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Sex, lies & video: Murderous Colorado dad Chris Watts & his mistress · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Stay with us for a two hour special on the
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  Speaker 1: recently discovered video and audio regarding the death of Nane
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  Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste and killer Dad Chris Watts. I really
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  Speaker 1: want to help you. Guys. I do. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm this whole thing is just going to be crazy,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of whether I give you my phone or not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of how I look at it,
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  Speaker 1: like it's happening. It's gonna happen all along, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not like, well they do. That's the other thing too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of a good backup. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: think you hit the nail right on the head. There's
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  Speaker 1: reasons why we want everything. UM invalidates things that we know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna come out and tell you did. If
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  Speaker 1: you telling me something to date, we'll validate it with
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  Speaker 1: your text messages, whether it's the ones we have no
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  Speaker 1: or the ones you're going to give us. Certainly, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not looking at anything else except for the conversations between
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  Speaker 1: you and Chris Watts and the phone data between you
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  Speaker 1: and Chris Watts phone for times and dates for those
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  Speaker 1: phone calls, UM, and then the content of the text
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  Speaker 1: messages that are there, and we can will write that
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  Speaker 1: specifically down here. Understand that I don't want anybody to
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  Speaker 1: get some of those texts like they have nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with those days and they're just like between you
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  Speaker 1: and Chris. Yes, they're just they're just so just tell
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  Speaker 1: me what you're They're just kind of raunchy. Okay, we'll
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  Speaker 1: need anybody. Everybody's an adults. We're not going to sound
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  Speaker 1: where I don't need. I don't want the ones papers
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  Speaker 1: to get that, That's all I want. But the only
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  Speaker 1: ones that we would be looking for again is the
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  Speaker 1: same kind of questions we're getting to here is things
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  Speaker 1: about his children, things about his wife, the questioning of
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  Speaker 1: did her you know, as he ever said something to
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  Speaker 1: you that might indicate maybe not then, but now that
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  Speaker 1: there was something like this in his mind or you
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  Speaker 1: know what we're looking for. I don't need to come
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  Speaker 1: out and tell you that you are hearing the alleged
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  Speaker 1: mistress of killer Dad Chris Watts. And even in light
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  Speaker 1: of the fact that his wife, his pregnant wife, and
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  Speaker 1: two little girls were found dead, the moms Shenan Watts,
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  Speaker 1: buried in a shallow gray the two little girls found
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  Speaker 1: in that's of oil. As a matter of fact, there
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  Speaker 1: are reports the two little girls had to be airlifted
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  Speaker 1: in separate planes because their bodies were deemed quote combustible
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  Speaker 1: and they couldn't both be on one plane, trying to
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  Speaker 1: confirm that she's still whining about how she doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to hand over her cell phone to investigators because there
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  Speaker 1: are quote raunchy checks. I mean, please, I've even told
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  Speaker 1: my eleven year old twins unless you want it on
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  Speaker 1: page six to the New York Post, do not put
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  Speaker 1: it in writing, and really don't even say it. If
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  Speaker 1: it's something you're ashamed of or something you don't repeat it,
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  Speaker 1: just don't say it for Pete's sake. And she is
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  Speaker 1: impeding a homicide investigation because she doesn't want the world
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  Speaker 1: to see her raunchy text like I care about her
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  Speaker 1: raunchy texts. Well. In the end, she did not impede
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. She handed over the phone. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Now we are learning disturbing video
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  Speaker 1: surveillance from Chris Watts, the killer dad next to her
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  Speaker 1: neighbor shows him sweating profusely as he packed his vehicle
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  Speaker 1: we now believe packing his wife and two little girl's
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  Speaker 1: bodies in that car, and chilling moments reveal a carefree,
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  Speaker 1: calm cool collector Chris Watts picking up a breakfast roll
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  Speaker 1: just after dumping his daughter's body, and a shallow grave
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  Speaker 1: and oil tanks. I mean, see, Grace, this is crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us this morning. I still
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  Speaker 1: don't understand why the state did not seek the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty in this case. Joining me right now, Askle Wilcot,
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  Speaker 1: juvenile judge, lawyer, founder child Crime Watch on Facebook and
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  Speaker 1: asked Wilcot dot com and with me private eye Vincent Hill,
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  Speaker 1: author of playbook to a Murder on Amazon and creator
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  Speaker 1: of a podcast, Fall of a Titan. Susan Constantine, renowned
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  Speaker 1: deception and body language expert. But now to Crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Ellen Kilauren, Ellen, is it true
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  Speaker 1: what we are learning about the next Door Neighbors surveillance video?
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  Speaker 1: And let me back it up? Is it true the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors flew went to go meet with the victim, Shenan Watts,
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  Speaker 1: his parents and basically convinced them not to seek the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty, saying, oh, you know, it'll take years and
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  Speaker 1: years to implement, and you don't know if he'll really
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  Speaker 1: get it, and even if he sentenced to death, it
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  Speaker 1: may not ever happen. What do you know, Ellen, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's true that investigators and members of the defense team
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  Speaker 1: did meet with the parents of Shannon Watts, and they
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  Speaker 1: did have discussions about whether they could forego the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty on this and I do think that one of
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  Speaker 1: the factors was, let's not have a trial. Let's accept
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  Speaker 1: the guilty plee and the terms of that plea agreement,
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  Speaker 1: so that the family doesn't have to go through a trial,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a chance that if it does go to trial,
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  Speaker 1: he won't get the death penalty anyway. This way, at
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  Speaker 1: least we know he'll be behind bars for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of his life. To Ashley Willcott June I'll judge lawyer
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot Com. Ashley, it's not jun Anne Watts.
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  Speaker 1: It's the two juveniles in this case, the little children,
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  Speaker 1: Bell and Celeste. I mean, I'm not getting into a
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  Speaker 1: discussion of death penalty. Yes, no, it's good, it's bad.
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  Speaker 1: But if they're if you're going to have the death penalty,
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  Speaker 1: I would think this would be the case to do it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Ashley Wilcott? Now, I completely agree.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really torn in this case. I understand from the
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  Speaker 1: victim's perspective and the family's perspective. Listen, it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: They have to wait to go through a trial, to
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  Speaker 1: not know what the verdict's going to be, to not
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  Speaker 1: know whether or not jury is going to decide death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: But of all cases where it's probably warranted. But that's
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  Speaker 1: true in every case you go to trial with. But
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's significant that in this particular case,
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  Speaker 1: the family said, Okay, it may be better to go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and take it off the table, and let's go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and resolve it now and not have to go
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  Speaker 1: to trial. But listen, when I think of these victims,
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  Speaker 1: and not only the three year old, four year old,
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  Speaker 1: the wife, and the wife was pregnant Nancy, let's not
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  Speaker 1: forget that it is absolutely the kind of case that
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  Speaker 1: I believe the death penalty should be considered. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: also know that Nan wants put up quite the struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Her autopsy reports have been released along with that of
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  Speaker 1: the two little girls, Bella and Celeste. All three victims
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  Speaker 1: died of asphyxiation. Shenan was brutally strangled with scratch marks
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  Speaker 1: all over her neck. Also, we learned that she had
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  Speaker 1: patterned abrasions on her neck and the left side of
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  Speaker 1: her face and on her body. So she was beaten.
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  Speaker 1: She tried to live. She was beaten in the face,
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  Speaker 1: killing her an unborn baby boy, Nico. The two girls
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  Speaker 1: were smothered according to the autopsy report. But let's backtrack
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  Speaker 1: in a moment. I'm going to go to deception and
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  Speaker 1: body language experts Susan Constantine Vincent Hill on the video
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  Speaker 1: of the next door neighbor that shows him sweating profusely,
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  Speaker 1: then coming to the neighbors having never really had full
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  Speaker 1: blown conversations with them, and telling them over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over three times as a matter of fact, what
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  Speaker 1: he was packing up in his car that day. That's odd.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I would go tell my neighbor, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know in your surveillance video where you see me
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  Speaker 1: putting those trunks in the car, that those are our
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  Speaker 1: bags to go on vacation. That's a whole other cannon.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at. Let's take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend the mistress that finally comes forward
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  Speaker 1: two days after Schnie's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles.
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  Speaker 1: Listen on Tuesday, which would have been the fourteenth to August,
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  Speaker 1: you had read some newspaper were articles on the thirteenth
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  Speaker 1: and the fourteenth regarded this case. You had also had
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  Speaker 1: a conversation with Chris at some point during the day
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  Speaker 1: on Monday and on Tuesday because of what you found. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: what you said was, and I don't let me put
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  Speaker 1: words in your mouth, but you found out that his
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  Speaker 1: life whispering, and I yes, and you did not know
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  Speaker 1: that prior, and you found that out via the newspaper articles,
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  Speaker 1: and that caused you concern. Well, I just realized that
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  Speaker 1: he was lying to me, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if you can lie to me about this, what else
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  Speaker 1: do you lying to me about? And it made me
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  Speaker 1: realize that maybe his wife was in danger at that point,
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  Speaker 1: and it was day two two and she still wasn't home.
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  Speaker 1: What did that cause you to do with your phone? Though?
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  Speaker 1: Oh what? When I deleted those I was just kind
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  Speaker 1: of grossed out by him, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: right now, but you just lied to me, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to see this come over my phone anymore,
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  Speaker 1: so I removed it. So you just you already said,
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  Speaker 1: but you remove text messages. I deleted all of his
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  Speaker 1: stuff because he lied to me. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 1: it was it was. It was the hurt that made
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  Speaker 1: me delete it, and then it was the lie that
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  Speaker 1: made me start questioning everything else you'd been telling me
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  Speaker 1: and restrictions do apply. There's times like I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to help him find an apartment, like just for him,
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  Speaker 1: not for me, but for him and his kids to
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  Speaker 1: get set up. And like there's times where I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: where's your wife moving to? Like how close is she
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  Speaker 1: gonna be to you? You should be within like thirty
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  Speaker 1: minutes to your kids so they're close, and like you
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  Speaker 1: want to their school and close to your gym, and
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  Speaker 1: like what's your price range? Like I was helping him
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  Speaker 1: get all of this stuff set up, and it was
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  Speaker 1: like in a very decent manner. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if all of that is in text. Some of it's
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  Speaker 1: probably on the phone. Like at this point, I've talked
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  Speaker 1: to him so much that I don't even know which
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  Speaker 1: parts are like wise and which parts are texted at
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  Speaker 1: this point. But we can figure it out. Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: are hearing the voice on Nicole Cassenger kill her dad.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Watts is a mistress during this time. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: right now in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill, Ashley Wilcott.
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  Speaker 1: Also with me is Ellen Kilaura and Crime online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and isn't
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  Speaker 1: it TRUSI has some very unusual computer searches as well. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly right, Nancy, and the computer searches are what
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  Speaker 1: I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in her
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  Speaker 1: discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship with
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  Speaker 1: Chris as one where he was more serious about her
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  Speaker 1: than she was about him. She says repeatedly she encouraged
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  Speaker 1: him to try and save his marriage. She says he
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  Speaker 1: has such a beautiful family, Why not hold on to this,
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  Speaker 1: this beautiful home. She says repeatedly that she encouraged him
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  Speaker 1: to stay married and work on his marriage. But one
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  Speaker 1: there was a data review of her phone. It looks
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  Speaker 1: like maybe there there is some inconsistencies. She had spent
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  Speaker 1: two hours online, um of doing a Google search for
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  Speaker 1: wedding dresses. Um? She Why is this the same woman
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  Speaker 1: that searched for anal sex preparation? That is correct? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's funny how you gloss over the hard
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  Speaker 1: parts and you make me sam okay. In addition to
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  Speaker 1: the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has to
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  Speaker 1: blurt out the anal sex searches. Thanks Ellen. What else
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  Speaker 1: did we find on her searches? Um? She definitely? Um,
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  Speaker 1: she did a search related to term marying your mistress?
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  Speaker 1: What what? What? What did you say? She did it?
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  Speaker 1: She did a Google search term search of terms related
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  Speaker 1: to the phrase of marrying your mistress? Is it sure?
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  Speaker 1: She did a search on how much she can make
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  Speaker 1: if she wrote a book like Amber Fry. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it was specifically how much can I make
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  Speaker 1: if I write a book? But she absolutely was interested
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  Speaker 1: in she did google searches on Amber Fry and her
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  Speaker 1: book dealing Oh her. Okay, let me remind everybody who
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  Speaker 1: was Amber Fry. Amber Fry I now consider to be
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  Speaker 1: a friend, a colleague. Amber Fry was the mistress of
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson. Amber Fry did not know Scott Peterson was
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  Speaker 1: married to a pregnant woman. Amber Fry then cooperated completely
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  Speaker 1: with police and actually caught Scott Peterson in damning cell
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  Speaker 1: phone conversations, wire tapping him and as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: there was a fear that Peterson would come kill her,
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  Speaker 1: but she stuck it out and she was a star
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  Speaker 1: witness at the trial. It turned everything around into Scott
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  Speaker 1: Peterson prosecution and the murder of his pregnant wife Lacy
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  Speaker 1: and their unborn child Connor. So you know here you
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  Speaker 1: here Nicole Kessinger going wow, I don't want you to
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  Speaker 1: find out to release my raunchy text and before I
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  Speaker 1: put it out there and completely cooperated with police. She
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  Speaker 1: volunteered to cooperate with police and was a star witness.
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  Speaker 1: She then later wrote a book and I hope she
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  Speaker 1: made a lot of money off that book. God bless
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  Speaker 1: her to Susan Constantine deception body language expert. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've got to give it to Nicole Cassinger. Without her cooperation,
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  Speaker 1: this case may not have cracked the way that it did.
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  Speaker 1: But according to Ellen Klorin, there's a lot of inconsistencies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of inconsistencies. And the thing is
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  Speaker 1: is that it needs they need to go back and
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  Speaker 1: be able to verify the information that she's given them.
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  Speaker 1: But for overall, you know, when I'm listening to her, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of truth in what she's saying. So
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  Speaker 1: the issue was hard to come over. It's her lack
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  Speaker 1: of emotion. You know, her emotion aspect is just completely off.
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  Speaker 1: She's a very cavalier. Her tone of her voice is
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  Speaker 1: really off putting, and so she really sets herself up
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  Speaker 1: for people to really scrutinize her because her personality is
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  Speaker 1: shining through about how she you know, how she sees
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  Speaker 1: the entire situation and she how detached that she is.
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  Speaker 1: The part that bothers me the most is that she's
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  Speaker 1: trying to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in, I'm the savior,
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  Speaker 1: work things out with your wife, But yet she's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like pushing them away. But then kind of motioning
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  Speaker 1: to come closer. So she's she's very manipulative. So I
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  Speaker 1: would say for the investigators, they really need to tie
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  Speaker 1: this up and then then look for congruencies or incongruencies
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  Speaker 1: or what she's saying and what she does. That's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the key. We also know to cop term
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  Speaker 1: private Eye, author a playbook to a murder creator off
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  Speaker 1: podcast Fall of a Tight Vincent He'll Vincent. We also
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  Speaker 1: know that just before her murder, Shenanne Watt was actually
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  Speaker 1: online trying to find cheap, affordable weekend getaways to patch
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  Speaker 1: up her marriage with Chris Watts. Well, hold on, Vincent,
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  Speaker 1: I've got to get a woman's viewpoint, as she Wilcot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel so bad for her. She's pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: she's got the two girls, she started this new job,
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  Speaker 1: she's traveling all the time, you know, and if she's
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  Speaker 1: looking up online how to find a weekend getaway that
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  Speaker 1: she could afford for this piece of crap. Chris Watts,
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  Speaker 1: the husband who's we know, having the affair with Nicole Cassenger,
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  Speaker 1: apparently having another affair with another woman, and they're like
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  Speaker 1: in all this kinky sex play, role play acting and
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  Speaker 1: here she is online trying to put together their marriage
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  Speaker 1: and plan a sexy weekend getaway. She was shanghaied by
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: this criminal. And what amazes me, You don't know, Nancy,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I've heard of so many women who are in this situation.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: She was the breadwinner, she was busting it, she was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: caring for her children, she was taking care of the house,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and yet she was still focused on him. The other
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: thing I want to say to all ladies listening, trust
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: your gut, because I can tell you right now I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: suspect the reason she did that is because she might
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: have had a gut feeling that things were amiss in
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the marriage. It does not mean she deserved anything that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: happened to her, but it does mean trust your gut.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And instead of saying, hey, let's get a sexy getaway
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: for this to try to fix it or repair it,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: look at the marriage and see what that person's really
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: doing in the marriage. Well should take a listen to this.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: At one point he told me that they sat down
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and they talked about it, and he told her that
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: he wanted to either fix things or like to try
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to fix things, and if she didn't want to fix them,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: then they needed to move forward with the separation and
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like actually file for a divorce at this point was
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the impression that I got from this and was what
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he told me. And so he said that she was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: like pretty receptive to just not trying. He was like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: she seemed like she just wants me to go. He's like,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: when she has her mind made up, she has her
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: mind made up and that's what she wants. And he's like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to try anymore. And he's like, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: neither do I really, and he was like it's done,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and he's like um. And then the next day, I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: don't even know what daisies were. Sometime when he was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: out there, he told me we're putting the house up
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: for sale as soon as we get back. And I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: was like, well that was quick, and he was like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it's her. She's ready to go, and I was like, okay.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: It's the dramatic moment cops confront Chris wats mistress after
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a new life with her. Why would you why your
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: family to The just release video shows thirty year old
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Nicole kessing Or being interrogated anything never anything about his
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: kids being a problem or anything about his wife. Never.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: This shocked me just as much as I think get
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: shocked the world. She breaks down sobbing over the gruesome
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fate of the children, four year old Bella and three
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: year old Celeste. Ah, he's so disgusting. I'm so ashamed
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of him. Why why, why why how? I don't even
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: understand how you could like bring yourself to do that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: somebody who's like that. Bit you are hearing girlfriend Nicole Cassenger,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and you were hearing our friend at Inside Edition, Jim Murray,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, Deception of Body Language expert. What do you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: make of that where Nicole Cassenger or the mistress breaks
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: down in tears? Well, it came on very sudden, So
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing that I look for, and also
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: how quickly she recovers after it. So that's what I'm
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: looking at, is that it's not unusual for someone just
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to break down. But when you listen to her voice,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: there is there. I'm listening for these kind of breaks
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: or positive than the voice, but I'm not really hearing that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that she does not feel that way.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I think that she does. But what bothers me the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: most is how quickly the onset of that emotion was
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and then how quick it ended. That bothers me, because
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: there should be remnants of it throughout it. Once she
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: has finished making that statement, you should still hear her
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: voice still cracking up afterwards. So even though she's emotionally upset,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: she quickly gets over it awfully fast. That's suspicious to me.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: To Ellen Klaurain, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: mentioned inconsistencies. What other inconsistencies have you discovered, because I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: think not only was she genuinely upset about the best
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of the deaths of Bell n Celeste, but also was
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: distancing herself because if she had known anything about this
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: murder plot, she would have been roped in doing jail
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: time right now, yah yu. One thing that I want
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to make clear is that even though there are some
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: inconsistencies in her story, it's also very clear that Chris
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Wats lied to her. She did not know Shannon Watts
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: was pregnant, and he told her that Shannon was ritting
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: ready to leave the marriage, when that is one percent
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: not true. We see that. However, there's one other instance
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of the interrogation when Nicole tells police that she never
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: told any of her friends or anyone about her relationship
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: with Chris because it was very early on and he
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: was still, you know, working through a separation. But that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: ended up not being the case. She did have a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: text message exchange with a girlfriend about her relationship with Chris,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but and she called investigators the next day and told
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: them that Joining me right now from Radar online dot
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Com is Alexis Terreschuk, investigative reporter. In the last hours,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Radar online dot Com has managed to get a hold
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of and watch that neighbors surveillance video from just twenty
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: four hours before his arrest goes down. Alexa's arrest show,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Please tell me how
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you guys manage to get ahold of the neighbors surveillance
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: video and what does it show. So we had to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: file a FOIA request with the County Well Kelly in Colorado.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: They have you do you just ran through that okay
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for your Freedom of Information Act FOIA, which means if
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's a public record or some other types of records,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes you can file this, especially the pressed or really
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: anyone an individual can file them advocacy groups that claim
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: their advocacy groups anyway, are constantly filing for your requests.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I used to have to file them with a Federal
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Trade Commission. But long story short, then a judge reviews
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: your request and if it's appropriate, you get the document.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So you guys at Radar online dot Com filed the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Foyer request. Okay, then what happened? So then the world
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Kenny District Attorney is releasing these things. They're releasing them
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to us, and the videos are shocking. I don't know
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you have. I've watched your you for years and covering things.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: These are some really intense crime videos. This is exactly
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: what the police used to help talk to Chris and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to have him finally conne What are you on a
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: first name basis with him? What have y'all gone out
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and had high tea at the plaza? Chris? Are you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: talking about killer Dad Chris Watts? I am okay. I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: didn't know you two were tied, but go ahead. What
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: are you and Chris and Nicole hanging out at the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Sonic or something? What? Yeah? I am maybe one of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the many one of the only women that he did
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: not Yeah, he's done his wife with I'm with you
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on that. So what did you So you file the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: foyer request, you get the neighbors surveillance video show. So
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: what it shows is Chris is watching what happens, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you know, and so it's from the neighbor's front door
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and you can see the Watts house, so you don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: actually see her come home. What you see is Chris
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: backing up his truck and he backs it into the driveway,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and then you see him move in and out and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: in and out and in and out. And what you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: can't tell is what he specifically has. But what we
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: learned is what he has. He has his wife's body,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: he has his daughter celess body, and he has his
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: daughter Fella's body, and he's putting all of the bodies
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: into the truck and then he drives away with the truck.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: He doesn't even look concerned. He's not looking around and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: make sure nobody's looking at him. He's not hurrying, he's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: not dropping things, he's not hysterical. He is so calm
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and methodical, just as if he was loading a lunchbox
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in the car. And then after that we find out
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: yet we find out um alexis Tourez Chuck Radar online
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: dot Com that after that he goes out and has
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a breakfast roll and just chile axis. I wish I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: had time to go get a breakfast roll. But this
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is after he's just loaded his wife and two little
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: girl's body into the vehicle and buries his wife in
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a shallow grave, dumps his two little girls, and that's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of oil where he works at Anna Darko Alexis. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: also learned, and I'm trying to confirm this, that the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: two little girls bodies had to be transported in two
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: separate airplanes because they were deemed they were so full
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: of oil and had soaked up so much oil van
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: were actually combustible. Do you know that I have heard
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that that is the case, and I have heard it,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if your readers as were so
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: shocked to know, and I don't know if you know this.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: When those little girls were brought out of that tank,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they'd been in there for three days, they had skin slippage,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: which meant that so they grabbed a little girl's arm
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to pull her out of the oil tank, and her hand,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: her skin came off her hand. This little girl's body
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: was nothing after her father shoved her through an eight
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: inch hole. One of them had scratches on her behind,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and there was a tuft of blond hair that was
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: stuck in the entrance of this oil tank when her
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: dad shoved her in there. Alexis, I did not know that,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and I hardly even know how to respond to that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You're saying the the oil tank or container opening was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: eight inches in circumference. Yep, that's it. Eight inches, So
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: we had to shove their bodies in an opening that
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: was eight inches wide. And the police even said him,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: they did you know at the smallest part of these
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: girls they were maybe nine inches And he said, yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: they sit in there. They said, did you have to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: shove them in there? He said no, not at all.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But he was lying, as he lied the entire time,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: because his daughter's body had scraped all down the side
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: on her bottom because when he shoved her in there,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: she scraped against the side of it. Oh man, you know, Alexis,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I remember like it was yesterday when you had your
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: baby boy and you were with me, talked all the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: time when I was pregnant and about to give birth
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to the twins. I cannot even imagine. It just really
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: has thrown me off. I didn't know that fact you
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: just told me. In fact, it's completely thrown me off.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: What was I asking you before you told me that? Oh?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I was asking about the two separate flights for the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: girls because they had their bodies had, you know, soaked
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: up so much oil. I'm still waiting to confirm that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: my daddy is that hero. He helped me grow up, truck,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: he helped me. I'm good too, he leads meet. Butkahosh,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: my daddy, daddy, and love you. Oh you are hearing
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the daughter's Bella and Celeste, beautiful little girls whose bodies
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: were recovered out of oil tankers after dad Chris Watts
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: murdered them following the strangulation death of his wife Shannan.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: In the last hours, we were learning so much more
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and what I don't understand it's why this guy was
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: allowed to take a plea instead of going for the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: death penalty. Now, that was a family decision, but I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: get guarantee you guys, we all know how it works.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: The family is guided by the prosecution. So whatever the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: prosecution thought, they thought it was a safe way to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: not seek the death pelting in this case. Joining me
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: right now, Crime Online dot com, Ellen Klaura and Vincent
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: hill Pi, author of Playbook to a Murder and creator
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of Fall of a Titan podcast Susan Constantine Worldly Now
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: deception and body language expert, and just joining us with
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the breaking news, Alexis Terreschuk with the Radar Online dot com. Now,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of what we are hearing is from a podcast,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: well portions of what we are hearing is from a
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: podcast and yet to be confirmed. The taking two flights
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: with the two separate bodies, and the way the children
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: were put into that oil tanker and the size of
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the opening of the tanker being just eight inches, we
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: have not yet confirmed and are trying to confirm that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: But Alexis Reschuk Radar online dot com, you have confirmed
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: so much, including not just the girlfriend we've been listening to,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Nicole Cassenger, but also some other woman who play these
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: kinky sex games with killer Dad Chris Watts. We have
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: confirmed there was a second mistress, a woman named Amanda
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and her name was secret Altering. Okay, hold on, just
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: my mom and I hate to interrupt you, but let
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: me go to my partner in crime joining me out
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: in La Alan Duke Alo, what's wrong? With men. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: just just a question, I advincent, don't worry you, don't hie,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: because I'm coming to you next. I mean, it's just
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: as my son has created another word, cringey. He's got
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: this gorgeous wife, this beautiful home, two daughters, a son
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: on the way. He's got Nicole Cassenger looking for apartments
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: for him, and it was searching wedding dresses and weird
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: sex acts online. Now there's another woman. What you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: women do this too, so it's not just men. Yeah right,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Look they're not here. Look they are not here. I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: know what that's about. Don't blame the male species. It's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: all right, fine, whatever, blame the devil. Okay, thanks for
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that insight. Back to you, Alexis Terres. Shut. Let me
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: get down to the fact. So there's how did he
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: even have time to work? Have a wife, the children,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the home, the cutting the grass, the blah blah blah,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and two women on the side. It's like he's ordering
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: side dishes for the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll have
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the sweet potato fries on the side for the table.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just got well, how did he do it?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: He managed his time very well. His wife travels don't work.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, he's an expert at time management.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Alexis. I haven't been able to laugh in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: some for at least the last hour. Thank you for that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: He's an expert at time management. Quote Alexis Terrescho Radar
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: dot Com. I'm sure they're so proud of you right now,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Alexis. Well, you know, his wife took their
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: children to both of their parents live in North Carolina,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: so she went for six weeks in the summer with
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: her girls when they were out of school, to stay
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: with his parents and her parents for a vacation. And
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that is when he went wild. He was like a bachelor,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and even his friends had joked with him, and this
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: was this was all or the police report, police report
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that the county has release. The friends sent him a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: text and said, how is your life as a bachelor,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And he lied to his friends and said, oh, you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm just working out. I'm not doing anything else.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He wasn't working out, working out here, working out. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: can make a lot of crew judge right now, but
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not gonna do it. Hold on, ek
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Ellen Colora wants saying she's got some news Crime online
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. What do you know, Ellen, Well,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to note that we can confirm that
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the opening to the tanks that Chris Swaps supped his
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: daughters into was only eight inches wide. Even after he
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: had told investigators where he had disposed of their bodies,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they just almost didn't believe him. They kept asking him
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: over and over again, are you sure? Are you sure?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: How did that work? Because these these openings were so
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: so tiny? And I agree with alexas he is lying
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: as he says that he was able to do that easily. Alexas, Uh,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about him going over to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the neighbors after they've spotted this video? First of all,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: where the neighbors across the street or Caddy cornered to him,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and didn't he go over and started explaining what all
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: he had loaded into his car? He did? He went
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Chris was the most heat prolific shatterbox during this whole
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: three days of his life was missing. So yeah, So
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he goes next door to his neighbors and he tells
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: them because he sees the video and he realizes, I
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: suppose in his mind, I need to justify this way.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: But he's a minute, he sees the video. Did you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: just say he sees the video? Why did he see
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the video? They show it to him because he's pretending
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to look for Chanane and he's pretending that she left
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the house, and he wants to know what. He wanted
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to see, what happened, Where was she who came and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: got her? She leaved with the girls, And instead it
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't show that at all. All it shows was him
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: in the truck. So, according to you and Radar online
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: dot Com, Killer Dad Chris Watts watches the neighbors surveillance
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: video just hours before his arrest, He was sweating and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: panicked and tried to explain his actions. According to Alexis
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Terreschuck Susan Constantine with me deception of body language experts,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, I would think it was the oddest thing
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in the world. I know my neighbors, I know them,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: but I've never had them come to the door and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: start explaining to me what all and do it not
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: once twice, but three times what they were loading into
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: their car? Why? Well, they thought something was suspicious because
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you know your neighbors and their normal behavior. Right, so
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: we know what they normally do on a daily basism.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: When you see something out of think, out of norm,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: you're going to question what that was. So if they
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: saw him sweating, showing a lot of anxiety, going back
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth, is showing that there's something
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: an activity's that's happening at that moment that was different
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: from his norm and they were questioning it because it
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: was off his baseline. Clear of the reason he kept
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: saying he was loading this that the other is because
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he'd do Eventually police were going to talk to the neighbors,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: so they would come out and say, well, yeah, he
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: told me he was loading a box or a blanket
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: or whatever. That's exactly why he did that. Nancy to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: go ahead and set that mindset and his neighbors to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: tell police exactly what he told them. I think jumping
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: into a new relationship is a little quick. It's like
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I was in a relationship earlier this year, and I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: think this is also a little quick. And I'm like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: so why don't we take our time? And I'm like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: if you guys end up doing a week on a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: week off with your kids, I'm like, the weak you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: have your kids be with your children, and the week
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: they don't, I'm like, I don't even want to see
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you every day. I'm like, I think we should spend
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like a few days of that together. I'm like, because
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I like my space and I think you need your space.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I think you need your space to like develop your
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: identity again and like get it back, because I think
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: he's just been like so wrapped up in this whole
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: thing that he's got in his own life and his
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: life that he I mean, he doesn't remember probably what
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's like to like be single or have time where
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: it's like just him. And so I was just like,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you know, like embrace that. It's a beautiful thing, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I really try to like take it smart with all that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: And it was the same thing with his kids. It
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: was just like, you know, like and I and we
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: talk about things every once in a while where you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, if I ever meet you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: because like I have a lot of house plants, it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a good example. So I have a lot of house plants.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And I told I told him I was like, one day,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: if I ever meet your kids, I was like, I'm
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: gonna show these girls how to like paint pottery and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: plants plans. It was like, I think they would love
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to see something grow that they bill. I think it
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: would be really really cute and like little stuff like that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't very frequent. It wasn't hey, we should
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: get married, and hey we should have babies, and hay,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I want to live with the Hey me to meet
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: your children now, and let's cut the mom out. It
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: was never like that. There was never any conversation about,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you know, we can't do this with her around, we
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: can't do this with the kids around. He never said that.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: You never said that. Yeah, maybe they didn't talk about
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the marriage and the moving in because there was a
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: problem his wife, Shenane, the pregnant wife. I'm Nancy Grace.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with part two of a special look at Killer Dad.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Chris watts Man Joining Me Right Now, Ellen Klorin Crime
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Online dot Com. Vincent Hill, private investigator, author playbook to
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: a Murder, Susan Constantine, deception and body language expert in
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Joining Me Right Now, Alexis Terres Chuck Radar Online dot
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Who's just broken. Two new aspects of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: these murders. You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend, Nicole Cassenger.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Were these statements, Alexa to us Chuck before or after
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the bodies were found? Before? Okay, so she didn't yet
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: know that the wife and the children were dead. Okay,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that's a little that alleviates some of this, because I
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: was wondering, how could she talk about all that when
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the bodies had just been recovered. You know. Another aspect
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to this is police were listening to her, but they
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: were probably also looking at her as a potential person
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of interest, potential She did not have anything to do
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: with these murders. Let's just be clear about that. So
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the wife and the children at this point are missing,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and she's just talking as fast as she can. She
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses? Do people
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: quote hate Amber Fry, who Scott Peterson's mistress when Lacy's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: pregnant wife was murdered? How to prepare for anal sex? Oh,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: let's see, there's just so many to choose from. I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: don't really know what to pick first. Alexis to Reschuck,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: his wife and children. Or that he had another mistress.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: You guys have broken a lot in the last hours
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: at Radar online dot com, So bring us up to date,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Alexas to Reschuck. So, I don't think she did know
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that he had another mistress. There was a woman named
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Amanda and she we secretly knew her before her name
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: became public. And she told us that she met Chris
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: on a dating app and they had a really dirty
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: one night stand. She said that he was into he
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to do a rape fantasy, that he choked her
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: out while they had sex, and she loved in the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: right fantasy. Was he the victim or was she the victim?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: He was then, so he was he was the one
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that was raping her in their sex fantasy. That was consensual.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: She said, all that rage, all that hate towards women,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I just okay, go ahead. And she said that she
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: really she had a really good time with it. She
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: thought he was really attractive and it was a really
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: sexy one night stancer. Yeah, so he started cheating on
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: his wife, his pregnant wife, basically the same minute she
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: got pregnant, and then he moved on to not just
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: cheating on her, but having a full born relationship and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a woman who thought they were going to get married.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: This is somebody who he facetimed with this mistress, so
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: he killed his wife and children. Why are you acting
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: so indignant that the mistress thought they were going to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: get married. The mistress knew he was already married. I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: guess she thought he was a Marryan type, that he
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: would just bounce back from one and marry her again.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And so the night that the women went, they sing.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: The first night, I'm sorry the daughters and his wife,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: he sat on his bed, his unmade bed in his bedroom,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: on his phone, his iPhone, and facetimet with her so
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: she could see. He said he was in the bed
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: where his wife had most likely died, and that he
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: was just chatting with her. She said he was staring
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: at her varientively, and he wasn't crying about his children
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: missing or his wife missing. He was just carrying on
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: like a flirting conversation with her, knowing that his wife was.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: He had killed his wife and his daughters in that
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: merry house within the last twenty four hours. Wow, you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's interesting that people worry about the you Alexis.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Let me be clear, worry about how the mistress was hurt.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You know, to hey with the mistress, she knew full
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: well he was married with children, although although I don't
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: think she knew the wife was pregnant. Vincent Hill, private investigator,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: author of Playbook to Murder. So often the defense will
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: be and I remember Mark Garrigos, who never agree with him,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: but he is a good defense lawyer. Would always say,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: an adulter or does not a murderer make And that's true.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Just because you're having an affair does not mean you're
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: going to commit murder. But in domestic homicides, very often
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you will find when the wife is murdered by the husband,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: there has been an affair. So the converse to me
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: is true very often, and domestic homicides you will find
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the killer is an adulterer. True adulterer doesn't mean a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: killer necessarily, but the reverse may very well be true.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. They had to know they were going to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: dig up at least one mistress. Vincent, Yeah, absolutely, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: thank god. You know, if you're an adulter doesn't make
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you a killer, because I'd be dead right now. No,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I'm on my second marriage. But you know, I think
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it's very you do notice that none of the women
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: on the panel are laughing. But go ahead, go ahead
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and laugh to your laugh to yourself. Go ahead. I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: tell you what, After all I've been through trying to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: have these children and raise these children, I would have
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I don't even know what I would
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: do if I found out my husband was cheating. You know, well,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that's a whole other can of worms. But go ahead.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: What's really disturbing Nancy. I think with this other mistress
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that he met on tender or whatever dating website, it
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: was the fact that he wanted to play out this
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: rape fantasy and strangle her. I think he was kind
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: of setting the tone of what he was going to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: do with his wife. And I wouldn't be surprised if
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: more women came forward at a later time, whether it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: from ten years ago, and say, yeah, he liked to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: choke or strangle or something like that. So I think
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: all the signs were there at this this whole time.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And luckily for this other mistress, I think she got
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: out kind of lucky. To be honest with you, well,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you know what, you're right, You're right. And again, although
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: we're giving her a hard time, she is in no
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: way implicated in his murderous plan. As a matter of fact,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger. No, it wasn't fair to
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: his family for him to have an affair. It wasn't
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: fair to me to have him lie to me and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: make me think that eving is to plan. And still
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to this day, I don't even know what's to lie
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and what's not. I don't even know if they were
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: like filing for divorce. I don't know if they were
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: put in the house up. I don't even know. I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: don't even know anymore what is real and what it's not.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: But what I do know is it's just like, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that wasn't fair to me either, because if I hadn't known,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the first place. And it just I mean, and that's
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the part for me, just like on my personal level,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: outside of everything that is happening that is gonna affect
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: me long term. It's like, you know, I'm gonna wake
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: up every day and know that like his mom and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: her unborn child and these two little girls are not
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: around anymore, and it breaks my heart. It is so
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: god in any and then I have to think about
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: like the consequences of his actions and how affect everybody else,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like all of these her family's impacted. My name is
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: about to be like slandered for probably a while. I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: don't know how long it's gonna take to heal, but
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if it's gonna be hard
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: to go out in public sometimes for a couple of years.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: And that really hurts me. I'm just like, this is
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible thing, like how dare you? You know?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: And people aren't gonna understand that. You know, they're gonna say, oh,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: you know, you're the woman that had an affair with
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: this man who took out his whole family. And I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: take a step back, and it's just like I didn't know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Like I ah, it's he's so disgusting. I'm so ashamed
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of him and everything. And I just all those little girls,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: there's a little and that's a part for me, just
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: like on my personal level, outside of everything that is
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: happening that is gonna affect me long term. It's like,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna wake up every day and know
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: that like his mom and her unborn child, and these
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: two little girls are not around anymore, and it breaks
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: my heart. It is so god in any and then
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I have to think about like the consequences of his
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: actions and how they affect everybody else, like all of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: these her family's impacted. My name is about to be
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: like slandered for probably a while. I don't know how
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: long it's gonna take to heal, but I would not
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: be surprised if it's gonna be hard to go out
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: in public sometimes for a couple of years. And that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: really hurts me. I'm just like, this is a horrible,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: horrible thing, like how dare you? You know? And people
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: aren't gonna understand that, you know, they're gonna say, oh,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you're the woman that had an affair with
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: this man who took out his whole family. Hold on
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: just a moment, Alexis Terrestro Radar online dot Com. You
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: told me that this statement from the mistress and cold
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Keessinger was before they knew Shenan and the two children
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: were dead. She clearly knows that they're dead. She just
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: said he took out his wife and two little girls.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Everyone is missing, and this is what she went in
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: she volunteered. She called the police herself when the girls
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: went missing after the first night, I said, they see
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: time that she saw that the house that bad had
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: no shoots on it, and he was acting really strange.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: She called the police, but they never surfaced again. Everybody
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: knew that they were all missing, and so she finally Okay,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: so you're saying that this is after they go missing,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: their believed dead at his hands. He's a suspect, but
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the bodies haven't been found yet. Correct. Okay to Susan Constantine,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: deception body language expert Susan, the crying and the whatever,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even make out what she's kind of like
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: a squeak at the end. The reality is she did
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: not commit the murders. Okay, that was not her plan.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: She was not involved in it at all. But it
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: seems a little disingenuous to be talking about how her
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: name is going to be slandered when you sign up
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to data married man, what do you think is going
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to happen when people find out they're not gonna like it. Yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing that stook out to me too, Nancy,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was that she was kind of bringing attention more to herself, like,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: how this is going to affect me in the future. Hall,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: people are going to see her in the future, and
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: she may have to be, you know, inside for a
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: couple of years because of this whole thing that she's
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: This man has taken out the kid's family, so you know,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the attention is on the wrong person. Why is the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: attention on her and not about the kids? I just
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: find that to be really odd. But it's a very
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: selfish person. But the act in itself, everything about her
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: was very self serving and selfish anyway, being involved with
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a married man, he wasn't divorced yet. I mean, Vincent Hill,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: when will people ever are This is not just about men,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: although I'm having a good time, you know, gibing at
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you and Alan, Vincent Hill, come on, you leave a track,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: a trail a mile wide when you have lovers and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: then your spouse ends up dead. I mean, even without
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: girlfriends or boyfriends or lovers or mistresses. They always look
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: at the spouse first, the girlfriend, the boyfriend first, the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: lover first. But then when mistresses start cropping up, not one,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: but two, including one that you play out volatile and
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: angry sex role playing with that that that doesn't look
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: good when your wife is missing. Why why Vincent? Yeah,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: just can't get it right. Nancy, to your point, because
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: you anytime you're investigating the death of a spouse, the
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: other spouse is the first person police look at. And
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: then you add in, you know, violent sex playouts and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: another mistress with text messages about anal sex and everything else.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Then of course that's where our investigators are going to look.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And you had the other mistress saying, oh, I went
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: there and the sheets were off the bed, so I
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. I mean, this guy wasn't the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: brightest bulb in the light should per se to do
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: what he did, and to take the mistress to his
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: house after they went missing, that is just stupid. Well,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: what about his deception and whether Nan knew had the
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: instinct that he was cheating, because I feel like he
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: got it over on everybody in escaping the death penalty.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I think he pulled deceived, the prosecutors, the court, everybody
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in this case. What about it, too, Ellen klaurin Crime
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter, Well, it is really just
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: amazing how often and to how many people Chris Watts lied,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: even after investigators told him point blank, you failed this
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: polygraph test. We know you're lying. He still continued to
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: lie and deny that he had anything to do with
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: why his family was missing. He was able to convince
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend that his marriage was on its way to
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: a divorce and that his wife was on board with that,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: which we know now is not true, But he was
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: not able to convince Shannon that he wasn't being on baseball.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: She knew towards the very end of her life. She
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: knew in her gut that something wasn't right. She had
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: seen a credit card receipt from that Saturday night that
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: he claimed to be at a Colorado Rockies game. He wasn't.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: He was at at a dinner with his girlfriend, and
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: she got an alert of the charge of that credit
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: card and it was way too much for one person.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So she knew, and he he even admitted later that
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: he knew. He knew that she knew, and he still
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: continues to deny and deny and deny any affairs. Nancy.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: This guy always go ahead. I'm sorry, Nancy. One thing,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: when I was doing PI cases and people would say,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I think my spouse is cheating on me. The spouse
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: always knows there's something that changes in their behavior, their
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: spending pattern, the way they talk to you. So yeah,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: no doubt miss Watts knew exactly what her husband, Chris
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: was doing. Now we learned that Chris Watts a killer
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: dad actually google quote when to say I Love you
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: when starting a knee relationship. This was weeks before he
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: murdered his wife and children. During his affair, he googles
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: when to say I love you for the first time
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: in a new relationship. On that same day, he googled
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: what do you feel when someone tells you they love you?
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And how does it feel and someone says I love you.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: This is all while he's married with a wife pregnant
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: with their first son, already have two little girls. For
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: almost a whole summer before she was killed, Chanane was
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina on and off visiting her parents, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: she was still working at her job. That is when
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: we believe much of the affair began. Their marriage began
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: to crumble, and Chananne was desperately trying to salvage their marriage.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: So what does that say to you? Alexis Terrez chuck
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: that before her husband killed murdered her, she was pleading
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: with him to stop quote living the bachelor life. She
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: knew he was quote living the bachelor life. What is
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: that well, because she was gone with their children, staying
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: at his parents' house. In her parents' house, he was
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: acting like a single guy. He was going out to
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: baseball games with friends, and he had no responsibility. He
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: didn't have children to take care of the morning or
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, or drive them to
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the swimming pool or to the beach or anything. He
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: was just doing exactly what he wanted to do with
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: no responsibilities, and she was devastated by this. She was
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: in a panic. She kept sending him self help book
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: thing to prepare their relationship, begging him, telling him she
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: missed their closeness and how much she loved him and
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: how she wanted to work things out with him. Meanwhile,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: he was just having sex with his other lady and
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: then likely plotting to kill her and to get her
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and the girls out of the way, and the whole
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: time texting her. Alexis texting her that Shenanne, that he
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: loved her and he was sorry and they would work
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: everything out, but he had another pot on the fire.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Listened to the girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, Your relationship with Chris
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: was Can you describe your relationship? I mean when he
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: was with me, I considered it to be fairly healthy.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Was open communication, and it was what I thought was honest,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: and it was very calm, It was respectful. We got
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: along really well. He gave me my space when I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: needed it, I gave him his, and anytime like he
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to take care of it, like any time that
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: his kids could be in like his life for hours
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: or days or whatever, whenever they were home. I made
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: sure that I wasn't a presence in his life so
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: that he could be the best dad that he needed
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: to be. And I mean I thought what we had
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: it was very comfortable for me. I enjoyed it. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: think he did very much as well. You guys, sixty
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: eight weeks, two months, whatever it was, you guys had
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: an intimate relationship during that time. Yes, so you're pretty serious.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Did he ever tell you that he loved you? Yes?
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: He did. Did you ever tell him the same couple times?
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I'm still in shocked that this whole thing happened. I like,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: that's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: for the first day, because I was just like, no, way,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like I didn't even think about that. I mean, murder
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: was not on the top of my mind. When somebody
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't come home for an evening, especially if they just
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: like had some sort of like heated conversation, it's like, Okay,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: you guys are separatening a heated conversation. You leave for
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a night, Like I didn't even think this guy killed
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: his wife. I mean that like murders on something on
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: the top of my mind. When I call one of
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: my friends for three or four hours and she doesn't
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: answer the phone, like that doesn't even process to me,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: is like a real thing that is a possibility at
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that point, And so that's why I gave it a day.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: And then the second day I was talking to him.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: He was just like a hot mess. I could tell.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: And then with the way he was talking to me,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: and then that's kind of when I cut him off
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: and I stopped talking to Joining me Ellen Klaurin Crime
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, Vincent Hill, private investigator and author,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, deception body language expert, and joining me right
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: now Alexa's trest shut. Journalists with Radar online dot Com.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Alexa's so much is breaking right now, And this is
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: after the family was essentially talked out of seeking the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: death penalty. What more are you learning you know about
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: the death penalty? I feel like, you know, Chris kept
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: saying from the beginning that Nan had killed his daughter
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and he found her on top of the little girl
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: and strangling her, and that's when he threw her off
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: and killed her because the girl was dead. But you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: know that the police asked me, said, well, did you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: try to revive your daughters? No? They said, did you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: do any CBR? He said no, even though he had
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: CPR trading very recently through work, and so he has
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: was such an expert lave his parents. I suppose any
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: parent loves her child really believed that the wife killed
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: these girls and that he was just taking a covering
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: up for her and really was taking a bullet for
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: her instead. And that's why. But perhaps that they didn't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: see the definulity because they were afraid that a jury
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: would believe that too, because that was going to be
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: his defense, that he only killed his wife, that he
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: wouldn't kill those girls. Alexis, Alexis, get a hold of yourself.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Afraid the jury would believe
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: it too. What Uh no, no, no, No jury in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: their right mind would believe something like that. But are
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you telling me? That's why they waffled and they taught
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the family into not seeking the death penalty. Yes, and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that because his parents so adamantly believed it. And even
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: after he pleaded guilty, he said I killed them all,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: his parents said this wasn't true. He was coerced into
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: doing it about the girls because he didn't kill the girls.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: He only killed his wife and not the girls. Where
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: are you guys coming out now to speak with us
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: because we didn't know about the plea deal. This is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Ronnie and Cindy Watts, the parents of Christopher Watts, the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: man who pleaded guilty to killing his pregnant wife, Shanan,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: and his two children, Bella and Celeste. We were not
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: allowed to talk to him about it. They're frustrated because
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: they say his attorneys wouldn't let them ask him anything
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: about the case before the plea. I asked, Chris, if
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you did not do this, do not confess to something
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you didn't do, and she shut me down. She completely
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: shut me down, just like everyone else. His parents have
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions after he confessed to killing Shanan,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: claiming he saw her strangle one of the kids. I'm
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: sorry as I went into a rage and I killed her,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and he said, I am so sorry. He says, I've
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: ruined your life. I've ruined my life. Antelisa that I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: could not put the girls with her after what she did.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I could not put them with her, and so instead
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: of putting the girls with her, he decided to put
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: them into the whole time, it was us. I don't
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: understand that either. He's not a sociopath. He's not a psychopath.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: A question his parents have is what was the trigger
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to cause all this to happen? Something I asked when
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I interviewed him when she was reported missing. Did you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: guys get an argument before? It wasn't. It wasn't like
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: an argument. We had emotional conversation, but I'll leave it
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: at that. Because she was leaving him where he was
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: leaving her, He was leaving her, he said. It wasn't
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: in love with anymore. He said, because both NaN's family
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and Chris's family are in pain, his parents just want
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: the truth about what happened. If this actually happened like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: the like they're saying that it did that he killed them,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: then what was the trigger? There? You were hearing from
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: denverse seven Chris Watts's family defending him, claiming that Shenan
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Watts is what actually murdered their children to Susan Constant
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: tain Deception of body language expert way In on that scenario. Yeah, Nan,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to what she's think. You know, it reminds
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: me of Sandia and you know when she went to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: bad for her own daughter. And they are delusional. They
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: just cannot believe that their own child is capable of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: being a sociopath or psychopath. Well, guests, wife, he is,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and he was and he always will be. And you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: didn't see the signs because you chose not to see it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: You're you look at him through a blind eye. Following
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: up on his story, take a listen to Chris Watts
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: in video that we've obtained off his confession, telling his
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: dad how he heard a quote commotion upstairs and goes
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: up there to find his pregnant wife, Shannan smothering one
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: of the daughters. I think she raised my hounds hanging out.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: M I'll choking my girl. She's going yea, they're blue. Yes,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: she choked out from the dead. I forgot the champagoe
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: cans say, I don't say that. I figed might call
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: them concos studs. No one to do all the bodies
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: offers on for mean, I didn't know what else to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: do that I faked I out, didn't know nothing else
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to do. I didn't know what to do. So they
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: were saying, like, superly fit an arm through that, it's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: probably get it. That's something that's just like, right, is
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: that's how we gas to tanks? So do you think
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: it's about like just like a pot or what's that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: thing on the ground street look a man like its cover? Like?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Does that thing okay? Was it hard to get them
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: in there? Did you have to push or anything? Or okay,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: we're sure you're okay, Like we're gonna have to bring
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: these tanks. It's gonna be kind of a mess. So
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that you're being truthful
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: about that. And did it because fish she nan here
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: because she couldn't like cold, you not lift her all
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the way up there, or you couldn't would you have
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: been too big to fit in that hole? Did you
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: know that already just from the working build? And then
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: then uh, okay, and the girls aren't going to be
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: with her in going down here? Do you didn't really
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: think this just blew from wherever that was? Okay, that's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: very open area, very that's just such a cool wind
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: for him and everybody else. There's nothing, there's no tree,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: nothing perspecting that area and something through now, Okay, Bruce
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Watts in video that we've obtained off his confession, and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: then you hear Chris Watts continuing to give investigators information
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: regarding the so called burial of his family. Listen, I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: told you that we've done some work overnight something that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: we've got a lot of reliefs. There wasn't a why.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: We know a lot more than you think we do. Okay,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: then here's what we're confused. You're this great guy. I'm
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: not just telling you that, Okay. I'm telling you that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: because everyone tells us that. Okay, we can't find anyone
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: to say anything bad about you. Chris is a great guy.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: He's a good father, he's a good man. We're confused
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: as to why you're not taking care of your beautiful children.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not taking care of them right now. Right now,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know where they're at Honestly, I do not
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: know where they are at. If I could have my
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: baby's back home right now, I would I want them back.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: I want everybody back. As a god on his truth,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that may be the only thing killer Dad Chris Wise
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: was telling the truth about he did want his wife
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: and children back so he wouldn't go to jail for
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: life or worse, look down the wrong into the barrel
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: at the death penalty. You are hearing Chris Watts will
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: with investigators describing still claiming his wife and children had
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: no idea where they were the whole time. To Alexis Terreschuk,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: he knew he had killed all three and forced the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: girl's bodies into tankers whose opening were just eight inches wide.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: And we heard him a few moments ago describing that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: putting his daughters down these pipes, essentially without shedding a tear. Alexis,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about him? Looking at real
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: estate and Alexis, I'm reading some of her texts, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: all of these texts and videos are in the state's file.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: She says, I can handle not having your help with
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: the girls. That's exhausting, But I missed the smell of you,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: you touching me when I'm cooking me, holding you, snug
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: with you, eating with you, watching TV with you. I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: miss staring at you. I miss everything about you. I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: can't wait to hold you, to kiss you, to smell you,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: to laugh with you, to celebrate eight years with you.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: If you're done and you don't love me, you don't
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: want to work this out, not happy anymore, only studying
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: books as the kids. I need you to tell me,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: would you stay with me if we didn't have kids?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: And she goes on, Alexis, I just don't get it.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: You don't fall out of love in five weeks. How
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: can you sleep? Our marriage is crumbling in front of us,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: and you can sleep. All of this is happening just
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: before her murder now. Chris Watts then seeks out a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: real or explain Alexis to Reschuck. They had had major
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: financial troubles, but while both of them were working like
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: they were really strapped for cash. Their daughter's school, their
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: private school costs twenty five thousand dollars a year. It
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: was really extensive to them. So they decided actually together
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: to maybe sell the house. So Sanin actually reached out
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: to the real estate agent first. She said, we would
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: like to put the house, and she did it through
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: her Facebook page, and then Chris killed her, so she
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: was no longer around. Then Chris reached out to the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: real estate agents, and the real estagent thought that was
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: so weird because she had helped them buy the house
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: a few years earlier. She had never ever once dealt
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: with Chris. So he's killed his wife, he's killed his ladies,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and he goes ahead and calls the real estate ladiesays, yeah,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: we definitely still want to sell this house, and she
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: founded the alarm. That's before the bodies were found and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: they were quote just missing hours after he had killed them,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: when nobody even knew that they were missing, when he
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: had already dumped their bodies out in this a band
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: of an old oil well and out in the middle
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: of nowhere. And then he contacts the real estate ladies, says, yeah,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: go ahead, we definitely want to do this, And so
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: she kept texting Chris and Chanan because she said she'd
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: never dealt with Chris before, and she didn't hear anything
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: from her, and she thought that was so strange. And
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: then he replied too and said, oh yeah, yeah, go
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: ahead and tell her how It's just who're going to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: completely paralleled uvers, and he could go ahead and sell
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: his house and it'd be fun, even though he's killed
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: his wife and daughters in it hours earlier. You know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, you're the deception and body language expert. I'm
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: looking at video with him right now at a convenience store,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: right after he murders his wife. He's just calm and cool.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: And we're getting this when the Colorado Weld County District
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Attorney's office and he stops to get breakfast and goes
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: in there. I am looking at the surveillance video at
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: a Colorado convenience stories eight a m. In the morning,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: and he's just chatting up the female cashier. He's wearing
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: his orange T shirt with sunglasses perched on top of
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: his baseball cap. He takes his change, he puts it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: in his walk before walking away from the counter. He's
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: just totally chill, calm, cool, collected. You'd never know he
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: just dump the bodies of his little girl, four year
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: old Bella and three year old Celeste in an oil
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: tank and buried his pregnant wife in a sallow grave
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: out in a crude oil field. I mean, and you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: hear just after that he's on the phone with the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: realtor trying to sell the house. Susan, Yeah, you know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I think Scott Peterson did the same thing. He put
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: his house up for sale right afterwards, so you know
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: that that chill in the air that he has. You know,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you often hear about other murderers that have done the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: same thing. They may have killed somebody and they turn around,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: they go to Dunkin Donuts or you know, to Wendy's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: to go stop and get a Hamburgers. They've released it,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: so they actually feel free. So they've released themselves from
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: all that anxiety they had. A person is dead and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: they feel good about it, so they have no remorse. Remember, Nancy,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: these are this is a sociopath. He's a cychopath. He
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: has no emotion and he doesn't have any concern about
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: other people, so it's pretty easy for him not to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: have any remorse, so he has not. It's almost like
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: he's a teenager. To Ellen Kilaurain, Crime online dot Com reporter,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: it's like a teenager boy just running or a kid
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: in a candy shop just playing out every six sex
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: fantasy with every woman that will have anything to do
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: with him chasing every skirt he sees. You've got the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: one mistress looking at wedding dresses online. But I'm still
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: confused about her her computer search for Amber Fry because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Amber Fry was the mistress in the Scott Peterson murder case.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that. She is not a suspect, she's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: not a person of interest. She cooperated with police. This
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: woman to Cole Kessinger. But what about Ellan Kilaurna? And also,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the photo of a
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: doll creepily covered up with a sheet as if the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: doll is dead that Chris Watts texted um. Yes, as
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: you said, Nancy, he's running around like a teenager. He
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: has no responsibilities, like he's living in this fantasy world.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: And he's only dating this mistress who he fell in
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: love with and apparently wanted to start a new life
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: with for less than two months. The affair was only
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: about six weeks. Most of it happened while his family
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: was away in North Carolina. But he's he's completely ignoring them.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: You know, Shannon is texting him all the time, and
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: he's ignored. You see in the discovery documents that were
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: released that showed the text messages. He's ignoring his wife,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: who's patiently trying to talk to him about their family
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and her pregnancy and in issues she's having with the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: in laws. He's ignoring her text messages, but he's talking
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: to the mistress. It is what it is. Though a
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: switch went off and suddenly his family didn't matter anymore. So,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: getting back to the interrogation, I do think that it's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: we should note that Chris Watts continued to lie after
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  Speaker 1: he knew he failed a polygraph test. The interrogators they
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: suggested the story to him about Shannon maybe having hurt
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  Speaker 1: the girls before he talks to his dad, So you
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  Speaker 1: can look at him lat that that. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 1: look at a number of different ways, but you'll know
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: that that in the chronology of it, it was after
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  Speaker 1: they make that suggestion that he talks to his dad
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  Speaker 1: and he tells his that exactly what they suggested to him.
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  Speaker 1: And I do not think they believe that was the
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  Speaker 1: truth ever, But after he talks to his dad, his
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  Speaker 1: death does believe it's the truth. He does believe his son.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of the girls, Bella and Celeste, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this. My daddy is that he he helps me.
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  Speaker 1: He helps me. He hie my shoes. If you are well,
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  Speaker 1: my daddy, daddy, and love you. Chris Watts, rot in Hell,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,