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Elon Musk Fires Back at OpenAI - Releases GROk to open source community · Elon Musk Podcast

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  Hey everybody, welcome back to the Elon Musk podcast.
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  notes. Elon Musk has announced that his
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  AI venture Xai will release its ChatGPT competitor Grok to the
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  open source public domain this week.
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  It's a strategic move by Musk, who has consistently criticized
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  Open AI's profit driven use of AI technology, and it marks a
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  shift in AI development and accessibility for a large
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  language model like Grok. And by open sourcing.
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  Grok XAI is set to join the ranks of companies like Meta and
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  Mistral, which have already made their AI models freely available
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  for modification and use by everybody.
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  And the decision to make Grok open source comes on the heels
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  of Musk's legal action against Open AIA company HE.
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  Co founded but departed. From in 2018 and Musk's lawsuit
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  accuses Open AI of straying from its nonprofit roots and original
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  mission, alleging that it has instead pursued profit
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  maximization, particularly following its collaboration with
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  Microsoft. Now the legal confrontation has
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  sparked a big debate in the tech community and what are the
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  merits and the risks of open sourcing AI technologies as
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  opposed to keeping them closed sourced and for profit?
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  While Musk. 'S Critique of Open AIS
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  transformation centers around it's shift from an open source
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  nonprofit organization to what he perceives as a profit focused
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  entity closely aligned with Microsoft.
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  How? According to Musk, this
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  contradicts open AI stated commitment to developing AI that
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  benefits humanity at large, the lawsuit, and Musk's vocal
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  criticisms. Highlight the growing.
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  Tensions between ideals of open innovation and the realities of
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  funding and profiting from advanced AI research.
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  Now, myself, I'm an open source kind of guy.
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  I'm a developer. I've been developed apps for
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  companies that have gotten millions and millions of uses,
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  and I've open sourced some of my technology that large
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  corporations have used. So I'm a proponent of open
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  source. I'm also a proponent of
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  capitalism and making money. And so I understand the two
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  points that are being discussed here, but the announcement of
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  Grok's open sourcing was made by Moscone X.
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  Of course, it used to be Twitter, and it's challenging
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  Open AI directly and other leading AI developers.
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  And by offering Grok as an open source tool, Xai aims to
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  democratize access to advanced AI, potentially fostering a more
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  inclusive, innovative field of AI development that's not
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  confined by the commercial interest of a few dominant
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  players. It opens up the playing field
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  now. The debate over open sourcing AI
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  is not new, but has gained fresh momentum in light of Musk's
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  lawsuit against open AI, and proponents argue that Open
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  Access to AI technologies can accelerate innovation and
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  application across diverse fields.
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  However, there's significant concerns about the potential
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  misuse of open source AI, including fears that it could be
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  exploited for harmful purposes such as terrorism or the
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  development of uncontrollable AI entities.
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  Now Musk's vision for AI governance includes the creation
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  of a third party oversight body, a concept he advocated for at
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  least last year's AI safety summit in the UK.
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  And such an organization would monitor AI development across
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  the industry, providing a check against potentially dangerous or
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  unethical applications of the tech.
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  This proposal reflects Musk's ongoing concerns about ethics
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  and safety implications of unchecked AI.
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  Now Musk and Xai and also Grok were driven by his desire for
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  the alternative to the AI development models pursued by
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  Open AI and Google and Microsoft and larger companies.
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  And Musk aims for XAI to embody a commitment to maximum truth
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  seeking AI, he says, a goal that underpins the decision to open
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  source Grok and engage a wider community.
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  This development and application.
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  Now, Musk's position on open source AI was further clarified
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  in a conversation with Lex Friedman last November, though,
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  where he lamented the development of open AI from its
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  original open source ethos. Scathing and his remarks under
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  score this tension between the fundamental principles of open
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  AI and its current operational model, which Musk's perceived as
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  overly profit driven and restrictive in terms of access
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  to AI technologies. Now this lawsuit against Open AI
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  presents a pivotal moment in Musk's long standing
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  relationship with the organization.
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  Having been a founding member himself, Musk's departure from
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  the board in 2018 was a huge turning point for the company,
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  leading to his current adversarial stance.
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  His legal challenge raises important questions, though,
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  about the commitments and responsibility of AI
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  organizations and their alignment with broader societal
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  interests. Open A is response to Musk's
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  lawsuit has been to assert its continued dedication to
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  developing AI in a matter that benefits humanity as a whole.
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  The organization argues that the scale resources required for
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  advanced AI development necessitated the shift for a for
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  profit model, a decision that Musk was purportedly in
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  agreement with in 2017. Now this defense highlights the
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  complex balance between Musk's ideals of open sourcing AI tech,
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  but also the necessity, the absolute necessity of the money
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  that you need to buy these chipsets.
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  The NVIDIA GPU is that you need to drive the way that these
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  things function. It costs a lot of money, and
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  sometimes open sourcing technology doesn't make you any
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  money, and most of the time that's the case.
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  Now to make money. Open AI has different business
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  models, but Elon Musk thinks they should be completely open
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  and no privatization of it, and no way to capitalize on the
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  finances of the people like myself who pay for Open AI.
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  And the legal battle between Musk and Open AI is also
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  complicated by the definitions and expectations surrounding
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  artificial general intelligence. Proves that Open AI has deviated
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  from its mission involving open sourcing everything, and they're
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  demonstrating that ChatGPT 4 or its successors constitute AGI, a
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  challenging task given that the current state of AI technology
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  and the evolving understanding of what actually AGI entails.
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  Now, the controversy surrounding Open AI's direction and Musk's
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  lawsuit could have broader implications on the AI industry,
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  potentially affecting Open AI's market position and the trust of
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  its customers and partners. I don't think it's going to
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  really do that much, though I I think they're going to be
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  competitors. In a weird way, I think Elon is
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  more competitive than Sam Altman about this.
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  Sam knows his role. He knows what's going on and
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  working with Microsoft, he almost has an infinite amount of
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  money and capital coming into the organization, so we won't
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  really have to worry about that. And the recent turmoil within
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  Open AI, including the temporary dismissal of Sam Altman, has
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  already raised concerns amongst stakeholders about the
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  organization's stability and the governance.
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  But Sam is back back on the board.
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  And amidst these developments, Musk continues to use his
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  platform on X to critique Open AI, of course, and advocate for
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  a more open approach to AI development.
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  His interactions with users on the platform reflects strong
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  opinions on the need for transparency and accessibility
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  in AI, as well as his skepticisms towards Open AIS
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  current trajectory. Now, I want you to think about
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  this for a moment. Do you think Elon is kind of mad
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  about being booted from Open AI because he he's gone in 2018?
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  That's something you have to think about.
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  You can't just sit back and accept things the way that they
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  are. There's really no reason for
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  Elon to lie to us, right? But could he be upset that he's
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  not part of Open AI now? Seeing all of their current
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  success and how far ahead they are than a lot of the other AI
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  technologies out there? There's a possibility.
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  I just want to keep that open, make sure that you keep an open
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  to mind about these things because you never know what's
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  going on behind the scenes. And Grok.
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  And the way that Elon is expressing that he wants to take
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  everything open source now, which he didn't before, he
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  didn't say anything about that before, Why would he do that?
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  So I just think about that. Could it be the reason?
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  Could be maybe, maybe he likes the idea of open AI.
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  You know, ChatGPT is not open for a paying customer, it's not
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  open. You can do numerous things with
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  a paid account. ChatGPT is open to the public.
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  You can use it whenever you want to.
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  There are limitations, but I mean, it's a free tool for
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  everybody to use. But they don't open source their
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  code, and that's where Elon is different than Open AI.
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  He's going to open source the code, apparently.
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  We don't know how much he's going to open source though.
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  So he could open source 100% of this and give everybody a free
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  license to do whatever they want with Grok.
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  Or he could open source certain segments of the code if he does
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  the certain segments. And it's not really open source
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  in my opinion as an open source developer myself.
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  If you're going to open source something, open source the whole
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  thing, make a tool for somebody, make the whole tool available to
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  everybody. So the way that he open sources,
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  this is going to be a very, very interesting tell on what he's
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  interested in. Could he be just opening, open
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  sourcing, something to throw in Sam Altman and open the eyes
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  face? There's a possibility.
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  Is he spiteful? Is he a spiteful person?
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  That's up to you to decide. But there's a there's going to
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  be some interesting things happening around Open AI and
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  Grok in the near future. Because I mean any open source
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  competitor to ChatGPT is going to be welcomed for everybody.
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  If somebody could build off of Grok also, that's the other
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  thing. If he open sources in some
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  certain licenses, open sourcing, you can make derivatives.
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  But you also have to make sure that eventually if Grok and Xai
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  go private again, you take some of your money that you make from
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  this thing 'cause you could open like an open source project.
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  If it's fully open source, you can do whatever you want to with
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  it. You can make as much money as
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  you want to from it. But if he rescinds the license
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  at some point, there's a possibility you have to pay the
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  guy or you have to pay Xai for the tools that you built and the
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  money that you made from it. So we have to really be careful
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  of these open source projects and which parts of them that
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  he's open sourcing. So we'll have more information
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  about the parts that he's open sourcing in the future.
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  Of course, it's a strategic move, though.
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  It could reshape the dynamics of all AI development.
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  There's alternative models now that prioritize accessibility
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  and community involvement over control and profit.
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  It's a potential to catalyze a new wave of innovation in AI.
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  But also Meta has done this before too.
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  Meta's open sourcing most of the stuff.
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  So you know how much is going to change everything?
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  We're not 100% sure, but there's tensions between Musk and Open
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  AI. Power and control.
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  It's going to be in the hands of tech giants now.
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  Sam Altman? You know, a rich guy.
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  Elon Musk, super rich guy. They're tech giants.
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  There's no difference between X AI if it's closed sourced and
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  open AI if it's closed sourced or if X AI goes open source.
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  It has to go full open source or it's not real true open source.
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  So everything should be open source.
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  The language model, that's that's up for debate.
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  But the technology running the language model, if you supply
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  your own language model, that's OK in my eyes.
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  So it's got to be an interesting next 3-4 weeks.
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  That's supposed to happen sometime this month, and the
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  outcome of Musk's lawsuit against Opening Eye and the
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  impact of Grok's open sourcing remain to be seen, though It's
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  going to happen in the next few weeks and we'll be here for you.
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