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Episode 15_ Real Evangelization · INSPIRE STORY

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Speaker 1: He play the intro music if you don't have.
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Speaker 2: But it's it's a snap activated system from the.
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Speaker 1: We need an intro still where it's like Welcome Back
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Project Live. Some people have it where it's all you know,
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formulated on its own.
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Speaker 2: That's boring, That's true.
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Speaker 1: This is a freestyle every time, Welcome back everybody for
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or to a or to the Spire podcast. Today, we've
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got a special guest, Audrey.
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Speaker 3: Every Ready, I'm Audrey.
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Speaker 1: Audrey is a friend of ours, but she's also a teacher.
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Speaker 3: At Nativity Catholic School.
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Speaker 1: And we will get more into that in one second.
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I just wanted to say it's me Fulton, here, me Nick,
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me Michael, and today we're going to be talking about
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is what it is to share our faith, the ways
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in which we share our faith. We'll figure out a
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real title, but we're talking namely about how we evangelize,
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the ways we like to do it, and who how
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we adjust the ways that we share our faith or
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share our persons with different people. But before we get
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into that, Audrey, would you like to just give us
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a quick intro to who you are and what brings
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you here today?
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Speaker 3: Totally okay, So, like I said, I'm Audrey. I'm friends
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with these guys. I've known these two since I was
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pretty little, but now I am a teacher. It's my
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second year teaching. First I taught at a public school
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down at a Catholic school, and both were good in
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their own ways. So I'm excited to share a little
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bit more about that. But yeah, I live in Kansas City.
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It's great, just kind of figuring out life at twenty
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four years old. So it's good fun.
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Speaker 1: And yes, yep, we look forward to our perspective, especially
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on teaching kids the faith. How you share that? Yeah,
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any other opening remarks from anybody otherwise we'll get right
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into the first question.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, each week we forget oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: So as part of our lint and stuff together, we're
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all writing down our spire stuff that we do each
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day SPI or something that day that we did that
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covers the topic. So we'll go through ours and then
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we'll just ask you a little bit. It's like something
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that you've you've like done recently that just is cool
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in one of those topics, I did not prepare for
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a pick a day, So I'm gonna go.
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Speaker 1: I wrote it out, but but I forgot yeah, bringing
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the notebook.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so let's see. Let's go Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: Last week, my spiritual is I couldn't sleep eight hours.
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Speaker 2: I woke up and decided to go to Mass. Was good.
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This is very chaotic.
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Speaker 4: I've had a very chaoticly, so normally I have a
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lot better ones. It's like something really is inspirations, Like
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I couldn't sleep. My physical was for some reason. I
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was hungry that day. I think I just didn't eat
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enough for lunch, and then I was hungry during like
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my six hours of being busy. But I but I
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did note down that I was complaining about it, so
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I'm like, I can work on this so I don't
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complain about feeling hungry when I'm not my intellectual I
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wrote a stick figure going oh.
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Speaker 2: Which is funny because I was at a class that day.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 4: I didn't do an office hour of that day because
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no one came in. Then relational, I hung out with
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my friends and I just loved seeing joy of people
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in music. I think I think people are like playing
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music and talking about music, and it was really cool to.
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Speaker 5: Just it's a bone house.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun. And then I didn't really have
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an opportunity. It felt like to evangelize, you know.
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Speaker 4: The evangelical was like I wrote down, like I don't
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remember anything where I'm like, I could have done something here,
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So that's that.
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Speaker 1: I can go. This day was a few days ago.
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I can't remember what it was. I forgot to bring
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the notebook, but I know in the morning I was
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able to go to Mass, which was nice, and then
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I prayed to Rosary as well that day. For physical
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I've been continuing on this. It's it's called a building
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from the ground up, so it's really strengthening, Like your tenons.
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Toes are calves also.
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Speaker 5: Like he said, and then you're like.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because your toes people don't know this, but
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your toes play a big part in how the other
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muscles activate. So like I had toes that like my
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brain forgot were there, and so then I didn't have
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muscles that activated in my leg and so then they
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were putting strain in other places. So then I've got
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a bunch of knee pain and can't do other things
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in workouts because I have to like re do the
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muscles and stuff in my legs from the ground up basically.
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So anyway, that's been when I did that that day
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intellectual there was a paper on suffering that I read
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from a friend of mine, and that was really it
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was sort of intellectual but also spiritual, but it was
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reading that specifically and then relational. I got to go
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out to breakfast with my sister, who I haven't She
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moved out like a couple years ago, and then we
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both were so busy with work and stuff. But now
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she's moved back in. So we got to go out
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to breakfast and hang out, which was really nice. And
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then evangelical would I would consider that sort of an
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evangelical I mean, we didn't really like talk about anything
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in particular except for things that we both had in common,
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and hung out and that was nice. So it's awesome.
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That's great.
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Speaker 5: So for me, I'm gonna do Sunday.
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Speaker 1: On Sunday, I woke.
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Speaker 5: Up, went to Mass with a bunch of people for
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spiritual physical I got my wisdom teeth pulled on Friday,
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so I wasn't I wasn't supposed to do physical stuff
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until today, so I didn't really do anything physical.
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Speaker 2: On surviving the pain that was yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this.
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Speaker 5: It was like four days ago, so I didn't do
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anything physical intellectual, Uh, just watching like theology YouTube videos,
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listen to a Trent Horn podcast, relational what do we
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do on some day? We went to Culver's with a
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bunch of people. We had some friends that were on
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spring break that left to go back to Florida yesterday,
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and so we hung out with them for a while
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and then evangelical. I'm working on this project for my
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mom and dad. They basically run a not for profit
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helping people who have kids with Down syndrome get like
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access to equipment and stuff, and so I'm working on
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I don't know what to call it exactly, I'm working
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on like a video thing for that for World Down
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Syndrome Day. But we're trying to like kind of advocate,
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I guess. And so I'm gonna count that as evangelical
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because it's nice.
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Speaker 3: That I don't know, do you guys want me to
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go through a spire.
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Speaker 4: But just something like you've done this past week that
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particularly stuck out in some way.
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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, I'll go just start off with the big
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ass and do spiritual. I've been reading and I told
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Fulton was over at my house yesterday, so I was
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kind of giving them the whole spiel. But I've been
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reading The Dolores Passion by and Catherine Emeric and it
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is super good. It's basically her vision of the passion
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that were revealed to her, and so that I've been
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reading like every day and it is super good and
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it is impossible to read without feeling like spiritually moved.
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Speaker 1: It's totally epic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was That's been my spiritual Lenten thing
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every day, which has been good.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, getting into the question, so we'll start down
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there with you, Michael, what is your favorite way to
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share your faith with people who are on the same page,
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who are on the same that makes it easier, Okay,
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on the book, like yeah, like if your Faith was
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a book around the.
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Speaker 5: Exact speaking of being on the same page of the
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same book, doing Bible in the year and doing a discussion.
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We have a big group that we don't all get
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together every time, but every other week we get together
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and we're going through Bible and year together. And I
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think I talked about it last time kind of, but
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we just have a discussion about what we read and
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then it doesn't always stay on that. Sometimes it kind
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of gets to just other faith based topics. But I've
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had a lot of conversations with people in that group
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that I hadn't really talked to about the faith before.
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My cousin, who I talked to about a bunch of
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other stuff, he came and we were talking about just
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the connections between the New and the Old Testament and
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just how interconnected they are, and how Jesus is kind
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of a type of oh my gosh, what's Abraham's son's name, Isaac?
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When Abraham sacrifices or is supposed to sacrifice Isaac. How
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that's kind of tied into Jesus on the Cross. And
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it's just like we talked about that kind of stuff,
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and I hadn't ever really talked to him about stuff
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like that before. So that was really cool. But I've
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had a lot of conversations like that through Bible Year,
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and so I would say that's my favorite way to
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talk to people who I agree.
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Speaker 1: With on the faith. Cool. Yeah, what do you think, Adre?
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Speaker 3: I love being on the same page with people. Oh,
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it's no stride, no conflicts, Like I know that you
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completely agree with me, so I feel totally safe and
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a lot more open. I think it's it's super easy
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for me at least to just open up and talk.
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So that's something that I really enjoy and I'll you know,
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bring it up whenever, you know, with like Fulton was
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over and I just kind of like, come into my
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living room, let me show you all the books that
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I'm reading like this, Yeah, oh my gosh. So it's
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like that, I is totally awesome. And also it helps
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because I can usually read the person and be like, Okay,
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I know that you're going to appreciate what I'm about
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to say, or just like hey, do you want a
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prey rosary? You're let's go to stations tonight? Or oh cool, yeah,
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you know, just knowing that they're going to be down
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with whatever I say makes it really easy to just
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introduce that or ask if they want to do something, or.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't think about them being on the same
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page sort of things like you know, I need something
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to go to mass in the morning.
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Speaker 2: It's mean sounds fun. You want to go with me?
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And it's like, oh yeah, someone on the same pages,
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like yeah, sure, some of my other friends are going
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to be like you want me to go to math
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that early? No, different different times pages are looking at
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you it's like I'm knock atholic.
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Speaker 3: But it's also it's like that early It's.
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Speaker 2: It's like you want me to wake up when.
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Speaker 5: It's like when you have a gym buddy who like
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forces you to go to the gym with them, and
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if he doesn't want to go, then you force him
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to go. And yeah, account because you both know what
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you're trying to get out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really good analogy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the question?
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Speaker 1: The question was what is your favorite way to share
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the faith? Share your faith with people that are on
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the same page so you don't have to get the
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barrier down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 4: I love how you say on the same page because
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I'm gonna say when we're literally on the same page,
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because like the body discussions that we go to, we're
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literally reading the audiences of Saint John Paul the Second,
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And we have a book and we open it up
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to a page and we're all reading it, and so
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we're all on the same page trying to like learn
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the I mean, the genius of JP two just how
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much he explains and.
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Speaker 2: Understood the world to be able.
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Speaker 4: To explain it in such a way and to try
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to understand it ourselves to be on the same page,
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and that it's like to share intellectually and it's like
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trying to understand something that that is my favorite way
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when we're on the same page.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty similar to what I like to do,
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which is it seems like audrey yours was like conversation
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was like the primary one. Just being able to talk
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about it whatever you're thinking about. Just being able to
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share with someone through their ideas and opinions that I
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like that a lot too. It kind of all comes
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down to conversation. I guess if I had to be specific,
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it would be I really enjoy when I'm trying to
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solve a pro like understand something with someone else, So
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it'd be specifically if there's like, Okay, here's something I
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don't understand, what do you think about it? And then
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when we can kind of go back and forth trying
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to get a clearer picture, especially if they don't really
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know exactly. It's not like a teaching thing, but it's
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kind of like you're learning through their perspective. I really
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like to do that, but you can't. It's really hard,
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especially if you're like it's a blessing to be around
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people that are on the same page that you can
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do that with without having to be like, Okay, well
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what do you mean by this? What do I mean
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by that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's give all the backstory first, figure out right.
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Speaker 1: It's nice to just be able to go into it.
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You have things that it's like you're approaching it from
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the same a priority, like you know it before, and
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then you can easily communicate. It's like you all know
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the same language. Is kind of what it's like, and
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then you can share, but then go somewhere new with
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that person and then you kind of always have that
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shared with them.
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Speaker 5: So that's kind of how it feels doing this most
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of the time. Honestly, the other day, neither one of
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us knew what we were talking about, but.
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Speaker 1: We were we were going somewhere.
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Speaker 4: But I like what you said about the It's just
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like we're on this, we have the same language with it.
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Because that is actually something too with someone who's not
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on the same pagees Like, some of the words I
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use just do not mean the same thing to you
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as they mean me, and so when I try to
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explain something, they'll completely misinterpret it. You know, if I'm
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talking like how I would talk physics with my physics friends.
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To someone who doesn't know those physics concepts, a lot
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of things are just going to go over the head
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just because they don't know the words. But like I
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could talk about that same exact level of complexity with
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someone using a different language and they could understand it,
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because you know, I'm not just using big fancy words
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like super conductive, like like what.
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Speaker 2: Is right?
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Speaker 4: Like I don't even know what that is, but it's
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like you've heard about it, Yeah, what is a superconductor?
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Put in the comments thing, I don't really know something
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about zero friction that like that makes.
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Speaker 5: No sense, like getting on the Masters and physics and astrophysics, astrophysics.
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Speaker 1: But.
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Speaker 4: It is funny because I'm studying neutron stars and it
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said that neutron stars are super conductors in the core
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and like, oh, okay, cool, I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 1: So the thing that I've heard about, especially with language,
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what it all, what this all sort of comes down to,
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is that if we all knew what we were saying
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when we said a word, like we knew the definitions
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the other person was working with, I feel like we
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would I feel like that's really what The problem is
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because if if I was, like, I believe in Jesus,
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you're just hearing Jesus according to how you would define
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him to find that word. But then if you knew
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where what I meant by that word, that would just
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completely change the game.
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Speaker 3: I think the biggest cause of a lot most arguments
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is just misunderstanding, and that like also stems from language
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and like being on the same page knowing what the
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other person means by what they say. And that's the
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biggest reason for just like arguments and then disagreements and whatever.
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It's like not understanding Okay, well what do you mean
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by the core thing that you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually would lead into if you are having
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a conversation, let's say, with somebody who you know is
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not on the same page or you don't really know
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what page they're on, how do you communicate with them,
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Like how if you had to share specifically about like
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your life or your faith or your practices or whatever
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it is. Because when people are like, hey, what do
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you what do you like to do? And you're like, okay,
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do they know like what prayer is? If I say that?
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Or if I'm like, oh, I read this or read
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that or like doing this with friends, and it's like,
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so how do you how do you approach that barrier
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almost of them not understanding or not having exposure to it,
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and then you still wanting to share but not give
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them the wrong impression.
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Speaker 5: I have a lot less experience with this, so I'm
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gonna like push it there for now.
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Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I'll take it.
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Speaker 4: I'll continue with this analogy of like being on the
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same page because I think it's hilarious how that's the
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terminology is.
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Speaker 2: It just fits so perfectly. You know.
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Speaker 4: It's just like if we're on different pages, then assuming
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can I can't just like look over and like read
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the page on I'll ask them questions. It's like you
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just really got to understand like what they're thinking, how
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they're approaching it, because if they're on a different page
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and I started talking about chapter six and they're on
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chapter four, it's like that they they won't there's a
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whole chapter that are missing that they didn't have don't
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have that information on that I do, And so it's
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just like, oh, what chapp doing on? Like what are
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you learning now? It's like, Oh, this is really cool
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thing that you get to in the next page. It's
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really cool. Yeah, but yeah, just like to try to
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understand where it is that you you actually disagree or misinterpret.
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Speaker 2: Because I would.
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Speaker 4: Last semester, I was having a conversation with my friend
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and we started just like disagreeing on this one thing
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so much, and it's like going back and forth like no,
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this is you're not thinking about it right. It's like, no,
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you're not thinking about it right. And then we really
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broke it down and the reason was because we had
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different definitions of the word abstract.
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Speaker 5: It's like that's the kind of conversation only Nick.
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Speaker 4: Then we had an hour long conversation of like how
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the word abstract is used. You know, I use it
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in the sense of it just like you get more fundamental.
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It's like it doesn't really apply as much. And he says,
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like you get more like specifics, like literally like polar
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opposite definitions of the word, which is why we had
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such a disagreement on.
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Speaker 2: What it was.
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Speaker 4: But it's like it's literally is because we have different
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definitions of the word abstract.
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Speaker 2: And it's hilarious.
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Speaker 4: But just to try to through the conversation through interacting
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with another person, to be like Okay, so we disagree
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on this point, which means is all of this just
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a disagreement on this point, or is this something more
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fundamental that we're like, Oh, this is actually where we're different.
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We don't understand that we differ on this point.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's almost like the more important thing, which
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it's easy to get caught up in, like where the
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disagreement is because you almost assume that they know what
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you're trying to say, but they're like not seeing it.
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And then the reason people always say you should listen
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is because you're trying to understand what they're meaning or
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trying to mean.
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Speaker 4: Yes, no one ever says what they mean, not like intentionally,
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they just don't know how to express it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like what their fundamental belief is and like how
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they fundamentally see the world, And then that would inform
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why they're saying things the way that they're saying. But
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if you just are listening to what they're saying or
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hearing what they're saying, but not listening to get down
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to like what's underneath, then you aren't on the same
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page because you don't know how your fundamentals and their
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fundamentals really relate.
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Speaker 3: If I may teaching moment from last week. I'm teaching this. Really,
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I'm teaching uh well, I have fractions or long division.
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I can't even remember what it was. But I was
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going to my one of the older teachers. I'm like,
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I don't know how Like it's like some of these
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kids get it, some of the kids don't get it,
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and I don't know what to do because like I
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need to like move on, like we gotta keep going.
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And she's like, Audrey, you got to back the train
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up all the way so that everyone can get on board,
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and only once everyone is on board where the train's at,
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then you can take off and keep going. But you
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got to back it up all the way to square
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one and then let everybody get on first. I was like,
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oh my gosh, that makes so much sense. So it's
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like when you're having those kind of disagreements, it's like
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you got to take it way way way back to
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the like definitions of the very words and then until
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you're on the same page, and then you can take
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off and have a productive conversation.
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Speaker 1: But that takes so long.
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Speaker 3: It takes so long. Yeah, I know that's what I said.
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I was like, oh my gosh, this is gonna She's like, yeah,
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but if you don't do that, then you're never They'll
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never be able to get on, they'll never be able.
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Speaker 2: To get a channel taken off.
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Speaker 4: And they're like, bye, yeah, yeah, the train analogy is
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pretty good for that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but then how are you supposed to have
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like in converse? Okay, so if you're in a conversation
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and you don't have let's say you don't have the time. Really,
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would it be better to devote the time towards bringing
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the train back to what like those fundamental things of
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how they view or is it better to of like
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how they view the world, or is it better to
21:52
just share your faith and like in a conversation where
21:57
you just sort of share maybe your experience or your
22:00
or your relationship with God or what that looks like,
22:03
or what you've learned or sort of who you are.
22:06
Or is it better to almost allow it to go
22:08
back even though you't just have that much time, right,
22:12
or they won't really have ever thought about it before?
22:16
What would you say about that?
22:19
Speaker 3: I think for me it would be more helpful to
22:24
bring the train all the way back and get down
22:28
to like it's like what are we really talking about?
22:30
For like, that would help me the most, And so
22:32
I think that's what I would do for other people,
22:34
is like, even if we don't have that much time,
22:36
even if we just get through like a tiny bit
22:38
of what I wanted to talk about, at least now
22:40
they're like they have that basis and now they're ready
22:44
to build on that. So I don't think I would.
22:47
I think I would bring it back.
22:49
Speaker 5: I would say the same thing because I know that
22:51
in the past when I've had like disagreements with people,
22:55
it only gets resolved once we go back to square one.
23:00
And then once we go back there, it's like, why
23:01
didn't we just do that in the first place, Because
23:03
I don't think it really has to take that long.
23:06
Like if it's in your case where you're like in
23:08
school and you're like teaching them, I'm sure that that
23:16
might take a little while. But then I also think
23:18
maybe it's if we're going to keep on going with
23:21
the book analogy, you have to find out if you're
23:25
on the same page as somebody, but you also have
23:27
to make sure you're like in the same book, because
23:30
somebody might be reading.
23:35
Speaker 2: Has thirty eight pages because maybe.
23:39
Speaker 5: We talked about Alex O'Connor all the time. Maybe I'm
23:41
reading about theology from the point of view of William
23:45
Lane Craig, and he's reading about it from the point
23:47
of view of Christopher Hitchens. And it's like, if I
23:50
talk about something to him, if I bring up something
23:56
that's based on my worldview and the book I'm reading
23:59
in my perspective, he's not necessarily going to understand it
24:02
because it's not the way that he was brought up
24:06
understanding it. So I think if you want to reach
24:10
a point of agreement, you kind of have to go
24:12
back to square one to make sure you're both operating
24:15
within the same framework.
24:16
Speaker 1: Okay, so may let's leaving out the if you're teaching
24:21
kids like with adults, if you are going back to
24:27
so if we really believe that ultimately everybody is thirsting for,
24:32
or desiring or drawn towards God, then going back to
24:39
those fundamentals is actually where you would find middle ground.
24:44
How does that sound?
24:45
Speaker 2: Yeah?
24:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, because everyone has middle ground. Everyone has something they share,
24:51
some fundamental belief that they understand that they share with
24:55
each other. You know that there's so many people who
24:58
have nasty arguments about this political topic or that moral topic,
25:02
and it's just like, okay, we could disagree on this
25:06
one point and so it's like backing up the train
25:08
all the way to the beginning is good.
25:10
Speaker 2: But there's also some context dependence.
25:12
Speaker 4: There's definitely some times in which you can just recognize
25:15
that we differ here and move on in some other topic,
25:19
recognizing that difference and being like we can account for
25:21
this now and then and then move on to some
25:25
greater topics. Like, Okay, I understand you'll be coming at
25:27
it from the point of view Christopher Higgins and this
25:28
dude from Christopher Langley.
25:31
Speaker 2: Is that right with ane.
25:33
Speaker 5: William lane Craig what I said, But you can say.
25:36
Speaker 1: With Christopher Hitchins and atheist William Lane Craig's a really
25:41
big catholic of ologies.
25:42
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, cool, But yeah, so it's like once we
25:45
understand that, it was like.
25:47
Speaker 5: Sorry, I just started throwing names out. I should make
25:49
sure everybody knows what I'm talking about.
25:51
Speaker 2: Before I say that we weren't on the same paege.
25:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we don't have to go all the way
25:56
down to the fundamentals of why do we disagree on
25:58
this topic?
25:58
Speaker 2: But like, okay, we disagree.
26:00
Speaker 4: Here is where we separate, and then we can account
26:02
for that in later conversations. But also you do not
26:06
want to get caught up in the disagreement. Like if
26:10
you're getting caught up in the disagreement and it's just
26:12
like you're just battling it up at this top level.
26:15
If you're doing that, that's when you need to go
26:16
down more fundamental. Okay, because if it's just like, no, no,
26:21
I believe that this abortion is good for this reason. No, no,
26:24
it's for this It's like, okay, let's break it down.
26:27
Let's get to somewhere where we both agree, where we
26:32
both agree, and then it'll build up from there and
26:35
at some point we will deviate. But once we deviate,
26:38
we'll know why we deviate, and then it's not just
26:41
an argument of you hate women or a you murderer.
26:48
I did not see it that way. That's a good point,
26:51
but I'm not changing my mind for this reason.
26:54
Speaker 2: I think.
26:55
Speaker 5: I think that's part of the reason I don't like
26:57
it when people have the fire and brooms like repent
27:01
and you're going to hell, like stop doing that bad thing,
27:04
and they just tell you straight up, it's like you're
27:07
going to hell.
27:08
Speaker 1: If you do that.
27:09
Speaker 5: I don't really like it when people start from that,
27:10
and I guess I didn't really I don't know exactly
27:13
why I don't like it, but it's almost like it's
27:16
a turn off. But it's also like, you should start
27:18
from that is not step one. Step one is not
27:22
You're going to hell if you do this.
27:24
Speaker 4: If you're on the same page with them, then I
27:26
Grimstone works out nicely because just like if they're like, yeah,
27:30
I understand it's wrong in this and that, and if
27:33
it's like it's a big deal, and it's like if
27:35
you're on the same.
27:36
Speaker 5: Page, because if it's like a Catholic and I'm talking
27:39
to somebody who shares my same values and we grew
27:41
up together and we have the same framework that we're
27:43
operating in, and then I'm like, listen, man, this is
27:48
you know this stuff. I know you know this stuff.
27:50
We're going to go through that and you shouldn't be
27:52
doing that, and this is why. And you can do that.
27:55
But if you're gonna just talk to a random person,
27:58
you cannot just assume that they are operating within the
28:01
same framework as you. And if I'm at Umsel and
28:04
I see a dude with a you're going to Hell sign,
28:07
and I see a Muslim who walks past them, It's like,
28:11
she's not gonna understand why he's saying. Or I guess
28:15
a Muslim is probably a bad example because they share
28:17
a lot of the city, they might understand, Okay, So
28:20
if there's an atheist that walks by, then I can't
28:24
expect them to understand like why is lust bad? Why
28:29
is hating people bad? Why is stealing stuff bad?
28:31
Speaker 1: If?
28:32
Speaker 5: And that's not to say that they can't understand those things,
28:35
but you can't just automatically make the assumption that their
28:37
understanding is based on the same thing as you. So
28:39
I think that if you're in those situations, you should
28:43
start off from a place of not where do you disagree,
28:46
but where do you agree? And like Nick is saying,
28:49
work from where you agree up to the point that
28:51
you disagree at because that'll help you find out like
28:53
where you actually disagree.
28:55
Speaker 1: I really like that. Yeah, something that I learned was
29:00
so basically the fire and brimstone situation is truth if
29:06
it is true, but it's not truth with grace and mercy,
29:10
And that was the whole thing Jesus came for which
29:13
is the law is truth, and he came not to
29:16
abolish the law, but to fulfill the law basically with
29:19
grace and mercy. So then you could look at love
29:22
is truth with grace and mercy, and so that the
29:26
way to communicate with someone isn't just giving them the truth.
29:29
It's about giving them truth but with grace and mercy.
29:32
And oftentimes that might not be saying the exact truth
29:36
because they're not even able to receive it. Because if
29:38
you don't have trust in a relationship built up where
29:42
they know you are coming from a place of love,
29:47
then they're never going to be able to accept truth,
29:50
whatever that may be. And so then I'm the same
29:52
way with the fire brimstone, you know, the people that
29:57
hold the signs, because you're like even even some ways
30:01
that in homilies or in different like apologetics or Christian
30:08
kind of growing up with this perspective that it's like
30:10
you're a sinner, you've sinned and you're no good and
30:14
you need Jesus. It's like that never really worked because
30:17
it was kind of like, Okay, I get it, I
30:20
need Jesus Ah. Where's Jesus Ah? I don't you know whatever?
30:23
But I feel like there wasn't as much of an
30:25
emphasis on the grace and mercy aspect to draw you
30:29
enough into be able to receive the truth that you
30:33
really did hurt Jesus when you sinned. But if you
30:36
don't really know how much he loves you and what
30:39
that love means and what that love feels like, then
30:41
when they say like you need Jesus, like you you sinned,
30:44
you were bad. You see him up on the cross,
30:47
you did that, You're like, what the hell is the
30:51
weirdest thing to get?
30:52
Speaker 5: And so I think, yeah, because again, the grace and
30:55
the mercy and the love is the starting point. Like
30:58
that is square one use because in the Garden of Eden,
31:02
it wasn't just God creates people and all of a
31:05
sudden they're all just like sending all over the place,
31:07
and that's their nature. Like the beginning was the grace
31:12
and the love and the mercy. And another example that
31:14
I kind of just thought of with you talking about
31:16
it might be the truth, but it's not saying it
31:19
the right way. And I'm just gonna keep on using
31:22
the analogies because if I'm trying to teach my eight
31:26
year old sister about how to find the area of
31:30
a circle and I go up to her and I'm like,
31:32
the area of a circle is pi r squared and
31:34
she's like, what does that mean. It's like, that's true,
31:38
and that's how you find the area of a circle.
31:39
But she has no idea what any of that means
31:42
because she doesn't have the foundation to work up from.
31:46
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, that's very interesting.
31:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, And in conversations with people, I've also found because
31:55
so many like it's so it's so natural in a
31:58
conversation to defend your point to death and it's like
32:02
I'm not even talking about like major moral issues or
32:04
this or that. There's some very minor things, like when
32:08
you're playing a game of social deduction and there's a
32:10
slight disagreement on the logic therein.
32:14
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't want to talk about it.
32:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, well sometimes we've played a lot of Secret hitl
32:23
Over the Week. It's a good game, but like, you
32:27
can get so focused up on the logic and like
32:29
my view on how it works, and then you just
32:31
butt up against someone and you just disagree back and
32:33
forth and you end up losing the game because of it.
32:36
But I found in conversations it's good to make concessions
32:40
for the point of conversation, not like, oh now I
32:42
believe it this way. But if you're having a conversation
32:45
and you're disagreeing, and it's like we can't resolve this.
32:48
This when we split, we can't resolve that. It's like, okay,
32:51
so we can't zip this zipper up a little higher.
32:54
So instead, I'll take your path. And it's like, let's
32:57
suppose starting from this fundamental point, this is where we first.
33:00
Let's take this path and I'll walk with you. It's
33:02
like this isn't my belief, but like I'll walk with
33:05
you on this and we'll follow through. Last week in
33:10
a discussion group, I heard a story about Giovanni. He's
33:15
some saint, not sing I don't think he's a saint yet,
33:19
I don't know.
33:19
Speaker 2: But he was a priest.
33:21
Speaker 4: In Italy and he heard about this this one kid
33:25
that was really getting into Marxism and it's just like
33:29
really enjoying the communist ideas. And so what he did
33:32
was he went up to this this kid's house with
33:35
all the Marxist books and it's like went up to him,
33:39
sat him down, plopped the books and it's like we're
33:42
reading these and at the end of it.
33:45
Speaker 2: You have two options.
33:46
Speaker 4: Okay, you're either going to renounce Marxism and remain Catholic,
33:51
or we will make you the best Marxist ever. And
33:55
it's just like because he had such a fundamental belief
33:57
in the truth that he's like, I will walk this
34:00
path was you because I know that this doesn't go
34:03
to where you're wanting it to go. And when you
34:06
see that, I'll bring you back to where we disagree
34:09
and to say, what if you take this path with me,
34:11
and where does that go?
34:14
Speaker 3: I think a huge part of evangelization is just being
34:20
empathetic with the other person, which is like it's like, Okay,
34:23
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm gonna walk
34:26
that with you, like you said, and I'm gonna love you,
34:29
and I'm gonna be loving and I'm gonna like try
34:31
to understand where you're thinking. And that is like the
34:35
only way that you're gonna get them to believe anything
34:39
that you believe if it's you know that they're in
34:42
contention with each other.
34:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, huh. Those are really good points. I like
34:47
that I had an actual specific question unless you go on,
34:51
I was just gonna say.
34:53
Speaker 5: People only know or people only care what you know
34:57
once they know that you care is escally that yeah,
35:00
mm hmm.
35:01
Speaker 1: They don't.
35:02
Speaker 4: They don't care that what you know if you hate them,
35:05
it's like, b I don't want to be near you,
35:08
I don't want to hear your but I want you gun.
35:10
Speaker 5: From You might not hate them, but they might think
35:12
you do because you haven't like.
35:14
Speaker 3: But if you take the time to, like, bring all
35:16
the Marxist books over and say, let's go through this
35:19
page by page.
35:20
Speaker 2: I will spend the next six years of my life
35:21
with you.
35:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I know that you love me, and
35:23
so I'm interested in Like something that you're saying is
35:28
intriguing at least.
35:29
Speaker 1: But how do you be empathetic and understanding with somebody
35:32
that is very opposite? And it seems like nowadays we're
35:37
in that where no matter who you meet, they could
35:39
be I have no idea where you're coming from, and
35:43
believe things that are not good for them and not
35:47
things you believe. How are you How can you be
35:49
empathetic still without compromising your own beliefs or just doing
35:55
it for selfish reasons.
35:59
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is not even with
36:02
the other person. But a lot of it is just
36:04
like I'm gonna pray for you because I've tried my
36:08
best and it's obviously it's not working. So then you
36:10
just I mean, because I'm the kind of person that
36:12
I'm not going to sit there and argue with you
36:14
all day. It's not my nature. I don't enjoy that
36:16
at all, and so I would take a step back
36:21
and take a break and then just focus on praying
36:23
for that person. And that's it's kind of the route
36:29
I would take.
36:30
Speaker 5: I would also say empathy, like you don't always have
36:32
to put yourself in the situation with the person. Like
36:35
maybe you bring the Marx's books over, but if it's
36:39
something that this person thinks is okay that's more destructive,
36:44
or something that you know is bad, you don't necessarily
36:47
want to put yourself because you're talking about like how
36:50
you do it without compromising yourself, because you do want
36:53
to make sure you don't compromise yourself if you're going
36:55
to enter into that. Because you could take there's two
36:58
different routes you could take. You could separate yourself from
37:01
it a little bit and you could pray, and that's valid,
37:04
but it's also valid if you want to actively do something.
37:08
But then if you're going to actively do something, you
37:10
have to make sure you're not compromising yourself in the
37:12
process of trying to help them. So I think there
37:15
also is a fine line between empathy and then putting
37:23
yourself in a compromising position. So if it's the Marxist books,
37:29
if you believe what you believe firmly, you're probably not
37:37
and you understand why the Marxist books don't make sense,
37:40
and you're going into that with the knowledge, then you're
37:42
probably not putting yourself in like a compromised position. But
37:47
if you're maybe I'm trying to think of a good example,
37:51
Like a good example it's applicable to people, because that's
37:59
always the hard one. Let's say there's a concert. I
38:06
don't know who an artist would be where going to
38:09
their concert would just be a very morally compromising thing.
38:16
A lot of them don't give me one.
38:19
Speaker 1: I don't care who.
38:20
Speaker 3: Travis Scott's actually a good one.
38:24
Speaker 5: So if my buddy is like, I want to go
38:26
to the Travis Scott concert, and I'm like, I don't
38:28
think you should do that, because I think that that's
38:31
I think maybe the subject matter isn't good. Maybe he
38:34
has satanic imagery and maybe you know, there's a person
38:37
that died at one of his concerts and that's not
38:39
a great thing. So like, I don't think you should go.
38:43
I should not then say, but I'm gonna go with
38:47
you anyway, just so that we can understand why we
38:49
shouldn't do this together. I'm gonna go and put myself
38:52
in that position with you so that I can understand it.
38:54
You could also say the same thing with like if
38:56
you have somebody who's struggling with like lust or porn something,
39:00
then you don't want to then be like, oh, you
39:03
you do this thing, and I'm gonna do this thing
39:05
with you so that we can understand. Like that's obviously
39:08
you can't do that. So there is a fine line.
39:10
I guess I didn't really have that much to say
39:12
about it, other than there is a fine line between
39:14
empathy and whatever the word for that would be.
39:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there is a fine line. Like definitely prudence
39:19
is involved.
39:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess that's kind of the word.
39:21
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you can't break this marks and
39:24
books to people if you're shaky on your faith, And
39:26
it's like way really and it's like and it's like,
39:31
so a lot of it is like in order to
39:33
take the path to someone like one, it needs to
39:36
be a path that going down that way would be fruitful,
39:40
you know. And so that I was talking about, like
39:41
in an intellectual sense, it's like, Okay, we disagree on this.
39:44
Speaker 2: This No, intellectually I agree with that, just like you
39:46
brought in it.
39:46
Speaker 4: That's a really good point, like the other ways we
39:48
can disagree with people and walk with them or or
39:51
like try to pull them away. But yeah, there's a
39:55
lot of prudence involved, because like you gotta work on
39:59
yourself too. It's like if you evangelize to someone else,
40:02
it's like if you don't have anything to share because
40:06
you don't actually know you're own faith.
40:07
Speaker 2: That well, you're not gonna do well.
40:09
Speaker 5: I can't remember. And this would be the situation where
40:14
you do want to just separate yourself and go pray
40:16
for this person. Yeah, And one of the videos that
40:19
I was watching earlier today, actually I can't remember if
40:21
it was Timothy or Titus. It's one of the books
40:24
in the New Testament, but it says something along the
40:29
lines of do not let new converts become bishops, lest
40:34
they fall and be shaken or whatever. And it's like,
40:38
if this person is just starting on their faith journey,
40:40
maybe I'm super pumped up about apologetics. That doesn't mean
40:44
that I need to go debate Christopher Hitchins right off
40:46
the bat, because I probably don't know half as much
40:49
as I think I know. And so what you're saying
40:51
about like being actually being strong in your faith before
40:57
you go down that route is also super important.
41:02
Speaker 4: And also when you go down such routes, like to
41:05
recognize that, you know, saying, Okay, let's suppose this is
41:13
the case. Let's suppose let's start from this standpoint. I
41:15
disagree with you, but let's suppose that to recognize that
41:19
considering the intellectual options isn't doubting yourself like being just
41:27
being like, okay, suppose this this, let's follow the logical
41:29
conclusions of this there for that because you get to
41:32
a false conclusion doesn't make you a bad person, because
41:36
you clearly started from a false premise in your point
41:39
of view. So it's like to recognize, you know, I
41:42
can say, let's redefine how I define the word abstract,
41:47
and then we'll see is that all we were disagreeing
41:49
on in this conversation between my friend and I, it's like, oh, yes, okay,
41:55
but then be like, at the end of it, I
41:58
still have the same definition of abstract in my mind.
42:00
Speaker 2: I will never use it the way that he describes it.
42:02
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, to be firm enough in
42:05
your faith to be able to say, I'll look at
42:11
it from your point of view and without violating the
42:15
sense of self by looking at it through someone else's view.
42:21
Speaker 2: I thought I clarified, but I didn't. Never mind.
42:23
Speaker 1: I mean, hmm, okay, So that's a lot to think about. Yeah,
42:31
I actually I have another specific question for Audrey. So
42:34
you said you worked in public school first and then
42:37
now Catholic school. So what was the what's the contrast
42:40
between the two on how you can share your faith
42:43
and how you work in being who you are and
42:46
what you believe, but also having the pressure to not
42:49
do that because it's a public school.
42:54
Speaker 3: I being at the public school was really good for me.
43:01
I think. Yeah, so being around like my kids and
43:14
my coworkers and all that, I had such an intense
43:19
desire to like share and like be It's like, okay, like,
43:22
are we on the same page. I want to do this.
43:24
I want to talk about this with like somebody, I'm
43:26
so it was a lot of loneliness that you're being
43:30
at that school and knowing that it's just me. But
43:35
then also it was a cool amount of responsibility being like, wait,
43:39
it's just me, Like this is so cool. So I
43:43
did really like sharing what I could with my kids
43:47
when it was relevant. If they like came up to
43:50
me and asked me a question about what happens when
43:52
we die or like is God real? I always talk
43:58
to them about that and was very open to having
44:03
discussions and conversations, and I didn't try to hide who
44:11
I was, even though it was hard. It was like
44:13
awkward sometimes with like mostly coworkers, just because you know,
44:20
during Lent it was like, Okay, we're having a big
44:21
pot luck and I can't have anything because it's Friday
44:25
and whatever. So that was hard but also cool to
44:29
be like, you know, yeah, I can't eat any meat
44:33
today because it is Friday and I'm Catholic and that's
44:35
just like how it is, and kind of being open
44:38
to if they wanted to talk about it or ask
44:41
me any questions. And I was totally open to that.
44:45
But I think the biggest thing was just sharing the
44:49
faith of my kids and being open to talk about
44:53
it when I was there, and like you know, praying
44:56
in front of them was a big thing, just like
45:00
if it was my morning prayers or something, because they
45:03
like would notice that and then ask questions. They're super curious,
45:07
and so I didn't really try to hide that cause
45:09
I was like, this is good for them to see
45:11
and see what this looks like, and like talking to
45:14
them about lent or like Saint Patrick's Day. We did
45:16
a lesson on Saint Patrick. So it was cool just
45:20
being able to share that, and it was a good
45:23
feeling of being like they are really curious and like
45:28
they want to know more and they like learning about
45:31
this stuff.
45:32
Speaker 5: So that was so I guess I have a question
45:35
about that then, because like it's spirit alive, for instance,
45:39
Like I want to be better at I guess evangelizing kids.
45:42
That sounds kind of weird, but like I want to
45:45
be better at that. But I feel like for me,
45:47
it's really difficult to kind of put myself in their
45:50
shoes almost, and I kind of frustrate myself a lot
45:54
trying to explain things like if it's spirit alive, somebody
45:57
has a question during a small group, like I know
46:00
the answer to this, and I'm trying to explain it,
46:02
but it's really hard for me to explain it in
46:04
a way that I feel like makes sense to younger people.
46:07
So yeah, I just like, how do you personally go
46:12
about that?
46:12
Speaker 1: Then?
46:12
Speaker 5: Because especially if somebody's asking questions about like where do
46:16
we go when we die? And like, I've never had
46:18
to try and explain that to a kid, but I
46:20
don't really want to try. Yeah, it's like I don't
46:22
know how I would do that, So I guess, like,
46:24
how do you go about that?
46:26
Speaker 3: I because I'm like, I'm so young. It wasn't that
46:30
long ago that I was asking these questions and wondering
46:33
these same things, and like I remember how it felt
46:35
to like be curious and like be asking questions about
46:39
God and all of that. So I try to put
46:43
myself in their position and imagine what that feels like
46:47
and what kind of questions and what explanation would make
46:51
the most sense and like hit the hardest for them.
46:55
So I do that, and then I also just think
46:58
back to like how did I learned this stuff? And
47:01
what stuck with me? Because when I think back to
47:03
like how did I learn about heaven and death and
47:07
all of these big concepts. I remembering the stuff that
47:10
really stuck with me, And so that's just what I
47:14
relay back to them. Interesting and also just like watching
47:18
verbal or non verbal cues of like when are they interested,
47:23
when are they like, oh my gosh, tell me more
47:24
than they're leaning forward? Or when am I kind of
47:27
losing them and then switching to keep their attention?
47:33
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, because then I guess you could tell
47:36
like maybe I should talk more about beauty and how
47:40
you can see God in nature instead of you know,
47:44
causal chains and actuality and all this stuff. And it's
47:47
like maybe they don't need to know about all of
47:49
that deep stuff, and maybe I just need to talk
47:51
about like how you can see God like and everything.
47:55
Speaker 2: I don't think you called to me be a grade
47:56
school teacher.
47:57
Speaker 3: No.
47:57
Speaker 5: I took Myers Briggs actually, and it told me I
48:00
would be a good preschool teacher unless I was teaching preschool,
48:03
unless I was teaching disabled kids. That's what the myers.
48:06
Speaker 2: Burgs in particular.
48:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's specific.
48:11
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess you have to be a preschool teacher.
48:13
Speaker 1: Now was there any moments that stuck out in your
48:17
time at the public school where it seemed like there
48:19
was someone almost like very open and you got the
48:24
chance to really see them grasp something maybe they wouldn't
48:27
have grasped had you not tried to share something. I think.
48:34
Speaker 3: It was cool because at the school that I was at,
48:38
the kids were It's in the middle of nowhere, it's
48:41
a public school, the parents weren't great, and most of
48:46
the kids were living in poverty. So I think the
48:49
biggest thing that I did for them when I was
48:52
there was just love them unconditionally no matter what they did.
48:56
And there are a lot of problems, let me tell you,
49:00
but I think that's the thing that stuck with them
49:03
the most. And I hope that I did an okay
49:08
job of showing them that, like, this love that I
49:12
have for you is like coming It's not coming from me,
49:15
like it's coming from somewhere else. And so I did
49:18
my best to like convey that. But I don't know.
49:21
I don't know if they got that, but I do
49:24
know that they were changed like that. I noticed changes
49:29
from the beginning of the year to the end of
49:31
the year, and that was really cool.
49:32
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
49:35
Speaker 1: That is the epitome of being Jesus for people is
49:39
not being like, yeah, I have this theological concept and
49:43
this guy seemed to register in his mind. But it's
49:45
like I love them unconditionally and they left knowing that
49:49
this love that I experienced from this person comes from
49:52
Jesus or comes from That's crazy.
49:55
Speaker 4: That's awesome And honestly, such a great gift that you
49:57
gave them through that. Yeah, And such a great gift
50:01
that you got being able to see.
50:02
Speaker 1: The fruits of it, Oh my gosh.
50:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
50:04
Speaker 4: There's so many gifts that you can give to people
50:06
that bears fruit five ten years down the line that
50:09
you'll never see. And so to just be able to
50:12
be like something I did was good, and it's like
50:14
that's awesome.
50:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's being a teacher. It's awesome.
50:18
Speaker 2: I guess you could teach it. You see some more
50:19
immediate effects.
50:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, immediate not so it's like, okay, did you
50:24
grow up and remember how to do long division?
50:28
Speaker 2: Yes? Do long division. I'd be like, wait, what was
50:31
the strategy?
50:32
Speaker 4: It's like, I do a lot more advanced math, but
50:35
I'm like, when you do the thing is wait, I'd
50:39
be able to figuet out.
50:40
Speaker 1: I know.
50:40
Speaker 5: I hate it when you like are in college and
50:42
you do like a super advanced equation and then you
50:44
have to do just basic addition and you can't remember
50:47
like where you're supposed to carry.
50:48
Speaker 4: It's like eight time I should know this. I'm like
50:54
doing matrix multiplication in my head like eight time seven.
50:57
Speaker 5: I don't know what this is, but you know Jesus,
51:01
so that's you remember that and that is universal awesome.
51:07
Speaker 1: Any other closing thoughts or questions I was.
51:11
Speaker 4: Gonna ask about because you said public and then and
51:13
then Catholic schools, Like what's your views on like the
51:15
different ways you can approach that, Like like you approach
51:18
public school differently than you did Catholic school. I presume
51:20
because of what you allowed to do, because I heard
51:23
that some public schools are like so strict they like
51:26
don't let kids, you know, say they are like say
51:30
the sign of the cross at meals And it's like what, Yeah,
51:33
that's crazy. So it's like do you notice a big
51:35
difference there? And it's like do you prefer the public
51:37
school or the Catholic school?
51:38
Speaker 3: I noticed that I'm a lot happier just being able
51:41
to like share my faith, and it's it comes down
51:44
to being just a back up together. It's like it's
51:46
being on the same page and being like, Okay, you
51:49
guys know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about
51:52
like the Eucharist or Adoration or any of this, Like
51:55
they know what I'm talking about. So that is an
51:58
awesome feeling. And then you know, being able to go
52:03
to daily Mass and participate in Adoration as a class,
52:07
pray the Rosary, all of that and being able to
52:11
continuously teach them about that is the coolest thing and
52:16
it's so fulfilling. So I do like the Catholic school more.
52:24
But I think that there was a lot more growth
52:29
in the public school, which is weird just because they
52:34
were starting with nothing and these kids are like coming
52:38
from loving families and they're being brought up in their faith.
52:41
So not to say like one is worse than the other,
52:47
but I've noticed I noticed more growth in the public
52:50
school than I did in the Being in the Catholic school.
52:53
Speaker 2: More challenging, but almost more fulfilling.
52:55
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, almost. Yeah.
52:57
Speaker 4: Have you noticed yourself being able to do like more
52:59
things with the kids, because like in public school, where
53:02
we just like in class teaching them and then they left.
53:04
Speaker 2: Because when you're talking.
53:05
Speaker 4: About like oh, go to adoration or for the ROSI
53:07
with these other kids, Like I don't actually know what
53:10
like grade school teachers do. I just picture teachers as
53:13
sitting at the front of the classic this is what
53:14
we're doing today.
53:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do all kinds of stuff. I mean we'll
53:20
go up to church and do adoration as a school,
53:24
which is awesome, or pray the Rosary in the classroom,
53:27
or I start every day with we're doing the hallow
53:31
app I'm doing that a lot this lent, so we
53:34
do the one for kids every morning, which they are into.
53:39
And then just being able to you know, we're going
53:41
through the Old Testament in religion, so talking to them
53:47
about that, letting them explore that and doing different things
53:50
is really fun. But yeah, it's yeah, it's different, but
53:57
we are We can do a lot more stuff and
53:59
I have a lot more freedom with what we do,
54:02
which is nice.
54:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, like when you're at the public school, what was
54:04
he like day of teaching? Like like did you like
54:07
what did you do throughout the day, just like.
54:10
Speaker 3: The core subjects and everything, and then you know, deal
54:16
with kids with behavior problems of course, and then so
54:21
it was you know, it's a normal day minus the
54:24
religion piece.
54:25
Speaker 2: OK.
54:26
Speaker 3: Basically so all your normal subjects math and English and
54:30
science and everything. But yeah, but it's cool with the
54:35
Catholic school because I can tie religion or try to
54:41
into every single subject. It's like math, science, How can
54:45
I show them that God is present in each of
54:49
these and like teach them how to learn, you know,
54:55
how this is related all related back to God, which
54:58
is cool also a learning experience for me because I'm like,
55:01
I don't know, I'm gonna you know, for.
55:05
Speaker 4: The scientists that are going to grow out of that,
55:07
grew out of that. I'm just like, well, when I
55:09
was in like third grade, you know, my teacher, my
55:14
teacher taught me that, like religion is tied into science,
55:17
and it's just like and then to just keep that
55:19
love going and it's like high school and college with
55:24
that and then like a passed. It's like that creates
55:27
such a good thing because like so many feels like separated.
55:30
Yes that it's like no, everything is so interconnected. It's
55:34
like if you can share that with the kids, like, yeah,
55:36
I can see why you enjoy that.
55:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun.
55:38
Speaker 5: It's cool waiting for one of those kids to grow
55:41
up and explain the trinity like a fraction. They're all
55:46
one third of it, but it's all just one.
55:48
Speaker 3: Dude. I'm so using that. We're doings next week.
55:54
Speaker 5: I'm basically a teacher.
55:56
Speaker 3: I'll have to take a video and like send it
55:57
because I'm so doing that. That's awesome.
56:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. It sounds like when you were
56:05
at the public school, there was a form of love
56:07
that you had to take that was you almost were
56:10
I think what stood out to me when you were
56:11
talking about that was that you were like, man, I
56:14
feel so alone in this, but then it's like or
56:17
it's like I'm the only one, but then it's like
56:20
I'm the only one. That I think that's really cool
56:22
because it's you're taking this perspective of you can't necessarily
56:27
teach them about the faith, but you can be a
56:29
witness to your faith and love in loving them. Yeah,
56:33
and so that's the form of love that you had
56:35
to take for that person, for those children that were
56:38
on that page. Like it seems like if we're talking
56:42
the pages of a book, the train goes back to
56:44
whatever page you're on, and then that's where you go
56:47
and you be with someone and that's the act of love.
56:50
And then when you're on the same page with someone,
56:52
you guys are just wherever on the track, but you're
56:54
learning about the same things and you're able to love
56:56
them in that way. But at the end of the day,
56:58
the act of love is almost allowing them to be
57:01
on the train of love. So that's what I think.
57:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jesus is the conductor.
57:10
Speaker 4: He is the way I guess the Pope would be
57:12
the conductor.
57:14
Speaker 1: Jesus is along the whole thing.
57:16
Speaker 2: Jesus is the tracks.
57:18
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, I like that.
57:19
Speaker 5: The Holy Spirit is the holy Yeah, that's what the
57:23
Holy Spirit, the conductor of the pope is train.
57:25
Speaker 2: May the Holy Spirit would be the color and the
57:31
engine powering it.
57:32
Speaker 4: Like like Jesus said, I am the way the truth
57:34
in the life, so Jesus would be the track totally.
57:37
Speaker 1: Jesus is all of it.
57:38
Speaker 2: Well, I mean everything the Trinity.
57:40
Speaker 1: Is really about. It's only a fraction.
57:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, So a lot of people have issues with the
57:48
like the one third definition understanding of the Trinity because
57:51
like they're not.
57:52
Speaker 2: Separated in that way. The rock is good enough for me, like.
57:55
Speaker 4: It's good enough some people. Some people have gripes with it,
57:58
and it's like it depends.
57:59
Speaker 1: On don't use it.
58:00
Speaker 5: You don't use it on like your coworkers.
58:02
Speaker 1: You just use that.
58:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, kids, kids love it and they're like whoa.
58:06
It's like yeah, but I do like you. I would say,
58:09
Jesus is.
58:10
Speaker 1: The checks Okay, just come back to the Holy Spirit
58:14
is the fundamentally take me back. Where are you coming from?
58:18
Speaker 4: I'm coming from Earth going to Heaven, which is where
58:20
God is. God the Father is, and the Holy Spirit
58:23
is the cold powering that the train that follows along
58:26
the tracks of Jesus towards the Father.
58:29
Speaker 1: I like it, like that perfect.
58:33
Speaker 5: All aboard Jesus train.
58:35
Speaker 4: If this was explained to me when I was youngest,
58:37
like I loved trains, it was like so cool to
58:40
have the connection. I just like trains because they were cool.
58:45
But it's like wow, I could think of them in
58:47
other ways too.
58:51
Speaker 1: All right, Well, in closing any final remarks or what
58:54
did you take away from this.
58:57
Speaker 3: Conversation, I just want to say thank you for having
59:00
me because this was fun. It was chill and I
59:04
like to hearing about all the different views. But they
59:08
were all kind of the same because we're on the
59:09
same page. The tracks, God's the fuel, Jesus mic drops awesome.
59:19
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming on, enjoy to have you here.
59:22
That's awesome.
59:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was it for this episode. We hope
59:26
that whoever was watching you enjoyed. Whatever was listening you enjoyed. Also, Drew,
59:31
thanks for getting all the way to the end. And yeah,
59:36
so this is how do we know it's actually at
59:37
the end.
59:38
Speaker 2: Maybe only watches like cafay through them.
59:40
Speaker 5: He says that he watches him.
59:41
Speaker 3: All the way.
59:42
Speaker 2: I trust him.
59:42
Speaker 1: He did exclaim the free shirt that we put at
59:44
the end.
59:45
Speaker 2: That is a good point.
59:45
Speaker 1: So we at least no nice.
59:47
Speaker 2: I wasn't doubting you, Drew.
59:48
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, anyway, thank you guys for watching.
59:53
I guess we'll do an outro prayer.
59:55
Speaker 2: Audrey, what do you do as with you like your children?
1:00:01
Speaker 1: Imagine that memory?
1:00:03
Speaker 3: So I like that we can do that all right,
1:00:05
Name of the Fathers, that Holy Spirit, Remember almost gracious
1:00:10
Virgin Mary. That never wasn't known that anyone who fled
1:00:13
to Thy protection, implored Thy help, or saw the intercession.
1:00:17
Speaker 2: Was left and had inspired.
1:00:19
Speaker 3: By this confidence, I fly into the version of Virgins,
1:00:22
My mother to thee.
1:00:24
Speaker 1: Do I come before the ice.
1:00:25
Speaker 3: Lands, simful and sorrowful mother, The word incarnate despies, petitions,
1:00:31
but in thy mercy here and answer me.
1:00:35
Speaker 1: Father. All right, thank you guys for watching. We will
1:00:40
see you next.
1:00:40
Speaker 4: Week, and we'll hopefully I have out you back in
1:00:43
sometime in the future.
1:00:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:00:46
Speaker 3: I love that.
1:00:49
Speaker 1: Peace.