Speaker 1: this seems like an evolution I'm not excited about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Kevin Roberts is the current president of Heritage
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  Speaker 2: and Heritage Action, and I really like him. I am
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: not in any way anti Kevin Roberts. I thought he
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: was doing a fantastic job at Heritage. I get the
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  Speaker 2: criticisms of Project twenty twenty five, but I thought a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it was really smart. It's crazy to me
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  Speaker 2: that we're having this conversation about Kevin Roberts because I
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  Speaker 2: always saw him as such a kind of not middle
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  Speaker 2: of the road. That's the wrong term. Very again, maybe normal,
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  Speaker 2: maybe normal is the way to go here. I saw
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  Speaker 2: him as a normal guy. So what he did on
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  Speaker 2: Friday is he put out a video and he tweeted,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry it wasn't Friday, it was Thursday. He said.
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  Speaker 2: There's been speculation that Heritage is distancing itself from Tucker
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  Speaker 2: Carlson over the past twenty four hours. I want to
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  Speaker 2: put that to rest right now here are my thoughts,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: and he just said such inflammatory things. Let's roll a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: clip that I think was particularly inflammatory.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: We will always defend America, and we will always defend
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: our friends against the slander of bad actors who serve
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains and
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: as I have said before, always will be a close
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking him
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: are sewing division. Their attempt to cancel him will fail.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The venomous coalition who serves somebody else's interests. It's a
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: really dark kind of phrasing, and I think a lot
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of people were shocked at it. The thing is and
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: what I've loved so much about being a conservative always,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: but really in the last week when this bubbled up,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: when Fentis went on Tucker's show, it was near unanimous
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: condemnation from conservatives. Of course, there are some who are like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: you know, let's hear the crazy white supremacists who hated
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and tried to get people to not vote
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: for Donald Trump in this last election. Let's hear him out.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't think the hearing him out is the problem.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: So much as he went completely unchallenged by Tucker Carlston
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: because Tucker himself has gone down this terrible road where
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: he's obsessed with Jews and with Israel, and all of
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: his shows and all of his newsletters are only and
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: always about this. So for Kevin Roberts to get into
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: this and say we will stand by Tucker no matter
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: what he says was just a crazy thing to do.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And the backlash to this has been swift and I
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: just love to see it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently what triggered this was someone took down
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: an internal web page or not an internal webpage but
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: not an important part of the website, but something that
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: referenced Carlson on the heritage website. And then there was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: this like they felt the need to set the record
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: straight while all of us were setting the record straight
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that like probably hosting right white nationalist is not a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: great idea now important for the right also not just
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the standing up on this, but I didn't see one
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: person call for Tucker to not have a play right right.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Zero people said that, or who was trying to cancel him.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Here people are saying that what they are saying is like, look,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't make the decision to have Fintus on my show.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's good to elevent like him. I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: want my guardrails like way out here with a lot
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of allowable speech.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: But like I'm not hosting that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, how if I did this, I would ask
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: difficult questions.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: If someone wishes to host him, please grill him. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I know you're smart enough to do it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So it was to me an unforced error, but telling
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that the head of Heritage Foundation felt the need to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: stand up on this point, and he said, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I find some of Foin's views abhorrent, but like we
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: don't sort of shut off discussion, and it's like, okay.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: The other thing is Tucker's whole thing is saying the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: rest of us are wrong about everything, right, right, if
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: indeed we are on the same side, which, as you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: point out, it feels very much not like that, then
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: why is he not in trouble for coming at everybody else?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly? It's only one side and this has been the point.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Also on the Tucker Finds interview, Tucker said that he
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: hates Christian Zionists, and again, Charlie Kirk was murdered not
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: even two months ago, and he was I think he
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: was the most famous Christian Zionist in the country. Like
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I can't think of anybody bigger than Charlie Kirk on
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Christian Zionism. But what is Tucker saying here, And it's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: just it's mind boggling. Well, and the fact that he
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: can so often say, all these people on the right,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: he hates this person, and he hates this person, and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: he hates this person and he hates this person. And
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that's not sowing divisions somehow that's a problem.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Well, and also to that point, let me commend Dana
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: lash who amazing, which is so great, who is a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: conservative who has worked with heritage forever as many of
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: us have, right, and she went to them and said
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to her contacts over there, like get him on the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: show so that I can talk to him and ask
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: him what you guys are doing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Because this is one of these things that can.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Feel very in the weeds, and it is right, this
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: is this is an online conversation has a movement conversation,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: not a normy conversation.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: However, what happens in.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: These fights dictated what flows downstream eventually. So that's the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: fight we're having Dana Lash was in the fight and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she had a question about exactly what were you were
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: saying for Kevin Roberts, and this was his response.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: What we're trying to do is eliminate that kind of
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: venom both directions.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Is it venomous to say that you hate Christian zionis?
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: Well, of course it is. I mean, I've been really clear,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: not just yesterday and today, but my entire career that
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: and Heritage certainly has in its entire existence, that those
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: kinds of things are just abhorrent. I was I said
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: that literally yesterday.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Because Tucker said those things, So that would be I mean,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: is that not so?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: In division?
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: It's certainly not helpful, but it doesn't mean that he
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: ought to be canceled because of it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: In fact, that's not the question is not whether he
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: should be canceled. Is that so in division to say
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: things like that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Certainly, and a lot of our friend's minds.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: But the point that you didn't put that in your statement.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Because the proximity or the context for the statement was
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: something very different. And that was, as we were talking
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: about a few minutes ago, all of the pressure that
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: Heritage was receiving to cancel Tucker, which is not we
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: wouldn't do that to you, We wouldn't do that to him.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: That's the question. He also seemed very surprised by many
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of the things that she brought up that Tucker has said,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: which led people to believe that he didn't write the video,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: he didn't write the text for the video, and then
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: his chief of staff was moved to some other part
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of Heritage Foundation and people like, oh, maybe that's who
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: wrote it. Again, you're right, this is so in the weeds.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But another defense of Tucker that I keep seeing online
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: is why are we wasting time talking about this? We
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: have real issues, we have a real fight with the left.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And again I say, take this up with Tucker Cross.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Why is he not talking about any of the issues
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: that we have with the left? Why is he constantly
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: constantly only going after people on the right, And why
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: is he constantly only talking about Israel, only talking about Jews,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: making that the focal point of every single episode. It's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: just there's something about that that is dark, and I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: think that you can't ignore that and pretend that we're
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the ones who keep talking about Tucker. No, he's the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: one who keeps bringing the conversation back to this, And
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'll also say Tucker does these newsletters now, and the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: newsletters are almost entirely about Israel or Jews. So on
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: today's newsletter, the headline is Trump threatens to defund Nigeria
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: if Christian killings continue. Now you would think Tucker Carlston,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: self proclaimed Christian, would before this. He doesn't come off
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: as super four defunding Nigeria. In fact, guess what he
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: found a way to bring it back to He says, so,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: how come Mark Levin would label him an anti Jewish
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: racist if he made the exact same statement about Israel.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Isn't that a weird double standard? This may be hard
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: for Levin and his ethno narcissist caucus to accept, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: criticism of their beloved country has nothing to do with Judaism,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: just like Trump's statement on Nigeria is not an attack
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: on blacks. It's about putting America first. Christians are being slaughtered,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and this is what your argument is. It just there's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: nothing conservative going on here.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think you could deploy the same bandwidth
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: an attention argument against Roberts, who I think probably has
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: learned a lesson from this that maybe the one straight
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to camera video you do in a week shouldn't be
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, right, it really That's what it signaled
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to me, is like, oh, this is a very big
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: deal to him that he did this video. And I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: think part of that, again, this is the struggle. Part
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of that is because there is a young cohort of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: right leaning young people that I think misc Some people
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: are thinking the only way to keep these people yes
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in the movement is to host this guy. And I'm like, no, no, no,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: perhaps we should host better people, right, and.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: This will argue about this guy.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the vacuum left by Charlie Kirk is so damaging
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: because he was the model for that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, all right. I'm going to end with
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: two white pills, as the kids say, and one of them,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: actually tweets actually contain contains the phrase white pill. This
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: one's from Joel Berry. He says it's a major white pill,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: which means a positive thing. That the Heritage Foundation gave
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: no enemies to the right a mainstream test drive this week,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and it blew up in their faces because the American
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: right still has a conscience and a moral compass. Praise
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Praise Christ the King for small mercies, and I just
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I love that so much, because again I
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't sure how it was going to go. I wasn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: sure that the right was going to say absolutely not
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: not on our watch. Tucker is a very popular figure.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I've said it before, but he is very personable. I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: really used to like him and care about him a lot.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I understand that impulse from other people, but he is
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: leading us down a dangerous path. The other tweet similar
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to this is from Abe Greenwald. He says the right
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: responded to half a dozen Jew hating podcasters and one
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: think tank president with overwhelming and immediate condemnation. The left
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: encouraged two years of abject pro jihad support and terrorism
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to thrive without ever putting its foot down. I'm so
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: glad we're not doing the same as the left has
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: done here well.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And I want to say also just in a general sense,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: because of the generational change in views on Israel, which
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: may be recovered.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: At some points, but.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The lasting victory of Israel from seven fronts during the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: past two years, pretty again, good bye President Trump, really
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: important for moving forward if in fact the public.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Turn off the.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Changes in these coming generations. And you know, there can
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: be work to do about educating people about our only,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: our only liberal democracy alley in the Middle East. It's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: pretty important.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'll end this. I am not worried
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: about Israel. I'm worried about America. When I hear the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Tuckers and the Fuentesses, I'm not like, oh God, Israel's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: going to suffer because of this. I think America is
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: going to suffer because of this. Israel will be just fine.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Will we be just fine if we take their path?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can look around at the left for
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You really can. Great. No, no good, all right, we'll
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: be right back with more on normally. We are back
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: on normally where Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow is getting some
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: really gross condemnation and we are here to say absolutely
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: not on our watch.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I told you guys, I was gonna be a widow
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: defense because it is a strange thing in particularly if
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you're a public figure, that people really feel free to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: speculate about you, to question your motives. I got this
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: after my husband died in twenty fifteen, or people would
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: just assume that I got jobs because no like it
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: is gross. It's a gross thing. It happens not infrequently.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: This woman is now, I think, like fifty five days
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: from having watched her husband be murdered, and people are
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: watching her under a microscope, and I think some of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it is just like this is how this goes. Some
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of it is she's too public and she's too powerful,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and there are people both on left and right who
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: do not like that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But I got news for y'all. Her name's Kirk. She's
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: legally the inheritor of his legacy. She is now legally
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: the inheritor of the organization that he ran. That makes
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: perfect sense.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: If you don't like a lady doing that, you might
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: get mad about it. But like the accusations of the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: most recent one is somebody took a screenshot from a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: hug she gave Vice President jd Vance and alleged this
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is inappropriate. If you watch the video, you'll know why
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: they chose a screenshot because the video is like zero
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: point seven seconds.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: The hug is like hug moves, yeah, right. But the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: desire is to plant these terrible seeds about this woman
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: who is like just trying to get through it. Guys,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and by the way, trying to box out forces that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: are bad, trying to take over her husband's legacy.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: She's been forced to do.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: That, right. Absolutely. We mentioned in the last segment that
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Nick Fuentess hated Charlie Kirk and the feeling was mutual.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk thought Nick Fuentess was bringing some of the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: absolute worst elements in the country out, And yeah, Erica
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: now needs to preserve TPUSA from that Fuentas wing and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: finds frequently talks and brags about bringing down TPUSA. So
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: this is a woman who is not only preserving her family,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: having to take care of her children who watched her husband,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: as you said, be murdered right in front of her.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: She's also somebody who has to protect this organization and
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: she's doing the best she can. I pray for her,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and we're absolutely not going to stand for any Erica
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Kirk bashing.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one last thought, Kyle Kulinski was perhaps among the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: worst behaved. He is a liberal commentator married to Crystal Ball,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and he just went on a full day long AI
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: disgusting display attacking her for her fake grief for what
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you know, alleging that she was in affairs with people.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It's so disgusting. It should be counterproductive for their movement
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and anyone making this kind of accusation, and I hope
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that it is. And he got a lot of flak
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: for it, but the fact that he kept posting it
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is one of the things I dislike about the Internet,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: which is like more clicks meant more money for him
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: for this disgusting stuff.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: It's really terrible, and I saw people on the right
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: also engaging with it. Again, I think it's that same
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: point as Wing engaging with it and saying, you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: she's not just appropriately. She needs to humble herself, she
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: needs to be more modest. I think she should do
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: whatever she wants to do, especially to get through this
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult time. And we are rooting for you, Erica Kirk.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: We are indeed Widow Defense over here.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: That's right, I'm back up. Well, thanks for joining us
• 31:21
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• 31:24
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• 31:30
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