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Rockies “suggest” pitches: Will this take over MLB? Blue Jays plane IL’d, Beanball in DC, Soto’s return · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Would you guys agree that when things get twice here
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  Speaker 1: we have debate in our show, it comes very naturally
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  Speaker 1: and organically. Like some shows it gets hot for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Other shows it's just like a normal day and we're
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  Speaker 1: going over what's happening. Yeah, okay, well, I'm just asking.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't even coming from comments or anything. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: the way that podcasting and even sports radio and TV
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  Speaker 1: like debate shows kind of became what they are is
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  Speaker 1: that they'd have these production meetings they figure out what
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  Speaker 1: they're going to fight over and take sides and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Like, we don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: So I was just thinking, because I feel as if
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  Speaker 1: today's show will have some heavy debate back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: But then I think back to other days when I'm
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  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we're just running through the news and
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, and sometimes we all agree on everything. So
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say that if you want to
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  Speaker 1: have a show and just do what you want and
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  Speaker 1: say what you want, you actually can do it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to fabricate it, that's all.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I agree is that the Mets really need to
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  Speaker 3: win a game today. With Nolan McClain pitching.
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  Speaker 2: Agree, crats you agree didn't lose.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't lose yesterday, that's true. I just I think
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  Speaker 3: this today is the day they really really need to win.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they have their best guy going. It's a
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  Speaker 3: Twins team that's been on the struggles.
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  Speaker 2: Who's pitching for the Twins was Richardson six. Hey, the
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  Speaker 2: only thing, the only thing that will.
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  Speaker 3: Cure him the Mets offense.
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  Speaker 1: And he used to be in the organization. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe in that stuff. Pitching with a little extra juice.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't believe. I mean I do believe in that. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Nolan mc and this is not this I guess it
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  Speaker 3: is a knock on Simeon Wizards. But Nolan McLain should
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  Speaker 3: be able to beat Simey and Woodards straight up in
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  Speaker 3: the game.
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  Speaker 2: But Nolan clan might go six and two third shutout.
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  Speaker 3: And someone sitting for the Mets, I don't know who
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be. Someone's gonna have a big.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to all of that. Let's start with
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  Speaker 2: some juice here, we charge them out.
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  Speaker 3: Charge about.
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  Speaker 1: We're actually going to start with the Colorado Rockies and
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  Speaker 1: this story from Dennis Lynn, which he replugged here. The
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  Speaker 1: Rockies have been suggesting pitches from the dug out this season,
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  Speaker 1: as Colorado attempts its first four game series win against
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers since twenty eighteen. Here's more in a practice
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  Speaker 1: some baseball people think will eventually sweep the league. Now
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  Speaker 1: this came out yesterday morning. The Rockies lost to the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: They end up splitting the series. But still that's a
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  Speaker 1: huge success for a franchise that was brutal last year.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this particular pitch calling has anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with them winning or not in a four
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  Speaker 1: game set. The point is we want to bring this
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  Speaker 1: up as it's starting to grow in the league. Kratz
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  Speaker 1: did a great segment on It weeks back with Alana
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  Speaker 1: when those two were on the show. Aj I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: on that show. You guys are smart catchers that host
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  Speaker 1: a show every day. So let's dive into this. We
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  Speaker 1: now have the Marlins involved. The guy who does this
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  Speaker 1: for the Rockies was with the Marlins. They bring them over.
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  Speaker 1: Now the Rockies are in. The Rockies are suggesting pitches.
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  Speaker 1: Take that for what it is, this college baseball.
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  Speaker 3: A lot life suggesting.
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  Speaker 2: They're indicating what they this is gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Be the norm. Let's just get it out there. It's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be the norm.
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  Speaker 2: In the whole league.
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  Speaker 3: Once Salvador Perez, once j t Reil Muto, once some
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  Speaker 3: of those older guys that play every day go away.
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  Speaker 3: This is gonna be the norm because they're gonna say
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  Speaker 3: we can do it better. Even though these guys, probably
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  Speaker 3: most some of them sitting in the dug out are
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  Speaker 3: probably never call pitches in their life. And I just
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  Speaker 3: go and I just go back to this. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You want to call the pitches from the dugout. Don't
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  Speaker 3: get maud of the catcher, and don't get out of
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  Speaker 3: the pitcher when they give up hits or runs. It's
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  Speaker 3: not their fault. It's your fault, whoever's calling the pitches.
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  Speaker 3: And the biggest thing I'll never get is Don Cooper
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  Speaker 3: are all pitching coach of the White Sox. We call,
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  Speaker 3: you know, let me call the game. We hang a
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  Speaker 3: slider and the guy to get a hit, he say,
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  Speaker 3: why'd you throw the slider? I go, Coop, you want
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  Speaker 3: to call the pitches, we can go fastball, in, fastball, away, curveball, slider,
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  Speaker 3: change up. You call them all first signed, last time,
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  Speaker 3: whatever sign you want go for it. He goes, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want that pressure exactly. Shut up, he goes. Listen,
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  Speaker 3: if you're calling from the dugout, you can't give out
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  Speaker 3: anybody but yourself, and you can't give out anybody but
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  Speaker 3: the computer. And by the way, the guys don't always
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  Speaker 3: have the same stuff every day, and that's hard to
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  Speaker 3: see from the side when you're not back there kitchen,
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  Speaker 3: that's my thing like and plus guys move in the box. Guy,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta read swings. It's hard to read that stuff
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  Speaker 3: from the dugout.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way, AJ, there's no way you're reading anything
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  Speaker 4: from the field that you can't see from the dugout.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter because the sheet says it's fine. The
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  Speaker 4: sheet says he cannot hit a splitter. Let's throw five
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  Speaker 4: splitters in a row. The quote the air quotes have
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  Speaker 4: suggested is the part that I'm going to hit on
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  Speaker 4: today because I hit on a lot yesterday and a
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  Speaker 4: or I mean last time we talked about this, and
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  Speaker 4: AJ just hit on everything possible that can go wrong, suggested.
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  Speaker 4: Part is alone Leashman, Leishman getting fired if this doesn't
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  Speaker 4: go well. No, he's getting fired either way because the
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  Speaker 4: team didn't bring in the best pitcher, so they're trying
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  Speaker 4: something new. I get that they're trying something that could
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  Speaker 4: be innovative, but really they're a half a year behind
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  Speaker 4: the Marlins, a year behind the Marlins, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: and they're doing it because exactly what who said it?
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  Speaker 3: Freelan? Was it Freelan that said it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, said we stink, so let's try something. And also
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  Speaker 1: real quick crats alone. Leishman is the guy who's calling
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  Speaker 1: pitches now for the Rockies. He was the assistant pitching
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  Speaker 1: coach for the Marlins and now his title is first
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  Speaker 1: year pitching coach. So they brought him over.
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  Speaker 4: They brought him over because of this gimmick. They brought
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  Speaker 4: him over because of the fact that he has it
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  Speaker 4: on his resume that hey, we're doing this over here
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  Speaker 4: with the Marlins. Wow, look at all the pictures that
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  Speaker 4: the Marlins created. You know who created those pictures. It's
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  Speaker 4: a guy the Marlins fired. It's Jeremy Jeremy Powell. He
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  Speaker 4: was the minor league pitching coordinator that created these relationships
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  Speaker 4: with these guys and created that Well, this guy was
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  Speaker 4: helping with the Marlins, and now he gets to create
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  Speaker 4: a spreadsheet, create a PowerPoint to get a job and says,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I think this could work. What do
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  Speaker 4: the Rockies have to lose? The Rockies say, oh, it's
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  Speaker 4: so tough to pitch in Colorado. And if he would
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  Speaker 4: have said no, no, no, well we're calling that's what
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  Speaker 4: we're throwing out there, that's what you guys are throwing.
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  Speaker 4: And you go out in the media and say it's.
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  Speaker 3: On me if this goes bad.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know these guys, I don't know alone
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  Speaker 4: at all, but my thing is you have to have ownership.
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  Speaker 4: You can't just say this is suggested so that you're
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  Speaker 4: covering your back. Well, the pictures can do with they
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  Speaker 4: want to do. And so okay, so are we charting
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  Speaker 4: every time that the pitcher shook off? And are you
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  Speaker 4: only bringing up the the good times or the bad
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  Speaker 4: times when the pitcher gives up a hit and you're
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  Speaker 4: not bringing up the bad times when the computer gives
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  Speaker 4: up a hit. It's just like Coop said, don your
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  Speaker 4: pitching coach. He was he was just he never was like,
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  Speaker 4: hey day, why did you call that slider that the
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  Speaker 4: guy swung and missed at? No, it's just all results
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  Speaker 4: based and if you're not willing to stand up and
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  Speaker 4: be like I called it, this is why, then your
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  Speaker 4: team doesn't get better. All you're doing is just check
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  Speaker 4: we threw pitch number sixty three. Check we threw pitch
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  Speaker 4: number sixty four. Hey, you know what the numbers said.
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  Speaker 4: This is what we should have done, because teams are
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  Speaker 4: going to sit there and start going, oh, well, I
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  Speaker 4: hit fifty six on two to two sliders, so we're
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  Speaker 4: facing the rockies. They're definitely throwing me at two to
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  Speaker 4: two slider because that's the like, that's what the computer
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  Speaker 4: says it'll be. It'll be very predictable, and it's not
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  Speaker 4: going to forge winning winning a world series. To me
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  Speaker 4: is those little things that create playoff teams, that create
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  Speaker 4: world series winning teams.
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  Speaker 2: Get started today. Okay, can I present your case?
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  Speaker 3: Hold on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When they say suggest so, they must have a PitchCom
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  Speaker 3: in the dugout. Like leach Miner yesterday he was doing,
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  Speaker 3: how do they have time for that? In the pitch call,
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that that was what
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  Speaker 3: happens if the picture shakes off, then they got to
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  Speaker 2: You can't.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it's like suggest but there ain't time to change.
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  Speaker 3: That's why this is awesome. Uh listen, Mark's asking, is
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  Speaker 3: there any advantage of doing it? I guess if you
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  Speaker 3: have someone that's dumb and they can't remember the scouting report.
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  Speaker 2: But why are they doing it in college?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they do it in college because coaches won't control
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  Speaker 3: and it's their life on the line. It's not the
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  Speaker 3: college kid's life and career on the line. In college,
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  Speaker 3: they do it because they want to say I'm controlling everything.
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  Speaker 2: But so does MLB and and I understand that.
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  Speaker 3: But also, you know, there's this big thing called like
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  Speaker 3: catcher's R and this and that, and guys work good
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  Speaker 3: with other guys, but that was always because you put
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  Speaker 3: down the room. Guys would be like, man, he's got
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  Speaker 3: good fingers and he knows me, and he knows what
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  Speaker 3: to call and he sees if I'm struggling, he can
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  Speaker 3: do that. Well, now the catcher is not gonna get
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  Speaker 3: credit if the if the coach is calling that sure right,
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  Speaker 3: So the catcher goes arbitration. He's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: let's say, uh, what's a really good catcher in Uh
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  Speaker 3: good good good man, good man, yeah, good man. Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say he goes arbitration and he goes let's say
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  Speaker 3: the free agent and he goes to I don't know,
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: I'm throwing a random team out there. The Cubs and
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: Craig Council's like, hey, call the game. He's gonna go,
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  Speaker 3: I've never done this before.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's gonna happen. The Cubs are gonna start
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  Speaker 2: calling the pitches from the.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying this is gonna be every team before long.
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  Speaker 1: And then if it is every team, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: countercrats this point. If every team's doing this, crats, then
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is not going to exist anymore, because, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the blame game is not gonna be well, some teams
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  Speaker 1: have the catchers calling, some teams have the teams calling.
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  Speaker 2: The teams are just gonna call it.
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  Speaker 3: As I'm saying, it's gonna be every team.
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  Speaker 2: Just going to be like, you either execute the pitch
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  Speaker 2: or you do what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so then who so then Okay, that's fine if
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  Speaker 3: they want to do it. But again, when a guy
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  Speaker 3: hangs a slider and the computer said throw a slider
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  Speaker 3: but he didn't have a slider all day. And you're
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  Speaker 3: in the third inning and he's been throwing some mixers
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  Speaker 3: up there and he hangs when some dude hits a homer,
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  Speaker 3: do you go in and be the stupid computer? I
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  Speaker 3: knew he didn't have a slider all day.
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  Speaker 2: Is there no feel? Though?
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  Speaker 1: This is what I need to know, is we should
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  Speaker 1: try and get one of these guys on the show,
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  Speaker 1: because obviously you guys are gonna be passionate about this,
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  Speaker 1: and you have the best insight because this is what
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  Speaker 1: you did for your living. But do you think that
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  Speaker 1: these two teams now the Marlins and Rockies are trying
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  Speaker 1: to read swings and read me too a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're fully doing it. No, they're
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  Speaker 2: not doing it at all.
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  Speaker 4: Crats Oh no, no, no, I was answering your question, Scott.
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  Speaker 4: The Mets are the Mets are lightly suggesting?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so are they reading swings and pitches? And they're
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  Speaker 2: not doing that at all?
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  Speaker 3: It's strictly off the okay, okay, at all?
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  Speaker 4: No I think they are. I would I choose to
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  Speaker 4: believe they are because I'm reading swings. I was just
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  Speaker 4: talking about in our game. In our high school game yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: I don't call pitches. I talked to our catchers. We
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  Speaker 4: have two freshman catchers, and you know what we learn
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  Speaker 4: from each situation. But you can read, Okay, that guy
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  Speaker 4: just fouled a ball straight into our dugout. He's late
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  Speaker 4: as all get out, don't throw a breaking ball. And
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  Speaker 4: then in high school they throw a breaking ball and
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  Speaker 4: he swings and misses at it. So it's completely different.
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  Speaker 2: At that level.
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  Speaker 4: You do have to read the swings. Are they reading
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  Speaker 4: the swings? I don't know, But like AJ said, you
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  Speaker 4: can't read the swings the same way.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember catching and watching games from the dugout.
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  Speaker 3: When I would games, I wasn't playing in the backup catcher.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever it was, would they give up a hit or something,
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  Speaker 3: They come over and say, what do you think about
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  Speaker 3: that pitch selection. I'm like, you're in the game. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sitting over here watching from the side. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what that guy has that day. And in the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, listen, I'm gonna say this about scouting reports,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to say this about anything you want
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  Speaker 3: to say about baseball. If you make a good pitch,
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  Speaker 3: most of the time. It doesn't matter what pitch it is. Krats,
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  Speaker 3: tell me if I'm wrong, you're gonna get the dude out. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: if you make a crappy pitch, most of the time,
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  Speaker 3: that's when they put their a swing and they get
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: a ball, hit a ball hard. Right. So, if I
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  Speaker 3: have a guy who throws a lot of sliders, and
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  Speaker 3: there's a guy who comes up and he's hitting six
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  Speaker 3: fifty off sliders. But I got a guy out there
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  Speaker 3: that is best pitch of a slider, I'm still gonna
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  Speaker 3: throw a slider. I just don't want him to hang it.
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  Speaker 3: Because nobody hits a good slider. No one hits a
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  Speaker 3: good curveball. No one hits a well located, down in
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  Speaker 3: a way fastball. They might shank one the other way,
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  Speaker 3: but they're not doing damage. Most of the damage doesn't
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  Speaker 3: happen every once in a while, but not more that
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  Speaker 3: times than not. Right, the pitches that get hit are
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  Speaker 3: mistakes most of the time, So it doesn't it's not
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  Speaker 3: the pitch selection all the time. It's the pitch execution
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  Speaker 3: and until and listen, so you can sit over there
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  Speaker 3: and do beep it. He got pity boopity boop over
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  Speaker 3: here all you want, but if it doesn't, if that
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  Speaker 3: guy doesn't have that pitch that day, then he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have that pitch that day. And sometimes I mean, how
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  Speaker 3: many times krats did you catch? And you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you have whoever you're catching. I'll use Tanaka right, because
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  Speaker 3: he had a split and he had a little cutter
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  Speaker 3: and all that he comes out of the first thing,
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  Speaker 3: he can't find his split, right, so you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: how can we figure out counts? Even though it might
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  Speaker 3: not be the right situation to throw a split to
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  Speaker 3: maybe get his feelback, Like O two, he jumps ahead
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  Speaker 3: of a guy. Oh two, You're like, okay, let's throw
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  Speaker 3: a split, and you're like, point at the dirt, like
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  Speaker 3: throw it in the dirt so he feels it out front. Right,
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  Speaker 3: That stuff from the dugout they can't do. That's the
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  Speaker 3: stuff for me. Like you can call a pitch you want,
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  Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, it's about feel.
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  Speaker 4: Certain guys, certain guys finish their cutter more out front
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  Speaker 4: they finish it, or some guys had to get on
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  Speaker 4: top of their cutter. They had to think about that. Well,
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  Speaker 4: if every fastball they're throwing is up. Okay, maybe that
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  Speaker 4: cutter will help them finish down on the next fastball.
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  Speaker 4: Get that next feel there was guys I played with
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: that if they would throw their sinker one pitch, they
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: couldn't throw the cutter the very next pitch. It would
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: almost have to be like a sink or four steamer
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: to the cutter, slider slider to the cutter. Just because
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: pictures don't like and you read that kind of stuff.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: But go to AJ screen. Just AJ's single here and
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: I went over right AJ's right shoulder. I want you
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: to just point to what's behind there so people who
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: are watching can see that mask was in a Perfect
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Game from phil Umber. You think phil Umber has any
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: You look at one of those You look at one
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: of these sheets that they're using, and phil Umber's sheet
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: wouldn't look all green, meaning this is not good. Like
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: we're not we're not going in these areas. You have
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: to walk a guy through nine innings to be able
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: to catch a complete game of perfect game. You have
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: to be able to walk some guys through five innings
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: to be able to only give up three runs. What's
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: on the numbers is probably ninety two percent of the
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: time in AJ's head unless AJ does zero work pregame
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: and all he's worried about is hitting. Like, if you're
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: not doing your work, then yeah, you know what you
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: need somebody else telling you. But they've even admitted in
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: all of these interviews, well, you know, it's just really
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff that we already talk about,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: and we're just there for suggestions.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it is is.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: It is not an ironclad thing, and you have to
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: be able to have all this information already in your head.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I can still go through scatter reports from eight years
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: ago that I remember from big games.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to cap it with this, because I
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: think this will tell you where it's going. And the
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: way it's going is every team's going to be doing
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: it within five years. Michael King is quoted in this
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: story saying that he was skeptical, but then he found
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: out it was a suggestion, and I have the analytically
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: best pitch to throw.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit better. But then you go earlier
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: in the article.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: How much how often are they shaking them off in
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the first month of the season, one or two pitches
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a game.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a suggestion.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: When it's one or two pitches of a game, ninety
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: nine percent of your pitches in the game are your suggestion.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: That means they're just calling it and you like it
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and it's working well enough, or at least they're buying
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: into it, so they're doing it.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Wait, Michael King from the Padres.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: They asked him about it, Yeah, because the Padres played
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the Rockies and he was like, oh, like, I didn't
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: like it, but like, oh, it's a suggestion.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: So but they suggested all the time.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But right, if you go back earlier they I don't
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: know if they told him, But Michael, do you think
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: that it's a suggestion if ninety nine percent of the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: pitches are actually being enforced from the call?
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Michael King is one of the most prepared pitchers I've
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: ever played with. He knows all this information. Michael King,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: what is he making this year? Twenty five million dollars.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: He's a three year, seventy five million something.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Know what.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: He can shake off whatever the heck he wants to
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: shake off. You know why, because he's solidified. You call
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: up a starter from the minor leagues and you shake
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: off and you give him a hit. Oh crap, probably
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: gonna get sent down why, Oh, because I shook. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: shook that pitch off and I gave up a hit.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Like guys are in different positions. Michael King, he knows
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: all the numbers. He's he knows more, And maybe this
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: is an arrogant thing to say. I know from watching
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: him he knows more than the person who's holding a sheet.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I don't care who that person is holding the sheet.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: If it's freaking Clayton Kershaw, if it's Max Schurz, are
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: sitting on the bench, the pitcher on the mound that
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: is prepared as prepared as Michael King knows more than
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: what's somebody in the dug out holding a sheet knows.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: That's fine, So those people will be grandfathered in.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And the league is saying, we feel as if we
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: are smarter than the pitchers and the catchers on what
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to call period and will it be in the game
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: in five years? Almost everywhere? I almost guarantee it. Good combo,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: but great insight from you guys. Let's rack a couple.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Spencer Nustbaum tweets he covers the mats for the Athletic
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and for District Territory. The new National show that also
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: just added Kevin Franz and Jake Gerbin hit Akunya with
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a pitch twice. Bryce Elder just hit cj Abrams in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the six This is last night's Nationals
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Braves game. Warning issued to both dugouts. And then the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: next tweet he sends is Blake but Terra say he
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: thought it was pretty clear the Braves hit cj Abrams
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: on purpose, added in the context that it was the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: first pitch of the bat, and acknowledge that Ervin hit
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a Kunya twice, both of which he said were accidents.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, so what did Blake Peter do about it? Couldn't
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: couldn't do anything you can can We.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Just started the series and I think those teams play
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: each other pretty frequently too.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: You're saying, like, should they hit him back again?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: You want to stop it?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Start beanball hit a dude, But the Braves are saying, here's.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: This is what I have no problem with. The Braves.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Didcuon you got hit twice? You hit their guy? Oh? C.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: J Abrams whack Wooden up at the head, was fine, boom,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: you hit him, move on, But don't have Blake pu
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Terror come out and say it was pretty obviously threw
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: at him. No kidding, Blake, you hit their best player twice. Yes,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: guess what's gonna happen. You're gonna get hit. Correct as
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: they should, and they did it properly. I have no
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: problem with this, which he This is when we talk
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: about the game policing itself. Yeah, you screw up, you
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: do some dumb Trust me, someone that got thrown out
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a lot. I did a lot of dumb stuff. Okay,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I got thrown out a lot, and I knew when
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I did it, and I'd take my medicine and go
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: to first.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. It doesn't matter if
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: there's intent or not. You hit their best player twice.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Tony the Russ said, you hit one of ours, written
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: three of yours.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Blake had a problem with it either.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: He just was asked if he thought it was intentionally
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: said yes, okay, but correct it was. Your pitchers need
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to find the zone and not hit Ronald Acunya twice. Okay,
• 20:23
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• 20:24
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• 20:26
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• 20:29
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• 20:32
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• 20:33
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• 20:35
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• 20:39
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• 20:41
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• 21:33
  Speaker 1: This one's fresh breaking from John Hayman has Wan Soto
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: returning to the Mets tomorrow, which is Wednesday. He's needed,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: That's what Haymond said, but I would retweet that he's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: But there were without Lamber until they were eleven.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: After that, Jan Soto is a super duper star.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: He is, And there are a lot of games you
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: watch and you go, man, if only they had a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: guy who could just pop it to run Homer right now,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: or take three walks in a game and set the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: table so that knock turns into a run and puts
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a little heat on the pitcher and stops the momentum
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of one through one, two, three innings.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It's almost like that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Almost they had that guy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Lots of money.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I hope it's he's one hundred percent, because he wanted
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: to steal forty bags this year and all those walks
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: were turning into doubles when he stole thirty whatever it was,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: thirty eight bags, Like, let's let's make sure he's one
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: hundred percent, because they sure as heck can't string three
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: hits together to score him. So he's gonna have to
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: be able to run when he's on base as much
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: as he is. Because he comes back, nobody's gonna be like, gee,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I wonder if Jan is rusty. No, they're gonna be like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: put them on see if they can get three hits
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: after him.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to steal thirty eight bases.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He has none so far this season. He just missed
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: some time. Calves are tricky. They are tricky every time.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Every time you think they're healthy, give it another week.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: How many times you've seen it? I've seen it so
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: many times?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: All right, we have a little ABS challenge update that
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: we can show everyone based on how everyone's doing. Take
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a quickly look at the board. Yes, you have to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: tap your head for those two apply. Some teams use
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it all the time. Some teams are not using it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: very frequently. I remember when I last checked, the Dodgers
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: actually were pretty low on that board. I think the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Twins are leading in that category.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Are they?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I believe you're the lowest.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: This is ABS Challenges period, Like how many challenges that
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: how many head taps? Sixty nine giggity for the Twins
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: so far, and then you go as far down as
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox at twenty four. Now the Dodgers are,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean not middle of the pack, but Giants and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Dodgers at thirty seven.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: The teams that I'm more interested in the teams that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: don't challenge.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny is I watch a lot of
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: these games and there's certain teams you could tell they're
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: scared to pull the trick.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Why.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know. The Red Sox are one of them.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: There's some pitches that are and even yeah, I was
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: listening to I think Lou Marloni even yesterday on the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Patriots Day game and he's like, I don't know why
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: they didn't challenge that one. I don't know. It's like
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: there's guys that are I don't they're scared.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And we are back and we are going over a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: little quickie story about the Blue Jays choosing to bus
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: from Phoenix to Anaheim because their plane was placed on
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the injured list, and instead of waiting for another plane,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: John Snyder said, you know what, We're gonna hit the bus.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And then Max Scherzer said, you go to kangaroo court
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Schneider was like, well, we should just use your plane
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: or get you get us a plane, but that's too complicated.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And then Scherzer said, he's gonna get extra fined because
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to bring up kangaroo court before you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: go to kangaroo court.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: So where are we at.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Someone's getting fined. It's not gonna be Max. Max is
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: probably the judge. Yes, So Dylan's pitch really well last
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: night too.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: By the way, we're gonna talk about him coming up.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: He's been really good all year. I'm kind of on
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Max's side right here. Yeah, because player players are supposed
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to be pampered and the manager has to supposed to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: do what the players want.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I kind of agree with Max. How come they the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Blue Jays, they they have lots of money. They couldn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: have found a new a new plane, or they could
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: have it just they would have taken It was faster
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to bus than it was to wait for a plane.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you need a big one. It's not like, oh,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: let's just go pho next to where they go four hours.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: It's a four hour bus.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's what it is to drive from Phoenix.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: It's like four four or five. Everyone needs to get
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: a bus trip.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Everyone.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: If I tell you, hey, it's gonna take us four
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: hours or five hours to get the plane, then we
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: go on it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I just I'd rather take your bus.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It sounded like it wasn't like a oh it's gonna
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: be thirty sixty minutes. It sounded like a delay.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Oh. I've sat on a big league plane for a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: long time and seen guys have times, have good times.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not like on the bus.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: It's not the same thing.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: What's cool though, is if you've ever been on a
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: big league bus trip stopping at like a McDonald's and
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: everyone goes in and just seeing people that are in there,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: and when someone finally it finally hits who the heck
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you are? But just usually because it's leusually late at night,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and it's a one person'll be like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Wait and then they look back and they're like, I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: just see the entire two thousand and whatever.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but don't see use of course, because you
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: know they don't. They don't go on the starry pitchers
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: have to fly early. You can bring out with the Team.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Bougie.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he pitch.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I would say, I would say Max, Max has to
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: pay some type of fine here because I mean he
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: could have gotten the boys. He could have gotten the boys,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: just like just like S's just like Schneider said, Max,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: hook it up. You got a couple of private jets.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you could get on call. I know AJ
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: does and Max you've made way more money than a J. Prazinski,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: So you gotta have some peeps that you can talk to.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Hey, we're back and we're gonna be quick on this one.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Since we spent a lot of time in a lot
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: of segments and it was well worth it, we do
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: want to keep going everyone. Yes, sorry claud not the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: AI version, the producer lady crushing it behind the scenes,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: but also reminding us that Jay Croninworth is going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: be on Friar Territory today. So it's not just players
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: appearing on this show anymore. It's players appearing across the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: FT network. I know we give you bits and pieces
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of those interviews here, but they're also on social media
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and most importantly Friar Territory YouTube channel and podcast to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: listen to the whole thing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So look out for that from Marty and Darren. They'll
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: be talking to Jake Cronin on coming soon. Let us
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: slap hands. This is a classic slap pans topic.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Trevor Martin made his major League debut for the Rays
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: yesterday against the Reds to in the third a run,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: two hits, two punch outs. His dad got there via airplane.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: First time ever on an airplane.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Check. I don't think he even knows that, so apparently that's.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Awesome, by the way, but he doesn't want to have
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: kids in college. And there's kids on my kids college
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: teams that had never been on airplane unil he got
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: to college. And it's freaky the first time you go on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I guess so, well, if you've never think about being
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: eighteen nineteen, never been on a plane.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: And then it's just like, oh, it's a plane, right,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: But if you've just seen it and you never.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Experienced it, got to be forty or fifty years old. Yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: and he's like, wait, what, I'm in a tube flying
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: through the sky. This is crazy's flatter thing.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody's really scrunched together most of the time.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Don't even get free drinks on these planes.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this? This is a bust in the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: sky and I got to wait in.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: That TSA line with no pre check more clear.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have taken a while, but yeah, you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: can't hop from Oklahoma to Tampa if you suddenly find
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: out your son's getting called out.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Awesome, tho you got to get good for you and
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: it's good for him.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But that's a fun story, Kratz. You always get something good.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: The debut stories are the best.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Why do some kids get their families get a suite
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: for debuts? But like Trevor Martin's family that they just
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: got to sit with the common folk.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Like, what's the deal with that?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Team by team, case by case.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: No player by player, definitely a player by player because
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Roman Anthony's family was sitting where like ben Aflac and
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: all them apples like Matt dam when they sit I
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: promise when when let's see who would have been Ryan
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Lavarnway made his debut with the with the Red Sox.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: His family wasn't sitting next to ben Aflac and such.
• 29:40
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