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GIANTS hiring John Harbaugh not as good as people think? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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If it is the worldwide sports radio network, radio Network
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believe in that. They're going to give him a
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significant they're going to have a ton of money to spend.
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Why not putting in one of the top three offensive players in
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the league? We're going to be looking at
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Aaron George and saying that he can't win the big game, Michael
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Jordan said. I played 82 games.
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You don't see the fun doing that?
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A game where you got to go. Before I told you Giant fans,
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Saquon Barkley at this point. do it.
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Everything's good, you know, We, we're, we're cold again.
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cold. Just had to put in a huge
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Walmart order for my son. And other than that, man, it's
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come next week. So we'll figure that out.
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routine. And yeah, it's just getting
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excited with, with everything that's going on right now.
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It's it's kind of been all crazy, like just just trying to
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digest all of what is going on in sports right now from so many
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different angles. It's my brain is hurting, but
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it's a great time of the year. So I'm excited to talk about it
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all and share and see what see what you guys think about.
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Indiana and Miami a National championship Indiana beats Miami
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in the national championship game 27 to 21 to finish off an
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undefeated season a win and win their first title in school
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history. Both teams started slow
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offensively until Indiana had 1414 play 85 yard touchdown
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drive in the second corner to give them a 10 nothing lead.
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Mark Fletcher Junior had a 57 yard touchdown run to open up
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the second-half. After Miami had just 61 yards in
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the entire first half. Indiana black the punt later in
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the third quarter and recovered it for a touchdown to extend
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their lead 17 to 7. After Miami responded to make it
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17 to 14, Fernando Mendoza got his only touchdown in the game,
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a 12 yard rushing touchdown on 1/4 down and 4th 4.
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Indiana converted to 4th downs on that drive.
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Miami responded to make it 2421 on a 22 yard touchdown pass from
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Carson Beck to Malachi Tony. After Indiana made it 2721 with
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a field goal, Miami had one more chance, but Carson Beck threw an
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interception and Indiana won their first National
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Championship. There's a lot of layers in this
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game. And here's the thing, I am a
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Mendoza fan. I love Fernando Mendoza, but
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throughout the playoffs, Fernando Mendoza was not good.
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I don't care what anybody says. He did not show me why he should
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be the number one pick in this year's draft.
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Now he will be and I love him and I know Jeff is not a big fan
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of him. And he said, Jeff told me
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straight out that there is not a quarterback that should be
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drafted at #1 in this class. He said that to me.
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And maybe he's right. And now that Dante Moore has
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gone back to college, he will be the only quarterback drafted in
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the top ten this year. The the, the one thing that
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shined for Mendoza in this game was that fourth and four in the
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fourth quarter. It was a gutsy call.
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A gutsy call. You see, you see his forearm
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after the game. Yes, it it to me.
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The dude's toughest nails. Signetti made gutsy call after
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gutsy call throughout the game. He really did.
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And you got to give Signetti a lot of credit because he has
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been the best coach in the NCAA for back-to-back years.
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He goes over there to Indiana in his first year and goes to a
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national championship undefeated on guys that were in the portal.
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Think about that. Five star recruits?
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Not really. Mendoza wasn't even his recruit.
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He came from Cal. Think about that and you watch
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this game and Miami did what they were supposed to do.
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Bane was all over the play. Mazda door was all over the
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place. They were doing everything that
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they needed to do to keep the game close.
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That's what they did. The secondary Lucas was great.
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To me. Miami did what they needed to
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do. They did more in this game that
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Oregon and everybody else did against this Indiana Hoosier
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team that was just absolutely dominant throughout this playoff
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run, throughout the season in so many aspects.
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But here's the thing, Carson Beck has made enough mistakes
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over the years. Carson Beck's was Carson Beck
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was supposed to walk away from football.
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He was thinking about walking away from football before he
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decided to go to Miami. Miami took a chance with him.
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They snuck into this playoff. They made a lot of noise.
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They knocked off the Ohio State Buckeyes.
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They beat the national champion last year.
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And to me, a lot of people's pick to win everything this
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year. And what made it so sensational
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to watch all season long was Miami getting better and better.
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The coach and I, I pronounce his name.
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Cristobal. Cristobal who who was
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sensational all all season long and even at the end of the game,
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you got to give Crystal Ball a little bit more credit because
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he gave a shout out to Indiana. He gave a shout out to the Miami
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Hoosier. I mean, Indiana, who's your fans
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and how they showed up in Miami? As loud as they were, this was
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Miami. They had a home game.
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Think about that. Nobody expected Miami to be in
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this championship game, but they played in their home field.
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Think about it. And to go out to the Hoosier
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showing up, the fan showing up as much as they did and the way
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they just caused so much havoc. You or you saw Carson Beck when
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he was at the line of scrimmage trying to hold his ears because
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he couldn't hear anything says a lot about the Indiana Hoosier
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fans. So I I mean, the game was fun to
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watch. This was a great championship
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game and, and, and all you wanted to see was Miami get a
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chance to win because Miami had a chance to win this game.
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They did. You got to admit, first half was
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all slow. Yeah, it was.
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It was boring it. Was really the first quarter.
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I think it got good after that. It was.
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Boring 10 Nothing. You thought this was going to be
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a blow out after the first half, you thought that how?
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Big Do you think that Doink kicked when he hit the upright
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to end the end the first half? It it.
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Hurt them having no points on the.
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Board it hurt, but you can't make that excuse now because
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they still won by 6. I'm not saying at least you got
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points on the board going into the.
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Half now, let's say if they lost 24 to 21 and then then you're
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going to look at that kick and you're going to be like, oh, you
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know, if he hit that, the game could have been different.
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But it was just the battle of the coaches and I I got it.
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Like I said, Cignetti has had such a great season.
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This guy deserves a lot of credit.
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If the Raiders want to reach out to him, if they think they're
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bringing Mendoza in and they can try to pry or ply or whatever
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word you want to use to take him away from Indiana and Hoosier
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Nation, to bring him to Las Vegas to coach his quarterback,
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that would be an absolute slam dunk.
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Give him whatever he wants. Cignetti did what he needed to
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do. This was one of the greatest
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runs we've ever seen a football team have.
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Think about this. They were undefeated with to me
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when the playoffs was never like this.
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Think about this, they won a national championship.
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Going through how many teams think about it, this is might be
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one of the greatest playoff runs we will ever see in history.
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The way the Indiana Hoosiers played in this game.
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And I you got to give just a lot of credit to just Mendoza when
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he needed to make the play, he made the play.
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I mean that play was unbelievable.
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I mean, to escape, to go inside and out of the pocket and and
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get hit the way he did and, and to make that spinning move to
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get to the end zone was amazing. His mom cheering, his mom I, I
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don't remember what she has. What is?
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That multiple sclerosis and and to see her she's.
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Got it. Since she's been 18, yeah.
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Yeah, they've raised a lot of the NIL funding and there's
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another foundation that's like I think 7.27 hundred $20,000 or
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something they've raised for. That it was just, and to see his
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father and his mother and even on his brother, his brother on
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the sidelines tutoring and it's it's fun to watch.
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And Mendoza, you know, he's a Cuban American Christian who
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went out there after the game and it when everybody thinks God
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but, and I don't know if I'm not saying that those guys don't
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mean it, but you know, sincerely, this man absolutely
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means it. He feels it.
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And it's just an amazing story guy.
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This If you're there's a season that you want to have or you
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want to remember as a player, to win a Heisman Trophy, to win a
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national championship, to do it the way they did it on an
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undefeated year, I think this was the ultimate like greatest
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season a player could ever have Speedy.
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Yeah, it's the combination of everything that works.
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And you talked about with the way that Mendoza behaved at the
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Heisman, he knew he was still that team.
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First, I was there, I saw everything you.
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You were mentioning how such a team first guy he was and I
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think he accepted his role. We talked about in the in the
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during the NFL playoffs with CJ Stroud with the Texas Patriots.
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I don't know if he knew how to accept his role when he had such
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a flashy rookie year and now all of a sudden he has big game
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managing quarterback. I think Mendoza knew he had to
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be a game managing quarterback because of the way this Miami
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pass force was doing now. I think Indiana's offensive line
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held their own better than I. Thought secondary was great and
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for for Miami. Too.
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Yes, Miami secondary, I think made a lot of interesting
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coverage disguises. They had to do a lot of
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contested catches in the first half of that game.
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And even in the third quarter, Indiana's receivers held their
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own and I think won some of those battles.
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But it wasn't enough where you were saying, all right, this guy
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is a lot of spacing like you saw in the Oregon game, a lot of
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spacing like you saw at points during the Alabama game and they
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were getting all those yards for the catch.
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It was really the Indiana running game that was doing a
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lot in the Indiana in a defense in the special teams with a
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block punt doing a lot of it. And Miami, there were points.
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I thought they were out playing them because Tony was getting a
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lot of space, they were getting yards after the catch, they were
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extending drives. They just stalled a lot of the
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time at midfield in the beginning.
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The missed field goal hurt Job. I think he's missed 4 kicks
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already this tournament, which hasn't helped in Miami special
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teams department. But there were points of it
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where they just had to do enough and they just never could finish
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drives in the red zone. And that was I.
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Think what a Jagger that block punt was too.
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That was a dagger. I mean, think about that.
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If they didn't block that punt and it wasn't a touchdown, Miami
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wins the game. Yeah, Miami wins the game,
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right? Because you're looking at a
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defensive duel in the second-half the way that that
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turned around. But now Indiana's back up by 10.
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It changes a lot with Miami's playbook.
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Mark Fletcher was getting it going with the running game
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standpoint, but now you can't run the ball as much down 10.
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And Tony did everything he could pretty much will his team back.
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But Indiana's offense just getting too much time of
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possession. And I think Steve White was
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talking about it last week with the NFL, how much time of
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possession that certain teams have had in the playoffs.
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Indiana's time possession, even though those drives they didn't
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score, were a big difference in why Miami could never get
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comfortable with their offensive game plan either.
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Yeah, no, I mean, for me it was, you see the first half and what
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Carson Beck obviously being in position, Mendoza having the
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year that he's had, I mean, he only had 100 and what, 16 yards
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in the first half. Carson Beck had like 86, right.
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But I think when when you put it together, we always talked about
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being in that experience and and understanding what it takes to
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win. It became a tale of two halves
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and that at one point they were both equal in yards, in the
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second are total yards at 318. And so they were kind of in that
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same realm. But then I think just Mendoza's
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composure and just how much more elite he is as a quarterback.
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And I'm just going to say it like how big his balls are.
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And it showed in the way he did things.
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And, you know, when he carries himself in a way that people now
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are sometimes questioning, is he too nice?
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Well, I don't know if there's a thing that's too nice.
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Obviously you have to have a chip on your shoulder.
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And obviously he has that chip because he wouldn't be that.
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But he's also surrounded by great players and great coaches.
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But just the way that he constructed and how he did.
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Like if you heard the interview after the game, like he he could
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have checked that off to a pass and he said it and he literally
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just was like, hey, we're going to go for it.
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And he goes the offensive lineman and being selfless, like
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there are times you have to give yourself a little bit of credit.
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Like obviously you didn't get to that position without your
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offensive line and all those guys.
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But like he did a little bit if you read between the lines,
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because he was like, yeah, I could have checked off.
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I could have done this. This was this was the option of
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what it was. And he goes, I looked at it and
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said, hell, here we go. One of one of his one of the
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best offensive lineman's in the country on on Indiana at the end
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of the game if he didn't make that penalty, if he didn't step
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off. Yeah, they don't get a chance.
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He's literally one of the best offensive line and gets the
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roughing to pass there. Number 97, I don't remember his
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name, but yeah, it doesn't even give them a chance to do.
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But that second, I've made it so fun because it was literally
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talking to everybody. They were like, and I don't know
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if you guys felt this way and then people you talked to, they
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were like, it's either going to be a boat race or it's going to
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be really close. And after the first half, I
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didn't know what to think at that point.
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I was like, are they going to come out?
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And then obviously Miami comes out, scores quick, then Indiana
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scores and they come back with a 91 yard drive with like in I
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think it took 2 minutes. That was that was both teams.
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They were all methodical drive so they scored them besides
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Fletcher's big play. Yeah, so it was after the first
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half I just, I kind of was just shaking my head and I'm like,
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well, I guess we'll see what happens to make adjustments and
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what. And then I, I felt the
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second-half was going to be the way the whole game was going to
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be. Personally, that's the way I
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felt. And, but that second-half was,
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was absolutely incredible. And it was so fun to see guys
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making plays all over the field and just a really good.
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I, I didn't like what Fletcher did after the game, think that
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was unwarranted and not needed. And it kind of took away from
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the celebration a little bit, But that's neither here nor
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there. But I, I, I think it lived up to
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the hype. And you know, hats off to to
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those guys and and Indiana Hoosiers.
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And are they are they a basketball score?
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Are they a football school? Now that's a question.
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Yeah, well, Mike Woodson's coaching there now, so we'll see
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if they can get their basketball program going.
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But I before we move on, I just want to mention Carl in the
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comments section to Miami out gaining Indiana.
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I need a little more air yards for Carson Beck on that last
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throw. And yeah, that would that's
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always been his flaws. Never been a big arm guy but
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just needed to do a little more there.
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All right, all the Giant fans couldn't wait for this segment
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and I'm going to give you my take now.
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Adam Schefner reports that the Giants have hired John Harbaugh
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to be their next head coach. Schefner added that the Giants
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will pay John Harbaugh A5 year $100 million deal, trying him or
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tying him with Andy Reed for the largest deal in NFL history
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really as a head coach in the league.
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The Athletic reports that Joe Shane will stay as the Giants
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general manager, but Harbaugh will have a lot of say in the
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offseason decisions and both guys will have to report to the
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owner. Who does this sound like, ladies
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and gentlemen? ESPN Jordan Rodham reports that
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Harbaugh believed that the Giants were in a better position
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than the Falcons and the Titans, the only other two teams that
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interviewed him. ESPN reports that the Giants
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interviewed 8 other coaches, including Kevin Stefanski, Vance
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Joseph and Mike McCarthy. The Ravens offensive
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coordinator, Todd Monken, is expected to follow Harbaugh to
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New York as long as he doesn't get a head coaching job
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elsewhere. Harbaugh was hired about a week
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after being fired by the Ravens after an 889 season.
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I'm sorry. Which is still more wins than
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the Giants have had in the last two seasons who have gone 7 and
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27. Well here's my take for all you
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Giant fans out there that are probably going to hate me after
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this. I love John Horrible.
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I think he's a great coach, but there's no way in hell he
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believes that the Giants have more talent and has a better
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roster than the Atlanta Falcons for him to sell that to anybody.
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Tells me how stupid he really believes New York fans or Titan
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or Atlanta fans believe he thinks they are.
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I do not believe at any point whatsoever John Horrible had any
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interest in going to the Atlanta Falcons or the Titans.
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It was always the New York Giants.
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Or sit out for the season and wait until he sees what's out
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there next year. He only took this New York
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Giants job because the Giants were willing to pay him.
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Think about this. He is $100 million richer.
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It's guaranteed. Jon Gruden got $100 million
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guarantee contract. And boy, oh boy, he's singing to
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the the league, ladies and gentlemen, he's going because
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he's making himself a lot of extra money after he sued the
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NFL. But here's the facts, guys.
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The Giants don't know what they're going to be doing with
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Dexter Lawrence in the off season because they have no
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money. They're $11 million rich to go
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out there for free agents this year.
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They don't have a lot of draft stock.
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They don't have The Jets draft stock.
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The Atlanta Falcons lost a lot of draft stock because they made
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that move. But look at the talent that they
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have on the defensive line. Now I'm going.
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To say it's their best pass rush they've ever had, that's.
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That's I'm just saying think about that.
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To go out there and think that the Giants have more talent, Why
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Jackson Dart? What has Jackson Dart done so
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far? Please tell me, sell it to me,
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Giant fans. He looked good.
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I like Jackson. He could be a great quarterback.
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Let me ask you guys a question. John Harbaugh is a great coach.
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We all know the greats that he coached.
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Ed Reed, was he his guy? Speedy, was he his guy?
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Suggs, was he the guy? His guy?
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Ray Lewis, was he his guy? But they want a Super Bowl.
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Joe Flacco, was he his guy? Yes.
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John Harbaugh does to me. Lamar Jackson didn't want him
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there and that's why he is swimming and he was looking for
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a new job. His guy that he developed didn't
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want him there. And if you look at the teams
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that he has developed over the years, have they won a Super
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Bowl besides the one that was really put together before he
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was there? The answer would be no.
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No. So who's he developed, what team
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and what players besides Lamar Jackson and quote UN quote, Joe
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Flacco, who is not a Hall of Famer?
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Tell me the answer would be nobody.
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So the Giants reached they could have hired Kevin Stefanski, Mike
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McCarthy, guys that I believe are a better fit as far as I'm
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concerned when it comes to the quarterback in Jackson Dart, if
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you want to develop him. And to think, and I'm I'm not a
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Kevin Stefanski fan when it comes to developing quarterbacks
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because he couldn't do it over there and with the Browns, but
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at least he won coach of the year twice.
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Mike McCarthy was the guy. He was the guy.
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He developed Aaron Rodgers, he developed Dak Prescott.
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Say whatever you want. You want to make jokes.
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He did. And maybe he doesn't interview
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very well because Mike McCarthy still not hired by anybody.
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Todd Munkin and I got news for you guys.
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Lamar Jackson did not like, he did not want to be coached by
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Monken. So you Giant fans better hope
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that Jackson, Lawrence Jackson Dart likes Todd Monken because
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Lamar Jackson didn't. And I, I, I got to give him a
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little bit of credit. John Harbaugh is a great
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personality. He'll be great for the players.
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I I don't know if he's a developmental coach and I know
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Giant fans are going to attack me on this And and I know Giant
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fans believe that he'll make them a competent team this year,
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even though they're going into a season with very lean of money
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and they're going to have to move one of these guys including
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and one of those guys might be Dexter Lawrence.
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How is that going to work when you're losing a guy that was
24:19
injured all season long and he's your best defensive player in my
24:23
eyes? I know what Burns did this year,
24:26
but he's not next to Lawrence. Let's be honest.
24:30
I just and I don't trust Joe Shane and I don't trust John
24:34
Mayra. And by the fact that you're
24:36
hearing that they have to go to ownership, they it reminds me of
24:39
Woody Johnson that when did have you ever heard AGM and a coach
24:45
have to go and speak to the Giants brass?
24:49
Never. I've never heard this.
24:51
Tom Coughlin never had to go and speak to John Mayra.
24:54
Never. Bill Parcells never had to do
24:57
that. Think about that.
25:00
What it tells me right now is they're transitioning into the
25:04
teams in the organizations that have failed to do the right
25:07
thing for their organization. And that, ladies and gentlemen,
25:11
is guys and team. I'm sorry, guys like Woody
25:14
Johnson and the New York Football Jets.
25:16
So we go back and we talk about John Horrible and his
25:20
announcement in his press conference today.
25:23
John is a likable person. You got to like him and he he
25:26
speaks very well about the New York Giants organization and
25:28
that this was the team. And I, I'm going to, I'm going
25:32
to be as graceful and, and happy to be here just as much as I was
25:36
with the Ravens. This is a one of the the top
25:39
organizations in the NFL and all this lovely, great things that
25:42
you heard John Mayer, John Harble say and, and John Mayer
25:45
say about John Harble at the press conference.
25:49
Here's the facts. John Horrible has not won
25:54
anything since that Super Bowl. He failed to beat the Kansas
25:59
City Chiefs. Year of.
26:01
What was it 3 years ago, Two years ago in the AFC title game,
26:06
AFC title game, when you were the better team, you were by far
26:12
the better team than the Kansas City Chiefs.
26:16
It was a failure. And John, you're the reason why
26:18
they failed. Your defensive coach in
26:23
McDonald, he goes over there to Baltimore.
26:24
Your defense was one of the worst defenses in the NFL this
26:28
year. Why, John, why do you think
26:30
nobody wanted you there anymore? Because guess what?
26:35
Your coaches are gone now. You're reaching.
26:38
You're trying to find guys from the, you know, the the escape
26:41
route. I'm trying to find somebody
26:43
that's going to fit in as a Baltimore Ravens defensive
26:46
minded coach. But by the way, your defensive
26:49
coordinator there sucked and you suck.
26:53
So giant fans. You can attack me on my take.
26:56
You can attack me till I'm blue in the face.
26:59
This was a bad hire and the only reason why is Joe Shane's there.
27:03
If Joe Shane goes, you're going to have John Harbaugh choose his
27:07
GM. Well, how does that work?
27:09
When have you heard your coach ever pick the GM?
27:14
Sweetie, could you tell me the last time you can remember a
27:17
head coach pick his GM? I'm going to tell you.
27:19
I believe it's your boy. Kyle Shanahan and how many Super
27:23
Bowls have they won? 0.
27:25
Zero. That's right, ladies and
27:28
gentlemen, I'm not striking. I'm hitting home runs.
27:33
And here's the home run for you Giant fans.
27:36
When you hear any of the thoughts of your coach coming
27:41
out there and saying that this is a better roster than the
27:45
Atlanta Falcons only tells you what you know.
27:48
And we know about your head coach.
27:51
He is dumb. Absolutely dumb.
27:55
Yeah, I don't know where you're seeing they have more talent on
27:58
the Atlanta Falcons, maybe besides the front 7.
28:01
And that's even close because Atlanta pass rush, like we said,
28:04
even though they traded up a lot to get that second, second,
28:07
first round pick, that pass rush duo for the Atlanta Falcons did
28:10
very well. And their interior has been
28:12
pretty good all year. And their secondary is a lot
28:15
better than the Giants. And this is the same Joe Shane
28:17
that spent a lot in the secondary this offseason and it
28:19
didn't amount to much of anything.
28:20
Their run defense was historically bad.
28:22
They were second worst in the NFL this year, even with
28:24
Lawrence having go. Ask, go ask Joe Shane who his
28:27
number one pick was in his first draft.
28:30
How good is he? Yeah, your corner, who everybody
28:33
says is the worst corner in NFL history.
28:35
Oh yeah, well, that's not ideal. And then he also that's.
28:39
Joe Shane, ladies and gentlemen, combined attack with the one and
28:43
only guy you call your head coach now, John Horrible, who is
28:47
$100 million richer. And then you also have to deal
28:50
with a lot of these other guys that while they have produced at
28:53
times are still inconsistent. You have a complete bust with
28:56
Evan Neal, who doesn't even start even this season when the
28:58
Giants off. Another Joe Shane guy.
29:00
Yep, that was his first. Draft Yvonne Thibodeau.
29:04
Is a mystery because you have $11 million of salary cap.
29:07
You have Abdul Carter there now as a second guy on a rookie
29:10
contract to go along with Burns. Like, do you pay him?
29:12
Do you trust anything to pay him?
29:14
At this point, he probably seems like the most reasonable trade
29:17
value casualty because you game the fifth year option.
29:20
But again, going back to what you're inheriting, you're
29:23
inheriting Joe Shane's team with Joe Shane now trying to make
29:25
more decisions to try to make this roster better.
29:27
And it's just a not an ideal thing.
29:29
And John Harbaugh, obviously what worked under Ozzie Newsome
29:31
was one of the best GMs this era that we've seen develop great
29:35
talent with the Ravens. But like you said, the Ravens
29:38
core since I think he had to restart it after that Super Bowl
29:42
hasn't been the same as much. They had some good defensive
29:44
players. Marlin Humphrey I would say was
29:45
good. CJ Mosley when he was there was
29:47
good. They've had some good ones, but
29:48
not enough enough where there's enough consistency on key
29:51
positions. Corner depth, edge rushers has
29:54
always been a big problem for the Ravens and receivers
29:57
especially has been a big problem for the Ravens.
29:59
Guess what's the problem for the Giants besides the leak
30:01
neighbors who's not 100% healthy wide receivers.
30:03
Yeah, good luck trying to find that, Joe Shane, because you
30:05
haven't done it all that time. Now you bring in John Harbaugh
30:07
coming in from the Ravens disciple.
30:09
Have that work. Too.
30:10
And you have neighbors coming back from a big injury.
30:12
You don't know what you're going to get.
30:14
Out of the Robinson? Come on now.
30:15
Who had finally a Goodyear? They're not going to be able to
30:18
signify that he's not going to be able to sign him because he's
30:20
going to be asking a lot of money.
30:22
He was one of the elite wide receivers in the league in top
30:24
ten in catches. I mean, and and looks to me he's
30:29
the blanket for your guy Jackson Dart and now he's going to go to
30:33
free agency. He's going to get a lot of
30:35
money. He'll.
30:35
Probably. He'll probably go to the Chiefs
30:36
and be like in a pro. Bowler over there or something.
30:38
He's going to get a lot of money in the offseason and the Giants
30:41
don't have the money to pay him. So where does Jackson Dart go
30:44
next year, and why does any Giant fan believe that this move
30:47
is going to make them that much better?
30:49
Yeah, there you can't expect anything to be an instant
30:51
success by any means. Now when I posted your article,
30:54
you check out Errol article on John Harbaugh on the Worldwide
30:56
Sports Radio Network when I posted it.
30:58
On I Love It 20,000 fans. Yes, on our on our Reddit board,
31:01
there were a lot of Giants fans were being realistic saying 6-7
31:04
win season probably is all we're going to expect that of them.
31:06
But there are others that I had those expectations that it's
31:09
higher. You can't expect it to be a
31:11
quick fix overnight. This is a guy that is a veteran
31:14
head coach. Yeah, he had a great first year
31:16
with the Ravens. He went to the AFC championship
31:18
game with Flacco. But again, those types of years
31:20
don't happen all the time, and you can't expect it to happen
31:23
instantly in just one year of a turn around.
31:26
He's no Tom Coughlin, right? He's no Bill Parcells.
31:31
Yeah, and I was going to say the Giants roster is not anywhere
31:34
close to where that Ravens roster was at the time.
31:37
They had one bad year. Their team got a little old,
31:39
fine. The Giants team is, I guess, on
31:42
the younger side, but they're not super young either with a
31:44
ton of upside where you could expect it to be turned around
31:46
right away in a division that's pretty tough.
31:48
Eagles, Cowboys. Cowboys should get better this
31:50
offseason with the draft stock they have in Washington.
31:52
They're not going to be as bad as they were like this year,
31:54
like they were unlucky. You can't sell me.
31:57
You can't sell me when when you hear your job, your coach come
32:00
out and say that this is the best roster, this is the best
32:03
team out of the teams that he was interviewing with, maybe
32:06
they're better than the Titans. You can argue better than the
32:09
Titans. You can argue that you can
32:11
argue. That like we were ranking it
32:13
last week. I was definitely saying Atlanta
32:15
was the one. Now we know the bills are open.
32:17
The Bills are probably #1 now the Ravens and the Steelers are
32:20
both better. Obviously, I was on the fence of
32:23
even thinking Arizona was just as good as the Giants, right?
32:25
Right now the Giants are probably more upside.
32:27
But again, you can't expect a quick fix right now with with
32:31
John Harbaugh. Is it a good move?
32:32
Maybe. But again, I agree with you.
32:34
I would rather have a McCarthy. It's a stabilizer.
32:36
Maybe the Giants do need A and then.
32:38
You got and you got guys like Fish coming out and I love you.
32:41
Fish and I, I, I had my take on Fish.
32:44
If you read the story, you'll probably laugh.
32:45
And Fish didn't like some of the takes that I shot at him the
32:49
hip. And that's what I do.
32:50
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not going to beat around the Bush.
32:52
I love Fish. Fish is my guy.
32:54
But I'm not going to beat around the Bush.
32:56
I'm going to come out and I'm going to come out strong.
32:58
If you're a Giant fan and you're going to sit here and you're
33:01
going to try to sell me this and you're going to try to argue
33:03
with me about all John Horrible's going to make a
33:05
difference. But then you don't know
33:06
football. You don't know football.
33:09
Because the fact here is John Horrible had the best
33:13
quarterback in the NFL on his roster.
33:16
Has he won anything with him? No Will and it Was he going to
33:20
win anything? No, and that's why Lamar Jackson
33:23
didn't want him there anymore. Lamar said I had enough with
33:26
John. I want somebody else in there, a
33:29
younger voice, a better voice and a voice that's going to help
33:32
me get over the hump because God knows John Harbaugh wasn't and
33:36
that is a fact. And by the way, you Baltimore
33:39
Raven fans out there, don't cry. Don't cry because you still have
33:43
an elite quarterback. And if there's anybody that I
33:47
trust in an organization that's going to find the right guy,
33:51
Ozzie Newsome is still there. He's still working with the
33:54
organization. He's still there.
33:56
If there's anybody that's going to choose the right guy, that's
33:59
going to put them in the right position to succeed, it's Ozzie
34:01
Newsome. And thank God it wasn't Robert
34:04
Sala. Yeah, that doesn't Bola with
34:05
that one. But before you go job, I just
34:07
want to mention this too. Like I'd rather have Harbaugh
34:10
than a lot of these flashy rookie coaches, Kubiak or any
34:13
one of those guys that would have been available.
34:15
Because again, I don't think the Giants are one coach away.
34:17
I don't think I don't think you can expect a transformation like
34:20
you saw with Houston their rookie year or Washington the
34:24
the previous year like those kinds of things.
34:26
Things just don't happen overnight.
34:27
So I'm fine with the culture stabilizer guy for that kind of
34:30
thing. But again, to expect John
34:31
Harbaugh to put them in or any coach don't really put them as
34:34
an instant contender is something that's could be
34:36
questioned. Now, I'm fine with the money.
34:37
I mentioned it last year with Ben Johnson.
34:39
The Bears had to take a big swing for Ben Johnson, even have
34:41
to pay more. And look how it's turned out for
34:43
them. But the Bears have a lot more
34:44
talent than the Giants do too. A lot more.
34:46
Yeah. And it was just being wasted by
34:48
even worse coach and a lot more money.
34:50
Brian Davis, a lot more draft stock.
34:52
Brian Davis looks like a a a genius compared to about ever
34:55
flu spots. Nevertheless, Todd Monkey, if he
34:58
does go over there, hopefully we get the Tampa version of him.
35:00
That was a little more pass. Happy for Jackson darts to
35:03
develop and not the run heavy type kind of hybrid that you saw
35:06
with Lamar Jackson because that kind of system is not going to
35:08
work with dart otherwise it's running the ground.
35:11
No, I, I wanted to switch gears a little bit and, and you kind
35:14
of touched on it with the Ben Johnson thing.
35:16
I I find it very interesting in in these contracts that these
35:21
coaches are getting. Well, coaches don't count
35:23
against the cap, so that's why I'm OK with the deal.
35:25
OK, So that for me it's like trying to understand because
35:29
obviously players we go against players and contracts and how we
35:31
see it and obviously that doesn't go against the cap, but
35:35
do do is there any like system that they use as far as what it
35:41
is or is it just? Like, no, it's just the owner.
35:43
It's just the ownership has to pay, but they're fine with
35:45
paying it. The Raiders are still paying Jon
35:46
Gruden. I wrote that up earlier.
35:48
Yes, I did, but it's just it's fascinating to me, like learning
35:53
a lot from you guys and where my brain kicks in and I'm like, OK,
35:57
well, coach wise, it's like now he's guys paid like does.
36:03
Is there ramifications from other sides?
36:04
Because we've obviously seen with Sean Payton and people can
36:07
trade for Tomlin because they saw his rights for another year.
36:10
And we've seen obviously Sean Payton when he went to the
36:12
Broncos with with draft picks and stuff like that, is do do
36:16
they release the description of their contract or is it just
36:20
they don't? Have to again, it's they're
36:23
under the difference with that is they're under the team
36:25
control with with the Saints, the Saints got a first round
36:27
pick. They drafted Brian Breece.
36:28
He was a good defensive tackle with that pick.
36:30
In this case, with the in the case with the Raiders, it was a
36:33
whole because it was a resignation, it was a whole
36:35
buyout thing. And I would imagine it's the
36:37
same kind of thing if it doesn't work out with a.
36:38
Giant and Mike Tomley got himself a lot of money from
36:41
wherever he's going to be work. I think he's working for Fox
36:43
now. He he could sit out for a couple
36:46
of years if he wants. I don't think he will.
36:48
He'll stay out for a year and then decide, hey, you know what,
36:52
I could come back or I could coach this team or some team
36:55
will go out there and offer him a significant portion of money.
36:59
So I don't believe in any part of what I have seen over the
37:04
last couple of years when it comes to coaches that have sit
37:07
out like a Rex Ryan who never came back.
37:10
I cannot see Mike Tomlin sitting out long enough like his his
37:13
predecessor and Coward who decided, oh, I don't need to go
37:16
back. Tomlin loves the game too much.
37:18
And and Tomlin, remember he got the job when he was 34 years
37:21
old. He's still fairly young.
37:23
He's what, 52 years old? He's still very young.
37:26
He's as a head coach. He's got a lot of years left if
37:29
he wants another job. I just don't believe there's any
37:32
jobs that interest him going into this offseason.
37:35
So he's going to take the money as a broadcaster and spend time
37:38
with his family. And next year, if a team is out
37:41
there that has tremendous, A tremendous amount of talent and
37:44
draft stock. I'm mentioning one if if Aaron
37:47
Glenn fails, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a phone
37:50
call from Woody Johnson. It it's typical because Miami is
37:55
another team that likes to hire coaches and fire him just as
37:58
quick. So I, I mean, what's interesting
38:02
to me is Mike McDaniel. It's it's still.
38:05
Out there, apparently the Browns want him badly.
38:08
And then there's other teams. Now, obviously with the Bills,
38:10
we'll get to them in a bit. I think the Bills are going to
38:12
try, but they have a weird rule where they have a delay where
38:15
they can't interview these coaches.
38:16
It's strange, but the Browns were the team.
38:19
That was and Sean McDermott is a quality head coach.
38:22
I mean, he's done a great job over there in Buffalo.
38:25
He's the one that developed Josh Allen, I think.
38:28
I don't think people give him enough credit for the Josh Allen
38:30
development. He was there from the beginning
38:32
and he was there and you got to give him credit for that.
38:35
So Sean McDermott might not get a job this year.
38:38
Or if somebody wants to reach this year and if Sean wants to
38:40
get another job, I think Sean should sit out this year, take a
38:43
break and then take another job. Sean McDermott is going to be a
38:47
hot commodity next. Year, I just want to point out
38:50
because a shout out to Nathan, you mentioned in the chat too as
38:52
well, but you mentioned Mike McDaniel.
38:54
Mike McDaniel actually just got picked up by the Chargers as
38:56
their new offensive. Coordinator.
38:57
Wow. Really.
38:58
Yes. So he is now with the Chargers
39:00
on Jim Harbaugh's coaching, and I'm going to tell you why he did
39:03
that, ladies and gentlemen. And the reason why he did that
39:05
is because Mike McDaniel knows that playing with Justin Herbert
39:09
next year and with the offensive lineman they're getting back
39:12
next year, could you imagine what that offense is going to
39:15
be? The way they can run the ball
39:16
when they get their offensive firepower, their running backs
39:19
back. I, I not only are they going to
39:21
be dynamic, it's going to give Mike McDaniel another chance to
39:24
be head coach in this league. He to me, if I, and I'll say
39:28
this, he's my favorite coach. Oh yeah, he's my favorite.
39:32
And if there's any coach out there, Mike Tomlin or any of
39:35
these guys, I'm taking Mike McDaniel.
39:36
If the New York Jets are listening to me today and they
39:39
they might be or they might not. If Aaron Glenn ever gets fired
39:42
and I don't want him to get fired, but if he ever gets
39:44
fired, if if the fans push out Aaron Glenn, that's the guy I
39:47
want. I want an offensive minded
39:50
coach. He's weird.
39:52
He has a weird way of speaking because he doesn't speak right,
39:55
but his drawing up plays, his understanding of the speed of
39:59
the game and the way he finds players in the draft and and
40:03
really looking for the players that fit his offense.
40:06
He is the guy that I would bring there.
40:08
You need an offensive mighty coach.
40:10
He's the best one. That's the guy.
40:12
You're not worried about the trend of draft, of not at all by
40:16
X by heavy coaches Adam Gates. No, no, not at all, Quickly
40:19
eyes. No, because Adam Gates is not
40:22
Mike McDaniel. I I think what Mike McDaniel
40:24
brings to the table is an understanding on how to under
40:29
the understand the speed of the game and use the players to work
40:32
in his system. I don't think Adam Gates
40:34
understand it what understood what kind of system he wanted to
40:36
run. I think Mike McDaniel is the
40:39
system trender and that's why I think he's the best hope for a
40:42
lot of teams. And they got in and go to the
40:44
Browns because he would have failed there.
40:46
I think sitting out a year and try not to copy Robert Sala.
40:50
I mean, we'll get into that a little bit later.
40:52
But this guy is to me a slam dunk.
40:55
Whoever hires him next. He had a winning record when he
40:58
left Miami. Miami fired him with no
41:00
quarterback. Think about that.
41:02
He had no quarterback there. He took over for a coach that
41:05
should have never been fired. Think about that and people
41:09
questioning them bringing Mike McDaniel in.
41:12
He to me, he did everything you wanted a coach to he two times
41:16
in the playoffs with a quarterback, backup quarterback,
41:20
one year a third string quarterback and almost won that
41:23
game. I mean, it's an it's an amazing
41:25
feat when you think about a young guy who has a tremendous
41:29
ability of understanding that the game and and understanding
41:32
the new style of game that teams and quarterbacks have to learn
41:37
how to play. So that's the guy, man, That is
41:39
the guy. That's the slam dunk baby.
41:42
Jabba is, you know, in and out tonight, you know, jiggling and
41:46
wiggling, as we all know. We're waiting for the old
41:49
peepster, as we all know, ladies, and, and he's coming in.
41:53
But my golf clap is right around the corner.
41:57
This deserves a golf clap. No doubt.
42:00
Golf clap, golf clap, and my golf clap of the day goes to the
42:06
MLB. Finally, the riders get it
42:10
right. And ladies and gentlemen, Carlos
42:13
Beltran and Andrew Jones is now going to the Hall of Fame, and I
42:21
think very well worth it. I think about it.
42:23
Andrew Jones, who's one of the greatest defensive center
42:25
fielders we've ever seen from the Atlanta Braves.
42:27
I I think he doesn't get enough credit on his defense.
42:31
And yeah, maybe he did steroids, maybe at a time that he did
42:34
steroids because he had a couple of seasons where he hit over 40
42:37
home runs and, and one time fifty home runs.
42:40
Maybe he did steroids, but it was never been proven.
42:42
But guess what? There are a lot of guys that are
42:44
in the Hall of Fame that I believe did steroids.
42:46
Jeff Bagwell, you're going to tell me he never did steroids.
42:49
How about Mike Piazzo, we've heard many, many times he had
42:51
pimples all over his back. I know that doesn't mean
42:53
steroids, but hey, that's the sign of it.
42:56
I mean, there are a lot of guys, David Ortiz who was on the list.
42:59
There are guys that are in the Hall of Fame, Carlos and he did
43:01
some nasty things as a manager. There's no question that he did.
43:04
He was a part of that Astro scandal and he was a part of
43:07
that. That's why he didn't get the
43:09
match job and that's the facts. And I still think he should get
43:12
a coaching job or a manager job one way or another.
43:14
Guy's a great baseball mind. This guy was one of the greatest
43:17
playoff players we've ever seen. When he was, when he went to the
43:20
Astros, from jumping from one team to another, when he when he
43:23
left Kansas City, what he did in Kansas City when he was, then
43:26
when they went to the playoffs, then what he did with the
43:28
Astros, then what he did with the Mets.
43:30
I mean, this guy was an all around beast, great defender,
43:34
great offensive player, very well deserved.
43:37
And Andrew Jones did just as much of of he's just as much of
43:41
A talent as Carlos Beltran. Beltran has for what he did on
43:44
the football, on the baseball field, when it came to power,
43:47
when it came to hitting, when it came to defense, everything very
43:51
well deserved and the writers got it right.
43:53
They finally got it right. These guys belong in the Hall of
43:56
Fame. These guys are two of the greats
43:58
of this era and very well deserved.
44:00
So my God, clap goes to the writers.
44:02
Finally, I'm going to give him a golf clap on sending Carlos
44:06
Beltran and Andrew Jones to the the Baseball Hall of Fame.
44:10
Cooper's down. Golf clap.
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Golf clap. I love the personalities that we
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bring on the show. I I just love how the flow of
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the show has been working and it's been great.
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It's been such a success for all the transitions and and all the
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different stories that we get into.
44:28
So and we give the best takes. I don't care what anybody says.
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Our takes are as good as anybody's and we go outside of
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the box. I'm sure nobody says the things.
44:37
I mean, did anybody say, did anybody bring up McDermott going
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to The Jets? Did anybody even think to do
44:43
that? I mean, Jets, The Jets haven't
44:45
even thought to do that because they're dumb organization.
44:48
So I, I just think our takes are fresh, new and interesting.
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And I think people that haven't listened to the show or has
44:57
heard of the show should be listening to it.
44:59
Understand that we are the best. And I will put this show against
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anybody and I'll, I'll, I'll take that to the grave.
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And when it when it goes, when it comes to and when it goes to
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an opportunity and comes to an opportunity in the future, you
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guys are going to see why I say this and why I believe we are
45:14
the best. Anyways, thank you to all the
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Spotify and Apple fans on video and audio for downloading us.
45:21
Thank you to all the TikTok fans, all the Instagram fans,
45:24
all the Facebook fans, X fans, all of them Joppa in the mouth,
45:28
Worldwide Sports Radio Network, Rolo the mouth 34, all the guys,
45:34
all the people, all the people following us.
45:36
You know, obviously interested in what me and Joppa have been
45:39
doing as a tandem and, and what we've been we plan to do in the
45:43
future is a lot of big opportunities.
45:45
So stay tuned guys, We really do love you and happy birthday to
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fish. Happy 40th to fish.
45:52
And we got two guys with the age of 40.
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You know, the babies are speedy actually, Tommy's the old
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youngest guy on the show. Niffin's right there with
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Speedy. And then we have the old
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goodster. The old goodster.
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It was going to be 35 this year, I think so, yeah.
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I didn't realize Goody was that young, I thought he was actually
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a little closer to Javas age and he used to mind.
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No, he's closer to your age. Yeah, Yeah, but the old good
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stir is getting up there in age too.
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So we love you too, man. Anyways, that's it for a show.
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Who do we have on three? All right, one of our favorite
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baseball guests and Java, he's never been on with you, but I
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know, I know, I know you 2 have a good connection with each
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other. It's actually interesting.
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When we first had you join for the Yankees postgame years ago,
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I saw you interacting with this guy on Twitter at 9:30.
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Returning to the show is our friend, Mr. Ryan Spader, MLB
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Analyst and the founder of The Ace of spader.com.
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Oh, Ryan Spader, the Spader. Oh my God.
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Oh, we're getting that Jackass on.
46:52
Oh, there we go. Yeah, I'm texting right now.
46:58
The old Rhinster. Neutral on Bush, don't want to
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think. About it.
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All right, there we go. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan
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Spader will be on Thursday. All right, it is 11:30 and it's
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time to go. I'm hungry.
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I want to say goodbye. Goodbye to you and farewell.
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And we will talk to you on Thursday.
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Goodnight. Farewell.
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It is the worldwide sports Radio network.
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Radio Network.