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Talkin' Montauk · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  The With August Falche, the Hocus Pocus Lack of Focus, the
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  very uneducational podcast that blends topics such as
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  witchcraft, conspiracies, true crime, paranormal activity, and
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  general shy talk seamlessly open one big neurodivergent
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  clusterfuck for your ears. I'm your resident geek from the
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  1980s who may or not may not keep putting jokes in the intro
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  that you won't get until you know the topic of the show.
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  We are doing what? Hey Stranger Things, I'll be
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  mine talking as always to our Hostess with the most, Jess, who
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  has her very own portal to a dark dimension.
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  It's called her vagina, and it has seen untold amounts of evil
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  come true. It, and yes, my metaphors are
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  becoming crude and predictable, but all the good ones get lost
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  through the technical difficulties apparently.
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  So fuck you, stop listening if you don't like it.
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  It's Danny Thomas and we are joined by a special guest, a man
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  who is hopefully my future replacement.
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  Or did I write that? And he he is enthusiastic about
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  paranormal activity and also bees.
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  That's it, that's all I have. It's ocean burn.
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  Hey, how you doing? DS murdered.
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  Also Irish, if you haven't guessed.
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  Let's say for the. International audience.
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  Right Ocean, we've got you here. Tell us.
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  Tell us your favorite spooky thing to talk about.
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  Oh, favorite spooky thing to talk about, I think is, is
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  Bigfoot, because it is one of those like things that's been
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  around for a very long time. There's been so many sightings,
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  lots of like, you know, fraudulent like footage and
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  stuff like that. But I just love this idea of in
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  the American wilderness, there is this like undiscovered, you
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  know, like large ape. And I tell my my wife all the
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  time that like, America is so big and some of its wilderness
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  is so dense and wild that like statistically something could be
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  in there, you know, because like, could you, could you
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  imagine like when when like people from Europe were first
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  going to Asia, like, you know, hundreds of years ago and they
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  first saw an orangutan, Like that would have been the most
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  mind blowing thing in the world. And that is literally like what
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  Sasquatch is. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So it's definitely, definitely Bigfoot stuff there.
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  And like Bigfoot is like linked to like all of the other the
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  cryptids and all of the other mad stuff and the high strangest
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  stuff that goes on in America, very much linked to like weird
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  places like a skinwalker ranch and stuff like that.
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  So yeah, love reading all that stuff.
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  Yeah, because it's even like the Appalachian Mountains alone.
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  Like I know I, I mentioned them on every bucket episode, but
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  they're like 480 million years old and like they're, there's
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  parts of them that haven't been touched by humans.
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  Soul. So yeah, it's not hard to
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  believe that there are things out there that like we've.
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  Never seen. Weird stuff still out there,
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  definitely. Yeah, 100% hundred.
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  Percent every civilization, well, like every culture on the
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  planet right now has some form of giant ape or some ape like
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  thing that is like lurking out in their woods.
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  So I I can imagine that like that's what sparks off like the
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  the kind of the popular theory he's got to do a Bigfoot and the
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  Yeti and the abominable snowman, all that kind of stuff.
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  And whether it's whether it's true or not, it's still like a
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  plausible thing. Like you're saying like America
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  is vast and like for somewhere that is so like modern and so
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  built up, there's so much like vast wilderness in America that
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  like. Yeah, like it's such a giant
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  country. Like it's hilariously large.
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  Like you don't think it's as big as it is, but it really is huge.
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  Also there's metaphysical Bigfoot, which is.
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  Oh yes, yeah, yeah, the Bigfoot of the mind.
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  Eh, well, they're like, let's let's just say that today's
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  topic BIG4 could actually be a thing, eh?
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  Like I've heard some interesting theories got to do with that one
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  as well. Very, very good.
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  He's got a segue. He's getting really good at
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  segues. Very good.
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  Segue. Oh, no, I'm that's just me
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  trying to draw it back on the track.
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  So, Danny, what is today's topic?
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  Umm. What is the Montauk project now?
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  I had no idea what this was until you mentioned it to me
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  last week and. Yeah, just like maybe one day
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  we'll do a Montauk episode and then you just say this week
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  we're doing Montauk. You were like, let's do it.
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  And I was like, yeah, OK. But then I had originally
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  decided like 5 times that we were going to do the Kennedys
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  again. You could.
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  You could never stop doing the Kennedys.
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  There is just so much. Fucking Marilyn Altman all
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  couldn't stop doing the Kennedys and that's it.
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  Did say that I went down to this fucking Kennedy pack.
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  And oh, did you? Yeah, in Wexford.
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  Yeah, we Ross. Yeah, I was talking about it on
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  the episode. My, my hot Polish girlfriend
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  lives down in New Ross, so I was visiting her for the the weekend
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  and umm, yeah, we we headed down to JFK's National Park and
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  apparently there's like models of fucking space rockets and all
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  kinds of stuff in there. Loads of stuff in there.
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  Yeah, it's really cool. I haven't been since I was.
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  Like a kid so I got lost in the hedge mates.
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  But like. There's a load of like sad
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  looking women drooling sitting on park benches.
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  They're looking really sad. I didn't.
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  I didn't see the sad looking women, but the weather was.
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  The weather wasn't great, so they were probably indoors at
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  that stage. Rose Kennedy cosplay.
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  Very like the Kennedys to hide them away.
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  Yeah. I I felt like they they were
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  missing out on a trick like on the sign coming in they should
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  have said like welcome to JFK National Park.
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  The views are mind blowing. I just don't know why they
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  wouldn't. The park is back and to the
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  left. It's very good, very good.
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  Great Oliver song reference. I need to rewatch that movie
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  actually. It's like 8 hours long though.
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  It's a really fucking. It's a weekend project,
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  definitely. Over 2 days right?
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  Let me pull up my notes here for this one.
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  Someone's saying please I'm trying to find these.
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  Montauk Montauk and Bout so both remain to San Diego.
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  There is a there is a song or maybe an album.
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  There's a like an American punk band called Bayside and they
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  have, I think of a song called Montauk or maybe an album called
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  Montauk. And that has like, since you
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  asked me to be on today, like it's just been stuck in my head
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  the whole time. I lived in Montauk for a little
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  bit and I didn't. See.
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  Any. Yeah, like you have.
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  Never mentioned that before. I've known you for years.
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  Yes. You have never mentioned that
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  you lived in Montauk. Is this?
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  Where you lived in Montauk? Yeah.
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  So my brother lives in Long Island and I worked in Montauk.
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  I lived in like a motel because I worked in the motel and it was
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  me and three other Irish girls. Did you work in a Hooters?
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  No I didn't, not in Montauk. I was actually a like a.
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  Real low ebb in your life is like I was in the Hooters in
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  Montauk. No, it was the Hooters off
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  Broadway that I did for like 3 weeks before I started the job
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  out in the hotel. But anyway, so it was like,
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  well, it was a motel on my I just say, I say hotel, but it's
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  really nice out there. And then like the the beaches
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  are lovely. And then there's like the part
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  where Jaws was filmed was like down the island that.
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  Was pretty cool. Which is really cool and they
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  have like the the big shark, like hung upside down and stuff
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  and the sign and like, it's really cool.
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  It's pretty nice out there. I didn't see any big fucks.
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  I didn't see any of us. We did have.
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  Her hit a deer and then it probably had to get out of the
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  car and try and like pull it off the road.
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  As he did, a little baby deer just slid out of the the dead
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  mom deer. So that wasn't really fun.
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  Hilarious that you broke on my side.
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  On my side, all I heard was the baby deer slid out of the Mama
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  deer and. I have very little.
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  Context to what else you were talking.
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  About, yeah, but the same thing happened.
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  We get a deer. Robot sounding talk and the baby
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  deer slid out of his mother. We went from Hooters to baby
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  deer slid out of his mother. You're gonna get a lot of that.
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  On this podcast so she. Oh God.
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  OK, so Montel. We can't seem to keep in the one
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  lane for too long. Yeah, so.
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  Monsoon. Project is a huge overreaching
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  conspiracy theory that claims that the US government conducted
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  a series of highly classified dark and super exotic research
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  projects at Camp Hero Montauk Air Force Station.
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  Now I have seen that that's actually not too far from where
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  my brother lived at the time, starting in the early 70s and
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  allegedly running until 1983. Camp Hero State Park in Montauk,
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  NY with a genuine US Air Force base and radar installation
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  during the Cold War. The abandoned nature and massive
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  Erie Sage radio tower radar tower, Sorry, fuel the mystique.
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  So whole thing blew up because of the book series starting with
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  the Montauk project Experiments in Time in 1992 by Preston
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  Nichols and Peter Moon. That name is familiar to me.
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  Peter Moon. Who's Peter Moon?
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  It's probably you probably know because Peter is a very popular
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  name and the moon is in the sky. She's.
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  Always held at the moon to be fair.
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  And she is. Yeah, Feral.
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  Oh, completely. I don't I don't know why that
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  name is, is ringing a bell for you, Danny.
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  And it's your man, Preston. Preston, whatever his head is,
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  he's the guy that is like the one pushing this whole Montauk,
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  kind of the whole conspiracy, but I forget who this, but
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  again, it's me, big ADHD riddlehead on me, that Peter
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  Moon that isn't really fucking there ringing a bell, but this
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  Preston guy is. He was the guy at the forefront
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  of it all, I think. I I think Keith Moon, probably
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  think Keith Moon. Keith.
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  Moon. Keith Moon.
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  Alan Partridge. So have you like, have you ever
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  looked at like the map of of Long Island and seen where like
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  I know Danny, you know where Montauk is?
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  Like Montauk is on like the very like northernmost tip of of Long
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  Island like, and it's like way out jotting into the North
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  Atlantic. Like it's a super weird and
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  isolating place. Like it's the perfect place to
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  do like weird US experiments on like a Navy base or an Air Force
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  Base. And it's like, because like Long
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  Island as, yeah, Long Island as a place is like really weird.
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  Like I've been there a few times and like, it is absolutely
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  enormous. And most of it is just like, you
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  know, countryside and nothingness.
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  Yeah. It's mostly marsh.
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  Yeah. Like there was a there was a
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  serial carrier. It was, I think he was like the
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  Long Island serial kid. Yeah.
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  Recent as well. Yeah, they, they call him, yeah.
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  Loads of weird shit up the Long Island.
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  And there's like, like a bunch of like all like Native American
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  folklore apparently. There's loads of that like kind
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  of steeped around there. And you've got The Amityville
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  Horror obviously is another one. It is just a really weird place.
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  But like, Montauk in general is absolutely dead unless it's the
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  summer months. So most places just shut up.
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  Like there's very few like little restaurants and things
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  like that. It's like the place that I was
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  working in. You've seen that movie as
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  Eternal Sunshine, The Spotless Mind.
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  With Jim Carrey. Yeah, so that that's all set in
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  Montauk. Like all of that is like
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  literally walking distance from where I worked.
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  So the diner they go to that opens all year round because
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  they do actually get a little bit of tourism, like from kind
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  of like movie fans and stuff. The train station obviously is
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  always open, but like other than that, you get like the post
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  office, you get a tiny supermarket, a chemist, a diner
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  and like for all year round until summer.
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  And then it's all like spring break.
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  And then you kind of get a bunch of like jocks and like frat boys
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  and stuff. And like then you've got the
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  Hamptons, like Stone's throw away, actually the restaurants
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  in there and God knows what somebody weird, weird, kind of
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  like geographically like. And then the baby deer stayed
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  out of the mommy deer and the shut.
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  Up. I'm not reading anymore.
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  You can read I. Don't.
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  Care right. Well, I'm not going to read
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  anything because, you know, I was I was born to lead, not to
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  read the the reason for where it is.
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  It seems like it's not very strategic where the the base is,
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  but it actually is. So Pearl Harbor, let's just
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  fucking show it straight out there.
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  Let's jump in there. Pearl Harbor sucked and I love
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  you and noble Pearl. Pearl Harbor was hit by the
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  Japanese and the very next day and it was FDR eh said to
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  Congress we need to go eh to war.
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  Congress a okie dokie. They went to war against the
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  Japanese. Umm that brought in the Germans
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  and the Italians into the war because they were allies with
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  Japan, didn't bring them into the war.
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  They were obviously fucking full blown in the war, but they
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  bought them, brought them to war against America.
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  So the Italians and the Germans had to declare war on the US as
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  well. So what the US are doing on both
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  coasts, because the Pacific Coast obviously was going to be
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  under threat from Japan, which had already, we've, we've seen
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  Pearl Harbor. The biggest fuck up that Japan
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  ever made was the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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  Absolute hubris. But then the Atlantic Coast was
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  going to be under threat from German U boats particularly
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  because like the Nazis had some serious firepower when it came
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  to submarines and U boats. So the Americans decided to put
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  a lot of strategic kind of naval bases where they could deploy.
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  Like if U ball was seen in the Atlantic, anywhere near New
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  York, Montauk would find it first and they'd deploy all
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  their naval vessels straight out.
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  And that's why it was where it was.
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  So when it looks like it's kind of in an awkward position, it's
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  actually in the perfect position to defend New York because
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  again, we're not talking about ballistic missiles or anything
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  like that. It's in there.
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  It's like it's 1940 really, 1948 to 1943.
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  This would have been so like we're talking you, you would see
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  a you ball coming. So like they'd have plenty of
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  time to deploy them. That's why, like, it is where it
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  is. It's near New York, but it's off
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  to one side so that it's not right on New York, if you get
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  me. Yeah.
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  Yeah, and you were right about the date as well.
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  The date I have. Yeah, no, that's so that's when
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  it should be set up. So at that stage, they set up
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  and it was a naval base to begin with.
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  And then after the war, when tensions started flaring up
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  between America and the Rooskies, then they actually
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  signed it over to the Air Force, where I think it was.
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  That's when it was, it was called Camp Hero.
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  Then they switched the name over to Camp Hero.
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  And so while we have the the Cold War going on, we've
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  discussed this before Danny with some of the experiments that
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  they were doing with the the likes of the remote viewing,
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  stuff like that. But after the Second World War,
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  we had like project paper clip, which is very important, which
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  is like when they decided to conscript all their kind of
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  Nazis. So instead of, you know, for
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  them going to face trial for their war crimes and stuff like
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  that, they were all kind of just ingested into the system in
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  America where they all became kind of like different heads of
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  like, like there's military leaders.
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  There was not so many military leaders.
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  A lot of them headed for South America rather than North.
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  But him the site scientists, people who would have been like
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  Nobel Prize winning scarecrows, like the outstanding in their
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  field, like people. Yeah, like exactly.
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  So like when you see this, you have like the leader of the
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  space program in America was a fucking Nazi.
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  Like, you know, like this. When you see that kind of thing,
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  you can only imagine what kind of other Germans they were using
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  in different projects. Like if the CIA, the CIA now was
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  doing some very covert stuff, obviously.
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  And there like, if, if they had like Nazis who were like they
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  were willing to put out there and to show like this is the guy
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  of our like the head of our space program, then like,
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  imagine what they were doing kind of like under the radar, if
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  you know what I mean. So like we had the, the we've,
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  we've discussed the remote view and stuff and, and we can get
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  into like a project rainbow, which I believe was the
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  Philadelphia experiment, which kind of plays into this a little
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  bit as well. Like and yeah, so we've, we've,
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  we've got all kinds of stuff there like a like all these,
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  these projects that we're using even down to like MK Ultra, all
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  this stuff was to get there ahead of a.
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  Continuation of MK Ultra Ultra, wasn't it kind of?
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  Yeah, well, like you could see a continuation or you could say it
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  like, like all of this stuff was kind of happening at the same
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  time. They were shown a lot of shit at
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  the wall, like if we're going to get down into the like to the
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  real, like conspiracies of it all, A lot of this stuff we, we
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  can't prove exist, like this Montauk project or like the
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  remote viewing stuff that we were talking about before.
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  But MK Ultra kind of gives a lot of this some kind of legitimacy
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  because MK Ultra, they've come out and said, yes, we were doing
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  this. Now to anyone who's listening at
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  home, which I doubt you are, like you probably have a life.
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  But if there is anyone out there listening to this piece of shit
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  podcast. MK Ultra is a it was a project
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  that was designed to try and make people susceptible to
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  brainwashing, to mind control. And they were trying to use
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  these tactics to take on the Russians.
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  They believed that the Russians were doing the same thing over
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  there. So they were trying this and the
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  stuff that they were using was a lot of technicality.
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  I swear to God. You can you can see I'm I'm in
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  the middle of something with this microphone is on.
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  You are not wolfing. I've got a fucking.
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  I'm actually. She jumped in at the right time.
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  You keep breaking up and going weird on your mic.
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  Oh, I'm sorry. For me it's clear it's.
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  Clear for me, it's all good. Didn't.
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  Hear any? Like Danny, As in everything, we
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  didn't realize that you were the problem.
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  I'm not, I was asking. Gaslights me every fucking week.
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  And so just what you were talking about there with MK
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  Ultra and with the like the earlier mention of the Nazis.
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  So when I was like looking into some of this stuff myself, so
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  like the MK Ultra program was directly inspired by what the
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  Nazis were doing. And when you were saying that,
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  like, you know, with Project Paper Clip, they're bringing
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  over a lot of rocket scientists. I would believe that they're
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  bringing over a lot of the Nazi scientists who were doing the
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  psychological experiments as well, because the Nazis, when
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  they were doing theirs, would use a drug called mescaline.
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  And when the Americans started doing it, the first drug that
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  they used was mescaline. So there's a, there's a, or a
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  mescan, there's a thread there that you can pull on and it just
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  goes straight back to the Nazis. And so they, they were using
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  this drug and then they eventually, like, you know,
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  developed, they eventually developed like LSD and like they
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  were experimenting with cocaine as well to see they, they and
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  the Nazis wanted to do this as well.
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  Like what you're saying is they wanted to develop a truth serum.
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  So they wanted to be able to like, drug someone and just, you
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  know, like talk the, you know, like secrets out of them, like
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  state secrets out of them. And they famously had a sting in
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  like a couple of brothels around New York where they'd have like,
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  you know, Admirals from the army, people in the CIA.
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  And they'd have them stay in this hotel that had all these
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  like double sided mirrors or sorry, one sided mirrors.
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  And they would drug them and then they'd go in and just
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  interrogate them. They'd have them like under,
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  like, you know, the bright light behind them, all this kind of
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  stuff. And they would actually, like,
• 22:52
  try to interrogate and to see if these people would break and
• 22:56
  tell the state secrets while like, off their heads on LSD.
• 23:01
  There was this like, weird obsession with being able to
• 23:05
  force the truth out of people at the time.
• 23:08
  Like, the truth serum was a big thing.
• 23:10
  And there was, like, in the 19, the 1930s and 40s, this guy
• 23:15
  invented the polygraph machine. His name is William Marsden.
• 23:19
  And he was, he was a real weird guy.
• 23:21
  He invented the polygraph machine.
• 23:23
  And he also invented the character Wonder Woman.
• 23:26
  I'm a big comic. Yeah, I'm a big comic book fan.
• 23:29
  So this is like one of my favorite little facts.
• 23:31
  And Wonder Woman, one of her main weapons is the lasso Truth.
• 23:36
  Yes. And she can compel people to
• 23:38
  tell the truth with it. So you had all of these, like,
• 23:41
  scientists who were obsessed with being able to like, talk
• 23:45
  and manipulate the truth out of people that they saw as their
• 23:48
  enemies. Yeah, so like they also would
• 23:52
  have had like a real issue at the time where spies, umm, like
• 23:56
  the Cold War wasn't uh, obviously like we know what way
• 23:59
  it went. If it, if, if the war went the
• 24:01
  blows, we'd all not exist. But so it was kind of it was a
• 24:05
  real covert war where it was a war of information and
• 24:09
  misinformation and spies and double agents and all this kind
• 24:13
  of stuff. So having sleeper agents and
• 24:16
  having like people away for, for getting the truth out of spies
• 24:24
  was like quintessential, like they needed that kind of a thing
• 24:27
  because there was no trust in America.
• 24:29
  Anybody could have been an, a Russian spy.
• 24:33
  And the same on the other side, the Russians were doing the
• 24:36
  exact same thing, but also they wanted a way of mind control,
• 24:43
  which this is how they were like masculine really came into play
• 24:46
  with this as well. But like how they were kind of
• 24:51
  manipulating people's minds, not just using drugs, but using like
• 24:57
  a different techniques that we see that like magicians and kind
• 25:01
  of a what are they called now, mentalists.
• 25:03
  They're just going to use hypnosis while people were
• 25:06
  drugged, Yeah. Exactly, Yeah.
• 25:08
  Never trust a hypnotist. Never.
• 25:10
  No, no, no, no, eh, definitely, definitely don't trust a
• 25:16
  hypnotist. Like why do you want to learn
• 25:18
  that skill, you rapist? And but it what would be really
• 25:25
  useful as well for MK Ultra, if I'm going to get into this, I
• 25:27
  suppose, is to have a sleeper agent.
• 25:29
  So like an agent that doesn't know that they're an agent.
• 25:33
  So this mind control thing was a really like, eh, really
• 25:37
  important to the Americans because their number one fear
• 25:41
  was a spy getting caught and relaying all this information.
• 25:45
  But if you had someone that could hold that information and
• 25:49
  not know that they had it until they were eh, like, eh
• 25:54
  activated. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:57
  So so this was fairly important. So like MK Ultra was one thing,
• 26:02
  the way we also talked before about the remote viewers.
• 26:06
  So this was another project that there were guys that were able
• 26:11
  to sit in one space and use their mind to be able to view a
• 26:19
  completely different part of the the world, or even if you were
• 26:23
  to believe it, our space. So we've done an episode on this
• 26:27
  before, so there's no point going into a big long talk about
• 26:30
  it. But, uh, this is the kind of,
• 26:33
  uh, just to kind of give us an overarching kind of a thing of
• 26:36
  what the Americans were doing during the, the Cold War and
• 26:41
  then lead us into the likes of the, the Montauk Project, which
• 26:46
  is along the same vein. They were, they were used, they
• 26:50
  were trying to figure out how to beat the Russians at the time
• 26:55
  and they were using basically fringe science for this kind of
• 26:58
  thing. And so they believed that.
• 27:03
  Now this again from here on out, we're not talking about MK Ultra
• 27:07
  anymore, we're talking about the Montag project.
• 27:09
  So from here on out, there is absolutely no actual evidence to
• 27:14
  show that any of this is true. And except for there is a file
• 27:19
  that says eh classifieds, eh, and has their Montag project on
• 27:24
  it. So we know that there is a
• 27:25
  project called the Montag Project and it actually the file
• 27:29
  exists, but all of this stuff that we might start talking
• 27:33
  about now, this is absolutely just from the words of someone
• 27:41
  who wrote a book and people who talk about it.
• 27:44
  And so again, take all of this with a pinch of salt or let your
• 27:49
  minds be opened to the reality that there is no fucking
• 27:53
  reality. We live in a simulation.
• 27:55
  A lot. A lot to research, a lot to.
• 27:59
  Research and. I think with that we could
• 28:03
  probably start then with like the Montauk boys, because
• 28:06
  they're so affectionately known. Yes.
• 28:11
  Umm, basically. This is an interesting one.
• 28:13
  Yeah, so with when it comes to the mind control and everything
• 28:19
  like that, the government have been accused of kidnapping
• 28:23
  teenagers, homeless people, just pulling people off, like hit by
• 28:28
  teenagers, mean like runaways, people that like no one would
• 28:31
  kind of like miss, and then basically turning them into
• 28:37
  psychic soldiers basically, which just do you want to go
• 28:42
  more into that? Yeah.
• 28:45
  So basically it's it's the theory is that just like the MK
• 28:50
  Ultra trials that as you say, they'll take people off the
• 28:54
  street who are not going to be missed, but also they want to
• 28:59
  get boys of a certain age. This is, it's been described
• 29:04
  that for some reason, boys and not so much girls for whatever
• 29:10
  reason, and but boys of a certain age, like between like
• 29:17
  like 6, like they did say there's like kids as young as
• 29:21
  like toddlers, but like generally it was like from six
• 29:26
  up until 1516. Like the kids get through adult
• 29:30
  or get through puberty and they're useless.
• 29:35
  So the idea is that these kids could be taken and used in
• 29:46
  experiments to kind of like to explain it is kind of a little
• 29:52
  bit, it's a little bit weird. Like the experiments were to do
• 29:57
  a like a bunch of things like it's to open up like wormholes
• 30:03
  to travel to other places in the world.
• 30:09
  There was also they wanted to use the kids minds to even just
• 30:16
  materialize stuff that wasn't in the room.
• 30:20
  So they, they reckon that they could train these boys minds to,
• 30:27
  at the start, it was to kind of bring pictures, like to, to
• 30:31
  create pictures of certain things like, so they had to
• 30:36
  think about something like think about a shape.
• 30:39
  And then the shape would materialize in a like kind of a
• 30:43
  holographic kind of a form in, in the rooms that they were
• 30:45
  using. They had this, this chair called
• 30:50
  the Montauk chair. Now, the lore behind this chair
• 30:53
  changes depending on who, who you are talking about.
• 30:56
  So we, we can, we can get into that in a bit.
• 30:59
  But the chair itself is, this is where the child is strapped into
• 31:03
  this chair and the experiments begin.
• 31:07
  And these experiments, as I said, were to materialize
• 31:13
  objects that weren't in the room into the room.
• 31:15
  And I'm not sure if they're materializing the object from
• 31:20
  one place to another or if they're just creating this with
• 31:23
  their mind, but that was what was said.
• 31:26
  They were just creating objects from thin air in this room.
• 31:32
  And the other experiments were that they could teleport like
• 31:39
  this chair was giving these kids whatever, amplifying their their
• 31:44
  powers. I think it was all
• 31:46
  electromagnetic. Again, I ain't no scientist.
• 31:49
  I'm just telling you what like these guys will be right now.
• 31:52
  And they're there again, these guys that also claim all of
• 31:56
  this. None of them are scientists
• 31:57
  either. They're talking about like
• 31:59
  they're using electromagnetic kind of technologies to create
• 32:08
  some kind of weird field around this Montauk place and they can
• 32:15
  make objects appear or they can move objects teleported to
• 32:19
  somewhere else or bring stuff from somewhere to the facility
• 32:25
  that they were in. So this was the idea that was
• 32:27
  that was what they were trying to use and they were trying to,
• 32:31
  obviously there was reports that they actually were making this
• 32:35
  happen during the war. Again, this is a like I like
• 32:41
  again, this, this is the more unbelievable part like that they
• 32:44
  were during World War 2. They were actually sending
• 32:48
  messages through this fucking Montauk chair and to to get it
• 32:56
  over to Europe when they were fighting the Nazis.
• 32:58
  But that timeline doesn't really sync up with like the
• 33:03
  experiments, because the experiments were actually gone
• 33:05
  through the like 70s and mostly the 70s, and then like,
• 33:09
  obviously into the early 80s and it collapsed like in the early
• 33:13
  80s. But the idea behind this whole
• 33:16
  thing was, again, like MK Ultra had its own thing it was doing,
• 33:22
  and the remote viewers were doing their own thing.
• 33:25
  There was a Project Rainbow, I believe, were trying to use
• 33:31
  stealths that were trying to make things disappear, make
• 33:34
  things like not appear like they're there.
• 33:37
  And Project Montauk was the whole teleportation and using
• 33:42
  the minds to matter. Yeah, this is it.
• 33:46
  But it all all of these projects seem to be psychically LinkedIn.
• 33:50
  Somewhere like they were trying to discover if telekinesis was a
• 33:54
  real thing and if they could like create super soldiers that
• 33:57
  had like because you know the the the men are stare goats.
• 34:01
  Like, that whole thing was to use the power of your mind to,
• 34:03
  like, move things, but also to, like, to, like, kill someone
• 34:06
  with your mind. And it was, again, just this
• 34:09
  like, very like, weird government agency full of weird
• 34:12
  guys who taught that, like, if you use the correct combination
• 34:15
  of drugs and electromagnetism, you could create magic powers.
• 34:21
  Yeah. Which is just like, fantastic
• 34:25
  stuff. Yeah, that.
• 34:28
  I think the Cold War specifically has brought so
• 34:32
  many. Fucking just weird,
• 34:34
  unexplainable things like I know I mentioned it every week and we
• 34:38
  need to do an episode on it, but like the the Aflac fast like
• 34:42
  blows my mind because what the fuck happened?
• 34:46
  Do you mean there's so many? Obviously there are like no, but
• 34:49
  there are just so many like normal things it could be and it
• 34:53
  just like it's like Russia in general freaks the fuck out of
• 34:57
  me and like. Yeah, well, that's the other
• 34:59
  side of the Cold War coin really, isn't it?
• 35:02
  Where we get things like, and did they out off pass or, umm,
• 35:08
  other stuff like there's, there's obviously there's the
• 35:12
  the kind of stories of soldiers out in Siberia getting, eh,
• 35:18
  fucking absolutely molested by these giant apes, which God
• 35:21
  brings us back to, to be again. So like, yeah, yeah, this, this
• 35:26
  is it. Like so.
• 35:27
  Maybe they were super soldiers. Yeah, well, this was the, the,
• 35:33
  the other kind of the other side of what we're talking about with
• 35:37
  America. Russia was obviously doing this
• 35:39
  kind of stuff as well. We just don't have as covert
• 35:41
  obviously as America isn't like it's riddled with the
• 35:44
  conspiracies, but with Russia that's behind an actual Iron
• 35:49
  Curtain. So we we can't we can't know
• 35:51
  what they were doing over there. The likes of the outlaw past is
• 35:54
  really interesting, eh, with the, the, the radiation levels
• 35:58
  of what was going on over there. Like, I know like some of those
• 36:00
  guys that were doing that, umm, that were doing that hill climb
• 36:04
  or fucking hike or whatever you want to call it, eh, they were
• 36:08
  eh, like scientists that worked with nuclear, eh, energy.
• 36:12
  But they said that the people that they found, yeah, yeah,
• 36:17
  there were like a lot of students, yeah.
• 36:18
  And but they, they all had like massively elevated, umm, nuclear
• 36:24
  fucking like when they went with the guy who counters and checked
• 36:26
  them afterwards, like they were like, these guys are fucking
• 36:28
  lighting up with this. And there was all kinds of like
• 36:32
  theories about whether it's it was a, a bomb, like a nuclear
• 36:39
  bomb that went wrong or a meltdown or some kind of like a
• 36:42
  weird new electromagnetic slash nuclear kind of a weapon that
• 36:47
  sent all these people crazy or so.
• 36:50
  What year was what year did that happen?
• 36:53
  I I think to the past was in it was in the 70s or the A's, I
• 36:59
  think the 80s. Let me see.
• 37:03
  Yeah, it's it's a don't ask. Because there's a lot of cool
• 37:06
  stuff, like when you like, there's the like there's stuff
• 37:10
  that's happened in Russia 5959 that's perfect Cold War time.
• 37:15
  So like, you know, you would very much believe that there was
• 37:17
  some kind of nuclear experiment that just went wrong.
• 37:20
  And the Russians were very good when anything went wrong, they
• 37:23
  would just, like, close, close ranks, circle the wagons.
• 37:26
  Nothing happened. Everything is fine.
• 37:28
  Because, you know, communism makes everything work perfectly.
• 37:31
  Don't worry about it. We're fine.
• 37:33
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:34
  And there's a lot of weird stuff.
• 37:36
  Go on installations up there as well that they said like hidden
• 37:40
  installations in the like built into the mountains and stuff
• 37:43
  like that. Like, you know, all of that kind
• 37:46
  of stuff they did. Like obviously it's like a like
• 37:49
  a like a fiction, but they like, there's a movie that I watched
• 37:52
  on the Yellow Pass incident and like a lot of the shit like it
• 37:55
  basically comes down there to there being a creature living in
• 37:58
  the mountains that like the Russians.
• 38:00
  Like like, what's the world I'm looking for?
• 38:05
  They like created some monster. Like basically and then that's
• 38:08
  what. Ate all of the.
• 38:10
  Hikers and things like that it. Was it was their resident
• 38:12
  people? Yeah.
• 38:14
  Essentially. We have created monster.
• 38:16
  It has escape. That's the yeah, but like,
• 38:19
  that's the least likely thing to have happened that he would like
• 38:23
  that animal did it. Yeah.
• 38:25
  I think with, with the way like the bodies or and all that kind
• 38:29
  of stuff and the fact that like there was a bit of madness.
• 38:31
  I I do think that there was some kind of a shenanigans with some
• 38:36
  kind of a weaponry like some kind of.
• 38:42
  But that's funny because one of them had said that there was
• 38:48
  they don't like a hike in the same kind of area before and
• 38:52
  there was like a constant high pitched buzz.
• 38:55
  The home yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was people saying that
• 39:00
  they've heard this, this noise before that like there was the
• 39:05
  the weird like noise. But we've we've got we've done
• 39:10
  like how do we talk about the M shaped cave?
• 39:13
  Danny, was that did we do one of them?
• 39:15
  I think we did, yeah. In America where you've got like
• 39:17
  these places in America that are very similar.
• 39:19
  Oh yeah, we do actually. Yeah, You, you come to like
• 39:23
  caves that are out in the wilderness and people get to
• 39:26
  them and they have these really uneasy feelings and it's like
• 39:30
  the electromagnetic kind of whatever is going on and get.
• 39:36
  That on the episode that you couldn't make it for it because
• 39:39
  you have the shits. Who?
• 39:41
  Oh, you talked about? Yeah, that's yeah, Yeah.
• 39:44
  Well. Because a lot of it, Appalachia
• 39:46
  has that kind of thing. It's just literally to do with
• 39:49
  like the atmosphere and things like that.
• 39:51
  It's and it kind of runs along with what's called thin places.
• 39:56
  So. There are places like all over
• 39:57
  the world that have that, like New Grange and is one of them,
• 40:01
  and where it's like that kind of stuff like Stonehenge, just
• 40:05
  weird, kind of like ancient. These places that are kind of
• 40:07
  dotted along lay lines, but where they they are also like
• 40:11
  fucked up when it comes to their electromagnetic signatures
• 40:15
  around the place. Like we've also all the
• 40:17
  triangles around the world that have like, you know, like the
• 40:20
  Bermuda triangles, probably the the most famous one.
• 40:23
  But like over in Asia, the dragon angle and stuff like that
• 40:27
  where it's just kind of a little bit the electromagnetic field
• 40:31
  there is just kind of a little bit more fucked up and I kind of
• 40:34
  your. Compass is fuck up, don't they?
• 40:36
  And it's like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because like there's a lot
• 40:39
  of people who will like, write off a lot of these things of
• 40:42
  like, you know, there's areas of the Earth where the
• 40:44
  electromagnetic field is either a little bit more concentrated
• 40:47
  or a little less concentrated. But like the Earth is like a big
• 40:50
  magnet and there are like iron ore deposits all over the place.
• 40:54
  So like, just from a practical point of view, like it is
• 40:57
  definitely a real thing. How it affects like people and
• 41:01
  things, though is like that's where like people like
• 41:03
  interpreted in like interesting ways and it can like affect a
• 41:08
  human being, like for sure. And but yeah, like dot around
• 41:12
  Appalachian, like these caves were like, you know, people hear
• 41:15
  weird noises. Like there's a like, there's a
• 41:17
  place in America that has a home and like there's these people
• 41:20
  who live in these towns around us and they're just like,
• 41:23
  they're living with this home. And they're, there is a military
• 41:26
  base near there because they're everywhere in America.
• 41:29
  And they keep trying to send to say to the American military is
• 41:32
  like, look, are you guys doing anything in there that like we
• 41:35
  need to know about? Like we have this home all the
• 41:38
  time. And the US military, like, no
• 41:40
  Sir, not at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:44
  That's massified, Sir. And right, let's let's put it.
• 41:49
  On top. Eh, to try and get back, like
• 41:54
  Speaking of weird places. And so this, the actual base
• 42:00
  itself has a tower that there was just 12 towers built, eh, in
• 42:07
  America during the Cold War. And these towers were all like,
• 42:14
  you know, informational relay towers, and every one of them
• 42:18
  are knocked down except for the one at Montauk.
• 42:24
  So that one is still standing there for reasons.
• 42:28
  The place itself has been decommissioned.
• 42:30
  So the it's like. Private planes on it like, you
• 42:38
  know, like people learn to fly out there.
• 42:40
  It's like a, they use it as like a school kind of well, at least
• 42:44
  they did like I haven't been to New York in like 10 years now,
• 42:46
  but they they did at the time they were still using as like a
• 42:49
  school, kind of like practice range.
• 42:52
  Well, the place itself after. So what what did you say 1983
• 42:56
  was when they they kind of yeah, they ended it as a an Air Force
• 43:02
  Base and that was yeah. So that was handed over to
• 43:07
  sorry. So like 82 was when it stopped.
• 43:09
  It was handed over to eh, New York, eh, the state of New York
• 43:15
  in 83 and has been a National Park ever since.
• 43:19
  So it's very weird that you have a National Park where there's
• 43:24
  places in it. I'm not saying it's weird.
• 43:27
  What, like, because obviously it was an old, an old naval slash
• 43:33
  Air Force Base and, but like there is a lot of places that
• 43:36
  are restricted zones and, and like do not enter and still a
• 43:42
  lot of military stuff hanging around there.
• 43:44
  So like where people say like, oh, the military leftist, did
• 43:48
  the military leave it? Or did they just hand most of
• 43:50
  the land over to the state of New York?
• 43:53
  And the actual facility itself is like locked up under under
• 43:59
  lock and key. Yeah, but there's like loads of
• 44:02
  places like that even around Cardiff.
• 44:06
  I think I've like probably told you about there is up in which
• 44:10
  church like in in the mountains there's like an old like it's a
• 44:13
  just a communications tower that BT owned and it's a bunker
• 44:19
  inside underneath it. So you can get it like you have
• 44:22
  to like obviously break into it. Been there a couple times, but
• 44:28
  they left behind like loads. Like the Brits don't give a fuck
• 44:30
  about heightened things as much as the Americans do.
• 44:32
  But then I don't think that there was anything as like, I
• 44:35
  guess we'll say, kind of shady going on in those.
• 44:39
  It was just basically like a lot of telecoms for the military.
• 44:45
  There was a few maps and stuff like that.
• 44:47
  The building that I used to work in, it's called Stadium House.
• 44:52
  It's like a massive exchange. That's where all of BT and
• 44:55
  Overreach were until they moved, but it's still there because
• 44:57
  it's still an exchange. It's got like underground
• 44:59
  tunnels like that go all under Cardiff because it has to.
• 45:04
  And then the top floor MI 5 work up there.
• 45:08
  You need like a retina scan and everything to get up because it
• 45:12
  is seen as like a place that would be, I guess like first
• 45:15
  stop for a terrorist attack because it is a communications
• 45:19
  exchange. It's just to make sure that the
• 45:22
  terrorists can't get at the building with their eyeballs.
• 45:26
  Digit yeah, but it's got like a panic room and stuff.
• 45:28
  It's. Got like, they could be MK
• 45:29
  Ultra, they could have mind powers.
• 45:31
  They could, yeah. We don't know, but like they
• 45:33
  could. Have eye lasers.
• 45:35
  I mean the lift doesn't go up to that floor so they'd have to
• 45:38
  find the very easy to find stairs so.
• 45:41
  Instead of instead. Of a key fob instead of a key
• 45:43
  fob to get the lift to go to the top floor.
• 45:45
  Mine powers. Yeah, well.
• 45:47
  I was more thinking of the likes of terrorists wanting to get to
• 45:55
  a certain floor, a building. I know.
• 45:57
  Like if I wanted to get to like the 191st floor of the building,
• 46:01
  I probably use a Boeing 747 to get there.
• 46:04
  Like I'm not what? I'm not getting in with my
• 46:07
  fucking eye. Like if I thought MI 5 or MI 5
• 46:10
  is in this building, I want to blow it up.
• 46:11
  I'm not going to go through the front fucking door.
• 46:14
  Yeah, but you are also talking about it would be Welsh
• 46:16
  independence terrorists like they, they have very, very
• 46:19
  little imagination. You can walk up to that floor.
• 46:23
  The dynamite strapped to a sheep.
• 46:27
  Like you will like, I think the coolest.
• 46:29
  Like the most advanced piece of equipment they have in that
• 46:31
  building is like the first ever telephone ever made.
• 46:35
  Cloned sheep. Why the Welsh have the first
• 46:40
  ever fucking telephone made It's.
• 46:42
  BT. Stolen.
• 46:43
  British Telecom What are? We talking about?
• 46:45
  So like the first, the first like.
• 46:48
  First ever style of home telephone that you would have
• 46:52
  they have like they have a few of those died in the hallways
• 46:56
  and like this is how old like British Telecom is and blah blah
• 47:00
  blah. Is it?
• 47:01
  Like, you don't want to like these ones, you know, like the
• 47:03
  like the mouthpiece and the. Waterfall.
• 47:07
  Ringing. Ringing.
• 47:09
  Yeah, it is. OK.
• 47:12
  So to go back to this, this tower on Montauk, I'm looking at
• 47:15
  the picture in here and it's like one of those big like
• 47:17
  satellite receivers. Is this one of those ones that
• 47:19
  was just pointed at the Soviet Union?
• 47:22
  I'm not sure if it was pointed at the so I don't think it was
• 47:26
  trying to like get, umm, communications from Russia.
• 47:30
  I think that these 12 towers were not around America so that
• 47:34
  they had instant communications with one another.
• 47:37
  Well, again. It was like their internal
• 47:39
  communication. System, yes, but that's that's
• 47:41
  the story. So again, I don't know if the
• 47:44
  like the the, the the theory is that these eh are to amplify the
• 47:50
  electromagnetic fields around if you get me.
• 47:53
  So gotcha. I'm I'm again, it's
• 47:56
  communications, it's in courts, a communications tower.
• 48:00
  But the conspiracies are that the tower is a lot more kind of
• 48:03
  dubious and a lot more to do with these experiments.
• 48:07
  Psychic psychic amplification. Yes, yeah, amplifying whatever
• 48:11
  power that they needed to, to, to, to like using for these
• 48:16
  Montauk boys. And so to get into that, Danny
• 48:22
  actually spoke about the, the, the facility itself there, the,
• 48:25
  the Welsh facility having a load of tunnels on the ground.
• 48:29
  So that actually did remind me that there is a description from
• 48:34
  this guy Preston, who talks about the facility inside.
• 48:38
  A lot of coincidences with this Preston guy as well.
• 48:41
  So like I've taken everything he says with a pinch of salt and
• 48:45
  but the facility itself, eh, apparently has got a labyrinth
• 48:50
  of tunnels that go underneath the base and sprawl out.
• 48:55
  So it's not just the base itself.
• 48:56
  So this apparently is way bigger, which is something that
• 49:00
  to go back to our remote viewing talk is makes a lot of sense
• 49:04
  because when they were talking about seeing bases, whether it
• 49:08
  was domestic bases in America or bases across the world, they
• 49:14
  were saying that they were seeing stuff that was
• 49:15
  underground and they were, you know, these big honeycomb mazes
• 49:22
  and labyrinths that were going underneath the bases.
• 49:26
  And the. So here's like, again, this
• 49:31
  probably doesn't sound all that like weird for people if they're
• 49:35
  listening. OK, they were trying some
• 49:37
  experiments, but we haven't actually said that any kind of
• 49:39
  experiment worked here. But the big eh, kind of here's
• 49:46
  the one that has this fantastical kind of eh theory
• 49:49
  that comes out of it. And it's the one that they call
• 49:53
  the Montauk Monster. So they reckon there's 22
• 50:00
  stories or two theories behind where this Montauk monster
• 50:05
  actually would have came from. And one of them is that they
• 50:10
  asked a kid to materialize a monster, and this is the monster
• 50:15
  that the kid made-up in his mind.
• 50:18
  And the other one is that while they were trying the experiments
• 50:23
  of teleportation or to open up one of these rifts or these
• 50:29
  portals to get from A to B, that they opened up a portal and the
• 50:37
  monster came out of the portal. And now I don't know what the
• 50:42
  description of the monster is. This is where I said it kind of
• 50:45
  ties in with Bigfoot because there are some people out there
• 50:47
  who have spoken that maybe this is the metaphysical Bigfoot that
• 50:52
  people might talk about this one that kind of has just
• 50:56
  materialized into our existence and is out roaming in America
• 51:01
  somewhere. And but most of the the Montauk
• 51:05
  monster talk is that this monster got loose in this
• 51:11
  facility, broke out, and then started roaming the countryside
• 51:15
  around New York. And they're like the the greater
• 51:19
  New York area. OK, I'm walking here.
• 51:23
  He's a very, he's a very New York, you know, monster.
• 51:31
  Well, that is that's another thing as well.
• 51:33
  And like, it's during all of this, didn't they like claim to
• 51:37
  accidentally discover time travel?
• 51:41
  Yes. Which is another like, and this
• 51:43
  is a funny thing to me because of course it would be accidental
• 51:48
  for the Americans. It would never be intentionally
• 51:51
  done. It would be just like going back
• 51:55
  to The Great Gatsby time. I can't say technically, but
• 52:00
  they were, I don't think it would have been like completely
• 52:02
  accidental that they were like, oh, we were, we were trying to,
• 52:05
  you know, like we were trying to.
• 52:06
  Crisis last. Week now shit.
• 52:12
  I'm there for my own wedding day.
• 52:14
  I still forgot me Ma's birthday. But umm, I, I don't think like
• 52:21
  they were trying to make fucking serial and then they went, Oh,
• 52:25
  we've discovered time travel. I don't think it was like one of
• 52:28
  those ones or it was like a happy accident where they were
• 52:31
  trying to cure heart disease and Med Viagra and they were still
• 52:34
  doing like the the same kind of experiments.
• 52:38
  So they, they, it was all got to do with according to this
• 52:43
  Preston guy. Again, if like again, this is
• 52:45
  all very fuzzy in my head because I'm riddled with ADHD,
• 52:50
  but this precedent that who talked about the time travel
• 52:53
  aspect? He said that they were, they
• 52:56
  were using these Nazis that they they brought over were using
• 53:01
  like Einstein's theories of like relativity.
• 53:07
  And what was that? What's the other fucking big
• 53:09
  Einstein one? We probably need a fucking
• 53:13
  scientist in here to to talk about this Humble and.
• 53:17
  Call Oppenheimer. But yeah, anyways, never mind,
• 53:23
  mind Oppenheimer, that's totally.
• 53:24
  Different they're, they're using his theories of like, yeah, like
• 53:27
  relativity and space-time. Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 53:29
  So it was, it was kind of that. So Einstein, again, we're
• 53:39
  talking about someone here who I'm I'm the kind of guy who has
• 53:44
  landed on his head a lot. I don't have a lot of brain
• 53:47
  cells left, so if I try to even discuss Einstein's theories
• 53:53
  here, it could be laughable. So again, I'm glad we don't have
• 53:56
  any listeners listening to this. But what?
• 54:00
  Yeah, 3. Loyal listeners, how dare you?
• 54:03
  OK, we have 3 listeners and. One of them is Alex as he edits.
• 54:09
  One one of them is the Montauk monster.
• 54:13
  So to to Alex, Claire and the Montauk monster.
• 54:17
  And I will just, I'll just put this out there.
• 54:20
  I don't know what I'm talking about, but here is my very basic
• 54:25
  idea of what I think. He's right.
• 54:27
  He don't know what he's talking about.
• 54:29
  So Einstein reckoned that we could bend space if we if we
• 54:36
  could bend space, we could basically fold it in on itself
• 54:41
  and use that space to move between the two points that
• 54:46
  we've just folded in on ourselves.
• 54:48
  So if you can picture a piece of paper I have here and I fold a
• 54:52
  piece of paper I, I want, I have a point A on paper on, on one
• 54:57
  side of the paper and point B on the other side of the paper.
• 55:00
  I fold these two eh pig or the I fold the paper over so it makes
• 55:05
  2 pages and point A and point B are now touching.
• 55:08
  So I should be in theory be able to move from point A to point B
• 55:11
  like that because I have moved space rather than time.
• 55:16
  So I have now moved the space from point A and point BI have
• 55:19
  now moved them around and touched them.
• 55:21
  So that's what Einstein was saying, that we could actually
• 55:24
  theoretically move through space.
• 55:27
  But the, the, the reason why we think it's an accident that they
• 55:33
  also create time travel is that time and space are linked.
• 55:38
  Like they're critically linked. Like you can't, you can't have
• 55:42
  one without the other really. So if you're moving space like
• 55:46
  that and you're going to move through space like that,
• 55:50
  basically you're also moving through time.
• 55:53
  So that is time travel. So they realize that.
• 55:55
  Now if again, this is the theory, this isn't people aren't
• 56:00
  actually doing this or to my knowledge, they're not actually
• 56:03
  doing this. But the the idea is that if you
• 56:05
  can move from point A to point B seamlessly, you can now pick
• 56:10
  whatever point you want to land, not just in space, but also in
• 56:14
  time. So they were saying that they
• 56:17
  were sending people through space, and they also started
• 56:21
  sending people through time as well.
• 56:22
  And not just past, but they were able to send people through the
• 56:25
  future. So they were saying that there
• 56:27
  was people actually made a lot of trips to the future.
• 56:31
  And this is where we've got our like, eh, rapid acceleration in
• 56:35
  technologies over the last, eh, say 40 years because of this.
• 56:39
  Yeah. That would make a lot of sense.
• 56:42
  Could have something to do with a couple of like alien ships
• 56:44
  that crash landed in various places.
• 56:46
  Yes. In America and in Russia and
• 56:49
  allegedly one in China, and especially when it comes to
• 56:52
  like, lasers, microchips, all that, like touchscreen
• 56:55
  technology, a lot of that gets linked to aliens.
• 57:00
  So when they were doing their experiments with like, time
• 57:03
  travel and space-time and did they ever like, claim that they
• 57:09
  got in contact with aliens directly?
• 57:11
  Or are we just talking about like there were allegedly some
• 57:13
  like alien crashes that they dealt with?
• 57:16
  Right. So there is like it's this, this
• 57:20
  again is a little bit muddled up.
• 57:22
  So there is kind of a talk of them going to the future, so
• 57:28
  future versions of ourselves and which also is theoretically what
• 57:35
  aliens also are. So like we've got the idea like
• 57:38
  that that Gray aliens are just a very advanced.
• 57:42
  Version like 10,000 years or? Exactly.
• 57:44
  Yeah, yeah. And so again, I'm not saying
• 57:48
  that like it's not linked to aliens, but the, well, this guy
• 57:54
  Preston who who was talking of all this shit, he did say that
• 58:01
  the Montauk chair that we were talking about at the very
• 58:04
  beginning of this, this chair that the kids sit in and that
• 58:09
  they're able to do all their experiments.
• 58:10
  So this chair that obviously gets the eh powers, the
• 58:14
  electromagnetic powers or the eh brain, you know, amplifying
• 58:19
  powers, eh that that is alien technology that they have
• 58:24
  actually received from aliens. And now again, absolutely not to
• 58:33
  verify that there's eh like where where the aliens came out
• 58:37
  of. He doesn't say nothing is
• 58:39
  happening but like what he does say is it is in the 1940s that
• 58:44
  this chair appears and that Montauk starts heading up.
• 58:49
  So we also know that Roswell would have happened, eh, in
• 58:53
  1945, was it? 40.
• 58:56
  Seven yeah, so it was just after the war.
• 58:57
  Yeah. So, and so now they have like
• 59:02
  this, like Montauk set up as a base and went from a naval eh
• 59:09
  base to an Air Force Base. Umm, a right around the time
• 59:15
  where he was talking about that this extra technology,
• 59:19
  extraterrestrial technology was after coming into play.
• 59:22
  And the Air Force are who we kind of will say it's not really
• 59:27
  the Navy who, umm, are always getting these sightings of
• 59:32
  aliens or, you know, like they're like when they're doing
• 59:34
  these, umm, uh, the Congress hearings, it's people from the
• 59:39
  Air Force that are sitting down and being questioned about this.
• 59:42
  That's the, the military branch that really deals with UA PS and
• 59:45
  UFOs and that kind of stuff. So I can imagine that if alien
• 59:49
  technology is involved in this, that it's that's why it became a
• 59:56
  brand part of the Air Force rather than get kept as a naval
• 1:00:01
  base, if you get me. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Unlike the the Air Force Base that sprung from Roswell, which
• 1:00:09
  is Area 51, Yes, when you were talking about these bases having
• 1:00:12
  these stories about like, you know, there are these
• 1:00:14
  underground labyrinthine like, you know, honeycomb structures.
• 1:00:18
  Like that is exactly the description of what Area 51.
• 1:00:21
  It's like this like vast sprawling underground, multi
• 1:00:25
  level, like, you know, absolutely enormous structure.
• 1:00:29
  But all you see in the desert is like a gate.
• 1:00:33
  Yes, you know, like a pothole. It's it's like all of these
• 1:00:38
  things like interweave and just tie up together.
• 1:00:41
  It's a it's just this like little, you know, yeah, it's
• 1:00:46
  just this like magic of American conspiracy.
• 1:00:48
  That's just everything is interconnected.
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, yeah. Especially like when we're we
• 1:00:53
  start talking about like obviously like we get excited
• 1:00:56
  with MK Ultra, the the guys that are the remote viewers, the
• 1:01:01
  Philadelphia project, the the Montauk project, all this kind
• 1:01:05
  of stuff and project paper clip, that kind of stuff, all this
• 1:01:08
  stuff. Kind of like if you want to find
• 1:01:12
  connections, they're so easy to connect.
• 1:01:14
  And then you can go along the lines of like, eh, OK, so if
• 1:01:19
  these bases that this stuff is happening have got labyrinthian,
• 1:01:23
  eh, kind of structures under the Earth, eh, Is this got to do
• 1:01:27
  with the alien conspiracy where we've got the hollow Earth and
• 1:01:31
  that there's aliens living in under?
• 1:01:33
  Narrow gates, you know all. Of that stuff, yeah.
• 1:01:35
  So all this stuff can kind of can tie in if we wanted to tie
• 1:01:39
  in and. But I think that's what the
• 1:01:42
  beauty of this, why it's so easy for your mind is to wander and
• 1:01:46
  to get sucked into these conspiracies, is because
• 1:01:49
  everything is vague enough that you can reach for the next thing
• 1:01:54
  and just pull those strings together and make it all one big
• 1:01:57
  conspiracy. Like we can go and say like that
• 1:02:00
  Area 51 has a tunnel to the Denver airport, and that has a
• 1:02:04
  tunnel to yeah, like you put you.
• 1:02:08
  Get what I'm saying? Like.
• 1:02:09
  To help. It is.
• 1:02:11
  I think so. A lot of it is like Illuminati
• 1:02:15
  headquarters kind of rumors and stuff like that about Denver
• 1:02:18
  airport and like that. It's like basically, yeah, just
• 1:02:24
  just a portal. I know.
• 1:02:26
  We'll do. It again because we've done such
• 1:02:28
  a good episode on that we. Did we were really good, we lost
• 1:02:31
  it and like. Just to go back to the the
• 1:02:34
  Philadelphia experiment. So like with Philadelphia and
• 1:02:37
  with like with Montauk, like there's, there's kernels of
• 1:02:42
  truth in in all of it. So like they were doing psychic
• 1:02:47
  experiments. They were trying to see if
• 1:02:49
  people could like control things with their minds.
• 1:02:50
  They were trying to see if they could create truth serums.
• 1:02:53
  And with the Philadelphia project, they were trying to
• 1:02:56
  create an invisible ship. And again, it's back to
• 1:03:00
  electromagnetism. Like at the time they thought
• 1:03:03
  that electromagnetism was like, it was like the bleeding edge of
• 1:03:05
  science. It was the absolute, you know,
• 1:03:07
  where they could push things at the time and they thought they
• 1:03:10
  could do everything. So, you know, and again, it
• 1:03:14
  like, it goes into pop culture, like all this stuff just, you
• 1:03:16
  know, kind of bleeds into pop culture as well because, like,
• 1:03:18
  there is an obsession with making things like invisible to
• 1:03:22
  radar. And that's what they were trying
• 1:03:24
  to do with the Philadelphia Experiment.
• 1:03:25
  But then, like, it's, you know, people misunderstood that and
• 1:03:28
  they thought they were trying to make it, like, actually
• 1:03:30
  invisible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:32
  And they were trying to use the power of electromagnetism.
• 1:03:35
  And when you look at then how that goes into, like, into pop
• 1:03:40
  culture, like, you know, you have in Star Trek, you have
• 1:03:42
  alien ships that can be cloaked, like, you know, the Klingons can
• 1:03:46
  cloak their ship. Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  Shut the fuck up. Let boys talk about boys off for
• 1:03:56
  a minute now, Star Trek. Let's get let's get back to the
• 1:04:00
  Klingons here. Yeah, but like the Klingons had
• 1:04:03
  like cooking technology where they were like actually
• 1:04:06
  invisible. And like, it's still a military
• 1:04:09
  obsession. Like they still are trying to
• 1:04:11
  make vehicles like almost naked to like, to, to like naked eye.
• 1:04:16
  Like, I'm sorry, invisible to naked eye.
• 1:04:19
  But like, what they were doing is they're trying to like, you
• 1:04:21
  know, radar jamming. Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, yeah. But also like the, the
• 1:04:26
  technology they're trying to use now for a light bending.
• 1:04:30
  So basically it's, but we're, we're getting back to actual,
• 1:04:33
  eh, Einsteinian, eh, kind of technologies where we can bend
• 1:04:37
  light around stuff. And they have Shields that if
• 1:04:41
  you can have a person behind the shield, but the way that it
• 1:04:45
  bends the light, you can see nothing but the image.
• 1:04:50
  Like it's after getting so good that you can just see, like if
• 1:04:53
  there's a guy standing in a field with a shield, you're just
• 1:04:56
  seeing the field. And no matter how close you get
• 1:04:58
  to the guy, until you're right on top of them and around to the
• 1:05:02
  side of them, you can't see that the shield isn't there.
• 1:05:06
  It's like it's this technology is getting like.
• 1:05:10
  This is, This is why I think like there is absolutely a
• 1:05:13
  kernel of truth in these things. Because if the technology now is
• 1:05:17
  as good as that and it is portable enough as that, then 60
• 1:05:21
  and 70 years ago when they were creating the technology, they
• 1:05:24
  were doing it with like, you know, an entire ship or an
• 1:05:28
  entire building and they were they were making mistakes.
• 1:05:32
  There were accidents. There were definitely casualties
• 1:05:34
  when they were doing this because they were using the
• 1:05:36
  technology that they didn't fully understand and they didn't
• 1:05:40
  know how to control. Like they were different.
• 1:05:42
  Like you said earlier, they're torn shit at the wall and seeing
• 1:05:45
  like, you know, like if it explodes, they're like, OK,
• 1:05:47
  let's understand why it exploded.
• 1:05:49
  And then the next time they do, they're like, OK, it's loaded
• 1:05:52
  because of this, you know, reason number a.
• 1:05:55
  Then the next time there's reason number B and you know,
• 1:05:57
  there's this trial and error thing and eventually they're
• 1:06:00
  able to like create this technology where they can do it
• 1:06:03
  to like, you know, a small boat, a car, you know, like a soldier
• 1:06:07
  can carry. Because a lot of the time it
• 1:06:08
  comes down like this technology. The aim is for it to be like on
• 1:06:11
  an individual soldier. And again, it's back to the
• 1:06:14
  Super soldiers. And you want to give your
• 1:06:16
  soldier the best mental advantage, the best weaponry
• 1:06:20
  advantage and the best technological advantage.
• 1:06:22
  Everything with this is down to military application.
• 1:06:24
  Oh, 100%. And like the, even the, the
• 1:06:28
  technologies they're using for the stealth plants that they
• 1:06:31
  have now, this actually came from these, these projects, the,
• 1:06:36
  the, the stuff that was like, again, this is me just reading
• 1:06:40
  up on this kind of stuff from Montauk.
• 1:06:42
  But their stuff that they were doing in these bases, like
• 1:06:45
  Montauk and the, the different kind of, I forget the, the, the
• 1:06:50
  other bases that they were, they were using.
• 1:06:52
  But like, anyways, these experimental, eh, bases that
• 1:06:56
  they were actually like trained to train out all this kind of
• 1:06:59
  stuff. That's where we got the likes of
• 1:07:02
  electromagnetic pulse weaponry, which they've found actually is
• 1:07:08
  a real thing, the stealth weaponry and that like they've
• 1:07:12
  got like those planes that kind of like they're supersonic, but
• 1:07:18
  also they can, eh, mask themselves to radar and visually
• 1:07:23
  as well, which is just incredible technologies.
• 1:07:26
  But it all came from something that would seem like it was
• 1:07:29
  science fiction. The U2 stealth bomber and the
• 1:07:35
  Blackbird, they were developed in Area 51.
• 1:07:39
  And their designs at the time were so radical.
• 1:07:43
  And they were kept under, under wraps.
• 1:07:44
  And it was, you know, there were sightings of these weird shapes
• 1:07:47
  and the sky, these triangles in the sky and then eventually
• 1:07:50
  triangles. Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  And eventually, like, the US military, like unveiled, I think
• 1:07:55
  it was like the Blackbird in particular, they unveiled it.
• 1:07:58
  And when you look at it, you're like, that's not a fucking
• 1:08:00
  plane. Like, this is just not a plane.
• 1:08:02
  And then like, it's like, oh, no, this is like our stealth
• 1:08:04
  plane. And it's like, whoa, whoa,
• 1:08:05
  holders, there's two things happening here at once that you
• 1:08:09
  were denying, like, up until a few months ago.
• 1:08:12
  And all of this stuff gets developed in these, like, super
• 1:08:15
  secret military bases surrounded by mystery and surrounded with
• 1:08:18
  conspiracy. And then it's like, Oh yeah,
• 1:08:20
  this technology that we developed and people like
• 1:08:22
  developed or were gifted. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:26
  The I, the Blackbird particularly as you're saying
• 1:08:29
  is, is that's a fascinating one because the shape like the the
• 1:08:33
  the YouTube armor was kind of coming out.
• 1:08:35
  It was a weird shaped thing, kind of the front of it looked
• 1:08:38
  like a big cock, I think. But like the the the Blackbird
• 1:08:43
  in particular was like that could explain a lot of the
• 1:08:46
  sightings that you see around Nevada at the time.
• 1:08:49
  And and like, eh, like and all over this fucking thing
• 1:08:53
  apparently could go supersonic. So like, well, like are close to
• 1:08:56
  it. So like you could find that in
• 1:08:58
  any part of America very fast and it will get back to eh to eh
• 1:09:03
  Nevada like as as as quick as a finger would snap.
• 1:09:07
  Like so like the fact that people weren't are still kind of
• 1:09:11
  iron .2 and two together with that one that is like, oh, we
• 1:09:14
  saw a UFO and then all of a sudden we have this stealth plan
• 1:09:18
  that looks just like the UFOs that people were seeing.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah. I think eh, I don't know, it
• 1:09:25
  just seems a bit obvious. There was the umm then like from
• 1:09:29
  those as well. There was particularly the umm.
• 1:09:31
  There was like an F F117, which was like super triangular in
• 1:09:38
  shape. And that one was just like,
• 1:09:40
  again, didn't look like it was so far from a traditional
• 1:09:43
  design, But they had, like, been developing this in super secret
• 1:09:47
  out in the desert in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:09:48
  And it just fed into like, all these.
• 1:09:51
  Like, it was a lot of people being like, I know what I saw.
• 1:09:53
  And then when everyone else saw it, it was like, oh, shit.
• 1:09:56
  Yeah. Like maybe everything else has.
• 1:09:58
  Like like I said, there is a kernel of truth in all of this.
• 1:10:02
  Every single bit of this. Yes, yeah, yeah, I, I'm 100% eh
• 1:10:07
  behind that as well. Like, and the kind of it's, it's
• 1:10:11
  really like, again, not to kind of veer off topic too much to go
• 1:10:15
  on to talk about like eh, the technologies and where we got
• 1:10:19
  them from. But like when we talk about the
• 1:10:21
  likes of Bob Lazar and people who like say that they've worked
• 1:10:24
  in Area 51, they have reverse yes.
• 1:10:28
  So they have like reverse engineered this technology from
• 1:10:32
  the UFO that crashed in Roswell this year.
• 1:10:36
  Like this is the the chat that comes from.
• 1:10:38
  But like when we talk about and again, maybe technology will get
• 1:10:43
  this fast anyways, where people like, I'm not saying like I'm,
• 1:10:46
  I'm not saying 100% believe that alien technology is the reason
• 1:10:50
  why we're here. I'm saying that like it could
• 1:10:52
  very well be, it would explain a lot of stuff.
• 1:10:55
  But in the last 70 to 80 years, the way technology has gone from
• 1:11:03
  eh, like if you think about like in the 1940s, there was probably
• 1:11:09
  like, you know, like again, just just to go from like just this
• 1:11:15
  cent, like the, the, the century that we've had alone since World
• 1:11:19
  War One where people were in fucking by planes at the turn of
• 1:11:22
  the century and are just inventing plans to guys, eh, are
• 1:11:27
  now like flying drones that are like like unmanned drones that
• 1:11:35
  are going at fucking supersonic speeds that are being masked
• 1:11:38
  over radars. Like to get from A to B in 100
• 1:11:44
  years is fucking miraculous when it comes to technologies.
• 1:11:47
  And like, who knows where it's going to be in the next 100
• 1:11:50
  years. But what I'm saying is if there
• 1:11:53
  isn't some kind of alien intervention, there are, you
• 1:11:57
  know, this kind of gifted technology And then I, I wonder,
• 1:12:02
  would it really like, is it possible for technologies to go
• 1:12:06
  this fast? Because when you look at the the
• 1:12:09
  time from when the Wright brothers had their first flight
• 1:12:13
  to when we landed on the moon, you know, like that period.
• 1:12:19
  Of time. Yeah, It is like, it is a
• 1:12:22
  shockingly short amount of time considering it took us so long
• 1:12:25
  to figure out how to create vehicles that could fly like you
• 1:12:28
  had Leonardo da Vinci hundreds of years ago, theorizing that it
• 1:12:32
  was possible with designs based on, like, you know, birds wings.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah. And then the right.
• 1:12:37
  Person as well, yeah. He also came over like this
• 1:12:40
  Helio copter and stuff like that, that sort of he was, yeah,
• 1:12:43
  he was throwing a lot of shit at the wall as well.
• 1:12:45
  And he was based on a lot, like, a lot about nature.
• 1:12:46
  Like, you know, the helicopter was based on like certain seeds
• 1:12:49
  to fall off trees. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:51
  Sycamore seeds, I think those, yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah. And a lot of that started to
• 1:12:54
  come back into technology. Like they're trying to base a
• 1:12:57
  lot of designs now on animal designs because of the
• 1:13:00
  efficiency involved in it. And there's like a lot of lot of
• 1:13:03
  like, you know, like aeronautical technology is not
• 1:13:07
  as efficient as it could be. But yeah, like I'm looking at
• 1:13:11
  like more like stealth bombers here.
• 1:13:14
  There's one called the B2 Spirit.
• 1:13:16
  And it is just this like jagged angle triangle.
• 1:13:20
  And it is exactly the, the triangle shape, like you know,
• 1:13:24
  of like when people were talking about seeing all these, these
• 1:13:27
  alien crafts in the 70s, eighties and early 90s across
• 1:13:31
  America. And it is exactly that shape.
• 1:13:33
  And it's black as well. So like just really, it's so
• 1:13:36
  contrasted in the sky. Like if you saw that and you
• 1:13:40
  didn't know that it existed, like where did they come up with
• 1:13:43
  that design? Because it's so radical, like it
• 1:13:45
  is such a radical departure from your traditional like
• 1:13:49
  aeronautical designs. I rage bait boys for a second
• 1:13:53
  though. Of course.
• 1:13:57
  I just wanted to say so like obviously we.
• 1:14:01
  Well, back to the conversation, by the way, Danny.
• 1:14:03
  No, sorry, I was listening intently and I do.
• 1:14:07
  I just want to like. Obviously we're like all the
• 1:14:10
  advances and stuff that we have in that like space and like
• 1:14:15
  Airtel and things like that. Why did they just stop with the
• 1:14:20
  sea? It was almost like, yeah, we're
• 1:14:23
  going to invest a lot of money into it and that no, there's
• 1:14:25
  nothing down there. So yeah, but why don't we know
• 1:14:27
  nothing down there? Can't, can't go any like.
• 1:14:30
  There's so much we don't know about it.
• 1:14:33
  How was that rage baton? Because.
• 1:14:35
  I. Don't know because you guys were
• 1:14:36
  so into your flying machines. I don't like, I think that's,
• 1:14:39
  that's like a kind of worms in in itself, like the technology
• 1:14:42
  to go to the bottom of the sea is harder to make than it is to
• 1:14:46
  go out to. The Oak.
• 1:14:49
  Because. Obviously you have.
• 1:14:50
  When you're atmospheric pressure is a thing that.
• 1:14:52
  You have like a. 100 space. No, no.
• 1:14:55
  But like at the bottom of the ocean, you'll have like, say, a
• 1:14:57
  house in atmospheres. Or, you know, maybe I'm
• 1:14:59
  exaggerating. Well, let's say 500 atmospheres
• 1:15:02
  of pressure weighing down on, which means that everything
• 1:15:04
  weighs like 500 times more than it should.
• 1:15:07
  Open space, it's 00. Everything is lighter.
• 1:15:10
  The challenge is to just get there.
• 1:15:13
  Yeah. So the technology, the
• 1:15:15
  technology to get to space and to, like exist in space is
• 1:15:22
  easier in a way. Like it's still infinitely
• 1:15:25
  complicated, but it's easier in a way than it is to survive at
• 1:15:29
  the bottom of the ocean. Like you can build a space
• 1:15:31
  station where you can have between like 10 and 15 people
• 1:15:35
  living on it for like, you know, a very extended periods of time.
• 1:15:38
  You can only build a craft the coast of the bottom of the ocean
• 1:15:41
  that can have like two or three people in it.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, I mean, I guess because I did watch that documentary on
• 1:15:46
  the the Titanic submersive thing.
• 1:15:50
  And fucking. Stupid.
• 1:15:53
  It was so stupid. It.
• 1:15:54
  Was. Ridiculous.
• 1:15:56
  No, I've just seen is this James Cameron or is this the the guy
• 1:15:59
  who made it and it? Was the fucking guy the one that
• 1:16:02
  imploded? The one that imploded, right?
• 1:16:04
  Yeah. I know, but.
• 1:16:06
  Like that's just. Some billionaire being in a.
• 1:16:08
  No, I know that, but I'm just saying like it's just just a
• 1:16:10
  bill and they go into like basically how all of the actual
• 1:16:14
  scientists just left the project because they were just like, no,
• 1:16:18
  he was. Just being in a lunatic.
• 1:16:21
  Yeah, yeah. He was just like, no, we can do
• 1:16:22
  it and we can do it really cheap.
• 1:16:23
  And they were like, doesn't work like that.
• 1:16:25
  Like you have to have to spend money on this thing.
• 1:16:28
  And there were. He was.
• 1:16:29
  Like the logs? And stuff.
• 1:16:30
  He was like, we can make it out of fiberglass.
• 1:16:33
  Yeah. And even like the head.
• 1:16:35
  Guy who even stayed around for it, he was like, I'm getting on
• 1:16:39
  that thing. But like they did like a few of
• 1:16:41
  like the test drops and like a part.
• 1:16:43
  So the pops is basically like the whole fucking thing breaking
• 1:16:46
  apart and they've they discovered that it could
• 1:16:49
  withstand X amount of pops before he has to come up.
• 1:16:53
  And it's like apparently when it was going down with that crew,
• 1:16:57
  when it when it did implode, they had exceeded it and they
• 1:17:01
  were calling him again and again and they were like, it was all
• 1:17:03
  coming back up now. Micro cracks that were, that
• 1:17:05
  were happening like with every like inch they, they Lord like
• 1:17:09
  the only mercy, the only mercy is that like they did hear on
• 1:17:12
  the radio, like when it didn't implode, it was like, you know,
• 1:17:16
  100th of a second like, you know, and that, that shows why
• 1:17:19
  like it's so complicated down there because like 1 little
• 1:17:22
  weakness and it is like, it's game over.
• 1:17:25
  It's not like someone is stranded or they're isolated.
• 1:17:28
  It is like the worst kind of game over for like, you know,
• 1:17:31
  there is nothing to recover. But it's like the space travel
• 1:17:36
  they have like they can eh use not well, it's not space travel,
• 1:17:40
  but on eh the ships, there's parts of the ships that foil is
• 1:17:46
  the only thing between you and space.
• 1:17:49
  And because you're at 0 atmospheres, eh, like that will
• 1:17:54
  not change. There's nothing that will like
• 1:17:57
  space debris ripping through it or somebody hitting it.
• 1:18:00
  Like once that's left alone, that will never be harmed
• 1:18:03
  because the atmospheric pressure never changes in space because
• 1:18:07
  there's zero atmosphere out there.
• 1:18:09
  So when you think about what you need under the water to to kind
• 1:18:13
  of withstand atmospheres, you a sheet of foil could eh, protect
• 1:18:18
  you from zero atmospheres. That.
• 1:18:21
  Thing rigged what's the something dolphin I think it's
• 1:18:24
  called, but basically was a bunch of divers that worked up
• 1:18:28
  on the North Sea and they were drilling like at the bottom of
• 1:18:33
  the on this oil rig to fix it. And.
• 1:18:36
  There was like obviously a compression hatch that needed to
• 1:18:38
  be closed and they all had come up.
• 1:18:40
  I think the shift went extra long.
• 1:18:43
  They'd all come up so one specific.
• 1:18:46
  Guy was just like. Like just stormed off past
• 1:18:48
  everyone because he'd had, he was just fed up with it.
• 1:18:50
  He was just like not fucking I'm going to bed.
• 1:18:52
  We're 9 hours over our shift. Like the guy had actually said,
• 1:18:56
  oh, don't worry, I'll close it. But he couldn't close it by
• 1:18:59
  himself. And he was like calling this
• 1:19:01
  dude to come back and come back and come back.
• 1:19:03
  Didn't hear him. He'd gone like into his cabin or
• 1:19:05
  whatever and then because it didn't close and the other hatch
• 1:19:09
  was open, whatever happened, Like literally this man was
• 1:19:12
  sucked into like the size of a fucking pinhole.
• 1:19:14
  Like they just essentially disintegrated because of the
• 1:19:19
  pressure. It was just like crazy and like
• 1:19:22
  my go. Ahead.
• 1:19:24
  So like one of the things that's come out in the last couple of
• 1:19:27
  years with footage from the Air Force is to go back to that.
• 1:19:31
  The footage from the Air Force that has been released and has
• 1:19:33
  been shown in Congress has been like, you know, the Tic Tac
• 1:19:36
  footage. And then there's like a dosh
• 1:19:38
  where like a radar tracker that usually tracks like weaponry or
• 1:19:41
  other aircraft. And you see these crafts, you
• 1:19:47
  know, traveling at like Mach 4 speed, and then they enter the
• 1:19:50
  ocean at that kind of speed. Zero splash.
• 1:19:54
  Zero splash and then they pop back back up and it's a it's
• 1:19:59
  called like a trans medium craft because if you were to go from
• 1:20:02
  air to ocean in like Mach 3, Mach 4, it's essentially like
• 1:20:07
  hitting concrete. It doesn't matter how like, you
• 1:20:09
  know, smooth your vehicle is. It doesn't matter how like well
• 1:20:12
  shaped it is. You're hitting, you know what
• 1:20:14
  you're hitting like a different medium at that speed.
• 1:20:17
  And these vehicles can supposedly just enter the ocean
• 1:20:21
  back into the the air at these crazy speeds with and it doesn't
• 1:20:26
  even slow down. Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  So like there's all these, you know, like there is like a lot
• 1:20:30
  of people now leaning towards like the point that you were
• 1:20:33
  making is like, well, what about the ocean, You know, like, are
• 1:20:36
  aliens in the ocean? Are they hiding there?
• 1:20:39
  And you know, like and you know, I suppose.
• 1:20:41
  There's a lot more evidence of monsters, we'll say in the ocean
• 1:20:46
  and there is space journey mean like I guess you've got a lot of
• 1:20:49
  like you have giant squid, you've got like fucking.
• 1:20:52
  I don't I'll say this every episode.
• 1:20:55
  I don't believe that the Megalodon is extinct, but like,
• 1:20:58
  I guess you've got like on top of actually having to figure out
• 1:21:02
  the physics of it, you've also got creatures that can fucking
• 1:21:06
  kill you. So.
• 1:21:07
  Like I, I bring this up all the time when talking about like sea
• 1:21:12
  creatures and how little we know about it up until like 20 years
• 1:21:15
  ago. Like we, you know, scientists
• 1:21:19
  thought that like the Cela camps was extinct for like 60 million
• 1:21:22
  years. And then one just swam up to the
• 1:21:25
  ocean, to the surface of the ocean and guys found it.
• 1:21:27
  And now they found. I mean, we know so little.
• 1:21:29
  Cela Camps. Yeah, we know so little about
• 1:21:32
  it. And I think like, you cannot
• 1:21:34
  fucking tell me that we know like what, 5% of the ocean, 5 to
• 1:21:37
  10 maybe it is nowadays. We've we've discussed this as
• 1:21:42
  well. We're like the with the giant
• 1:21:44
  squid, as you said, Danny, like that.
• 1:21:45
  They were like this fucking giant squid is in this amazing.
• 1:21:49
  And then they found the colossal squid, which is like even
• 1:21:52
  bigger. And they're like, oh, that's
• 1:21:53
  maybe what the Kraken was when people see like years ago would
• 1:21:56
  have seen this thing flow to the top of the, the, the fucking sea
• 1:22:01
  when they're dead or whatever. Yeah, and there are a lot of
• 1:22:03
  creatures that are the fucking as far as you can go that you
• 1:22:07
  will only ever see on the surface when they've died.
• 1:22:10
  And it's like every time someone goes down, like like James
• 1:22:13
  Cameron when he was going down to umm, to, to see the Titanic
• 1:22:18
  and like he discovered a bunch of new species just on the way,
• 1:22:23
  just like, yeah, every time you go down, like it's just.
• 1:22:26
  What a, what a great result because like he was just doing
• 1:22:28
  that as like a that was like his hobby.
• 1:22:31
  Yeah, he was obsessed with Titanic.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah. But he, he also, like,
• 1:22:34
  spearheaded the technology that made it possible to go down that
• 1:22:38
  deep. Yeah.
• 1:22:39
  And it was just that like he's, he's, you know, a rich lunatic.
• 1:22:42
  Yeah, he's a rich lunatic who's just like, I want to go down
• 1:22:45
  there and I want to see if it's still there and I want to film
• 1:22:47
  it and. Well, it's exactly what Danny
• 1:22:49
  would do if she had money, like, oh, absolutely.
• 1:22:51
  The first time I would go. To the Edmund Fitzgerald, that's
• 1:22:54
  the first place. You have to hear the words
• 1:22:55
  Edmund and Fitzgerald. She's like.
• 1:22:59
  Well, I've always been obsessed with it, right?
• 1:23:00
  And I think the coolest, the coolest thing about that is that
• 1:23:03
  it's at the bottom of Lake Superior and you can't get to
• 1:23:05
  it. But it's actually, because it's
• 1:23:06
  been so long now, it's actually classed as a grave, a grave
• 1:23:10
  site, so you can't disturb it. So no one's going to be able to
• 1:23:14
  go down there and like, pull it back up and see what happened.
• 1:23:18
  You're like, take the. Bodies out of it.
• 1:23:20
  Maybe. It's.
• 1:23:22
  Probably one of those like, you know, spots in the earth that
• 1:23:24
  has like a weird electromagnetic signature.
• 1:23:26
  That's why I burst out laughing when you said iron ore.
• 1:23:29
  Because of the iron ore. Because of the iron ore.
• 1:23:33
  I want to go back to a point that was that was made earlier
• 1:23:37
  because like I've, I've been dropping in like pop culture
• 1:23:39
  references to this, like, you know, like with these different
• 1:23:42
  things. And earlier on you did a little
• 1:23:44
  like name drop for for Stranger Things.
• 1:23:46
  And obviously Stranger Things is like heavily influenced by all
• 1:23:52
  of this stuff like the Philadelphia Experiment,
• 1:23:54
  Montauk, the Montauk boys, like MK Ultra, massively, massively.
• 1:24:00
  And so, so spoiler alert for Stranger Things, the stage show.
• 1:24:06
  And so here in London, there is there is a play and it's a
• 1:24:11
  prequel to all of Stranger Things.
• 1:24:13
  It's Canon to the show and it's a prequel.
• 1:24:15
  And the opening scene of the, of the play is the sailors,
• 1:24:21
  military sailors on a boat. And it just kind of wheels out
• 1:24:24
  on stage and it's really quiet. It's really silent.
• 1:24:26
  It's very dark. And there's just a couple of
• 1:24:28
  like backlights, really like stark bright high contrast
• 1:24:31
  lights. And if you know that it's the
• 1:24:36
  Eldridge, you're just like, oh fuck, they're fucking, they're
• 1:24:40
  bringing the Eldridge into this. And something happens.
• 1:24:44
  You hear like this technology gearing up.
• 1:24:47
  And then there is a commotion. There is like an explosion.
• 1:24:51
  And then you see the outline and the shadow of one of the
• 1:24:54
  creatures from Stranger Things enters the boat and attacks the
• 1:24:58
  men. It seems over and then it goes
• 1:25:01
  to like, you know, the, the base where like the, you know, the
• 1:25:04
  evil government agencies where Papa is and you're just like, oh
• 1:25:09
  man, like these guys who write this are like all of all of this
• 1:25:13
  like American conspiracy. They're tying into their show.
• 1:25:16
  But no, I was I had taken an edible when I went to to see the
• 1:25:20
  stage show. So it was like the the whole
• 1:25:24
  time I was like, Oh my God. But like, they tied it in so
• 1:25:28
  well because like the the show just come, you know, it's such a
• 1:25:32
  like nostalgia trip. The show like, you know, it has
• 1:25:35
  like elements of the Goonies, ETV, Back to the Future, like
• 1:25:38
  everything from our childhood. And then they're just like, oh,
• 1:25:41
  and you like conspiracy theories too.
• 1:25:43
  Well, here's like, especially the later seasons.
• 1:25:45
  They're just like, here's MK Ultra, here's Montauk, here's
• 1:25:49
  the Eldridge, you know, like all of these like crazy experiments.
• 1:25:53
  So if you are in London, check out the stage show.
• 1:25:57
  It is, it is. I'm going to put that.
• 1:25:59
  On I'll put that on my list because I've I've got heavily
• 1:26:03
  back into a I've done Stranger things this last couple of weeks
• 1:26:07
  I've been doing a rewatch because yeah, fifth season is
• 1:26:09
  coming out yeah and I was kind of vaguely like.
• 1:26:15
  Do I like Stranger things that much?
• 1:26:17
  And I watched it and. It's.
• 1:26:19
  Great. The nostalgia and how it's put
• 1:26:22
  together is just so good and especially for the likes of me
• 1:26:26
  and I'm sure you're probably the same with the conspiracies and
• 1:26:30
  and the the different kind of like it.
• 1:26:33
  It kind of just tickles 2 parts of my brains, which is like
• 1:26:36
  nostalgia for all of this, kind of a 1980s and the the early 90s
• 1:26:44
  kind of like it's, I won't even say it's, it's pop culture
• 1:26:50
  references. It's the feel of, you know, it
• 1:26:53
  brings you back to that time kind of like you're kind of
• 1:26:55
  sitting in it as well. And eh, But even just like with
• 1:27:00
  the pop culture references, as you, as you were saying, like
• 1:27:02
  all the kind of like season 1 being eh heavily kind of very
• 1:27:07
  Goonies, very like eh, kids adventure.
• 1:27:10
  And then even coming up to like like season 2 became like a
• 1:27:15
  little bit more thrown in the kind of Stephen King and the
• 1:27:18
  horror kind of aspect of it. Yeah, I like Season 2, Season 2
• 1:27:22
  like I love. Season 2 is like a bit of like
• 1:27:24
  Breakfast Club element. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:27
  It gets just that little bit like older, that's like season 3
• 1:27:30
  when they kind of bring in them all they have the shitty mayor.
• 1:27:34
  So good. By Cary Grant from The Princess
• 1:27:39
  Bride. So on there again, they're just
• 1:27:41
  they're kind of bringing in that kind of stuff like the the the
• 1:27:44
  mare shitty mayor is basically he's playing the mare from Jaws.
• 1:27:50
  Yeah. Sam Wise Gangi is in it.
• 1:27:52
  Sam wise Gangi is in it and it's super Bob.
• 1:27:55
  Oh, it's so good. And like season 4 then gets very
• 1:27:59
  oh. It goes crazy.
• 1:28:00
  Eh, eh, Freddy, eh. Very.
• 1:28:03
  Except like if if it was less camp, which I thought was crazy
• 1:28:08
  because what all the comedic elements in a Stranger Things?
• 1:28:12
  The fact that they've made a scarier version of Elm Street is
• 1:28:16
  way like it's. Because you're so Sadie's
• 1:28:20
  brother. What's his name with like the
• 1:28:22
  mullet and the cool car? And he's such a like piece
• 1:28:24
  trash. He's a guy that no, no.
• 1:28:27
  Not Eddie, the guy before that Billy.
• 1:28:29
  Billy, Yeah. So.
• 1:28:31
  Hot. So I was literally about to say
• 1:28:33
  the guy that Danny would be attracted to.
• 1:28:35
  Yes. One of the first scenes with
• 1:28:37
  Billy is like, he's in his bedroom and he's doing like,
• 1:28:40
  bicep curls and smoking at the same time.
• 1:28:42
  Yeah, he is. And, and in that scene, I was
• 1:28:44
  just like this fucking guy. This is my guy.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah, yeah. Fucking love.
• 1:28:49
  One of the one. Of the creepy guy, One of the
• 1:28:51
  bad guys in it did a series on my audio porn.
• 1:28:57
  Of course. So what was his name?
• 1:29:00
  One guy. British.
• 1:29:03
  Really creepy. Is it the guy who played the
• 1:29:06
  like the metal head? No, that's Joe.
• 1:29:11
  Imagine he do porn. He was in the Fantastic Four, I
• 1:29:14
  realized he. Was yes.
• 1:29:16
  Yeah. One of the like, I think one of
• 1:29:18
  the demony guys. Was called Mechner.
• 1:29:22
  Yes, he did. He did the audio.
• 1:29:24
  He did an audio porn series. Yeah, it was.
• 1:29:28
  I didn't listen to it. Andrew.
• 1:29:30
  Andrew. Scott.
• 1:29:31
  Does he did one? He did like a historical Yeah, I
• 1:29:38
  can't. The King's.
• 1:29:38
  Guard, I think they're fucking played to him for doing that.
• 1:29:41
  Like he's great a. One Yeah, he.
• 1:29:44
  Was we had the voice we've me and Danny have discussed that on
• 1:29:47
  fucking not at nauseam. That like if I had the voice for
• 1:29:51
  it and had the following, I'd be definitely trying to catch you.
• 1:29:54
  Do though because. We, we.
• 1:29:55
  So we've talked. About this guy that does it
• 1:29:57
  right and he he's really popular.
• 1:29:59
  He's. The.
• 1:30:00
  Devil of Dublin, right? But he's obviously only.
• 1:30:04
  Popular exactly in all of Ireland.
• 1:30:06
  He's only popular with women who I've probably never heard of.
• 1:30:11
  Proper Irish accent. Generally like walking bag.
• 1:30:14
  Oh yeah. Yeah, and everything is clearly
• 1:30:17
  read from a script and I'm going to take me cock and I'm going to
• 1:30:21
  ram it into. And it's like just really
• 1:30:24
  scripted. Whereas like you have the actual
• 1:30:26
  actors who do it. Like, I don't know if you like,
• 1:30:29
  that's true. You've probably seen that show
• 1:30:30
  everywhere. It's like this summer I turn
• 1:30:32
  pretty. It's like a fucking huge
• 1:30:35
  phenomena. But there's like it's all.
• 1:30:37
  It's huge. It's yeah.
• 1:30:38
  It's like it's running. After I was watching The Boys, I
• 1:30:41
  was like, yeah, you think my algorithm is.
• 1:30:43
  I was fucking just watching. It's just like.
• 1:30:45
  A wrong something but like he he's he's done a series on it I.
• 1:30:50
  Have AI have a head cold right now so I think that my voice
• 1:30:53
  right now. I used to read some like audio
• 1:30:55
  porn. They always want Irish accent.
• 1:30:57
  There's one one guy and Andrew Scott who have Irish accents on
• 1:31:02
  it. I have a Midland accent that
• 1:31:04
  doesn't work. I have AI believe I have a leash
• 1:31:08
  accent and like people in London are like I love your accent and
• 1:31:11
  I'm like where I'm from. Well my accent is like a
• 1:31:14
  combination of leash and Waterford and I'm just like not.
• 1:31:18
  Neither of those accents are good.
• 1:31:19
  Oh, they're going to say it's you're, you're not heavily on
• 1:31:22
  the leash because like, no, more like me if you were.
• 1:31:25
  It's the ten years living in Waterford that that didn't like.
• 1:31:29
  I get told that like guys like my accent, but I'm like it.
• 1:31:33
  It doesn't sound Irish anymore to me.
• 1:31:35
  Like doesn't sound super Irish. You're from fucking Dublin
• 1:31:38
  anyway. I'm from Wexford.
• 1:31:41
  You've you've that vague fucking it's like.
• 1:31:44
  A Canadian accent. It's like a twitch.
• 1:31:46
  Brave accent. Oh Jesus Christ, I didn't know
• 1:31:49
  Canadian accents were fucking yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Newfoundland actually transmitted, Yeah.
• 1:31:53
  Newfoundland accent Newfoundland accent is just Waterford.
• 1:31:56
  Very Irish. It's just Waterford.
• 1:31:59
  Yeah, it is. It is.
• 1:32:00
  Like I. Wish I going to go last year who
• 1:32:03
  was from there and he just he called me like he used to call
• 1:32:06
  Ferguson by so I'm like I. Want to be like?
• 1:32:10
  Well, bye. Bye.
• 1:32:12
  Yeah. Literally.
• 1:32:13
  Like it's so they're so Irish, but that's apparently where all
• 1:32:16
  of like the Irish people like settled over there is on that
• 1:32:18
  side of the country when they all moved over.
• 1:32:20
  So the accent is kind of like. Just stuck.
• 1:32:23
  What they're like, they're So I like you.
• 1:32:25
  Have you what? You've watched Letterkenny,
• 1:32:27
  right? And like Shorty.
• 1:32:29
  Yeah, that's that accent that just sticks.
• 1:32:32
  Actually to go back to to go back to recommending another
• 1:32:35
  stage show here in London and being very bougie with my
• 1:32:38
  theatre recommendations. There is a there's a a musical
• 1:32:43
  called Come From Away and it is it's about 9:11 and it's about
• 1:32:49
  when the planes comedy. They're they're funny.
• 1:32:53
  Elements and so when the planes get obviously all the all the
• 1:32:57
  other planes in America get like diverted to be grounded.
• 1:33:01
  They're sad. They're like.
• 1:33:02
  And there is a small town in Newfoundland where a bunch of
• 1:33:07
  planes that you would usually usually get like four or five
• 1:33:10
  planes a day. They got 3000 people land there
• 1:33:14
  one day because, like, just all the air traffic controllers were
• 1:33:17
  just landing planes to the nearest airfield or airport that
• 1:33:20
  they were in. And so this town of about 300
• 1:33:22
  people ended up with 3000 people.
• 1:33:25
  And so they made a musical about how the locals took all these
• 1:33:29
  people in, took care of them, helped them, like, communicate
• 1:33:32
  with their families and just had all these little, like, you
• 1:33:34
  know, very nice and sweet interactions with each other.
• 1:33:37
  This would never Luffy's, would never like the guy I was
• 1:33:41
  dragging with. Apparently they did.
• 1:33:44
  Don't. Just just because you knew one
• 1:33:46
  guy from the Dick to the waist doesn't mean you know all I
• 1:33:49
  knew. Two newbies from the Dick to the
• 1:33:51
  waist and they were both trash. Very tall though, so it's fine.
• 1:33:56
  Again with the tall like, you know, she just, she goes for
• 1:33:58
  tall people with no teeth and who can't believe.
• 1:34:01
  Both of them, to be fair, we're missing their front teeth.
• 1:34:04
  So yeah, that's. That's what I mean, Justy.
• 1:34:06
  Like, you know, this is what we're dealing with.
• 1:34:08
  I, I, I look, I this is every fucking week that she has to
• 1:34:13
  mention some fucking long Canadian with Norfolk and teeth.
• 1:34:16
  Although she has gone South of the border now, she's gone.
• 1:34:20
  Some yank. He's a Mexican.
• 1:34:22
  Oh. He's really OK.
• 1:34:23
  That's an improvement from America it.
• 1:34:25
  Is yeah. And then outside of Home Depot.
• 1:34:27
  Tell after the Americans. Yeah, now to get back on track.
• 1:34:32
  Yes, and there is a story on the BBC this week about a woman when
• 1:34:37
  she was a child, she was experimented on and she claims
• 1:34:42
  that it was MK Ultra and she is trying to sue the US government
• 1:34:46
  for like, you know, the trauma that she went through as a child
• 1:34:50
  into her adult life. So like the MK Ultra stuff like
• 1:34:53
  happened in like, you know, the like 50s and 60s and 70s.
• 1:34:57
  But there are still she must be in her 60s because I think she
• 1:35:02
  was saying that she was like 6 years old or like maybe like a
• 1:35:05
  young teenager. Let me see if I can find because
• 1:35:08
  I thought I had looked this up earlier but.
• 1:35:11
  That's a fucking interesting one that people are still kind of.
• 1:35:13
  It's it's still something that like, you know, people are
• 1:35:16
  claiming is. Is like.
• 1:35:18
  Affecting them? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:19
  Like. And it is.
• 1:35:20
  Crazy like you, you see, like so many people are like they've
• 1:35:24
  come from all like, I mean, I one of my kind of favorite weird
• 1:35:27
  little genres on TikTok is people who used to be in cults.
• 1:35:32
  I know they're so common all over the US, like even.
• 1:35:37
  Yeah, that's exactly it. Like women in their like their
• 1:35:39
  20s and been like I escaped A cult when I was 16.
• 1:35:42
  And do you mean like the fact that it's still going on?
• 1:35:44
  Like I I mentioned in the last episode, it's the last episode
• 1:35:47
  just here I was telling you about the schools like the IT
• 1:35:52
  was, I think. Who knows Danny?
• 1:35:55
  So anyway, like just these kind of like schools where they send
• 1:35:59
  you to get right basically. Oh yeah, we were discussing that
• 1:36:02
  thing. What's her name?
• 1:36:03
  Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton, Yeah, so.
• 1:36:06
  She seems like sent to the Kennedy episode.
• 1:36:09
  Yeah, the Kennedy episode and basically they're so fucking
• 1:36:12
  common, like to this day that people are just literally like
• 1:36:15
  escaping abuse, like they're breaking out.
• 1:36:18
  They're like running cross country away from everybody and
• 1:36:20
  then like they're going to the police about it, but there's
• 1:36:24
  nothing to be done because it's like, well, they're just trying
• 1:36:26
  to help you. And it's like, I was, I brought
• 1:36:28
  it up. If you haven't seen it, anyone
• 1:36:31
  who's listening, you should watch it.
• 1:36:32
  It's really, really good. Wayward on Netflix with Toni
• 1:36:37
  Collette. Now Toni Collette is she's
• 1:36:39
  fucking incredible. I love her so much.
• 1:36:42
  I hate that she's allegedly a cunt, but whatever.
• 1:36:45
  She's brilliant in it and it's all baser and she's like the
• 1:36:48
  principal of one of these schools and it's amazing.
• 1:36:53
  Just absolutely watch that. But yeah, like, and that kind of
• 1:36:56
  dips into as well. Like the whole hopes are still
• 1:37:00
  all over America. They're really, really common.
• 1:37:03
  I'm like, you can't kind of do anything about it.
• 1:37:05
  Like even if there is abuse and stuff, because that's like in
• 1:37:09
  the Constitution, it's like you have your right to worship.
• 1:37:12
  And stuff America, like America is a country and other people
• 1:37:16
  are, it feels like they're set up to, to be in cults because
• 1:37:21
  like the founding of America was a bunch of Puritans, which was a
• 1:37:25
  cult in itself. And they always, they always
• 1:37:28
  have this line of puritanism that like weaves through their
• 1:37:32
  society and manifest itself in different ways.
• 1:37:35
  So like you can trace the line from the Puritans to the Salem
• 1:37:38
  witch trials to McCarthyism to like, you know, like the
• 1:37:44
  Westboro Baptist Church to to Trump ISM like, you know, like
• 1:37:49
  because if you look at Trump, his cult and it is.
• 1:37:52
  Very much a cult. He has all of these religious
• 1:37:54
  connotations in it, and like a classic cult, the people at the
• 1:37:57
  very top are living this like decadent life where you know
• 1:38:01
  they're banging. Non religious life.
• 1:38:03
  They're all like drugged to the gills, but they have all these
• 1:38:07
  religious people who, like, live these Puritan lives and use it
• 1:38:11
  to, you know, control other people around them and to be
• 1:38:13
  like, bigot. And they are saying it's like,
• 1:38:17
  oh, no, we're the righteous, we're clean, we're pure, you
• 1:38:19
  know, like all this kind of stuff.
• 1:38:21
  And the cult is actually all of the, like, most insane people in
• 1:38:26
  the country. And it's all of the people who
• 1:38:27
  are into like, the, you know, the weirdest thing sexually,
• 1:38:32
  the, you know, the, the things actually that like are perfectly
• 1:38:35
  normal, but they rail against. So like, that's why, like, you
• 1:38:38
  know, at Republican conventions, you will always see these
• 1:38:40
  reports of. Like the grinder?
• 1:38:42
  Grinder have a meltdown. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:44
  And it's things that they say are wrong and against God and
• 1:38:48
  against their religion, but they are actually like they're the
• 1:38:51
  ones in the middle. That's their proclivity.
• 1:38:53
  That's. It, you know, that's their,
• 1:38:54
  that's how they get their kicks. That's how they live their
• 1:38:56
  lives. And, and the, and the Nazis did
• 1:38:59
  that too, you know, like the Nazis were, they were very
• 1:39:02
  puritan and like one of the, one of the top Nazis was a very out
• 1:39:06
  gay man who fell out, eventually fell out of favor with Hitler
• 1:39:09
  because he was no longer, he was no longer useful.
• 1:39:12
  And then Hitler used his, his homosexuality as a way to like
• 1:39:15
  take him down because he was like, OK, you know, I've used
• 1:39:19
  you because the Nazis used to wheel them out and be like, oh,
• 1:39:21
  we're not against the guys. Like, look at this guy.
• 1:39:22
  We have him. And then again.
• 1:39:25
  That that's exactly what they did.
• 1:39:27
  And the, you know, the Trump world does that like, you know,
• 1:39:29
  the likes of, you know, the, the very broad spectrum of the Trump
• 1:39:33
  world, the likes of like, you know, Milo and, you know, like
• 1:39:35
  all these like conservative gays.
• 1:39:38
  It's it's always even. Like conservative blacks, like
• 1:39:41
  they'll, they'll, they'll lean into.
• 1:39:43
  That's wild to me. That is like Candace owns.
• 1:39:46
  Candace owns the perfect example of it.
• 1:39:48
  It's someone who always argues against what is perceived to be
• 1:39:52
  like her traditional interests and her societal interests, but.
• 1:39:55
  I think she has. She's gone off the rails as the
• 1:39:57
  contrary is now. Oh.
• 1:39:58
  She's just say anti everything, yeah.
• 1:40:00
  She's got an anti mag and now which is fucking weird, yeah.
• 1:40:03
  But since I think since Kirk passed away, I think she's been
• 1:40:06
  like, I think she's either waking up to a lot of stuff or
• 1:40:12
  just going further down a fucking rabbit.
• 1:40:15
  Hole Well, look at look at Marjorie Taylor Green like
• 1:40:17
  Marjorie Taylor Green is a perfect example of someone who
• 1:40:20
  was like full blooded like frothing at the mouth a
• 1:40:25
  representative of the cult and it seems like the wind might be
• 1:40:29
  turning so she's kind of going 0 if I.
• 1:40:32
  Grifters. Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  They are. So she she's like, you know,
• 1:40:35
  she's gotten, you know, a finger up.
• 1:40:37
  Which way is the wind going? And it's like, OK, there's a bit
• 1:40:39
  of a turn here. I can position myself to ensure
• 1:40:43
  my position in the future. And that's what like all these
• 1:40:46
  grifters are doing. Like it is a country of
• 1:40:49
  grifters. You know, like you look at.
• 1:40:50
  All now even even the president is a grifter like the.
• 1:40:54
  Trump shoes? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:40:56
  A lot of these. Sycophants that he has like when
• 1:41:00
  it comes even like the the guys, the fucking DOJ, like the Patel
• 1:41:06
  cash. And the FBI.
• 1:41:08
  Yeah, Patel cash is the fucking one that you have to like did
• 1:41:12
  this when when you're looking at him and he was the the Epstein
• 1:41:16
  files guy minute the minute they figured out that fucking Trump
• 1:41:21
  was talking. They can those files then.
• 1:41:24
  All of a sudden it's a it's a hoax.
• 1:41:25
  It's a hoax. It's a hoax, yeah, and it's a.
• 1:41:28
  Huge. Thing as well that's been that's
• 1:41:29
  come out kind of recently is that it's someone else came out.
• 1:41:34
  She was apparently like a she was a high class prostitute for
• 1:41:39
  politicians and athletes, but no one's going to believe her
• 1:41:43
  because of her past. But she had come out and been
• 1:41:45
  like these men don't give a fuck that you're accusing them of
• 1:41:49
  being like paedophiles because they do so much fucking worse.
• 1:41:54
  It's like the paedophilia is the tip of the fucking iceberg that
• 1:41:57
  they're like, yeah, we won't let you know about all of the other
• 1:42:00
  fucked up, horrible, disgusting things that we do on the daily
• 1:42:03
  because paedophilia is probably something that we can easily
• 1:42:06
  either a cover up the deny because there's been no proof.
• 1:42:11
  Well. Can I try and steer this ship
• 1:42:13
  back to Montauk? Sorry.
• 1:42:15
  Yeah, go ahead. No, no, no, no.
• 1:42:17
  I just think it was, I think this is just the opportunity to
• 1:42:20
  come back there. So when we talk about Montauk
• 1:42:22
  and the Montauk boys and these missing children, eh, there is
• 1:42:27
  the also the idea of the what's the name of the fucking thing,
• 1:42:33
  eh? And adreno cream.
• 1:42:35
  What's the fucking adreno Chrome?
• 1:42:37
  Yeah, Adreno Chrome with the with the kids like.
• 1:42:39
  So there's also this pseudo cream and it was just something
• 1:42:44
  you put on your dicky knee. There's children's.
• 1:42:47
  Cure fucking anything. Let's let's not look, that's
• 1:42:50
  another conspiracy. We could do a whole episode on
• 1:42:52
  Watsudo cream contour. Yeah, possibly, but and during
• 1:42:59
  the prom is an actual thing. This is this is the thing.
• 1:43:05
  This is what Monsters Inc is based on.
• 1:43:06
  That's the conspiracy I'm going to go with.
• 1:43:08
  And so the the more fear the child has, the more of this
• 1:43:14
  adrenochrome stuff that the the the child will fucking create in
• 1:43:19
  their system. And then that takes the.
• 1:43:20
  Screens. And that's exactly they're
• 1:43:22
  collecting the screens. Monsters Inc is basically a home
• 1:43:27
  that was that was outing the the whole scandal with the the and
• 1:43:31
  Drina Chrome stuff from the, the, the kids.
• 1:43:34
  And but like, that's what I also was hearing like from these
• 1:43:38
  other conspiracies about Montauk and stuff like that was like as
• 1:43:41
  they were taking these kids and they were doing experiments on
• 1:43:43
  their minds and they were putting subjecting them through
• 1:43:46
  these kind of stressful experiments of the mind that
• 1:43:52
  maybe this was the whole start of them extracting this fucking
• 1:43:57
  element that apparently all these elites are using to
• 1:44:01
  sustain life or to, I don't know what the fuck they're using,
• 1:44:05
  affordable. It's that Simpsons mean of, you
• 1:44:09
  know, the the media talking about Homer, it's like he
• 1:44:12
  believes it gives him sexual power.
• 1:44:14
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, showing.
• 1:44:16
  His own juices, I believe. I'm sorry, but it's like again,
• 1:44:19
  like the same thing that we can go back to a lot of like the the
• 1:44:25
  cold kind of things and like, oh, they're sacrificing people.
• 1:44:27
  They're they're praying to demons, they're doing XY and Z
• 1:44:30
  to get what they want and all this stuff.
• 1:44:32
  Like they're definitely doing something not of the fucking
• 1:44:37
  norm that any fuck like you or I have probably no fucking idea on
• 1:44:43
  how it works or how to obtain it or how to go.
• 1:44:47
  They denied that MK Ultra existed and then eventually,
• 1:44:50
  like in, in the 90s, Oh no, in the 90s, they, they admitted
• 1:44:53
  that it was a real thing. And they admitted that they were
• 1:44:56
  doing things where they were trying to create mind control.
• 1:44:58
  They were trying to give people mental powers.
• 1:45:00
  They were trying to see if telekinesis was a real thing.
• 1:45:03
  And they, you know, because like lots of people came out and
• 1:45:06
  talked about their experience, like Charles Manson was part of
• 1:45:09
  MK Ultra. And, and there's, you know,
• 1:45:12
  like, you know, there's there's an episode in Charles Manson
• 1:45:15
  that you that you guys can do. And Lee Harvey Oswald has
• 1:45:18
  connections to it. And he has connections to
• 1:45:20
  Russia. Like he was supposedly, you
• 1:45:23
  know, a Russian, not necessarily sleeper agent, but maybe a
• 1:45:26
  double agent. Yeah.
• 1:45:27
  But he has connections to MK Ultra as well, which, you know,
• 1:45:30
  brings you back into Kennedy, which you mentioned earlier.
• 1:45:32
  And again, it's just all of these things.
• 1:45:34
  Like it's it's that crazy wall in your house with red threads
• 1:45:38
  connected between absolutely everything.
• 1:45:40
  There was another, another thing, it's kind of bringing it
• 1:45:45
  off topic, but it also isn't, there was some, so some agents
• 1:45:50
  that were working for, I don't know what part, like what
• 1:45:52
  project they were part of. I think it was during the Cold
• 1:45:54
  War. You, you guys can probably
• 1:45:55
  correct me on this, but they were torturing their own agents
• 1:46:00
  essentially in their everyday lives.
• 1:46:02
  So like we mentioned earlier, like the home, it was just a
• 1:46:06
  constant buzzing like like like a cicada in their apartment, but
• 1:46:10
  not a cicada. And it was.
• 1:46:13
  Constant that only they could hear it and like it was just
• 1:46:16
  like just tiny little psychological tests.
• 1:46:20
  I guess you could, you could say that you were they were putting
• 1:46:22
  these agents through. And what?
• 1:46:26
  Was the angle for that one. I don't actually know but I
• 1:46:29
  can't remember what it was so I'm asking if you guys knew but
• 1:46:32
  it was like. A lot of the time.
• 1:46:34
  They were just trying to see how far they could push someone
• 1:46:37
  before they would break or or the idea that if they broke
• 1:46:41
  somebody, they could then rebuild them and mold them into
• 1:46:45
  something they wanted. So the woman who is trying to
• 1:46:48
  sue the American governments just this weekend with the story
• 1:46:50
  on the BBC, part of her story is that there was a recording of a
• 1:46:55
  couple of phrases that were played to her over and over and
• 1:46:58
  over, like hundreds of times, thousands of times.
• 1:47:01
  And the idea was to just break her and to see if she breaks
• 1:47:06
  what they can then do. And that is what they were
• 1:47:09
  trying to do with like, you know, the this idea of the
• 1:47:11
  Manchurian candidates of mind control and.
• 1:47:15
  The Winter Soldier. The Winter Soldier is the
• 1:47:17
  perfect example of it. He has a series of words that
• 1:47:20
  activates him and the combination of words sends him
• 1:47:23
  towards his target and then he will do the bidding of his
• 1:47:26
  masters. So like that is like the
• 1:47:28
  absolute perfect example of that and that is.
• 1:47:31
  Give me. You're just, you know, like,
• 1:47:35
  first it's Canadian guys, that's the Mexican guy.
• 1:47:38
  And you know Sebastian Stan, you know your audio porn.
• 1:47:41
  He's fucking gorgeous. He is a beautiful man there.
• 1:47:45
  You go then, yeah. And he was Tommy Lee.
• 1:47:48
  In that in that biovic. And he was.
• 1:47:51
  Only attractive when he has a bit of hair on him when he has
• 1:47:55
  shot, but yeah, when he has five vibrators at the end of the
• 1:47:59
  fucking steel arm. But when?
• 1:48:02
  Yeah, I think like when he has short hair, he just kind of
• 1:48:05
  looks like any guy. He kind of looks like Pepe and a
• 1:48:07
  frog from that meme. No.
• 1:48:10
  Do you know who's like the hotter frog man that I love
• 1:48:13
  forever is Bill Skiers Guard? Bill Skiers Guard is the number
• 1:48:15
  one frog for me. Because.
• 1:48:17
  We're not getting into talking about fucking scars guards
• 1:48:20
  again. Every episode we look, we love
• 1:48:22
  this guy and there's always a new brother.
• 1:48:24
  There's they always just drop a new brother.
• 1:48:26
  Into the mix. I'm a fan of Stellan.
• 1:48:28
  I think Stellan. 'S I love Shannon, Yeah, like in
• 1:48:31
  Chernobyl. You watched that?
• 1:48:33
  Phenomenal. He was.
• 1:48:34
  Incredible. I have been to Chernobyl.
• 1:48:36
  Like fucking Chernobyl rules. That's I know that's that's
• 1:48:40
  something that I'm really interested in is.
• 1:48:46
  OK, the the next hour is going to be you explaining what you
• 1:48:50
  saw. I'm OK with that.
• 1:48:52
  Go ahead. So back in like 2019, we, so
• 1:48:59
  it's like me and my wife, we have this series of like
• 1:49:02
  obsessions. One of them is like the JFK
• 1:49:05
  assassination, one of them is Chernobyl.
• 1:49:08
  So she read, she read some books about and you know, like being
• 1:49:11
  and being Irish of our age. We all remember the sick kids
• 1:49:14
  from Chernobyl who came to Ireland in the 90s.
• 1:49:17
  It was headed up by AD Roach. And we know all about Chernobyl.
• 1:49:21
  So read some books about watch the TV show, which is like 10
• 1:49:25
  out of 10. Fucking good.
• 1:49:27
  Incredible. And have you watched Justy?
• 1:49:28
  Sorry, just to go for a SEC. Just asking.
• 1:49:30
  Yeah, yeah. You have?
• 1:49:31
  Yeah, sorry. So we just said like I think we
• 1:49:35
  just saw online that you can go there.
• 1:49:36
  So we just like Googled it and it's like, oh, we can go to like
• 1:49:39
  Kiev and then we can do like this bus tour that goes out
• 1:49:42
  there and goes through all the different checkpoints.
• 1:49:43
  And there's two versions of it. And one version you can go into
• 1:49:48
  the like the, the building itself.
• 1:49:50
  And one you just kind of do the tour of like Pripyat and the
• 1:49:53
  surrounding area. And then you go up to the
• 1:49:55
  sarcophagus. And we just didn't want to go up
• 1:49:57
  to the sarcophagus, but we, like, did a tour of Privias.
• 1:50:01
  So we saw like, all of like, the hospitals, the schools, the
• 1:50:04
  apartment buildings, the fairground and, you know, yeah,
• 1:50:10
  Yeah. And there is a radio antenna
• 1:50:13
  there that is like 300 meters long, 100 meters high.
• 1:50:16
  And it is pointed at America. And it was built and opened like
• 1:50:21
  a month before the Chernobyl meltdown happened.
• 1:50:24
  And it has. Oh, it's fucking, it's gold.
• 1:50:27
  It's gold. Back on for the Chernobyl
• 1:50:30
  episode on. Its, I'd love to come on for
• 1:50:32
  yeah, I'd love to come on and talk about Chernobyl.
• 1:50:34
  But like, we were there and we, we did like all the different
• 1:50:37
  exclusion zones and like, you know, the show, they, they kill
• 1:50:40
  all the dogs. Well, they didn't kill all the
• 1:50:42
  dogs like you because there's a ton of dogs there and at one
• 1:50:45
  stage I nearly missed the bus to go to like.
• 1:50:48
  Petting radioactive dogs. Because I was petting
• 1:50:51
  radioactive dogs. These dogs have all mutated now.
• 1:50:54
  Yeah, there's. Like 6 irises, yeah yeah.
• 1:50:57
  No, no, but they get their DNA as as active.
• 1:51:00
  The five asked Monkey. Blinky the fish.
• 1:51:07
  Well, but genuinely like didn't they do umm, they done some
• 1:51:11
  experiments on like the, the fauna that has survived in
• 1:51:15
  Chernobyl since and like obviously they.
• 1:51:17
  People in villages there as well isn't.
• 1:51:19
  There that there's people, there's people who refuse to
• 1:51:21
  leave and and they are still alive and there's people who
• 1:51:26
  will go and like stay in previous they'll break in and
• 1:51:30
  like the the local military like are constantly chasing people
• 1:51:32
  out there. There's like Youtubers who go on
• 1:51:34
  there and they like, yeah, you know, go like urban explosives.
• 1:51:38
  I've. Seen all like dark tourists.
• 1:51:39
  There's people that will charge you thousands to.
• 1:51:42
  Take you in. So do you remember, do you
• 1:51:44
  remember in the show when the firefighters who are first
• 1:51:48
  exposed to like the full blasted radiation?
• 1:51:50
  All melt melty base guys. Yes, and when they first come to
• 1:51:54
  the hospital, they like the nurses and the doctors like
• 1:51:56
  undress them and they just throw their clothes into a room.
• 1:52:00
  That is exactly what happened. And that room is in the basement
• 1:52:03
  of the hospital and all of those clothes are still there and are
• 1:52:06
  some of the most radioactive materials in the world.
• 1:52:08
  A couple, a couple of years before our visit, some clown
• 1:52:13
  broke in, got a glove and he brought it up into the reception
• 1:52:17
  area of the, the hot the hospital.
• 1:52:20
  And he put it on the table, which is like 20, not not even
• 1:52:24
  20 meters, like, you know, 10 meters from the front door and
• 1:52:27
  everything is like smashed. So you can just see it.
• 1:52:29
  So our tour guide like from a distance was like, do you see
• 1:52:31
  that glove on the, the reception desk?
• 1:52:34
  And like told us like all about. And he's just like, yeah, this
• 1:52:37
  is as far as we we go when it comes to to stuff like that
• 1:52:40
  because that because. Of that glove.
• 1:52:42
  Is insanely radioactive. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:44
  Just because of that one piece of clothing.
• 1:52:47
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, if you were if
• 1:52:49
  you're exposed to that for an extended period of time, like
• 1:52:51
  you will get some kind of, you know, light radiation poisoning
• 1:52:55
  And what did you guys? Have to wear.
• 1:52:56
  Oh, I'm sorry. We just wore like regular
• 1:52:58
  clothes, but we had like a radiation sensor around our
• 1:53:01
  necks and if it. Like the cookie?
• 1:53:03
  Thing. No, no, no.
• 1:53:05
  Our tour guide had the Geiger counter and would kind of
• 1:53:08
  demonstrate different things to us, but this one would just like
• 1:53:11
  it was a readout of like what radiation we were absorbing and
• 1:53:14
  if it reached a certain point, then we all had to leave.
• 1:53:17
  We didn't reach that point. The tour was very safe.
• 1:53:19
  They were very capable. We like left without having to
• 1:53:22
  be like washed down or anything like that.
• 1:53:24
  It was super safe. And did you get to go see like
• 1:53:27
  the reactor or was that a separate?
• 1:53:28
  Tour we so like you can you can do another tour where you go
• 1:53:32
  into the reactor and like the the elephant elephants photo, as
• 1:53:36
  they call it is like still there.
• 1:53:38
  It's still reacting, but that's what I'm.
• 1:53:41
  Saying like how? Come they've.
• 1:53:42
  Stopped. Near the glove what you can go
• 1:53:44
  to the fucking reactor. Because you see, it's.
• 1:53:47
  Different here in the in the reactor, you can go to the
• 1:53:49
  control room, but you don't go to like the elephant's foot.
• 1:53:52
  The elephant's foot is in like a different parts of the building.
• 1:53:55
  Can you see? It from where you go, no.
• 1:53:57
  No, no, because they they haven't like, you know, lead
• 1:54:00
  fucking lined. And then like the the
• 1:54:01
  sarcophagus is this like absolutely incredible steel
• 1:54:05
  reinforced concrete structure. Yeah, that they are eventually
• 1:54:08
  going to have to replace in like 10 or 15 years.
• 1:54:10
  Because it's just that. It's oh, it's, it's breaking
• 1:54:13
  down like, you know, it's, it's not I.
• 1:54:15
  Suppose chewing true it it's something.
• 1:54:18
  Like that, like it's, it's fucking nuts.
• 1:54:20
  And I, I would have discussed this when we were talking about
• 1:54:25
  what were you talking about, Danny, when I, eh, was going
• 1:54:29
  through the fact that the Americans dropped the bombs over
• 1:54:35
  a Hiroshima and Nagasaki, But they, they made sure that.
• 1:54:39
  Probably. No, I don't think it was because
• 1:54:42
  it was. I forget what it was, but it was
• 1:54:45
  the we were discussing how they like made that explode in the
• 1:54:48
  air. Because if, if, if the bombs
• 1:54:52
  themselves hit the Earth and they would send like molten
• 1:54:58
  radiated Earth into the atmosphere, into the air and
• 1:55:02
  into the atmosphere. So the idea was that they left.
• 1:55:06
  They made sure that the explosion happened because they
• 1:55:11
  didn't want to like destroy Japan.
• 1:55:13
  They wanted to kind of teach these guys a lesson.
• 1:55:16
  So the explosion that happens, the nuclear explosion happens in
• 1:55:20
  the air. So by the time the explosion
• 1:55:23
  happens in the air and pushes the air towards and pushes like,
• 1:55:29
  so again, all the radiation kind of disperses.
• 1:55:33
  Now, there's a reason why I'm saying this, eh?
• 1:55:35
  So like all the radiation kind of disperses and it goes into
• 1:55:39
  the air and it kind of dilutes with the air and stuff like
• 1:55:41
  that. But what obviously happens with
• 1:55:43
  Chernobyl and Sure Ocean, you'll be able to fucking explain this
• 1:55:46
  a little, probably better than me.
• 1:55:47
  But the fact that that meltdown, it wasn't exactly an explosion
• 1:55:52
  like we would see with the bombs, but this meltdown
• 1:55:56
  happened. It did hit the earth and destroy
• 1:55:59
  the Earth and then it like obviously the wind is carrying
• 1:56:03
  it and that's that stuff is very is is kind of terrible as well.
• 1:56:07
  But the fact that the radiation actually got into the earth and
• 1:56:13
  then that was picked up by the wind and picked up by whatever,
• 1:56:17
  and that was spread across the countryside and fucking Belarus.
• 1:56:21
  So it was the rest of Europe. So the reactor exploded because
• 1:56:25
  there was this like, you know, just series of mistakes and
• 1:56:29
  series of things that they had overlooked.
• 1:56:31
  And the reactor exploded and the building was torn, torn open.
• 1:56:35
  And then there was an uncontrolled reaction within us
• 1:56:39
  and it was just spewing out radiation.
• 1:56:41
  And that's why like all of the first responders got like this,
• 1:56:43
  like just heroic dose of, of radiation, but the radiation
• 1:56:49
  also gets carried by the wind. So, and the show Chernobyl picks
• 1:56:53
  this up that like the first place to like discover this
• 1:56:56
  radiation was like an, you know, like an outpost in like Sweden.
• 1:57:00
  So it had gone across Europe, it had blown in the wind.
• 1:57:03
  And so the in Sweden, they were like, where are these like,
• 1:57:05
  where's this radiation coming from?
• 1:57:07
  And they were able to like trace it back.
• 1:57:08
  And they're like, fuck, it's coming from the Soviets and
• 1:57:10
  they're never going to talk about it.
• 1:57:12
  So they had to like, just contact me, like, hey, look, we
• 1:57:14
  want to help. And the Soviets were like,
• 1:57:15
  nothing happened. Nothing happened.
• 1:57:17
  We're fine. Great.
• 1:57:19
  No monorail, and there never were.
• 1:57:21
  Our reactors are the best. Nothing happened.
• 1:57:23
  And then it just, you know, more and more radiation came out.
• 1:57:26
  Stories were eventually leaked out because like the Soviets,
• 1:57:29
  like, you know, stories would leak out like a sieve and
• 1:57:31
  eventually like. They're all like, did I just get
• 1:57:34
  tablets for that at the? Time we did iodine.
• 1:57:37
  Tablets. Iodine tablets, yeah.
• 1:57:38
  I I. Remember.
• 1:57:41
  Like Irish people hold on to everything now.
• 1:57:43
  I was too young to remember when we got them, but I remember my
• 1:57:46
  mom throwing them out years later.
• 1:57:48
  So Chernobyl was in 1986, but we also got, I remember iodine
• 1:57:53
  tablets. We also got iodine tablets
• 1:57:55
  because seller field had a like a bit of an incident of.
• 1:57:59
  The 90s then. That was in the 90s, yeah.
• 1:58:02
  Yeah, because I remember my mom's.
• 1:58:04
  Program. Cyanide tablets for something?
• 1:58:07
  The leader should do an episode on Chernobyl for sure and I
• 1:58:11
  know. Your mom was throwing out
• 1:58:13
  cyanide tablets down here. She.
• 1:58:15
  Kept. Them like in the fucking in the
• 1:58:18
  in the cupboard above the sink in case we ever needed cyanide
• 1:58:21
  tablets. She.
• 1:58:22
  Kept those tablets. Yeah, she did, in case we ever
• 1:58:27
  needed them, right. And she and she, she kept them
• 1:58:29
  above the sink in the cupboard. And I remember she was going
• 1:58:33
  through everything. And I was doing, how are you
• 1:58:35
  doing tablets? Whoever I don't know.
• 1:58:38
  I don't. Know it.
• 1:58:39
  Was in case. Whatever, I don't know the
• 1:58:42
  difference but. These.
• 1:58:43
  Were like. Fucking scary tablets for
• 1:58:45
  something I don't know, I don't know words, but she, she kept
• 1:58:49
  them for ages. Your mother had a fucking
• 1:58:52
  cyanide tablets just in case the Soviets were breaching from the
• 1:58:56
  east and the fucking Allies were breaching from the West.
• 1:58:58
  But. She was going to shoot a dog and
• 1:59:00
  give you the fucking. Isn't that what?
• 1:59:02
  The movie Red Red Dawn is about the Soviets invading America
• 1:59:06
  like a land invasion. She had the iodine tablets.
• 1:59:11
  That's what I that's what I mean.
• 1:59:12
  But yeah, I remember her having those and then like throwing
• 1:59:14
  them out. I got the word wrong just to
• 1:59:17
  shut up. And she, she.
• 1:59:22
  I know, I know. But she she kept.
• 1:59:24
  Them for the longest. Time.
• 1:59:26
  And I was like, surely? They're no good now if you've
• 1:59:29
  had them for 10 years, like I don't think.
• 1:59:31
  They do. I remember those like we were
• 1:59:33
  told to keep them like until we needed them and they came in an
• 1:59:36
  orange box. Yes.
• 1:59:38
  And they had black and green writing on them.
• 1:59:40
  Like I remember, because I remember when I got those.
• 1:59:42
  Like when we got those, I remember looking at them going,
• 1:59:44
  oh fuck, we're all going to fucking die.
• 1:59:47
  As. Well, yeah, why were they giving
• 1:59:48
  us? Radiation when we had the
• 1:59:50
  fucking mats that we had to wipe our feet on with all the
• 1:59:53
  disinfectant. Do you remember that?
• 1:59:55
  That's crazy. I went to AI, went to a
• 1:59:57
  secondary school in the countryside.
• 1:59:58
  Of course I remember. That yes, Danny, we're from
• 2:00:01
  fucking places where where the feet and the mouth exists, but
• 2:00:05
  that's I come from where sheep fucking live.
• 2:00:08
  I always forget you guys are older than me.
• 2:00:10
  That's that's fine. You guys have better memory than
• 2:00:12
  me. Five years and still country.
• 2:00:15
  Oh. Yeah, Westfield, very.
• 2:00:17
  Country. Yeah.
• 2:00:19
  Dublin. Abandoned Wexford very early and
• 2:00:22
  also. I was 17.
• 2:00:24
  I spent 17 years in Waxford and then I moved.
• 2:00:27
  And then you to. Dublin and.
• 2:00:28
  Then to New York and then to Cardiff.
• 2:00:32
  Went to Montauk where you were the local experiment for an
• 2:00:36
  awful summer. The Montauk monster.
• 2:00:39
  She was the Montauk monster. I wasn't monster, it was me.
• 2:00:43
  The stories. Of the Montauk Monster only came
• 2:00:46
  out in like 2008. So I think there's a very clear
• 2:00:49
  line between Danny and the Montauk Monster.
• 2:00:52
  I was, I was literally got my first job there in 2009.
• 2:00:56
  So I. Roamed the woods.
• 2:00:57
  For a while. That.
• 2:00:59
  Was just like man that Montauk monster sounds like it's from
• 2:01:02
  Newfoundland. Jesus.
• 2:01:03
  Christ. She seems to be just attacking
• 2:01:06
  large Canadian men with no teeth.
• 2:01:09
  Why? Is she running around the island
• 2:01:10
  telling guys to give their balls a toe?
• 2:01:13
  She's attacking ugly men, my God.
• 2:01:17
  He's calling everyone tit fuckers huh?
• 2:01:21
  Is there any way of getting this back?
• 2:01:24
  Why don't you do it I? Don't know so.
• 2:01:25
  We let's let's. I think we've, we've kind of.
• 2:01:29
  No, we still haven't talked about the Philadelphia practice.
• 2:01:33
  We kind of did. We've we've touched them.
• 2:01:35
  So let's give a quick rundown of the Philadelphia project and
• 2:01:39
  sometime in. There was.
• 2:01:40
  There was. A ship called the Eldridge
• 2:01:44
  disappeared. Came back, loads of ads were
• 2:01:46
  fucking. So the Philadelphia.
• 2:01:48
  Experiment is a secret U.S. Navy experiment that took place
• 2:01:51
  during World War 2, specifically in 1943.
• 2:01:55
  The entire story boils down to one goal, military invisibility.
• 2:01:59
  But the alleged results were way more intense than anyone
• 2:02:02
  expected. So.
• 2:02:04
  October 28th, 1943, the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in
• 2:02:10
  Pennsylvania, The USS Eldridge. It was 2.
• 2:02:16
  Apply a version of Albert Einstein.
• 2:02:18
  We did talk about this. You can take it from there.
• 2:02:24
  We have taken it from there. In 1943, the USS Edmund
• 2:02:28
  Fitzgerald was was destroyed. Don't talk about.
• 2:02:37
  It yet this ship. Will be talking about it
• 2:02:40
  constantly. This ship disappeared.
• 2:02:44
  No, we could do an episode. We could do a whole episode on
• 2:02:47
  that on the Gales, November in general.
• 2:02:49
  I was talking about the Edmund Fitzgerald.
• 2:02:51
  Yeah, leave it right. This fucking no it.
• 2:02:53
  Says Eldridge won't. But the Eldridge.
• 2:02:57
  Right, the Eldridge disappeared and apparently it showed up
• 2:03:04
  somewhere else for a few minutes also.
• 2:03:06
  And when it came back, here is the the mysterious.
• 2:03:10
  Showed up somewhere else. Where did it show up?
• 2:03:12
  So eh, it was in Philadelphia and I forget where it was that
• 2:03:16
  showed up. In the Norfolk Naval Shipyard in
• 2:03:20
  Virginia. Virginia.
• 2:03:21
  OK, Yeah, yeah. So apparently it showed up in
• 2:03:24
  Virginia for a few minutes and then disappeared again.
• 2:03:28
  Some people say that there was a weird green fog around it, which
• 2:03:33
  also kind of does tie into electromagnetic interference
• 2:03:37
  because people talk about like greens and and that that kind of
• 2:03:42
  color does kind of show up when we go to electromagnetic stuff
• 2:03:48
  like the the Aurora. Northern Lights.
• 2:03:50
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So we've got the Aurora.
• 2:03:52
  Borealis. Aurora Australis is the Southern
• 2:03:55
  Lights and yeah, so like people say they saw this green kind of
• 2:04:02
  smoke and maybe some kind of lightning style patterns in in
• 2:04:07
  this ship that just arrived in Virginia and then disappeared.
• 2:04:11
  And when now again, here's the story.
• 2:04:14
  It's the they reckon that this is the cover up.
• 2:04:17
  But when the ship reappeared in Philadelphia, this is also known
• 2:04:23
  as the Rainbow Project, which I think is why they might have
• 2:04:26
  used the Rainbow Room in Stranger Things as well.
• 2:04:29
  That's also definitely. Definitely the acorn, yeah.
• 2:04:34
  So this the rainbow project was they were trying to use
• 2:04:39
  electromagnetic feels to create a stealth disappearing kind of
• 2:04:48
  effect on this ship. But apparently this is what
• 2:04:51
  people say. The effects that they weren't
• 2:04:54
  expecting was that actually shifted them out.
• 2:04:57
  It phased them out of existence in one area and then into
• 2:05:01
  existence in another area. And when it came back, the story
• 2:05:06
  goes that a lot of the crew were actually used to.
• 2:05:09
  The walls. Weren't they used?
• 2:05:11
  Yes, so like few they were part of the deck.
• 2:05:14
  They were fucking bootleg Bill and fucking in the Flying
• 2:05:18
  Dutchman. They were like part of the ship
• 2:05:20
  and phased into decks and walls and some guys were just in like
• 2:05:26
  they looked normal, but we're in a lot of pain and and the
• 2:05:30
  apparently. Two sailors survived the initial
• 2:05:34
  jump but were thrown 40 years into the future.
• 2:05:38
  Yes, landing in 1983 at the Montauk Air Force Station.
• 2:05:43
  Exactly. And these guys are the ones that
• 2:05:47
  are said to have been used then after that for the time
• 2:05:54
  travelling experiments. These are the guys that claim
• 2:05:56
  that they have been to like 2300 and even beyond that.
• 2:06:02
  So they've spent 20 years in the future and then they move to the
• 2:06:05
  future again. These guys I.
• 2:06:08
  Hate to break it to you, but there's a black president.
• 2:06:14
  And a. Gay.
• 2:06:15
  An orange gay president. Did you see that, that short
• 2:06:20
  kind of just, it's a video of like what would happen if
• 2:06:24
  Captain, if Captain America really came back?
• 2:06:27
  And then it's just him being like, just like.
• 2:06:29
  He's. Basically racist and homophobic.
• 2:06:32
  Yeah, he's there. What's his name?
• 2:06:34
  They. Do that, the boys.
• 2:06:36
  Yeah, I was trying to. Oh.
• 2:06:38
  Yeah. Yeah, Jensen, that's basically
• 2:06:40
  his. Character yeah, in in the voice,
• 2:06:42
  which is really funny. She's like, yeah, you can't
• 2:06:44
  expect him to come across and be all like Collar and denies.
• 2:06:47
  He's from the fucking 40s and you're bringing.
• 2:06:49
  Him back from the 40s, what did you expect?
• 2:06:51
  There was like the segregation. And like did a woman.
• 2:06:54
  Just talk to me. Tells the black guy to go get
• 2:06:58
  him a coffee. Like legit, like all right, boy.
• 2:07:03
  Tough stuff. But yeah, so these guys
• 2:07:06
  apparently came from the 40s and they arrived in the the 80s.
• 2:07:11
  But their their story is obviously a lot of holes have
• 2:07:16
  been poked in their story and to to be like these guys showed up
• 2:07:22
  with like they actually have got a background.
• 2:07:24
  But they said that all the the government have like stole our
• 2:07:33
  memories and inserted all these memories of a life that we had
• 2:07:36
  through, you know, the 1970s and 1960s where they actually
• 2:07:40
  shouldn't have existed. I kind of love about that.
• 2:07:42
  Well, I kind of like, you can't pull that off today.
• 2:07:45
  Do you know what I mean? Like no one can come out and be
• 2:07:48
  like, hey, I'm actually from the 40s.
• 2:07:50
  That's like, OK, well, 2009, you tweeted.
• 2:07:53
  I fucking love Latina bitches. Do you know what I mean?
• 2:07:56
  So it's like you can't. It's it's.
• 2:07:57
  It would be so hard to adjust. Everyone has a digital footprint
• 2:08:01
  now. Yeah, to not have a digital
• 2:08:03
  footprint today. And then, like, I mean, maybe if
• 2:08:05
  you did come out of a fucking cult in the Appalachian
• 2:08:07
  Mountains, maybe, yeah, you could probably claim that
• 2:08:10
  because there's whatever. The world is so weird now and
• 2:08:14
  there's so much shape happening. Like we're we're on the cusp of
• 2:08:18
  saying like aliens are a thing and nobody gives a fuck.
• 2:08:21
  Nobody. Cares.
• 2:08:22
  Anymore has so much stuff yes, like.
• 2:08:27
  Is is got like a majority of that is because of fucking
• 2:08:31
  America. It really is.
• 2:08:36
  This is why, like I, I find it hard to believe that like a lot
• 2:08:39
  of these conspiracies are true because you have the likes of
• 2:08:43
  Trump and you have the likes of Cash Patel and they have access
• 2:08:46
  to the biggest secrets in the world.
• 2:08:47
  Not intelligent enough to. But like they happen because
• 2:08:50
  like, Trump can't keep a secret to save his life, you know, and
• 2:08:54
  cash. Well, I mean, he kept the
• 2:08:55
  Clinton. Secret pretty fucking well.
• 2:08:57
  Like he kept that for a few years.
• 2:09:00
  But like he like if there were something like a.
• 2:09:03
  We're 2025, we're running out, finding out that he's this rope
• 2:09:06
  goat. Like, come on.
• 2:09:08
  Well, like if there was like intervention.
• 2:09:10
  Like Nancy? Reagan.
• 2:09:11
  Nancy Reagan was fucking parading that I would be like
• 2:09:15
  my. I'd be like I'd go.
• 2:09:16
  Back in time because we have that technology.
• 2:09:19
  I'd be like. Here he.
• 2:09:20
  Here he. I am this rope go.
• 2:09:22
  I would I. Would run with that.
• 2:09:24
  We use the technology. We go back in time.
• 2:09:26
  You can celebrate that. You can celebrate Nancy Reagan.
• 2:09:30
  Me and Justy can kill Ronald Reagan well.
• 2:09:33
  I. Was like, yeah, do you want to
• 2:09:33
  go back and stop Hitler? No, I need Kubratan to know what
• 2:09:37
  I am. Ahead, we stopped Ronald Reagan.
• 2:09:40
  Yeah. Yeah, Reagan, I think on on the
• 2:09:43
  stop of like people to kill. I think Reagan's up.
• 2:09:46
  They're pretty. Questionable, if we.
• 2:09:49
  Just before we do call it right and I don't I don't want to hear
• 2:09:52
  like for World Peace or for good right both of you.
• 2:09:56
  What is your your ideal historical stop back in time.
• 2:10:01
  So not future even go to in the future and be like by the way,
• 2:10:04
  watching Britain has the biggest Dick I've ever seen and that's
• 2:10:07
  still for. The big day.
• 2:10:08
  I'm talking about like, what would be your first stop and
• 2:10:13
  what would you do and what you don't have to change the world
• 2:10:16
  for the better. Oh, I know what I'm doing.
• 2:10:18
  I've already discussed this with you.
• 2:10:20
  I would go back. I would go back 11,800 years ago
• 2:10:25
  to just before the younger joyous impact and find out what
• 2:10:33
  the deal was. Was there an Atlantis?
• 2:10:36
  Was there an Atlanta or an advanced civilization hanging
• 2:10:40
  around? Was where is there a such thing
• 2:10:44
  as these fucking advanced civilizations before this whole
• 2:10:48
  flood myth fucking stuff branched out and everybody
• 2:10:51
  became fucking sentient? Is was there a bunch of guys out
• 2:10:55
  there that were had technologies that were different than ours
• 2:11:02
  and on a totally different fucking eh?
• 2:11:04
  Like were they an advanced civilization?
• 2:11:06
  Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I don't think, again, I
• 2:11:10
  don't think there was guys going around fucking flying cars
• 2:11:13
  around like that. But like I do, I would like to
• 2:11:16
  see if, eh, the likes of what Graham Hancock is has been going
• 2:11:20
  on about since like I read Fingerprints of the Gods in the
• 2:11:22
  fucking 90s. I would like to know if that
• 2:11:25
  kind of stuff is legit because it's been fucking fascinating me
• 2:11:29
  for so long. Yeah, that's a.
• 2:11:31
  That's a really good answer. Anything.
• 2:11:33
  I'd go back and I'd give Native Americans guns, like modern guns
• 2:11:38
  I'd get, I'd give them AK-40 sevens.
• 2:11:40
  So while you were giving them, while you were giving them AK-40
• 2:11:43
  sevens, you're probably also going to give them like the
• 2:11:46
  common cold. So maybe wear gloves?
• 2:11:50
  I'd have a mask and I'd introduce them to the idea of
• 2:11:52
  being anti vaxxer. Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:11:58
  I think I would. I would have to go back to World
• 2:12:00
  War 2 at some point and just convince Ava Braun that Hitler
• 2:12:03
  was trash and then just so I could get to Hitler and see his
• 2:12:07
  micro penis. I really want to see the fact
• 2:12:09
  that he had a micro penis. Do you believe that he had a
• 2:12:12
  micro penis? I think is this just his history
• 2:12:15
  being written by the victor? No, I think he did, and I think
• 2:12:18
  that's why he was. So.
• 2:12:19
  Insecure. I think they're trying to Guild
• 2:12:21
  the Lily on that, where it's just like, look, Hitler was a
• 2:12:23
  piece of crap, you know, he did all these terrible things.
• 2:12:26
  He's objectively one of the worst people to ever.
• 2:12:27
  No one with a big penis could be an awful person.
• 2:12:30
  Micro penis like they're just you're just trying to put a hat
• 2:12:34
  on a hat. Yeah, like I, I, I 100% agree
• 2:12:37
  with that one. Like it's like.
• 2:12:38
  In that case, then I would go back to roughly the same time,
• 2:12:43
  and then I would go to Anne Frank's house and like, shoot
• 2:12:45
  on. Jesus Christ.
• 2:12:50
  Trust you to go back and heard. Me write a diary.
• 2:12:53
  Sorry, it would just be funny for me.
• 2:12:56
  That's it. Like.
• 2:12:57
  I write a diary all the time and people find that they're going
• 2:13:00
  to have like a list of Canadian cocks and how I rate them one to
• 2:13:04
  10. That's all they're going to
• 2:13:05
  find. Like you do not in the presence,
• 2:13:07
  Danny. Why do you have to go to?
• 2:13:08
  That well. If.
• 2:13:10
  They do find my diary, they're going to know they're going to
• 2:13:13
  have a good a good breakdown by region of Canada to which cock
• 2:13:17
  size is the best on average. So, oh, Shane, this is the point
• 2:13:23
  of the podcast where you will realize, well it was probably
• 2:13:25
  about 20 minutes ago that you'll realize that Danny is now
• 2:13:27
  getting belligerent and and it becomes 8 less about
• 2:13:33
  conspiracies and more about a box of wine, which by the way,
• 2:13:38
  do you know what they call a box of wine in Australia?
• 2:13:40
  What? A goon The bag inside the box is
• 2:13:44
  a goon bag they. Told me this.
• 2:13:48
  Before, I don't think it out of. The box though I.
• 2:13:50
  Just, and what they, what they do is they take the bag out when
• 2:13:53
  you when you're finished, they blow it up.
• 2:13:56
  They blow it up and you use it as a pillow because you're so
• 2:13:58
  shit faced. That's not true, but whatever
• 2:14:01
  it. It is what the.
• 2:14:03
  That's actually. True, I'm.
• 2:14:04
  Going to try. That.
• 2:14:07
  I was around people drinking these goon bags.
• 2:14:10
  But this is this is how far I got into into my goon bag.
• 2:14:14
  I I did take it out. It looks like a bag of.
• 2:14:16
  Blood. It looks like a colostomy bag.
• 2:14:19
  She believes. It gives her sexual powers.
• 2:14:23
  She does doing in my own juices. But OK, it has.
• 2:14:28
  The last having you thank. You for inviting me and I say.
• 2:14:31
  That knowing that we're probably going to have a Chernobyl
• 2:14:33
  episode in the future and that we'd love to have you on.
• 2:14:36
  Oh, absolutely. I can I can provide a lot of
• 2:14:39
  insight into that. That would be great.
• 2:14:40
  We'd we'd love to do that, even just him to.
• 2:14:42
  I'm going to do Alex can club this.
• 2:14:45
  This is just genuinely like no, I just want to ask like the the
• 2:14:50
  booking process for this, like how did you find the tour?
• 2:14:54
  Like is it? Just Google it.
• 2:14:56
  Yeah, just Google it. We can't do it anymore,
• 2:14:58
  obviously. But it was just like you go to
• 2:15:02
  Kiev and there are travel agencies that you just, they do.
• 2:15:05
  Hey, this is a day tour out to Chernobyl.
• 2:15:08
  We will bring you to the exclusion zones.
• 2:15:10
  We will bring you to prep yet. We'll bring you to all these
• 2:15:12
  points. You'll have a tour guide and
• 2:15:14
  then there's a different one that's more expensive that
• 2:15:16
  brings you into the into the control room.
• 2:15:19
  And is that like you have to have completely different like
• 2:15:23
  gear and protective stuff? They do put you in, like when
• 2:15:26
  you go in there, they do put you in more protective gear.
• 2:15:28
  Yeah, because when you're just out around the city of Tripius
• 2:15:32
  and you're just like, in your regular clothes.
• 2:15:34
  OK. So if you go, if you're any of
• 2:15:36
  you're like say at the Elephant's book, which there are
• 2:15:39
  there cores at all that go all the way down there or no?
• 2:15:43
  No, you don't go down to that because that that's still
• 2:15:46
  reacting. Yeah, OK, that's crazy.
• 2:15:48
  No, that's amazing. Like we should, we should
• 2:15:50
  definitely do like an episode on that.
• 2:15:51
  But like, probably so interesting.
• 2:15:53
  I just wondered because it was like on Dark Tourist there are
• 2:15:57
  they take you into the exclusion zone like at night and then you
• 2:16:00
  hide. They have like a specific like
• 2:16:02
  they change obviously because there's so many apartment
• 2:16:04
  buildings and houses and stuff. Oh yeah, did they break in?
• 2:16:07
  And change location. Time, yeah.
• 2:16:09
  Yeah, yeah, which it is really interesting.
• 2:16:12
  I'm very interested, if we do do an episode on this, to hear the
• 2:16:16
  conspiracy theories that would have come about because of the
• 2:16:20
  whole Chernobyl thing. I think that's going to be the
• 2:16:22
  most interesting part about this.
• 2:16:23
  Oh yeah, that is, that is a nice, that's a nice like thing
• 2:16:27
  to mine, definitely. Well, that being said, we can
• 2:16:31
  look forward to the next episode, but for now, let's
• 2:16:35
  fucking put a pin in this episode.
• 2:16:37
  Ocean, It's been an absolute pleasure having you here.
• 2:16:39
  I don't know if you were prepared for the derailing of
• 2:16:44
  this fucking It wasn't. Too bad.
• 2:16:47
  I've known Danny for several years.
• 2:16:49
  I was. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 2:16:50
  Yeah. So it was a wild ride, but I'm
• 2:16:54
  sure somebody out there might get some information about
• 2:16:57
  Montauk from what we might have talked about strip clubs and
• 2:17:03
  we've loved having you here and definitely come back.
• 2:17:08
  I definitely will. To talk about Chernobyl.
• 2:17:11
  Chernobyl it's and ladies and gentlemen, this has been hocus
• 2:17:18
  pocus lack of focus. I've been justy he's been oh,
• 2:17:22
  Sheen, she's been barely here. Eh, it's.
• 2:17:28
  Thank you. For hanging out with us for a
• 2:17:30
  spell. Love you guys.
• 2:17:33
  Bye. Bye.
• 2:17:34
  See you guys.