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DJ Edubble Is Here... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hi, everybody, welcome into the After Show podcast.
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  Speaker 1: A little late today. Lots going on here, as always,
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  Speaker 1: lots of production and behind the scenes radio work that
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  Speaker 1: I have to do. You might think, will justin. You
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  Speaker 1: have a really cool job. You get to be on
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  Speaker 1: the radio and talk, and that is cool and I'm
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  Speaker 1: very grateful for that. There's a lot of other stuff
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  Speaker 1: that goes on behind the scenes, you know, commercials, productions,
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  Speaker 1: meetings that kind of make the show happen. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: here and I do have a guest walking in right now.
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  Speaker 1: He is plugging his headphones in first time ever to
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  Speaker 1: the After Show podcast. He is a longtime employee here
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  Speaker 1: at iHeartMedia, but for all different stations including JAMM of
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  Speaker 1: ninety four or five, including Kiss one to Wait, including
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  Speaker 1: w RKO, and many many others. He goes by the
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  Speaker 1: name of DJ E Double. Yes, Hey, you doing double
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  Speaker 1: doing good man? Do people call you double for short?
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  Speaker 2: They call me dub double e.
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  Speaker 1: Oh e E double E double. So E Double is
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  Speaker 1: a DJ. Obviously you can hear him on Jam of
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  Speaker 1: ninety four to five. You can catch him in any
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  Speaker 1: club from here to Tim Bucktoo on to on tour. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He also does a ton of producing work, voice work,
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  Speaker 1: all types of stuff. You like the utility guy here, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that it hurts. Is that disrespectful?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: It's the truth. But also we had conversations about this
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  Speaker 1: in the past. You were the utility guy at the
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  Speaker 1: time I was. I did. But there's pros and this
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  Speaker 1: cons Right. The con is, obviously, you know, not getting
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  Speaker 1: this big contract, not making all this money, although I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you're doing fine. You have a necklace that's probably
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  Speaker 1: worth twenty grand. I'm just saying. The pros though, is
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  Speaker 1: they don't typically get rid of the guy, the utility guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any threats. I mean I got hit
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  Speaker 2: with the furlough. Oh you did during COVID And then
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  Speaker 2: that's when it brought me back to RKO of all times, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the time of life we were in at that time of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yes, so you got for a load. How
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  Speaker 1: long were you fur allowed?
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  Speaker 2: Four six months? Well he did the first ninety days.
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  Speaker 2: Then they said, you know, closer to the end of
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  Speaker 2: the ninety I'm all right about to come back. They're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to extend another ninety days. Let's start doing
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  Speaker 2: a math set. That's six months. Yeah, but then they
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  Speaker 2: brought me back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. So you do a lot of work
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  Speaker 1: on Kiss. You produced the Ryan Seacrest Show.
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  Speaker 2: Still everything you hear on Kiss went away from seven
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  Speaker 2: to midnight is You?
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  Speaker 3: Is Me?
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  Speaker 2: Is You? And at the same time on Personality on
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  Speaker 2: jamming from nine to midnight, I'm competing with myself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you do nights now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got nights number one? Is that number one?
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  Speaker 1: No way?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? My demo I'm killing for one cheer.
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  Speaker 1: See you are you are making making it? You're making moves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you see see you see how you fish making moves?
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  Speaker 1: Is your wallet making moves?
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  Speaker 2: Ask the question, it's not moving in the right direction?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. All right. So I met
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  Speaker 1: DJ E Double. He was here before I started as
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  Speaker 1: an intern in twenty ten. You started as an intern
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  Speaker 1: Yeah before.
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  Speaker 2: That, yep, not too yeah, like a year, like a
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  Speaker 2: little under year over before you.
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  Speaker 1: So you were an intern on the Morning Show or
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  Speaker 1: well Romero Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: But I was doing like pup stuff too, Like I
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  Speaker 2: was helping like sometimes to schedule some music and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I was pretty much I came in dooing everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you were already done being
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  Speaker 1: an intern when I got there.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, how about this, I'll tell you the truth. My
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  Speaker 2: last day of internship, like you know, we think for
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  Speaker 2: the semester. We're not thinking, you know, the actual, you
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  Speaker 2: know business. So my last day, I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is my last day. I just wanted to be a
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  Speaker 2: mixer came on, I got the mixer. I was school
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  Speaker 2: all right. The day I was my last day was
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  Speaker 2: at that time a clear channel blood bath.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: So the person that I called to get in, I
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  Speaker 2: keep calling. They're not answering the phone. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I can't get in the building. I didn't get into
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  Speaker 2: like eight o'clock. And then they came in and said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: go see this person told you know what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the famous line, we can give you more responsibility. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I heard that. And then I just stayed on. So
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  Speaker 2: it's just like, oh, keep coming, keep coming, keep coming
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  Speaker 2: to like and they're like, oh, we need you to
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  Speaker 2: hear Nick. I'm like, I was done after this day.
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  Speaker 2: I thought we were done mind you, no job, no car,
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  Speaker 2: still in college. But I made it happen.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do. We make things happen. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we all have the similar story of you know,
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  Speaker 1: starting out as interns, maybe getting hired for little money,
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  Speaker 1: showing up working hard, and you know that's what you
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  Speaker 1: have to do to kind of make it to be successful.
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  Speaker 1: I think you have to put your time in. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: just happen.
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  Speaker 2: I think we want to talk about that. I think
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  Speaker 2: I put in enough time for me, somebody else and
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  Speaker 2: somebody else. But they say the best ability is availability.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. And I will say that I
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  Speaker 1: remember having conversations with you about the night show on Jammin.
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  Speaker 1: That was something that you would you had wanted wanted
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  Speaker 1: to get cause you know, you do have your air
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  Speaker 1: of the street.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they know me out there too, they do.
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  Speaker 1: You're well known.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a good you know what it feels
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  Speaker 2: good to move with no dirt on your name. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: I can say you got this, you did that, you
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  Speaker 2: know nobody had. There's no dirt on my name. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting you bring that up because you know me now
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  Speaker 1: you met me in twenty ten to I've heard the stories. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's heard the stories. But when you talk about your name,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you go to the city that I'm
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  Speaker 1: from Maybe not now, but you know, for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: if you brought my name up bad things, my name
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  Speaker 1: was completely tarnished because I had ruined every relationship I had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, done so many bad things. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've spent the better half of the last eighteen years
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  Speaker 1: kind of reworking my name and making it better. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I do have a good name.
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  Speaker 2: Now, have you went to right your wrongs?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, Well that's a that's a process in recovery.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever heard of the step
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  Speaker 1: working process, the twelve steps. Well one of those steps,
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  Speaker 1: so two of them are you know, creating a list
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  Speaker 1: and then make things right. So it's my family, my friends,
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  Speaker 1: people that you know.
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  Speaker 2: Did that make you feel like, aside from the recovery
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  Speaker 2: as a person, how did that make you feel to
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  Speaker 2: be like, you know, I know why maybe broke into
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  Speaker 2: this person's car. I'm not saying you did this whatever,
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  Speaker 2: just I did. Okay, So so that person's car that
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  Speaker 2: you broke into, like to go tell them like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I did do this. I accept all responsibility. I just
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  Speaker 2: want to apologize to you. However we can rectify it
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, Like, how did that make you feel.
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  Speaker 1: As a person free, completely change my life. Because they
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  Speaker 1: call it. There's a name for it. They call it.
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  Speaker 1: It's oh my god, I can't think of it right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's called like spiritual baggage that you carry because those
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  Speaker 1: those rights have not been wronged. So obviously the easy
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  Speaker 1: ones were not easy. But my family and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the tough ones were the money ones. When you owe
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  Speaker 1: money to.
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  Speaker 2: People, yeah, because they still want their money and they
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  Speaker 2: might put some interest on it since you seen them
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  Speaker 2: for so long.
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  Speaker 1: So one in particular, and this happened after I had
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  Speaker 1: gotten clean, right, I had to make a short story
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  Speaker 1: even shorter. I had met this in recovery. We became
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  Speaker 1: kind of friends, and then we had a big falling out,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I was this you know when I
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  Speaker 1: talk about my story of life, right, it's it's I
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  Speaker 1: was the you know, the addict man, and then I
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  Speaker 1: was the recovery man, and then I was the human.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, when I got clean, I was this
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  Speaker 1: great addict. I did all the drugs, I had all
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  Speaker 1: the scores. I was mister cool, right, That's all I knew.
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  Speaker 1: And then as you get into recovery, you become recovery man.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're the guy going to speak at all these events.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, that's your personality, So.
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  Speaker 2: That those that's a completely different, completely different Do the
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  Speaker 2: people from before like, oh you're too good for me now?
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes oh yes, especially old friends, old friends. But then eventually,
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  Speaker 1: after you do work on yourself, you just realize you're
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  Speaker 1: not addict man, You're not recovery man. You're just human.
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  Speaker 1: So when I was in the recovery man phase of
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  Speaker 1: my life, I was mister like, you know, speaking everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And I met this kid and we had a big
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  Speaker 1: falling out and I didn't like some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that he had said or done. So, you know, me
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  Speaker 1: who's like still partly street guy, but I'm recovery guy.
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  Speaker 1: I had some some really awful shit to him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, nobody likes you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just really bad stuff now and this is sober,
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  Speaker 1: this is sober me. Okay, big mistake, right, So he
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  Speaker 1: ended up going away, he stopped coming around because of
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  Speaker 1: what I said to him. Now, I did my step working,
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  Speaker 1: you know, made my list and he was on the
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  Speaker 1: list because I knew I had to write that wrong. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I met with my guy, my advisor, as you will,
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  Speaker 1: and we went over the list, and so as I
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  Speaker 1: started to cross people off the list as far as
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  Speaker 1: making amends, I got to this person and there were
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  Speaker 1: several of these types on there. I didn't know where
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  Speaker 1: they were. So I said to what do I do?
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  Speaker 1: And he said, well, God will put them in your
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  Speaker 1: life when he thinks the time is right. Okay, you'll know,
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  Speaker 1: he said, you'll know. God will show you. And so
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  Speaker 1: that was it. So fast forward a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see this kid and he was on the list,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm outside of a restaurant in some random place
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  Speaker 1: by myself, okay, and a car. I swear to God.
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  Speaker 1: The car pulls in, drives past me, parks right next
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  Speaker 1: to me, and a person gets out and walks right
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  Speaker 1: in front of my car and it's him, okay, And
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  Speaker 1: so I see him and I'm like, holy shit, and
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  Speaker 1: he walks right by. I don't do anything, and he
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  Speaker 1: goes in the restaurant. He was shocked, like hold on this.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on. So then I
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  Speaker 1: called my guy and I go, you'll never believe what
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  Speaker 1: just happened. I tell him the whole story just like that,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes, are you an idiot? Because remember the
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  Speaker 1: conversation where he said that God will put that person
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  Speaker 1: in You're like, well, God just walked him in front
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  Speaker 1: of your car. There you go, and what did you do?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't, but I ended up see him again and
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  Speaker 1: I made the emends.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know what's crazy that you say that there's
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  Speaker 2: a book called The Bait of Satan and they're saying
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  Speaker 2: that the key reason why a lot of people won't
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  Speaker 2: make it a church, I mean, not to church to
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  Speaker 2: heaven is because they don't forgive. So when Satan, they like,
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  Speaker 2: he gives you a foothold and that's the unforgiveness and
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  Speaker 2: it develops into a stronghold. And then by the time
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  Speaker 2: it's a stronghold, is that much more difficult to fight off?
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  Speaker 1: So you don't take the bait?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, don't take the bait first and foremost.
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  Speaker 2: But most people already don tak the bit, so it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're already in it. So basically, like the
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  Speaker 2: book just I'm not spoiling it for anybody. You should
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  Speaker 2: pretty much see what it is. The end of the book,
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  Speaker 2: like you basically say this long prayer and it's like
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  Speaker 2: releasing when you say the release thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I get it. Yeah. Well, the next step after
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  Speaker 1: the Ammens step is kind of an inventory step that
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  Speaker 1: you do daily, and that's when you kind of read.
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  Speaker 1: You do it every day. You think back to your
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  Speaker 1: day and you think about that I did I wrong? Anybody?
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  Speaker 1: Are there anything that I did that maybe I need
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  Speaker 1: to go back to? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like this makes you way more self aware than ever,
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  Speaker 2: way more.
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  Speaker 1: It completely changed my life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I would have been cool with
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  Speaker 2: you in your former life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have kept you at a distance, definitely
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  Speaker 1: at a distance.
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  Speaker 2: I still would have treated you any different because I
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  Speaker 2: deal with I have people around. The closest thing I
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  Speaker 2: had to a father figure is on the street smoking
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  Speaker 2: right now, right and it messes me up. But I
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  Speaker 2: never lost respect for him because he used to go with.
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  Speaker 1: My hold on, so hold on, hold on. So your dad.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know your dad?
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  Speaker 2: I know him like I think I seen him when
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  Speaker 2: I was seventeen and twenty one. At twenty six, I
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  Speaker 2: threw my hat in the ring, telling him, Hey, next
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  Speaker 2: time you're in the Northeastern region, let me know I'll
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  Speaker 2: meet you. I was trying to like be a man.
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  Speaker 1: So where was he? Where did he go?
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  Speaker 2: He was in the military. Soon as as soon as
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  Speaker 2: my mother got pregnant, he got himself stationed off a
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  Speaker 2: base and he ran to Germany. Then he got married,
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  Speaker 2: so he already had a girl. Oh man, yeah, kids,
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  Speaker 2: he had three kids.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like a drug thing.
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  Speaker 2: No. So the two different people. I'm telling you what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying right now is my biological father. Oh so
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  Speaker 2: he was. He was out of the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So my aunt, who's not even my real blood aunt.
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  Speaker 2: But I was raised like this. You can't tell me
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  Speaker 2: she's not my aunt. She had a boyfriend up until
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  Speaker 2: when she was like I was eight years old. They
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  Speaker 2: are no longer together. And I told you she's not
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  Speaker 2: my real aunt, and he was just with her. They're
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  Speaker 2: not together. He stepped in and just was a good
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  Speaker 2: male father figure. But he never stopped, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: you'd be like, man, I ain't wear her no more.
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  Speaker 2: Why am I keep on holding onto the relationship? You know?
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  Speaker 2: He's still that. So he used to like drive the
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  Speaker 2: mart bus. He would pull over to the side that
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  Speaker 2: just give me two hundred twelve dollars good, especially back
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  Speaker 2: then it was different. But now when he's smoking, Like
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  Speaker 2: one time I was, I left here and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let me call him, hit him up. I
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  Speaker 2: went and picked him up. I noticed that he's wearing
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  Speaker 2: clothes that are way too big for his his body,
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  Speaker 2: so he's using drugs. Yeah, So I pick him up
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know what he used to bring me.
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  Speaker 2: Put it this way, like sneakers. You know how we
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  Speaker 2: always talk sneakers. I wasn't able to get them as
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  Speaker 2: a kid. So Kangaroo Crossing used to have this is
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  Speaker 2: a sneaker spot. They used to have a bio and
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  Speaker 2: get one high five. That's the first time ever heard
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  Speaker 2: of Bogo was a Kangaroo crossing. So at the end,
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  Speaker 2: they used to do it in June. I literally he
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  Speaker 2: used to bring me there to June. I would buy
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  Speaker 2: two pair of sneakers and leave them under my bed
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  Speaker 2: for school next year. And I didn't wear him in
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  Speaker 2: the summer because I knew the likelihood of me getting
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  Speaker 2: a good shoe for my mother was slim.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So with that, so fast forward, I'm like, let
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  Speaker 2: me go get him, let me go get him a
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  Speaker 2: pair of kicks, take him out to eat whatever. So
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  Speaker 2: I go get him. I'm looking at I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in denial. I don't want to accept that the
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  Speaker 2: man that I know love is on drugs.
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  Speaker 1: But did you know he had a drug problem? Was
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  Speaker 1: he ever clean?
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  Speaker 2: He was clean, But I seen the I was in
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  Speaker 2: denial for years. I just didn't want to accept it.
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  Speaker 2: But I had to accept. It's like I'm just trying
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  Speaker 2: to like push it off the table, like it's not there.
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  Speaker 2: It's not there, it's not there. I know it's there.
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  Speaker 2: Soon I pushed my hand over. I feel it. But
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  Speaker 2: he came back around when I went to go get him.
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  Speaker 2: Mind you, he's still a father figures to my cousins
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  Speaker 2: and other people, so like he's not a man that
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  Speaker 2: stepped out and said I'm not messing with you on them.
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  Speaker 2: Still when he says stuff to us, we respect him.
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  Speaker 2: So I went and got him, broughtim a pair of sneakers.
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  Speaker 2: How it's probably like three four years ago. So got
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  Speaker 2: them sneakers, got them socks, everything, and and towards the end,
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  Speaker 2: I got him something to eat and I was going
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  Speaker 2: to drop him back off. He was staying in a shelter,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, I messed me up. So he was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: I need something else from you. He said it's a
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  Speaker 2: big one. I was like, what is it? Tell me?
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: He was like, I need a hotel room. I had
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: to sleep at McDonald's last night. Oh man, And I'm like,
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: what do you mean? He said, you know, he woke
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: me up and they told me to leave. But I
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: fell asleep at McDonald's. So I got in the room.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: But the room I got him. You know, those hotels,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: the bad ones. So I felt good about it because
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: when I walked in there with him, he should for one,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I would. I ain't even want to step in this room.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Miscellaneous carpet patches, nothing matched. It was. I spent more
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: in that hotel room than I would have spent on
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: a nice Marriott. But I'm just doing this for him,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: doing what he wants to do. He showed me a
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: piece of paper you opened up his inside his pocket.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: He said, look it, man, this is me. I'm surrendering
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: myself because I'm just tired of it. I don't want
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: it no more. I just I want to be clean.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: So I was happy about that, and then as soon
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: as I step out, I see the neighborhood dealer. Mmm,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to meet him. I know, he just got
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: the whole spot on lot.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, so did he choose that hotel to stand?
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Did so? Like, and I'm kind of probably still in
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: denial about that right at the same time. But he's
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: still out there, you know, using at the same time.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: But I never lost respect for him. But his daughter,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like not his real daughter. She told me,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: she said, hey, when you bought him those shoes, he
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: was so happy. He kept showing them off, he kept dancing.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: He was like, he was very proud that you did that.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, if I could walk around with easies on
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: my feet, I got you know, like whatever.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: We got a ton of stuff. So he that was collection.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: It was about four times the size of mind, just
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: so people know.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: A couple other things four times the size of his.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so she was just like, like, he was
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: proud of that. So I was like, you know what,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: that's a beautiful thing. I appreciate it, but.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So, what do you have an update?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: He's still out there. I walked past him. I had
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: an electric car the time was rent the electric car,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: and there's a parking garage in Fishburgh on the main street.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: So I walked in and I walked straight past him,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: and it was just like at the four o'clock, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: we got to be here early, sobody, and it was
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: just like a brief interaction.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: It just felt like he was outside four in the morning.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: And then I go to this barbershop when these dudes
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: were like, yeah, man, I seen him outside. He was sleeping,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: like sleeping and laughing. An ironic thing is the person
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: who was laughing was using before too, but he doesn't
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: understand the significance of what this man means to me.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: So I had to sit there in a barber chair
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: very calm, because I really wanted to say, yo, do
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: you remember when you were smoking? How was it? How
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: do people treat you? Because and if you've seen him
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: face to face, he would put hands on you. So
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: let's not do that. Because people love him, and every
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: everybody is a somebody to someone, right, So no matter what,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: there's a fiend that's out there that's looking crazy, somebody
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: loves that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: That's somebody's mother, somebody's son, somebody's dad. Okay, So would
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you ever want to try to reach out to get
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: him placed somewhere because I can help with that. I
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: work with Power of Recovery Maddie and Damon, and they
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: can they have facilities like they can they can put
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: him in touch, they can get him placed like today.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: So you let me know, I'll reach out to him. Okay,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: you know it's a very difficult thing. Oh they have
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to be like, they have to want it. I'm gonna say.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: You know, he said, make a short story, even shorter.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Long story, midget, is what we're saying.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, really long story.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I had a real bad interaction with a family member,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to the point where it got to where I was
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: going to do something to this person that I would
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: have really regretted. And I tried to help that person
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: with two different people. One of my friends that I
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: went to school with is doing so good with recovery
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that his boss gave him a whole operation to run
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: and he hit me up on when he was on
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: radio and he hit me. He was like, hey, just
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: hit you. Send a DM. I responded to him. He said, Yo,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you don't know what you did for me because I
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: was in the lowest low of my life and I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: was in isolation. But you spoke back to me and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that made everything that meant everything to me, said, I'll
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: do that all the time, like nothing's going to change,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Like I only change for the better. I'm never going
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to change for the worst. For him, he was, you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: in the lowest low, but he's bounced back so much.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: So I reached out to him, and he said, it
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: would mean so much to me for me to help
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: somebody who helped me. I reached out, gave him the contact.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: He never followed up. My boy. My boy said, I
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: strongly suggest impatient outpatiently just trying to do it on
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: your own. Impatient used all the resources that we have
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to make this thing really work. So the person just
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: brushed it off. Also gave megs of fame as a resource.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Brushed it off. Yeah, the person doesn't want to get
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: clean and it you know what, I don't care. It's
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: my mother's husband and it caused a rift between me
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and my mother. Me and mother had issues already, but
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: with him, he tried to say I disrespect to him
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: because of his addiction, Like no, no, no, do me
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a favor. Don't bring your addiction into this, because you
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: know my mother will enable you with the statements that
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: she says I'm not here. I didn't choose you. So
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: when I put up a boundary, I'm protecting myself. I
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: don't have to tolerate you. So with that, I try
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: to help him. So I can't empathize because I've never been,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: but I can sympathize because I can see what a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: person's going through. But when you don't accept the help
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that somebody sympathizing with you, what am I to do?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's not much you really can do, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: there we go. You know, that's just one of those situations. Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I feel really, I really feel that about about him.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And so he's out there right now, still on the street. Yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: my uncle is uncle. Yeah, and he's a great person.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Every person that he was a father figure too, we
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: all will sing his praises. And the drugs just got him.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what irony is. Irony is your biological
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: father who was essentially a deadbeat dad but wasn't a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: drug addict. He just for whatever reason had another family
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, but the one who ended up being
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: kind of your father is an actual drug addict, but
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: still was there for you what he should.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: He would never not show up, like there was never
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: anything if I ever. He put it this way. He
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: was funding a record label at the time. It was
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: just like a couple of artists, right, and he was
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: buying them all the equipment to record, and he said
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that's my He said, that's my nephew, and I'm gonna
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: put him out there like Kid Capri. The fact that
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: people believe in me means a lot. Yeah, because as
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a man, your father was with you in your life. Yeah,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: he affirmed you. I told you who you were and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: what it is. I never got that. So for the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: fact for somebody to say that they believe in.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Me, yeah yeah. And good for him too, because you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: say you did not have any father figure at all,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: what's the story, right, the streets become your father figure.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I guess why I grew up around all the streets.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Used I used to walk past the hustlers and they
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: would give me money to go to the store to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like they'd be like, hey, yo, give me a soda,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: keep the chain, give me a twenty. You're getting the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: cheapest soda you get keep. That was the person I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: was park. Yeah, yeah, but it was they all had
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: respect for me, and I just never wanted to be
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: like them. Yeah, I was locked in on me like
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I was never going to use a drug. I was
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: never going to sell a drug. I never smoke, never
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: drink in my life.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Well you you weren't BRILLIANTO music hip hop music like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: me as E.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Like this is crazy. It's going to show you the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: age father MC. I brought that video, you know when
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you do Show and Tell. Yeah, everybody bringing gerbils and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: numb Chucks and stuff in a VHS cassette so we
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: can watch music videos. So that's what it's always been
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: like that for me. So for the fact that people
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: see me doing music, this is no surprise thing.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be me too. I mean I grew
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: up hip hop, biggest fan funny story Show and Tell.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: My older cousin gave me Vanilla ICE's Ice Ice Baby
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: tape and I.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Brought that to Show and Tell, so you see like
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: when when when this is it? It's like, hey, guys,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we want to share that. We don't we don't care, Like, uh,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I never had a I never had a pet until
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I was like in middle school or so I had
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: a dog.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But music just like when you fall in love with it,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it's weird. There's some people that don't care for music
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: at all. How do you not care for music?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Potential serial killers?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: That's the way I feel. But for me, it's just
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: always been. It's as soon as I found it, like
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I just fell in love with it. Like so you say,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Vanilla Ice, I was jumping on my grandmother's bed back
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and forth doing the dances. So yeah, that's VH one.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That was that was But it was that like when
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: we had VH.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, things were better, man, oh way better.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: La gear, sneakers, la gear.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well you're like me where I You know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: my family couldn't afford Jordan's nikes. You know, we shopped
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the pay pay less. Yeah, that's what we shopped at.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So I always was into the sneakers but couldn't afford them.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And I always told myself when I get older, I'll
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: start buying.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And that you can't get away from them. Yeah, let
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: me ask you this. Did you enter the raffle for
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the Nigels?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I entered three.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Really, I got three right now, dude, I gotta be
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: honest with you. I'm like, really only into buying off
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: whites and traps, trap ones.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Well, the Nigels are the equivalent. I think Nigel's because
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you have to break by bricks. Things are called the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: brick after bricks, yeah, the fours right, yeah, yeah, so
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the I think Nigel might be above Travis.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Really well, they are tanking, the Travis resellers, A lot
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of them are tanking. But are you gonna get the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: pink ones that are coming out?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: No? No, I could flip. I could rock those real nice.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: They're not I mean they're pink. There's two different sneakers.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a dark pink and a light pink.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: If I'm telling you the truth, you know, we all
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: say this. I'm trying to stop.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am too.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So you swapped one addiction for another one?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I did? Oh yeah yeah yeah. So in twenty fourteen,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I went into so much debt. I spent ten thousand
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: dollars on sneakers in a year, and I maxed out
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the credit card. I had no money, and I'll never
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: forget the day. It was like one of those rock
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: bottom moments, kind of like with drugs, but I was clean.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I had an apartment with my wife, and I came
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: home one day and she needed the rent money and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't have it, and so she was like, all right, well,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you know, what the fuck are you doing? And I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was like I don't know, and she's like, tell me
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: what's going on. I told her about I owe all
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this money, and then I remember I was all upset
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and I walked into my bedroom and they were all
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: my sneakers. I go, there's all my money right there?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Are you happy about that? No?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Not at all?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: What did she said?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Not at all? You know we have a good relation.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: She's also in recovery, so you know, we talked through
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and got through it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Do you guys do speaking engagements together?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Not together? But we are asked to share at different time.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: She spoke at the World Convention for Recover and Recovery.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Would you guys ever do speaking engagement together?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: We would? Yeah? Have we ever spoken together?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: You?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: You know what might be dope? Think about relationship counseling, hmm,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: hand in hand with addictions because those things can those
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: things can happen because a lot of people that are together,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: they end up being on drugs together and then like
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: pulling them apart.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: So you might have a nice little targ you know
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: what you want to slide off of radio and going,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: you know, do some other things you know.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, on the show today, we somebody asked us. They
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: sent a talk back in and asked if each each
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of you, Billy, Lisa and myself, we're not working in radio,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: what would you be doing? And of course mine was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: probably recovery, you know, because I really have a passion
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: for it, for helping people, because I understand and I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: deal with it every single day. But yeah, the sneaker thing,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I've definitely slowed down on it, partly because in and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I know you have the storage two stage you have,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that's another level. But in my bedroom, I have one
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: wall with all sneaker containers because I get rid of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the boxes. Yeah that's my next move. Yeah, so I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: have like there's no more room. In other words, it's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the whole wall is taken up of sneakers. So my
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: poor wife has to look at these sneakers every single day.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look good.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: It looks awesome. Okay, it looks really good.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: See if it looks bad, then you know it's on
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: its way out. She's gonna say something.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It looks good. And it's really cool because when people
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: come over and I show them, which I love doing,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I just go over and I open the container, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I tell stories on each one.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So the off white ones that just came out, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: got them.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You got them? How much you paid?
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I paid rees?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I got retol. I didn't. The craziest thing is I
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: got that package on a Sunday night around nine o'clock.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Who delivers package? It's weird to the door and I'm like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: WHOA was it from your guy?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: No?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: No, these these I've won these off of Virgils, the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: yellow Canary, whatever it was. I got it from there.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I never win raffles like that, the fact that I
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: won that one.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Have you won them yet?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: No?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: No, I mean neither. So when you said about when
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you were a kid saving the sneakers for school, exactly,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: my first thought was, I'm saving those for I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: know when.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: That's like a labor ed isshoe. But you got to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: keep everybody because somebody's face and that that fabric is
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know about that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all white. If you if you don't know
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: what they are, they're they're Jordan ones, but they're virgil
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: app what's a long story. But they are all white
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and they get dirty quick. So I don't know those
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: ones I am too. I am too, So I'm gonna
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: go for the trap traps coming out both of them.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I like to get both of them. But I don't
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: really buy sneakers that much anymore.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I think that I'm at the point where I need
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to wear what I have. I have so much heat,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: like it's ridiculous, to the point where I'm forgetting about it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So I gotta I gotta get these fits off, like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I gotta show people I'm not one. I've been playing
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it cool on so many fronts, and now it's time
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to stop playing cool. I know Iceman came out, but
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it's time to know the ice.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Oh that I was going to ask you about that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that, mister. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: work on Jam of ninety four five. Okay, okay, I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: know you don't schedule the music. Well you play a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: lot of the music.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Well, we're playing some of the Iceman music. Now are
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you playing Janis?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: No?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Big mistake? Huge mistake? Please tell me you know? Are
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you on Janis? Janis s T f U. It's the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: best song on the album. That's gonna be the song
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of summer.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: There's there's like nine or ten of them that's.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: A good album. The Iceman is a good album, is great,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Little Birdie great. You know what I like?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: National Treasures, Yep, that's.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: A good one.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: That that make them make them well, No, make them
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: make them pay, yea, make them pay. I love that one,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: but that one's a statement. One thing that I don't
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: like about the project. Don't dis people who don't rap,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: so DeMar DeRozan, Lebron James. I would have put that
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: in a freestyle, let me go get it off in
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a freestyle, but they don't deserve a.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Song, right. But the double entendres were really good. He's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: really good, like the Kawhi. The Kawhi, Yeah, he was
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: smoll with that one, and then the really.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Good he got. He put it this way. Music's ecosystem
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: works way better when Drake is active, not just rap music,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: because he can pivot into all types of things. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I think the people need to understand that he's an
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: actor if you like literally you probably didn't see this
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: because you can't go on Instagram, but there's a post
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: with him and Kevin Durant and they're showing the new
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: sneakers and Kevin Durrant shows like a uh cowboy boot
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: with a Nike and Drake's like, oh, these are dope,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Like these are the next thing. You're like, He's like, yo,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you're a troll. I can't wear these. And he keeps
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like stunting with a whole and then he chose the
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: actual shoes. But when you see Drake's reactions, you have
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to understand that he's an actor before he's an artist.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: But acting is an art.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I give you a parallel. When Redman and methad Men
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: were acting and how high and they were goofy. It
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: was accepted, right because we knew who they were. Why
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is it not accepted when Drake does this.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good point the grassy dude.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. So like, mind you,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the dude has not acted since he started rapping. Imagine
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: when he goes into movies.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think he's gonna he.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Has to because think about this, all right, If he
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: produces the movie, he's making all the money. The soundtrack
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: is his music. There we go more money. Girls will
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: go to the movie theater with a blanket and a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: pillow and say I'm paying to watch.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The movie all day. Yeah, they will never leave the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: movie theater. Yeah, it will be a smart move because
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't. You know, he's forty now, right,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: so he's gonna keep making albums. I mean you can.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Jay Z did it. Jase Chilling though now Yeah, jay Z,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: although he might be coming out with something, he's I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: think he is. He's doing the shows in New York.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean those are kind of like thirty years,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: twenty five years.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I think he had anniversary anniversary ones. I mean, I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: know what I learn. What verse I love is the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: jay Z verse. It's probably the last one he did
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: on the Kalid album with Lil Wayne's on it and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: jay Z. It's like got three minutes he was going off. Dude,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he goes off on that. I always wondered when he
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: did that verse was kalied, like, dude, are you gonna
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: keep going here?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: The best thing about jay is he doesn't write, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that's a level of genius. I got a friend that
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: does it, and I'm like, he just he'll send me
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a voice note and I'm like, okay, so how do
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you store this thing? You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: if we write it down, we can fold it up
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and put it somewhere, come back and revisit it? How
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: do you store it in your brain? Like, how do
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you how do you have the mental capacity to store this?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Write it just out of the blue and then put
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it together and okay, let me put this in this
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: part of the Roll of Dicks. How do you revisit
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it years later? Can you remember?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually funny. I already knew that about jay Z.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And Little Wayne's the same. Little Wayne doesn't write it
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: all either. But a clip actually popped up the other
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: day of Rick Rubin on a podcast I think it
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was like Joe Rogan or something, and he was talking
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: about the different writers that he worked with, and he said,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Eminem writes all day. He keeps a notebook with him
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and he'll write. And he said to him, he doesn't
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: even use ninety percent of what he writes. He just
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: likes to be in the habit of writing. So he
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: has that, whereas jay Z does it right and he
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: just goes in and just it comes right.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Off the head. That's what he said. He said, y'all record,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I recall yeah, like that. It's like, yo, his I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: listened to Reasonable Doubt, and I hear certain things that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: he's talking on, like I'm just now getting to that
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: point in life now. He was what.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Twenties.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like best rapper ever to me, I'm
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: gonna say it's Jay And people try to say, well,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't be that if Biggie was alive and Jay
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: he broke it down and say, yo, y'all are stupid.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: If if Big didn't die, y'all would have got the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: commission we were putting an album together as a group,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like you guys would have been tortured. Yeah, you only got,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: we only got. I love it though, in Brooklyn's Finest. Yeah,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: it's the only two songs we got with them. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And another thing, Big l the freestyle big al Yeah
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that he just signed a Rockefeller.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Did you watch the jay Z sit down with The
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: New York Times.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch the full.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I you got to listen to the part where he's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: talking about song I'm writing, I was talking about Biggie, Yeah,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and he's talking about Brooklyn's Finest in the wordplay, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it's like, it gives me chills when I think about it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: The crazy part. You know that that song didn't have
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a hook, So Clark kent, so Jay went away and
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Clark can't go, Yo, what what were we gonna do?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I need you to come back for hook. He said, Yah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Man, put some scratches in it. So
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: when you hit jay Z Biggie Smalls, make it d
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that's that's Clark Kent. He had to go, oh, I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: gonna give you a very good story real quick. DMX,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I forget what album it was the one
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: that had y'all gonna make Me Lose my or whatever
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: album that was. So he was in the studio and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Deaf Jam came over there and they were like, Yo,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: here's the check.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: We need.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: A radio single has to be this song has to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be this, we need it. And they left. So DMX
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is in there. Obviously we all know the dm struggled
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: with addiction. So they X was like, Yo, go give
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: me my ship. I need my ship, go get it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: He was all right, Cool. They go out New York
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: for some stranger reason this night nobody had anything. His
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: U Swizz Beats Nephews came back. They put it on
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the tray and they give it to him. He said,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: y'all gonna make me lose my mind. So that that's
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: where that part came for right, and then he they
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: told him the link of the song and it needed
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to be in DMX. So Swizz Beats was like, yo, X,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I need you to like we got to hit this point.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: He said, all right, count me in, Swizzy. So he's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: like three two one, he goes it, just holds it
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: for the time. They so, so Swizz Beats had to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: save the day because actually he was like no, I
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: he just he was going through it. He couldn't do it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: So when you hear one two, meet me outside, Meet
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: me outside, Swiss Beats had to save that record, yeah,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Beats for the time. So you're seeing how the DJs
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and the producers have to step in for the artists.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a good story. Yeah. You ever hear
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the DMX story about how he got signed Lear Cohen?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh this mine will blow your mind.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So he gets Lear Cohen, who was is it Liar
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: or Lear Lear? I think it's Lear Yeah, big record
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: music executive. So he gets told about this artist DMX
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: is blown up on the street and they said he's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: going to be at this warehouse at this freestyle cipher.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: He's going to be there, so come so Leark Cohen
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: goes there and obviously he's white. So he gets in
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: there and it's like, yeah, he stands out. So he
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: gets in there and there's all kinds of like ciphers around,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: everyone's partying, and he's like looking looking around for this guy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Finally he's over here. So he goes over there and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: there's DMX and he broke his jaw recently, so his
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: jaw was wired shut. Okay, so he starts to kick
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: his freestyle and he's wrapping with his john shut, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like he can't open his mouth. But as he's freestyling,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: he's watching this. As he's freestyling, you can it stucks
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to open the stitches in his mouth or the staples
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: start to open one of the time, and before long
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: his mouth is wide open and he's just going crazy
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: doing this freestyle. Leater Carlin was like, I'm signing him.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get back. Can we go get
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: real talent? Did you did you? Did you see what
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Rolling Loud looked like this past year?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: No, trust you me who was the headliner? It doesn't matter. Okay,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: these people look crazy. There's no the love is gone,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the love that mean you have for music. Just imagine
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a kid that just buys the CD and says yo,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and he starts making hot takes and then saying like
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: he's music and everything that happened before isn't. It's like
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: they don't. I'm not seeing you have to pay homage.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't really listen to Marvin Gay, but I understood
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: and I respect for what he did. And then later
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: on a life, I listened to music, and I see why.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: But we didn't disrespect what came before us. We still
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: paid homage, at least respect before we paid homage. Right,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: That's what we are. These kids nowadays, they don't care
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: about the craft. It's so bad. We need to the game.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Push reset everybody. Go get new artists and really push
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: them the right way. Forget about trying to get seven
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: artists on one label. Go get one, make one stick,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: then get another one, make another one stick. We're trying
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to do too much. So much music out there, it
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It's oversaturated. Think about this. Back in the day. You know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: when we were growing up, you had album rollouts, you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: had all that. Now every Friday, new music hits Spotify,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it hits the radio, and it's just it's just it's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: so much too much.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: There's no connection to it anymore. And I almost feel
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: like being on social media for artists is too much
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: because there's too much access to you. I'm not saying
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: don't do anything. Still come around through the interviews with us,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: you know, hint, hint, but you don't have to show everything.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: That's why, Like, there's certain things that I keep to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: myself because then it's like, like you know, Ashley, it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: like you DJ just got to like share more, and Dad,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: it's like, I'm not opposed to sharing, it's just certain
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: things that I got to keep to myself. Or there's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: certain places like the addiction thing. It would never get
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: brought up over there, but with you, I can entertain
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: those conversations. So that's why I say, it's like, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: certain things we have to keep for ourselves. Like I'm
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: pretty sure you don't talk about you and your wife
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in the bedroom. No, I like to keep things private there.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: You go, yeah, I mean it involves private, so it
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: should be private. So that's what it should be. You
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: keep those things to yourself because one day this thing
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: is going to crash and burn and we're gonna have
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: everything on front Street, like oh hey, justin. This is
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the thing you do with your wife, like do radio?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: No more?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Like why are you now? I was overbearing with mine? Ye,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: so some things wrong?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to get off your chest?
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: No?
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: No?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: How about love life? Anything happening there?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: There was this one girl that was really into I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: just text her, well we we haven't been talking for
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a little while, but I texted her yesterday and she responded.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: She was like, oh, you're so great that I was
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: thinking about you the other day. So maybe we'll maybe.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: We'll u we'll get back to that, you know, something
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: on the horizon. Yes, good, this has been a great episode.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: It all happened on the fly too. I was gonna
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: do it by myself, and then you walked in and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: see God's plan.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Listen, He's gonna put him right in front of you.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I didn't make the mistake this
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: time that I made before.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You walked right in front of my car. There you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: are mad? Yeah, but thank you so much.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: So if you don't know the after show, the people
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that listen to this are the after show army okay okay,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and and they listen every single day to the regular
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: billion LEASA show and they listen to the after show,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: which is more raw. It's uncensored, and we can do this,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: we can do whatever. Yeah, but it's kind of a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes look at not just the show, but
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the people on the show and the people in the building.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. You know, it's crazy, right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I was running the board for w z x's morning
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: show in person haity at the same time. That's how
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: bad we were, as far as I think Kevin was to.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Pass away, right, Kevin Carlston, Yeah, a great.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: He's the only person that would beat me on the floor,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the only person be on the floor before me every
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: now and then. Every now and then I get him.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: He'd be here early. Yeah, he was the man, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: he went on vacation. So I was running the board
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: for him and personality with and then people that I
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: went to school.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: With, Hey, are you ready? I'm like yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: So, like I single handedly went over to whatever that
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: building was that we got the R and B station from.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I'm the one that poorted that or got that ready
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: to come over here. I maintained that then I was
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: when it relaunched ninety seven seven for the well Rumba
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: right then went to RKO. The only station I haven't
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: worked on is BZ, and I.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Don't want to. Oh yeah, well they're their own world.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Ye yes, I have their own world.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm not gonna say anything because they might listen.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't put anything there because you never know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you never know, you never know, you know what.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Bill and Jay are great people. I love those Oh.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Bill's the man.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Bill, we talked about basketball a lot.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, when was he a player?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: He's tall? Bill playball?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's really tall.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: He might I'm not gonna say you can still play ball,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: but Bill could do a little something on a basketball court.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how long he's gonna be able to
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: stay well.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Bill Flaherty is the head of w BZ and fun fact,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know his wife met his wife, No, his wife
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: runs w BZ TV.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Ah, these guys.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Because they used to be together BZ TV and radio.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: They met there and then it's split up. What a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: media house, TV and radio.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even want to talk when I get home.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Well, they're behind the scenes. They're
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: not on she's not on TV. She runs it. Like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: he runs the radio.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: You know, Bill's cool. He's one of the coolest people
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: in Yeah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: He's a good, well connected guy too. Yeah he knows
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: he knows everyone like I wouldn't like like Bill. You
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: know one crazy fact about Bill, You would never think
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: what kind of music.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Do you think he likes to listen to? I'm wanna say,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: country dembo? What the hell is that? Dominican?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Your here in the barbershops, kids?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I kid you not. He he was listening to the room.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: But he showed me like he was. He was on vacation.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: He was sitting by his little fire pit. He's smoking.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: He was like, I love the tempo. Oh my god,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not playing. He told me this, I can't.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Make it, so I so obviously I grew up getting
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: haircuts in Dominican and Puerto Rican barber shops because they
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: caught my hair the best. And my my guy right
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: now is fantastic fade room in Herol But it's the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: only barbershop. But then I caught your hair going and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: then wrapping in your air. I'm like, spin all over
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: my face. My god.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: So if you bring Bill up there, he'll probably sing
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the lyrics with you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Probably Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: What never thought?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Now? All right, E Double, thank you so much. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. You can come back anytime. Okay, hey, we'll
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: do it now. Is the real reason you came into
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the studio because you need my studio?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I always need the studio. We share a studio, so
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: he has a studio first and I have it later.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: But I make sure to keep it tighty. He does clean.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I don't play any games.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: In the He does a great job.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: The only problem that I had is when you guys
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: had that object over here and I had somebody in here,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: They're like, yo, what is that? I'm like, oh the object?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. How do I explain that the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: wooden cock?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: How do I explain that somebody coming in here and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: doing an interview and a street do it? Of all people?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I know, because you have rappers and the entourages come
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: in here all the time.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And then that's I'm like, it's not mine.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's me. It's actually Billy's. It's Billy Costas.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: It was a gift to him.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: That was crazy.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Anyway, E Double, thank you everyone else tomorrow, I'll be back.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Leave a talk back, especially for E Double. You have
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a question of comment for E Double. Leave it. I'll
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: make sure that he gets it and we'll talk tomorrow.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Stay cool, it's gonna be hot today