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#0152_ A Wild Conversation About Comedy, Culture & Current Events · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, thank you for coming, your first podcast. My pleasure,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Dillon. Thank you for having me. I like the
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  Speaker 1: way you do this. We come to your studio. It's easy.
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  Speaker 1: We sit here. We do it. Jamie has to work extra.
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  Speaker 1: He's not happy about it. Jamie's happy. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: He's all right. That's all right. Thank you for letting
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  Speaker 1: me do it. We wanted to follow up Lex Friedman
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  Speaker 1: with somebody bigger. And that person is you. Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you, because it's been, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were just talking about the Hamptons and how crazy
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  Speaker 1: people go when they have an insane amount of money. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You've done very well in the last, forever, but in
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  Speaker 1: the last year. Yeah. Do you, is it weird as
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  Speaker 1: a comic, the types of people that you can be
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  Speaker 1: around now? It's weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get like messages from celebrities, like random celebrities, usually
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  Speaker 2: about COVID advice.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Like I get... No bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: I've helped like dozens of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That I've never brought their names up, like famous actors.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Musicians. So just contact me for COVID advice.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's weird. But it's also weird that they can just,
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  Speaker 2: they know I know them and I'm famous too.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I've reached this weird spot where, like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: comfortable meeting famous people. Like, hi, fellow famous person. Whereas
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  Speaker 2: I was plagued by imposter syndrome, like, forever. Like, and
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  Speaker 2: I would get real weird around actual celebrities. I'm like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: I got to run to the store.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Hang out with the freaks, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But now you're cool with it.
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  Speaker 2: It's more, I'm just more accustomed to it, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But the money thing and the celebrity thing and all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff, it is odd. And it's not good for
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  Speaker 2: a comedian. Comedians are best off known but not too famous.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because you get too famous and then you get scrutiny
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  Speaker 2: from people who aren't even really fans.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And they start picking up out your material or looking for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, where you've aired on the PC side.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, where you're not woke or where this.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think that is with comics where if
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  Speaker 1: they get too much money or if they're. They get
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  Speaker 1: too big. A lot of them lose their mind. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of them have real big problems.
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  Speaker 2: Well, famous people lose their mind. It's just a totally
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  Speaker 2: unnatural state of existence where everywhere you go, people know
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  Speaker 2: you and they're all happy to see you. And then
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  Speaker 2: you also surround yourself with a bunch of people that
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  Speaker 2: don't tell you the truth. That's pretty common. And you
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  Speaker 2: got to find a way to mitigate that or you'll
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  Speaker 2: go insane. You have to have something you do that's
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  Speaker 2: like an absolute thing, whether it's a workout thing or
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  Speaker 2: you play chess or you fucking, you know, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: You have to have something that you do that's really difficult.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't give a fuck if you're famous. If you
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  Speaker 2: don't have, like, I look at it literally like it's
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  Speaker 2: an exercise for maintaining sanity. Like this, you have to
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  Speaker 2: brush your teeth. you have to go work out. But
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  Speaker 2: it's not just you work out to be healthy, it's
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  Speaker 2: also work out because it's so hard to do that
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  Speaker 2: everything else seems easier.
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  Speaker 1: Over the last year, you've kind of become, is this
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  Speaker 1: the most heat you've ever taken for a position? For
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  Speaker 1: about COVID, about the vaccine and stuff like that. Because
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  Speaker 1: I know that the trans MMA thing was big, but
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  Speaker 1: it didn't feel this big.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the trans MMA thing was big, but it wasn't valid.
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  Speaker 2: It was people that don't want any criticism whatsoever about
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  Speaker 2: trans people. And I was like, look, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: a problem with trans people. I have a problem with
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  Speaker 2: someone pretending that they're a biological woman and fighting women.
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  Speaker 2: Once you say you're trans and everybody says, okay, I'll
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  Speaker 2: fight her.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, I'm fine with that.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, MMA is one of the best places
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  Speaker 2: for that because you know exactly who your opponent is.
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  Speaker 2: Unlike this swimmer, was it you, Penn?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what it is? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever the swimmer is that's lapping all these biological women.
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  Speaker 2: That's fucked because they don't have a choice.
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  Speaker 1: They have to compete against you. And fighting is, you're
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  Speaker 1: more of an expert in fighting than many things. You
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  Speaker 1: put your knowledge of fighting up there And the knowledge
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  Speaker 1: of advantages that a biological male has over a female.
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  Speaker 1: They're giant. The advantages are giant.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think they go away in two years
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  Speaker 2: of hormone treatments and surgery. It's too much of an advantage.
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  Speaker 2: But if a woman is a biological woman who wants
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  Speaker 2: to compete against a trans woman, I have zero problem
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  Speaker 2: with that. And there was a situation like that recently.
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  Speaker 2: I had no comment about it. It's basically some regional
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  Speaker 2: level fighters who— And one was trans and she was
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  Speaker 2: a former like Navy SEAL, like fucking super jacked.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Used to look like, you know, like a savage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then became a woman and fought MMA. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But apparently it was a good fight too. She almost
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  Speaker 2: lost in the first round, won in the second round.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. Right.
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  Speaker 2: My issue is not it's not an anti-trans position.
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  Speaker 1: It's like for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You can't pretend that that's fair, that you don't tell
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  Speaker 2: someone that you were a biological male for 30 fucking years.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: 30 fucking years of having testosterone pulsing through your system
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  Speaker 2: and strengthening your tendons, your muscles and changing the way
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  Speaker 2: your mind works.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. A female. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: That's so that was a lot.
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  Speaker 1: That was a big one.
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  Speaker 2: But it was more like I realized that people will
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  Speaker 2: distort your perceptions on things or your positions on things.
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  Speaker 1: This is different.
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  Speaker 2: This is like the government gets mad at me. This
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  Speaker 2: is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: CNN lies about me. This is the most heat I
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  Speaker 1: think I've ever seen a private individual take outside of
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's leaking secrets or something. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: a pretty... Now, obviously, you're fine. They're not disappearing you, right?
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  Speaker 1: But in terms of just criticism, Fauci and people have
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  Speaker 1: addressed you personally and Like the media has kind of
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  Speaker 1: gone after you personally. Does it affect you at all
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  Speaker 1: being in the midst of this shit storm on the
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  Speaker 1: level you're in it, which is pretty– you're pretty central?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it has to affect you because you're aware of it.
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  Speaker 2: If you're aware of it, it has an effect on you.
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  Speaker 2: The question is do you change the way you operate?
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  Speaker 2: Like do I decide– And now I'm going to play
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  Speaker 2: it safe and I'm going to just have podcasts with
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  Speaker 2: athletes or comedians just talk about silly things.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I could do that. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I could just decide to bail out of it. Or
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  Speaker 2: I could just do exactly what I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And do exactly what got me here in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I do. Yeah. I'm aware of it,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I know what's going on, too. You know, what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: one of the reasons why they go after me is
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  Speaker 2: that they realize I have a lot of influence. Another
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  Speaker 2: reason why is because they need a boogeyman. Like, the
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  Speaker 2: mainstream media needs a Trump. They need a someone.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because on their own, the problem is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it is editorial opinion pieces by morons.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, they're really dull-minded folks.
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  Speaker 1: These are not the brightest.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the reason why they got there in the first
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  Speaker 2: place is not because they're these courageous, pioneering thinkers.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Who have, like, compassionate, intelligent views in the world. No.
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  Speaker 1: They have followed narratives. They read teleprompters. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And they say things that align— with whatever the ideology
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  Speaker 2: is of their network.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what they do. Do you have people that
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  Speaker 1: disagree with you on this issue that, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you do, that you respect? That you go, Sam Harris,
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  Speaker 1: somebody like that. People that go, I feel, because it's
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  Speaker 1: a big issue and it's like a life or death thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's an important issue. People have very strong feelings about it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you, like, obviously there's a lot of disingenuous people
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  Speaker 1: in the media that are doing it for clicks, but
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  Speaker 1: do you have people in your own life who this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of, I don't want to say a rift,
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  Speaker 1: but like, have you fallen out with people over it
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  Speaker 1: or have you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's, um, it's controversial, but at this point, particularly when
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  Speaker 2: I see the way the government's behaving, um, the suppression
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  Speaker 2: of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of, um, generic treatments that
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  Speaker 2: are available, whether it's hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, there's a concerted
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  Speaker 2: effort to demonize treatments that many, many, many doctors are
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  Speaker 2: using and many countries are using. There's fuckery going on, man.
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  Speaker 2: And it's brought to you by Pfizer. And if you
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  Speaker 2: watch the root of this fuckery, it's real clear. And
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  Speaker 2: so I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that you shouldn't get vaccinated. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: that vaccines don't have a positive benefit for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people. They most certainly do. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: who got COVID who were vaccinated, it was way better
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  Speaker 2: for them than not being vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fact. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Another fact is there's treatments that are available that could
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  Speaker 2: stop it dead in its tracks, particularly monoclonal antibodies. The
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  Speaker 2: Biden administration is doing their very fucking best to make
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  Speaker 2: it really hard to get monoclonal antibodies. And according to Peter.
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  Speaker 1: McCullough, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Peter McCullough, who is the most published physician in history
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  Speaker 2: in his field. The most published ever. He's a rock
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  Speaker 2: solid physician without ever having any controversy in his career
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  Speaker 2: up until COVID. He says there's enough monoclonal antibodies for
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  Speaker 2: the entire country. He's like, they're doing their best to
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  Speaker 2: try to prevent this because if you get that monoclonal antibodies...
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  Speaker 2: it stops COVID dead in its tracks. Early treatment with
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  Speaker 2: monoclonal antibodies knocks it dead.
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  Speaker 1: It did it with you. It did it with me.
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  Speaker 1: So then why not go that route? Now, I know
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  Speaker 1: Pfizer's making a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Because they want to vaccinate people. They want universal vaccination.
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  Speaker 2: You could say there's all sorts of sinister motives for that.
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  Speaker 2: You could say they don't want a control group. They
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  Speaker 2: want the entire country vaccinated. So if health problems happen,
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  Speaker 2: There's no one to compare it to. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that you could say. You could say that
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  Speaker 2: this is just a gigantic money grab, that they have
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  Speaker 2: some sort of a very close relationship with the pharmaceutical
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  Speaker 2: companies that manufacture the vaccines. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 2: fuck it is, but I do know that there are treatments,
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  Speaker 2: and in a sane world, you would be pursuing all
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  Speaker 2: these treatments. They wouldn't just send you home and say
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  Speaker 2: they can't give you ivermectin, they can't give you anything else.
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  Speaker 2: They just come back when your pulse, your blood oxygen
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  Speaker 2: level drops below 92. That's not normal. That's not normal
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  Speaker 2: with any other disease. When they have off-label treatments that
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  Speaker 2: are available that people are using, And there are randomized
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  Speaker 2: controlled trials that show that they work. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they fucking work or not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a moron.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. I'm not an epidemiologist. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a virologist. But the ones that I've talked to that are,
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  Speaker 2: that have treated thousands of people, they tell you time
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  Speaker 2: and time again that these are effective methods. They point
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  Speaker 2: to Uttar Pradesh in India that's knocked it out using
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  Speaker 2: entirely this combination of ivermectin and a few other off-label drugs.
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  Speaker 2: They point to all these different countries all around the
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  Speaker 2: world that have experienced very low rates of COVID. And
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  Speaker 2: they say, why does Japan use ivermectin? Why do all
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  Speaker 2: these other countries use it? Why is CNN pretending it's
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  Speaker 2: veterinary medication when more people have taken ivermectin than there
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  Speaker 2: are horses on planet Earth?
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's fucking nuts. The media has clearly... attacked you
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  Speaker 1: using a playbook that has only made them look very disingenuous.
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  Speaker 1: And you've, I think, more people's eyes have been opened
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  Speaker 1: by the media lying about things you've said or misrepresenting
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  Speaker 1: ivermectin as horse medication, things like that. In terms of
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the criticisms that people have had
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  Speaker 1: is they've said, like, why not bring on people that
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  Speaker 1: are more pro-vax? I have. So you put on.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly have. Well, I had him on. I had
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  Speaker 2: Wanda Patrick on. I had a conversation with her about
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  Speaker 2: it in the early days of the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I had.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Osterholm, who is he's an infectious disease expert. I
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  Speaker 2: had Peter Hotez, who's a vaccine expert.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Quite a few of them on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, like over time, I've noticed that the
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  Speaker 2: mainstream narrative is being guided in a way where everybody
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  Speaker 2: steps in line and people are ignoring all these other
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  Speaker 2: things that we talked about. They're ignoring the suppression of
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  Speaker 2: monoclonal antibodies. They're ignoring the suppression of treatments. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of shit going on.
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  Speaker 1: Have any of those dudes reached out to come back
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  Speaker 1: on again or have they, like Osterholm or people like that,
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  Speaker 1: is it weird? Because also people bring up this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing that you have where you go, listen, I'm not anti-vax, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. You have a whole thing where you talk
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  Speaker 1: about that a lot of people that are against all
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  Speaker 1: vaccinations are historically, they've been proven wrong. We've stamped out
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  Speaker 1: a lot of diseases. What about like, because I would
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  Speaker 1: wonder because I know- This isn't a vaccine. Right. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. It's a gene therapy. That's part of the problem. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of an experimental thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the experiment is massive now. It's billions and
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  Speaker 2: billions of people worldwide.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But it's essentially experimental in terms of the long-term health consequences.
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  Speaker 1: So I wonder about guys, because they don't seem like
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  Speaker 1: bad people. Osterholm or guys like that, right? Well, they've
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  Speaker 1: never been bad people. They've never been bad people. And
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  Speaker 1: are they just looking at, well, all these people, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them are faring better with the vaccine if
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  Speaker 1: they get COVID, so they're not looking at the other
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  Speaker 1: adverse effects?
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of things you could say. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of it's speculation. But again, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that benefit from being vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fact. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: There's also people that have horrible reactions to the vaccine.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fact, too.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot going on. And when you're only allowed
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  Speaker 2: to look at one group of one. you know, example
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  Speaker 2: of evidence and not another example, like one, a positive
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  Speaker 2: example versus a negative example. That's not good for anybody.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: It just sucks for me that I'm stuck in this
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  Speaker 2: weird position where I have to talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: You're in this crazy position as a comedian, MMA commentator, podcaster,
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  Speaker 1: but you, the show has become such a massive, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they put out numbers the other day. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 1: the leading media person Figure right now. How dumb is that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's wild.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you know this world is fucked.
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  Speaker 1: I think I should be. I was so mad that
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  Speaker 1: you were, and I called my producer, and I fired him.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: I had to rehire him because I couldn't find anyone else.
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  Speaker 1: But I was so angry because I don't have guests,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what a real media person should do. I
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: have no interest in anyone's opinion. Just like my mother,
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  Speaker 1: who's a schizophrenic. She never had to have anyone over
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  Speaker 1: to have a good time. And that's the way I do.
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  Speaker 1: But you now have a crazy amount of people listening.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel, because people try to guilt you. People
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  Speaker 1: try to go, somebody didn't get vaccinated and they died
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  Speaker 1: of COVID. And they try to go, that's Joe Rogan's fault.
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  Speaker 1: This is what people say. That's what they say? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what they say. I mean, this is their whole thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: This is what I would say. Why didn't the doctors
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  Speaker 2: give them treatment? Why didn't the doctors get them monoclonal antibodies?
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  Speaker 2: Were they denied monoclonal antibodies? Did they request them? Did
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  Speaker 2: they know about them?
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't they get IV vitamin drip infusions? Why didn't
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: they get NAD? Is that available?
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't that available?
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: That seems like especially IV vitamin drips. That shit's very available.
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  Speaker 2: We know that high-level... drips, especially with C, D, zinc, glutathione.
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  Speaker 2: All those things are hugely beneficial to any kind of
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  Speaker 2: disease people have.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. I've got them.
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  Speaker 2: I've got them like as a, just a health remedy
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  Speaker 2: for the last few years. And every time I do it,
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  Speaker 2: it feels fucking great.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, people personally that have had problems with
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  Speaker 1: the vaccine. I know quite a few now. Yeah.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Now I know over 15 people that have had like
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: serious side effects of the vaccine. Both men and women,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: menstrual issues, menstrual issues, strokes, neurological disorders, chronic fatigue.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: So what's a neurological disorder?
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Your whole body shaking.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Jesus. Yeah. And you can't do anything about it. Like
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: weird ones, man.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: There's, and it's, The thing is, when you're vaccinating this,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: to be fair, you're vaccinating hundreds of millions of people
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: in this country alone. You're going to get adverse side
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: effects on any medication.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: The thing is, if you look at only that, like
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: if you vaccinate 100 million people, they think that the
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: adverse side effects and they don't really know because the
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: VAERS report, it's kind of. It's very underreported, and it's
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: also hard to see whether or not it's 100% accurate.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much they investigate each individual one.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: If you, they seem to think that at a low number,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: like a conservative number, it's like one per 1,000. So
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: if you vaccinate a million people, you're gonna have a
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: lot of people that have adverse side effects. You vaccinate
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: 100 people, you're gonna have a lot. So this is
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: what we're dealing with. Yeah, and that doesn't get any play.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, they suppress it. There was a kid on
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: TikTok that had myocarditis, and he was a high school kid,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like an athlete, and he was in the hospital. And
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: it got millions and millions of plays. They removed it
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: from TikTok because it doesn't fit the narrative. Like, that's
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: what's fucked.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: See, that's really an indication of a much larger problem. Yes.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: The problem is they think they're doing good. I mean,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: a 13-year-old got it and died a day later. There's
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: been quite a few. There's a few kids that unfortunately,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you know, have passed away. Yes.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I have a friend and one of his good friend's
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: daughter got it. She was 14 years old and just
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: immediately died. respiratory failure, they put her in the ICU.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: She's fucked.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: There was one of the girls in the trials that
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: was 13 years old that's confined to a wheelchair.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: For the rest of her life. And you can't sue?
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Not that suing would matter when it's your trial. No,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: you can't.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: That's part of what's going on, the emergency use authorization.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: It exempts them from any, and you're talking about these
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: companies that have always historically lied about adverse side effects
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: in order to make profit. They've done it with Vioxx.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: They've done it with a bunch of other drugs in
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the past. Pfizer is like one of the most fine
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: companies ever.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: The Russian vaccine Sputnik is actually the best vaccine. It's
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to be very good. It's actually the best vaccine.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: And nobody's talking about it. It's supposed to be very
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: good too.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cuban one's supposed to be excellent.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: You know Lex is an agent of Russia. He works
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: for Russia. Oh, he definitely does. And he's here in
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: America now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I think he's related to Putin.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's his son. Lex Friedman is the son of
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Putin and Ghislaine Maxwell. His real name's Damien. Keep it
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: on the low. But he was talking about Sputnik, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I researched Sputnik, and Sputnik is actually good. Could you,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: instead of with the ivermectin, just pitch Sputnik? That way
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you can divert the people that are angry at you
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and you go, all right, I'll give you a vaccine.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Just get a Russian one.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's the best one. Get a Cuban one. What's a
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Cuban one called?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: It's a good question. There's a new one that's coming out, apparently,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: that is an inert version of the virus, like an
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: old school vaccine.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: So that's what you want. Well, I don't know, man.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, is that good?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Is that good to get? I don't know. Nobody knows.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, man. What about treatments? What about
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: these fucking treatments? How good is this Pfizer pill that's
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: coming out? How good is the Merck pill that's coming out?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the way to go.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're great. Maybe a good thing to do is get.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: The natural antibodies for an infection and have a really
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: effective treatment.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And also, you're right about this. You can't have the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: body positivity shit where you tell people you can be fat.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And that it's great for you. You shouldn't demonize fat people.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: But you should also be very honest with them about
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you're making a choice. Just like when you become a comedian,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you're making a choice. It may not work. Statistically, it won't.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But you can try. And good luck, right? It's like
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you become an actor, an artist, whatever. Being fat is
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: kind of similar to that where it's like it's probably
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: not going to work long term.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It's even worse with COVID apparently because there's something about
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: COVID that targets fat.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It does. Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And they've shown significant numbers of people that are in
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the ICU that are overweight. It's one of the worst
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: things you can have.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And in the beginning, they weren't as honest with that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: as they are now.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. It's like there's things that upset people.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And so because they know those things upset people, they
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: decide not to talk about it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: And, you know, body shaming is one of those things.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Right. But it's true that you have a much higher risk. Yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it's true. Of having adverse reaction to COVID, hospitalization, death
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: if you're a fatty boom baddie. Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I think if we're really lucky, these Merck pills or
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the Pfizer pills are excellent. And then also this Omicron vaccine.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I've heard, I have a friend who's a
• 20:11
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• 20:13
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting is that nobody in Hollywood's vaccinated. Nobody talks
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: about it. We know a bunch of actors. They don't
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: ever talk about it. None of them are vaccinated, right? Really?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: None of them.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You mean they hide it?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: They hide it. They have fake vaccine cards. Oh, really?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: We've been told this by everybody.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I thought you were being facetious.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Oh. A lot of Hollywood actors
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: are not vaccinated. Doing it. Because, you know, they're younger.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of them, they're healthier. They have access to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: really good treatment, this, that, the other thing. They don't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: trust the narrative, whatever. They're just not. And, you know, outwardly,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: they're not talking about it, right? Yeah. Like, think of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: how many Hollywood celebrities went hard for Black Lives Matter.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Now think about how many of them went hard for
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the vaccine. Not a lot. There's just not a lot
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of Hollywood people. Stephen Colbert went hard. He went hard,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: but that's his job. Is it? Well, yeah, he's a puppet.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the marionette. That was the most
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: puppety thing I think I've ever seen. Well, he's a
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: guy that took the $ 25 million a year, which I get.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: If somebody pays me $ 25 million a year, they give
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: him a lot of money. And he was getting no ratings.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And then Trump came in and he goes, I will.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: My aunt loves Stephen Colbert. You know, she's she's in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: her 60s or late 50s. She has three or four
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: autoimmune disorders. She's self-diagnosed. She drinks white Zinfandel and she
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sits in her chair. She has a loveless marriage and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: she stares at the TV. And Stephen Colbert comes on
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and he goes, Trump's evil. and the Republicans are evil,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and she cheers and smacks her seal-like paws together, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: this is how she's gonna spend the rest of her life.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And I have another aunt who does the same thing,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: but she's a QAnon retard and she watches Laura Ingraham
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and her husband and her are like, you know, it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a loveless, you know, marriage. And she just sits in
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: her chair drinking wine, watching Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So people at a certain age, I think when they've
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: given up on everything else in life, they get very political. Yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that does happen. It also gives them meaning. Gives them
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: something to do. Well, they watch their tribe go to war.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Well, people are into football teams.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: That's right. You know, fucking go Buccaneers. Right. Right, right.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. They paint their chest. They go insane.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It's their team. And if their team loses, they get devastated.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Do you, as a highly productive person, look at people
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like that and go, they're just lower life forms? Because
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not even nearly as productive as you when I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: look at them like that. And I do a hundredth
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of maybe a thousandth of what you do. And I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: look at them and I go, they're like zombies. Their
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: bodies and minds have been taken over. Well, they got–
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it's a trap. Right.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It's like if you– you ever watch people play three-card
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: money in New York?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. And you go, oh, you fucking dummy. Yes. You're
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: going to get sucked into that? Yeah.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Like, you'll get sucked into all these things.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: You know, it's what I say about, like, if you
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: get really invested in politics. Voting for president is probably
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a lot like rooting on pro wrestling.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: That's right. It might make you feel better. Right.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But I don't know how much it really affects the outcome.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And they're trying to pull that back as much as
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: possible now.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at Biden, who's clearly– You know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: this act didn't get passed. Even the Democrats are going,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: this guy is out of it. Yeah. Even people that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: voted for him are going, hey, something's wrong. It's clear
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to see that the will of the people gets subverted
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a lot in many different ways. Sure. And the people
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: who end up running the show are not necessarily representative
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of what the public wants. Yeah. And I don't know
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that you fix that. I don't know if you'd fix
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: that either. So unfortunately, it's just you end up adopting
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: this kind of cynical position. Right. That you can only
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: really take care of yourself, your family, your community, the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: people you can donate money. You can be altruistic in
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: many different ways. But as far as the government, it
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: seems like an unsolvable problem.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: It's definitely complex and it's moving in the wrong direction.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I've been paying attention to these companies that are buying
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: up affordable housing and.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like BlackRock and Zillow. Yeah, that's scary. It is scary.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's scary because if they can move the entire country
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: into renting, nobody can own anything.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: That's what they want to do. Right, that's what I'm saying.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: They don't want anyone to own anything.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: If you get a giant majority of the population that
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: are just renters that don't ever own property, they never
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: have their own real home, and then you make sure
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that you control their wage because you have massive corporations,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: whether it's Target or Amazon or whatever, And they limit
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the amount of possible growth you have within a company.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there was that article, you'll own nothing and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: be happy in 2030. That is wild. And this is,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of, you know, when you look at
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of these, think tanks and, you know, groups
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of very powerful interests online, When you look at the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: kind of world they want, they would like to get
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: rid of things like car ownership. Yes, I've been seeing
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that too. They want to get rid of home ownership.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: They want people to all be on the grid in
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a major way. They want surveillance, cradle to grave, 24
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: hours a day, seven days a week. Social credit systems. Yeah,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and the only thing that's left to do seems to
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: be to get in with them. so that when they're
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: doing this to everyone, you're with them. Yeah, you're on
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the right side of the plastic glass. Because here's the problem.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: People are marching into this willingly. They're like marching into it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's like my aunt or the other aunt. Like people,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: as long as their team wins, they don't really care
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: what rights they lose and what things end up looking like. Yeah,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: they don't.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that don't. And they're so
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: tribal that if the right-wing people want something, they want
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the opposite of that, even if it kills them. And
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: so I think that there's a lot of exaggerated positions
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: by people that take up these really like amplified right
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: wing positions. And it's probably like Russian trolls or Chinese
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: trolls or something like that. And they take up these
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: positions which force. the people on the left to get
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: even more crazy with their Marxist ideas and leftist ideas.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: They turn it up. They're being played. They turn it up.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And very few people are autonomous. Very few people have
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: their own like.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Well, we're also a silly country now. So we have
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: kids in the suburbs calling themselves Maoists. Yeah. Unironically. Unironically.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: In these leafy green suburbs. And then we have the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: alt-right and it's the same kids and they want a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: return to the Holy Roman Empire. Yeah. And these are
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: children running around the suburbs that are online all day,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: venerating these genocidal dictators and going, this is a good idea. Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It's a silly country, and there's a lot of problems.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And you know one of the first indications that I
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: saw that this was coming was when comics stopped doing colleges.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah. Because as soon as comics— Because you lose
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the younger people. Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Because the comics were like, dude, they're too fucking politically correct.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Right. It's too annoying. It's too annoying.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do this. They don't have any
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: world experience and their ideas are preposterous. They're the first
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to say no one should own property. They're the first
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to say that we need a redistribution of wealth. Which
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it is good, but you don't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: want all of it. Because then why make money? Income
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: equality is a crazy statement.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Of course. Because should people make more money? Yes. Yes.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: They definitely should.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: If you look at a corporation that's making fucking untold
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: billions of dollars, and then you go down to the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: bottom of the chain and people are in dire poverty
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that are working for that company, and that company is benefiting...
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: substantially more than that person's getting.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: The balance is way off.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: The balance is way off. And those people have no leverage.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: That's where unions come into play. That's why it's important
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to organize.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: That's why Jeff Bezos recently with Amazon, he's taking the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: photos with the girl. He's enjoying it. At least the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Amazon employees, even though they don't have food or healthcare,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: can look at him and go, he's having fun. You
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Whereas a Warren Buffett, he's just
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: in Omaha having sex with kids quietly and worshiping Satan.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Is that what he's doing? Come on. Who lives in Omaha?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: He has a billion dollars. He drinks a lot of Coca-Cola.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: He's got $ 100 billion. He lives in Omaha. Why? Because
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: he likes— He lives in a small house. He says
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: he likes Dairy Queen? Let's cut it out. But Bezos,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: at least, he's on a raft with these whores in
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean. At least that inspires people.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's his girlfriend.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's actually his girlfriend.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: She's really pretty.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: She's pretty in an interesting way. What does that mean?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: there's a shapeliness to her that's, she seems threatening. Like
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: an animal. She looks like an agent. Ah. Kind of
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: like somebody that would play an agent in a movie,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: which is interesting because she probably is an agent in
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: real life. Well, she's a Mossad agent or something. Dated
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of other people. She's had children. I think
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: she's American. Well, God bless her. And she's making good choices.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I always tell women, if you can, marry a billionaire, right?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: It's a good move. Marry a wealthy dude. Hang in
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: there for a couple years, and it's way better than
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: working at Amazon.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: The best life is to marry someone who they make
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: money by destroying themselves while you enjoy it. Which is
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: many relationships that I know. A woman will enjoy the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: fruits of a man's labor. He will destroy himself and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: she will kind of enjoy the money. Right.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: But Bezos, I believe, is retired. He stepped down as
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a CEO. But it's kind of like Putin, right? Where
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they never really stepped down.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: But my thing is like, when you have a country
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that's this silly, where comedy specials are people... coming out
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: making serious points, you have late night hosts crying, you
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: have the girl who threatened her mother on Dr. Phil
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: is a legitimate star, right? Bad Baby, remember that woman?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: She threatened to kill her mother on TV? She's a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: star now. She has massive Instagram followers. Massive, massive. Where
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: does this go, right? Pictures of apes are selling for
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the cost of a Lamborghini. Our last president was the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: guy who hosted The Apprentice, and on his last day
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of office, a mob of lunatics ran into the Capitol
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to take selfies with fucking wigs on. It looked like
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a sketch I would do. It really is. We're in
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like a fucking weird movie.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when you were a kid and you
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: would hear about the last days of the Roman Empire?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Where they were just like eating until they couldn't take
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: it anymore and then shoving a feather in their mouth.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And throwing up and fucking everybody. Yes. That's us. And it's,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: this is that version of it. When you explain like that,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: it sounds good. It doesn't sound that bad. But it
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: is funny as a comedian when you step back and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you go like, this is... Really, really crazy stuff. It's
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And the problem is I don't see a good ending
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: because if we fall in, the other problem is we
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: have to compete with China and China has this amazing
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: ability to control their population through propaganda and intimidation and.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You know, total censorship, which we're like moving in that
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: kind of general direction.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Which is really scary because the one way we may
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: be able to compete with China is to become more
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: like China. Because otherwise, like they're so integrated. Their government
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and their business is inexorable. They're connected. You cannot have
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a corporation where the government's not involved. So the government
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: makes decisions with the corporations that benefit the government and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: benefit the Chinese Communist Party. benefit the country in general.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And we're on that path too. Military, industrial contractors, pharma
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: companies that kind of killed the Obama healthcare bill. They
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: went in and rewrote that and they were like, we
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: don't want this. All their lobbyists had a lot of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: influence on that. I mean, it's strange to really conceive
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of it as a reality, as opposed to just a
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: joke or or a, you know, kind of a cynical aside,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: it actually does seem that we're in a stage of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: decline that's somewhat irreversible. Yeah, it does. It's hard not
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to be depressed.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this before.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Douglas Murray. He talked about all the gender issues. Yes.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He was on my podcast and he was saying that
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: these gender issues where people are changing genders, swapping genders.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: He goes, that takes place in all civilizations that are collapsing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Now, why is that? I don't know. Is it people
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: just get bored?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's when life gets very easy, people start
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: looking for problems and they start looking to the structure
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: of society and then looking to sort of dissolve.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Because there are legitimate trans people.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Clearly.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Clearly. Clearly, I know somebody who's trans who never speaks
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: about it, lives as a woman, doesn't even know that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I know. Great person. Born a man, now lives as
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a woman. Doesn't speak, lives as a woman, doesn't speak about,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is like very much. Well, say her name so everybody knows. Well,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I don't, she probably wouldn't even mind. Everyone now is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: such a fame whore.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I had Blair White on the podcast.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Blair White, yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Who's as trans as you can get.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: As trans, yeah. You look at that and go, oh,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I get it. 100%. But then there's this other thing
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: where people are going, I have green hair. Yeah. I'm
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: trans or non-binary. And you go, what? Wait a minute.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Hold on a minute. You're a white female who goes
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to Wesleyan College. You're dating a guy. Right. You're in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a heterosexual relationship. You felt no oppression your entire life.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Your dad works for Raytheon. Your mother's a pill addict.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: You go to school. This is a Billy Joel song.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: This is a... You go to school and you figure
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: out a way to not be the oppressor. Right, right, right.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: You go, I will be different now. Yeah, it's true.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And as a real faggot, you used to have to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: be a faggot to be a faggot. You used to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: have to have sex with men. Or if you're a woman,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you have sex with women. And people were supposed to,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you know, be like, and there was some naturalness to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that because like the reaction of people was that the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: thing that you were saying was real. Right. And some
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: people were like, it was harder for them to, to,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to get behind and but you suffered legitimate oppression you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: suffered legitimate oppression because the feelings you had were valid
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and real right not non-binary it was it was it
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: was real like you were saying i put a penis
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: in my mouth and people were going that's odd As
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: my father said that because that's odd. No, I'm kidding
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: He's he's fine with everything as long as he doesn't
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: have to work harder. It's not a hard worker, but He,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: so the, the, the whole thing is this new thing
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: has taken over the gay thing now. Yeah. So it's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: not really gay people. Right. It's fake. Gay people are
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: kind of looked at as Nazis. Really? If you see
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: two lesbians now, cause lesbians usually own businesses. Um, you know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: they're usually, they're capitalists. Most lesbians are capitalists and they're
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: quite vicious. Really? They fire people. Oh, most lesbians are
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: very competent people. Whereas a lot of gay men. Ellen
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: is a CEO. Truly. She has a real estate portfolio
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that's in excess of $ 100 million. The woman was a tyrant,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: but she got things done. But now I think, gays
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and lesbians are like the normies of gays now. And
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: there's a new crop of people coming in that don't
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: really have any sex. They spend most of their time online.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: They're all like pansexual communist witches. And their main goal
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is to tweet about you. No one even fucks. They're
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: really just tweeting about you. No one's even having dirty, sweaty,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: sinful sex in a motel room anymore. Everybody's on Reddit.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: talking about you. It's a weird thing. It's weird for me.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Remember the Birdcage, the movie? It was very fun. Yeah,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I never watched it. It's great. Nichols and May wrote it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: It's brilliantly funny. It's gay people in South Beach doing drugs,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: having sex, and having fun. We're like the opposite of that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: We're like in some sexless, autistic, horror hellscape, where people
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: just sit around and there's this weird office politics, bureaucratic, weird,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you made me upset, you made me upset. I grew
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: up with Rent, where it was that show where people
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: were like, we have AIDS, but let's have fun. That
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: was the theme of Rent. It was like, we have AIDS,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but let's not let it ruin the night. And now,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: people are just upset for all kinds of reasons. It's weird.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And you don't really hate... Gay people. No. I don't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: hate anybody. Love you. Yes. No, you've been very good
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to me. Loving me is like golfing with Candace Owens
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and going, I love blacks. I love everybody, man. I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: have no ill will towards any individual group. Right. Individual people. Yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of course. And silly people. How weird is it that
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: comedy's gotten weird? Like, now at the comedy store, you
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: have all these guys that have talked shit about you, right? Now, obviously,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: many of them are feeble and diabetic and dying. So
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it's not like they present a physical threat. I mean,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: many of them are not well. But if you were, like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: is it weird now with this community the way it
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: is that's so splintered?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know who's talking shit about me. And
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the ones that do, if that is real, I left.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And I left, I brought a lot of the people here.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And it's better here. And I think there's a lot
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: of FOMO going on for sure. But then there's also
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that are trying to establish this
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: new position in the food chain. Which is one of
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the ways that you and I became friends.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Because I read the thing you wrote about Louie. Right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, he fucking nailed it. Because that's exactly
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: what it is.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: That was him.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It's these mediocre talents that are looking to attack Louie,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: who is at the time, and still is, one of
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the best comics that's ever lived. One of the most
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: brilliant comic minds that have ever lived. And so when
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: they were attacking him, they weren't just attacking him because
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: they thought that what he did was wrong.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: They were doing it because they wanted to establish that
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: they want to stomp him down because he was weak.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't even know what he did. Yeah. You know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like there was just this idea, this very kind of
• 43:30
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• 43:33
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 43:33
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• 43:35
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• 43:36
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• 43:39
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• 43:42
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• 43:48
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  Speaker 2: They think they're dancers.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, right. You know, like, oh, I'm a dancer. No, no, no.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: The real dancers are going to show you how to dance.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You and I- We should go in there. We
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: should show them how to fucking podcast. What the hell
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: are those two talking about? Nonsense. Oh, God. It's nonsense.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: It's all, like, so, like, it's so aware that people
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: are paying attention. Yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: They're so aware of, like, walking that line of acceptable
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: narratives that nobody cares about it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work. That's one thing about podcasts. The brilliant
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: thing about it is because there's no real production.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's no real.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: engineering and where a bunch of people are writing scripts
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and following that, is that it's so raw that anything
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: that's not like that doesn't work. Whereas mainstream news is
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: so produced that if you had raw on mainstream news,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: people are like, what the fuck kind of unprofessional shit
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: is this?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Like Bruce Springsteen's got to turn around to Obama during
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: it and be like, your wife's a man. Like someone
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: has to... Someone has to liven it up with fun
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, which isn't true, but it's a fun
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: way to kick off an episode. That's a QAnon one.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: They believe that. They do believe that. They're hardcore. Do
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: you ever get people that are with you on the
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Vax but then want you to go much further? Oh, yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: They're like, listen. The world's flat. Yeah, because they don't
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: stop at the facts. No. They go much further. Why
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: would you? They go hollow earth. They go hollow earth.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: They go the world is flat. Reptile people. Yeah, the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Jews are in the cupboard. Depopulation. Yeah, depopulation. The Great Reset. Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Who knows what's real and what's not real? Right.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: You go down a list of all the things that
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Alex Jones predicted.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Right. He didn't get a lot of them wrong. Well,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he did it, but he did get a few of
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: them wrong. He fucked up that Sandy Hook one. And
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: one rhymes with Mandy Mook.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: That's a real that was a that's a rough the
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: problem on if that was a bad one Let's let's
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: pretend that he never fucked that up because he was
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: going through a rough time in his life He was
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: going to a run drinking like crazy.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, essentially a psychotic. Yes I mean, he's really open
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: about but my uncle went through a rough time. He
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: just played golf through it Like sometimes you just podcast
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes you do that's a great point But sometimes you
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: just gotta go through the rough time without accusing kids
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: of faking their death. I Well, he wasn't accusing the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: kids of doing it. Accusing the parents. Whatever. He fucked up.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: He's a good man.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: The point is, if he didn't, if you just remove that,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: and then you look at all the things that he predicted.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: That are accurate. He was right about a lot of them.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: You got to look at a guy like, people are like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: why would you talk to a guy like that? Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Because, first of all, I've known him for more than
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: 20 years. He's my friend. He's a very nice guy.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: He absolutely fucked up. But he'll tell you that he
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: fucked up.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And people fuck up. And I think you've got to
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: be allowed to fuck up.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: And he did not direct the people to do the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: horrible things. No, no. These are just crazy. His fans
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: are crazy. Some of his fans are what they call,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: they're a little off. I got news for you, pal.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Some of yours are off, too. Mine as well. I
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: know it. Yeah. I know it. No avoiding that.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: But the idea that you're responsible for the off people
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that listen to you and want to start screaming at
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Meghan McCain, stop fucking your dead dad.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Well, that I tell them to do. I organize that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I have rallies.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying?
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: For sure. People are crazy. I said they wanted to
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: find a conservative on The View. I said, let me
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: go in there with the wig. I'll be the conservative
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: that left. Does any woman even want to do that anymore?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to do it anymore. Kat Timp, who was
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: a libertarian on Fox, they were trying to go hard
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: at her. But she's like, I'm on Gutfeld. I'm on
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: a show people watch. Who cares?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: They've turned that show into what they've done is they've
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: made it so that all they do is fight. All
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: they do is scream and yell. All they do is
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: get upset at people. It's all negative, it's all demeaning,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: it's all insulting. They've just gotten to this point where
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: the show has just got this feel of it.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: You only watch to see who they're mad at. Like, whoa, whoa. No,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: it's a horrible, horrible experience. for anyone watching or participating
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: in it, truly. This is what's wrong with it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: If you got five friends that just wanted to talk
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: about things like that and they didn't have time limits
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and they didn't have, like all these constraints that are
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: put on a show like that hinder the possibility of
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: it being good. Oh, for sure. All the people in
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the audience, that's a problem because you're playing to the audience.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And then you have the fact that you have a
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: commercial coming up at 45 seconds. You got to make
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: your point. And then these other bitches are trying to
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: chime in. You got to talk over them.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But they can't find a female conservative. No. I think
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to use that grandma who was
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: yelling at the Sandy Hook parents. I forget her name.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: The one who was like, prove it, you dumb fuck.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: But she was a QAnon grandma. I forget her name.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Ben knows her name. She was a QAnon grandma? Yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: she was this grandma that was in that documentary, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: she would yell at these parents. It was very sad.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: She'd be like, prove it, you dumb fuck, about their kids.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: And I think she should be on The View or
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: get Rosie O'Donnell back because she at least questioned 9-11. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: She questioned Tower 7 and a lot of other things.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Like, there's so.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: That.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Those things are like real complicated. You can't get those wrong.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: You can't get them wrong.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But there's clearly fuckery with that. Yeah. If there's
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: fuckery with the vaccine, there's fuckery with that.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly fuckery in the reaction to that because
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: we invaded Iraq. That's all you need to know. Like
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I had a whole bit about that at one point.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: It's like if you can look at what happened on
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: September 11, 2001, and then the logical- Conclusion is we
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: got to invade a country that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Had nothing to do with it. It's crazy.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It's crazy And then they did it and they said
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: well there's weapons of mass destruction there. Okay, and they
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: cost a More than a million lives and it turns
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: out there were no weapons of mass destruction.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing where I go I'm just
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: like one of those old-school guys because to show me
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: one Video the plane hitting the Pentagon and I'm good.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: See I think there is a video the plane No,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: there's looks like a fucking plane.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: What does that look like? It's a trail of smoke.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: They doctored at 9-11 the new 9-11 the new Pearl
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Harbor is a crazy documentary by the Italian guy Massimo
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Mazzucco It's five hours watch it you people have nothing
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to do and It's five hours. Is it good? It's great.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, it's a five-hour documentary on YouTube.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: You will watch it, get the fam together, sit them down, popcorn.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, because I watched it
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: to debunk it. I watched it to debunk it and went, yeah,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you start going into the flat, the phones at 30,000 feet.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: These people are having conversations. It's just not happening. Something's off.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: You can't have a cell phone call at 30,000 feet.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Something's really, really off with that day, but you just can't.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Now in these publications that write about me, they describe
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: me as like 9-11 truther, COVID denier. It's like I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: just get all these— You had COVID. How can you
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: be a denier? I've never said COVID was not real. Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: You know? I've said I thought it was good.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I've had people mad at me because I medicated,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: because I took medicine for COVID.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Well, people's argument is you're in shape, you eat right,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you work out. Why would you take the medication? Because
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: it's better than not taking medication. Of course. This stuff works.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not saying you shouldn't take medication.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: You're saying you should take medication. I'm saying you should,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: for sure, always. But especially if it's proven medication that works.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: But the point is like... you shouldn't have a binary
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: solution for things. So it's either this or nothing. It's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: either one or zero. That's crazy.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: When people pass away, they donate a large chunk of
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: their fortune to research and things like that. Do you
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: think you'll donate yours to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Dana White? Who will you give your money to? Demi Lovato.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: She's going to give it to ghosts.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, man. She used to live in my building. Fun woman. Yeah. Yeah,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it's it's straight. Do you ever think to yourself, what's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the next act? Because you've literally you're the most successful comedian.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Probably when you look at all the different things you've done,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: there's not many people that have like, what do you
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: ever go? I've done it all. And that's a little scary.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: No, no, because I don't think like that ever. The
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: crazy thing about all the different things that I've done
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: is I'm. All I've ever tried to do, like I
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: tried to become a professional comedian. I achieved that, and
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: then I started working as a professional comic. And then
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: all the other stuff is just stuff that came up,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: whether it's acting on news radio. That was just, they
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: just offered me money.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: To act in this. Do you still keep in touch
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: with Kathy Griffin? No, I would, though. No, yeah. I
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: love her. Yeah. Was she on that show or no? No. Okay,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I thought she was on that show. No, no, no, no.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin was on Just Shoot Me, right?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: No, not Just Shoot Me. It was the other one.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I forgot.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: She's nice. Yeah.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Vicky Lewis was on News Radio.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: That's who you're thinking of. Yeah, okay. I don't know.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know about her. She's redhead, too. That's maybe
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I'm getting confused here. We used to always joke around
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that she was stealing her act when we were on
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: News Radio. Oh, interesting. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joking around.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: And you worked with Phil Hartman, who was like one
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: of the funniest people ever. But again, that was just
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: like I stumbled into that show. Like completely stumbled into it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I had no acting experience. I mean, I'd done a
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: little bit of acting on another terrible sitcom that got canceled.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: That got canceled.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I'm on news radio working with
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Dave Foley and Andy Dick.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: And Phil Hartman with no acting experience. I'm like, what
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the fuck is happening here? Yeah, what's going on?
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: And then I go from that to Fear Factor. I'm like, well,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: this is going to get canceled immediately. Meanwhile, it's one
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: of the most successful reality shows ever. It's like six
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: fucking seasons. What did you learn from, like, that?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Was it just do everything and don't focus too much on, like,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: because there's, even though you're saying you're stumbling into them
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and you are stumbling into them, there's a skill to stumbling. Right?
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: There's a skill to being– position yourself in a way
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: that you can kind of get those opportunities.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: There's that, but there's also being able to handle pressure.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Like being able to handle auditions, pressure, being able to
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: handle the pressure of speaking live in front of a
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: large audience, whether it's doing the UFC broadcast or doing–
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: a comedy show or a podcast, you've got to be
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: able to handle pressure.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Right. Some people just suck at pressure. That's right.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I always put myself in these positions where I have
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: to perform under pressure because opportunities are available there because
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: so many people don't like pressure.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: So I look at it and I go, oh, people
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: are scared of this, so I'll go do that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: There's less people doing it, and it's more exciting to
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: me because it's kind of dangerous and scary.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: When you got into it, was your family like— like, oh,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this is cool, or were they like, no, what are
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you doing? What are you doing, idiot? Go to school.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Get a career. Get a real job. You're not funny.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of that.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Even when I was fighting, you're going to get hurt.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Everything I've done, what are you doing?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: If you have a child and you want your child
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: to be successful, you don't want your child to take
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: some wild, crazy fucking chance that, what is it, a
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: million to one chance it's gonna pan out? Probably more
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: than a million to one.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Was your childhood like the show Cobra Kai at Netflix
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: where you're just fighting people all the time? That's what
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I imagine it is. You're in a dojo, you have
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a sensei, you just fight the other kids at the,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I did fight a lot of people, but I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: did it mostly in tournaments, but I did fight in
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: dojos a lot.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Did you ever kill anyone? We had real dojo fights.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Not that I know of. Okay. Why were you fighting everybody?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Were they fighting you? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: We like guys would come in from other schools and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: they would challenge us. And I was often the guy
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: who got thrown in with them.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you were younger, were you bullied? What motivated you? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I was small and guys would pick on me and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I moved around a lot. Like we moved all the time.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Like I lived in San Francisco from Well, New Jersey
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: to age seven, San Francisco age seven to 11, Florida
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: 11 to 13, Boston 13 to 24. So I was
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: fucking moving constantly. So I never really established a great
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: group of friends that I was tight with. I was
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: always the new kid and I was not big. So
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I got fucked with.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Right. So you learned to defend yourself. Well, I had to.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: When I moved to Newton, I got fucked with by
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: a bunch of kids. And it was kind of scary.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to defend myself.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Like I got to do something. And so I started
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: taking martial arts and it changed my life 180 degrees.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Like turned it around 180 degrees.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden I wasn't worried about conflict anymore.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: And then I became obsessed with being like, oh, like
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: a world champion. I became obsessed with being like the.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Best that I can be. Did you have like one
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: good teacher where there's a few good teachers that stand out?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I had quite a few. Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I had quite a few, but I went, I got
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: very lucky that I went to this one school, this
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Jaehyun Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston. That's like one of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: the most highly respected schools in the country at the time,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: at least. And it was just dead lucky, just dead luck.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I just happened to go there one day.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: And I happened to go there while this guy, John Lee,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: was training for the world championships. And I happened to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: watch him train like when he was at his peak
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of condition, when he was a national champ. And and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I became obsessed. And I was there every day. So
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: most of my high school from like age 15 all
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: the way until I was 21 was just obsessed with
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: martial arts and competing. Traveling all over the country, that's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: mostly what I did.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: And your friends, I guess, were people in that world. Yes.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Some of them, like my friend Steve Graham, I'm still
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: really tight with.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what makes you go from that to comedy?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of an interesting transition. Fear of brain damage. Right.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of that.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Because I was definitely aware that I was getting hit
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: in the head too much. Especially when I started kickboxing.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I had three kickboxing fights. And when I was training
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: for kickboxing, which I did for more than a year,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of getting hit in the head.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of hard sparring rounds. And then
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I was also watching a lot of other people that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I saw that had brain damage.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, ugh.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Like, this guy's not who he used to be. Like,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: he's slipping. And then I realized, like, oh, my God,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: this is happening to me. And there was no money
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: There was no UFC back then.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: So this is 1988, 89. So you're like, you got
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: to get out. Yeah, I had to get out.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: And I had to get out soon before I ruined
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: my brain, you know. And then also, fortunately, my friend
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Steve that I was talking about earlier, he was one
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: of the people that told me I should be a comedian.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Because we would go on these trips to go to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: fight in.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Tournaments, right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: Oftentimes we'd be on a bus or we'd travel by
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: car together and we'd be bored. And I would be
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: the one who made everybody laugh. And so like if
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: we were like getting ready to spar, everybody would be
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: super nervous. And I would say the most inappropriate shit
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: and get laughs out of people. And once I knew
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: that I could get laughs, then I would just try
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: to do it. Whenever I knew people were nervous, I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: would say the inappropriate thing or do impressions of people.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Impressions of like our instructor having sex, right?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: So you just established yourself as kind of the funny
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: dude silly.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah Like it was gallows humor because everyone was so
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: scared and it was also would alleviate some of the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: pressure of like getting Scared before you go to a tournament.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: We're all scared right, you know, and so my friend
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Steve said you really should be a fucking comedian Yeah,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: man You think I'm funny because you like me. I go,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: other people are going to think I'm an asshole.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: And he's like, you should just go and just see
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: an open mic night and try it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: And so I did.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I went to an open mic night.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Were you hooked on night one?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Richard Jenney had a great point.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: He goes, horrible comedians are amazing in that they inspire
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: people to try it. Because you look at someone who's
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: terrible and you go, well.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I can't be as bad as that guy. Right.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: I'll give it a shot. Right. And that's what open
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: mic night was to me.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I had thought of stand-up like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: I thought, like, I can't do that.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: These guys are too good.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: But then you go to open mic night and you go, oh,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: some of these people are terrible.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Right. And they're doing it.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: And, like, I can kind of do it like they're
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: doing it, maybe a little better than them. Maybe I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: could do this. And then on the same night, like,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: there was, like, Jonathan Katz was the host of the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: open mic night from Dr.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Katz. In Boston. Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: He was the host of open mic night the first
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: time I ever went on stage. And then on that night,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: some other real professionals went on, like Teddy Bergeron went on,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: and I got to see him go on, and I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: got hooked immediately. So I did my first set, and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: then I almost chickened out. I got really close to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: chickening out. Oh my God, I came that close to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: pussying out. And then once I did it, I was hooked.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: And then I started doing it all the time.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: And you got successful pretty quick. Pretty quick, yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Luckily in Boston, you could get work pretty quick. So
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: within one year of doing open mic nights, and Fitzsimmons
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: and I started out together. And Greg and I would
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: drive together to Rhode Island to do 10 minutes.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: So we'd drive 90 minutes to 10 minutes. What year
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: was that?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: 88. Wow. Yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: We both started in 88. We both started within a week.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Of each other. So you would go to comedy. Everybody's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes. Oh, yeah. It was the old school. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Bars were filled with cigarette smokes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: There was no idea. There was no non-smoking.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Yeah.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Just everything smoked.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Everything had smoking. And everyone smoked.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Right. It was crazy. And people just, you would, you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: would go up, do the 10 minutes, sink or swim,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: killer bomb. And then you would be back on the road. Yep.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: And then we would try to go to different places.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Like we would go to a couple of different spots
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: at night if we could, you know, sometimes we knew
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: another guy, went another room.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Did you know back then, would you look at certain
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: people and go, that guy's going to make it?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: A lot of people I thought were going to make
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: it that didn't.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: And what do you attribute a lot of that to?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Why do you think a lot of funny people– because
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen that now. I've been doing it about 11 years,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: probably almost 12 years now. A lot of people, I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: was like, that person was really funny. Yeah. And they
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: didn't get to that next level. I don't know, man. Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I don't– I mean, I think there's a bunch of factors.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is drinking.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: That's one. A little too much sometimes. Drugs. Drinking or drugs.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: That could be it.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: But it's also there's psychology involved.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The mind games that the unknown and the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: uncertain play on people, sometimes people just crack. That's right.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: They just can't take it anymore. Just like we were
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: talking about fame.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: People crack under fame. Like they get to a certain
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: point where they can't handle this anymore.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: They can't handle it. They crack. They don't know what's real. Right.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: They crack under that. They crack under the pressure of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: not knowing if they're going to make it. I mean,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: I've seen that in actors, too. Like, I've been friends
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: with actors that were like, they'd get on a show,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: and then, you know, they'd audition for another show, and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: then maybe not make it, but maybe have like another
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: callback for the thing, and they're always in flux. And
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: they would go crazy, because they didn't know, like, what
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: am I doing with my life?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: What is happening?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Is this gonna work out? And they'd start crying and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: freaking out. Just the uncertainty and the unknown. For some people,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: it's just too much. Some of them are really fucking talented.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Some of them are really funny. And then there's a
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: lot of people that are somewhat mediocre, but they have
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: mastered the unknown. Well, there's delusional. Yeah, there's crazy people
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: out there that can channel that into certitude. And then
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: they start convincing themselves, like they've convinced themselves they're great,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: And then they start convincing everyone else. And it's kind
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: of like The Emperor Has No Clothes where everyone's like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I guess they're great. Well, I don't even know about that.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: But one thing that some mediocre people do is they're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: not funny at all, but they've managed to stay around.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Like here they are 10 years later, 15 years later.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: He's still here. He's still going up, hosting that show.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Still doing it. Still doing it. It's weird. Do you
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: think people that are starting comedy now– are, is it
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: going to be a completely different world where I tend
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: to think now people that are starting are going to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: have to go to the internet and, and almost the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: same way that you were taking a beating at open
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: mics and things like that. They're almost going to have
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: to take a beating online in front of a digital
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: audience to build their thing because the the mainstream or
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the legacy industry of comedy seems to be dying. Even
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: though they'll be getting good at stand-up on the side,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: if they don't have other components.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by the mainstream of comedy is dying?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Meaning that the idea of moving to New York or
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: LA and doing 20 sets a week, and then getting
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: the Montreal Comedy Festival, and then getting the booker at
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the club to see you and like you, and then
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: getting a special on HBO, all that seems to be dying.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I know so many people with hour specials and nobody's
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: watching them, right? Or so many people with late night
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: TV shows, like they're hosting them and no one cares. Yeah,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: that's true. And they're not making that much money. And
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: it seems to be a smaller and smaller circle of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: people that this is mattering to. Every day the Internet's expanding.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: It seems to be getting bigger and bigger. And the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: people that have a platform online, a digital platform, seem
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: to be getting more and more attention. So to me,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: isn't there an inevitable shift coming to where comics really
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: are just going to have to compete online? digitally?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: I think the digital aspect of it is the best
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: way to promote themselves for sure. Whether it's through putting
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: their stuff online on a YouTube or a Rumble.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Or Instagram or whatever they're doing. Or Getter, which you're
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: now on. You're on Getter. That's a news story. Why
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: is it a news story? Chinese Communist Party now, I believe. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: It's a news story that you're on Getter.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the news story is their fucking amount of people
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: that signed up increased by 1,150% or something.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You have like 20, you have like 8, 9
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: million followers on getter. Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: It's not real though.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Is it not real?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even have 9 million people.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: No. Really? Yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: It's, it's very, it's a lot of fuckery with that.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: This is where the fuckery is. They take all my
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Twitter followers. So I, my Twitter follows like 7.8 million
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: and then they port those over. So I started out
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: with 7.8 million. So whatever I have now, if I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: have eight, It's like, really, I have 200,000.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: So Getter is Fugazi. Fugazi. As they say. Definitely Fugazi.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: And every time I post on Twitter, it posts automatically
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: on Getter.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's automatically done.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Weird. So it's just harvesting your tweets. And I don't
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: know how to get off.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Like if I get off of Getter, I don't know.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: You have to sit down with Marjorie Taylor Greene personally. Yes.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: And she's got to tell me all about what's in
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: the basement at Common Pizza.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: She's got to take you down the rabbit hole. Then
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: you come out the other side of Getter. But yeah,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: it seems to me that the business is kind of dying.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: You don't think it is? No, no, I disagree. You
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: prove it is. No, no, no.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: That aspect of the business, as far as like Montreal
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Comedy Festival and stuff like that being beneficial.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: That's dying. But podcasts have taken their place. And comedians
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: now like Brian Simpson, who's got his new Netflix special.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Brilliant. One of the best.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's working with me this weekend at Vulcan.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I love him to death. And now that he has
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: this huge Netflix special that killed, and he's been on
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: my podcast a couple of times, he's got a career.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Right. He's killing it. Right.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: And he will continue to kill it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: So this is where the conversation's gone.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: But he's not as big as Ranboo. So my point
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: is that. Who's that? Ranboo's a Minecraft streamer, Joe. Stop
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: pretending you don't know who he is. Is that real? Yeah,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: he's a Minecraft streamer. My point is that things are
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: moving quickly.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: We can't compare ourselves to Minecraft streamers.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I understand that, but I'm just saying, yes, we can.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I was in the new bookstore the other day and Dr.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Disrespect has a book. Mr. Beast has a burger. Well, Mr.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Beast deserves a burger. He's a brilliant guy. He's got
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: a great show. Is it good? It's a great show. Yeah,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: he does a great show. He's a visionary guy.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: It's a smart thing that he does. He spends a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: shitload of money on his show.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean. These are the new stars.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Well, that's just in that world, but those are the
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: new stars in terms of like, he would be a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: reality TV star like 10 years ago.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Now he's a YouTube star, but now he's his own
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: fucking boss and he's doing it the right way, which
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: is why it's so successful. The same thing with your podcast.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Imagine a world where an executive bankrolls your podcast. And says, oh,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: are you going to sit together with your friend Ben
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: and you're going to wear cop sunglasses?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: And you're going to talk shit about the whole world?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What are you talking about? Yes.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: You want me to pay for that?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I get to give several executives that would fund it,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: but they're all disgraced. Angelo Mazzillo at Country Ride, Dick
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Fold at Lehman Brothers. Exactly. Yeah. No, for sure.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: It's like the world has changed, but there are new
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: avenues that are available.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Right. But. the world of comedy remains in clubs. Like,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: you must- Yes, that is true. You must- You gotta
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: be able to get on stage and kill. Right. And
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: we both- Yeah.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: That is the most important- one of the most important things.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not giving that up. Like, stand-up is
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: fucking awesome, and- Yes. That is always gonna be a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: thing that I like to see, and it's always gonna
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: be a thing that I like to do, and it's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: always gonna be a thing where people want to go
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: see a comic.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: They wanna go live, it's a fun thing to do.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: But don't you wanna get to the point where people
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: know you so well from the internet, That when you
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: get on stage, they just clap for 45 minutes. You
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: don't even have to write material. And then you can
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: just leave. You can kind of wave like Princess Diana
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: used to do. I don't think that ever happens.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think you ever get that.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: No, of course not.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I feel the heat after about 15 seconds.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Of course not. No, of course you do. I get
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: nervous as soon as I walk on stage. I get
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the mic. I go... It's the biggest high you ever have,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: it's the best thing, it's the best art form. It's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: also the.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Best thing for the audience, like in terms of me
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: as an audience member, I love watching someone kill, it's fun.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: When I laugh hard, like I'm laughing hard at someone killing.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: But you're also from a generation of people that leaves
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: their house.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: There's a whole generation of people that are scared to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: leave the room, let alone the house.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: My audience dies of old age or quit.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: You have to keep evolving. You should be on Twitch.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: You should be streaming. I'm on Spotify. You're a young man.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: That's my evolution. You can keep going. Where's my deal?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: What did they tell us? Fuck off for the ninth time?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Why are they telling you to fuck off? I attacked
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: the CEO. I said he was a pedophile. It was
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: a joke. That's It's not real. No one can have
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: fun anymore. I think he said, I'm a pedophile too. Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I did that, but I said
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: that the CEO was something or other. And so he's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: mad at you? No, he's not mad, but apparently because
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: they have you, they don't need me. Yeah. Because we
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: have overlap and they're still going by the old- They
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: should get you. They're still going by the old numbers
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: that say that this show's bigger than mine. Those are
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: the old numbers. That's last week. This show's not even
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: on YouTube anymore. I keep telling them. It's true. It's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: not even on YouTube. They go, oh, no, it doesn't matter.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: We have the internals in your bed.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Honestly, the beautiful thing about Spotify has been the lack
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: of censorship and the lack of fear of having episodes
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: pulled and all that shit.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Spotify has been amazing. And in the beginning, people thought
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: they were going to be worse than YouTube. They've actually, conversely,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: been so much better.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been so much better. I think that's just
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: because people are always– they hate change. They hate any
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: kind of like new– That's right. Thing that's happening. And
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: you know also it's like they hate they hate someone
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: doing well So someone gets some crazy deal and they're
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: making all this money.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Like God sucks now. I used to watch now. I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: hate it Yeah, fuck. It's the world. She's sold out normal.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: It's not right So and also in the beginning I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: did lose a lot. We lost like 50% of our
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: audience like almost right away Yeah, Jamie was in a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: frothy panic Really?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Look at him. Well, he's got so many other opportunities.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Frothy panic. Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: But a year later, we've got as much, if not more.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: We have more now.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: And it's bigger than it's ever been.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: It just had to catch up.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: This is just what happens immediately.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, good, let me be 10% less famous.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: I'll be happy for 25. Give me 25% less fame
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: and more money.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not the way it's worked out. Yeah, well,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that's funny that you said that. You're like, let's be
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: a little less controversial, a little less famous. And then
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: on the other side of it, you have Fauci trying
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: to drone you outside of your house. It didn't really work. Well,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: they're coming for him now. Yeah. Oh, my God. You
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: think so? Oh, yeah. People are coming for him.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: They hailed him and nailed him.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Look at the Cuomos. Yes. They hell you and hell
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: you like the Cuomo's. Well, that's a different situation. Right.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: But the Fauci situation after Rand Paul attacked him for
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: gain of function research and then people started looking into
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: gain of function research. And it all came from Josh
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Rogin's reporting. And Josh Rogin, he was the one who
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: showed that Fauci funding the EcoHealth Alliance, that the NIH
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: funding them is what started up. Gain-of-function research in Wuhan
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: like after Obama had put the kibosh on it Yeah,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: and he's like still in denial, but the NIH has
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: come clean NIH has said yes It's gain-of-function research and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Fauci's like gain-of-function research is a very nebulous term He
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: talks so slow.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: He gets off to diseases. The guy's a problem. It's amazing.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: He is like the way he handles a Where he's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: obviously cornered.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Right. And he just like jujitsu's his way. Well, he's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: also been a government guy forever. Forever. He's been a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: bureaucrat forever.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: The highest paid government employee.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's paid more than the president. Yeah. And
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: they did a documentary about him and he's very vain.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: The documentary about him is the reason they took the
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: thumbs down off of YouTube.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: It's crazy how vain he is. Of course. You know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: and how... You know, unwilling he is to give up
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: the spotlight, even when, as you showed me that Hugh
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Hewitt clip, people are like, you know, you might accomplish
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the goal of getting more people vaccinated by stepping aside. Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Because you're not well liked or trusted.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: And it's crazy to watch him react to that.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're crazy. You're crazy. I completely disagree. Yeah. It's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: my show. If you criticize Anthony Fauci, you're criticizing Zion.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Would you have Billy Boy Gates on? 100%. Yeah. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I think that would be interesting.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I'd say, how do I get in the club?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: What do I have to do?
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Well, it's about that time. You're knocking on that door.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: How do I get a yacht? Dude, what if you
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: just reversed everything you said tomorrow? Like, it would be
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: kind of hilarious. Turn around. If you just went in
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: here tomorrow and go, you know, I slept on it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: And I've decided- I got double vaxxed last night. Yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: You go, I got double vaxxed last night. I took
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: both shots at the same time. I had a great sleep.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: And I have the CEO of Pfizer and Moderna here
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: and Hillary Clinton. Yeah. And we're all going to tell
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: you everything's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's the move. Does
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: it scare you to be at the level of prominence
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: you are with like a family just the idea of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like as the kids grow up and they hear things
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: on the news does it is it harder for you
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: to explain to them is what I do yeah I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: mean it's it's not easy to explain but nor would
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: it be easy to explain if I was a hitman
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, well, those aren't the.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Only two options of that's how I live. I have one,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: one or two choices. Either I go out.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Like the punisher. Right. But so do they ever ask
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: or is it, are they not? Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: They think it's funny. Like, but they think it's funny
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: cause I think it's funny.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Like when I come home, like daddy's in trouble again.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, the government's mad at daddy. Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: You know, like they don't, I guess if I really tweaked,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: they would probably tweak too.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: But you set that standard of like this is part
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: of the job, part of the business.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: It's part of the gig, man. It's that if you
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: can't take the heat expression.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Right. Shouldn't be in this business. Right. Absolutely.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: It's the business of opinions. We're in the business of opinions.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: And it's a weird fucking business because people, it's hard
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: for people to have opinions today because of corporate structures,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: human resources. You know, you want to make it up
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: the corporate ladder and there's an ideology that your company has.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: And if it's left wing or right wing, you have
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: to toe that line. Like it's fucking hard for people
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: to just have opinions. And even if they do have opinions,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: when do they have the time to talk about it?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: The thing about talking about opinions like we do, we
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: sit and talk for hours and hours. Nobody has the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: time to do that.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: What have you learned, I think, through this whole period,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: not only just the last year, but the last few
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: years about the way that. friendships work at your level
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: because everybody wants something from you, right? You have this platform.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: You can share it with people. Everybody wants to get
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: on the show. Everybody wants maybe you to endorse their...
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I have friends who call me like, yo, tell Joe
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: about this weed opportunity. I'm like, are you... on drugs
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: and they are, but like, how do you deal with
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: just that?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Whereas all these different people, I have to say no
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: to a lot of things.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: You say no to a lot of people.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: And sometimes, yeah. And sometimes it's uncomfortable. Like sometimes people
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: won't let it go.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: And you know, and you said people will come at
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: you all different ways, friends, your wife, everybody just trying
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: to get in there. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's, uh, it's an issue.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: I changed my phone number a lot.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I've got to change it again.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: You know, right.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Changed it last year. I got to change it again.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: And I have several phones. I have four phones now.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: I used to have three. Now I have four. That's crazy.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: I have A, B, C, and D.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: You're A. Congratulations. Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: You're the phone I carry. Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that I'll check their...
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I check that phone once a week.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. And maybe not even. Sometimes not even. Who's
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the best guest you've had other than me in the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: last seven or eight years, would you say? There's so
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: many good ones, man. Yeah. Is there anything... I mean...
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: So many serious ones, so many funny ones. What stands
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: out in my head is... Peterson, classic. Yeah, he's awesome.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Bob Lazar. Oh, yeah, that was a great one. That's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: a great episode. I don't know if he's full of
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: shit or not. Mike Tyson's great. I've had a lot
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: of great ones, man. Elon. Elon is always a great one.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: And Alex.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex is great. I've had so many great ones,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: so many comics. One of the things that we've been
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: doing is me, Shane Gillis, Mark Norman, and Ari Shaffir.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: We do this thing called the cuddle party.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Where the four of us, we get fucking hammered.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: That's great. And talk the most shit. That's great. And
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: then afterwards, like, panic. Like, maybe we should cut that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: part out. Oh, that's the best. That's when you know
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: it's good. That's when you know an episode is good.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Gillis was hammered.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: We've only had one person, and it was Giannis Papas,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: come on our show where we couldn't use any of it.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Because he just starts attacking, screaming about Ali Wong. I mean,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: he's mentally ill. We love him, but he's unwell, and
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: we know that. He's had too many heroes. Yeah, and
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: so we just couldn't use it, but God love him.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, those are when you know they're good episodes.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the ones with comics are my favorite because
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: I feel the most at home. I mean, look, I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: wear a lot of different hats, for lack of a
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: better term, when I do this thing. It's very strange.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes I'm talking to a scientist. Sometimes I'm talking
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: to someone who wrote a book about the environment. Sometimes
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to a psychologist. Sometimes I'm talking to a comedian.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm talking to a fighter. Sometimes I'm talking to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: an inventor. It's like weird. It's a weird gig, man.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: And it's only me that's booking them. It's like, that
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: guy looks like fun.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: How do people get on? People ask me all the time.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: They go, how does somebody get on that? I seek
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: people out. I said, yeah, I think I'm like, he
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: just has to want you to come on. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: There's no other way on. Right.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: I have to say yes. Like, there's literally no other
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: way on.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also giving me $ 25, 000. And what that'll do
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: is increase the likelihood. It'll help. It'll help. Yeah. But
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: it's not an exact.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I have done that once.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Really? Yes.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't take the money, but he paid a friend.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: My friend was broke. And he told me, hey, this
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: guy told me that if I get him on your podcast,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: he'll give me $ 25, 000. That was the exact number.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: And I said, listen. I said, I would have that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: guy on anyway, because he's really interesting.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: So, yes.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I love you, so you take the money, and then
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I'll have him on. I would just let you know,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: I would have had him on anyway, but don't tell
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: him that, and get that money.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Good for you. But yeah, there's no way on. There's just,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: you have to be interested in what somebody is saying.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: That's one of the beauties of the podcast, is that
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: it's only what I'm interested in.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: So whether it's.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Talking to Bob Lazar, or talking to a fighter, or
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: talking to an artist... you know, like people, like it's only,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I have to be interested. And I'm like, oh, I'd
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: like to talk to that guy or Oliver Stone who
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: was on today. I was like, Oliver Stone wanted to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: come on. And I don't know if you've seen his
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: new fucking Kennedy documentary.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. Holy shit. I haven't seen it, but it's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: fucking amazing. And he goes deep.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: And there's a four hour one that's coming out at
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: the end of, it's on Showtime right now until the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: end of February. At the end of February, it's everywhere.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: And he's going to release a four hour version.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking fantastic.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: So this will leave no doubt that it's a coup. Oh,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: my God. There's no doubt with the two-hour one. But
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: he says it's even deeper with the four-hour one. With
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: the four-hour one. But, like, having Oliver Stone on, like,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: fuck yeah. Quentin Tarantino.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. Those kind of people. It's like, it's just
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: who I'm interested in. Can I talk to that person? Yeah,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: let's get him.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Go get him. Let's get him. Let's do it. That's
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why the podcast works
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: is because there's never a moment, like, you remember that
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Bill Hicks bit about Jay Leno?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Sitting there talking to Joey Lawrence. And his blood splatters
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: like the NBC peacock. Because he's a company man to
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: the bitter end. But it's that Jay Leno really didn't
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: want to talk to these guys. That's the bit.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, Joey Lawrence.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: You got a girlfriend? What's going on? Well, maybe. You
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: talk to people you want to talk to. Exactly.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: No one gets on unless I'm interested.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: And so much of the rage I think at you
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: is that you've really found this way to monetize enjoying stuff.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: And satiating your curiosity and having these long, meaningful conversations.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: And you've revolutionized the long-form discussion. And all of these
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: other media figures that supposedly could have done it or
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: fancy themselves to be intellectuals and to be, none of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: them did it. You did it. A comedian, an MMA commentator,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: you did it. None of them did it. It's weird.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of the rage at you
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: comes from that. It's that you took a chance on yourself,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: and it worked out, and none of them did.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's weird, too, in that it became long form
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: just because that's what I wanted to do. Ari was
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: the fucking most adamant person telling me.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: You got to change it. You got to edit it.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: He would tell me, I'm telling you right now, you're
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: fucking up.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: I go, how am I fucking up? He goes, you
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: gotta edit your show, it's too long. I go, well
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: then don't listen. When he goes, people won't listen, you go,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: they don't have to. Yeah, I'm like, I don't care.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I was making no money. I was making zero dollars,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: and I was doing it every week.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: And it got to the point where there was one
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: time when me and Red Band were sitting around, and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: he goes, Do you know how many downloads this gets?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I go, no.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: And he goes, that episode got a million downloads. And
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: it was like a record skip.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I go, what? What? Yeah. What? A million downloads.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Ari has great advice. He told me once that I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: should put out a tweet about Kobe Bryant, and I didn't.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: So thank God. So sometimes he is wrong. Sometimes. Sometimes
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: he's wrong. Yeah.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: He's a funny guy. But have you ever seen his
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: dick and balls?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Every day. I mean, I let him stay at my
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: rental in Texas. He sent me this video. I mean,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: all he does is expose himself indecently.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: His balls don't look like they'll belong with his dick.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: I told him that his balls seem like his dick
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: is a hermit crab and stole his balls from someone
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: else and they're living inside of it.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: He's completely out of his mind. I live in Moran,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: and I thought about you. You're one of my best friends.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Look at those balls. It's insane. They're so big. It's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: like elephantitis. They're like a giant chimp. Yeah. It's like elephantitis.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. That's what it's like. How does a family
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: like Texas? Love it. They love it. Yeah, they love it.
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  Speaker 1: They love it. Yeah, man. It's fucking great here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People are so much more relaxed. And what I think
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: is really important, what I'm doing here... with the club
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: and the podcast here is I'm completely removing myself from
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: the influence of Hollywood. Because when you're in L.A., you're still.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: In it. You're still in it. It's contagious. Yeah. It's
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: in the air. You're like, oh, I got it on me.
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  Speaker 1: Like that disingenuous bullshit. Right.
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  Speaker 2: For, you know, that fake sort of behavior that they do.
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  Speaker 2: That stuff gets into our business.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We have those actor types that kind of like they.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Dance in both worlds. Yeah. And they have like one
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  Speaker 1: foot in the.
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  Speaker 2: Actor world and then they'll tweet about stuff. Yeah, fuck
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  Speaker 2: are you? About that right because they're in these both
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: worlds and that world it contaminates things right and comedy
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: is needs to have its own center where it's like
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: comedy is 100% the thing. It's not comedy to become
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  Speaker 2: a sitcom star. I want to tell young comics and
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  Speaker 2: I want to help them and say, hey, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do anything else. You can just do comedy.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to have anybody hire you for something.
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  Speaker 2: You can be completely autonomous and you could have all
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: this like, freedom to do podcasts, do other people's podcasts,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: and we all will work together as an organic network.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: And you can just practice stand-up.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Right. Which is what everybody loves. Right.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Everybody loves stand-up. You do those other things because you
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: think that's what you have to do for a career.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately, I remember being On news radio. I remember
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: being on Fear Factor in particular and seeing people that
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I knew that I started out with. They were killing
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: it in theaters and they.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Were on the road all the time. And I would
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: be jealous. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd be like, God, I wish I was doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I was trapped. Not trapped, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good trap.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: But I was doing a show and I was like,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: I can't travel.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I have this show I have to do all the time.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: I could travel very rarely.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, God, this like cements in my
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: head that I really love stand up.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I love money.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: What's nice about money is you don't have to worry
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: about money. Because if you don't have money, then you
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: worry about money. But if you can have a clear head,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: and once you get money, don't think, oh, my God,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't go away. Now I have to
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: play everything safe, and I have to really play by
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: the rules so I get more of this Hollywood money. Instead,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: what I did was go, okay, good. Now I've got
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: some money. Now I can just be free. Now I'm
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: going to just do what I want to do.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: The podcast thing came out of that because it was
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: completely organic. There was no thought whatsoever about it being profitable.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Zero. Yeah. And the club, you're going to open in
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: a few months, and then a lot of people will
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: come probably to the club from other places, too. Well,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I hope so. Because you have a huge fan base,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: and people will come.
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  Speaker 2: The goal is to be as supportive as possible of
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: the stand-up community.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: To make an awesome place where comics, where audiences can come,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: have a great time. Comics can come and know they're safe.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: They're going to have fun there.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: But you are going to require the booster.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Everyone gets boosted before you go on stage. Every time.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I think there's a waning period where people are like, well,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: the vaccine effectiveness has dropped off. Maybe if you keep
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: hitting people, it'll come back. Just boost them every fucking week.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: And maybe if you die, you were supposed to. I mean,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: people are always saying that the roads are too crowded here.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: But what if we boost a lot of people?
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: And whack a few. I mean, that makes a lot
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: of sense. I want to thank you for taking your time.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: My pleasure. You're a busy guy. Ben's going to get you,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: we promise you, $ 50. Ben, go to the ATM, get
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: him the money. I want to thank you.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being one of these
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: new up-and-coming people that's very exciting and I think you're
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: paving the way for a lot of people that are
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: seeing what you're doing, seeing you're courageous, you're a wild motherfucker,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: you take chances, you're smart.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. Well, thank you for doing this.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to be your friend.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I am happy to be your friend and Thank
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you for giving me the strength to be a gamer
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: and be trans. Good night. Thank you. Thank you, Joe.