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Cold-blooded 'Black Widow' Stacey Castor murders TWO Hubbies & tries to murder own daughter?? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: She's called home several times, can't get him answer to
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  Speaker 2: the phone. She says, she knocks on the door, he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't answer the door. I bang on the door, don't
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  Speaker 2: get any response. I kicked the door in. David was
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  Speaker 2: laying naked across the bed. She asked me if he's okay.
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  Speaker 2: All I said was no.
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  Speaker 3: He's not.
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  Speaker 2: The paramedic explaining the room. They leave, and at this
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  Speaker 2: point she's screaming, have him come back.
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  Speaker 3: He's not dead. He's not dead.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine the shock of banging on your husband's door. He
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  Speaker 1: won't answer the door, he didn't show up for work,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't get antsy call police. They get there
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  Speaker 1: and you find your husband dead, lying on the bed
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  Speaker 1: from an apparent suicide. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories,
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  Speaker 1: and we are talking about the death of a father,
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  Speaker 1: then husband, David Castor, and it appears as though he
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  Speaker 1: has taken his life in a very peculiar way, that
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  Speaker 1: is from ingestion of anti freeze. Again, I'm Ncy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Of course all is not as it seems. In criminal law.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, an all Star Panel, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor Forensics Exivil State University and author of
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Judge and lawyer Ashe Wilcott.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashewilcott dot com. Renow New
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  Speaker 1: York psychologist Karen Start at Karenstart dot com, Alan Duke
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  Speaker 1: in La Jackie Howard with me here in the studio
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  Speaker 1: and joining me right now, Crimeonline dot com and Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Robin Wolinski, author of Beautiful Life, a CSI
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  Speaker 1: Behind the Casey Anthony Trial, Robin Olinsky. So many things
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  Speaker 1: scream out at me regarding the crime scene of now
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  Speaker 1: did David cast? But let's just take it at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning so I can can analyze each piece of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning that morning. Isn't it true
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  Speaker 1: that he worked at like I think it was a
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  Speaker 1: heating and air or an electronics business that he created.
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  Speaker 1: It was his business and wife Stacy was the office manager.
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  Speaker 4: That is all correct. And this is a guy who
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  Speaker 4: knows Nancy about chemicals, about anti freeze, about how you
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  Speaker 4: know A interacts with B. So it's very, very strange
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  Speaker 4: that when police come to the house and they bang
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  Speaker 4: down the door right after Stacy's nine to.
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  Speaker 3: One one call.
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  Speaker 1: They bang down the.
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  Speaker 4: Door and here is this guy who is face down
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  Speaker 4: on the bed, naked, no clothes on, and there's a
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  Speaker 4: couple of odd items. There's a bottle of anti freeze
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  Speaker 4: on the floor under the bed. There's a shotgun under
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  Speaker 4: the bed. Next to him on the nightstand is two glasses,
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  Speaker 4: and there's a bottle of brandy, and there's a bottle
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  Speaker 4: of cranberry dreuce.
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  Speaker 1: Just a moment to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 1: if you were intending to kill yourself suicide with any freeze,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what would be found. He was apparently mixing
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  Speaker 1: the anti freeze, which has a sweet taste to it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you remember, Joe Scott Morgan, growing up in the
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  Speaker 1: rural South, you were never supposed to allow any freeze
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  Speaker 1: to leak out of your car onto the pavement of
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  Speaker 1: your driveway or wherever, because it was so sweet that
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  Speaker 1: your pets would drink it. So if you mixed any
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  Speaker 1: freez with whiskey or hold on, robi Olinsky, what else
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  Speaker 1: was there was whiskey? And what else did you say?
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  Speaker 1: Cranberry juice?
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  Speaker 4: A bottle of brandy and some cranberry juice.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that then it would all mix together, that would
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  Speaker 1: do the trick. Joe Scott Morgan, And a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people who don't want to shoot themselves or hang themselves
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  Speaker 1: choose poison. So that's pretty much what I would expect
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  Speaker 1: to find in a suicide.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're yeah, I mean yeah, if you didn't
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  Speaker 5: want to shoot yourself.
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  Speaker 1: But my guy, Nancy, I've never known you to stutter before,
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  Speaker 1: So what is perplexing you.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what's perplexing me, tongue todd is the fact that
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  Speaker 5: why are you going to choose anna freeze? Because it's
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  Speaker 5: a hit or misproposition with this Wait a.
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  Speaker 1: Minute, wait a minute. Didn't you just hear Robin Wilinsky
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  Speaker 1: his line of business heating and air conditioning. We've said
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  Speaker 1: a million times. Let me go to Karen Stark on
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  Speaker 1: this York Psychologists joining from Manhattan today. Karen, we said
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  Speaker 1: a million times not to preach to the choir that
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  Speaker 1: would be Joe Scott Morgan. But people that want to
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  Speaker 1: commit a crime do what's familiar to them.
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  Speaker 6: I e.
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  Speaker 1: When Scott Peterson wanted to murder his wife. He was
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  Speaker 1: a big fisher. What did he do? Took her body
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  Speaker 1: out on a fishing boat and dumped it, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what did Chris Watts do when he wanted to murder
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  Speaker 1: his wife, Shenann and their children, Bell and Celeste. He
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  Speaker 1: took them to where he was comfortable, where he worked
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  Speaker 1: at an oil rig, an oil producer at Anna Darco.
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  Speaker 1: That's where he hid their bodies. That's what people do.
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  Speaker 1: They go to a place where they feel familiar, that
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  Speaker 1: they're used to, that they know well. Here, this guy
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  Speaker 1: reportedly used any freeze, which is part of his business.
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  Speaker 1: Karen started, I don't find that unusual at all.
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  Speaker 6: Well, but there's one thing I'd like for you to consider, Nancy,
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  Speaker 6: and that is, yes, it's true and he was familiar
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  Speaker 6: with it. But because he was familiar, that would let
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  Speaker 6: him know that you would be in agony and it
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  Speaker 6: would take a long time. And I really don't think
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  Speaker 6: that when people want to kill themselves, that's not been
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  Speaker 6: my experience, that they look for a way that they
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  Speaker 6: can have a very prolonged, agonized death. They want to
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  Speaker 6: do something that will get it over with as quickly
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  Speaker 6: as possible. The goal is death, not suffering.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have to agree with that, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: you're the forensics professor at Jacksonville State University. That she's right.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I'm saying this is part of his business,
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  Speaker 1: he knows it would kill him. To kill yourself with
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  Speaker 1: anaphrase is painful. You will vomit, you'll cough up blood.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could just as well take a handful
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  Speaker 1: of some kind of an opioid and just go to
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  Speaker 1: sleep and never wake up. So she's right about that.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark is right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's kind of this, you know, there's any other
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  Speaker 5: number of ways to do this where you just kind
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  Speaker 5: of slip off into you know, painless solemnity. This thing
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  Speaker 5: with the Anna freeze, it's gut wrenching, Nancy. Tremendous headaches
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  Speaker 5: follow with this. You've got respiratory problems, the kidneys fail,
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  Speaker 5: and it's you know, you're looking sometimes up to With
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  Speaker 5: a sufficient dosage, it could literally leave you languishing for
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  Speaker 5: almost twelve hours before you finally pass away.
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  Speaker 1: But he may not have known that. He may have
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  Speaker 1: only known, Hey, Anna freeze will do the job. I
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  Speaker 1: can get my hands on it. Okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at forensic file.
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  Speaker 7: David's wife Stacy told friends he began to drink heavily
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  Speaker 7: and his behavior became erratic when he locked himself in
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  Speaker 7: the bedroom and wouldn't come out. Stacy called police.
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  Speaker 6: I had locked.
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  Speaker 1: Himself in the hard bedroom for the last day Friday night.
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  Speaker 8: He got into an argue that he was aggressive.
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  Speaker 6: But he wasn't violent.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, don't cry.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to start kind to make sure he's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe surprised that you guys going through something right.
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  Speaker 9: Now, Well, you father died a month ago.
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  Speaker 4: And he sent me kind of weird to act in
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  Speaker 4: the last month.
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  Speaker 7: A sheriff's deputy arrived at the house, found the master
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  Speaker 7: bedroom door locked, and with Stacy's permission, broke the door down.
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  Speaker 3: This is a terrible scene.
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  Speaker 10: The guy sprawled naked on the bed, his face down,
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  Speaker 10: but his head is in the corner against the wall,
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  Speaker 10: and there's a tremendous amount of vomitous and other biological
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  Speaker 10: material on the bed.
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  Speaker 7: Emergency medical personnel pronounced David dead at the scene. On
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  Speaker 7: the nightstand next to the bed, we're two glasses.
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  Speaker 11: Almost half full of a green liquid. Another clear glass
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  Speaker 11: has the remnants of something in it. You see it
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  Speaker 11: on the bottom.
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  Speaker 7: The green liquid was sent to the lab for testing.
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  Speaker 12: Where you were able to identify ethylene glycol, the main
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  Speaker 12: component of jannafris.
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  Speaker 7: Ethylene glycol is toxic in large quantities. The autopsy confirmed
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  Speaker 7: David Castor ingested a lethal dose.
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  Speaker 8: The certificate came back as a suicide.
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  Speaker 7: Under the bed, emergency personnel found a shotgun and a
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  Speaker 7: container of anti freeze. Investigators wondered, if David Castor had
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  Speaker 7: a gun, why would he use anti freeze to kill himself.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe he didn't use the shotgun under his bed because
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  Speaker 10: he wanted to kill himself over seventy two hours and
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  Speaker 10: as opposed to you know, seventy two hundreds of a second.
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  Speaker 7: Another and confiscated during the initial search also raised questions.
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  Speaker 13: One of the deputies looked in the trash basket in
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  Speaker 13: the kitchen area and found a turkey baser. Well, the
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  Speaker 13: turkey baster had some traces of green liquid in it.
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  Speaker 7: Again, tests showed the green liquid was anti freeze, and
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  Speaker 7: scientists found DNA on the tip of the turkey baster.
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  Speaker 10: The only DNA on that turkey baster is at the
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  Speaker 10: tip and it belongs to David cast What in the
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  Speaker 10: name of heaven is he doing? Committing suicide by a
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  Speaker 10: turkey baster.
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard of such a thing.
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  Speaker 1: And neither have I, and it takes a lot for
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  Speaker 1: me to say I've never heard of such a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Robin Malensky joining me Crime Online dot Com and Crime Stories,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life CSI, behind Casey Anthony's
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  Speaker 1: trial on Amazon. Lensky. So, they are processing the scene
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  Speaker 1: at the death, the suicide of cast David Castor, I
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  Speaker 1: really believe, Well, what concerned everyone is death by turkey baser.
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  Speaker 1: Explain what they mean by death by turkey baster. It
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  Speaker 1: was very apparent when they broke his door down that
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  Speaker 1: he had committed suicide by drinking brandy mixed with cranberry juice,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, and anti free. So what's with the turkey baster?
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  Speaker 4: So, Nancy, the detectives open that trash can and they
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  Speaker 4: see this turkey baster, and it's very odd. Would you be,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you use the turkey baster to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to put the juices on your turkey to.
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  Speaker 6: Drip drip drip.
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  Speaker 4: So is he self administering something with the turkey baster.
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  Speaker 1: You know, to Joe Scott Morgan, why are they looking
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  Speaker 1: in the track because you always hear how flat footed
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  Speaker 1: the cops are and how they didn't do a good
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  Speaker 1: job and they commit contaminated the scene. And here they
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  Speaker 1: are picking through every single thing in that house when
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  Speaker 1: clearly they walk in on a done deal, a suicide.
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  Speaker 1: But they're picking through the tracks.
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  Speaker 5: They're doing their job. Every death, every death is a
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  Speaker 5: homicide until proven otherwise, and apparently at this point in
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  Speaker 5: time they could not prove this. Remember what the detective
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  Speaker 5: said and the clip that you played earlier, I've never
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  Speaker 5: seen anything like this. Now who actually uses an freeze
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  Speaker 5: to commit suicide? And so that's left them, that's left
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  Speaker 5: them scratching their heads a bit. So they're going to search.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to dig even deeper in this and that's
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  Speaker 5: why they're digging in the trash again. They're doing their job.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're right about that, and everything seemed to go
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  Speaker 1: along in the investigation as normal. It was determined to
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  Speaker 1: be a suicide. Until this.
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  Speaker 6: Time.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to work for us, my daughter and has
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  Speaker 4: taken some books she in trouble I think I think.
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  Speaker 7: There's something in this world and please, oh my.
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  Speaker 11: God, oh my god, oh my god.
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  Speaker 14: Kind of tried to determine what she taught Andian do
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  Speaker 14: you know how many No, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: The prescripture reserved the entire battle of that good.
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  Speaker 1: What So her husband dies of suicide and then her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: She's got two daughters. This one is Ashley Od's on
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  Speaker 1: drugs mixed with vodka. She's not old enough to drink
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  Speaker 1: as she will Cott. Well, well, how this this is
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  Speaker 1: when police began to be concerned. When you've got the
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  Speaker 1: one dead husband from suicide and then the daughter committing suicide.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of that nine to one one
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  Speaker 1: call Ashley will come.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: What I make from that is you have an issue
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  Speaker 14: because does it happen? Sure, I'm sure it does somewhere,
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  Speaker 14: but it should raise a lot of flags. First of all,
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  Speaker 14: the whole committing suicide with anniphreeze that you have already
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  Speaker 14: talked about not being likely.
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  Speaker 1: But second then you have a daughter.
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  Speaker 14: You know mental health can be hereditary depression, etca.
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  Speaker 1: So you need to be aware of that.
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  Speaker 14: But the fact too have not committed suicide huge red flags.
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  Speaker 1: To Robin Mollinskey Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the overdose of teen daughter Ashley. How'd you
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  Speaker 1: get her mits on booze and drugs?
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  Speaker 4: Her mother invited her to the house she was a
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  Speaker 4: college student and said, hey, let's have some drinks together
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  Speaker 4: and buy some vodka for her.
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  Speaker 1: And so they start drinking and.
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  Speaker 4: Drinking and drinking, and the next thing you know, she
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  Speaker 4: passes out and the mother is calling nine to one
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  Speaker 4: one very.
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  Speaker 1: Well at this point, detectives are suspicious. But I never
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  Speaker 1: got a clear answer. Robin Wilinsky, you know what we
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked about is the first husband, what happened to him?
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  Speaker 1: Because David cast is the second husband, right.
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  Speaker 11: That's correct.
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  Speaker 4: She was married to Michael and he was the father
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  Speaker 4: of Ashley and the younger sister, Bree. And one fine
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  Speaker 4: day he just drops dead and they take him to
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  Speaker 4: the hospital and they say, oh, he had a heart attack,
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  Speaker 4: and no one ever does an autopsy.
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  Speaker 5: Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting When I hear the words quote
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  Speaker 1: he just dropped dead. Right, when I hear those words,
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  Speaker 1: the hair goes up on the back of my neck.
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  Speaker 1: When somebody just quote drops dead, I'm like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 7: Mike's family had wanted an autopsy, but Stacy said no.
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  Speaker 10: The family were very upset about their not being an
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  Speaker 10: autopsy and wanted to know, but legally, it's the next
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  Speaker 10: of ken that makes that decision.
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  Speaker 7: A look at Mike Wallace's medical record showed no signs
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  Speaker 7: of heart problems before his death. Even more bizarre, Stacy
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  Speaker 7: had both husbands, Mike Wallace and David Castor buried next
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  Speaker 7: to one another. In between the two was where Stacy planned.
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  Speaker 3: To be buried when she died.
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  Speaker 8: This whole thing is kind of like a really bad movie,
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  Speaker 8: like that you're in, you're playing a major part in it.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to be in it.
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  Speaker 7: Investigators petitioned the court for permission to exhume Michael Wallace's
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  Speaker 7: body to see if there was any connection between his
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  Speaker 7: death and the death of Stacy's second husband, David Caster.
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  Speaker 3: A judge approved the order.
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  Speaker 11: The doctor was going to be conducting autopsy felt very
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  Speaker 11: strongly that if there was some type of poisoning in
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  Speaker 11: his system, that it would still be there.
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  Speaker 7: Why because the active ingredient in anti freeze ethylene glycol
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  Speaker 7: in lethal amounts causes the body to create something it
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  Speaker 7: normally doesn't.
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  Speaker 12: Ehring gly call forms crystals which will affect the kidneys
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  Speaker 12: of an individual I'm eventually leading to death.
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  Speaker 7: Those crystals remain intact for years after death, and the
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  Speaker 7: medical examiner found them during Michael Wallace's autopsy.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at Forensic Files and straight out to
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert, Joe Scott explained to me,
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  Speaker 1: what are the crystals that were found on his internal organs?
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  Speaker 1: Now this is after the first husband's body has been exhumed,
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  Speaker 1: dug up from the grave.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, What's what's fascinating about and free is that when
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  Speaker 5: it begins to when the body tries to metabolize the stuff,
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  Speaker 5: the two organs that are affected the most are the
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  Speaker 5: kidneys and the liver, and as it's trying to make
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  Speaker 5: its way through the kidneys, literally the kidneys kind of
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  Speaker 5: back up, if you will, and these little tiny crystals.
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  Speaker 3: Are formed.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 7: Mike's family had wanted an autopsy, but Stacy said no.
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  Speaker 10: The family were very upset about there not being an
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  Speaker 10: autopsy and wanted to know, but legally, it's the next
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  Speaker 10: of ken that makes that decision.
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  Speaker 7: A look at Mike Wallace's medical record showed no signs
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  Speaker 7: of heart problems.
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  Speaker 3: Before his death.
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  Speaker 7: Even more bizarre, Stacy had both husbands, Mike Wallace and
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  Speaker 7: David Castor, buried.
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  Speaker 3: Next to one another.
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  Speaker 7: In between the two was where Stacy planned to be
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  Speaker 7: buried when she died.
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  Speaker 8: This whole thing is kind of like a really bad
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  Speaker 8: movie like that you're in. You're playing a major pirate,
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  Speaker 8: and you don't want to be in it.
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  Speaker 7: Investigators petitioned the court for permission to exhume Michael Wallace's
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  Speaker 7: body to see if there was any connection between his
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  Speaker 7: death and the death of Stacy's second husband, David cast A.
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  Speaker 3: Judge approved the order.
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  Speaker 11: The doctor was going to be conducting the autopsy felt
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  Speaker 11: very strongly that if there was some type of poisoning
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  Speaker 11: in his system that would.
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  Speaker 3: Still be there.
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  Speaker 7: Why Because the active ingredient in anti freeze ethelene glycol
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  Speaker 7: in lethal amounts causes the body to creates something it
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  Speaker 7: normally doesn't.
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  Speaker 12: I think I call forms crystals which will affect the
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  Speaker 12: kidneys of an individual I'm eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Leading to death to justice. Scott Morgan, forensics expert. Those
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  Speaker 1: crystals were found in the internal organs of the first
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  Speaker 1: husband after he was exhumed dug up from the grave.
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  Speaker 1: Crystals explain what the medical examiner means by that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what's happening, Nancy is justice was just stated. The
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  Speaker 5: crystals come about as a result of the kidneys literally
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  Speaker 5: shutting down. So as it goes into the kidneys, the
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: body is trying to figure out what in the heck
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  Speaker 5: am I going to do with this agent that's in
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: my body? And so what happens is these things actually crystallize,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: and so the diagnosis at autopsy is not by toxicology.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: It's actually done microscopically. And when you see these slides,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: they're quite amazing. They're really striking. It almost just if
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the people at home will almost imagine looking through remember
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  Speaker 5: when we were kids and we could look through and
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  Speaker 5: see a kaleidoscope and it kind of catches the light
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  Speaker 5: like that. That's what's going to look like. They couldn't
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  Speaker 5: make it through toxicology because one of the other interesting
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: things is that listen, when anna freeze is being processed
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  Speaker 5: through the body, one of the little molecules that it
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  Speaker 5: kicks off is actually frommaldehyde. So it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 5: kind of separate those two things out. So the only
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  Speaker 5: way you can make this diagnosis is through my microscopy.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got the first husband who was the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: father of Ashley and her little sister, and then you've
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: got the second husband, David Castor, who committed suicide by
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: anti freeze. Robin Molensky joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: When the daughter, the older daughter, the college student teen
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Ashley Od's, she had written a suicide note and it
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  Speaker 1: stunned police because she explained she killed both her dad
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  Speaker 1: and her stepdad for very, very unusual reasons. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: what was in Ashley's suicide note?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's amazing, Nancy. The note left next to
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  Speaker 4: the bed was typed out, and she was claiming responsibility
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  Speaker 4: for killing her biological dad and then also killing her stepdad.
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  Speaker 4: And in the context of the note, she uses the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: word anti free as an anti freeze, but she calls
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: it anti free, anti free, anti free, and she admits
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  Speaker 4: that she's the killer, that she's the murderer.
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  Speaker 1: What was the daughter, Ashley's motivation to kill her father
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  Speaker 1: and her stepfather.
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  Speaker 4: It was most likely probably to get some sort of inheritance.
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  Speaker 1: Money, guys, I want you to take you'll listen to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the number one suspect in the death of her natural
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: father and her stepfather, teen daughter Ashley.
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  Speaker 9: When I woke up and saw that police officer standing there,
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  Speaker 9: I absolutely knew that I didn't do it, and she
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: was the only one there, so it had to have
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: been her.
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  Speaker 7: The final clue was in the note. Stacy let something slip.
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  Speaker 2: The cop said that there was Anna Free in Daddy's body.
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  Speaker 13: There was always the word anti free in the suicide note.
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  Speaker 3: It hit me like a ton of bricks. My first
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: reaction was, Oh, my.
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  Speaker 11: God, any free, any free? What Stacy said that interview
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: is exactly what was in that note. It wasn't a note,
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: it was a confession, and it was Stacy Cassia confessed
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: in that note.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: The more and more we learned about psycho paths, the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: more and.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: More we learned that there are more.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Them out there. They just don't rise to the level
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: of a Stacy Castor.
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  Speaker 7: But Stacey Castor denied any involvement in the two deaths
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: and continued to maintain her daughter Ashley killed both men.
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  Speaker 3: It would be up to a jury to decide.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Ashey Willcott, junal judge and lawyer at
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Ashleywillcott dot com. That's exactly what Robin Molinsky was telling us.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So you've got the daughter odeed on pills and the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: suicide note where she says I did it for various
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: reasons because her little sister, the little sister was the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: first dad's favorite. Okay, Karen, start your psychologist. The fact
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that in the type suicide note, as Robin Molinsky was
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: just reporting. In the suicide note, she does the daughter
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't say anti freeze with a Z. She refers to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it as anti free That's exactly what Stacy Castor says
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: when she speaks. When Stacy Castor speaks, this is the mother,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the wife. She leaves off the Z. She doesn't know
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it's anti freeze so your car doesn't freeze up in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: cold weather. She thinks it's anti free what her mispronunciation
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: is written into suicide note. That's the significance, Karen.
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  Speaker 6: Very significant because it tells you that either the daughter
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: is making the same mistake, which is quite improbable Nancy
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: or Stacy herself has written this. And it also shows
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: you that in the most perfect crimes that you could
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: think of, there are these little slips, a stunning slip
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: where she misspells and they catch up.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So now the entire investigation is in disarray. Could one
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: woman have killed three family members?
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: Your two daughters knew that he was sick.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: We all knew he was sick.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: You knew we were You were the adult though, Yes, okay?
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: And you you.
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  Speaker 15: Didn't see anything other any other signs other than what
• 26:16
  Speaker 15: you've already told us about Michael's sickness. Now, where did
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: you keep the rat poison in your house.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: In wate For there was a box of dcon on
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the back porch.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: Where in the back of the house.
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: Now did you did you hide that from your children
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: so to keep them safe?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: No, they were old enough to know what it was.
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: They were old up to know what And yes, actually
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: used and freeze a lot when she was driving her car.
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: Back in two thousand and Judge, Oh.
• 26:48
  Speaker 15: No, And uh so the rat poist mice in.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: The house or rest on the back porch?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, there was evidence of mice.
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: Okay, And so your you're your testimonies that Actley knew.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Where that was.
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: So when she testified she had no idea about that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: That was incorrect on her part.
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: Yes, Okay, Now, would you agree with me that a
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: twelve year old that kills her own father with any
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: freeze and rad voison to hurt the crisis along?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Would it be fair to.
• 27:24
  Speaker 15: Characterize a person as a psychotic monster Jesus.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: A person of medicine problems.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You are hearing Stacy Caster being grilled about the claim
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that her then eleven year old daughter could have possibly
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: killed the dad. Then you have the teen daughter in college,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he writes a suicide note, and then od's on prescription drugs.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: What is the truth? Well, maybe this can clarify.
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: The biggest question I ask is why why did she
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: do these things? I know that's probably never gonna be answered.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: There are so many things that she has ruined. She'll
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: never be able to see regraduate, my father will never
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: take me down the aisle, She'll never get to see
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: her grandchildren, all those things she took away from me.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: She killed two people and tried to kill me and
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: blame it on me, and blame me for the other deaths.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: That bothers me so much. I had to pretend for
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: a year that everything was okay, that nothing was bothering me,
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: even though I was worried about the trial and worried
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: whether the jury would believe me. I hate my mother
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: for ruining so many people's lives. I'd even know why
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: she did it. Well gave her the right to play
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: god with people. And I hate her for having me
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: be the one that found my dad, just like her
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: for having breefe on me. I never knew what hate
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: was until now. Even though oh, I do hate her,
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: I still live her at the same time. That bothers
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: me so confusing. How can you hate someone and love
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: them at the same time. I just wish that she
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: would say sorry for everything she did, including all the
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: lives you.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Are hearing that daughter, the daughter that odd on drugs,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: who went comatose, who was saved in the hospital. They
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: saved her life, she tells cop. The last thing she
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: remembers is drinking with her mother, Stacey Castor, insisting Ashley
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: is the one that murdered her father and her stepfather
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: over sibling rivalry, that she was never the favorite. What
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: do you make of that, Karen Starr, you're the psychologist.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, how common is a child murdering, especially a girl,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a teen girl girl murdering not one but two parents,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a father and a stepfather. She would have had to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: have been much younger at the time her natural father
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: died of Annie Fraser.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: I can't even begin to imagine a teen girl doing that. Nancy.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: If there is a history of that, I'm not aware
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: of it. But you also are making me think about
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: the fact that here is a mother, and you're a mother,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: and look at your feelings. We all know how you adore,
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: you live for your children. Correct, yes, And here is
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: a mother and this is why she's a psychopath who
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: is willing, actually willing to have her daughter be the
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: one that is being accused of killing and going to
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: jail for a crime that she didn't commit. That is
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: just mind boggling.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Well, according to the daughter, she didn't do it, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: there is that suicide note. Take a listen to our
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: friends at forensic file.
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  Speaker 7: On the witness stand, Stacy insisted, as Lee was the killer.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: You refer to her very negatively.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Did I'm sure I did.
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: It's right because she killed after all your two ausbands
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: didish she did.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I can't give you a reason why she would do it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: The jury didn't buy it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: Stacey Castor was convicted of murder and the attempted.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Murder of her own daughter.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: She was sentenced to a minimum of fifty years in prison.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: You're not just a danger to the general public.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: You're a danger to the people who love you and
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: are closest to him.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Prosecutors could still charge Stacy for the murder of her
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: first husband, Michael Wallace, but with Stacy serving a fifty
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: year prison term, there doesn't seem to be much need.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: Ashley Wallace has no contact with her mother.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: If I was to go see her, there better be
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: more than just a plexiglass panno in between the two
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: of us. I probably was slapper, but I'd be so mad.
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: It's so angry that I would just scream and yell
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: at the top of my lungs because I don't understand.
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: I don't get it. I don't think I ever will
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: understand why she did what she did.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: To Robin Willinsky, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, author
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of Beautiful Life, Robin Olinsky. In the end, the jury
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: finds the mother did this so explain to me about
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Ashley the daughter suicide note? How did they prove that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Stacy the mother wrote that? Note?
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Well, the number one clue was the anti free and
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: not the anti freeze.
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: But also she was.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: On the phone with the younger daughter, and she could
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: hear the typing, the click click click click click of
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: her typing out the note, and the timing. When they
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: compared the time of the phone call to the time
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: when the note was typed in the computer, it matched.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: So mommy was the author of that note.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We also know that when they did a forensic search
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan of the computer, that several drafts of
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that note had been written while Ashley was actually in class,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and that was verified. So somebody was on the home
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: computer writing drafts of the suicide note while Ashley was
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: actually at school.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the stuff is all time stamped. Nancy's like a
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: trail of breadcrumbs. You know. As stealthy as she was
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: trying to be, she was insufficient to the task. I
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: would say, and you know, just reflectively, how cold do
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: you have to be in order to engage in this
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: kind of behavior?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, that's a question for a shrink.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. But I got another question, factually,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Robin Lensky, something's bugging me. I mean, so many things
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: about Stacy Caster, but what about Stacy Caster's father, her
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: bio dad, the mom's father. What happened to him?
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: He also mysteriously dead in a hospital. He's in the hospital,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Jerry Daniels with her dad, and he had some sort
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: of lung problem and he was getting better when suddenly
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: she goes. Stacy goes to visit him, and there's an
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: open Coca Cola can and she hands him the soda
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and he apparently drank from a can. Very bizarre. Next
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: day he's dead too.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: He kills over and his body's being cremated, right, that's correct,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So we'll never know what happened to Stacy Caster's dad.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Joining me here in the studio Jackie Howard and in
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: La Alan Alan. This reminds me so much of the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifties case in my hometown of Making, Georgia of
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and Jet Lyles, because you know, when all of her
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: family members were in the hospital, she was constantly bringing
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: them homemade food, dishes, lemonade she made herself. Nobody could
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: figure out why they all killed over.
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: She is just like and Jet It's crazy what she did.
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: And Jet Lyles, who had one of the best restaurants
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: in Macon, Georgia.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Did you ever eat there, No, that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Was before my time, but my mom remembers a Jet's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: restaurant because my mom at the time was a bank
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: teller and Ane Jett Lyles restaurant was right across from
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the courthouse, so all the cops and the judges and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the lawyers would come eat there. Was very popular. So
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I've seen this phenomena, I would say three times since
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I've been prosecuting Stacy cast the most recent Lind Turner
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: before that that I covered, and a jet in my hometown.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But you know Stacy Castor, I mean she takes the cake.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Pardon the pun. You'll be happy to know. As an addendum,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Stacey Castor herself killed over dead behind bars. Wow, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: wonder was it natural causes? Nancy Grace crime story signing
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,