Latest / I Am All In with Scott Patterson / It’s Luke Just Luke… Mr. Luke Part 2 (S2 E6, "Presenting Lorelai Gilmore")
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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in like you. I Am all in
- 0:17Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hey everybody,
- 0:22Speaker 1: we're back and we're gonna do the recap and I
- 0:24Speaker 1: am Scott Patterson and this is the I Am all
- 0:27Speaker 1: In Podcast with our Heart Radio one eleven productions. Uh,
- 0:31Speaker 1: we are going to get into presenting Lorele Gilmore season
- 0:36Speaker 1: to What episode is this? Does anybody know? This is
- 0:39Speaker 1: episode six six? So most I was one off six
- 0:44Speaker 1: Season two episodes six. Boy, we're really motoring down that
- 0:47Speaker 1: Gilmore Highway, aren't we? Oh my god, it's it seems
- 0:51Speaker 1: like we just started yesterday already, were you know well
- 0:53Speaker 1: into season two? It's flying by wow? Um anyway, what
- 0:59Speaker 1: you go think? What you know? You tell us first?
- 1:03Speaker 1: What did you think? I don't know? You want to
- 1:04Speaker 1: you want to do the let's do Riley, go ahead
- 1:08Speaker 1: do the synopsis for us. Riley, thank you. I love
- 1:12Speaker 1: doing the synopsis. Thank you for queuing me up. This
- 1:15Speaker 1: is season two, episode six, presenting Laura La Gilmore. Air
- 1:18Speaker 1: date November six, two thou one. Rory surprises every Rory
- 1:22Speaker 1: surprises everyone by agreeing to Emily's request that she make
- 1:25Speaker 1: her debut at a debutante ball, and when Laura Lai
- 1:27Speaker 1: asked Rory's dad, Christopher to present his daughters to society,
- 1:31Speaker 1: she finds herself attracted to the new, more responsible man
- 1:34Speaker 1: that he has become. Scott, you give us your initial
- 1:37Speaker 1: thoughts of the whole episode, because I have a few
- 1:41Speaker 1: things that really stood out. No one asked you. My
- 1:43Speaker 1: initial thoughts of this episode were are um discomfort. It
- 1:52Speaker 1: was uncomfortable for me to watch Laura Lae giving Christopher
- 1:58Speaker 1: another chance for purse, no reasons, for character reasons, because
- 2:02Speaker 1: it's still kind of a part of me, right. I mean,
- 2:03Speaker 1: you can't separate. You can't. It's hard to separate, and
- 2:07Speaker 1: you know, you try to put that stuff away, but
- 2:08Speaker 1: it's like I'm watching these episodes now, so I'm it's
- 2:12Speaker 1: reigniting a lot of stuff. Um, and I just think,
- 2:16Speaker 1: you know, after ten years and he's in his early thirties,
- 2:19Speaker 1: that he's figuring out about responsibility. And you know, the
- 2:23Speaker 1: one thing that really hit me. I got very sad
- 2:28Speaker 1: at one point in this episode because Rory didn't have
- 2:31Speaker 1: a dad, and it made it really hit me. It
- 2:35Speaker 1: really hit me hard about what could have been and
- 2:39Speaker 1: how they should have tried to work it out. I mean,
- 2:41Speaker 1: I kept saying to myself, why couldn't they have worked
- 2:43Speaker 1: it out? And why couldn't this girl have had her dad?
- 2:46Speaker 1: And he's such a fantastic guy, you know, it was
- 2:50Speaker 1: so much potential, and even even when he said he's coming,
- 2:55Speaker 1: they still were like, yeah, right, that's like trust him.
- 3:00Speaker 1: And so I related that experience to mine as a father,
- 3:04Speaker 1: and I just couldn't imagine walking out on my kid
- 3:07Speaker 1: no matter how. But I mean, I didn't have a
- 3:09Speaker 1: baby at six. Okay, I wonder does Christopher and his
- 3:18Speaker 1: relationship with lore bother You clearly have chemistry. I don't
- 3:24Speaker 1: find it entertaining, and I don't see feel the chemistry.
- 3:28Speaker 1: And I think it's because you're Luke. I see it,
- 3:33Speaker 1: feel it? Do you really? Yeah? I feel their chemistry.
- 3:37Speaker 1: I was bummed for her when he had to say
- 3:42Speaker 1: I can't stay because there's someone in Boston, and like
- 3:47Speaker 1: you know, is he felt Rory was happier for him
- 3:50Speaker 1: because I don't think she realizes how much lore I
- 3:53Speaker 1: still loves him. But the disappointment that I felt for
- 3:56Speaker 1: LORELEI just as she sort of really was like crushing
- 4:00Speaker 1: on him or liking him or you know, I think
- 4:05Speaker 1: their banter is always like right on point, and I
- 4:09Speaker 1: wonder if it bothers you because it's like, that's what
- 4:12Speaker 1: she has with Luke. Look, I'm part of the audience. Now,
- 4:14Speaker 1: I'm one of them. Okay, So what I'm doing is
- 4:20Speaker 1: I'm watching this girl, this woman who this character Luke loves,
- 4:25Speaker 1: and thinking, get your butt to the diner and get
- 4:28Speaker 1: it going. Let this from Romance begin. Stop f and
- 4:34Speaker 1: around with these people that are not solid human beings.
- 4:40Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a guy sitting there on a
- 4:42Speaker 1: park bench and they're all moony for each other and
- 4:45Speaker 1: giggily and smiley talking about how at three years old,
- 4:50Speaker 1: he's finally realized that he has to get a car
- 4:53Speaker 1: and get off the motorcycle. And yeah, and you know
- 4:56Speaker 1: what the most telling scene in the whole thing for
- 4:58Speaker 1: me was is when they on into the Volvo Laurela
- 5:01Speaker 1: and Christopher and he turned on that horrible music and
- 5:09Speaker 1: I'm thinking, but what on earth is that? It's but
- 5:14Speaker 1: but it's like, what are you kidding me? I mean,
- 5:18Speaker 1: is there even a competition here? You know? Get so again,
- 5:23Speaker 1: it was like, get your butt out of that car
- 5:25Speaker 1: and get to Luke's and let that romance start going
- 5:28Speaker 1: because that girl has a hole in her heart, and
- 5:31Speaker 1: and it's and it's like biology versus practicality, and and
- 5:35Speaker 1: what's right for Rory? And another thing that got me
- 5:37Speaker 1: is when you know who's gonna take me? If it's
- 5:41Speaker 1: not if Christopher is not going to take her to
- 5:45Speaker 1: and and she and and and they're sitting at the
- 5:48Speaker 1: table saying, well, I will who could it possibly be?
- 5:50Speaker 1: And I'm thinking she said Taylor. Rory said, well, we
- 5:55Speaker 1: could get Taylor, you know, maybe we get the sanitation guy,
- 5:58Speaker 1: or you know, I'm like, what do you think that
- 6:01Speaker 1: it hurts? Couldn't hurt? I was hurt. It was jarring
- 6:05Speaker 1: for me to say. I think the writers didn't write
- 6:07Speaker 1: Luke because if they would have said Luke, you were
- 6:11Speaker 1: the more logical choice than Christopher, it was almost like
- 6:15Speaker 1: they couldn't say it, like yeah, of course Luke is
- 6:18Speaker 1: going to do it, but it's still like why I
- 6:20Speaker 1: even have the storyline with Christopher. So that's that's again
- 6:24Speaker 1: getting the audience to participate in the piece by leaning
- 6:27Speaker 1: forward and saying what about Luke? Yeah, that was very
- 6:32Speaker 1: jarring to me. That was really charring. I was just like,
- 6:35Speaker 1: I think the part you and I disagree on this.
- 6:38Speaker 1: I do like the chemistry with Christopher. I always think
- 6:42Speaker 1: they have a great damswer. They know each other so well.
- 6:46Speaker 1: What I haven't figured out yet, even though I've seen
- 6:49Speaker 1: all the episodes of My you know I know, is
- 6:53Speaker 1: that at this moment, does Laurelai crush on Christopher as
- 6:57Speaker 1: she's seeing him become what she always wanted him to
- 7:00Speaker 1: be in the old feelings? You know what I mean? Like,
- 7:03Speaker 1: does she really love him now or does she just
- 7:05Speaker 1: love it? He's the dad and they never had their
- 7:08Speaker 1: shot and blah blah blah. I think he's gonna end
- 7:12Speaker 1: up being the rebound guy for Max, and I think
- 7:18Speaker 1: he's going to know that. And I think, I mean,
- 7:22Speaker 1: I I write, do I do? I not know? I
- 7:25Speaker 1: do not know what's coming. I don't know what's coming. Well, yeah,
- 7:30Speaker 1: I remember, you know little bits. But I guess I
- 7:33Speaker 1: don't understand as much as I hope I would understand
- 7:38Speaker 1: the human heart because she is so She's bouncing around
- 7:43Speaker 1: like a pinball machine looking for love and she deserves
- 7:47Speaker 1: it and she deserves a really solid guy. I don't think.
- 7:51Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to criticize Christopher I think
- 7:53Speaker 1: he's a terrific character and a terrific guy, but he's
- 7:59Speaker 1: not settled. He's not right for them. Now now that
- 8:02Speaker 1: Rory is is older, now it's going to do less
- 8:07Speaker 1: damage to Rory and ultimately maybe not so much Laura
- 8:11Speaker 1: if they do get back together. She goes off to college.
- 8:14Speaker 1: Christopher and Laura la are together and they're having a
- 8:17Speaker 1: fabulous time. And if it doesn't work out, it's not
- 8:19Speaker 1: going to destroy uh, Rory's future any damage John has
- 8:24Speaker 1: already been done. She's already worked it out, you know
- 8:27Speaker 1: what I mean, she's already worked it out. She's growing past.
- 8:29Speaker 1: It's done, sure, you know, but it's not It doesn't
- 8:32Speaker 1: seem so tragic. Sure, I always notice, you know, Christopher
- 8:37Speaker 1: pulls up in the volvo, Rory comes out. She's so
- 8:39Speaker 1: happy to see him. Laura and Christopher always kiss, They
- 8:43Speaker 1: always kiss hello, and she doesn't do that with other characters.
- 8:47Speaker 1: And then there was I think there was three kisses
- 8:50Speaker 1: in this episode. She definitely kisses him on the mouth
- 8:54Speaker 1: when they're in the in Stars Hollow and she's saying,
- 8:59Speaker 1: you know, Boston's not that far. It's like they have
- 9:02Speaker 1: this chemistry connection, but it is physical like they definitely
- 9:10Speaker 1: he can't such each other and oh yeah, they're worth
- 9:13Speaker 1: free kisses. She kisses him goodnight, like on the list.
- 9:15Speaker 1: He can't handle her, He cannot handle Laurelay. He cannot
- 9:21Speaker 1: exist in that world. He is not able to exist
- 9:26Speaker 1: in that world. They are not a good couple, okay,
- 9:29Speaker 1: even though they made a child, they're not right for
- 9:31Speaker 1: each other. To me, that is clear. She is too
- 9:35Speaker 1: she is too powerful and and he is too unsettled.
- 9:40Speaker 1: He's always catching up. You know. It's like it's like
- 9:42Speaker 1: he's so boyish. It's like he's not emotionally mature enough
- 9:46Speaker 1: to catch up to where she is in her life.
- 9:48Speaker 1: You know, she moved on and she made a career
- 9:50Speaker 1: in a life f rory. What the hell has he
- 9:52Speaker 1: been doing riding around his motorcycle, you know, starting businesses unsuccessfully,
- 9:56Speaker 1: you know, searching, searching, searching the law soul. He as her,
- 10:00Speaker 1: he about Sherry, that they're living together. I don't want
- 10:04Speaker 1: to I don't want to lead the witness. How did
- 10:06Speaker 1: you feel? What did you feel when he told her that?
- 10:10Speaker 1: I didn't understand why he let it get to that
- 10:12Speaker 1: point where he knew there was all this flirtation and
- 10:15Speaker 1: he knew there was all this chemistry between them and
- 10:18Speaker 1: he and obviously she was egging him on and and
- 10:22Speaker 1: looking at him and you know, being very open to him.
- 10:25Speaker 1: And he could read those signs very early on in
- 10:28Speaker 1: the episode. So why did he let it get to
- 10:30Speaker 1: that point? So to me it seems a little sort
- 10:33Speaker 1: of passive, aggressive and a little hostile. You know, he
- 10:35Speaker 1: acknowledge that I was disappointed for her, even though look
- 10:39Speaker 1: I love Luke and lowrlyon, I was disappointed. I felt
- 10:43Speaker 1: bad for her, right Yeah, I mean yeah I did too.
- 10:47Speaker 1: I mean, she's barking up the wrong tree and it's
- 10:50Speaker 1: so obvious, but you know, we're talking about somebody who
- 10:55Speaker 1: is working your tail off to being a great mom
- 10:58Speaker 1: and she wants some love in her life. She deserves it.
- 11:02Speaker 1: But it's right down the street serving your coffee, okay,
- 11:07Speaker 1: you know they and in the diner beating the burger.
- 11:12Speaker 1: Yeah that was good, that was funny. He is so
- 11:15Speaker 1: well done about this episode is the sprinkling of Jess.
- 11:20Speaker 1: They are not beating us over the head with Jess there.
- 11:23Speaker 1: It's not like we met him last week and now
- 11:26Speaker 1: Worri's falling in love with him. It's just sprinkling, like
- 11:29Speaker 1: we're getting to know him. We had two great scenes
- 11:32Speaker 1: with him. Uh, but it's more subtle. Did you notice
- 11:37Speaker 1: that's banging me over the head? No, it's like he
- 11:40Speaker 1: what we're seeing now is like, you're not fit for society,
- 11:44Speaker 1: and you're in boot camp and I'm your drill instructor,
- 11:47Speaker 1: and this is what's happening. And once you're prepared, you
- 11:50Speaker 1: will have more scenes with other people. What do you
- 11:55Speaker 1: think when he's wearing the Luke classic moment, it's it's
- 12:00Speaker 1: it's like now you know, it's it's still his rebellious self.
- 12:04Speaker 1: I mean, he's conforming without conforming. You know, there's double
- 12:09Speaker 1: meaning there, So it's you know, it's another typical clever,
- 12:13Speaker 1: rebellious Jess move right, I mean without having to say anything.
- 12:17Speaker 1: So he's a he's a brilliant character. He's a brilliant kid,
- 12:21Speaker 1: you know. Um, but I think it shows on a
- 12:24Speaker 1: certain level a lot of respect, you know, an unconscious
- 12:29Speaker 1: level of respect for Luke. You know, because he went
- 12:31Speaker 1: into his closet and he put on one of his
- 12:33Speaker 1: shirts in one of his hats and came downstairs. So
- 12:35Speaker 1: it's really making nice you know, there's nothing upset about
- 12:39Speaker 1: for Luke. He's really making nice and it's like, hey,
- 12:41Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a joke out of this. I see
- 12:44Speaker 1: Rory watching him. That's what I thought was interesting when
- 12:47Speaker 1: she's eating the burger in that you know, second to
- 12:49Speaker 1: last scene, just watching him watching you too. He's not's
- 12:55Speaker 1: not ignoring him's not. They're both were watching. That's why
- 13:00Speaker 1: he was cast. You can't you can't ignore that, right, um.
- 13:10Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, this episode really framed
- 13:13Speaker 1: for me, uh you know, looking forward and also framed
- 13:17Speaker 1: looking back what could have been, what Rory will become,
- 13:21Speaker 1: and what Laurel I could have been. And it was
- 13:24Speaker 1: such a poignant moment, such a poignant moment when Emily
- 13:29Speaker 1: and Laurel are standing there and Emily says, you know
- 13:32Speaker 1: that that was supposed to be you mm hmm. Following
- 13:37Speaker 1: up with the final scene of the episode, Laurel goes
- 13:41Speaker 1: over and just just to hang and I'm I'm here
- 13:45Speaker 1: if you know, you want to talk. Heartbreaking, absolutely hard.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Concerned about Richard and Emily, but I'm mostly concerned about
- 13:52Speaker 1: Richard with you know, he is having a crisis at
- 13:58Speaker 1: work that he's being phased out and losing his identity.
- 14:05Speaker 1: I don't know that that moment for me with her
- 14:08Speaker 1: cutting the trimming her rose bushes or whatever she was doing,
- 14:12Speaker 1: and Lauraa just like, what are you doing here? Hanging? What?
- 14:16Speaker 1: What is that? We don't we haven't established that you're
- 14:18Speaker 1: not my daughter? Really you don't really like me? And
- 14:20Speaker 1: what are you doing here? And it just for me,
- 14:24Speaker 1: it took on tragic proportions because that's time, you know,
- 14:28Speaker 1: that's sixteen seventeen years that you can't get back and
- 14:30Speaker 1: you can't relive it. And that's a life and that's
- 14:34Speaker 1: a relationship that just won't be as full and fruitful
- 14:38Speaker 1: and loving um as it could have been. And I'm
- 14:42Speaker 1: not blaming anybody for I'm not blaming you, Laura, I'm
- 14:45Speaker 1: not blaming Emily. It's just life. Life can sometimes be
- 14:49Speaker 1: very tragic. What do you make of the fact that
- 14:53Speaker 1: she went to Emily to sort of be there for
- 14:56Speaker 1: her instead of going to Richard to say, hey, do
- 14:59Speaker 1: you want to talk about what's going on at work?
- 15:01Speaker 1: Like she really went to Emily multiple times in this episode,
- 15:06Speaker 1: which I think she had flashbacks to her own relationship
- 15:10Speaker 1: with Christopher and the arguments that they were having that
- 15:12Speaker 1: split them up because they were of a similar nature.
- 15:16Speaker 1: I mean, all these arguments are pretty much similar. It's
- 15:19Speaker 1: like you're not spending enough time with the family, you're
- 15:21Speaker 1: working too hard, and you know, during that kind of relationship,
- 15:24Speaker 1: and the guy didn't want to talk about it, you know,
- 15:27Speaker 1: and and and you're not listening to me. I told you,
- 15:30Speaker 1: and you're not listening to me. And these are common, right,
- 15:32Speaker 1: everybody has them that's in a relationship. Um, And I
- 15:36Speaker 1: think it made her just flashback to those moments with Christopher, like,
- 15:39Speaker 1: what have I lost? Here? It may and I could
- 15:42Speaker 1: lose my parents and my father's you know, they're getting
- 15:45Speaker 1: he's getting older now, everybody's getting older, and my daughter
- 15:50Speaker 1: is going away to college and I am going to
- 15:52Speaker 1: be alone. And what will I have? What have I
- 15:56Speaker 1: created in my life that I've detached myself from my
- 15:59Speaker 1: mother and my father necessarily in her mind right, justifiably
- 16:05Speaker 1: so in her mind. But now what does she have
- 16:09Speaker 1: if we so the messages? You know, families everything, We
- 16:12Speaker 1: have nothing if we don't have our families. And a
- 16:15Speaker 1: little bit of sliding doors that Gwyneth Paltrow movie Sliding Doors,
- 16:17Speaker 1: because and I think you pointed it out in our
- 16:20Speaker 1: last episode when the fan dance is happening behind Laura, like,
- 16:25Speaker 1: and you do have that moment of like, wow, she
- 16:28Speaker 1: could have had an entirely different life had these certain
- 16:33Speaker 1: things not happened. She would have been doing the fan dance,
- 16:35Speaker 1: and who knows what would have happened, And you see
- 16:39Speaker 1: them wondering, and then Emily points it out by saying,
- 16:43Speaker 1: should I think it's high time And I don't know
- 16:46Speaker 1: if this happens in the episodes, I think it's high
- 16:48Speaker 1: time that Laura like get some therapy, yes, yeah, and
- 16:53Speaker 1: talk about and talk and really explore what made her
- 16:58Speaker 1: rebel so hard against her or family and the country
- 17:02Speaker 1: club lifestyle and the cotillions and the balls and then
- 17:07Speaker 1: all of that stuff. What made her move to Stars Hollow,
- 17:13Speaker 1: What made her behave so rebelliously? What? What was it?
- 17:18Speaker 1: You know? What's so interesting? Tell me if I'm crazy
- 17:23Speaker 1: this show were made today. Don't you think the wacky
- 17:27Speaker 1: therapist would have been a character in Stars Hollow? Like
- 17:30Speaker 1: twenty years ago that wasn't so like what he did,
- 17:34Speaker 1: but now like the whole family would have been in
- 17:36Speaker 1: therapy and or I don't know, I just feel like
- 17:39Speaker 1: if it was made today, there would be the Kirk
- 17:42Speaker 1: that was the therapist of stars that or the somebody
- 17:48Speaker 1: just super I don't know, I could see that because
- 17:51Speaker 1: that is so logical what you're saying. Why are these
- 17:54Speaker 1: people all not in massive therapy. Anyone that has a
- 17:57Speaker 1: kid at sixteen, they all need therapy. Anyone whose dad
- 18:02Speaker 1: isn't in their life needs therapy. Like, I think made
- 18:05Speaker 1: a really interesting point. Yeah, I mean, therapy is a
- 18:09Speaker 1: wonderful thing. And you know, there are a lot of
- 18:12Speaker 1: people out there that are trained to to to handle
- 18:15Speaker 1: all kinds of different situations. They have a lot of
- 18:17Speaker 1: experience in it. And Laura La I need somebody like
- 18:19Speaker 1: that right now. There's a lot going on in her life.
- 18:22Speaker 1: She's gonna lose her daughter to college, she has no
- 18:25Speaker 1: real relationship with her parents. Every time she's at a
- 18:28Speaker 1: Friday night dinner, she's sarcastic and hostile toward her my
- 18:30Speaker 1: own mother. The mother just tolerates. And the mother even
- 18:33Speaker 1: said Emily even said at the top of this episode
- 18:35Speaker 1: when she came in the first time for Friday night dinner,
- 18:38Speaker 1: that we didn't see the dinner, but we just saw
- 18:40Speaker 1: the entrance. And she said Laura, La, you're exhausting. I agreed.
- 18:44Speaker 1: It's like so much enter energy expended for all this
- 18:48Speaker 1: verbiage and all the sarcasm, and I san god, the
- 18:51Speaker 1: level of engagement and doesn't go to therapy like and
- 18:56Speaker 1: I get it. Twenty years ago. It was a little bit.
- 18:58Speaker 1: It wasn't so like obvious. But yeah, that would be
- 19:03Speaker 1: a whole interesting thing to breakfast too. Alright, uh oh,
- 19:08Speaker 1: I never you know that little clock in that ping,
- 19:11Speaker 1: I never hear it because we're so involved and that
- 19:14Speaker 1: clock that timing. Anyway, we got to take a break.
- 19:17Speaker 1: The clock is barking at me right now. Secret when
- 19:20Speaker 1: we come back. Yeah, if you want to. It's excited
- 19:25Speaker 1: about no, no, no, I think it's I think. But
- 19:27Speaker 1: I have a bombshell too, So why don't we compare bombshells? Yes,
- 19:31Speaker 1: mine will not be as good as I'm ready. Are
- 19:32Speaker 1: you sure? I'm pretty sure mine will be sort of
- 19:35Speaker 1: like laugh, It's like a pop gun. It's like, what
- 19:42Speaker 1: I have a bombshell, can't wait? Okay, okay, mine will
- 19:46Speaker 1: go first. That way, mine would be a letdown. Right
- 19:49Speaker 1: then I'll have egg on my face when mine isn't
- 19:51Speaker 1: such a big deal, right, and you're just setting me up.
- 19:52Speaker 1: I know you're up right. You're smarter than everybody put together, right,
- 19:56Speaker 1: got it? I understand. M alright, so all right, let's
- 19:59Speaker 1: take little break and we will be back and we
- 20:02Speaker 1: will talk bombshells. Yeah, all right, everybody, we're back. Amy
- 20:10Speaker 1: has a pop gun of a bombshell. It's not really
- 20:13Speaker 1: a bombs a little something. Maybe I'll have questions, maybe
- 20:17Speaker 1: I'll questions. Always. I don't typically admit this. I debated
- 20:22Speaker 1: whether or not to admit this, but it just seemed
- 20:25Speaker 1: too obvious. Uh I, it's hard to say. It's hard
- 20:31Speaker 1: to admit. I'm not gonna by I was a debutant. No, wow,
- 20:40Speaker 1: that's massive. No, it's not massive. But people wondering is that?
- 20:47Speaker 1: Isn't that over the top. It's pretty fairly accurate. Now
- 20:52Speaker 1: where are you? Where were you at debut in California?
- 20:56Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, the hoity toitus of it all. Wedding
- 21:00Speaker 1: dress thing is totally accurate, and escort thing is totally accurate.
- 21:04Speaker 1: The dad part is totally accurate. It was all pretty accurate.
- 21:08Speaker 1: Other than Emily's part was pretty accurate. We did not
- 21:14Speaker 1: have any kind of fan dance. Riley is dying. Were
- 21:18Speaker 1: you a debut at Riley Amy. I'm crying because I
- 21:22Speaker 1: convinced my parents to not let me be a debutant,
- 21:25Speaker 1: and I convinced them to give me the number or
- 21:27Speaker 1: the money that would cost for the wedding dress and
- 21:30Speaker 1: put it towards something else. Like I was so against
- 21:33Speaker 1: being a debutant because it was not my thing. And
- 21:35Speaker 1: so I'm crying that you don't think it was my thing.
- 21:38Speaker 1: But I was like, yeah, sure, okay, fine, basically just
- 21:42Speaker 1: like Rory, like it makes other people happy, like it
- 21:46Speaker 1: made my grandparents happy, it made my parents happy. Sure, fine,
- 21:50Speaker 1: you know whatever, But yeah, I have a full wedding dress,
- 21:55Speaker 1: full poof tool Ryan. So I mean almost exactly like
- 22:00Speaker 1: one of those dresses. You have to share pictures. You
- 22:02Speaker 1: have to share pictures of this event. Please, we have
- 22:06Speaker 1: to see these pictures my dad. So the difference was
- 22:09Speaker 1: you had to waltz and you had a waltz with
- 22:12Speaker 1: your dad, and then you have to waltz with the
- 22:15Speaker 1: escort something like that. The waltz is hard. I was
- 22:19Speaker 1: not a good waltter. That was like Otherwise, yeah, I
- 22:23Speaker 1: mean it was pretty accurately portrayed. Maybe I'm sure somebody
- 22:29Speaker 1: was drinking had a flask back there. It's pretty accurate.
- 22:35Speaker 1: Like you were a debutant, and did you did you
- 22:39Speaker 1: marry your escort? Fo escorts didn't escort, so a lot
- 22:43Speaker 1: of people would have like a sibling be their escort.
- 22:45Speaker 1: Mine was like a childhood friend. There was less of that,
- 22:48Speaker 1: like you weren't going to marry your escort and you
- 22:51Speaker 1: weren't like out like who wants to be my husband?
- 22:54Speaker 1: It was not quite that. And I was a debutant
- 22:57Speaker 1: in N two that was before this, But yeah, I
- 23:02Speaker 1: mean pretty accurate. And you were in the paper as
- 23:06Speaker 1: a result. You were in the San Francisco Herald, in
- 23:08Speaker 1: the San Francisco examin Or with a photo. I think
- 23:11Speaker 1: it's a chronicle, the San Francisco Chronicle or one of those. Yeah,
- 23:15Speaker 1: Amy Amy Sugarman debuts. Yeah, he definitely says that. Like
- 23:20Speaker 1: I think it was a group photo. It was like
- 23:24Speaker 1: a little un you were sixteen sixteen, No, you're for
- 23:28Speaker 1: ours your eighteen, So they want you, they want you
- 23:32Speaker 1: to be able to drive to the place right, and
- 23:35Speaker 1: then it kind of happens. I think I think it
- 23:37Speaker 1: was senior year something like that, and it's a little embarrassing,
- 23:43Speaker 1: Like it's like not something you know because it's kind
- 23:48Speaker 1: of fancy or HOI all the same things that embrace said,
- 23:52Speaker 1: you're lucky, right, it's not going for you. What's interesting
- 23:56Speaker 1: is like, that's why I thought it was so active,
- 24:00Speaker 1: really done, some of the reasons for it. You know,
- 24:04Speaker 1: it's a tradition, sort of an archaic tradition and sort
- 24:08Speaker 1: of ridiculous, but it's sort of like you get it.
- 24:11Speaker 1: So you're Rory Gilmore, You're not Laurela. You're Rory. Yeah,
- 24:16Speaker 1: I was. It's not my thing, but I was cool,
- 24:20Speaker 1: fine to do it. Riley, you're our resident Laurela. But
- 24:29Speaker 1: I bring it up just because it was portrayed. It
- 24:33Speaker 1: was not over the top except for the fan dance,
- 24:37Speaker 1: right yeah, and kind of like even when so we
- 24:43Speaker 1: had older dad's do you know what I mean, like
- 24:45Speaker 1: art because he obviously didn't have weren't born when our
- 24:48Speaker 1: parents were sixteen. But I love when she says Christopher
- 24:52Speaker 1: to Christopher like you're a hot dad. He said, you're
- 24:56Speaker 1: a hot dad. And it's like there was always so
- 25:00Speaker 1: of like, oh that one girl has the hot dad,
- 25:02Speaker 1: and where where did this take place? Where did you
- 25:05Speaker 1: do many of these or did you do just just
- 25:07Speaker 1: the one on one? And then where did it take
- 25:10Speaker 1: place in San Francisco? I know, but where at a hotel?
- 25:14Speaker 1: Ball where the St. Francis Hotel or something like that.
- 25:22Speaker 1: And then it's just kind of like, was there a
- 25:24Speaker 1: placard outside the room the Amy Sugarman debuson ball present
- 25:32Speaker 1: presenting Amy Sugarman. There's like parties leading up to it
- 25:37Speaker 1: and like a whole thing. Wow, So you were introduced
- 25:44Speaker 1: into high society San Francisco style in the early nineties. Yeah,
- 25:50Speaker 1: I guess so I might have been. Not like there's
- 25:52Speaker 1: two so there was ours and then there's a fancier
- 25:56Speaker 1: one in San Francisco. I wasn't in the top top
- 25:59Speaker 1: one was the one that was considered fancier. But it's
- 26:04Speaker 1: just because I didn't I think, Yeah, whatever, I wasn't
- 26:07Speaker 1: in the fancy fancy. So here you are. Here you
- 26:10Speaker 1: are during the beginnings of the dot com boom, right
- 26:16Speaker 1: a debutant eighteen. This explains all the yachts in the houses.
- 26:21Speaker 1: Let's explains this explains everything. I have no more questions
- 26:24Speaker 1: only because I thought I'm not saying it about me
- 26:27Speaker 1: and saying it because I thought people would think it's
- 26:29Speaker 1: interesting because some people might know what or some people
- 26:32Speaker 1: might think like, what is this? It was pretty well
- 26:35Speaker 1: done the way they didn't And even like when Emily
- 26:38Speaker 1: gets so mad because he's like, I thought, this is
- 26:41Speaker 1: in an elegant ballroom, not the shaky's, Like, what was
- 26:47Speaker 1: the line she had about the flowers. She had a
- 26:51Speaker 1: great line about the flowers. What did she say when
- 26:53Speaker 1: she walked in and she saw the flowers? Oh, oh
- 26:56Speaker 1: my god, she said it was babe on at the
- 27:00Speaker 1: like hospital. So many funny like, so many funny lore
- 27:14Speaker 1: Lie with the book on her head, even chicken. I
- 27:17Speaker 1: was like, I wanted all of us to see if
- 27:19Speaker 1: we could walk with the book on her head and
- 27:20Speaker 1: eating Kung Pat chicken and she's like, I can even
- 27:22Speaker 1: spit the peanuts back in And then at one point
- 27:25Speaker 1: Rory comes in and she's all, hey, a little Debbie
- 27:28Speaker 1: because like a little Debbie but then also debut. I mean,
- 27:33Speaker 1: whoever wrote it this episode definitely knew what they were doing.
- 27:40Speaker 1: And the tails there were people on the writing staff
- 27:43Speaker 1: that had been through that. They definitely what they were
- 27:45Speaker 1: talking about. They were not writing something they didn't know.
- 27:48Speaker 1: Because even Dean going tails, which was totally like, oh god,
- 27:53Speaker 1: like that even worse and like almost like we had fun,
- 27:57Speaker 1: but a little bit you're dreading and you're like, this
- 27:59Speaker 1: is bid? What are we doing? Right? And there was
- 28:03Speaker 1: a great scene between Rory and that other girl, that
- 28:05Speaker 1: blonde girl who was trying to do her shade of lipstick.
- 28:08Speaker 1: If I put the wrong color, I look like what
- 28:10Speaker 1: what did she say? She looks like a teacher or
- 28:13Speaker 1: a teacher and she's been trying to decide from a
- 28:16Speaker 1: prostitute or a teacher. Oh my, oh my god. She
- 28:21Speaker 1: you know, it's so funny, Like Rory was so level
- 28:29Speaker 1: headed and cool, calm and collected that whole time. She
- 28:31Speaker 1: couldn't understand why all these this, especially this one girl,
- 28:35Speaker 1: was flipping out. I only have an hour and a
- 28:37Speaker 1: half to finish, her goes. Really, I'm ready to go.
- 28:40Speaker 1: I'm good to go. Even though she was down to
- 28:42Speaker 1: do it, he wasn't put off by it. She wasn't
- 28:46Speaker 1: anti right, she just was sort of the children. So
- 28:49Speaker 1: let's discuss that, because that created a lot of angst
- 28:52Speaker 1: inside of Laureline, you know, and it really please so
- 28:55Speaker 1: Rory wants to please her grandmother. She wants to you know.
- 29:00Speaker 1: So here's the question is is Rory influenced? Obviously, is
- 29:05Speaker 1: Rory influenced by her decision to actually go through with
- 29:10Speaker 1: this against her mother's wishes? And Laurel I backed down
- 29:13Speaker 1: pretty easily. She really did? She really? I thought so too.
- 29:16Speaker 1: I thought I was surprised by that. Yeah, that she
- 29:19Speaker 1: was like, all right. I thought that was gonna be
- 29:21Speaker 1: a point of contention throughout the episode. I thought that
- 29:23Speaker 1: was gonna be the whole episode. It was like the battle,
- 29:26Speaker 1: the battle, the battle lines are drawn. Here we go
- 29:29Speaker 1: and boundaries are being invaded again and crossed without permission,
- 29:33Speaker 1: and Laura is gonna getting a maserati and head over
- 29:36Speaker 1: to Emily's and give her what for. My take on
- 29:39Speaker 1: it is this Rory loves making her grandparents happy. Yes,
- 29:47Speaker 1: I also don't think she's so anti all of it.
- 29:52Speaker 1: She likes her fancy school. Remember in episode one she
- 29:55Speaker 1: was so excited to get into Chiltern. She is not
- 29:59Speaker 1: as put off by the fanciness of it that Laurela is.
- 30:06Speaker 1: It's not necessarily Rory's like I must have this or entitlement.
- 30:12Speaker 1: She just doesn't find it awful. But I think from
- 30:16Speaker 1: Rory's point of view growing up the way she has,
- 30:19Speaker 1: she doesn't want to face or experience any more familial battles.
- 30:25Speaker 1: It's like, Mom, well you just put down your sword.
- 30:28Speaker 1: This is all good stuff. I don't have to fight
- 30:31Speaker 1: your battles with you or for you anymore. I'm done.
- 30:36Speaker 1: I want to do this thing. This is good for me.
- 30:40Speaker 1: I think it's nice. You know, my grandparents are being
- 30:43Speaker 1: really great with me, and so this is making creating
- 30:48Speaker 1: even more anxiety inside of Laurel. You're right, she spelled
- 30:52Speaker 1: it out pretty clearly, like, hey, I'm I don't have
- 30:55Speaker 1: any reason like why I wouldn't want to do this,
- 30:58Speaker 1: and it makes Graham was so happy, Right, well do it? Yeah,
- 31:04Speaker 1: why don't we just relax? I don't have a bone
- 31:06Speaker 1: to pick with my grandmother and grandfather. You know, you
- 31:10Speaker 1: you you keep you know, keeping this hatred alive in
- 31:14Speaker 1: this this this division alive. But what's so awful about
- 31:19Speaker 1: the mom? They're pretty great to me, and they they're
- 31:23Speaker 1: pretty great to her too. They tolerate her. I mean,
- 31:27Speaker 1: god darn it, what happened? What happened between this family?
- 31:32Speaker 1: And that's what they don't show, which is so maddening,
- 31:36Speaker 1: Which is so wonderful about the show. It's like, what happened?
- 31:40Speaker 1: How bad were those fights? Can you imagine those fights
- 31:43Speaker 1: that they had when she was sixteen and I'm pregnant,
- 31:48Speaker 1: or be a nice night and dad can be there
- 31:57Speaker 1: and we can listen battle box with Deean to get
- 32:01Speaker 1: him to hold my hand down. Yeah, I think I
- 32:05Speaker 1: think every child's instinct or every kid's instinct who is uh,
- 32:11Speaker 1: you know, there's there's not a mother or a father
- 32:13Speaker 1: in the home or whatever, their instinct if they have
- 32:16Speaker 1: the opportunity is to bring the family back together. That
- 32:20Speaker 1: is in the psychology and the psychological makeup of every
- 32:24Speaker 1: child that comes from a somewhat broken home. If it's
- 32:28Speaker 1: not a completely horrible person that they're calling forth back
- 32:32Speaker 1: into the family, right. So it's so, it's so I
- 32:34Speaker 1: think Rory has a lot of that where she's mature
- 32:37Speaker 1: enough to see the benefit for this for her and
- 32:39Speaker 1: for her mom. Pretty great. These people are pretty great.
- 32:43Speaker 1: It's it's taking you know, the adult view of things
- 32:47Speaker 1: over time. Mom, this is gonna work out great for me,
- 32:50Speaker 1: and it's also going to work out great for you.
- 32:52Speaker 1: So I really see now that Rory is the lead
- 32:55Speaker 1: character in the show, showing everybody how to live their
- 32:58Speaker 1: lives and bury the hatchet and come back as a family.
- 33:01Speaker 1: So this is really a very slow motion revolution, coming
- 33:07Speaker 1: back to what once was and maybe even making it better.
- 33:11Speaker 1: And she's carrying the torch for it without really being
- 33:15Speaker 1: pushy about it, but she's just so mom, this is
- 33:17Speaker 1: what I want. Yeah, how great did Laura La look
- 33:22Speaker 1: at the debutmball? Oh, speaking of which we could have
- 33:26Speaker 1: talked to Brenda about. That was the perfect dress, Like
- 33:29Speaker 1: she fits in there perfectly with that little bit of edge,
- 33:34Speaker 1: like you know when the Bartenders and the aim and
- 33:37Speaker 1: the whole, you know, she's still her but she's not
- 33:41Speaker 1: awkward or out of place ever at those Oh no, no, no, no,
- 33:46Speaker 1: she's she's of she's cut from that cloth. With Christopher
- 33:50Speaker 1: saying with Christopher, yes, with the clever little quick lines,
- 33:55Speaker 1: and and I just he just I'll say it again.
- 33:59Speaker 1: He isn't a serious person. He's not a grown up yet,
- 34:04Speaker 1: he's not a fully formed the part of a grown up. Right.
- 34:09Speaker 1: What did you think of their dance? Because I think
- 34:12Speaker 1: that his father and his mother were really harsh. They
- 34:15Speaker 1: were praying, they were I mean, they must have crucified him. Yeah,
- 34:21Speaker 1: they really missed him up. Oh boy, father, what did
- 34:26Speaker 1: you think of Christopher and laure life dance at Miss
- 34:29Speaker 1: Patty's Because it was pretty awesome. I thought it was
- 34:32Speaker 1: pretty nice. Yeah, yeah, I thought, yeah, they rehearsed the
- 34:35Speaker 1: hell out of that and pulled her off beautiful, and
- 34:37Speaker 1: they both danced well. And you also, she moves very well,
- 34:42Speaker 1: she's she's very light on her feet, and she's a
- 34:45Speaker 1: she's a terrific dancer. And I think it's important to
- 34:47Speaker 1: the characters because you realize, like, wow, these two have
- 34:50Speaker 1: danced before. These two were on the path that now
- 34:54Speaker 1: Rory and Dean are going to actually go to the ball,
- 34:58Speaker 1: but they knew the aunts. They have that connection. Yeah,
- 35:06Speaker 1: they have their shot. Get over the diner. I'll show
- 35:10Speaker 1: you how to dance. You want to dance. You know,
- 35:14Speaker 1: we're not there yet. But there are so many epic
- 35:18Speaker 1: there really are, right. I was writing them all down
- 35:22Speaker 1: and then I just there was they were coming so fast.
- 35:24Speaker 1: I couldn't write that fast. I was, oh my god,
- 35:26Speaker 1: I have like a thousand lines. I love it. Here,
- 35:30Speaker 1: go through, let's go through. Let's go through. Okay, we'll
- 35:32Speaker 1: go out of order. I'll give you my favorite lines,
- 35:35Speaker 1: and one will lead us right into the pop culture
- 35:42Speaker 1: favorite lines. One is obviously Hello Sailor, Hello Sailor, and
- 35:47Speaker 1: kids all irritated, and Rory says, I think you can
- 35:50Speaker 1: do it without the Hello Sailor part. I thought that
- 35:54Speaker 1: was amazing. I love It's Luke, just Luke. Mr Luke
- 36:01Speaker 1: was right right right. The shakiest line which I mentioned, right,
- 36:06Speaker 1: what is this a shakyse and these babies breath? What
- 36:09Speaker 1: are we in a hospital with the book on the
- 36:12Speaker 1: head spitting? That's back on right right? Um? Oh, I know.
- 36:19Speaker 1: So Lorelai is talking to those women, which actually I
- 36:23Speaker 1: do have something I want to ask you about. But
- 36:26Speaker 1: and Christopher comes up and saves her, and she says,
- 36:28Speaker 1: you saved me. I love you. I want to have
- 36:30Speaker 1: your baby. It looks too late, kind of cornball city
- 36:37Speaker 1: for me. Uh yeah, those are those, you know. I
- 36:41Speaker 1: thought the whole thing was just dense again too, just
- 36:46Speaker 1: so it felt a little it just sort of everything
- 36:51Speaker 1: felt a little off from me in the beginning of
- 36:52Speaker 1: the episode. It just for me, it just felt it
- 36:55Speaker 1: got going, yeah, definitely, but it just felt um Riley,
- 36:59Speaker 1: uh uh can you queue up the bombshell please? Oh god?
- 37:04Speaker 1: I forgot. Oh yeah, I'm about to deliver. Wait will
- 37:08Speaker 1: you wait one second before because I have one more question?
- 37:11Speaker 1: Go ahead. What did you think of the scene on
- 37:14Speaker 1: the patio in early in the episode, So Emily is
- 37:18Speaker 1: having tea with her girlfriends and they are gossiping. I
- 37:24Speaker 1: mean it was aggressive gossip, like about truly bishop and
- 37:28Speaker 1: finding out that the husband had the other family at
- 37:32Speaker 1: the Shaper's cocktail party and she threw an ice sculpture.
- 37:36Speaker 1: I mean that was some you also saw that side
- 37:39Speaker 1: of it, but there is aggressive gossiping and like very
- 37:43Speaker 1: the things you don't like. It made me realize and
- 37:47Speaker 1: also re established how powerful a social force that Emily
- 37:51Speaker 1: and and Richard are in Hartford. Um, she pretty much rains,
- 37:57Speaker 1: so she's probably you know, she's the Queen of Hartford,
- 38:01Speaker 1: the grand dum. If you will even say it, you'll
- 38:05Speaker 1: be able to get your granddaughter in at the last
- 38:07Speaker 1: minute because you're Emily Gilness right right. So she says
- 38:11Speaker 1: she's she's she's a heavy heavyweight in that in that area,
- 38:15Speaker 1: it was aggressive gossiping. I was like, they definitely depicted
- 38:20Speaker 1: that accurately too. Whoa these ladies sit around and they're
- 38:24Speaker 1: talking mad bleep about this other truly bishop. It made
- 38:29Speaker 1: me want to play a round of golf at a
- 38:31Speaker 1: Tony country club and then have lunch with a tartan rug.
- 38:36Speaker 1: I wonder if some people are put off by that,
- 38:38Speaker 1: like I don't. I would be interested to hear what
- 38:40Speaker 1: people say. You know, obviously it was funny and entertaining,
- 38:43Speaker 1: But if some people are like, woof, because it's gossipy, Well, everybody,
- 38:50Speaker 1: I think everybody gossips. I don't. I don't think that
- 38:53Speaker 1: is ecology says it's healthy. There's some element of gossip.
- 38:58Speaker 1: It's why I probably were all fast night with celebrities,
- 39:00Speaker 1: because there's some element of it that's like healthy for
- 39:03Speaker 1: our PSYCHEA. Yeah, everybody gossips. Everybody gossips, but everybody else.
- 39:08Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a given. Tell people interact.
- 39:11Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for the bomb show. All right, let's
- 39:14Speaker 1: let's queue it up. An alien muffin, which people were like,
- 39:19Speaker 1: why does she keep calling it an alien muffin? Okay,
- 39:23Speaker 1: what are we observing here, Amy, We're observing a scene
- 39:27Speaker 1: where in the episode, let's go ahead and play it. Um,
- 39:33Speaker 1: hang on, what does she ask for? She x for
- 39:36Speaker 1: a gum rapper to write down the phone the first
- 39:39Speaker 1: So this is correct. Now, look there's a notebook, there's
- 39:42Speaker 1: a note How did that happen? It just appeared? Bombshell boom?
- 39:48Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Where did that come from?
- 39:53Speaker 1: Okay was a no no, well maybe, but but she
- 40:00Speaker 1: was writing down the gum wrapper. What happened? Now she's
- 40:04Speaker 1: holding out? Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. That was
- 40:11Speaker 1: eagle eyes. I don't know that it's it's it's rises
- 40:16Speaker 1: to the level of I was a debutante too. That's big.
- 40:21Speaker 1: That's a big one, right, so I think you win
- 40:26Speaker 1: this round. There was a lot of clown pillow in
- 40:30Speaker 1: this too. Okay, yeah, there there there there, there was
- 40:35Speaker 1: there there definitely back. It was almost like, oh my god,
- 40:43Speaker 1: so what are we taking away from this episode? Why
- 40:45Speaker 1: was this episode? Oh? Look, who has time? Who's dropped
- 40:49Speaker 1: into a right fielder? Right fielder Danielle has decided to
- 40:53Speaker 1: join us. Danielle was at the vet with the dog,
- 40:57Speaker 1: so we will that's right. I know you don't know
- 41:01Speaker 1: what has been happening, So just give your thoughts. Yes,
- 41:05Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts. I did tune in for
- 41:08Speaker 1: like the last like fifteen minutes so at least I
- 41:11Speaker 1: heard like some of your blinds and stuff. But I
- 41:14Speaker 1: will say that this episode and guy and I briefly
- 41:18Speaker 1: spoke about it a little bit earlier, I loved it
- 41:23Speaker 1: so much. I thought it was so good to see
- 41:27Speaker 1: a different side of Laura Lae. And also like for
- 41:31Speaker 1: a lot of the episode, I was like, oh my god,
- 41:33Speaker 1: Laura la and Christopher like they need to just be together,
- 41:36Speaker 1: like their chemistry is fired, Like it's so good. Something
- 41:42Speaker 1: something wrong with you people, There's something wrong with you people.
- 41:45Speaker 1: It was so sad for seriously wrong with you people.
- 41:49Speaker 1: And she kind of goes on a limb. It's so
- 41:51Speaker 1: like every girl's nightmare where you like go and say
- 41:54Speaker 1: it to the dude and then you're like, oh you
- 41:57Speaker 1: have a girlfriend. Yeah. She was putting in a big
- 42:00Speaker 1: effort there to batter eyelashes at him. Did you notice
- 42:04Speaker 1: that kiss on the lips all the time. Yes. I
- 42:11Speaker 1: was like like kids on the lips and boom, sorry,
- 42:14Speaker 1: I'm seeing somebody else from Boston. You know, I need
- 42:16Speaker 1: to I need to take a break. I'm sorry. You
- 42:19Speaker 1: guys just talk about this stuff and again stops like
- 42:22Speaker 1: getting hurt feelings. I know there is anyway, Daniel, go ahead,
- 42:28Speaker 1: I don't mean to interrupt you, please, And I know
- 42:31Speaker 1: those were my thoughts. And then I just for for
- 42:35Speaker 1: the first not the first time, but like this this
- 42:38Speaker 1: episode in particular, I just thought it was very fascinating
- 42:41Speaker 1: the dynamic between Emily and Richard. And then I just
- 42:44Speaker 1: got like heart wrenched with Richard realizing he's getting old,
- 42:49Speaker 1: he's being phased out, like it's time for him for
- 42:53Speaker 1: his identity not to be about work anymore, you know
- 42:56Speaker 1: what I mean. And he's just having that like self
- 42:58Speaker 1: crisis moment where he's going to tell you all what happens.
- 43:01Speaker 1: But but I got I got really sad. I was like,
- 43:08Speaker 1: you know, like his identity has been all about work
- 43:11Speaker 1: for so long and now that's not going to be
- 43:15Speaker 1: his identity anymore, and like what that means for their
- 43:18Speaker 1: relationship because his identity is what gives him their social status,
- 43:22Speaker 1: you know, so wow, we can spend they can spend
- 43:25Speaker 1: more time together, you know he can. But he's obviously
- 43:29Speaker 1: a workaholic. He's that type a workaholic, and look at
- 43:33Speaker 1: look at what he's built up. It fulfills him, it's
- 43:36Speaker 1: what makes him feel like a contributing member of society.
- 43:42Speaker 1: You gotta have it. I mean I always felt like, boy,
- 43:44Speaker 1: I need to work. I have to have a job.
- 43:46Speaker 1: I can't lay around every time. I don't vacation well
- 43:49Speaker 1: unless i'm skiing, because I feel like I'm working, right,
- 43:52Speaker 1: I'm working. Takes your mind away from it. Yeah, I'm hiking.
- 43:57Speaker 1: He's rejecting the cocktail party and rejecting the umball like
- 44:01Speaker 1: because his like, you know, identity is kind of starting
- 44:05Speaker 1: to like too bad, too bad. He can't take the
- 44:11Speaker 1: time to enjoy his success with Emily and go to
- 44:14Speaker 1: these cocktail parties and you know, but he can't. He's
- 44:18Speaker 1: busy because he feels he's busy worthless if he's not working,
- 44:24Speaker 1: or he feels the pressure. It's like, now you know
- 44:28Speaker 1: you're over six, do you go to the gym? You
- 44:29Speaker 1: gotta work twice as hard to get a half the results.
- 44:34Speaker 1: It's the reality. That's what That's what that's in in
- 44:37Speaker 1: work parlance, that's what ED is experiencing. Don't fall, don't fall.
- 44:48Speaker 1: What what were you with deputime? Hell no, no? Did
- 44:59Speaker 1: you o? People that were yes? And I would say
- 45:02Speaker 1: like during that time, I was like, oh, you know,
- 45:05Speaker 1: so and so from schools, you know, doing that gets
- 45:09Speaker 1: dressed up in the white dress. But it was just
- 45:11Speaker 1: never my thing, never my thing. But a lot of
- 45:13Speaker 1: friends of mine were. Do you hear that Riley was
- 45:16Speaker 1: a debutante? No, you were. That is the fattest lie
- 45:21Speaker 1: I've ever heard. I was absolutely not a de wu tan.
- 45:24Speaker 1: I did everything in my power to not be a
- 45:27Speaker 1: w T right right, you made the deal to get
- 45:29Speaker 1: the cash. You took the cash. Ope, my parents. What
- 45:36Speaker 1: you'd spent on the dress, I'll take into my account,
- 45:40Speaker 1: you know, but it towards school or something else. That's
- 45:43Speaker 1: so interesting. None of us me. I would have thought
- 45:48Speaker 1: you might have been. I would have maybe, but you were.
- 45:52Speaker 1: You missed that bar Oh, she was a big time
- 45:58Speaker 1: to find. I don't know. Headlines in the San Francisco Chronicle.
- 46:02Speaker 1: I mean there were huge stories that day, and they
- 46:04Speaker 1: just bumped them all like Sugarman, very like back page
- 46:09Speaker 1: of the calendar section or something. Yeah, I don't think
- 46:16Speaker 1: so anyway, what else? What else should we on Earth
- 46:20Speaker 1: about this episode? I know I was going to lead
- 46:23Speaker 1: us into the pop culture with one of the best
- 46:25Speaker 1: lines in the whole thing. So Riley, you'll have to
- 46:27Speaker 1: go out of order. But it is when Laurlize says,
- 46:33Speaker 1: nobody puts baby in a corner. And we all know
- 46:37Speaker 1: why this line means so much because Kelly Bishops in
- 46:46Speaker 1: the corner in Dirty Dancing, when that line is delivered
- 46:50Speaker 1: by the most iconic Patrick Swayzy, most iconic that movie is.
- 46:58Speaker 1: So I worked with him on a movie, Three Wishes.
- 47:04Speaker 1: He I heard he was the nicest guy, and he was,
- 47:09Speaker 1: but he was like it was bizarre how it was.
- 47:15Speaker 1: It was. It was not just nice, it was he
- 47:18Speaker 1: was just he came off like some kind of I
- 47:22Speaker 1: don't know, almost yogic figure, like a yogi. I mean
- 47:26Speaker 1: he was so centered and yes, yeah, I mean and
- 47:31Speaker 1: and any time, and he wanted to get to know everybody.
- 47:34Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, stars of that stature don't
- 47:38Speaker 1: sit down and have lunch with people like me, and
- 47:43Speaker 1: he did not just on one occasion. I was on
- 47:46Speaker 1: that film for three or four months, and we sat
- 47:50Speaker 1: down and had lunch frequently, and it was I mean,
- 47:55Speaker 1: he was just the nicest, giving me all this guidance,
- 47:57Speaker 1: and I'd ask him a ton of questions and he
- 48:00Speaker 1: smile and he laughed. I mean, what a nice guy.
- 48:04Speaker 1: Um and marry Elizabeth mastro Antonio was on that phone,
- 48:06Speaker 1: so she was the same way. She was the same way.
- 48:09Speaker 1: So you had these two people that were just like
- 48:11Speaker 1: these I don't know, they were just like more highly
- 48:14Speaker 1: evolved beings. You know what's crazy about Dirty Dancing is
- 48:17Speaker 1: like it wasn't such a big movie when it first opened.
- 48:21Speaker 1: It was over time, it's become this massive movie. And
- 48:27Speaker 1: then he had another one with ghosts, so you're like, God,
- 48:31Speaker 1: this guy is like just a massive movie star, oh,
- 48:36Speaker 1: massive movie star. And you know he was playing that
- 48:38Speaker 1: type of a character anyway, like a magical man that
- 48:41Speaker 1: comes like some kind of traveler who comes into their
- 48:44Speaker 1: lives and um in, oh god, I know, what a
- 48:52Speaker 1: what a great guy, what a great guy. You just
- 48:54Speaker 1: fall in love with him right away, right away. That's
- 48:57Speaker 1: my favorite here. He's just so dream body movie mm hmm.
- 49:10Speaker 1: But I mean to use whoever thought of doing this,
- 49:13Speaker 1: use the line nobody puts baby in a corner with
- 49:18Speaker 1: the person that was in that movie in that scene.
- 49:21Speaker 1: I mean, Kelly, I know we've talked about it before.
- 49:24Speaker 1: It was amazing and Dirty Dancing too well, and everything
- 49:28Speaker 1: she does very gifted, very very gifted, all right, Rady
- 49:38Speaker 1: time for a little pop culture once and a guitar accompaniment,
- 49:42Speaker 1: acoustic accompaniment or no this time. I don't think it
- 49:44Speaker 1: would be complete without right answer, um and going straight
- 49:52Speaker 1: into that beautiful segue Loria I says, nobody puts baby
- 49:55Speaker 1: in a corner and a couple of facts. Um. Actually,
- 49:58Speaker 1: at thirty five years old, Patrick Swayze was older than
- 50:01Speaker 1: the role of Johnny by ten years and was only
- 50:03Speaker 1: eight years younger than Kelly Bishop at the time, which
- 50:06Speaker 1: is really interesting. And Patrick Swayze insisted on doing his
- 50:11Speaker 1: own stunts. During the log scene. He kept on falling
- 50:13Speaker 1: off the log and injured his knee so badly that
- 50:16Speaker 1: they had to drain the fluid from his knee from
- 50:18Speaker 1: the swelling, and that wonderful Kellerman result result That wonderful
- 50:25Speaker 1: Klerman resort is now the Mountain Lake Lodge Hotel and
- 50:29Speaker 1: many fans make the trip up to this hotel every year.
- 50:32Speaker 1: And the lake at the hotel at Mountain Lake Lodge
- 50:35Speaker 1: dried up in two thousand two and has been dry
- 50:38Speaker 1: ever since. But if you visit the lake today you
- 50:40Speaker 1: will see a stone in memory of Patrick Swayze, which
- 50:42Speaker 1: is kind of cool. I know, Um, the song She's
- 50:46Speaker 1: like the Wind was co written by Patrick Swayze and
- 50:49Speaker 1: sung by Patrick And actually Val Kilmer was initially offered
- 50:54Speaker 1: the lead but declined that's crazy. By the way, That's
- 50:57Speaker 1: so crazy. Would not be the same movie with Val Kilmer. Yeah,
- 51:00Speaker 1: but he was offered. Val Kimmel was offered everything. He
- 51:03Speaker 1: was like it was it went to Tom Cruise Forest.
- 51:05Speaker 1: If Tom Cruise said no, it might have gone to
- 51:07Speaker 1: Val Kilmer. And you know what I mean, there was
- 51:09Speaker 1: like a Top five was Val Kilmer's call sign and
- 51:12Speaker 1: Top Gun iceman He'll always be yes. I can't wait
- 51:18Speaker 1: till that Top Gun movie comes out. Is that thing
- 51:20Speaker 1: ever coming out? Top Gun too? You know I was
- 51:22Speaker 1: supposed to come out in like got moved because of
- 51:26Speaker 1: the pandemic. Got moved. I'm like, come on, I'm dying
- 51:29Speaker 1: to see it. Anyway. I removed my secret microphone from
- 51:33Speaker 1: the Tom Cruise communicates with me from my fireplace. It's
- 51:36Speaker 1: not there anymore. I moved. I haven't had it installed again.
- 51:40Speaker 1: You guys are just setting these up, these pop cultures
- 51:43Speaker 1: up for me just to transition right in. Because that's
- 51:46Speaker 1: what you're doing. I just make my job so much easier.
- 51:51Speaker 1: Minds the strobe lights every once a while, Laura I says,
- 51:55Speaker 1: now I know you would rather sit through Endless Love
- 51:58Speaker 1: then be a part of this scene again when she's
- 52:00Speaker 1: talking to Christopher about the debut Tom Ball So Endless
- 52:03Speaker 1: Love American romantic drama film starring Brookshields and Martin Hewitt Um.
- 52:07Speaker 1: This is the movie debut for Tom Cruise and Tom
- 52:10Speaker 1: Cruise is very brief appearance in this movie is critical
- 52:14Speaker 1: to the movie's plot m hm. And during the sexy
- 52:21Speaker 1: love making scene the not very the director squeeze brookshields
- 52:26Speaker 1: big toe off camera to provoke a reaction that would
- 52:29Speaker 1: look like she was having a good time. Wink wink um.
- 52:32Speaker 1: Terry Shields was very protective of her daughter, always keeping
- 52:35Speaker 1: near and she appears as one of the nurses in
- 52:37Speaker 1: the mental hospital. And the film was also noted to
- 52:41Speaker 1: have one of the most spectacular one man stunt displays
- 52:43Speaker 1: when Hugh Butterfield gets hit by a car in New
- 52:46Speaker 1: York City and goes feed over feet over head, feet
- 52:48Speaker 1: over feet, head over feet, girl, head over feet, there
- 52:52Speaker 1: we go mass overt coot wait Riley was this also
- 52:58Speaker 1: the movie with Iron zerring or am I sing that up?
- 53:00Speaker 1: And that's a different movie that we're talking about this week.
- 53:03Speaker 1: So it was rumored and I double checked and iron
- 53:06Speaker 1: Zering did have something else previously, but he was in this.
- 53:09Speaker 1: He was it wasn't his debut and I was there,
- 53:12Speaker 1: but it wasn't Steve Sanders. Iron Zering was also an
- 53:15Speaker 1: Endless Love crazy. Has anyone in this group ever seen
- 53:19Speaker 1: Endless Love? Who's in it? Brook Shields? It was like
- 53:23Speaker 1: a big brook Shields movie. It was not where she
- 53:26Speaker 1: gets on the island with Christopher Atkins. I know that. Yeah,
- 53:31Speaker 1: I didn't see that one either. Uh, Endless Love. There's
- 53:34Speaker 1: a big song associated with that. Hello. Yeah and all right,
- 53:39Speaker 1: all right, yeah I used to drive by his house
- 53:41Speaker 1: every day. Oh my god, I love him so much. Alright. Um,
- 53:46Speaker 1: so Rory asked Laura life know, I don't. I didn't
- 53:52Speaker 1: watch brook Shields movies. I didn't watch Endless Love. And
- 53:58Speaker 1: actually it's gonna come out with on YouTube. There's gonna
- 54:01Speaker 1: be people gonna go back get archival footage of me
- 54:03Speaker 1: weeping with a box of tissues down of the slap
- 54:05Speaker 1: right in my tuxedo. No, it didn't happen. I just
- 54:10Speaker 1: not just not really excited. Interrupted. Um I'm very excited
- 54:16Speaker 1: for this one. We're going back to to the top.
- 54:19Speaker 1: Laura Lee says, we didn't know we were walking in
- 54:21Speaker 1: on The Lion King without the puppet heads when they
- 54:23Speaker 1: walk in on. Emily and Richard and The Lion King
- 54:25Speaker 1: is American animated musical film, as well as a very
- 54:28Speaker 1: successful Broadway play starting in. The show features over two
- 54:32Speaker 1: hundred puppets, and it took over thirty seven thousand hours
- 54:35Speaker 1: to create the show's puppets and masks for the film.
- 54:39Speaker 1: The actual animated film, Frank Welker provided all the lion roarers.
- 54:43Speaker 1: Not a single recording of an actual lion roaring was
- 54:46Speaker 1: used because the producers wanted specific sounding roars to each lion.
- 54:50Speaker 1: Final fact wrapping this out, Jonathan Taylor Thomas voiced the
- 54:54Speaker 1: character of young Simba moving on Laura Line, Christopher sit
- 54:59Speaker 1: in his new car, are and more Lisas. George Lucas
- 55:01Speaker 1: wishes he had this sound system. George Walton Lucas Jr.
- 55:05Speaker 1: Is American film director, producer, screenwriter, and entrepreneur. George Lucas
- 55:09Speaker 1: is most known for creating Star Wars and to assure
- 55:12Speaker 1: the proper presentation of his work, lucasfilm Mr. Lucas's production
- 55:15Speaker 1: company created THX for the Perfect Sound and Video um.
- 55:20Speaker 1: George Lucas's dog was a major influence on his work.
- 55:23Speaker 1: The dog's name, Indiana, became the name of Harrison Ford's
- 55:26Speaker 1: character in the Any R. Jones series, and the look
- 55:29Speaker 1: of Chewbacca, Han Solo's faithful sidekick in the Star Wars
- 55:33Speaker 1: series was based on Lucas's dog as well. That George
- 55:36Speaker 1: Lucas he just keeping it real. Rory is trying to
- 55:42Speaker 1: convince Dean into coming to the ball. As Amy continues,
- 55:48Speaker 1: Rory says, remember that I'll be watching battle Boats with
- 55:51Speaker 1: you for a month, which Amy also referenced earlier. Battle
- 55:55Speaker 1: Bots is American robot combat television series. Comedy Central's first
- 55:59Speaker 1: season premiered in two thousand and it's fifth and last
- 56:02Speaker 1: season ended in two thousand two. The bots can way
- 56:04Speaker 1: up two or fifty pounds, and battle Bots still exist today,
- 56:07Speaker 1: and the world championship was held in Las Vegas this year.
- 56:11Speaker 1: We're seeing it now Chicago. Dean is gone and we
- 56:15Speaker 1: have stars hollows. He's fully fully stars hollowed. Yes, Rory
- 56:22Speaker 1: is chatting with the other debutant as she gets ready
- 56:24Speaker 1: and Rory says it could be a real circus kind
- 56:27Speaker 1: of night. San Canadian entertainment company and as largest contemporary
- 56:32Speaker 1: circus producer in the world. Some costume pieces and circles
- 56:36Speaker 1: oh are made out of shower curtains, and one traveling
- 56:39Speaker 1: show uses fifteen semi trucks for transportation of equipment. Many
- 56:43Speaker 1: Olympians actually go on to be part of the different shows,
- 56:45Speaker 1: whether it's synchronized swimming or gymnastics and circus. Lay has
- 56:50Speaker 1: also incorporated shows from Michael Jackson and the Beatles. You know,
- 56:53Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones use more trucks than that, these forty trucks,
- 56:57Speaker 1: fifty trucks one day tour. Yeah, I also feel like
- 57:00Speaker 1: Riley say, so you're really going to do? But that's it?
- 57:06Speaker 1: Is it? Duck? I don't know do Rorygine and Lena
- 57:12Speaker 1: are watching TV on the couch and lower Lias. Neil
- 57:14Speaker 1: Young has got a thing on you? Got nothing on you? Sorry,
- 57:18Speaker 1: my bad. Neil Young has got nothing that would be
- 57:20Speaker 1: a different meaning, how dare you has a thing on you?
- 57:23Speaker 1: What piece of information? Maybe? Neil Young is a Canadian
- 57:29Speaker 1: American singer, songwriter, musician, and activists. Neil is widely regarded
- 57:33Speaker 1: as the godfather of grunge, in part due to his
- 57:35Speaker 1: pioneering use of feedback and distortion, not to mention his
- 57:38Speaker 1: love for flannel shirts. Oh yes, Neil has offered one
- 57:44Speaker 1: million dollars to headline Woodstock at ninety four, but turned
- 57:47Speaker 1: it down for the best becoming too commercial. What am
- 57:51Speaker 1: I playing right now? Neil Young song? Now? Want to so?
- 58:00Speaker 1: I wasn't dinner last Friday, and I learned that Neil
- 58:02Speaker 1: Young is married to Darrell Hannah. I had no idea,
- 58:07Speaker 1: no idea for a while. Yeah, they're making it work.
- 58:16Speaker 1: Laura I tells Rory she's lucky to have someone to
- 58:18Speaker 1: complain to. After seeing Luke and Jess argue, Laura said,
- 58:22Speaker 1: Laura I says, oh, check you kill me. Checky Green
- 58:25Speaker 1: born Fred Sheldon Greenfield is an American comedian. Checky was
- 58:29Speaker 1: well medicated when he crashed his Oldsmobile into the Caesar's
- 58:33Speaker 1: Palace fountains. As his car was drenched under geishers of water,
- 58:37Speaker 1: Shacky merely turned to the windshield turned on the windshield wipers.
- 58:41Speaker 1: When the cops arrived, he rolled down his window and asked,
- 58:43Speaker 1: what no spray wax. Shacky's passion for horse racing a
- 58:47Speaker 1: horse named Shacky Green was the front runner in nineteen
- 58:50Speaker 1: seventy three Kentucky Derby. Fascinating name a horse? Check Green?
- 58:57Speaker 1: Okay wow uh. Rory tells Lorela she talked to Emily
- 59:03Speaker 1: and she's going to be a debutante. Lorelie says Roy.
- 59:06Speaker 1: That's like accepting the position as the drummer in Spinal Tap.
- 59:09Speaker 1: This is Spinal Tap, American mockumentary film co written and
- 59:14Speaker 1: directed by Rob Reiner in his directorial debut, I did
- 59:18Speaker 1: a recording with the original drummer, the drummer and spinal
- 59:22Speaker 1: taps his name, Rick Something, British guy, fan, fabulous drummer,
- 59:27Speaker 1: who's the jam with him every Sunday night at the
- 59:29Speaker 1: Kiddet's room and Cancer Stallion. It's pretty cool in Hollywood.
- 59:35Speaker 1: You what's his name? Rick? What's his name? Rick? Look
- 59:37Speaker 1: it up cast of spinal Tap. Rick Something, just a
- 59:43Speaker 1: fabulous doing it drummer. I did. I did like three
- 59:47Speaker 1: or four songs with him back in the night. Now,
- 59:49Speaker 1: Rick Parnell, Yes, Jerry, that was the name of the guy.
- 59:56Speaker 1: Don't don't, I didn't look it up. Don't play baby
- 1:00:00Speaker 1: in the Corner's dad? Oh, thank you? Laura, Emily and
- 1:00:05Speaker 1: Laura la Are talking about the deb tom Paul, Laura
- 1:00:07Speaker 1: la I says, I'm still convince she had something to
- 1:00:09Speaker 1: do with Lily Tomlin doing that movie with Tronda John Travolta,
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: which with this one, Yes, this is the movie Moment
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: by Moment, n American romantic drama film written and directed
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: by Jane Wagner and Starry Lilily Tomlin and John Travolta
- 1:00:24Speaker 1: is widely considered a catastrophe, catastrophe of a film history,
- 1:00:28Speaker 1: and has been blamed for nearly sinking the movie claters
- 1:00:33Speaker 1: assisted until this what's her name of the movie? Who's
- 1:00:38Speaker 1: the movie? Moment by Moment and Travolta and Tomlin together,
- 1:00:43Speaker 1: Was it a rom romantic thing? Or yes? The movies
- 1:00:46Speaker 1: like she lives in some town and he's the young
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: sort of never do well. I don't know, and then
- 1:00:54Speaker 1: right right they have a play and it almost ruined
- 1:00:59Speaker 1: both their rors before they get off the ground. You
- 1:01:01Speaker 1: can find that thing on story. How are you going
- 1:01:03Speaker 1: to ruin the career of a Lily Tomlin? She's hysterically
- 1:01:06Speaker 1: funny and brilliant. You can't ruin her career with a B. Yeah.
- 1:01:12Speaker 1: But but but there's so many other avenues that she
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: can take. I mean, she's a comedian, right, she's a
- 1:01:19Speaker 1: she's a comedic actress, and she's okay after this, But
- 1:01:22Speaker 1: who even did this movie existing? Did Lily Tomlin do
- 1:01:25Speaker 1: stand up? Probably? Yeah, But I mean she's this genius,
- 1:01:30Speaker 1: incredible shrinking woman nine to five and now, Grayson Frankie
- 1:01:33Speaker 1: love Lily Tomlin. One ring a danging toe ring a
- 1:01:38Speaker 1: dang it. Hear me in that chair on electric That
- 1:01:44Speaker 1: was scary with a huge chair, little girl, an incredible
- 1:01:48Speaker 1: shrinking woman. Fully breaked me out, fully creaked me out,
- 1:01:52Speaker 1: but she's still danking. Grayson Frankie. If you haven't watched it,
- 1:01:56Speaker 1: Netflix it right now. Have to gilmore girls, Grayson Frankie. Really,
- 1:02:01Speaker 1: this episode was probably one of our best ever. Probably
- 1:02:04Speaker 1: twenty minutes too long, but still real good guys. You
- 1:02:08Speaker 1: can't cut anything out. It's it's like there are different
- 1:02:14Speaker 1: forms of gold. Right. Yeah, this is like a Bonzie one.
- 1:02:25Speaker 1: But I do feel like we're all all on her
- 1:02:27Speaker 1: game today. All right, So that's it. What are we
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: watching next? We have episode seven like Mother Like Daughter,
- 1:02:41Speaker 1: No great job, guys, huh, we're back. We have a
- 1:02:44Speaker 1: starting right fielder back from the Dane really contributed and
- 1:02:48Speaker 1: we missed her when she's not here anyway, everybody, thank
- 1:02:51Speaker 1: you so much, best fans in the world. Uh, and
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: I want to thank my my ball club here, Danielle
- 1:02:59Speaker 1: Romo right field shotgun, arm Riley pelusis shortstop Amy, Amy Sugarman.
- 1:03:09Speaker 1: She's my battery mate. She's she's, she's calling the pitches.
- 1:03:12Speaker 1: I'm throwing the pitches. You know. She's, she's, she's, she's
- 1:03:15Speaker 1: Johnny to the Johnny Bench of podcasts. Okay, there you go.
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