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Random Heathen Ramblings: S5, EP1 - Should We As Pagans Be Spiteful? (feat. Blake From Skaldic Works) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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  be a great so far. It's shaping up to be a great
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  new season. So I'm excited for you all to be
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  here. I'm excited to talk with new
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  people and hear new things and you know, learn new things
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  hopefully. So yeah, man, 2024 is, is
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  already. You've hit the ground running.
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  I didn't get a chance to celebrate around the holidays
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  like a lot of us get to, you know, the New year celebration
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  and stuff. As you might can tell from my
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  voice, I'm still fighting a really bad flu virus.
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  My wife got it and then I got it and it was it.
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  It it was, it was a doozy. I know a lot of you folks out
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  here, a lot of folks that I know too probably have felt the
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  weighty hand of this this plague.
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  So you guys, you know, drink lots of fluids.
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  Drink plenty of fluids. As a matter of fact, you know,
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  you guys see me toasting you guys with with my glass of
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  Scotch like I normally do. This is the first glass of
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  Scotch that I've even wanted in like over a week.
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  And if you know me you know that that is definitely not in in in
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  my character too and I don't even I'm not even like smoking
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  or vaping or doing anything like that because the the upper
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  respiratory strains that stuff like that puts on my on my
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  lungs. I'm still I'm still coughing you
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  know trying to and it's a very tight cough.
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  You know what I mean? Like I'm still trying to get all
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  that stuff broken up and loosened up in my chest and then
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  all that. So I'm OK, I'm I'm, I'm drinking
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  plenty of fluids, plenty of water and and tea.
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  There's a really good immune boost tea with elderberry that I
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  picked up at the store. I've got to breathe easy sort of
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  tea with some eucalyptus and mint.
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  You know, those are helping a lot too.
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  So if you guys are feeling the same way or having the same
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  sorts of things, those types of teas are great.
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  Anything that'll you know, help with your respiratory system.
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  Anything that'll help with your immunity, immune system, help
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  boost it. Take lots of, you know, vitamins
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  as much as you can, like vitamin C, zinc, echinacea, golden seal,
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  elderberry, vitamin E, vitamin A.
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  Be careful with the vitamin A, You don't want to take that all
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  the time. But anyways, take care of
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  yourselves. I'm doing the best that I can
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  and I'm finally feeling up to par for me to be able to come on
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  here and and record season one. And it's not going to be just
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  me, thankfully. So we've got a A guest lined up
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  today. You've seen him here on the
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  podcast before. His name is Blake Russell and if
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  you've not seen him or heard him here on the podcast, you may
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  have seen him or heard him from his Skaldic works project.
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  He is a musician, very talented toggle harpist I guess they're
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  called. He plays the Toggle Harp or
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  Tallaharp and he is in the Huntsville, AL area.
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  Blake and I got a chance to meet earlier or at the end of last
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  year where we were at the High Lung show.
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  So we met in person, great guy. And he had written into the
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  podcast and asked a question about should we as Pagans be
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  spiteful. And he gave an example and I'm
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  going to let him kind of weigh in on it a bit and talk more
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  about it. But that is what today's show
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  was about. So hope you guys enjoy it.
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  interact with it in that way, it is greatly appreciated.
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  So let's go ahead and bring Blake from Skull.
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  That works on here. Be sure to check the description
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  and the show notes of the podcast for Blake's links.
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  You know the skull that works where you can find him and
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  links for all the ways that you can support me.
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  So we're going to go ahead and bring Blake from Skull that
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  works here on the show. Episode one, Season 5.
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  Here we go. All right, folks.
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  Well, here we are back on season 5 episode one with Blake from
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  Scald. It works.
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  What's up man? Good to have you back.
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  Yeah, you'll be back. Happy New Year to everybody.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Happy New Year.
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  I was telling everybody before you came on that I didn't get a
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  chance to like, you know, ring in the new Year traditionally
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  with, you know, drinks and parties and stuff, 'cause I was
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  dealing with this, this flu. And I did it in my own way.
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  I did a little private ceremony, like a little ritual, the ritual
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  of my own way. OK, cool.
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  Like year or two, just three and a New Year's.
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  It was my spirit, land, spirits, gods and my ancestors.
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  Then. Then, around midnight, I poured
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  out the drinks or the need that I had offered.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was just too.
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  I wanted to, man. I was just too, like I was
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  telling him like, you know, the whiskey I'm drinking right now
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  is it's the first glass of Scotch that I've had in over a
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  week. I just didn't have a taste for
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  it. I hadn't wanted to drink
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  anything like that, you know. I was just met me drink tea and
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  and other things more, you know. So this is the first time that
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  I'm getting to kind of just enjoy an alcoholic bread
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  beverage. I had a shot of crown on New
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  Year's. Like when when when it hit
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  midnight, I got to drink something.
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  I got to do something, damn it, you know?
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  First, you didn't lose your voice like I did when I got the
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  Super, the Super flu, you know what I mean?
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  You know what I mean, the Super flu, that's what I mean it's
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  it's I had never got the flu before.
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  But if if you just but the way you describe the flu, that's the
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  way I felt that first day I had had it earlier last earlier last
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  year I think it was. Yeah, this, this, this round.
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  Dude, I don't tell you. I mean, I don't get sick very
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  often. Usually when I start feeding a.
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  Certain way. I can nip it in the bud.
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  I'll start, you know, boosting up my vitamins and and and and
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  all that this. Time.
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  This kicked my ass, man. I was.
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  I I'm glad I was off from work and all that and I didn't have.
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  To take time off. Had the time off because I like
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  even going back to work this week.
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  I'm I'm still like, you know, when I first get up in the
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  morning, I'm like hacking up my lungs.
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  Just it's rough. Yeah.
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  For me though, I was ready to get back to work.
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  Really. I was bored.
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  I mean, I'm not going to be bored to find find myself, you
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  know, busy doing other things rather than, you know, work
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  buddy. I get it.
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  You know, I was not ready to get back to the grind because it was
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  like sitting here all week was like, what to do?
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  Next, right. Yeah.
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  What's going on? Yeah, it's like I had.
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  I had one plan I didn't do because I was just too chicken
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  to do it. Which was what?
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  I was I was actually thinking about doing it a full well uta
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  seta session say that one. More time.
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  I was. I was planning on doing a full
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  UTA seta. Oh, wow.
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  But The thing is, my backyard is not suitable for it.
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  So I'm going to have to either do it somewhere else and finding
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  a place where I wouldn't be disturbed.
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  Yeah, in my Old Town, in my town, because there's no other
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  like parks anywhere else nearby that is like a major, like a
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  like major nature preserve the park have.
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  You ever Have you ever done uta Seta?
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  No, this will be my first. That's what I'm trying to what?
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  I've done something close I haven't.
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  I don't think I've I I wouldn't say what I've done if was
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  officially Utah set to but. Yeah, you know.
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  It's somewhat close to that. Yeah, it was.
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  It was something I was wanting to try for the first time and
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  just to because when my my hoes, because I don't make
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  resolutions. I make hoes myself and stuff is
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  to I'm going to start diving a little bit harder into the
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  spirituality of everything. My my spirituality was more and
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  also into the more mystical side of it as well.
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  OK. Which I'm I'm already starting
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  my path on now. I'm starting to dive more into
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  the ruins and stuff. But I'm all but.
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  The thing is, my, my, my personal learning room is to go
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  is the practice as I go. Because it's like learning an
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  instrument. You can't just study and study
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  and study and then expect to pick up the instrument and then
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  play after. You have to play it as.
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  You have to practice what you play.
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  Oh, practice, play and practice what you learn as you go.
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  Absolutely, yeah. And it's a lifetime worth of
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  learning and. Like with a bike, you got to run
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  with the train wheels on, then take the train wheels off for a
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  while and then you go into the big starts and tricks.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not going to be you're
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  not going to be flipping wheelies while you're still on a
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  trice. You know, on on on your training
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  wheels, you know, Yeah, with any great oh.
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  Yeah. So I'm starting with the basic
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  book, The little this little basic book.
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  Of course, you've probably seen this one before, yeah?
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  Yeah, what's who who's that one by?
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  Lisa Chamberlain. Yep.
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  Yeah, I remember. It it's a little star.
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  It's like a little star to get me.
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  I'm going to get me learning it, get me memorizing it, get me
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  learn the some of the, what do you call them, the spread.
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  Oh, OK. Yeah, And then and then as I go,
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  I'll I'll keep reading and reading and reading and learning
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  and learning as I go. Gotcha, gotcha.
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  Well, good luck with that, man. You know, I know when I when I
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  started learning runes and and and all that, it was a it, you
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  know, I didn't like make a resolution to learn.
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  It was more like it came to me as the kind of like a like a
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  declaration like you got to go this route like you.
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  This is the path to take. It wasn't me coming up and
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  saying I'm going to go on this path per SE.
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  It was I. Like.
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  I was told to Hey, this is the path you need to go down, I
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  said. Well, OK.
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  Yeah, that's the way it was like earlier or later this last year
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  it was like this is the path that I need to go down.
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  I need to learn all this stuff. I need to go down multiple
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  paths, spiritual paths and try them out like even including
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  things like shamanism, even even non even related things like I
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  may even try to get a certification in what it's
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  called ray tie which we have a big thing.
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  We have a good community of that here as well locally the
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  practitioners. So I was like.
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  What was that? What was it you said, Reiki?
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  Reiki. Yeah.
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  Reiki. Oh, it's called Reiki as well.
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  Thanks. Yeah, yeah.
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  I can't remember exact the exact denunciation, but you'll call it
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  Reiki or Reiki. Yeah, yeah.
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  Potato, potato. Right tomato.
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  Tomato. Wherever it's wherever you can
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  utilize in your in your practice that wherever I can utilize as
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  in my practice as a modern. Yeah, it seems to be at least
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  around here. And I don't know if it's just in
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  the the Pagan circuit in general, but it seems to be a
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  very popular direction to go in from Mystics and spiritualists
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  and and animists even. You know, they'll they'll you're
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  into the Reiki side of things, which again, you know is not a
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  Norse or Northern tradition sort of thing.
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  But nonetheless, it's still something that seems to find
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  itself in in the repertoire of a lot of folks you know.
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  I think, I think if if the Northern tradition would have
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  been weapons, well, not undeserved but not completely
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  banned, you know, by the Christian faith and stuff, they
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  were up to Evolve on its own bikes and stuff, they probably
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  would have adopted that today. Yeah, yeah.
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  Very, very, very possible, you know, because.
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  It probably, they would probably involve the something completely
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  different over here like in the states like say like there was a
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  whole bunch of Vikings, the Vikings actually completely
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  settled here or the North completely settled here, you
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  know? Yeah, certainly.
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  Yeah. Or or they were to continue on
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  and then they came in as immigrants.
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  You know with the rest of the immigrants of the United States.
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  You know as a well they like they have Scandinavia, but
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  they'll probably like I think it's mid Midwest.
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  Oh, sure, yeah. Big Norwegian, Scandinavian,
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  Swedish settlements in, you know, Minnesota and and
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  Wisconsin. And yeah, they're in the Midwest
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  up there. Yeah.
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  Yeah, and so you have to think, if they were to even come down
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  here to the battle, they would probably have different The gods
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  may have been transformed to something else.
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  Oh yeah. I mean, syncretism is a thing
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  too, you know, But everywhere, you know, where you go and and
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  where the people, what the people are doing, where where
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  you end up going, you know, Oh that.
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  Was it was made to say name? Hard to say names, or close to
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  say names, but the stories would have been completely different.
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  Right. Yeah, there's pictures at the.
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  Landscape, right, right. That's a whole different kind of
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  worm. We can go in that.
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  We can go in that whole different episode.
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  You're telling me, man, you're telling me it's it's it's it's
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  just, it's this. Ever the never ending can of
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  worms. You know, you think you're going
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  to talk about one thing, and then you say you say a word and
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  you say a phrase, and then next thing you know you're going down
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  that rabbit. Hole Rabbit hole, yeah.
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  Where do we? Where were we at now?
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  Where? How do we end up here?
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  It's it's it's like my my words very, very, very fast and
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  frequent. It's like or fast, fast and
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  crazy and out there it's like, I don't.
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  I don't. I don't.
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  They got outside the box. I destroyed that sucker.
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  You. Know that horse to death, right?
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  I'm trying to. I'm trying to get.
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  I'm trying to get keep the key here.
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  Oh yeah, well, we did actually have a topic today.
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  Funny enough. You you wrote in and this is
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  months ago now that you wrote in.
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  Well, it wasn't all that long ago, but I think by the.
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  Time. Yeah, it was last.
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  Yeah, it was last month. But I think what you wrote into
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  me about it pertained to something that happened to you
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  months or or maybe even longer prior to you.
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  Yeah, so you were you were talking about, you know, should
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  pagans be spiteful? Should we as Pagans as you know,
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  and Heathens, however you want to label yourself, or should we
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  be spiteful? Yeah, I.
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  Remember responding back to you and giving you kind of like my
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  quick answer, a quick response, but I was, I was hoping if you
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  wouldn't mind kind of leading off and talk.
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  A little bit. Yeah, the story behind why you
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  came to that question or what what that came to your mind for.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  For a whole back story contact here I work at a highly
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  Christianized business like the owner's Christian.
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  A lot of people that work there are part of the Christian part
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  of Christian saying and they will go on and sometimes one of
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  them are like really right wingly right leaning.
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  So I get a lot of political stuff on the on that end as
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  well. But they were.
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  I think they I was overhearing a conversation between people
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  about somebody talking about somebody who has.
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  Either like the the pentagram or the pinnacle and stuff and and
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  they were talking about it in like a negative context or in
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  the negative context stuff. So I thought to myself, like,
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  wouldn't it be weird if I just showed up to work wearing that
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  wearing attendant with that on there?
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  And then I was like, but The thing is, I got got.
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  But what came in my head though is I don't really associate
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  myself with that symbol as a North North Pagan.
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  Or even I didn't associate myself with like the pinnacle or
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  the pentagram because that's kind of either a Wiccan or
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  Universal Pagan Pagan. But The thing is in my mind is
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  like, I could wear this thing there.
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  It makes them cringe and they couldn't say nothing about it
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  because religious Right kind of thing, right?
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  I. Can pull.
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  I can pull the legal card on them.
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  Yeah. Now don't you, I mean where you
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  work and and all that. I mean do you do you wear
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  anything? Is there any, any identifier
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  that outwardly would I, you know, if people saw it would be
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  like, what is that like? You're not a Christian.
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  That doesn't look like a Christian symbol.
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  Do you wear your hammer? Do you wear anything open?
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  And visible I I've been wearing my, I've been I've been wearing
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  my millionaire all a lot. I have.
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  I have that, that big one that I have actually hanging over
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  there. My old one put the big chain,
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  the big stained one I used to have, but now I'm wearing my
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  little small one here, which I wear around my neck right here.
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  And then recently I've been wearing a wearing this thing
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  because I just like to wear it, to wear it.
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  And I wear a deer hammer on my neck as well, but it doesn't.
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  Mean, you know that? I mean a lot.
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  I mean hunters. I mean, you know, that doesn't
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  necessarily, you know, associate you with any, like alternative
• 22:39
  religion or spirituality per SE, But the hammer definitely would.
• 22:43
  And it's just curious to me, right?
• 22:45
  Like, have they seen your hammer?
• 22:48
  Oh yeah. They actually, they actually
• 22:49
  know that I am is I live in in my department, right.
• 22:56
  Because my because we were like a department of like 8 or 9
• 23:01
  people. And so they I'm kind of a little
• 23:07
  bit open about it sometimes but not to everybody in the in the
• 23:11
  company. But I was because I'm open to
• 23:14
  them, because I talked about what I do or not what I do, but
• 23:18
  what I'm what my plans are on tomorrow for the weekend or
• 23:21
  something like that. You know, So when.
• 23:23
  So when a ritual comes up, like, OK, I'm doing me and a bunch of
• 23:27
  people are getting out together and doing this thing.
• 23:30
  Yeah, yeah, at at this thing. It was.
• 23:35
  It was just the. It was just the the symbol of
• 23:40
  the pinnacle or the pentagram whichever it was they're they're
• 23:44
  they're different things. I've we know that right.
• 23:46
  One is a Pagan Celtic Pagan symbol of actually I think the
• 23:52
  the and I and I'm no expert on this so I don't want to like
• 23:56
  start this and then end up having a back pedal but I want
• 24:00
  to say that there's some some Christian origins to one of the
• 24:05
  symbols. I think it's the pinnacle, but
• 24:08
  the pentagram is the is the inverted one, right?
• 24:11
  So the pentagram is the. The pinnacle is the pentagram
• 24:15
  with a circle. Around it.
• 24:17
  OK, I'm thinking maybe that. All right, so then, yeah.
• 24:20
  So whichever the one is, that's usually associated with like
• 24:23
  Satanism, right? Where it's the inverted.
• 24:24
  The inverted pinnacle or inverted pentagram, Yeah.
• 24:28
  Yeah. So it'd be a pinnacle if it's
• 24:31
  got a circle around it. It'd be a pentagram without the
• 24:33
  circle around it. OK then, yeah.
• 24:36
  They were they associated with like Christians associated
• 24:39
  nowadays with witchcraft or take care of them depending on the
• 24:42
  orientation the orientation that it's sitting.
• 24:46
  But we don't know that even in witchcraft if it's orientated in
• 24:49
  reverse, it means that you're drawing that energy onto
• 24:54
  yourself. OK.
• 24:56
  So you're you're putting the energy that you're trying to put
• 24:59
  in on yourself and then when you're when it's that's what I
• 25:02
  was that's what I weren't You know through watching a lot of
• 25:07
  different YouTube and collective pagans and stuff on YouTube that
• 25:11
  they are the that the IT was pointing not inverted but it was
• 25:16
  pointing right side up. It's putting the energy out into
• 25:19
  the universe. OK.
• 25:22
  That that will be. I just want it interesting that
• 25:24
  they they they they they want to hone in on that symbol or
• 25:29
  symbols. Yeah, and.
• 25:31
  And and and draw a conclusion you know off of that and and
• 25:37
  totally ignore the fact that you're you know that you got
• 25:40
  this hammer around your neck and you're also.
• 25:43
  Most people in the most people around me are completely
• 25:47
  oblivious to the to the, to the mule near.
• 25:50
  Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's not.
• 25:53
  It's not. It's not a very recognized
• 25:56
  symbol of Paganism, especially where I'm at, really.
• 26:01
  It's like, yeah, we don't. A lot of people don't will will
• 26:06
  realize what what I'm wearing half the time unless it's unless
• 26:10
  they are a part of the. Community.
• 26:13
  I've had somebody one time Well, the the the type of hammer that
• 26:18
  that I wear right right now is it's not very easily
• 26:21
  distinguished as a hammer like it.
• 26:24
  It kind of looks like a hammer, but it the one that I used to
• 26:27
  wear and I still have my wife got me from a distance it looks
• 26:33
  more it's it, it looks more like an inverted cross.
• 26:36
  Yeah. And I've had like, years ago
• 26:40
  when I was still on talking terms with my family in New
• 26:43
  York, you know, like my mom was like, is that an inverted cross,
• 26:45
  Which really pissed her off because we were raised
• 26:48
  Christian, you know what I mean? I'm like, no, no, no, no, Mom,
• 26:50
  this is a this is, it's called Mule near.
• 26:52
  It's Thor's hammer. It's totally different, you
• 26:55
  know, and well. Some people, I mean there's a
• 26:57
  lot of people I know that know it's mule near, but they
• 27:00
  associate with like Marvel meal near as well of course or they
• 27:06
  know it's feeling near the actual meal near.
• 27:08
  But they they know. Everybody knows who Thor is
• 27:12
  everywhere now, you know, because of Marvel and
• 27:15
  everything. Lot of war, the Assassin's
• 27:19
  Creed, all the pop culture things, you know.
• 27:22
  Right. Oh yeah.
• 27:23
  And so it's it's more easily recognized.
• 27:28
  They don't see it as like there's a lot of people I've
• 27:31
  probably seen that wear it that aren't even Pagan at all.
• 27:37
  Yeah, I've seen that too, man. You know, I, I, I wear these
• 27:45
  symbols for for a couple of reasons.
• 27:49
  You know, like, for me, they're they're an expression of my
• 27:53
  identity. They're they're they're how I
• 27:56
  identify it in in my religiosity.
• 27:58
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 28:00
  You're also a way I feel for if there are others like me, right.
• 28:06
  It's a conversations, right? Because.
• 28:08
  Yeah, it's connected with others like you.
• 28:12
  It's like like like like here, like, hey, here I am, approach
• 28:16
  me, talk to me. You know, right.
• 28:21
  There's a commonality between There's a commonality enough
• 28:25
  between you and I. If you wear a hammer and I wear
• 28:28
  a hammer on the surface at least we we could have a conversation
• 28:32
  and start a a conversation where that conversation goes if it
• 28:35
  goes anywhere valuable or or anything happens remains to be
• 28:38
  seen. But it can be a conversation
• 28:42
  starter and it can kind of help like you say you know identify
• 28:46
  you in the crowd or or amongst other people that are maybe
• 28:49
  looking because in the South at least.
• 28:51
  You know a a lot of folks and I've come to find this out are
• 28:54
  are still very very private and quiet about their Heathenry or
• 28:59
  about their paganism because of it being such a Christian
• 29:04
  dominate dominant religion area. You know what I mean like it's
• 29:10
  even though there's a there's there's a lot of pagans around
• 29:13
  here man and I'm not just talking Heathens like Germanic
• 29:17
  or whatever. I mean I'm talking there's
• 29:19
  there's all kinds of of of non religious folks up in this.
• 29:23
  Area you need to North Alabama though because one you got the
• 29:26
  meter, you need to clarify. They are and they are a big they
• 29:32
  are a big deal and they've been featuring a lot of articles and
• 29:36
  stuff. Yep, which is great.
• 29:39
  I love the. Press that they're getting, you
• 29:40
  know what I mean? Because like, not, not all
• 29:43
  meteries. Like, let's face it, like not
• 29:45
  all meteries are a heathen business.
• 29:48
  It's just not right. Like not all the breweries are,
• 29:52
  you know, the same way, right? So but just because you're
• 29:55
  making me doesn't necessarily mean you're you're Pagan or
• 29:58
  heathen. But it's cool You've got a
• 30:01
  meadery that is a heathen run business in the area and that
• 30:04
  the press that they're getting is like you guys did the Burning
• 30:09
  Man. I say, I keep saying Burning
• 30:10
  Man, the Wicker Man, You know, this just was a few weeks ago,
• 30:15
  or two weeks ago, something like that.
• 30:17
  Yeah, they had to delay it for the fire.
• 30:19
  Yeah. I I, I joked with Rue the other
• 30:23
  the other day before it was the one that's paying that out.
• 30:27
  I was like, are we switching the bear to the goat to a goat this
• 30:29
  year? That.
• 30:36
  Would be like we we got a strong goat instead of a bear.
• 30:39
  This is this is close to the yuletide season.
• 30:42
  Heck. Yeah.
• 30:44
  One of the big Yule, I thought it was funny that the GABA goat
• 30:47
  this year didn't. It didn't survive.
• 30:49
  But it wasn't because of fire. It was because of birds.
• 30:51
  It said birds. Yeah, birds this year says it's
• 30:57
  being wit on fire. It was they they ate down to the
• 30:59
  frame because they because of a bad harvest or the way it was
• 31:06
  harvested. There was still seeds in the in
• 31:09
  the straw. Oh, gotcha.
• 31:10
  Gotcha. First we're taking it out.
• 31:16
  That's new. Somebody was joking.
• 31:21
  It was like, it was like fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire
• 31:25
  Sage. Fire sage birds.
• 31:31
  But yeah, that was, yeah, the way he was there.
• 31:37
  And the first thing we were calling it Burning Man, and some
• 31:39
  people just called it Burning Bear.
• 31:43
  Well, the effigy this year was a bear, wasn't it?
• 31:45
  Yeah. They call it burning barefoot as
• 31:48
  as a way to joke around. Yeah, I think that thing lived
• 31:52
  beautifully by the way it went straight from the top down and
• 31:55
  it didn't. Collapse.
• 31:57
  Yeah, yeah. So if everybody watching and
• 32:00
  listening, whatever. If you go to, we're talking
• 32:02
  about a meadery, it's it's Ravenwood Meadery and they're in
• 32:06
  Huntsville, AL. You go to their Facebook page,
• 32:09
  they've got a website, but you go to their Facebook page,
• 32:12
  you'll see pictures and videos and stuff of what we're talking
• 32:16
  about here. It was Blake was there.
• 32:19
  You got to Were you performing anything like I saw pictures of
• 32:22
  you with the town I. Was just freestyling.
• 32:25
  I was just freestyling on it because it was like a different
• 32:27
  drone circle kind of thing. We were just playing random
• 32:30
  stuff and I just jumped in and joined in.
• 32:34
  Dude, you got to come up here man, to an event and bring it
• 32:37
  with you because that is 1 sound that I have not heard live in
• 32:42
  person anywhere and it's something to to had it here at
• 32:46
  an event. Yeah, you know, Well, certainly
• 32:49
  I'm bringing, I'm bringing everything on one of my
• 32:50
  instruments. Well, that that definitely gets
• 32:54
  ours. I don't think that's a good
• 32:55
  place for it. But there is like this finally
• 32:59
  get what you what, what what's called a gym bag.
• 33:04
  Hopefully you carry a gym bag. By the way, I have the handle.
• 33:09
  There you go. Just bring them all, man.
• 33:11
  Just bring them all. Bring them the whole thing.
• 33:15
  I'm fixing the I'm fixing the main There's a woman here that
• 33:19
  runs a local like esoterical shop in Athens.
• 33:23
  It's a tea shop kind of thing and she likes to make make like
• 33:28
  frame drum. So I'm gonna make my own.
• 33:32
  So that's gonna be that's gonna be fun.
• 33:35
  Excellent. Oh yeah.
• 33:37
  She's. I don't.
• 33:37
  Think man you know like you were asking about should we be
• 33:43
  spiteful you know for for those sakes.
• 33:47
  And I I think I remember saying to you you know, like I don't
• 33:51
  know. You know in in certain cases I,
• 33:53
  I, I always try to measure it up to like what's why would I, why
• 33:57
  should I be doing what I feel like I want to do right.
• 34:00
  Like, what's the purpose? Is there any, I'm going to, you
• 34:03
  know, get any benefit out of doing this?
• 34:06
  Is there anything good going to happen, or am I just trying to,
• 34:08
  you know, stir the pot, stir shit up, right?
• 34:11
  Yeah, it looks like me. I used.
• 34:14
  I sometimes will get vindictive like crazy just to think of ways
• 34:20
  to get revenge or get or just to stir the pot, as you said, or
• 34:27
  get somebody riled up. Yeah, and then, but that's not
• 34:32
  been my path here lately. This is, it's like I try to go
• 34:35
  on this path of healing of of not only myself, but to also
• 34:43
  spread the healing to others. Then The thing is, I'm mostly,
• 34:48
  again, I'm mostly a tribal type person.
• 34:50
  I don't care about somebody over 5000 miles away from me, that I
• 34:56
  don't know, but if I can, but I will care about somebody who I
• 35:02
  meet in real life. And that's what I'm starting to
• 35:07
  be more like, because I used to be picked on a lot growing up,
• 35:13
  especially with my with some even later in earlier in my
• 35:18
  early young adulthood. I used to work from a mom at one
• 35:21
  point with her business and I get picked on a lot because I
• 35:24
  was the elder son and that kind of made me that the spiteful
• 35:30
  person that I was because I was trying to defend my one with my
• 35:35
  condition. I have a self-defense mechanism,
• 35:39
  fight or flight and not usually choose fight.
• 35:42
  Oh yeah, and and that's just not way I want to be that way
• 35:47
  anymore. I don't want to be that angry
• 35:49
  person. Well, do you think it's because
• 35:51
  maybe you felt like you were under attack and that was like
• 35:54
  a, like you say like a defense mechanism?
• 35:56
  And so. The fight wasn't to be like, I'm
• 35:58
  not trying to pick a fight, but you're trying to defend
• 36:01
  yourself, end up for yourself, yeah.
• 36:03
  Exactly. Stand up for myself, you know,
• 36:06
  because I wasn't, I wasn't good with using my words.
• 36:10
  I was mainly just becoming rebellious.
• 36:13
  You know it's like like I had this, I got that this this
• 36:21
  anarchy anarchist type mentality that like down with a man type
• 36:28
  thing and then now I'm now that I'm grown.
• 36:31
  It's a little even older. About nearly a decade and a half
• 36:36
  later I I've wise and gotten wiser in my years.
• 36:42
  You have you know feel like I'm saying I'm old but you know, but
• 36:47
  I'm not. I'm I'm pushing 40 but still.
• 36:53
  I'm turning 40 this year myself, dude.
• 36:55
  And. I got I got two more years.
• 36:59
  Some something about that. I don't know like it Numbers
• 37:02
  have never been a thing for me. It's like, I know like one of my
• 37:05
  uncles, man like when he turned 40, he like he about lost his
• 37:10
  mind, you know. Like I can't believe I'm turning
• 37:12
  40 and then he did the same thing when he turned 50.
• 37:14
  I can't believe I'm turning 50. Like having to come apart.
• 37:17
  I've never been that way. Like I you know.
• 37:20
  When I turn the third year like even that, it seems like
• 37:24
  yesterday I was, I was having my first sip of alcohol as a, as a,
• 37:32
  as a, as an adult. Right, Yeah.
• 37:35
  Which I don't. I never drunk that much anyway,
• 37:37
  but still, it's. Maybe I may be turning 40 this
• 37:40
  year, but I still like in my heart, in my mind, like I still
• 37:43
  feel like I'm a 20 year old. You know what I mean?
• 37:46
  My body doesn't. But my mind still says it seems
• 37:49
  like yesterday I was 20 years, 20 years 21 years old and now
• 37:53
  but but the see that's the reason why 30s was such but my
• 37:58
  30s was such. There has been such a a reality
• 38:02
  check is that my body starts to break down.
• 38:06
  You know, I've I've got carpal tunnel at the Yin Yang right
• 38:09
  now. It's like, I mean I've had
• 38:12
  carpal tunnel for a while even when I was in my 20s.
• 38:15
  But it's gotten worse. But like, it's now surging up
• 38:18
  from Yeah, it's like surging up to my elbows and my shoulders.
• 38:23
  And like last night it prevented me from sleeping like.
• 38:28
  It's crazy dude, man. Like you know, and I don't deal
• 38:31
  with stuff like that, but I I do deal with just, you know, the
• 38:35
  the, the growing pains or the OR the aches and pains of age, I
• 38:38
  guess is it is what it comes down to, you know?
• 38:40
  And I'm not even that old. I got, I get to reflecting
• 38:43
  sometimes. And I'm thinking, you know, man,
• 38:45
  the age that I'm turning this year is the same age that my dad
• 38:50
  was when we moved off of Long Island to the house that my mom
• 38:54
  lives in now. And he spent, you know, he spent
• 38:59
  three or four months of the summer of 97 the year that we
• 39:03
  moved up to that house. He spent every day and I'm
• 39:07
  talking like 1012 hours sometimes 1416 hour days, six
• 39:12
  days a week for for months renovating that house because he
• 39:16
  was a Carpenter by trade, you know.
• 39:18
  And but I'm just thinking I'm like, damn, man, I'm the same
• 39:21
  age now that my dad was then and he was doing all that stuff with
• 39:27
  a family and I'm like what a bad ass, you know?
• 39:32
  And and it it helps you I think put things in perspective too
• 39:36
  going back to like you know the whole you know things out of
• 39:39
  spite. You know I think the older we
• 39:41
  get I think the wiser we get hopefully because we we we pause
• 39:46
  and we we don't we're not we're not like yeah you jerk.
• 39:49
  And we're gonna, you know, be like 4 and just, you know, act
• 39:53
  first. Think later kind of thing.
• 39:56
  We're gonna have a little bit more, hopefully some more, some
• 39:58
  more attacks, some more wisdom to to to realize that you know
• 40:04
  why? Why would I go and do something
• 40:07
  out of spite? When there's What good is it?
• 40:10
  What good is it going to bring? Right what?
• 40:12
  What benefit is it going to bring?
• 40:14
  Is it going to bring me any benefit?
• 40:15
  Is it going to bring them any benefit?
• 40:17
  What? Wrong.
• 40:18
  Have they actually done to me to deserve me being spiteful
• 40:21
  towards them? Right.
• 40:22
  I mean, like there's so many things that you can measure all
• 40:26
  of that up against. And I think you know in as a
• 40:28
  general rule to answer the the question of the hour is you know
• 40:32
  should Pagans be spiteful as I I should I would say no at least
• 40:36
  not in most cases. You know what I mean if if
• 40:38
  there's if there was a legitimate wrong done against
• 40:43
  you or your loved ones or something and there needs to be
• 40:46
  a recompense or a wear Guild or something like that.
• 40:48
  You know what I mean. If the occasion calls for that
• 40:51
  sort of thing and there you know that type of action requires,
• 40:58
  you know the the the that that that those types of steps to be
• 41:01
  taken, then then that's one thing.
• 41:03
  But to just, you know be like oh you don't like this.
• 41:07
  You know it. You know it reminds me of those
• 41:10
  kids like back in you know back in the day where it was like you
• 41:14
  know and and and this goes for every generation I'm sure.
• 41:18
  But you know if if the parents didn't didn't like something
• 41:20
  that the kids were doing, what did the kids do?
• 41:22
  They do it even harder or they do it even more.
• 41:25
  What? Turned out that you even louder.
• 41:29
  You know what's going on with today's world, even today it's
• 41:32
  like, what do you like? You're in that make up for it.
• 41:35
  They'd wear even more put on another hand.
• 41:38
  Shirt whatever. Like you just have it down his
• 41:40
  rope kind of like it's like that rebellious sized like yeah.
• 41:46
  And to me it's me with my condition.
• 41:49
  It part of that comes with what they call it's called PDA which
• 41:54
  is pathological demand avoidance.
• 41:58
  It's the profile of autism. And I didn't know that was a
• 42:02
  thing until recently. And like I didn't know that was
• 42:07
  I would have something like that.
• 42:10
  You know, it's like I'm like that whenever, whenever, when my
• 42:16
  whenever one of my somebody who I feel like is my equal peer.
• 42:21
  You know the seniority, not not in age, but in seniority that
• 42:26
  given something that sounds like orders, it's like, no, I don't
• 42:30
  want to do it. Yeah, now what was the thing?
• 42:35
  Called again, say it, say pathological demand avoidance.
• 42:39
  OK. Pathological demand avoidance.
• 42:45
  Interesting. It's a you can look at that
• 42:47
  that's it's one of the profiles of like people with autism and
• 42:52
  ADHD OK, which I got the shorten the second gap both.
• 42:58
  You're just extra special that way.
• 43:00
  Yeah, it's that's what the roller coaster ride is like,
• 43:07
  battling my mind. It's like it's it's like I need
• 43:12
  to want to be organized or I just don't give a crap.
• 43:16
  And that's what I've been less than what I've been like.
• 43:18
  I've been trying to force myself to be less organized, actually,
• 43:20
  because I'm trying to be more like fluid in my life.
• 43:26
  Just going with the flow for things because I have to quit
• 43:30
  worrying about things being a certain way of being rigid.
• 43:36
  Yeah, be a little bit wall loose and I need to be, you know,
• 43:41
  that's been the theme. That's been the theme for the
• 43:43
  past couple of months. It's just being because I went
• 43:47
  to a bowl before it was supposed to be the liquor man event back
• 43:53
  in October. It was like the day after the
• 43:55
  Hang on concert. I've actually discussed this is
• 43:58
  our last episode that I was here.
• 44:03
  She said that right now my weird does not put off.
• 44:08
  It's straight that means whatever I decide, whatever it's
• 44:14
  not it's not either the right or wrong decision it's just the
• 44:17
  decision. So it's my my.
• 44:23
  So I'm on the right path no matter whatever I choose right
• 44:26
  now And that's The thing is I've been if something breaks or
• 44:31
  something like one time I have AI have a thing in my altar that
• 44:35
  I always kept. There was a gift for my aunt at
• 44:38
  one point and I just kept it with me and it's a a knife that
• 44:43
  split nap out of Obsidian. Obsidian.
• 44:47
  Uh huh. Yeah.
• 44:48
  And I was hanging. AI bought AI have a rack.
• 44:51
  I bought a rack of antlers of the I was nailing it to the wall
• 44:55
  and it knocked it off and then the whole thing shattered and
• 44:59
  I'm like interesting. So I was like what I'm trying to
• 45:05
  figure out now is if this is part of the acidion is still
• 45:07
  good, should I shape into something else and destroy the
• 45:10
  rest of it or destroy the whole bank.
• 45:15
  So I figured sort of figure out how for myself because it's
• 45:20
  still good chunk of acidia in there that can be used and
• 45:24
  reshape the something else reformed have a different
• 45:28
  purpose. Yeah, there's been like we've
• 45:32
  used Obsidian. Argo the wolf.
• 45:36
  He he he brought a huge chunk, biggest chunk of Obsidian I've
• 45:40
  ever seen. You know, almost about like
• 45:45
  probably 1 1/2 sizes in my hand, you know what I mean?
• 45:50
  Huge Obsidian rock. And it had.
• 45:55
  It had. It was a, it was a ritual stone
• 45:58
  that was part of an of an even bigger piece of Obsidian that
• 46:02
  had broken off in in a ritual fire with him and somebody else.
• 46:06
  Right. So he brought that and he had
• 46:08
  brought it out here for our ritual purposes.
• 46:13
  And then it was, it was put into the fire And and then he said,
• 46:19
  you know, you know, the next day he's like after everything cools
• 46:23
  off, he's like, you know, let me know what you find.
• 46:27
  And there were, there were of course various shards and chunks
• 46:30
  of Obsidian that had busted from the fire, from the heat.
• 46:35
  You know you could hear the the, the, the stone in the in the
• 46:39
  fire in the heat. And from those shards of that of
• 46:43
  that rock that had busted several large stones had been
• 46:49
  procured and he polished them and and and made pendants for
• 46:52
  for different people. Some of us in the tribe and
• 46:55
  other friends and stuff like that he made, you know so it's
• 46:57
  like you know the the the thing served its purpose under one
• 47:02
  version of itself and then it another purpose for another and
• 47:06
  it even continues to serve purposes doing other things
• 47:10
  right. So it's a.
• 47:12
  So basically, if you're reshaping obsaying, you're
• 47:14
  actually destroying it to to reshape it.
• 47:18
  Yeah, without even trying, 'cause I mean, you're just
• 47:20
  letting the fire do it's thing or you know, Yeah.
• 47:22
  Or if you're if you're renapping it, or if you're polishing it,
• 47:25
  you're just taking off the edges and reshaping it into a
• 47:28
  different warmth, you're it's destroying its current form.
• 47:31
  But there's nothing about obsaying or stones, any stones
• 47:34
  like that, like crystals or whatever.
• 47:36
  You can destroy it and reshape it into something new.
• 47:39
  And it has a different purpose in in your original.
• 47:43
  In your original and stuff. Yeah.
• 47:46
  Yeah. Because somebody told me I was
• 47:47
  trying to figure out why I could use this ritually for on my
• 47:51
  altar. And somebody told me that since
• 47:53
  a thing is good at getting rid of the negative in your life, we
• 47:56
  insist on the ship of a knife. We use it.
• 47:59
  We were you going to say we're going to use it to cut out the
• 48:02
  bad energies in our life? Bad idea.
• 48:05
  Yeah. There's a whole.
• 48:07
  That's a whole, that's a whole specialty area, man.
• 48:11
  You know, crystals and stones of people.
• 48:15
  Some people that are really, really smart with stuff like
• 48:17
  that, that know their stuff when it comes to stones and crystal,
• 48:21
  all that. I mean, I still use.
• 48:23
  I use a little bit in my practice.
• 48:25
  Sometimes I I will have carry a little bit with me for one, you
• 48:30
  know for either protection or for for the help with like
• 48:38
  wanting some of my energies and stuff at one point which I've
• 48:42
  lost one of them and I don't know where it went.
• 48:45
  It had to be somewhere in this house.
• 48:47
  But I know myself. I just accepted that I don't
• 48:51
  need it anymore right now. And when it turns up, that's
• 48:55
  probably around me again. That's where I come to the
• 49:00
  conclusion. I think it was a midstone.
• 49:02
  Actually, I. Get certain.
• 49:07
  Yeah, it's service purpose for now, but it's not completely
• 49:11
  gone. It's just hidden somewhere out
• 49:15
  on my range. But doesn't want to be with me
• 49:17
  right now because it serves, it serves the purpose and I think
• 49:23
  whatever it did, whatever its purpose was no longer needed.
• 49:29
  Yeah, so that's kind of cool. The other thing I keep, the
• 49:34
  other thing I keep in there was a gift for me from again, what
• 49:38
  was supposed to be Wicker Man. But it was the rain ceremony and
• 49:42
  they gave me. I think it was Amethyst or
• 49:46
  something or not. Like a purplish in color.
• 49:52
  I think it's Amethyst. Yeah.
• 49:54
  He said it was. He gave it to me and I still,
• 49:56
  he'll still owe him a gift. So I have to figure out what to
• 50:00
  get found the perfect gift for him because like because I
• 50:04
  didn't have nothing in the moment to give him so like I
• 50:09
  have to finally eat something because.
• 50:11
  That's always a that's always an interesting, you know,
• 50:15
  circumstance to find oneself in. Especially for heathens, you
• 50:19
  know when. When a gift, when a gift comes
• 50:21
  to us, you know. A gift demands a gift in return,
• 50:25
  you know. And.
• 50:27
  It's almost like, man, you know what can I give?
• 50:30
  And I think a lot of the times, at least I've fallen victim to
• 50:33
  this mentality is that I've got a gotta find something, you
• 50:37
  know, you know, extravagant or ornate or whatever, like an
• 50:42
  object, You know what I'm saying?
• 50:44
  And one of the things that I've had to learn, you know, is that
• 50:48
  not all gifts are material things.
• 50:52
  You know, the gift of time, the gift of knowledge, gift of song,
• 51:00
  the gift of speech, the gift. Like there's so many ways of
• 51:04
  gifting some. Yeah, to.
• 51:07
  Someone. Most of my gifts have been
• 51:10
  usually for myself, like for myself, you know, like I found
• 51:15
  like I've been giving, like I've been a musician myself and the
• 51:20
  things of things I have for that I anybody can play is jaw
• 51:24
  hearts. And I've been giving a bunch of
• 51:26
  them away because I have a whole bunch.
• 51:29
  I have a whole collection of my like this is a good gift idea.
• 51:35
  It's the gift of music from me to somebody who can't, who
• 51:41
  probably can't play music or play instrument.
• 51:44
  You know they can learn to play because you can learn this.
• 51:48
  You can just put easy instrument to learn.
• 51:51
  Well, difficult to master, but you can learn.
• 51:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or writing a song for them or
• 51:57
  something. You know what I mean?
• 51:58
  Like just, you know, poetry. Like there's so many.
• 52:01
  I guess all I'm saying is like there's so many options out
• 52:05
  there for the gift as it can as as, as it as it can be
• 52:09
  manifested that have to be restricted of like, oh, you gave
• 52:13
  me a rock now I need to give you a stick.
• 52:15
  You know what I mean? Like have to be exchange of
• 52:18
  material things per SE anymore there's there's so many things
• 52:22
  that can be seen as as gifts and and those gifts are you know as
• 52:28
  simple as they may seem and as basic as they may appear they
• 52:35
  are truly the treasures that are that that carry no price tag.
• 52:40
  You know what I mean? Like there's nothing that anyone
• 52:43
  could give me in exchange for a gift that a friend has given to
• 52:46
  me that I would want to be like I I'll give you this for X
• 52:49
  amount of dollars. And like, no, this is priceless
• 52:52
  to me. You know what I mean?
• 52:53
  Because if came from a position of kindness, of genuineness,
• 53:00
  right of generosity, of true purpose, you know, of knowing
• 53:04
  that it came from their heart and all that like that's that to
• 53:07
  me is, is what makes it so. Make that.
• 53:11
  Makes the it's like it's like one of my friends though he he's
• 53:16
  a yeah it is a gift that I gave him for a yield gift The biggest
• 53:26
  one I gave him was the gift of practice I gave him a little I
• 53:32
  made I made him a pocket pocket halter I gave him I got bottle
• 53:38
  box for him got got a couple tea light candles and some small
• 53:42
  instance and a little tiny instance for about that big and
• 53:47
  technically it can actually hold actually instant sticks it's got
• 53:49
  holds the six of them but it holds the cones as well a cones
• 53:53
  as well and I'm like this will be a good tool set up we're in
• 53:56
  the first practice I like just got nature's worship system yet
• 54:00
  doesn't have his own space his own household yeah.
• 54:05
  I bet that I bet that really meant something to him, man.
• 54:08
  Oh yeah. You know, 'cause I like a lot of
• 54:11
  folks that don't know where to start getting those essential
• 54:15
  items, as it were, right? Those those, those seeds to
• 54:18
  plant, you know, it's got to feel so good.
• 54:21
  You know, and I get to and I and I also get to them my old altar
• 54:25
  cloth. So you can use just either as a
• 54:27
  casting cloth for like rooms if you want to do it or if you want
• 54:31
  to use that to stay outside. You know, it was the smaller one
• 54:34
  because I got a bigger one now for my my Ulta table.
• 54:41
  Yeah. And so I kind of retired it.
• 54:43
  But since I was tired, I'm like, well, just get I it says just
• 54:47
  destroy it. I just gave it to somebody else
• 54:49
  that needed it. Yeah.
• 54:51
  And give it give it new purpose. I think the gifts of that that
• 54:57
  come, you know, from like, like what you're saying.
• 55:02
  Like you gifted somebody something that used to belong to
• 55:05
  you, that was something that you at one point used.
• 55:10
  It had a purpose. It served the purpose for you.
• 55:13
  You know and and and then you saw it.
• 55:17
  You know fit to gift it to them. Those.
• 55:20
  Types of gifts to me are like that.
• 55:22
  You can't put a price tag on things like they're they're
• 55:26
  invaluable. My wife recently, like when I
• 55:30
  went to fire on the mountain last year, she had been talking
• 55:34
  for months about this one particular style of necklace
• 55:37
  that Papa Allison would wear occasionally.
• 55:42
  And it was a sun wheel made out of milk.
• 55:45
  OK. And I so, like, I talked to him
• 55:49
  about it ahead of time. I'm like, hey, man, you ever get
• 55:52
  any more pieces of bone? Right.
• 55:54
  And. And you could craft, you could
• 55:56
  craft a new sun wheel necklace. My wife would really like one
• 56:00
  kind of like the one you've got. Right.
• 56:02
  He's like, yeah, sure. I'll keep it in mind.
• 56:03
  Right. So I go out there and I said,
• 56:07
  yeah, you know, do you happen to have, actually, I don't even
• 56:13
  think I brought it up. He said, you remember, he said,
• 56:15
  you remember the necklace that your wife really likes the, you
• 56:20
  know, the elk bone sun wheel. And I'm like, yeah, he said,
• 56:23
  well, he said I just haven't, I haven't had any extra bone come
• 56:30
  up in in in the shop. You know, he's like, so here you
• 56:34
  go and he takes it off and he gives it to me to give to her
• 56:37
  and I'm like, dude, I can't, he's like here you can.
• 56:40
  He's like she likes it and and she can have it and I'm like see
• 56:45
  that is that is such a beautiful gesture of yeah, yeah.
• 56:53
  And passing it down like knowing where it came from and then when
• 56:56
  she got it, like she wears it not all the time.
• 56:59
  She wears it for certain occasions, you know.
• 57:01
  But she loves it and and and that's what matters you know, is
• 57:05
  it's the genuine, the genuine the the the gin.
• 57:09
  What do you call it? The.
• 57:12
  Generosity. Genuineness of it.
• 57:14
  Genuineness, yes. You know where it comes from the
• 57:18
  heart, that it's not like some show of kind of like, you know,
• 57:23
  in in an opposite way. It's it's, you know, not done
• 57:26
  out of spite. It's it's not done for show.
• 57:28
  You know, you don't do things just to try to get a reaction
• 57:31
  out of somebody. You do it because it's the right
• 57:33
  thing to do and it's the meaningful thing to do in it, in
• 57:36
  it, and it really solidifies a bond between you when you do
• 57:41
  these things with people. Yeah.
• 57:43
  You know, if you're gonna go out.
• 57:45
  That's a thing. It's like, that's the reason it
• 57:50
  goes back even to being like spiteful, you know, trying to
• 57:52
  trying to circle back to the topic.
• 57:54
  Yeah. But I mean I've, I mean it goes
• 58:00
  back to even doing like things things with petty things like
• 58:04
  like one time I remember we're seeing a couple of a couple of
• 58:08
  episodes ago you were talking about cursing and stuff and like
• 58:16
  I don't ever when I as I go down the Mystic path and stuff you
• 58:22
  know I'm learning magic and stuff.
• 58:24
  I'd like to learn curses until until later my focus is on
• 58:28
  healing, but but to do like curse somebody that'll fight,
• 58:36
  you know, because you. Oh.
• 58:40
  Yeah, boy that's that's one thing about me is I'm the
• 58:43
  quickest to forget like the friend I told you about that I
• 58:47
  guys, you guys get the altar. Little pocket altar we I went.
• 58:53
  I've casted inside like two or three times, but I've always
• 59:00
  brought them back in because the stuff that he's done was was so
• 59:06
  petty. It's not it's nothing to outlaw
• 59:10
  him for, you know. I mean I don't have I never
• 59:14
  outlawed him completely. I just like broke off because of
• 59:17
  like dude, you need to work on yourself and so he's starting to
• 59:23
  show some improvement stuff. I mean he's got what I have.
• 59:27
  Was it worse? Sometimes he's got agoraphobia.
• 59:29
  He don't want to be around people.
• 59:32
  And I've been trying for a while to get him to come out to
• 59:35
  rituals and stuff with me and places.
• 59:39
  And I think this year doing these little small rituals with
• 59:45
  him because I did one like on the full moon.
• 59:50
  I did a scobby ritual with him. You know, I was like, man, you
• 59:55
  won't come over, utilize this full moon with me.
• 59:58
  He said like sure because he was off work and.
• 1:00:02
  So I lit the fire pit and we did a ritual of Scotty and that was,
• 1:00:13
  and that I think that kind of like said things into
• 1:00:15
  perspective for him. If he said he felt better after
• 1:00:20
  that, I'm like, you do feel better after ritual like that.
• 1:00:24
  And so hopefully I can get him because he won't even eat out,
• 1:00:31
  even eat out in a restaurant because he's there's like people
• 1:00:34
  staring at him or something. I get it.
• 1:00:37
  I mean, I get it. I get it.
• 1:00:39
  I mean I've had to force myself to get with.
• 1:00:41
  I'm getting out and into the community and stuff like that
• 1:00:45
  before. And that's The thing is I I I do
• 1:00:51
  things to him whenever I separate myself.
• 1:00:54
  For him it's well, I'm not not fight it or malice or anything
• 1:01:02
  like that, you know, It's I do things because I care about him
• 1:01:08
  deeply that I and I wish him the best and I'll hope.
• 1:01:11
  But you can't change, you know I can't waste my breath on you.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah. But he's showing you.
• 1:01:23
  You know, as long as you're showing your genuine side
• 1:01:27
  towards people, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:28
  If you, if you genuinely care for someone's well-being, then
• 1:01:31
  that's what's going to come out. That's what's going to show.
• 1:01:34
  That's that's how it's going to manifest.
• 1:01:36
  And that's that's why that's your why in the world.
• 1:01:39
  You know, that's that's your purpose.
• 1:01:40
  That's what you're going to do for the reasons you're going to
• 1:01:42
  do it. It's it's not to be, you know,
• 1:01:47
  you know, the some, some, some sort of, you know, charlatan.
• 1:01:52
  You're not trying to make a buck.
• 1:01:53
  You're not trying to just, you know, get some light some
• 1:01:56
  whatever this or that, right? I mean.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah. When, when, when you're genuine
• 1:02:02
  about it, that's it's going to show you can't, you can't hide
• 1:02:07
  truth. Yeah, like just like you can't
• 1:02:16
  like he like some of the things he's done.
• 1:02:18
  I've accused him of things that he says he did not do exactly.
• 1:02:24
  You know which kind of seems that way.
• 1:02:27
  Like I I accuse him of cheating or cheating on my one of my exes
• 1:02:35
  or at one point because the way it looked you know because it
• 1:02:40
  was after break up 14 hours later he got with her or they
• 1:02:44
  got together kind of was suspicious but they they The
• 1:02:50
  thing is it's all water in the bridge now it's we don't have
• 1:02:57
  any no boy between us and that's good.
• 1:02:59
  Whatever I do I wish him the best.
• 1:03:02
  I wish he would change sometimes, but you can't just
• 1:03:06
  force people to change. No, no, dude, I know I'm.
• 1:03:11
  I could, I could write a book on that, but.
• 1:03:15
  Nobody's going to if somebody who's dead setting their way is
• 1:03:19
  not going to change at all that was that was your breath to just
• 1:03:24
  try to force them onto using your way.
• 1:03:30
  They're going to do things in their own time.
• 1:03:32
  Yeah. And then their.
• 1:03:34
  Own way, you can, you can try. You can try it first, you know
• 1:03:37
  you can try it first. But once they start them showing
• 1:03:42
  that resistance and constantly show resistance, you just got to
• 1:03:46
  not waste your breath on it. Yeah, you there.
• 1:03:49
  There comes a point where you've got to decide when to take the
• 1:03:56
  ship into harbor, let them off and continue sailing, and either
• 1:04:03
  they're going to, either they're going to be there when you come
• 1:04:06
  back around and pick them up again, or they're not.
• 1:04:08
  Yeah, that's the way it's going to be, my friend.
• 1:04:11
  It's even with my friend he's like he's showing some promise
• 1:04:14
  now like that's the way he he says he's he'll do this and do
• 1:04:19
  this and this and this but I don't know.
• 1:04:22
  But but it's worth a shot you know and time tails and
• 1:04:28
  hopefully hopefully this this you coming you'll celebration
• 1:04:33
  with him he'll put in a little bit bigger perspective.
• 1:04:36
  That's the reason why I wanted to do it a lot just to just hand
• 1:04:39
  in another friend or just a couple of friends with small
• 1:04:43
  friends doing. He's in vain, yeah.
• 1:04:46
  Right, man, Right. Exactly.
• 1:04:48
  Really want to be people who would say they want to be
• 1:04:50
  heathen who never actually came out to a Heathen's event and
• 1:04:56
  like, well, here's your chance. Here's your chance.
• 1:04:59
  What's this, dude? Just what's that?
• 1:05:00
  Just that. So you don't have to be around
• 1:05:01
  people. Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  You know, man, like, what's up with that?
• 1:05:05
  You know, you do what you talk about.
• 1:05:06
  All you know that that's. I've seen that too, right
• 1:05:09
  people? That everybody wants to be
• 1:05:11
  heathen until it's time to do heathen stuff?
• 1:05:14
  Yeah, it's like everybody wants to be.
• 1:05:17
  Everybody wants to do the everybody wants to dance until
• 1:05:22
  it's time to dance. Yeah, you know the curtain call
• 1:05:28
  comes on and when when it's when it's time for the metal to meet
• 1:05:30
  the meet, you know, and everybody that was all this,
• 1:05:33
  they're all, they're flapping their jaws talking a big game
• 1:05:36
  when it. Comes to.
• 1:05:37
  Put the metal to the meet and put the boots to the ground.
• 1:05:39
  Where the heck are you? That's.
• 1:05:41
  The reason why? That's one of the reasons why my
• 1:05:43
  old fried kind of fiddled out. It's because we were trying to
• 1:05:47
  put a lot of effort and energy into getting people to cut.
• 1:05:50
  Just we were trying to be like an open type hop place, you
• 1:05:53
  know, for people to learn, come and learn and every time we get
• 1:05:59
  people interested because we didn't put our, we don't put, we
• 1:06:04
  didn't put our private address out.
• 1:06:05
  It was a private address, a private property.
• 1:06:08
  We didn't put it out there for everybody.
• 1:06:10
  We would give it to them privately and when they asked
• 1:06:14
  for the address, they would not show up.
• 1:06:18
  It's like people say where is this at?
• 1:06:20
  Where address is that? Then we give them the address
• 1:06:22
  and they don't even show up or even let us know they're not
• 1:06:24
  coming. Yeah, and that's where we like.
• 1:06:28
  And so we decided to spam because it was putting too much
• 1:06:34
  toll on. It's a lot.
• 1:06:38
  It's a lot of. Things at the grassroots level
• 1:06:42
  and there's not a lot of, you know, and I'm not trying to I'm
• 1:06:45
  not, I'm not trying to diminish the the the doers, right.
• 1:06:50
  I mean 'cause there are definitely people out here that
• 1:06:52
  are putting in the work putting in a lot of work and it shows
• 1:06:58
  and it shows well for them, right.
• 1:07:01
  Their their reputation is growing their their might and
• 1:07:03
  their main is, is is is growing exponentially, right.
• 1:07:06
  And that's all great, but there's there's so much else
• 1:07:11
  that I that I tend to see too. That's it's like, man, you know,
• 1:07:14
  if if you're asking about stuff, if you're wanting to know about
• 1:07:17
  stuff, then why aren't you putting in the effort?
• 1:07:22
  To. Follow up on the things that are
• 1:07:24
  happening. In your area.
• 1:07:26
  Even if it's in, you know, within an hour or so of.
• 1:07:28
  Your area. Granted, it's not going to be
• 1:07:30
  like, oh, it's not just two doors down.
• 1:07:33
  I can't just walk into my backyard.
• 1:07:35
  It'll be there. Like, no, of course not.
• 1:07:36
  Like you got to get like, there's put some effort into
• 1:07:41
  this. Prove your worth, people.
• 1:07:45
  Are I don't like their worth you?
• 1:07:47
  Prove your worth to them. They're proving their worth to
• 1:07:49
  you. There has to be this mutual
• 1:07:52
  Worthing that takes place between people for us to happen
• 1:07:56
  like that's. Fundamental either I'm not.
• 1:07:59
  I'm not put peace though is I don't care how people say or how
• 1:08:03
  people do their their practice. You know, you know, my my thing
• 1:08:10
  is, my thing is they need to actually do practice.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, you're not calling yourself heated unless you're
• 1:08:15
  doing heat and shit. You know I mean if if there's a
• 1:08:20
  group if there's a thing that's happening and and it's you know
• 1:08:24
  you know open to the public or or or at least an invite only
• 1:08:28
  sort of thing to do stuff and and you were the one invited.
• 1:08:33
  You. Realize that there are probably
• 1:08:34
  others that wish they were invited that didn't get invited.
• 1:08:37
  And then you didn't show up and the others missed out on the
• 1:08:40
  opportunity because why? Why Why didn't you show up?
• 1:08:44
  Why 'cause you were too lazy. You didn't feel like it.
• 1:08:47
  Like what's? What's a good reason why you
• 1:08:49
  can't, you know, show up for the thing?
• 1:08:53
  When you've been. When you've been invited, When
• 1:08:55
  you've been called upon. Or you've been talking about it.
• 1:08:59
  We've been talking about that you're going to come out and do
• 1:09:01
  this and you want to is you believe in this, this, this.
• 1:09:04
  Well, don't call yourself a practitioner of of it.
• 1:09:10
  Unless you actually do the practice, actually go out there
• 1:09:13
  and do it right, it won't be done.
• 1:09:16
  Yeah. Don't call.
• 1:09:18
  Yourself. The thing if you're not doing
• 1:09:19
  the thing. Like I'm calling you both, man.
• 1:09:24
  Yeah, 'cause we'll see it. We'll we'll we'll see it.
• 1:09:30
  We'll be like, Hey, you say you're this, but your deeds show
• 1:09:36
  otherwise. Oh yeah, and see me.
• 1:09:39
  I'm, I'm, I'm coming more out of my shell now.
• 1:09:41
  I used to be like a reserve type person, even ritual.
• 1:09:44
  Now I'm just, I'm going full hang out.
• 1:09:49
  I was like like this this year was like, I want to get out and
• 1:09:53
  actually start howling at the moon or what's left of it.
• 1:09:58
  That's such a good feeling. I'll tell you that fire on the
• 1:10:01
  mountain when when we had our drum circle up there underneath
• 1:10:08
  the moon, there was howling. There was howling.
• 1:10:12
  Come on, dude. Yeah, I would.
• 1:10:14
  I would love. I would love to be a part of a
• 1:10:16
  group where we have have shoulder.
• 1:10:19
  Did you see that that that was that.
• 1:10:23
  I mean that was an awesome video too.
• 1:10:26
  I mean I because the video. I still got it on deck because
• 1:10:30
  every now and then I'm just like, I got to play this thing
• 1:10:32
  because it reminds me how awesome it was.
• 1:10:35
  But The thing is I one thing is I was wanting to do is I wanted
• 1:10:39
  to get to a point where we have kids at tribe.
• 1:10:43
  Tribe events that are coming of age especially around this time
• 1:10:47
  of year which is the time of year to do coming of age
• 1:10:50
  ceremony where they get out and they they they transfer the
• 1:10:54
  fellows into wolves and just terrorize the neighborhood, the
• 1:10:58
  village, the women of the village you know and that and
• 1:11:02
  it's becoming a very certain like we could do that in our
• 1:11:05
  groove is like we'll just get these pull the pull the get the
• 1:11:09
  young teenagers aside and we teenage men aside and then start
• 1:11:15
  terrorizing all the girls. So that's fun.
• 1:11:18
  It was it was really fun. It was like, you know, it's just
• 1:11:24
  like like how people went around saying it's like their version
• 1:11:28
  of going around on Halloween and and say and setting back to
• 1:11:33
  people on fire. Right.
• 1:11:36
  Yeah. Just a just a good just a good
• 1:11:40
  bit of ruckus, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:41
  Yeah, good ruckus. Like that's what we need.
• 1:11:44
  That's where it means a lot more ruckus.
• 1:11:48
  In the, in it, in its proper applications.
• 1:11:52
  Ain't nothing wrong with that, you know.
• 1:11:54
  Oh yeah. And then when everybody knows
• 1:11:55
  it's going to happen, too, when you when everybody's expensing
• 1:12:01
  it. Oh yeah, But I just like.
• 1:12:06
  We reminds me of the fire on the mountain man where like one
• 1:12:11
  night me and Papa and Zeb, we were we were awake and most
• 1:12:18
  everybody else had fallen asleep, you know, and we were
• 1:12:22
  still awake and we were, we had been feasting earlier that day.
• 1:12:30
  We had like, elk sausage and reindeer meat and cheese and
• 1:12:37
  crackers and wine, meat and beer and all kinds of stuff out there
• 1:12:41
  at the campsite, right? Oh yeah.
• 1:12:43
  So everybody had to fallen asleep except for the three of
• 1:12:48
  us and we're like, hey, let's go raid our let's go raid the camp
• 1:12:53
  and steal all the food and let's bring it back to our own camp
• 1:12:56
  and let's feast again. So we did.
• 1:12:59
  We were like, we were like skulking around out there in the
• 1:13:02
  night, like just taking food and and and pillaging our own
• 1:13:07
  campsite. Well, you know, I mean it was
• 1:13:08
  all in fun, but it was like, they're they're asleep.
• 1:13:11
  We're like, haha, you idiots. You know we got your food.
• 1:13:18
  That would be like something you we can do for shadow mood or
• 1:13:21
  something like that. Just go to the campsite.
• 1:13:25
  See I know I'm trying to convince my friend that I'm
• 1:13:27
  telling you about he. I'm trying to I'm thinking to
• 1:13:29
  get him on board to become the shadow mood.
• 1:13:32
  Shadow mood with me and stuff. And yeah, and I I show them from
• 1:13:38
  the video of it of that last one that you had you know, and he
• 1:13:43
  felt he he sounds like he's he's all down for it.
• 1:13:46
  Well, let's go, man. Because I just said the only
• 1:13:49
  time we get they get real wild and stuff.
• 1:13:52
  You don't like when people get too wild, like party wild
• 1:13:55
  sometimes. But all right.
• 1:13:56
  Well, there's some days it's going to get that way.
• 1:13:57
  But sometimes it's it's serious business.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah, I mean, Shadowmoon is kind of one of those things where, I
• 1:14:03
  mean, yes, it's family friendly, but, you know, and and and
• 1:14:06
  there's also, you know opportunities at least, you know
• 1:14:09
  one night for for the adults to to be adults, You know what I
• 1:14:13
  mean? With respect to to to everybody,
• 1:14:15
  I mean there's rules. Everybody play, There's a Griff
• 1:14:18
  Stead, I mean everybody and all that.
• 1:14:21
  But yeah, it's a it's a it's it's a Ripper on good time,
• 1:14:24
  dude. Oh yeah.
• 1:14:26
  We should make. It up I think.
• 1:14:27
  I think he would. I think he would have some
• 1:14:29
  aspect that he would like to be a part of and others he would we
• 1:14:35
  enjoyed more like the song ritual and stuff like that.
• 1:14:39
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  Hell Blow is is one of the best rituals I've seen performed,
• 1:14:51
  been a part of you know attended that sort of thing.
• 1:14:54
  Like just everything about the last two years.
• 1:14:56
  Their. Their.
• 1:14:57
  Their hell bloat is. Oh yeah.
• 1:14:59
  So beautiful. It's it's so amazing.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah. It's.
• 1:15:03
  I can't. I can't.
• 1:15:04
  It's hard to describe in words, but it's it's you just got to
• 1:15:07
  experience it to to know what I mean, so oh.
• 1:15:11
  Yeah, but yeah, I'm, I'm kind of looking forward to that and and
• 1:15:16
  also getting looking forward just to sitting down with you
• 1:15:18
  and just chatting up and talking wisdom like this, you know,
• 1:15:23
  picking your brain. Yeah, man, it was so good to
• 1:15:26
  meet you in person last year at the show.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, I. Wish I had more time with you
• 1:15:31
  though. Because I was about to say, you
• 1:15:32
  know, unfortunately the the circumstances didn't afford us
• 1:15:35
  more time to actually hang out and and socialize.
• 1:15:38
  The down, the down and do stuff. Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  But I mean I I thought even bad in that inviting you just to
• 1:15:45
  stay at my house. I mean it would be on air mat.
• 1:15:49
  It would probably be on air matches that I would have to
• 1:15:51
  acquire from somewhere. But and you have a dog.
• 1:15:56
  You have a dog running around and stuff, but.
• 1:16:01
  You ever feeling froggy man and and and you you find yourself up
• 1:16:04
  in this area. You know, we, you know, we got a
• 1:16:07
  spare room you. Know you.
• 1:16:09
  You can spend the night we it's no problem.
• 1:16:12
  So I'm. Gonna I was gonna.
• 1:16:14
  I didn't make it this year, but I was gonna invited the year
• 1:16:17
  before. But I went to the room fair up
• 1:16:20
  there. Yeah.
• 1:16:22
  Yeah, we didn't plan for me up there one day, just one weekend.
• 1:16:28
  It's a good time. I've been a couple of times
• 1:16:30
  there to that one and it's. Yeah, it's at least it's better
• 1:16:34
  than the one that's here that we have.
• 1:16:36
  We have just, we don't have, we don't even have horses and ours
• 1:16:40
  and oh really, we don't even have a joust Joust.
• 1:16:46
  How can you call it a Ren fair without a joust?
• 1:16:48
  I know it's like a it's like it's a small.
• 1:16:52
  It's lovely. It's just vendors and shows.
• 1:16:55
  Yeah. And then I can't say it too
• 1:16:57
  long, huh? Like a medieval?
• 1:17:02
  Yeah, it's a it's basically a rain festival.
• 1:17:05
  It's in the Florence. It's only three days.
• 1:17:08
  It's only two days out of the year.
• 1:17:10
  Y'all have a full week. You have like a full month of
• 1:17:13
  it. Yeah, it's, I think it's every
• 1:17:16
  weekend leading up to Memorial Day.
• 1:17:20
  I think is is when ours is right.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah. Let's say at the same time of
• 1:17:25
  year, it's the same, exact same time of year as the one they
• 1:17:28
  have in. I think it's in Georgia.
• 1:17:31
  They have it the same time of year.
• 1:17:34
  Yeah, I think so. I prefer the ones in the like
• 1:17:39
  towards the end of the year usually like Labor Day or
• 1:17:42
  whatever there's and then then then there's there's the whole
• 1:17:46
  the Viking experience in in North Carolina.
• 1:17:49
  That's that's the thing I want to go to.
• 1:17:52
  I didn't know there was such a thing.
• 1:17:54
  I'd I'd say when you bring something like that down here,
• 1:17:57
  like I want to buy 155015 to 30 acres of land and just just to
• 1:18:03
  use as recreational land to put a rent there in a Viking
• 1:18:07
  festival here. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:09
  No, they have a they have a thing in North Carolina.
• 1:18:12
  It's called the Viking experience, TVE.
• 1:18:15
  But if you go on Facebook or whatever it's called, it's the
• 1:18:17
  Viking experience. Papa Olson's vended there.
• 1:18:19
  Zeb's, you know, Hogamore's been there.
• 1:18:22
  Yeah, it's a big, huge to do. I wish we had something like
• 1:18:28
  down here is it that was like as big as mid guard spots in
• 1:18:33
  Europe. That'd be that'd be hella cool.
• 1:18:36
  I still want. To go there I I'd like to say
• 1:18:37
  this is one of my like lifelong bucket list items is to go to
• 1:18:41
  midgards bloat. That and wagons.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah. Oh, two, yeah.
• 1:18:46
  Well, I want, I want, I want. I was over that play on.
• 1:18:49
  If I go to wagon, I want to go camping.
• 1:18:51
  There's a full camping experience and everything I.
• 1:18:53
  Mean. You'd have to.
• 1:18:54
  I mean like you're you're there in Germany in the middle of a
• 1:18:57
  freaking field. I mean you you have to the
• 1:19:01
  rainy. Seasons.
• 1:19:03
  Right, right. It's always, it's always raining
• 1:19:07
  there sometimes. That's just the nature of the of
• 1:19:12
  the of the land, man. That's.
• 1:19:13
  Gotten now gotten what's it called a Hellfest in UK?
• 1:19:18
  Yeah, Hellfest. It's either is it?
• 1:19:21
  I think it's Hell is that? Is it in a it's?
• 1:19:23
  Is it France Hellfest, I thought.
• 1:19:26
  It was in the UK, you know, I came back.
• 1:19:27
  To the UK? Yeah, it's one of them.
• 1:19:30
  Somewhere in there, yeah, yeah, there's another one.
• 1:19:34
  It's another one that Mara Morris usually likes to go to a
• 1:19:37
  lot because it's when they get this, their first starting
• 1:19:39
  festival, I forgot what it was. It's they like they go back to
• 1:19:47
  it like every year or something. Well, they've been at vodka in a
• 1:19:51
  few times. They don't even walk vodka as
• 1:19:54
  well, but it's a it's a different festival that they
• 1:19:58
  that that that's where they got their biggest start at.
• 1:20:01
  Yeah, man, Europe. Europe wrote the book on open
• 1:20:04
  air festivals, man, they they got that shit laid out.
• 1:20:07
  Yeah. Why can't we?
• 1:20:09
  Have that here like big big ones here like that we we used to
• 1:20:15
  have like. Man, we got no culture here.
• 1:20:18
  We used to have festival. Or is that like the Rock Star
• 1:20:21
  Energy Festival but in the van of Warped Tour?
• 1:20:23
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor chance of greatness.
• 1:20:31
  Oz Fest used to be the thing man.
• 1:20:32
  Oz Fest, Oz Fest and then not Fest used to be the used to be
• 1:20:36
  the jam for the USI guess. But well, dude, man, this has
• 1:20:41
  been a great conversation. The Great.
• 1:20:44
  Great. We got our topic along a lot,
• 1:20:46
  but it kind of it kind of intermediate weed in there.
• 1:20:49
  Dude, I think we I think we I I think we played.
• 1:20:52
  I I think we played ball pretty well.
• 1:20:54
  I think we covered all the bases.
• 1:20:55
  I think we. Yeah, there was, there was,
• 1:20:57
  there was. It was just simple.
• 1:20:58
  It was like, there's not a whole lot to be said on it, you know?
• 1:21:01
  Yeah, we said we're going to be said.
• 1:21:04
  It was then. That's it.
• 1:21:05
  You know, It's like we can't be spiteful towards people.
• 1:21:07
  We got to, yeah, live with another man.
• 1:21:12
  You can be, but to what end, right?
• 1:21:16
  Yeah. Ultimately, is going to happen
• 1:21:19
  when. You.
• 1:21:20
  Yeah. I don't think it's just like
• 1:21:22
  saying like you want to you want to do some, like you want to do
• 1:21:29
  something in front of a bunch of Christians and stuff like that,
• 1:21:32
  you know? Or I forgot one.
• 1:21:34
  I said one thing. I was joking, only one doing one
• 1:21:36
  thing. What time is like, Oh yeah, it
• 1:21:40
  was there was this one person on Instagram that found found these
• 1:21:44
  people running around campus and these like duck tubes, you know
• 1:21:49
  and they're just acting like duck tubes.
• 1:21:53
  I would have to send you the the video that it's funny.
• 1:21:57
  I'll, I'll have to I'll have to send that to you.
• 1:22:01
  Share that with you. I still have it saved on my
• 1:22:03
  Instagram and I was like, I'll say and I said like I wouldn't
• 1:22:07
  mind doing this in front of, you know, like a like a church in
• 1:22:10
  front of a church gathering or something like that.
• 1:22:12
  It's like she's like, Nah, I don't wish that on anybody.
• 1:22:16
  Isn't coming from a a Pagan as well, Yeah, but.
• 1:22:22
  Yeah, I think for the most part, you know, Pagans and and and you
• 1:22:26
  know, have have a heart that wants to steer away from doing
• 1:22:32
  things in a way that we feel might somehow backfire.
• 1:22:40
  Yeah, like I would like, I would like to say what kind of example
• 1:22:44
  would I would like to set for the people, for people that
• 1:22:47
  don't accept that example for us?
• 1:22:50
  Yeah, Or something that has gotten that.
• 1:22:52
  It's like like what kind of leave, leave for what kind?
• 1:22:59
  Do I want to be a better person and be above these people that
• 1:23:03
  keep shunning us? Right.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah and that's The thing is one of the things is about the
• 1:23:11
  people I work with. A lot of the the Christians I
• 1:23:13
  work with are tolerant of me. You know, they don't want me to
• 1:23:19
  talk about my paganism all the time.
• 1:23:22
  But I was like OK, they don't talk about Christianity all the
• 1:23:24
  time. It's a it's a equal two way St.
• 1:23:28
  man. Yep.
• 1:23:29
  Exactly. I mean, it goes both ways.
• 1:23:33
  You know what I'm saying? It's I don't need to bring
• 1:23:35
  myself down to your level and and and hate something out of
• 1:23:39
  ignorance or or be spiteful because just because I don't
• 1:23:43
  need to bring myself down to that level, I'm.
• 1:23:47
  I'm more informed, I'm better, I'm a better person for not
• 1:23:51
  bringing myself to that level, you know?
• 1:23:53
  What I mean? You know, they're not doing
• 1:23:55
  anything harmful to me. They're not doing anything
• 1:23:57
  harmful to us. So what if they don't like it?
• 1:23:59
  It ain't no skill. It's kind of like who Who said
• 1:24:02
  it? Like you know, I forget, but it
• 1:24:04
  was, it was a it was a stand up comic, you know, years ago.
• 1:24:07
  And it's kind of been the ongoing theme, even up to today,
• 1:24:09
  you know, So what if you get offended, right.
• 1:24:13
  Oh my God, you know, you know. Was it was it the was it George?
• 1:24:20
  Oh, what's his name it? Wasn't George Carlin, but it was
• 1:24:22
  Carlin. I missed that guy, man.
• 1:24:26
  He was like. Yeah, he was another one man.
• 1:24:28
  He was. He was.
• 1:24:29
  He was a gym. But he.
• 1:24:30
  Was like he was like he was like he was before Satan was cool.
• 1:24:37
  Facts. Facts, you know, but nothing.
• 1:24:40
  When you get offended, nothing happens.
• 1:24:42
  Not like, Oh no, you know, I'm offended and now I've got
• 1:24:45
  leprosy. No, nothing like that happens
• 1:24:48
  You. Know the only thing I can offend
• 1:24:52
  anything is that somebody constantly does something, you
• 1:24:59
  know? Like for this it's like if I'm
• 1:25:01
  all just like if somebody makes fun of me, like calls me slow or
• 1:25:04
  some of that, it constantly does that knowing that I'm on the
• 1:25:08
  spectrum. I'm going to be like, dude,
• 1:25:11
  first time I let you slide after the 4th, 5th time.
• 1:25:15
  That's not cool man. I mean doing it knowingly.
• 1:25:22
  Somebody in spite, Yeah. I think Spike had spite, deliver
• 1:25:29
  spite or something like that. Like it it it would be like a
• 1:25:36
  never ending cycle. We just kept trying to.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah, you'd never say it never would be satiated, you know?
• 1:25:46
  Oh yeah. I say pick your battles, you
• 1:25:51
  know, figure out like what's this all about and and does it
• 1:25:53
  even I, you know, I have to do that almost every day, you know?
• 1:26:01
  Just. Life, you know, and especially
• 1:26:03
  with as much social media presence as we get saturated
• 1:26:09
  with, you know, and then myself, as as someone who has a presence
• 1:26:14
  online, you know what I mean? Like, there's so many, there's
• 1:26:17
  so many opportunities for me to just be like, Nope, not doing
• 1:26:23
  this, not doing this, you know? Yeah, it's like, I want, I want
• 1:26:27
  to put somebody in their place online and they're like, but no,
• 1:26:31
  just let it slide because they're not going to, they're
• 1:26:33
  not going to hear me out. They're going to constantly come
• 1:26:35
  out with an argument. Is this somebody that can
• 1:26:37
  probably come in with a better argument, a kind of argument
• 1:26:39
  from my end, than I can because I stuck an argument?
• 1:26:45
  Yeah, well, I mean, if it's an argument, if it's a debate, you
• 1:26:47
  know what I mean? Like, look, you don't have to.
• 1:26:50
  I don't. I'm fine with people disagreeing
• 1:26:53
  on certain points, especially when it comes to like Heathenry
• 1:26:58
  related stuff because there's so much that we don't know and
• 1:27:01
  there's so much that we're continually still learning
• 1:27:05
  about, you know what I mean? So if I say something and then
• 1:27:08
  somebody else says, well, actually this that thing or the
• 1:27:10
  other and I go, well, well, what do you mean by that?
• 1:27:12
  Don't you mean this thing? And we start debating and we
• 1:27:15
  start right. I don't we don't have to agree
• 1:27:19
  on everything 100% of the time. We don't that's that's OK you
• 1:27:27
  know so but other times you know when you when you when you went
• 1:27:31
  up man I saw something earlier today and I'm just going to I'm
• 1:27:37
  going to wrap it up after this because I saw something earlier
• 1:27:41
  today and it was an article that somebody had shared to a group
• 1:27:44
  that I'm in and it was something on the lines of is is how did
• 1:27:48
  the Vikings celebrate birthdays. And I'm going I don't even want
• 1:27:52
  to click on the link because I know where this is going to go
• 1:27:56
  when I start and I start but I did I clicked on the link and
• 1:27:59
  I'm reading and I'm going Nope wrong wrong wrong, wrong, wrong,
• 1:28:03
  wrong. I'm just like and I'm like I I'm
• 1:28:06
  trying to to, like, reel myself back from the desire to want to
• 1:28:11
  go back to the person who posted this and going, first of all,
• 1:28:15
  where do I start with you sharing this bullshit of
• 1:28:18
  information, right, 'cause that's what I wanted to do.
• 1:28:23
  That's the I mean that's the right that's the way my one of
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  my old friends with the with the what we call it where we can put
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  there the Getty on my other group of my last five she would
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  go online and try to correct everybody and she's like I'm
• 1:28:36
  more that she's more Recon than I am.
• 1:28:42
  I'm like, but The thing is, I was also, I was also based on
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  myself at one part, but about somebody on a Facebook post
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  talking about going to Valhalla, it's like if I want to go to
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  Valhalla, that's where I'm going to go, you know and like,
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  because. That's your decision, yeah.
• 1:29:03
  Yeah, it's your decision. Yeah, you could try.
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  You could try. You could try as you might to
• 1:29:09
  get in, but you're not going to get it.
• 1:29:11
  Probably get it the way you're going, like go join the
• 1:29:15
  military. You know, I'm just I I.
• 1:29:20
  You know, it's it's it's more and more.
• 1:29:22
  To the point where I get to the to this realization that I just
• 1:29:26
  need to sit back and watch a lot of times and watch and grab a
• 1:29:32
  grab a bowl of popcorn. Yep.
• 1:29:34
  And just observe. You know if, if you.
• 1:29:39
  You know, it's just like. Me, I'm, I'm kind of welcome to
• 1:29:42
  the apocalyptic events that come like, sometimes, you know, Yeah,
• 1:29:47
  it's like they're talking about, you know, how they're talking
• 1:29:49
  about lately a massive solar storm may hit the Earth.
• 1:29:52
  I'm like, bring it on. Is that?
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  Great, actually, actually, may be.
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  Beneficial because it may take us back to good time.
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  A better, a better, a better sense of better time.
• 1:30:07
  It might be just what we need. Yeah, you're you're off the.
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  Internet, you know a good. Dose.
• 1:30:12
  Of reality of remember that we remember.
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  How not all that long ago. None of this.
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  Mattered. Didn't even.
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  Wasn't even a thing. Didn't matter.
• 1:30:21
  Didn't we Didn't need it. Yeah, we.
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  And that's the problem. Is is.
• 1:30:27
  We've become. We've we've unfortunately become
• 1:30:31
  a society that does need it. Yeah, for.
• 1:30:35
  I mean, I'm not saying you and I need.
• 1:30:36
  It or what I'm just. Saying like.
• 1:30:38
  You know, a lot of people would would crumble, would fall apart
• 1:30:45
  at the seams if the Internet was gone.
• 1:30:50
  Yeah, every Gen. Z or.
• 1:30:54
  Late millennial would be like panicking like crazy.
• 1:30:59
  Yeah, give me. One is that I think like when
• 1:31:04
  some people take. Have got their phones take away
• 1:31:06
  it'll seem just air scrolling like this just in their.
• 1:31:12
  Sleep I'm like I. Mean I'm guilty of scrolling and
• 1:31:16
  doing the scroll dance myself but I mean I grew up in I grew
• 1:31:20
  up in point on the cusp of technology coming out like that.
• 1:31:27
  I remember like when social media first came out I needed
• 1:31:30
  that dose. This was before cell It was on a
• 1:31:33
  cell phone, like I had to get back to my computer, right?
• 1:31:38
  And I'm like. And I was like, and myself now
• 1:31:41
  like. What am I doing?
• 1:31:43
  Yeah, it's like. Because I wanted to show my.
• 1:31:47
  Phone sometime. Grab a nine iron and just.
• 1:31:52
  Whack the shit. Out of it and do it fine.
• 1:31:57
  I hear you, man. I hear you.
• 1:31:59
  Hold, hold on one with the. Samsung.
• 1:32:06
  I got I got one of them. Was it the the Motorola I?
• 1:32:09
  Got another I got a Motorola because the the the old LG phone
• 1:32:13
  that I had, they don't even make them anymore.
• 1:32:17
  And I'm like, this thing was a beast.
• 1:32:18
  It was great. I owned, I had it for like 3
• 1:32:21
  years. It worked phenomenal.
• 1:32:22
  And then I thrown off of a vehicle and I landed on it and
• 1:32:26
  it bent and it broke. So I'm like, I got to get a new
• 1:32:28
  phone. I'm like, can I get another one
• 1:32:30
  like this? So like, oh, they don't make
• 1:32:31
  those anymore. LG doesn't make phones anymore.
• 1:32:33
  I'm like with the devil. Well, I I didn't.
• 1:32:39
  Make them cheaper now for like straight talk.
• 1:32:42
  Still, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:32:44
  The. The one, the.
• 1:32:45
  One the reason why I have a Samsung right now.
• 1:32:47
  I mean, I've had Samsung on and off, even for like for straight
• 1:32:51
  talk and stuff like that, but the one I got was a Christmas,
• 1:32:55
  Christmas gift for my mom a couple of weeks years back.
• 1:32:59
  And The thing is, before that I got, I got my ex's old Motorola,
• 1:33:06
  which was more state-of-the-art than the Sam.
• 1:33:08
  And it's like like I have a good phone now and then all of a
• 1:33:13
  sudden like like two or three weeks or two or three months
• 1:33:16
  later my mom surprised me with with this phone here.
• 1:33:20
  And I'm like, Oh well, it's better because it's got 3-1
• 1:33:24
  more, two more cameras on it than my other one because the
• 1:33:28
  dancers had four cameras. My son had four cameras.
• 1:33:32
  It's a little Italian one. That's the night vision camera.
• 1:33:35
  It's crazy, the technology, what they're what they're capable of
• 1:33:38
  now, but. But yeah, man, I think we're
• 1:33:41
  going to wrap it up now because we've been, we've been, we've
• 1:33:43
  been cranking this episode. Out, which I appreciate.
• 1:33:47
  Everybody like imagine, imagine if you were just sitting here
• 1:33:50
  stoned. With you for hours?
• 1:33:53
  Oh, easily. You kidding me?
• 1:33:56
  Easily. Can you imagine there's no live
• 1:33:58
  stream that they were never? In.
• 1:34:03
  Which is Neil Stream, but for everybody that is still here,
• 1:34:13
  you know, listening. Watching you guys that have
• 1:34:15
  stuck all the way through to the end, be sure to check the
• 1:34:18
  description and the show notes for Skaldic Works's links.
• 1:34:23
  He's got, you know, social media that you can follow him on,
• 1:34:26
  music that he plays and and and and stuff.
• 1:34:29
  So. So check the description for all
• 1:34:32
  of his links and stuff down there.
• 1:34:34
  And thank you all for tuning in and listening and watching
• 1:34:37
  today's episode. Before I sign everybody else
• 1:34:40
  off. Blake, is there anything that
• 1:34:42
  you want to add or or say as a wrap up?
• 1:34:46
  Yeah, just. Again, check my link again.
• 1:34:52
  I'm fixing to probably start my own little Patreon page, which
• 1:34:57
  will all start doing like not lessons, but probably like
• 1:35:00
  workshop. All right.
• 1:35:04
  On your toggle heart. Yeah, for people.
• 1:35:07
  Who there'll? Probably be some people who it
• 1:35:11
  has a has a language barrier there for some people given that
• 1:35:14
  a lot of people are that follow me on there or from overseas so
• 1:35:19
  it'll probably be in English or some sort so I have to figure
• 1:35:23
  out one out so and that's in the works.
• 1:35:26
  That's in the works great man. Well, we'll be, we'll be sure to
• 1:35:31
  keep. An eye out for that?
• 1:35:32
  And look forward to seeing what more you provide in in 2024 and
• 1:35:36
  beyond. Oh yeah, it's gonna be it's
• 1:35:39
  gonna be it's gonna be a good year.
• 1:35:41
  I I. Feel it's gonna be a decent year
• 1:35:45
  for at least. Spirituality, at least.
• 1:35:47
  Great. For me at least.
• 1:35:48
  At least for at least for me. At least for me.
• 1:35:51
  It's gonna be a good year. Yeah, definitely, absolutely.
• 1:35:56
  Let's make it. Let's let's all make it a good.
• 1:35:58
  Year right. Like we're just we're kicking
• 1:35:59
  off season five episode today with you.
• 1:36:03
  Good vibes. Good.
• 1:36:04
  Good. Good attitude.
• 1:36:06
  You know we're not spying and hopefully I'll come back later
• 1:36:09
  this. Season.
• 1:36:11
  Absolutely. It was.
• 1:36:12
  This year. We'll talk about crazy stuff.
• 1:36:16
  Yeah, it's going to be fun, man. It's going to be great.
• 1:36:19
  So thank you all. We're here.
• 1:36:22
  For tuning in today. And listening to this episode of
• 1:36:25
  the Random Heathen Ramblings podcast, episode one of season
• 1:36:28
  five in the books with Blake from Scald.
• 1:36:31
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• 1:36:33
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• 1:36:55
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• 1:36:59
  you and may your ancestors smile upon you.
• 1:37:02
  We'll see you in the next one.