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Did This _Grieving Wife_ Stage the Perfect Crime_ _ Killer Women With Piers Morgan · History Dark

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: See, Rebecca, I don't know what to think. You're either
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: the victim of an extraordinary miscarriage of justice, in which
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: case your incarceration here for the rest of your life
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  Speaker 1: is unspeakably unfair, or you're a cold, calculating murderess and
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: the best liar I've ever met in my life. And
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I don't know which one
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: A Clearwater woman says she walked into her home this
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: afternoon to find her husband lying on the floor dead.
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  Speaker 3: It's Larry.
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  Speaker 1: It's Larry A. Benton.
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  Speaker 4: And he loves me and I love him.
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  Speaker 5: And this cannot be happening.
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  Speaker 6: I really think she thought she was smarter than we
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  Speaker 6: were and she was going to commit this perfect crime.
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  Speaker 7: The relationship, there's no infidelity.
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  Speaker 8: None.
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  Speaker 9: None.
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  Speaker 10: It had everything, you know, the sex, drugs, and rock
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  Speaker 10: and roll that you don't really get in every case.
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  Speaker 3: I'm highly educated.
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  Speaker 8: I'm a woman of the Wall Street Journal and USA Today.
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  Speaker 8: I was always told that I could be anything that
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  Speaker 8: I wanted to be.
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  Speaker 11: Rebecca, you're under arrest. for the murder of Larry Fenton.
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  Speaker 12: It's just hard to picture this woman with her fingers
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  Speaker 12: wrapped around a gun, killing her husband.
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  Speaker 1: Are you 100% certain that she did this?
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  Speaker 13: Rebecca Fenton, with 100% absolute certainty, shot and killed Larry Fenton.
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  Speaker 14: I think about her often. I believe she's innocent. I
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  Speaker 14: believe she was wrongly convicted, yes.
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  Speaker 8: I sit here today because of what he said and
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  Speaker 8: I'm telling you it's a lie.
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  Speaker 1: You're hoping for an appeal that's going to get you
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  Speaker 1: out of here, that's going to clear your name. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to just do something. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: look down the camera, and I want you to tell
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  Speaker 1: people watching this who might be deeply skeptical why you're innocent.
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  Speaker 8: I was very much in love with my husband. I
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  Speaker 8: had a lifestyle that was very grand. It would not
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  Speaker 8: have done me any good whatsoever to hurt him. I
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  Speaker 8: would not have gained anything monetarial. I would have gained
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  Speaker 8: more by having him alive. I'm not spiritually capable of
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  Speaker 8: hurting anybody. I'm not a murderer. I did not do this.
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  Speaker 5: Go ahead, call her.
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  Speaker 13: What's going on?
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  Speaker 8: My husband has been, it looks like shot or stabbed
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  Speaker 8: or something.
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  Speaker 1: Something's not moving.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's even alive.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't been ransacked.
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  Speaker 5: Please, please, please hurry.
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  Speaker 12: You've got to hurry.
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  Speaker 5: We have officers coming, okay?
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  Speaker 3: This is my life.
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  Speaker 7: This is my life.
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  Speaker 4: I can't live without this.
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  Speaker 1: On Super Bowl Sunday 2008, Rebecca made a frantic phone
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  Speaker 1: call to the police. She had just discovered her husband's
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  Speaker 1: body lying in a pool of blood. Their house, the
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  Speaker 1: scene of Larry's murder, stood here. Now it's an empty lot.
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  Speaker 9: I actually was standing out on the end of my driveway,
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  Speaker 9: smoking a cigarette, and all of a sudden, bang, bang, bang.
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  Speaker 9: A Clearwater woman says she walked from her garage into
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  Speaker 9: her home this afternoon to find her husband lying on
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  Speaker 9: the floor dead.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately they arrive.
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  Speaker 9: Rebecca runs out of the house and meets one of
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  Speaker 9: them on the sidewalk. And she really looked in grief.
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  Speaker 6: We believed that it was a home invasion robbery. A
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  Speaker 6: complete unknown stranger had come into their home and killed
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  Speaker 6: her husband. Rebecca had a friend with her. She was calm.
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  Speaker 6: She was shaking a bit. And I felt for her.
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  Speaker 6: And my job really was to find out who did
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  Speaker 6: this to her and to her family.
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  Speaker 1: At what point did you meet Larry? Can you remember
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  Speaker 1: the first time?
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  Speaker 8: I do remember. I took really good care of myself
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  Speaker 8: and I worked out avidly at a gym. And Larry
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  Speaker 8: worked out at the same gym that I did. And
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  Speaker 8: I had seen him before but really gave him no
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  Speaker 8: notice and no mind. And he and I both approached
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  Speaker 8: the same workout machine one morning, and it struck up
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  Speaker 8: a conversation between the two of us.
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  Speaker 1: What was your first impression of Larry when you first
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  Speaker 1: met him?
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  Speaker 8: My very first impression? He was very tall. He was
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  Speaker 8: a good-looking man. He looked an awful lot like Clint Eastwood.
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  Speaker 8: When he spoke with me, he was very refined. He
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  Speaker 8: was articulate, and he carried himself with quite a sense
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  Speaker 8: of class, and I was taken with that.
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  Speaker 1: How quickly did the relationship develop into something quite serious
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  Speaker 1: for you?
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  Speaker 8: Very quickly. Very quickly. We dated for a couple of months.
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  Speaker 8: It became very serious. We were married within a year
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  Speaker 8: to follow.
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  Speaker 1: When you had the fairy tale wedding day, did you
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  Speaker 1: really feel, this is true love?
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  Speaker 8: I knew it was. It was the most wonderful day
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  Speaker 8: of my life.
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  Speaker 1: I can see the thought of it is making you
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  Speaker 1: happy but also sad.
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  Speaker 8: It's bittersweet. It's bittersweet. But it is a wonderful memory
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  Speaker 8: that I haven't thought of in a long time. Thank
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  Speaker 8: you for bringing that up.
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  Speaker 1: Larry had a very good job. He was earning good money.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of lifestyle did you have with Larry?
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  Speaker 8: Very spoiled, very pampered. Anything I wanted, I got. I
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  Speaker 8: didn't ask for a lot, but I mean, I had
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  Speaker 8: a beautiful car and beautiful clothes, beautiful things in my home,
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  Speaker 8: a gorgeous house, the nail salon, the hair salon, the spa, shopping,
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  Speaker 8: things of that sort. Very, very good lifestyle.
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  Speaker 15: They moved in and the thing about the wife is
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  Speaker 15: Rebecca was one of those ladies that looked so fantastically
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  Speaker 15: super that whenever she came outside, all the men on
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  Speaker 15: the block would come out to get their mail. So
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  Speaker 15: she was quite a looker. He was very quiet. We
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  Speaker 15: thought It was a drug deal gone bad because Larry
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  Speaker 15: was a pharmaceutical rep and, you know, the rumors start
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  Speaker 15: to spread. He didn't sign off on some big deal
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  Speaker 15: and the mafia came from New Jersey and took him out.
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  Speaker 1: It was just all kinds of crazy stuff going on.
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  Speaker 2: Neighbors on Nokomis Street say they aren't sure what to
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  Speaker 2: think after 57-year-old Larry Fenton was found shot to death
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  Speaker 2: in his own home.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Police did take Fenton's wife in for questioning, but they
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  Speaker 2: say that's just a normal part of the investigation.
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  Speaker 5: The more evidence, obviously, we can get, the quicker it
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  Speaker 5: will be to capture who's done this.
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  Speaker 11: Do we have an idea of anything? The neighbors? Anybody?
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  Speaker 5: The other officers are out there talking to the neighbors.
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  Speaker 5: They're doing canvassing, but they haven't gotten back to me yet.
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  Speaker 6: Her behavior was not.
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  Speaker 8: unnatural.
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  Speaker 6: She was asking me, what have you found? What did
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  Speaker 6: the neighbors say?
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  Speaker 11: They told me that he's definitely gone, that he can't
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  Speaker 11: be brought back to life or nothing.
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  Speaker 6: I treated her like a grieving wife that really had
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  Speaker 6: this tragic thing happen to her.
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  Speaker 1: Let's turn to the day that Larry died, obviously incredibly
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  Speaker 1: painful day. Tell me in your words what happened.
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  Speaker 8: Larry was home. He was watching Tiger Woods and then
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  Speaker 8: was going to take a nap and watch the Super
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  Speaker 8: Bowl later on that evening. I checked on him to
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  Speaker 8: see if he needed anything. He said that we would
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  Speaker 8: order a pizza later, and I went back out to
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  Speaker 8: the gym. The last thing that my husband said to
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  Speaker 8: me was, I love you. I had the music blaring
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  Speaker 8: and was working out. I walked into my house at
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  Speaker 8: approximately 4.30, 5 o'clock in the afternoon. And I found
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  Speaker 8: my husband in a pool of blood. I've never seen
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  Speaker 8: so much blood in my life. And I could see
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  Speaker 8: from where I was standing that my house had been ransacked.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't know. if Larry had fallen down the stairs,
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  Speaker 8: if Larry had been shot, if Larry had been stabbed.
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  Speaker 8: I had no idea what had happened. But I frantically
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  Speaker 8: tried to take his pulse and then ran outside to
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  Speaker 8: call 911. I thought my husband was still alive because
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  Speaker 8: his eyes were open. And I told him to hold on.
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  Speaker 8: My world has not been the same since. And nothing
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  Speaker 8: has made much sense for me since that time.
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  Speaker 1: But the police seem pretty certain that you were the killer.
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  Speaker 1: That you cold-bloodedly took a gun and pumped five bullets
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  Speaker 1: into your husband until he was dead. That's what they believe.
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  Speaker 2: A Clearwater home is now a crime scene after someone
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  Speaker 2: shot and killed a man.
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  Speaker 1: Police are still at that home tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Forensic experts are combing through the house on Nekoma Street,
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  Speaker 2: trying to get some answers.
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  Speaker 7: In your relationship, there's no infidelity?
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  Speaker 5: None.
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  Speaker 9: None.
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  Speaker 11: None.
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  Speaker 1: On the night of the murder, Rebecca went willingly to
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  Speaker 1: the police station. She underwent hours of questioning. never once
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  Speaker 1: asking for a lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: When you start talking to friends and relatives, everyone really
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  Speaker 6: painted this perfect marriage. But there were certain times she
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  Speaker 6: would look like she was crying and her face would
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  Speaker 6: get red, but no tears would ever roll out.
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  Speaker 11: We are madly in love with each other. We're still
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  Speaker 11: on our honeymoon. And if you can question some other people,
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  Speaker 11: they'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 6: That was a little bit odd, but everybody takes grief
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  Speaker 6: in different ways.
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  Speaker 7: We were thinking about this, and both of us are married,
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  Speaker 7: and we thought, well, if this happened to us, we
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  Speaker 7: don't think we would have left our spouse aside during
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  Speaker 7: that time. I mean, especially if we thought there was
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  Speaker 7: some hope that they were alive.
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  Speaker 11: I got scared. I thought the best thing for me
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  Speaker 11: to do was to get out of the house.
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  Speaker 7: What were you scared of at that time?
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  Speaker 11: What had happened? Call the police. Get people there as
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  Speaker 11: soon as possible.
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  Speaker 5: What I didn't understand, though, is why you take the
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  Speaker 5: time to go upstairs. The danger upstairs. The unknown upstairs.
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  Speaker 5: Why would you put yourself in that situation?
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  Speaker 11: The more.
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  Speaker 6: I pressed her for information. The more she knew that
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  Speaker 6: I no longer believed that she was the grieving wife,
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  Speaker 6: and I was really starting to focus my investigation on her.
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  Speaker 7: So the person that ransacked the place probably killed him first,
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  Speaker 7: you think?
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  Speaker 11: I can't put my life in the bag.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 14: When I first met her, And actually throughout my representation
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  Speaker 14: of her, she was kind of like a broken person, sad,
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  Speaker 14: incredulous that anyone could accuse her of killing her husband.
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  Speaker 14: She was devastated by his death, so tragic for her
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  Speaker 14: to find him in a pool of blood in their home.
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  Speaker 14: They had a good life, and she loved him, and
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  Speaker 14: I have no reason to doubt that.
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca had been living with Larry in the neighborhood for
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  Speaker 1: three years at the time of the murder. But few
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  Speaker 1: people knew much about her. Rebecca, tell me about your upbringing.
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  Speaker 8: My mother lost me when I was two years old
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  Speaker 8: in a heroin house. I was born both addicted to
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  Speaker 8: alcohol and to heroin. She never really gave me up.
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  Speaker 8: She lost me. And I was raised by my adoptive
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  Speaker 8: folks until the time I was 18 years old.
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  Speaker 1: How would you categorize your childhood? Pretty happy?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Yes. We had birthday parties in the Tooth Fairy. Always
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  Speaker 8: told that I was loved, that I was hand-chosen, and
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  Speaker 8: was always told that no matter what I did in
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  Speaker 8: life to do the very best at it and that
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  Speaker 8: I could be anything that I wanted to be.
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  Speaker 1: What did you want to be? What was your dream
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  Speaker 1: when you were young?
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  Speaker 8: I remember wanting to get into nursing. I remember another
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  Speaker 8: time I wanted to be an airline stewardess.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to know what to make of Rebecca Fenton.
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  Speaker 1: Few people wanted to talk to me about her, We
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  Speaker 1: do know that she did work as a nurse for
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  Speaker 1: a time, but marrying Larry changed all that. Rebecca's adoptive
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: mother didn't feel able to go on camera, but there
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: was one person who had become close to her in
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: the final years before the murder, and she agreed to
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: meet me, Rebecca's biological mother. Karen, let's go back to
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  Speaker 1: the very start. You had to give up your daughter, Rebecca.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the circumstances surrounding that.
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  Speaker 12: It was the 60s. You know, and I was not
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  Speaker 12: the most reputable person at the time. I was not
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  Speaker 12: able to control my own life or manage it. So
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  Speaker 12: in light of certain events, I did lose custody of her.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Would it be fair to say that you had a
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: problem with alcohol?
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  Speaker 12: Absolutely fair to say drugs and alcohol were a problem.
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  Speaker 8: In the 60s.
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  Speaker 1: So did you have any real complaint when they took
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca away from you?
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  Speaker 8: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 12: I felt it was the best thing in the world
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  Speaker 12: for her.
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  Speaker 1: How did it happen that you then got back into
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  Speaker 1: her life?
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  Speaker 12: Her biological father was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. And I
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  Speaker 12: felt that that was important for her to know because
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  Speaker 12: by this time I know that these things are genetic.
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  Speaker 12: And I was also, you know, predisposed to alcoholism and
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  Speaker 12: drug addiction, so I felt that she should know what
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  Speaker 12: was going on with her.
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  Speaker 1: You had your own problems with alcohol.
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  Speaker 13: I did.
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  Speaker 8: When I met Larry, we were fortunate because of his
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: income that I didn't have to go to work anymore.
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  Speaker 8: And I found myself, simply said, with too much time
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  Speaker 8: on my hands. And I ended up picking up alcohol.
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  Speaker 8: And I went to him one day and told him,
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  Speaker 8: I think I have a problem with alcohol. I'd like
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  Speaker 8: to do something about it. And I entered into AA.
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  Speaker 7: You don't have any enemies?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 7: Any marital problems?
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  Speaker 11: None at all.
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  Speaker 8: I loved that man madly, and he told me on
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  Speaker 8: a daily basis that I was his world. Everything Larry did.
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  Speaker 11: Was for me. We loved each other. We had something very,
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  Speaker 11: very special.
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  Speaker 1: Shortly before this happened, she talked to you about a
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  Speaker 1: relationship that she was having with a man called David
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  Speaker 1: from AA.
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  Speaker 12: She called me and told me she had eyes for
• 17:12
  Speaker 12: this man. There's a man in AA, I have eyes
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  Speaker 12: for him, long gray hair, biker kind of guy. And
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  Speaker 12: I'm like, are you insane?
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 12: I know, Mom, I don't know why I would pick
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  Speaker 12: a pauper when I have a prince.
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  Speaker 1: And they exchanged hundreds of calls and messages.
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  Speaker 12: He was at the funeral.
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  Speaker 1: He was at the funeral?
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  Speaker 6: The more you learned about Rebecca, the more... and interesting
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  Speaker 6: it became. Very few people knew about the name David Chase.
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  Speaker 6: He was involved in the AA and Narcotics Anonymous community.
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  Speaker 6: And we really felt that there was some type of romantic,
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: emotional involvement with him. And at that point, we also
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  Speaker 6: had learned of a prenuptial agreement that Rebecca and Larry
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  Speaker 6: had prior to their marriage. The investigation kept bringing us
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  Speaker 6: back to Rebecca.
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  Speaker 5: Going into a little bit of your personal relationship.
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  Speaker 11: With him, how long were you all married? We were
• 18:23
  Speaker 11: married three years.
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  Speaker 13: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Do you have a life insurance policy?
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  Speaker 11: I think Larry does, yes.
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  Speaker 13: For how much?
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  Speaker 11: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: He was a beneficiary.
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  Speaker 11: I think I am because I'm his wife.
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  Speaker 1: Were you always completely faithful to Larry?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: There was a suggestion. Yes. That you're aware of, that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: there was a man at AA called David. You made
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: 160 phone calls between each other over a.
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  Speaker 8: After Larry's death, right after Larry's death, yes.
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  Speaker 1: A few weeks, yeah. I mean, that's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: phone calls with another man. Was he somebody you had
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: seen prior to Larry's death?
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  Speaker 8: He was somebody that I met in AA. He was
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  Speaker 8: a very nice man. There was never anything romantic or
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: sexual between us. And right after Larry was killed, he
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: really stepped up and held me up. I called him
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  Speaker 8: so much that it actually drove him crazy and he
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: had to pull away from me as a friend and
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  Speaker 8: not be able to really help me as much as
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: he wanted to in the beginning.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You had a prenup with Larry. What did that offer
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  Speaker 1: you if you were to divorce him?
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  Speaker 8: According to that prenup, I would get $ 24, 000 for the
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: next two years. But for me to stay with Larry alive,
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  Speaker 8: I would want for nothing for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 1: I guess a cynic could look at this and say, well, Rebecca, look,
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  Speaker 1: if you were to divorce Larry, you would get $ 24, 000.
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  Speaker 1: If Larry was no longer here.
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  Speaker 1: You would get over a million dollars. It's just a
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  Speaker 1: straight fact.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 8: But a pro-tech looking at it from the other end, Mr. Morgan,
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  Speaker 8: would say we had no cause for divorce. In the
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: court of law, they were not able to prove that
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  Speaker 8: we were unhappy, that we were nothing but blissful and
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: very much in love. We had no cause for divorce
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  Speaker 8: or even spoke of it. This man would have taken
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: care of me in a very high-class lifestyle for the
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  Speaker 8: rest of my life, as long as he had remained alive.
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  Speaker 14: Motive is not something that the prosecution has to prove.
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  Speaker 14: But without a motive, a premeditated murder is kind of
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: hard to wrap your head around. So even though they
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: don't have to prove motive, they like to throw motive
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: out there. And of course, David Chase was a convenient
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: motive for the prosecution.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: I really feel that she thought that she was going
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: to get the insurance money and she was going to
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: continue to live this fairytale lifestyle with her new love interest.
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: I think that if Rebecca were guilty, she would have left.
• 21:03
  Speaker 14: There was no reason for her to stay here. The
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: guilty person runs away, you know, and in fact, prosecutors
• 21:08
  Speaker 14: always like to say, oh, well, he fled.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: Well, she never fled.
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: She could have gone anywhere, but she stayed here.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Rebecca, do you have any theory about who may have
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: done this?
• 21:46
  Speaker 15: Police are puzzled because there was no forced entry into
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: the home, but they did make one important discovery overnight.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And that discovery was the murder weapon. The gun used
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to kill Larry.
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: As far as firearms in the house, is the gun firearms?
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: We did own a gun. We bought one very, very recently.
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: Where did you guys keep it in the house? It
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: was kept in our bedroom, in our armoire.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Once the home was processed, then they moved to the vehicle.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: And the detective found the plastic bag under the front
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: passenger seat that actually had the gun and pieces of
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: jewelry that Larry had been wearing. When we realized that
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: the murder weapon actually belonged to the victim, we started
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: realizing that there was a lot more to the story.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: When you were a girl growing up, did your family
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: have guns? Were you ever around them? Anything like that?
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: I really can't remember.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: My father hunted bear and all of that. I don't
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: remember being around a gun.
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: I've never fired a gun.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: The police know that the gun that was used to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: kill Larry was his gun.
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: Yes, somebody had to have found that firearm upstairs in
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: our bedroom and used it to kill Larry.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Now you have... These people breaking in, going to the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: bedroom while Larry's watching television, finding his gun, bringing it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: downstairs and shooting Larry who hasn't left that room. I mean,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: how could anyone do that unless they had personal knowledge
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of Larry and where he kept his gun?
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't know.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is all getting ridiculous, isn't it? In
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: terms of plausibility.
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: I felt the same way.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: The police found in your car a bag that had
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the gun that was used to kill Larry. Now, obviously,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: if you're the police, you'll be thinking, well, what's it
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: doing in your car?
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: I do not know how that firearm ended up in
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: my vehicle. You know, when they found that firearm, they
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: found it with no DNA.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Rebecca, Rebecca. You can see why the police are thinking
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: this is all a bit odd. Why would anybody break in,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: kill somebody, and then actually leave the gun that they used,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: none of this makes much sense.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: I felt the same way, that there was no way
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: to explain some of this and that it did look peculiar,
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: to say the very least. But I had absolutely no
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: gunshot residue on me and I was tested that night
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: in every aspect that I could possibly be. They took
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: my clothes, my hair, skin scrapings. They stripped me bare.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Gunshot residue is not an easy thing to escape if
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: you have fired a firearm. And if you even walk
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: into a room after something has been fired, you're still
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: going to get that on your skin and on your clothes.
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: And they found none of that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Although the evidence was stacking up against her, Rebecca remained free.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: We had good, strong evidence against her, but they still
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: wanted a confession or a witness. And without that, the
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: state attorney was not going to go forward with prosecuting
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: the case. It was a feeling that I failed. It
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: was a feeling that I didn't bring justice to the family.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: I felt Rebecca was a murderess and she was getting
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: away with it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Six years elapse between Larry's death and you being arrested.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: In that time, you've had to get on with your life.
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: How.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Difficult was that for you?
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't even say that I got on with my life.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: My life has spiraled downward. I went back to live
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: in that home after Larry was killed. I wandered around
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: like a lost soul in a large house. It wasn't
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: something that I could escape. It wasn't something I could
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: hide from. I couldn't put a scarf over my head
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: and exclude myself from what was going on. I lost everything, everything,
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: including myself. You have to realize that I lived in
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: a $ 400, 000 home that I couldn't upkeep. I had no
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: way to pay the bills. I was never rich after
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: Larry was killed. The community was not kind to me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: Larry and I were judged in ways that weren't accurate.
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: That wasn't fun.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt that a lot of people
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in the community Some were supportive, but others were deeply
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: skeptical and believed that you had something to do with
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Larry's death.
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: That's correct.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: That must have been very difficult for you, living in
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that kind of environment of suspicion.
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: It was very difficult for me. It was also difficult
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: for me to hear words like murderer. I guess.
• 27:27
  Speaker 16: I did think it was a little strange that she
• 27:30
  Speaker 16: was not more devastated. She was quiet and she was
• 27:35
  Speaker 16: nice and everything, but she didn't express great sorrow. But
• 27:39
  Speaker 16: then again, you know, I never killed anybody, so I
• 27:41
  Speaker 16: don't know how I would react.
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, you just don't know, you know.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But detectives weren't just puzzled by the unsolved murder. Something
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: else happened here that didn't make any sense.
• 28:07
  Speaker 13: Two fires at the same house on Nacona Street in
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: Clearwater separated by less than 30 hours.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: That's why homeowner Rebecca Fenton says it's been an emotional
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: few days.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Indescribable. I feel a little despondent. This can't be happening.
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: When you're standing out on a sidewalk and everyone's just
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: kind of murmuring, you know she did it, she did it,
• 28:35
  Speaker 15: she had to do it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, she did it for the insurance.
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: She couldn't get the insurance money from the murder of
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: her husband, but she's trying to get the insurance money
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: from the house burning down.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: It solidified what I felt about her and really believed
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: to be true, that she was capable of murder.
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: Just say goodbye. It's the end of the chapter.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: There was a fire that completely destroyed your home. Some
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of the police believe now that you were trying to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: make money from the insurance.
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: There was no insurance on that home. That home was
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: in foreclosure. I would not have gained monetarily whatsoever on that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: That house fire was not... I don't believe that anybody
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: set my house on fire. I certainly didn't, but I
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: was not.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: I was not in a position to gain anything from
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: it whatsoever. and was let go. They questioned me and
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: cleared me.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: For four years, the investigation into Larry's murder stalled. Even
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: though detectives were convinced of Rebecca's guilt, they didn't have
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: enough evidence to convince prosecutors to take the case to trial.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Then in 2012, everything changed. When cold case detective Mike
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Hasty re-examined the murder, he found some details that didn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: add up. What are the key things which start to emerge,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: which paint a picture that Rebecca Fenton committed this murder?
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: Very early on in the investigation, when the original patrol
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: element responded to the 911 call, she told the investigators
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: that she had checked Larry's pulse twice. Well, when I
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: compared that statement to the crime scene photos, I found
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: that that statement was not possible because the blood around
• 30:46
  Speaker 13: Larry was absolutely undisturbed, which proved that that statement was false.
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: She says that the house has been ransacked. However, when
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: I'm looking at the crime scene photos, things were knocked
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: off of tables and drawers were pulled open. However, none
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: of the contents were disturbed. That doesn't seem reasonable. If
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: somebody had committed a burglary to a residence, they don't care.
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: They're going to get in, find what you can get
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: as quickly as you can, and get out. So things
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: are going to be a mess, but it was none
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: of that. The house was set up to give the
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: appearance to law enforcement that must have been bad guys
• 31:28
  Speaker 13: came in and did this, and they shot and killed Larry,
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: and they ran away.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: They believe there was no evidence that you could have
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: checked his pulse in the way that you said, because
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: there was no disruption to the pool of blood, and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: there was no evidence of any blood on you whatsoever.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: What's your response to that?
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: I did try to check his pulse twice. And I
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: stand by that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: But, Rebecca, how do you explain that there wasn't a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: tiny DNA fragment of evidence of his blood On you?
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: They found nothing on me whatsoever.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: How is all that possible?
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: There was no blood on me. That's how it was.
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: I have no way to explain this.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: The police found the ransacking extremely suspect.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: That's what they said.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: They're putting it all together, and it's an incredibly compelling case.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: If you were watching LA Law or something on TV,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you would be convicting this person, almost certainly. Most people
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: think you're guilty. Why should we believe that you're not?
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: Because of the things that weren't looked at, I was
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: convicted on absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever. They found fingerprints
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: and footprints that were never matched to anybody that belonged
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: to strangers. There was no DNA, no evidence on that
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: firearm that resembled me at all. The things that they
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: didn't find with physical evidence and probable cause.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: That's for you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: I don't know if you like Dr.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Pepper or not, but that's all we have in the
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: fridge right now. Two years ago, I started investigating an
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: unresolved case.
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: Do you know what happened to Larry?
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: Do we know what happened to him?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Was there anything that changed which made this a hot
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: case again for you?
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, there were two significant developments or changes in the case.
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: I know your mind's going 100 miles an hour.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Try to just listen, okay?
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: The first was the fact that a new person had
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: come into Rebecca's life. Years after the murder, she met
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: a man named Alfred Carey Nolan, and Alfred became her boyfriend.
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: Carey did not know my husband.
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: I know, but he knew you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: Ultimately, when I found him, it turns out he did
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: have information.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And what was the crucial piece of information that Alfred
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Nolan gave you?
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: Alfred Nolan admitted that during a violent domestic disturbance between
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: himself and Rebecca inside the Fenton residence, that Rebecca held
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: a knife to Alfred's neck, backed him into a corner
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: in the kitchen, and told him, I will kill you
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: like I killed Larry.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: You had a relationship with a man called Alfred Nolan.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: That's correct.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: You had said to him in the middle of a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: big fight, I'm going to kill you like I killed Larry.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: I do want to back up just a little bit
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: and tell you that they found Alfred Nolan in county jail.
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: And he told the homicide detectives that he and I
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: ended up in a domestic obscurity one night and that
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: I said to him, I will kill you the same
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: way that I killed Larry while I held a knife
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: to his throat. None of that is true. That incident
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: never took place. He outweighs me, and there's no way
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: that physically I could have overpowered him like that. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: that's not even to mention that my husband was shot.
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: He was not stabbed.
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: Mr.
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: Nolan had convictions for felonies which can be used against him,
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: convictions for crimes of dishonesty which can be used against him.
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: He had a reason to lie. He wanted to get
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: out of jail. So he came to us with a
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: lack of credibility. And that wasn't sort of relieved until
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: Detective Hasty also happened to speak with Mr. Nolan's nephew
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: and his nephew's girlfriend and told them that it was
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: about Rebecca Fenton. They immediately said, we knew it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: We knew she.
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: Was crazy or we knew she was bad news. Carrie
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: once told us that she held a knife to his
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: throat and said, I'll kill you like I killed Larry.
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: It was the first time bit of direct evidence that
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: we had in that case.
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: This incident never happened. I sit here today because of
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: what he said. And I'm telling you, it's a lie.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: You have the right to remain silent.
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: Understanding this right, do you wish to.
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: Talk to me now, moving forward? Not without my attorney.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: OK.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: A Clearwater woman is charged with her husband's murder six
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: years after it happened.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: Rebecca, you're under arrest.
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: For the murder of Larry Fenn.
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: They stood up and they told me, they said, you're
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: being arrested for the murder of Larry Fenn. I haven't
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: seen the light of day since.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Did you say there were two pieces of new information?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: The other was a new investigative tool on investigating homicides,
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: and that is indicators of guilt and indicators of innocence
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: within the 911 call.
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: An innocent 911 caller will seek to convey information to
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: the emergency operator.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: A guilty caller will seek to convince the emergency operator
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: of information because.
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: They're already starting to create a foundation for their story.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: And that's what Rebecca did.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: They believed, and they had expert opinion on this, that
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: your behavior in that call was very odd, to put
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: it mildly.
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: I don't agree with that, and I didn't agree with
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: the prosecution said that, that they felt that it was
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: suspect or... that they got a specialist. None of that
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: has been scientifically proven. I don't agree. I was hysterical
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: when I made that phone call. I don't really remember
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: what I did or didn't say, but I do remember
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: wanting to hurry up and get somebody to his aid.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Let me put this to you. Are you 100% certain
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that she did this? Given, as she rightly points out,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: all the evidence remains circumstantial rather than evidential.
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: Rebecca Fenton, with 100% absolute certainty, shot and killed Larry
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: Fenton on February 3rd, 2008. A circumstantial case doesn't mean
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: a bad case.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: 100%, she did it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: She had reached an area of life where she felt
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: well off, didn't have to work much for money, but
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: wasn't happy in her marriage and didn't want to lose that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: And the only way to do that was kill Larry.
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: She was the only one with the motive, the only
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: one with the opportunity, and everything else pointed to her.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Rebecca's mother, Karen, flew in to support her daughter throughout
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the trial, but unexpectedly found herself called to the witness
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: stand by the prosecution.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: You were.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: subpoenaed to give evidence against your daughter. How did you
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: feel about that? And when you actually gave the evidence,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: what were you feeling?
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: The first feeling was shock. You're going to make me
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: testify against my own daughter? And then when that shock,
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: initial shock wore off, I'm like, well, what's the worst
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: can happen? You know, is she gonna be mad at me?
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: That's really what I thought.
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: Obviously, when your mother is on the stand testifying that
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: your daughter has told you that she's got a crush
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: on this guy and, you know, that's bad evidence. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: in my opinion, it was kind of irrelevant evidence.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: For seven days, the prosecution built their case against Rebecca.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: They called 39 witnesses. Only two were called in her defence.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Rebecca did not take the stand. When the jury retired,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it took just two hours to reach a verdict. The
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: moment that you were convicted of first-degree murder, describe that moment.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: I just went numb. I didn't cry. I didn't fall down.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: I didn't make a scene. And he made it life
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: without parole.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's tough. That's the rest of your life.
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: Especially with the type of life that I've lived. My
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: life was not on the streets. It wasn't drugs. It
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: wasn't violence. It was a good life. But I have
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: high hopes that I won't be here for the rest
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: of my life and that the truth will come out.
• 40:46
  Speaker 14: I look at the evidence. I mean, you know, your
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: gut can be right, your gut can be wrong. Somebody
• 40:49
  Speaker 14: can be, you know... I guess, a sociopath and could
• 40:53
  Speaker 14: trick you. So I don't go by that. I go
• 40:57
  Speaker 14: by the evidence. And I believe she's innocent. I believe
• 41:01
  Speaker 14: she was wrongly convicted.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Did you directly ask her?
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: If she killed her husband?
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: No, I didn't directly ask her that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Have you ever asked her that question? Why not?
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: Because I know I wouldn't get an honest answer.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: What do you believe happened?
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: In the beginning, I.
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: Thought maybe she had planted a seed with somebody that
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: she was seeing, and maybe that's how it happened, that
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: this person killed Larry. It's just hard to picture this
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: woman with her fingers wrapped around a gun killing her husband.
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: On the other hand, when I went to the trial
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: last year, it was pretty evident that this is what happened.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that Rebecca killed Larry? I do. But
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: this is the first time you've actually said... Yeah. I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: believe my daughter killed Aaron.
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: It is the first time.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel guilty about saying this, or
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: do you feel it's the truth?
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: Sure, I feel a little bit guilty. I mean, I'm
• 42:06
  Speaker 12: her mother. I'm her biological mother. Nobody wants to hear
• 42:10
  Speaker 12: that your mother thinks you're a murderer, but I don't...
• 42:14
  Speaker 12: I don't play around. I can't... I don't not... I
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: don't lie. And I don't hold back my feelings.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: It's just.
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  Speaker 12: Piers, it's just hard to say what is going on
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: in the mind of a person that is not all
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: there sometimes.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: You see, Rebecca, I don't know what to think. You
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: have an answer to everything. However dodgy it seems, you
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: throw back a response. You're either the victim of an
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: extraordinary miscarriage of justice, in which case your incarceration here
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: for the rest of your life is unspeakably unfair. Or
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: you're a cold, calculating murderess and the best liar I've
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: ever met in my life. And I'll be honest with you,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know which one it is.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not sure what the question is there, but I've
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: had people state that to me and I've known that
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: for the last three or four years. Either a cold-blooded
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: killer or a victim of maljustice. I did not commit
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: this crime.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Your biological mother, Karen, told us that she thinks you
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: did do it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that?
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: That's the first time I've ever heard that. I'm not
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: sure that I believe you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not lying.
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: Okay. I'm just, that's the first time I've ever heard
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: that is right here, right now. And I just, I
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: can't believe that. I just don't. Her support and undying love.
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: She was in the courtroom. She flew down for the trial. Um,
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: has never led me to believe that she thought that
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: I was guilty of hurting Larry. None of my family's
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: given me that picture at all. So I'm taken back
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: a bit, and I just, I don't believe you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Rebecca, thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Mr.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: Morgan, sir.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: What you're saying is true. Then I've sat with somebody
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: who's basically spun me a complete lie for one hour
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: in intricate detail. We're talking about a very sophisticated liar.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: I believe there's a chance she's convinced herself through telling
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: the lie so many times. Maybe she believes her own
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: story a little bit. But I don't know how you
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: forget shooting your husband in your own home and then
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: stashing the gun and ransacking your house. I don't think
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: she's forgotten that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Gentlemen.