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Live from the Kennedy Space Center for Artemis 2 Part 1 · Made of Stars

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Speaker 5: I'm Wes Carol here with my good friend doctor Sean
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Speaker 5: Cruising from Columbus State Universities Coca Cola Space Science Center.
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Speaker 6: Hi Sean, Hey, Wes, what a great day, right?
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Speaker 5: We are doing this week's show on a Tuesday. You
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Speaker 5: know we normally record on Thursdays. We're doing it in
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Speaker 5: the evenings, late afternoon. I guess on Tuesday because we
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Speaker 5: are taking the show mobile this week.
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Speaker 6: We are at.
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Speaker 5: Kennedy Space Center, and we thought, why not do a
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Speaker 5: show while we're here, I mean, it just seems appropriate.
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Speaker 5: We don't normally get to do a show like this
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Speaker 5: on the road, so we're here doing a show on
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Speaker 5: the road, and we thought, I mean, the opportunities here.
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Speaker 5: And here's the extra good part is our plan is
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Speaker 5: to be able to talk about more of our adventures
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Speaker 5: here on next week's show. So it's kind of kind
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Speaker 5: of be a two for about our Kennedy adventures. But
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Speaker 5: next week we will do the show recapping what we
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Speaker 5: experience tomorrow. So it was a pretty cool day, Sean.
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Speaker 5: I mean, we started the day waiting on the arrival
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Speaker 5: of a barge and then it arrived with a very
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Speaker 5: precious cargo, and then there were some pretty important and
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Speaker 5: fun interviews that I was able to do today while
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Speaker 5: you watch the bar drive.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a very special edition of our Native
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Speaker 6: Stars podcast because Wes and I got to be invited
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Speaker 6: down to Kennedy Space Center and hang out with some
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Speaker 6: insiders by the way here at Kennedy Space Center and
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Speaker 6: see some things that you know, you just typically don't
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Speaker 6: get to see. And one of those things, as Wes mentioned,
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Speaker 6: is what's known as the Pegasus barge, which is a
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Speaker 6: giant it's a barge, it's a big ship, but it's
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Speaker 6: it's kind of like a tunnel. And inside the tunnel,
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Speaker 6: inside this enclosed area is a two hundred and twelve
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Speaker 6: foot tall booster for the Space Launch System, the main
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Speaker 6: core stage of the Space launch System, which has four
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Speaker 6: RS twenty five engines attached to it. If you don't
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Speaker 6: know what that is, those are Space Shuttle main engines
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Speaker 6: that have been converted now to the Artomis program. This
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Speaker 6: thing's a moon rocket, friends, and the main power plant
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Speaker 6: for this moon rocket, a rocket capable of lifting very
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Speaker 6: heavy payloads, including people, out of Earth's gravitational field, to
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Speaker 6: escape that gravitational field to fly all the way to
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Speaker 6: the Moon. This core booster stage is the main power
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Speaker 6: plant for that. And so these R S twenty five engines, well,
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Speaker 6: they're the highest thrust to weight ratios engines ever created
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Speaker 6: by human beings. These are humanity's greatest rocket engines. And
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Speaker 6: so when you strap four of those babies onto a
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Speaker 6: giant tank capable of holding over seven hundred thousand gallons
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Speaker 6: of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, that's quite a firecracker.
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Speaker 6: And that's what we got to see come ashore today.
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Speaker 6: Now it's still inside the Pegasus barge. And I don't
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Speaker 6: want to do too many spoiler alerts, but some things
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Speaker 6: are going to happen tomorrow that we're going to get
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Speaker 6: an even better view. But it's been an exciting day
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Speaker 6: here at Kennedy Space.
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Speaker 5: So this thing was constructed over in the Gulf Coast
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Speaker 5: and then I guess it started with Mississippi, then to
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Speaker 5: New Orleans and then put on this barge as it
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Speaker 5: was being transported here around Florida and then arriving officially
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Speaker 5: earlier today for us here on this Tuesday. So at
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Speaker 5: Pegasus barge. Do we know how long they've been calling
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Speaker 5: it that? Because you know, I've been pushing the Pegasus
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Speaker 5: name to replace horsepower when it comes to rocket engines,
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Speaker 5: because I feel like when we started talking about horse power,
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Speaker 5: I don't know that it's a good you know, ratio
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Speaker 5: when we start trying to figure out how many horsepower
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Speaker 5: is this engine? Pegasus power should you know, be like
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Speaker 5: a thousand horsepower or something. That's what I've been pushing for. Anyway,
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Speaker 5: I just think they're.
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Speaker 6: Still I always get those units of conversion wrong, so
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Speaker 6: I'm a little confused on those. But I'll have to
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Speaker 6: bring that laminated car that has my units of conversion
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Speaker 6: from horsepower to Pegas's power next time I'm here.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think if my Pegas's power idea has
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Speaker 5: somehow made it to these guys and they're using it
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Speaker 5: for the barge.
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Speaker 4: I'll settle for that.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's not what I wanted, because I wanted
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Speaker 5: a new unit of measurement that I came up with.
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Speaker 5: But anyway, that aside, So this thing, the timing of
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Speaker 5: this was kind of funny for us today because I
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Speaker 5: was waiting with a group that was about to go
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Speaker 5: off to a super secret Okay, it wasn't a secret,
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Speaker 5: but it was a super cool location, but it was
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Speaker 5: where interviews are going to take place in some photo
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Speaker 5: ops and things, and you decided you were gonna stay
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Speaker 5: behind because you wanted to see the arrival of this barge.
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Speaker 5: So and other groups that went for their interviews, it
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Speaker 5: timed out for them that they were able to do
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Speaker 5: the interviews and be back for the arrival of the bars.
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Speaker 5: So we split up today so that you were able
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Speaker 5: to do that. And of course, just as I'm about
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Speaker 5: to get on the bus, we see the things starting
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Speaker 5: to come in and I was like, well, of course
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Speaker 5: that's the timing of this, uh, and where I was
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Speaker 5: going to go today. We had some restrictions on things
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Speaker 5: that we could take because it's a functioning facility where
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff happening in it. They're building,
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Speaker 5: they're building pieces of rockets in there, and I could
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Speaker 5: not go in wearing any sort of jewels. I'd take
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Speaker 5: my wedding band off, I had to remove my watch,
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Speaker 5: I had to leave my cell phone behind. I did
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Speaker 5: have a camera with me. It was in my backpack
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Speaker 5: that was being, by the way, sniffed by dogs, because
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Speaker 5: you have to do all of that. That's always a
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Speaker 5: fun experience. By the way, the last time I had
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Speaker 5: my bag sniffed by dogs, I was I was doing
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Speaker 5: some work with, you know, a president, and it was like, oh,
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Speaker 5: they got to sniff your bag before, you know, that
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Speaker 5: makes sense, And this made sense. They were sniffing the bag.
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Speaker 5: So I couldn't even go into my bag to take
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Speaker 5: pictures of this barge coming in. But you were there
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Speaker 5: to get the photos, and we have shared some of those.
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Speaker 5: You've done them on your personal Facebook page and then
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Speaker 5: also on our Mative Stars Facebook page. We did those
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Speaker 5: yesterday and if you're checking this when we released the
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Speaker 5: show on Thursday, there are probably even more pictures from
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Speaker 5: what will now be tomorrow's event, the Wednesday events for it.
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Speaker 5: So you'll get even more photos for it if you
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Speaker 5: check that. But you actually got to see and we'll
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Speaker 5: get to my interviews in a minute, but you got
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Speaker 5: to see this thing really coming in and you were
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Speaker 5: there for sort of that buzz that kind of swept
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Speaker 5: over the press that was there, right.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I got to be out there with a
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Speaker 6: large contingent of the national press who was covering the
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Speaker 6: event of the arrival of this booster. Friends were going
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Speaker 6: back to the Moon, right we as a country, And
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Speaker 6: it was reminded today that there's a Canadian astronaut on
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Speaker 6: there too, so this is an international effort to send
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Speaker 6: human beings back to the Moon. But that core stage
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Speaker 6: again on this barge were two hundred feet long. It's
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Speaker 6: a big vessel. And as it came through the bargeway
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Speaker 6: into the area where they have what they call a
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Speaker 6: turning base, and it literally did have to turn around.
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Speaker 6: So tugboats are required in order to be able to
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Speaker 6: turn this barge. So a couple of tugboats and folks.
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Speaker 6: It's fun to watch these guys because they're so skilled,
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Speaker 6: these people that drive the boats and the tugboats, they're
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Speaker 6: so skilled that maneuvering these gigantic vessels around, but it
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Speaker 6: came in and did a pirouette in that turn basin,
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Speaker 6: and what was the front had to be facing away
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Speaker 6: from shore, what was the back had to be facing
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Speaker 6: towards shore. So they needed a little bit of help
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Speaker 6: from the tugboats to get it into that orientation. And
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Speaker 6: to watch all that maneuvering take place with delicacy and
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Speaker 6: with precision was a really fun thing. It got very
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Speaker 6: close to the shore, so we got some really good pictures,
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Speaker 6: as Wes said, And check out our social media for
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Speaker 6: this show Made of Stars podcast and also for the
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Speaker 6: Coca Cola Space Science Center at Columbus State Union and
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Speaker 6: you'll be able to see some of those photos as
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Speaker 6: it comes in. But then it docks at a at
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Speaker 6: a at a dock area that is not far from
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Speaker 6: what's called the Vehicle Assembly Building, and eventually that big
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Speaker 6: rocket stage is going to be rolled into the vehicle
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Speaker 6: assembly building as they start the stacking of this vehicle.
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Speaker 6: But just but just as a teaser, you know, Wes
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Speaker 6: got to hang out with some extremely cool people, some
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Speaker 6: both heroes of the American Space program but also some
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Speaker 6: some very key people in NASA's efforts to bring us
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Speaker 6: back to the moon and h he's going to tell
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Speaker 6: you about some of those folks, and then we're going
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Speaker 6: to share those interviews with you.
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Speaker 5: Well, the the secret building that I was being shuttled
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Speaker 5: off to without my you know, symbolic gesture of my
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Speaker 5: eternal love to my wife on my finger was the
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Speaker 5: rotation processing searches of the right the r p S
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Speaker 5: f uh. And this facility uh a key part of
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Speaker 5: this whole process of how this uh uh you know,
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Speaker 5: a stage in this Rockets production, Uh, for getting these
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Speaker 5: guys to the moon. And I had some interviews there
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Speaker 5: and we we have that that audio for you, and
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna remind you that this was an active building
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Speaker 5: they were they were doing working there. There's noise. There's
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Speaker 5: some background noise in the interviews. Uh. We'll clean it
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Speaker 5: up as best we can for you. But uh, the
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Speaker 5: the first interview we're going to share with you. We've
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Speaker 5: got three in the first two. The audio is a
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Speaker 5: little better to begin with because some of the people
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Speaker 5: that were there had kind of cleared out, so we
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Speaker 5: didn't have a lot of background noise of people that
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Speaker 5: were just sort of milling around and talking in the background. Uh.
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Speaker 5: And the final interview is actually with the manager of
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Speaker 5: that facility, Heather Moss. And while we were talking with her,
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Speaker 5: it was a little louder, which I think is only appropriate.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's her building. Uh, this is her house, right,
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Speaker 5: this is where she works on a daily basis. But
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Speaker 5: I wanted to start with I think the uh, the
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Speaker 5: interview that we should we should begin with is the
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Speaker 5: mission manager for the Artemis mission and his name is
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Speaker 5: Matthew Ramsey. So this is my conversation with Matthew Ramsey
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Speaker 5: there at the RPSF. Let's talk about the moon. The
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Speaker 5: excitement is there, it's obviously going to build. The arrival
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Speaker 5: of this booster today is only going to make the
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Speaker 5: excitement go up, and it's going to obviously progressively get
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Speaker 5: more more. So if you can talk a little bit
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Speaker 5: about the excitement surrounding going back to the moon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I deal with it every day,
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Speaker 2: so I see a lot and really the excitement surrounded
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Speaker 2: the crew, you know, the crew guy named last year
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Speaker 2: and having them as part of what we do every
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Speaker 2: day has been very very exciting, and you know, having
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Speaker 2: them doing their training.
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Speaker 7: Here and at JSSE been it's been really a really time.
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Speaker 5: What would you like the public to know about the
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Speaker 5: Artemist mission? Like to the average person who knows nothing
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Speaker 5: about it, they just hear we're going back to.
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Speaker 7: The moon, and they say, if.
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Speaker 5: We really went to them whatever it is, they say,
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Speaker 5: what do you want them to know about artist?
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Speaker 7: I would say, you know artemists.
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Speaker 2: Artemist one was a shakedown of SLS and some of
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Speaker 2: the Ryans.
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Speaker 7: Based Grass systems systems.
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Speaker 2: Artmis two is there to shake down the human human
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Speaker 2: part of.
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Speaker 7: Arts.
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Speaker 2: Right, So we've got environmental control and life support systems
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Speaker 2: on Orion that we'll be checking out in a twenty
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Speaker 2: four hour work before we go to the moon. We
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Speaker 2: have systems here, human related systems here at KC Emergency
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Speaker 2: E Grass. Okay, something's going on on the rocket lands
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Speaker 2: fuel or whatever. The astronaut and their support group. If
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Speaker 2: you get out and get the slide wire baskets that
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Speaker 2: come down the crew access arm, there's another.
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Speaker 7: We actually had it for our and one.
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Speaker 2: But it wasn't really utilized that much from a crew perspective.
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Speaker 2: So that's the really exciting part to me, is the
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Speaker 2: conclusion of the.
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Speaker 7: Crew and having humans.
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Speaker 5: Going going back to I don't know, that you get
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Speaker 5: the full excitement of going back to the Moon without
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Speaker 5: maybe factoring in a space race. At least historically, China's
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Speaker 5: obviously accelerated what they're trying to do, what their objectives are.
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Speaker 5: If you could talk a little bit about the new
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Speaker 5: space race.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so there's two different philosophies.
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Speaker 2: China's kind of doing their monolithic being similar to what
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Speaker 2: we did in the Apollo program. Artemis is more about
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Speaker 2: taking partners, generating a coalition of taking partners with us.
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Speaker 2: So obviously probably know that the one of the first
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Speaker 2: astronis is a Canadian and that's exciting it.
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Speaker 7: Certainly Kenna is excited about it. But having a.
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Speaker 2: Non US, non US citizen game part Armis too is
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Speaker 2: really exciting for us.
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Speaker 5: So as the mission manager for this CREWD mission, if
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Speaker 5: you could talk a little bit about the difference between
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Speaker 5: the test mission test flight versus CREWD missioncause it's a
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Speaker 5: more responsibility.
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Speaker 4: This is still technically a test.
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Speaker 7: Flight, but we do have humans.
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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, we have humans on board, and every
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Speaker 2: decision that we make, the has the crew evolved in
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Speaker 2: that decision, any risk based decisions that we make, or
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Speaker 2: we always have them them or a representative.
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Speaker 7: Of the crew there to make those decisions. It's soberings to.
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Speaker 2: Look across the table at another human that you know
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Speaker 2: is going to sit on top of the rocket.
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Speaker 7: So that certainly God's a lot of decisions that we make.
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Speaker 7: Safety is number one. Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Baseball is a team sport. But being a pitcher, but
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Speaker 5: you're kind of out there on your own, you feel
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Speaker 5: that way at all as the mission managery.
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Speaker 2: It's just I get to see the whole field, you know,
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Speaker 2: that's kind of the thing being a picture and looking
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Speaker 2: back and you see.
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Speaker 7: The field and everything kind of kind.
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Speaker 4: Of goes through you.
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Speaker 7: So that's the kind of parallel.
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Speaker 5: There the in there. I talked with Matthew Ramsey about
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Speaker 5: his being a pitcher. He pitched at Mississippi State, and
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Speaker 5: you could kind of when I was talking with him,
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Speaker 5: he sort of lit up a little bit. Any references
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Speaker 5: he can make, I think the parallels to to baseball
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Speaker 5: and if you don't normally think baseball and rocket science.
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Speaker 5: But for me, knowing that he had that pass, I
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Speaker 5: just think about things like, you know, some sports are
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Speaker 5: inherently team sports. I've coached my kids in soccer, you know,
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Speaker 5: they both played soccer Soccer is, you know, a very
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Speaker 5: significant team sport. You have key positions, but you have
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Speaker 5: you know, overall, it's a team effort that you're putting
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Speaker 5: into it. But there's a couple of jobs there that
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Speaker 5: just have that standout, like the goalkeeper, right, the goalkeeper.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of pressure on those guys. Just you know,
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Speaker 5: go to a South American country or Central American country
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Speaker 5: and talk to a goalkeeper who's accidentally scored into his
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Speaker 5: own goal and he will tell you right. I mean,
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Speaker 5: this is just one of those facts of life that
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Speaker 5: you know are the case. And when you hear these,
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Speaker 5: you know, sometimes horror stories about that, but they they're
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Speaker 5: kind of out there on an island when things don't
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Speaker 5: go right. And I think the same is true certainly
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Speaker 5: of a pitcher in baseball, you know, I mean, anybody
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Speaker 5: is capable of making a key error, asked Bill Buckner.
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Speaker 5: You know, those sorts of things, but you when you're
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Speaker 5: the pitcher, you're consistently expected to deliver. You're and I
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Speaker 5: thought that would be a question for him about that,
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Speaker 5: and I do think and just you know, we talk
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Speaker 5: so much about stem fields, and we talk about careers,
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Speaker 5: and we talk about how there's so many different jobs
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Speaker 5: that you could you could get into at NASA. You
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Speaker 5: were talking about the guys driving the tugboats, right, I
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Speaker 5: mean that that's one of those things where it's all
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Speaker 5: the jobs here aren't specifically you know, about being an engineer.
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Speaker 5: They're not. Everybody here is a rocket scientist.
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Speaker 8: There.
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Speaker 5: There are people that are you know, actually doing construction here.
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Speaker 5: There are people that are doing public relations here. There
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Speaker 5: are people that do all these different jobs, and we
17:07
Speaker 5: talk about those things a lot on this show. But
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Speaker 5: I do think that there's other components on it. When
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Speaker 5: people say, you know, what's something good I can do
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Speaker 5: for my kid at an you know, in their early
17:17
Speaker 5: stages of life for development, and sometimes sports are one
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Speaker 5: of those things. Right. You get them into sports and
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Speaker 5: they learn about those team aspects and they learn about
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Speaker 5: those perspectives on things. It's all part of that development.
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Speaker 5: And I'm certainly no expert on it. I'm a parent
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Speaker 5: who loves my kids and I coached them in sports.
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Speaker 5: Not every parent can coach their kids in sports, but
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Speaker 5: you know, that's also one of those things I think
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Speaker 5: that helps them down the line at school when they
17:42
Speaker 5: get to that next level of school high school, college,
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Speaker 5: and then of course maybe even career wise. So I
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Speaker 5: thought that was an interesting opportunity to be able to
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Speaker 5: talk to him about his time pitching at Mississippi State.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's cool.
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Speaker 6: And you know, space is the ultimate team sport because
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Speaker 6: the number of people required for a single rocket launch.
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Speaker 6: You know, I don't know what people have as a
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Speaker 6: conception of just how many people were involved with the
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Speaker 6: Saturn five program, or the Space Shuttle program or now
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Speaker 6: the SLS program as part of Artemis, but the number
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Speaker 6: you have in your head is too small. I can
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Speaker 6: tell you that there are legions of people that have
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Speaker 6: to be playing significant parts, but they're all small parts
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Speaker 6: that have to come together. And then there's a whole
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Speaker 6: other level of people who are integrating all of the
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Speaker 6: efforts of all of those people at so many different levels,
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Speaker 6: and then integrating the efforts of the subcontractors, all the
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Speaker 6: different companies, and then you know, running all the facilities
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Speaker 6: where the rockets are put together and prepared for launch,
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Speaker 6: and then also working with the astronauts and getting them
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Speaker 6: ready right, And so the layer of people involved in
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Speaker 6: an effort like this you really don't understand until you
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Speaker 6: come down and actually do a visit at some place
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Speaker 6: like the Kennedy Space Center and really see that it's
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Speaker 6: a massive city and all kinds of people operating in
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Speaker 6: all kinds of capacities necessary to make these things happen.
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Speaker 6: And so some of the other interviews we have for you,
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Speaker 6: they are some people who are well known, some people
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Speaker 6: who are maybe not as well known to the public,
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Speaker 6: but all very important to the overall effort of bringing
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Speaker 6: about a Moon mission.
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Speaker 5: The next interview is Doug Hurley, a former Shuttle astronaut,
19:38
Speaker 5: and get to that in a second. Something just I
19:42
Speaker 5: wanted to touch on because something that you just said
19:45
Speaker 5: versus something that I was sort of joking with Matthew
19:48
Speaker 5: Ramsey about and I just I asked him about the
19:51
Speaker 5: Artemis mission and you heard his response there because I said,
19:54
Speaker 5: we talked about going.
19:55
Speaker 6: To the Moon.
19:56
Speaker 5: And then you've got, you know, the general public what
19:57
Speaker 5: they need to hear about, you know, going to the moon.
20:01
Speaker 5: And you know, you've got the people who still think
20:03
Speaker 5: we didn't go to the moon. And you and I
20:05
Speaker 5: have talked I know a lot, not necessarily on the show.
20:08
Speaker 5: I know we've mentioned it before on the show, but
20:11
Speaker 5: the people and all those people you're talking about that
20:14
Speaker 5: it takes to make one of these missions happen, all
20:17
Speaker 5: of those people would have to all collaboratively be in
20:21
Speaker 5: on this great conspiracy. You can't take five people and
20:26
Speaker 5: bury a body somewhere before one of them cracks. I mean,
20:29
Speaker 5: it's just the reality of it. There's no way a
20:32
Speaker 5: secret that big could possibly have lasted this long with
20:36
Speaker 5: this many people involved, right, I mean, the absurdity of
20:38
Speaker 5: that is part of the anyway.
20:41
Speaker 6: But that's well, And it's a good point though, Wes,
20:43
Speaker 6: because you know, I think the people who maybe have
20:48
Speaker 6: a hard time understanding that we have actually succeeded in
20:52
Speaker 6: these areas in the past and that we are preparing
20:55
Speaker 6: to do it again. I think that they just are
20:58
Speaker 6: folks that don't have a good concept after what actually
21:00
Speaker 6: happens at a place like the Kennedy Space Center, right,
21:03
Speaker 6: And to your point, there's so many people involved that
21:07
Speaker 6: how you could ever get those people to all be
21:10
Speaker 6: on the hush or whatever is just silly. And you know, folks,
21:14
Speaker 6: you know, maybe it seems silly for us to be
21:16
Speaker 6: making this point. Maybe somebody out there is rolling their eyes, like, oh, well,
21:20
Speaker 6: there's not that many people that really think that We
21:22
Speaker 6: just made another motion picture in Hollywood about the faking
21:28
Speaker 6: of the Moon landing, and it's it's kind of painful
21:31
Speaker 6: to me. And so the fact that that's even a
21:36
Speaker 6: subject matter that's still being entertained in the modern media
21:40
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four, again, I think it stems from
21:45
Speaker 6: a fundamental lack of understanding of what it takes to
21:48
Speaker 6: actually make one of these things work, and how many
21:50
Speaker 6: people really did lend a hand in the Apollo era
21:54
Speaker 6: and then later lent hands in the Space Shuttle era,
21:58
Speaker 6: and now we're lending hands in the Artemis era. It
22:01
Speaker 6: really is important for people to understand, which is why
22:04
Speaker 6: we're trying to explain this all to you folks.
22:05
Speaker 5: And the people that are going to want to believe
22:08
Speaker 5: that it didn't happen, that's what they're going to believe.
22:11
Speaker 5: They're the same people who want to believe there's no
22:13
Speaker 5: International Space Station and that that's all faked. And it's
22:17
Speaker 5: the same kind of thing, except you know what, that's
22:19
Speaker 5: an on that would be an ongoing con right, and
22:23
Speaker 5: then people leave those jobs and new people come in
22:26
Speaker 5: and they'd have to come in and be in on
22:28
Speaker 5: it when they got there, and it's absurd, But again
22:32
Speaker 5: that's they're coming from a place that they want to
22:35
Speaker 5: believe that to be true, so they look for the
22:38
Speaker 5: reasons to justify it. So and I think that's a
22:41
Speaker 5: good place to segue to the next interview because somebody
22:43
Speaker 5: who has been to the International Space Station and who
22:46
Speaker 5: has been a part of not just Shuttle missions. He
22:50
Speaker 5: did a couple of Shuttle missions. He did the last
22:51
Speaker 5: Shuttle mission, and then also it was part of the
22:57
Speaker 5: first manned test flight for SpaceX, part of the crew
23:05
Speaker 5: Dragon one. Right, yep, that's right exactly, and he we
23:09
Speaker 5: we and we talked back when this happened, you know,
23:12
Speaker 5: Bob and Doug right heading up to the International Space Station.
23:17
Speaker 5: But Doug Hurley available earlier today on this Tuesday Made
23:23
Speaker 5: of Stars as we're recording it, and I had a
23:26
Speaker 5: chance to talk with him about the artemis going to
23:31
Speaker 5: the Moon and even asked him about bumping his head.
23:34
Speaker 5: Can we talk about the excitement around going back to
23:37
Speaker 5: the Moon and what today's event means for the next
23:40
Speaker 5: step moving forward.
23:41
Speaker 8: Well, I think the biggest thing is we're going to
23:43
Speaker 8: put a crew on this thing this time, and we
23:44
Speaker 8: had a very successful test flight with R. S.
23:47
Speaker 7: One, and good question.
23:48
Speaker 8: You know, I think for me personally, can't wait until
23:50
Speaker 8: we fly crew lollflee next fall.
23:53
Speaker 5: You've got experience with a couple of different craft. You
23:55
Speaker 5: flew on the first you know, man ready ship for SpaceX,
24:00
Speaker 5: and then you know, obviously you've got Shuttle, experienced the
24:02
Speaker 5: last Shuttle. So you know, what do you think these
24:06
Speaker 5: guys are going to feel when this thing takes off?
24:08
Speaker 8: Well, I think they're going to be excited. You know,
24:11
Speaker 8: it's a little bit of two different things. The anticipation
24:14
Speaker 8: build up to actually launching, but it's.
24:16
Speaker 7: A long road to get there, and.
24:18
Speaker 8: So it's a little bit of finally, you know, we
24:21
Speaker 8: got to do it. But I think in general, you know,
24:25
Speaker 8: just hearing their perspective of getting to see the moon
24:27
Speaker 8: after so many years. It was almost fifty plus years
24:31
Speaker 8: the last time we did this. So and then obviously
24:34
Speaker 8: for me personally, haven't flown Shuttle a few times in Dragons,
24:39
Speaker 8: just don't want to hear about the right on the
24:40
Speaker 8: rocket to get into orbit.
24:43
Speaker 5: And so yeah, so your flight for a crew Dragon
24:49
Speaker 5: was also a test flight. This is a test flight,
24:52
Speaker 5: but it's obviously more at stake with the crew on
24:54
Speaker 5: board if you could just talk about what's going through
24:57
Speaker 5: their minds as they get closer and closer to this.
24:59
Speaker 5: This is exciting for them today, right.
25:00
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you bet.
25:01
Speaker 8: I think you know, for us, it was focusing on
25:05
Speaker 8: the task at hand. You know, you don't want to
25:07
Speaker 8: be the one that messes up the mission.
25:10
Speaker 7: So I think knowing your.
25:11
Speaker 8: Job as well as you can know your job is
25:13
Speaker 8: a huge part of it.
25:14
Speaker 5: And then the rest of.
25:15
Speaker 8: It is the confidence in the teams from all these
25:19
Speaker 8: different companies from NASA that that will put these its
25:23
Speaker 8: vehicle together.
25:25
Speaker 7: And you know, you can't do it by yourself.
25:28
Speaker 8: You know, there has to be that ultimate confidence and
25:31
Speaker 8: the hardware and the people to get you where you
25:34
Speaker 8: need to go and then get you home safely, because
25:36
Speaker 8: that's it's not a successful mission till we get the
25:38
Speaker 8: group home safe. So yeah, that's just part of it.
25:43
Speaker 7: And they're they're going through there right now.
25:46
Speaker 5: So when you went on your last mission, you go
25:49
Speaker 5: on this mission and you go to the International Space
25:51
Speaker 5: Station at the time, do you realize how many eyes
25:55
Speaker 5: are on you or is that something that doesn't hit
25:57
Speaker 5: you until later.
25:58
Speaker 8: I had no clue, And I think, you know, it
26:02
Speaker 8: certainly was exacerbated by the fact that most of the
26:05
Speaker 8: world was at lockdown when we went to Sprice And
26:08
Speaker 8: but yeah, I can't tell you how many times people say,
26:11
Speaker 8: you know, we watched you, we watched you. I got
26:13
Speaker 8: it wasn't too long ago. I got stopped by a
26:16
Speaker 8: TSAG and it's like I know who you are, and
26:19
Speaker 8: I was like really, He's like, yeah, we watched him
26:21
Speaker 8: into space into you know, twenty twenty in it. And
26:24
Speaker 8: I think it was a lot of it was due
26:26
Speaker 8: to COVID, but you know, it was also the fact
26:28
Speaker 8: that we hadn't flown sent shovel at twenty eleven, so
26:31
Speaker 8: I think people were pretty captivated by that mission. And
26:34
Speaker 8: you know, of course SpaceX and Elon and all that
26:37
Speaker 8: on top of it.
26:38
Speaker 7: But yeah, just I don't know, it was incredible.
26:40
Speaker 5: People still ask you about bumping your head.
26:42
Speaker 8: Uh no, okay, So and I blame that on Chris anyway,
26:46
Speaker 8: so he grabbed.
26:48
Speaker 7: Me and then it was like boink.
26:50
Speaker 8: So anyway, he was pretty excited to see us since
26:52
Speaker 8: they had they had put him to work pretty hard
26:56
Speaker 8: for several months because he was the only US astronut
26:59
Speaker 8: up there.
26:59
Speaker 7: So is glad to get some help.
27:01
Speaker 5: Could you talk just a little bit about the International
27:04
Speaker 5: Space Station, the mission for it, and how it will
27:06
Speaker 5: help us towards later colonizing the Moon and then maybe
27:09
Speaker 5: later Mars.
27:10
Speaker 8: No, it's a good thing to ask because I think,
27:13
Speaker 8: you know, you've learned so much about how hardware does
27:16
Speaker 8: in space, how the human body does in space for
27:19
Speaker 8: long periods of time. You know what we need to
27:21
Speaker 8: do for resupply, all those things. And I think you know,
27:24
Speaker 8: the Moon being two or three days away, we're going
27:28
Speaker 8: to learn more when we establish a base there, when
27:30
Speaker 8: we resupply gateway all those things. We're going to go
27:33
Speaker 8: into that equation and ultimately what we need to do
27:36
Speaker 8: to be successful old to Mars, because Mars is a
27:39
Speaker 8: two or three days away, it's months away currently, And
27:43
Speaker 8: so yeah, I think we've learned so much about, you know,
27:47
Speaker 8: how to have long duration space missions, certainly compared to
27:51
Speaker 8: what we do even twenty years ago. So I think
27:56
Speaker 8: we will pay dividends certainly through the Moon and then
27:59
Speaker 8: ultimately for us.
28:00
Speaker 5: That's a former astronaut, retired astronaut, right, I mean, that's
28:05
Speaker 5: another way to put it. Doug Hurley, he's now the
28:08
Speaker 5: senior vice president of Business Development, North Grumman Propulsion Systems
28:14
Speaker 5: and obviously an advocate for NASA and a spokesperson for
28:20
Speaker 5: all of the things that they're doing now and moving forward.
28:23
Speaker 5: Pretty cool that he was the guy. And I know
28:25
Speaker 5: it had to be like bittersweet that he's closing out
28:27
Speaker 5: the Shuttle right, closing out the Shuttle program. But then
28:31
Speaker 5: the fact that he was able to be part of
28:33
Speaker 5: that first you know, a crew that went to the
28:37
Speaker 5: International Space Station from American soil. So it was like,
28:41
Speaker 5: that's pretty sweet. I mean, that's it's a great opportunity
28:44
Speaker 5: to know that he was able to do both of those.
28:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, So he's he's a really interesting guy and that
28:49
Speaker 6: was a fun conversation you had with him. And you know,
28:52
Speaker 6: it takes it takes a lot of really dedicated people
28:56
Speaker 6: to to build a rocket and to run the program,
28:59
Speaker 6: as we talked about early, but it also takes you know,
29:02
Speaker 6: a few really brave people to actually walk onto that
29:07
Speaker 6: spacecraft and launch into space aboard these tremendously powerful rocket systems.
29:14
Speaker 6: And you know, he's done it on two different platforms
29:17
Speaker 6: on Space Shuttle, but then the very first folks to
29:21
Speaker 6: fly on a brand new platform that had been tested, Yes,
29:26
Speaker 6: been testing lots of unpiloted or on crude flights, but
29:31
Speaker 6: when you're the first person to jump on a vehicle
29:33
Speaker 6: that no one's flown before, that takes a little extra
29:36
Speaker 6: you know, level of bravery, shall we say. And so
29:41
Speaker 6: so that's a word for it. So, so hats off
29:45
Speaker 6: to to Doug Hurley and a really great conversation with
29:47
Speaker 6: him today.
29:48
Speaker 5: I loved meeting him, loved having a chance to talk
29:52
Speaker 5: with him and just hearing his insights on all of that.
29:54
Speaker 5: That was great. My final interview of the day. And
29:57
Speaker 5: again I'm gonna remind you this is the one that's
29:58
Speaker 5: got a little bit of extra, uh sort of background noise.
30:02
Speaker 5: But again, this was in a construction zone. I mean,
30:06
Speaker 5: that's the only way to put it right.
30:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a manufacturing facility, really is they're they're they're
30:11
Speaker 6: they're taking components that are already manufactured, but they're putting
30:15
Speaker 6: them together and they're processing them and getting them ready
30:18
Speaker 6: to be attached to a spacecraft. So it's certainly, uh,
30:21
Speaker 6: you know, a step process in the manufacturing process of
30:24
Speaker 6: this rocket. And so yeah, it sounds like you're it
30:27
Speaker 6: sounds like you're in a kind of an active manufacturing plant,
30:30
Speaker 6: because you really are.
30:32
Speaker 5: This is a Heather Moss, the uh RPSF flow manager.
30:38
Speaker 5: Uh so in this facility. This this was in her house,
30:42
Speaker 5: and I started the interview talking to her about being there.
30:46
Speaker 6: In her house.
30:47
Speaker 5: Tell me about this facility and what it's like working here.
30:50
Speaker 9: It is you can see it's a one area without
30:54
Speaker 9: air conditioning. S Besides that is wonderful.
30:57
Speaker 10: Proser segments come five railing and those mood down there.
31:01
Speaker 9: Once they come to the facility on down here on
31:03
Speaker 9: this west side called the real quer cover off, we
31:06
Speaker 9: sort of stand in and we go in and actually
31:08
Speaker 9: expect the hopeller.
31:10
Speaker 8: We hope both our to two of.
31:12
Speaker 9: Our two hundred trains.
31:14
Speaker 10: We take it from the horizontal to purle and then
31:17
Speaker 10: we bring them over to see the world on.
31:19
Speaker 9: Stands behind before we build up up the appacilities. That's
31:23
Speaker 9: the appskirt was the APP segment on the top.
31:25
Speaker 10: Can see up the novel for the XX Clinic gets
31:28
Speaker 10: made on the bottom, and that's the bottom of the
31:30
Speaker 10: eppisodes you see behind us.
31:32
Speaker 5: So talk a little bit about the excitement of the
31:36
Speaker 5: moon and of course Mars is on the horizon as well,
31:40
Speaker 5: all of those things and how it ties into what
31:42
Speaker 5: you do.
31:42
Speaker 9: It is very exciting. I think one of the cool
31:45
Speaker 9: things about the futures is if we can ride the ride.
31:49
Speaker 9: You know. Processing and getting ready for a launch has
31:52
Speaker 9: been a huge adventure, especially after watching arts one launch
31:57
Speaker 9: that was incredible and knowing that we're working our way
31:59
Speaker 9: to get again, and really the fact that this is
32:02
Speaker 9: a career launch is even more exciting. To see the
32:05
Speaker 9: faces that are going to be on the.
32:06
Speaker 5: Rocket and the tool to take growth, and the fact
32:10
Speaker 5: that this excitement has started to build and to mount
32:14
Speaker 5: as people are now starting to show an interest in this.
32:17
Speaker 5: That means young kids are going to start showing and
32:20
Speaker 5: interested again. I'm a Shuttle I grew up in the
32:22
Speaker 5: shuttle era as a kid. So was there a teacher
32:25
Speaker 5: for you that inspired you when you were young to
32:29
Speaker 5: want to go into a stem field, you know, as
32:32
Speaker 5: an adult for a career.
32:34
Speaker 9: There wasn't.
32:35
Speaker 10: Actually I ended up going into a management field, and
32:39
Speaker 10: so I don't have an engineering background, but you can
32:42
Speaker 10: see that to process the Artless rocket or the Ancels rocket,
32:47
Speaker 10: it takes all different field.
32:49
Speaker 5: So when I'm doing and interviewers, we're talking to people.
32:51
Speaker 9: I explained to the kids and it's not all about
32:54
Speaker 9: engineering people logistics.
32:56
Speaker 3: We need people in PA.
32:58
Speaker 10: We need people working in integration trying to bring all
33:00
Speaker 10: the contractives together and build the rocket.
33:03
Speaker 9: So there's there's a field for everyone out here across
33:06
Speaker 9: the border.
33:08
Speaker 5: How did the these rocket boosters for Artemis differ than
33:14
Speaker 5: the Shuttle?
33:15
Speaker 9: I would say for SLS there's five motor segments and
33:20
Speaker 9: for Shuttle the repoort, so that's the biggest difference. And
33:24
Speaker 9: there is a difference in the amount of thrust. But
33:26
Speaker 9: I don't want to give you back calm. I know
33:29
Speaker 9: in SLS seventy five percent of the dress and I
33:31
Speaker 9: want to say twenty percent.
33:33
Speaker 5: Less for Shuttle. But what what's the ride going to
33:37
Speaker 5: be like for the astronauts when.
33:39
Speaker 7: They go out ride?
33:40
Speaker 9: I can't imagine they're right of their life for the most.
33:43
Speaker 5: Powerful rocket in the world that they're going to.
33:46
Speaker 7: Be sitting on top of.
33:47
Speaker 9: So it's going to be a wow ride.
33:49
Speaker 5: Iowact all right. That's Heather Moss, another one of those
33:55
Speaker 5: people that have to come together and make this work
33:58
Speaker 5: and running a team of people in this facility to
34:02
Speaker 5: make that everything has to click, everything has to go
34:05
Speaker 5: just right, and you've got all these people in these roles,
34:08
Speaker 5: and I thought it was great to hear her talk
34:10
Speaker 5: about science. Wasn't my thing. This wasn't one of those
34:14
Speaker 5: things where I went like, Wow, I'm going to be
34:15
Speaker 5: an engineer and I want to do this. You know.
34:18
Speaker 5: I came at this from a very different angle, very
34:21
Speaker 5: different perspective, and it's fascinating to me. Every single one
34:25
Speaker 5: of these people involved has a story, yeah one, it
34:28
Speaker 5: could all be so different, right.
34:30
Speaker 6: One of the themes of today's show is that if
34:34
Speaker 6: you want to work at NASSET, you do not necessarily
34:37
Speaker 6: have to be an engineer or scientist. And in fact,
34:41
Speaker 6: it may be true that there are more people that
34:44
Speaker 6: work at a place like Kennedy Space Center who are
34:46
Speaker 6: not engineers and scientists than those who are. So it
34:51
Speaker 6: takes a really large team, and many of those people
34:55
Speaker 6: come from an angle as you just said, like Heather,
34:59
Speaker 6: that that they come in from a management standpoint, or
35:02
Speaker 6: they come in from a logistics standpoint, or they've had
35:05
Speaker 6: experience integrating different teams together from different companies, which is
35:10
Speaker 6: necessary here on the ground at Kennedy. So there's lots
35:13
Speaker 6: of different ways to get into NASA if you like
35:16
Speaker 6: the idea of working with the Space Endeavor, but you're
35:19
Speaker 6: simply not an engineer. There are plenty of other opportunities
35:23
Speaker 6: to become involved with NASA, and that's a good message
35:26
Speaker 6: for anybody who is a space enthusiast but not necessarily
35:31
Speaker 6: an engineer geek or a science geek like myself.
35:35
Speaker 5: Coming up after our break, we're going to talk a
35:38
Speaker 5: little bit about some of the very personal connections that
35:41
Speaker 5: you have with this mission and some of the way
35:45
Speaker 5: some of the people that I know have made you
35:47
Speaker 5: very proud with their work on this. We'll get to
35:49
Speaker 5: that right after this. All right, So some aspects of
36:12
Speaker 5: what we've been doing down here at the Kennedy Space
36:15
Speaker 5: Center and now recording this very special edition of NATI
36:20
Speaker 5: of Stars Live from Kennedy Space Center, Live from the
36:24
Speaker 5: Space Coast. I guess you've got personal connection, Sean, with
36:28
Speaker 5: some of the people working on this and one of
36:32
Speaker 5: my favorite things is to hear you talk about some
36:35
Speaker 5: of your past students or past folks that worked or
36:38
Speaker 5: interned at the Coca Cola Space Science Center and just
36:43
Speaker 5: giving you a chance to just gush, because it's like
36:46
Speaker 5: a proud dad talking about these guys that have gone
36:49
Speaker 5: on to do big things, and some of them are
36:53
Speaker 5: connected to this particular mission to Artemis.
36:57
Speaker 7: Yeah.
36:57
Speaker 6: So there are several of my students or former student
37:01
Speaker 6: interns at the Cola Space Science Center at Columbus State
37:05
Speaker 6: University who have gone on to work either at NASA
37:10
Speaker 6: or for NASA proper. When I say they work at NASA,
37:14
Speaker 6: that means they're working for some kind of a subcontractor
37:16
Speaker 6: some other company that is doing jobs at NASA anyway. So,
37:20
Speaker 6: in particular, I'd like to give a shout out today
37:24
Speaker 6: to a former student intern at Space Science Center named
37:26
Speaker 6: Zach Coker. Zach we thought might actually even be here
37:31
Speaker 6: over these couple of days that we're here, because Zach
37:34
Speaker 6: works with a team that helps to well, let me
37:37
Speaker 6: say it this way. Imagine the giant rocket being like
37:40
Speaker 6: a giant stack of legos. They have to stick together,
37:44
Speaker 6: and Zach works with a team that helps to integrate
37:47
Speaker 6: those components of the rocket together and make all the
37:51
Speaker 6: you know, the mating components that hook one piece to
37:54
Speaker 6: the next piece. And so he's going to actually be
37:57
Speaker 6: coming down here in a couple of weeks for the
38:01
Speaker 6: beginning reviews on when they begin to stack this rocket together,
38:06
Speaker 6: hook all those pieces together. They have to do a
38:08
Speaker 6: set of reviews before they begin that process to make
38:12
Speaker 6: sure everything arrived safely, make sure everything is going to
38:15
Speaker 6: fit okay, and then they're going to begin that process
38:19
Speaker 6: of putting that rocket together. Now, remember we're in July
38:23
Speaker 6: of twenty twenty four. It looks as though this rocket
38:27
Speaker 6: is probably going to be launched sometime next year, twenty
38:30
Speaker 6: twenty five, so they only have a window of months
38:36
Speaker 6: to be able to get that process done. So that's
38:38
Speaker 6: why they're doing it now. It's well ahead of the launch,
38:41
Speaker 6: but yet it seems probably like a little bit of
38:43
Speaker 6: a rapid timeframe to them. So anyway, Zach's wife, Cheryl,
38:47
Speaker 6: was also an Internet spased Science Center and also a
38:49
Speaker 6: student at Club State University. And Zack's wife, Cheryl is
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Speaker 6: working for a company that is looking at how to
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Speaker 6: build lunar habitats out of the resources that they find
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Speaker 6: on the Moon. So that's another person who's been through
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Speaker 6: our facility and our program at Space Science Center who
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Speaker 6: is working for the future of Moon exploration for America.
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Speaker 6: In addition to that, my own son who interned at
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Speaker 6: Space Science Center. His name's Christian Cruiz and he works
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Speaker 6: for a company called Axiom Space. As folks may know,
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Speaker 6: Axiom has the contract right now for the lunar suits,
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Speaker 6: for the lunar exploration suits. So these astronauts when they
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Speaker 6: go out on the surface, they have to be in
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Speaker 6: some very specialized space suits. They can't be the same
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Speaker 6: space suits that they use aboard the International Space Station
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Speaker 6: because there's a whole different set of purposes. For one thing,
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Speaker 6: if you're an ISS astronaut, you're not kicking your way
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Speaker 6: through regolith and dust and rocks and that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 6: You're floating around in free space. So think of that
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Speaker 6: and many other things about what jobs they would be
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Speaker 6: doing in those suits that cause the suits to vary. Well,
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Speaker 6: my son has spent some time on that suits team
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Speaker 6: at Axiom as well working on other components of vehicles
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Speaker 6: at Axiom Space.
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Speaker 5: And worth noting too, you talk about not the ones
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Speaker 5: on the International Space Station, and this is also not
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Speaker 5: the same suits that they were.
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Speaker 6: On the Moon before. Yeah, it's going to be a
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Speaker 6: very different space suit than the Apollo space suits.
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Speaker 5: And this is like when Batman went in and said,
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Speaker 5: I need a new suit, and I need to be
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Speaker 5: able to turn my neck right, I need to be
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Speaker 5: able to do some things that I couldn't do before.
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Speaker 5: I can't wear this bulky suit anymore.
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Speaker 6: Correct, And so you can imagine that material science that
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Speaker 6: just the engineering involved has advanced since the nineteen sixties
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Speaker 6: when we were building the suits to go to the Moon. Also,
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Speaker 6: we had those Apollo experiences that taught us things about
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Speaker 6: exploring another planet in a whole different gravitational field, and
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Speaker 6: what those astronauts really needed to improve their experience or
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Speaker 6: improve their ability to operate in that environment, including me
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Speaker 6: able to just bend down and pick up rocks, you know,
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Speaker 6: simple things like that. So lighter materials, more flexibility, more
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Speaker 6: technology integrated into these suits. All of these things are
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Speaker 6: going to be featured in the Artemis suits that will
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Speaker 6: be far different than what the Apollo astronauts went to
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Speaker 6: the lunar surface in back in the nineteen sixties and seventies.
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Speaker 5: So we've spent a large chunk of this show talking
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Speaker 5: about you don't have to be a scientist to do
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Speaker 5: this to work at NASA, But suppose somebody wants to
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Speaker 5: be a scientist and follow this field. Thankfully there at
41:39
Speaker 5: Columbus State, you guys have this as an option.
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Speaker 6: We do and so again I'm going to hat tip
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Speaker 6: the whole university because NASA needs accountants, and NASA needs managers,
41:55
Speaker 6: and NASA needs artists. NASA needs a variety of different fields.
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Speaker 6: But if you're a techno geek like myself, you really
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Speaker 6: want to be involved in the technology or the science
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Speaker 6: or those aspects. We do have our Department of Earth
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Speaker 6: and Space Sciences. We have our Astrophysics and Planetary Geology track.
42:15
Speaker 6: We also have a track in Environmental science and a
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Speaker 6: track in Geological Sciences, and all of these fields will
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Speaker 6: could lead to great pathways into NASA. But in addition
42:29
Speaker 6: to that, we also have our Robotics Engineering program where
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Speaker 6: you can learn how to integrate software with hardware for
42:36
Speaker 6: automated control and automated operations.
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Speaker 5: All of these are.
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Speaker 6: Fantastic pathways to be able to work with that next
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Speaker 6: generation of space exploration. And you can find out more
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Speaker 6: about those programs by visiting believe it or not, the
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Speaker 6: Coca Cola Space Science Center's website, because we have links
42:52
Speaker 6: to all of these programs and how to become involved
42:56
Speaker 6: with them. So visit us at the Coca Cola Space
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Speaker 6: Science Center's website at www dot cc SSC dot org
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Speaker 6: and there's a link right on the front page that
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Speaker 6: will lead you to descriptions of these degree programs. In
43:09
Speaker 6: addition to that, by the way, we're part of the
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Speaker 6: Education College as well, College of Education and Health Professions.
43:15
Speaker 6: And being a teacher and inspiring that next generation is
43:19
Speaker 6: super important as well. We will never have enough fantastic
43:24
Speaker 6: science teachers out there. So if that's something that excites you,
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Speaker 6: helping to build the future for younger students and help
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Speaker 6: them through the K through twelve system, we can find
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Speaker 6: out all about that too. We can help you explore
43:37
Speaker 6: a pathway to that career as well. Once again, click
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Speaker 6: on the website www dot cc SSC dot org and
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Speaker 6: click on the link that takes you to degree pathways
43:48
Speaker 6: for Columbus State University.
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Speaker 5: Sean and I thank you for listening, and next week's
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Speaker 5: show will be more about our adventures here on the
43:56
Speaker 5: Space Coast Kennedy Space Center, So we'll do this again
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