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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 19) (5/18/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're picking back up where we left
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off with Thatt Glen Maxwell deposition, So let's just get
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right back to it. Considering how gigantic this deposition is,
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we're talking about four hundred and sixty five pages total.
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The good news. The good news is we're on page
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three hundred and ten, so we're banging right through it.
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So with that in mind, let's just stop the chitter
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chatter here and dive right back into the content. McCauley,
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Were you responsible for introducing redacted to Jeffrey Epstein? Mister
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Pagliuca objection to Forum and the Foundation. Maxwell, I already
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testified that I don't really recall redacted. McAuley. Were you
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responsible for introducing redacted to Jeffrey Epstein, Mister Pakluka objection
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to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, again, I don't
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like the characterization of introduction. Redacted came to answer telephones. McCauley,
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when did you Were you the person who brought or
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introduced or met redacted for purposes of bringing her to
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Jeffrey Epstein's home. Mister Pagliuka objection to the Form and
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the Foundation. Maxwell, That's not how I would characterize that, McCauley,
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How would you characterize it? Maxwell? I have testified that
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I'm responsible for finding professional people to work in the
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homes age appropriate adult people, so from pool attendance to gardeners,
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to chefs, to housekeepers, to butlers to chauffeurs. And one
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of the functions was to be able to answer the telephones.
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And in the context of finding someone to answer the telephones,
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I did look to try to find appropriate people to
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answer the phones. McCauley. So, did you find Johanna for
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purposes of that role? Maxwell? So, in the course of
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looking for somebody to answer phones at the house, Johanna
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was one of the people who said that she was
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willing to answer the phones. McCauley. Did you approach her
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at her school campus? Mister Pakliuka objection to Form and Foundation. Maxwell,
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I honestly don't recall how in that moment how I
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met redacted and how she came to get the job.
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But McCauley, did you typically in your work for Jeffrey Epstein,
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would you typically go to school campuses to try to
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find individuals to work for Jeffrey Epstein? Mister Pakliuka objection
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to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I never what
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do you mean by school? Let's characterize school, McCauley, any
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kind of school, Maxwell, obviously not. I never went to
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any school with young people redacted. I believe came from
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an adult university, as I would know in England. So
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university I went there, but I never went, as I
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best recollect anywhere else. And just to add on here,
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remember Maria Farmer told us the same thing that Galley
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Maxwell would go to the schools next Epstein's house to
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bring girls to Epstein. So it's not just one person
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telling us this. We have many, many people telling us
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the same story over and over and over, time and
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time again. McCauley, did you what university was it that
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you went to? Maxwell? I don't recall the university that
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you went to right now, McCauley. Would you visit more
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than one university to try to find individuals to work
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for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, as I recollect, I think that's
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in fact the only university that I went to. McCauley.
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Did you go there more than once? Maxwell? I think
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I went twice. McCauley, who did you find from that university.
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Was there anybody other than redacted? Maxwell? I don't recollect.
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I'm sorry, McCauley. We're going to mark this as Maxwell thirteen.
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Maxwell Exhibit thirteen Documents marked for identification. McCauley. Can you
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take a look at the document I put in front
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of you please? Are you familiar with this document? Maxwell?
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I'm familiar with this actual document. McCauley. How is this
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document created? Pac luka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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I don't know how this document was created. McCauley. Were
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you ever involved in the creation of this document? Maxwell?
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I think you can see from the date that it's
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two thousand and four, two thousand and five. So no, McCauley,
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you weren't involved in the creation of this document, did you.
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We talked earlier about mister Epstein's house. I'm talking about
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the Palm Beach house where you said there was a
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computer on the desk that employees had access to. People
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who work for Jeffrey Epstein may have had access to Maxwell.
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I think anybody could have had access to that. McCauley.
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Was that computer used, if you know, to keep a
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log of addresses and phone contact information for Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell,
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are we talking about when this document was created? McCauley
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in general? Was there on that computer during the time
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that you were present with Jeffrey Epstein? Was there a
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mechanism by which you kept electronic information of names and
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addresses of individuals that he knew? Pagliuka objection to the
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form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I can't testify to what
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was on that computer or not after I was gone, McCauley,
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not when you were gone. When you were there, if
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Jeffrey wanted to call, for example, say redacted, would someone
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be able to go to that computer to pull up
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the address information and phone contact information for that individual?
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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I couldn't possibly say, McCauley, did you ever have to
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keep track of address or phone contact information for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
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That was not my job, McCauley. Did you ever do it? Maxwell?
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I am not responsible for keeping his numbers, so that
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wasn't my job at all. McCauley, But did you ever
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do it? I know it's not your job, but did
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you ever do it? Did you ever keep phone contact
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information for him? Maxwell? During the course of the time
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we were together. If he gave me a telephone number,
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I would give it to an assistant to put in
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the computer. I could do that, McCauley. Would he ask
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you for contact information for different individuals if he wanted
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to contact someone, mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
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the Foundation. Maxwell, In the course of the long period
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of time when I was there, it certainly would be
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possible for him to ask me for a telephone number,
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And if I had I wouldn't always have it. But
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if I had it, I'm sure it happened. McCauley. Was
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there a hard copy book in addition to the computer,
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a hard copy book that you could look for numbers
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that were relevant to Jeffrey Epstein's life, and something on
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the computer or was it just an electronic version, mister pagliuka,
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objection to the form and the Foundation. McCauley. Was there
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a hard copy book as well as something on the computer?
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Or was there only electronic inform on the phone numbers?
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Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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I can only testify to what I know, obviously, and
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I believe that this is a copy of a stolen document.
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I would love to know how you guys got it
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and what they're referring to here is the infamous Black Book.
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That's what they're talking about in this exchange. McCauley. I'm asking,
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during the time you worked for Jeffrey Epstein, was there
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a hard copy document of any kind that kept phone
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numbers for Jeffrey Epstein if he needed to contact someone. Maxwell,
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The stolen document that I have in front of me,
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that you have is what you're referring to, McCauley. So
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there was during your time when you were there, there
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was no other you mentioned there was information on a computer.
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Was there a hard copy document that you could refer
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to find someone's number? Maxwell? You have the stolen document
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in front of you, McCauley. You had access to this
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when you worked for Jeffrey Epstein. Mac This is I
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believe the book that was stolen. That was the hard
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copy of whatever was there, McCauley. So when you were
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working for Jeffrey Epstein, you were able to access this book. Maxwell,
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this book, if this is what this is, I believe
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it was. This is the stolen document from his house. McCauley,
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And you were able to access it when you work
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for him. Maxwell. It was a document that was printed
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that you could if you needed to look for a number. McCauley,
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do you know how this book was created? Maxwell? No,
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which is a straight up lie. By the way, Maxwell
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was the one who curated the whole book, McCauley. When
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you referred to it a moment ago to a stolen
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document when redacted turned this document over to the FBI,
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are you aware he described it as a document that
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came from your computer, mister Paklayuka. Objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea what he
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said or didn't say. So if you want me to
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reference something he said, you need to show it to me. McCauley.
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Did you keep this document an electronic copy of it
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on your personal computer? Maxwell? I don't recollect McCauley. If
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you had to update something, for example, if there was
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a new number, a new individual that Jeffrey had hired
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that you were going to track, would you input that
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information into this document on your computer? Mister Pakliuka objection
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to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I've already testified
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that I'm not responsible for updating and keeping these records McCauley,
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did you have this document on your computer, your personal computer? Maxwell,
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I told you I don't recollect having this document on
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my computer. McCauley, do you know what computer this document
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was on? If more than one, Maxwell, I'm sorry. This
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is a long time ago and I don't recall exactly
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how this all was managed. McCauley. If you didn't create
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this document, do you know who did? Mister Pakliuka objection
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to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't. McCauley.
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I'm going to direct your attention to part of this document.
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It's towards the back. It's going to be page ninety one,
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and it has Bates label Robert zero zero one sixty
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sixty three. I'm going to direct your attention to the
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section that says Massage, Florida. Did you input any of
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the names or numbers under that section? Mister Pakliuka objection
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to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, So this document
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is produced in two thousand and four, two thousand and five.
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So no, McCauley. But I'm sorry, correct me if I'm
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misunderstanding your testimony. I thought you said when you were
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working with Jeffrey, this was the document that existed and
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it was something you utilized. McCauley. I can't possibly tell
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you what numbers were added or not added subsequent to
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my departure, McCauley, So you can't recall if you added
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any of these numbers. Mister Pakliuka objection to the form
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and the Foundation mischaracterizes the witness's testimony. McCauley, are there
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any numbers on here or names that you recognize that
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you would have entered into the section? Maxwell, I already
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testified that I'm not responsible for inputting numbers and names
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into this so I would not be able to tell you, McCauley,
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are there any names or numbers under this section Massage
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Florida that would have provided to an assistant to input
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into this document? Maxwell, I can't possibly say, McCauley. Do
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you see under Massage Florida, about halfway down the first column,
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do you see a number that says redacted cell? Mister Pagliuca,
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what page, McCauley. It's ninety one Bates number zero zero
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one sixty sixty three, about halfway down it says in
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the first column it says redacted cell. Do you see that, Maxwell?
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I do McCauley. Would you have provided after I know
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you didn't hire her, Jeffrey hired her, but after you
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brought her to Jeffrey, would you have given her the
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cell phone number to an assistant to input into this document,
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mister Pagliuca objection to form and foundation. Maxwell did and
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bring her to Jeffrey the way you characterize it, and
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I would have no knowledge of how this number ended
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up in this book. McCauley, I believe you, and I
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will try to use your words so we are clear
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you met redacted. Is that correct Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, would
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you have provided whomever was in charge of keeping this
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updated redacted cell number so you would be able to
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contact her if needed? Pagliuka objection to the form and
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the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't know. It could have been
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a number of different ways. It could have been Jeffrey
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who gave it to somebody. McCauley. You just don't remember
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doing that, Maxwell, I do not. McCauley. Now, as you look,
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I want you to take a look at the Florida
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massage list. It's three columns there. Do you, as you
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look at those names on the various columns, do you
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know the ages of any of those girls? In this list, Maxwell,
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I don't know one. I don't know who all these
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people are on this list, and I certainly don't know
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the ages. McCauley, do you know what their qualifications are? Maxwell,
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I don't know who the people are in general, so
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of course I don't know what their qualifications are. McCauley.
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Do you know why Jeffrey Epstein has so many messuses
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listed in Florida in his book? Here? Mister Pagliuca objection
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to the form and foundation? Maxwell, Again, this book was
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created post my departure, so I couldn't explain why all
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these people were here. That's a lie. That is an absolute,
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one hundred percent provable lie. So everything Maxwell says, everything
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Maxwell does, well, we can characterize it as a lie. McCauley.
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When you were there, you said this book existed, Maxwell, Yes, McCauley,
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So when you were there, were there a number of
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messuses listed under Florida Massage? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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form and the foundation and mischaracterization of the witness's testimony. McCauley,
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I'm asking you a question. When you were there, were
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there a number of messuses listed under the Florida Massage? Section. Maxwell,
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when I was there, I would have of course there
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would have been some messuses listed, but I cannot tell
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you who or how many, and this I could possibly
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not because I wouldn't remember. McCauley, do you know why
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Jeffrey would have so many names listed under his massage
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in Florida? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I can't testify to why Jeffrey had so many McCauley
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didn't use a different messuse every day, mister Pakliuka, objection
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to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell.
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When I was there, he had a massage roughly every day,
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one massuse, and mostly he would have them at random times.
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So it would be difficult if you just only had
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one person man or woman for an adult massage to
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come over and be available for whatever time it was.
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They keep saying, man, and we literally have no evidence
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of a male massuse ever showing up to Epstein's house ever,
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So stop up with the mailshit, McCauley. So would it
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typically be a different person each day that would give
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him a massage? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and
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the Foundation. Maxwell, It would be when I was there,
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based on availability. McCauley, would it surprise you to learn
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that the federal government found that some of the girls
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on this list under massage Florida were under the age
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of eighteen? Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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I can't testify to that or to what the government
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found or did not find, because I would have no
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knowledge of it. McCauley, I'm asking if you would be
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surprised by that, mister Pagliuka form and foundation. Maxwell, I
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have no knowledge of it. I can't speculate, McCauley. On
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the second column, towards the bottom, there is the name.
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It's one up from the bottom. There is the name redacted.
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Do you know redacted? Maxwell? I do, McCauley. Who is
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she Maxwell, She's a friend of Epstein's. McCauley. Is she
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a Massus Maxwell? She I don't think she was a messuse. No, McCauley.
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Why would she be listed under Florida Massus's Maxwell an
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input error? McAuley. Is this list any individual that would
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have sex with Jeffrey? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell, I wouldn't have any knowledge of that.
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there, and
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in the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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