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NFL Draft with Johnny Manziel · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: All right, Johnny, I mentioned franchise mode. You've been breaking
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Speaker 1: down the quarterback class for the NFL Draft. It's on
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Speaker 1: our TikTok and get it on Instagram, get it on
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Speaker 1: your socials. The very first question I get, and I
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Speaker 1: know why we did this, Johnny Manziel analyzing NFL draft quarterbacks.
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Speaker 3: Why I think for me analyzing this draft of quarterbacks, drafting,
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Speaker 3: or just like looking at quarterbacks in general. For me,
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Speaker 3: as I watch football today in today's day and age,
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Speaker 3: you know, I watch it very much as the way
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Speaker 3: that I was taught, which is through these NFL coaches eyes,
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Speaker 3: through the eyes of Kyle Shanahan, through the eyes of
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Speaker 3: Chris Kingsbury, and for me, I look at football in
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Speaker 3: a very detailed way because of how I was taught,
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Speaker 3: and that's something that you know, contradicts I think a
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Speaker 3: lot of what people think about me. And for me,
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed the game. I enjoy watching a group of
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Speaker 3: young quarterbacks go on to try and have success in
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Speaker 3: the NFL. And these guys in general, I believe, are
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Speaker 3: very very good being around getting a chance, luckily from
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Speaker 3: you guys to be able to have the opportunity to
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Speaker 3: do that as something that's extremely special for me.
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Speaker 1: When you say you're watching it, now, what are you
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Speaker 1: looking at?
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Speaker 3: You're looking for things to jump off the page. You know,
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Speaker 3: you're looking for plays from guys that as a former player,
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Speaker 3: you're looking at and you go wow. There's a lot
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Speaker 3: of guys in this class especially that make you go well.
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Speaker 3: From one through six, there's a great list of guys
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Speaker 3: in this class who can sit there as you're watching
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Speaker 3: college football on a Saturday for the past two or
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Speaker 3: three years and see these guys make plays that make
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Speaker 3: you say wow, all right, s.
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Speaker 1: And I know you want to dig on you want
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Speaker 1: to dig in on some of these guys. But I
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Speaker 1: got to say, you had a take on Michael Pennix
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Speaker 1: Junior a month ago that was essentially saying he was
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Speaker 1: the second best quarterback in the draft. At the time,
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Speaker 1: he was a mid day two prospect. Now all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, where seventy two hours from the draft and
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Speaker 1: there's all this smoke about Penix going in the first round.
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Speaker 1: Could it be to Seattle, where you know his former
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is now the coach. Could it be to
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Speaker 1: the Falcons who have hinted they might like him at
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Speaker 1: ten before we get to Johnny who was ahead of
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Speaker 1: Penix head of the curve on Penick Simon, what have
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Speaker 1: you been hearing?
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Speaker 2: Just a bunch of different stuff, But I think it's
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Speaker 2: going to what I think Gihny's been talking about for
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Speaker 2: the last month or so.
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Speaker 4: But a lot of these teams. I fell in love
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Speaker 4: with him. It's just all the tools.
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Speaker 2: So the big fear with him is just as a GM,
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Speaker 2: it's the injury stuff, especially when you're ranking these guys
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Speaker 2: as like scouting, what's the on the field stuff and
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Speaker 2: then what's off the field stuff, and then you combine
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Speaker 2: both of that to make a grade on them, Right it's.
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Speaker 4: Not just skill set talent wise, because I.
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Speaker 2: Think a lot of guys they look at Penis and
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Speaker 2: he does make all the throws like he is an
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Speaker 2: incredible passer from the pocket.
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Speaker 4: The question with him was the athleticism.
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Speaker 2: And then the injury and the health, right, So I
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Speaker 2: think teams got more comfortable they realized.
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Speaker 4: That he had a lot of bad luck with injuries.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't just great because of his incredible offensive line
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Speaker 2: and his first round receivers. A lot of it was him,
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Speaker 2: Like he made his receivers better in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's it's interesting talking to people where
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Speaker 2: he was looked at as a late second round, mid
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Speaker 2: second round guy, and I think what really helped him
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Speaker 2: Chad was his forty time like he ran a gray forward.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are like, wow, this
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Speaker 2: kid's actually kind of athletic, because in college, once you
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Speaker 2: got outside the pocket, he looked like a bad quarterback, right.
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Speaker 2: He didn't look as well prepared. So yeah, definitely interest here.
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Speaker 2: Johnny's taken why he's ranked him at number two against
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Speaker 2: you know again, I'm a big Daniels fan.
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Speaker 4: I just can't imagine have him above Daniels.
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Speaker 3: You know, when you come into the pre draft process
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Speaker 3: and you really have questions that need to be answered,
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Speaker 3: and you go through the whole process and then you
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Speaker 3: answer those questions and then some I think all he's
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Speaker 3: done is help his draft stock. I think, you know,
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Speaker 3: in the position that he plays, you don't have to
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Speaker 3: be a full fledged runner in the NFL, but third
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Speaker 3: and four, third and five, to be able to get
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Speaker 3: out and escape and make and keep drives going, is
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Speaker 3: you know a question for him, I would think on
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Speaker 3: the next level and to go out and show some athleticism,
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Speaker 3: show a forty times, show consistency through the process of
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Speaker 3: pre draft. I think it puts him in a great
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Speaker 3: position for what he wants to do, and I think
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Speaker 3: that teams are seeing that in him. I think teams
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Speaker 3: are seeing that. You know, he's a great leader, he
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Speaker 3: throws the ball as good as anybody in the draft class.
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Speaker 3: And you know, all the things that I spoke positively
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Speaker 3: about him, I continue to echo because I feel it's
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Speaker 3: the truth. And I think somebody will be getting a
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Speaker 3: great quarterback with him no matter where he goes. And
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Speaker 3: he's deserving to go in the first round, just based
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Speaker 3: off who he is as a football player.
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Speaker 1: But if he's going to be better than somebody, then
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Speaker 1: there has to be something about the other quarterbacks that
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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily like. Michael Pennix as a for you
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Speaker 1: second quarterback, what is your criticism of the other quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: that makes him better.
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Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels is still going to go second quarterback off
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Speaker 3: the board. I don't think there's a lot of negatives
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Speaker 3: on any of them. I think it's all about fit
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Speaker 3: from Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake May and Michael Pennock Junior.
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Speaker 3: I think between those four guys and then you add
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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, I think for those four or five guys,
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Speaker 3: you're getting starting caliber type of young, good rookie quarterbacks.
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Speaker 4: But there is something you do dislike because you have
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Speaker 4: Penix as too.
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Speaker 3: I think it's my list, right. I think it's who
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Speaker 3: I like more than the others. I don't think Jaydon
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Speaker 3: Daniels throws the football as well as Michael Pennock Junior does.
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Speaker 4: This current point, I agree with that.
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Speaker 3: I think his running ability and as a whole potential wise,
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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels is going to grow into something great when
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Speaker 3: he gets with a coach and gets into the NFL setting.
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Speaker 3: Drake May, I think, is a guy who needs to
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Speaker 3: be instructured and needs to be in a good team
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Speaker 3: like Minnesota, like certain places to be able to really
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Speaker 3: flourish in what makes him good. I think he needs
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Speaker 3: to get with an offensive mind like Kevin O'Connell to
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Speaker 3: get to who he needs to be as a player.
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Speaker 3: That's what I see as a fit from college quarterback
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Speaker 3: to NFL. JJ McCarthy. Another example what I don't like
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Speaker 3: about him is his fit has to be so perfect
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Speaker 3: for him to come in. You can't drop him in
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Speaker 3: at every single team and have him go and flourish.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot like me where I end up going
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Speaker 3: to Cleveland and I get with Shanahan and it doesn't
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Speaker 3: really work out. Is the right fit you don't know.
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Speaker 3: I think a couple of these guys at the bottom,
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Speaker 3: from Drake May to JJ McCarthy, even Jaden Daniels a
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Speaker 3: little bit, they're going to need the right fit, and
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Speaker 3: they're going to need the right mesh. I think you
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Speaker 3: could throw Caleb in anywhere to any of the thirty
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Speaker 3: two teams in the NFL and he's going to be successful.
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Speaker 3: I don't feel that way about anybody else in this class.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's great. I mean that's exactly sort of
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Speaker 1: the thinking that I don't think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: are applying to this. They're only sort of going with
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Speaker 1: the rundown and saying any one of these guys, especially
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Speaker 1: at Jayden Daniels, especially a Drake, may can fit in anywhere,
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Speaker 1: whether we're talking about Washington, we're talking about New England.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned fit. You have a lot of experience with FIT,
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Speaker 1: You have a lot of experience with owning responsibility for
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Speaker 1: why it didn't work, but also the challenges of being
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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. When you look at what's on the board
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Speaker 1: right now, you see the players take people behind the
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Speaker 1: scenes of like what do these guys want to be
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Speaker 1: looking for? To try to figure out where they might
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Speaker 1: fit in, where they might be comfortable. Because when you're
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Speaker 1: going in as a twenty one to twenty two year
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Speaker 1: old kid, it's not just about how am I going
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Speaker 1: to play as a quarterback.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those things like do you know
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Speaker 3: those guys are sitting there in a very floating type
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Speaker 3: of position right now. This part of the draft phase
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Speaker 3: is the most like uncertain certainty that you can probably
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Speaker 3: ever have in your life. Right, for me, sitting there
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Speaker 3: at this point in time, I had a very high
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Speaker 3: inclination that I would be a first round draft pick.
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Speaker 3: It was a want, it was a need, it was
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Speaker 3: a desire at that point in time, because I felt
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Speaker 3: like it's what you had to do. You had to
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Speaker 3: be a first round pick. You had to go be
10:54
Speaker 3: the space of the franchise, and that's where I was
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Speaker 3: at in my time. But in reality, I think these
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Speaker 3: guys are sitting here in situation of they don't know
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Speaker 3: what's going on. You know, outside of Caleb in this draft,
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Speaker 3: I would highly doubt or Jaden maybe or Drake, like
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Speaker 3: a couple of these guys. If one and two is
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Speaker 3: already set in stone, the majority of the guys in
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Speaker 3: these class are going to have no idea where they fall.
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Speaker 3: So let's just use Michael Pennocks as an example. You know,
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Speaker 3: for him, he's sitting here probably hoping to get into
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Speaker 3: a similar situation that he was in in Washington. You know,
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Speaker 3: good solid foundation, a good franchise, doesn't mind playing in
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Speaker 3: the cold. Really can be anywhere you can plug and
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Speaker 3: play him in any kind of weather, any kind of
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Speaker 3: stadium anywhere, and I think he's going to flourish. So
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Speaker 3: like you know, a New England with a good structure
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Speaker 3: and like you know, an organization that has a lot
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Speaker 3: of history in cold weather, it doesn't bother him. They
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Speaker 3: need a quarterback Vegas.
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Speaker 4: Vegas is favorite the lamp Penix right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love Vegas for him as well. You know,
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Speaker 3: I think the favorites and where the odds are, you know,
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Speaker 3: the majority of the time, like I saw Cayleb Williams
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Speaker 3: Odds's minus forty thousand or whatever to go. Yeah, that's extreme,
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Speaker 3: That's that's happening. Now. As you look at the odds,
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Speaker 3: you're kind of going to tell for the most part,
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Speaker 3: you know who's going to go where. You know, if
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Speaker 3: the odds are high on Pinix in Vegas, I just
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Speaker 3: mean somebody else is probably going to have to trade
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Speaker 3: up to try and come and get them, is what
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Speaker 3: I would think looking at that from my perspective, because
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Speaker 3: I know in my draft twenty three was the Kansas
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Speaker 3: City Chiefs and the Browns traded up to twenty two
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Speaker 3: to jump in front of them, or I think I
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Speaker 3: would have ended up in Arrowhead.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that. Do you think about
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Speaker 1: the different scenarios and what might have been and how
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Speaker 1: you would have managed that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, how can you not? I mean, as you say
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Speaker 3: here today, and know that your NFL career didn't work out,
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Speaker 3: wouldn't it be nice to fantasize and think about going
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Speaker 3: somewhere else to be able to maybe have a fresh
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Speaker 3: start or something different or if it had worked out.
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Speaker 3: And I don't play that game as much with myself
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Speaker 3: anymore as I used to in the past. I think
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Speaker 3: that's a lot of what I've been doing for the
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Speaker 3: last eight years. But fit does matter and where you
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Speaker 3: go and a coach believing in you. Somebody has to
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Speaker 3: believe in one of these guys and believe in it
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Speaker 3: the way that they may not even believe in themselves.
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Speaker 3: And that's where I ran in some trouble, as you know,
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Speaker 3: I had people believing in me. But when it comes
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Speaker 3: down to it, if you're not doing the work yourself
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Speaker 3: to get to where you need to go individually as
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Speaker 3: a person, you're still going to have your struggles no
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Speaker 3: matter how much belief is in that quarterback row. And
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Speaker 3: that's from my experience.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you had this great interview with Shannon Sharp,
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Speaker 1: where you talked about the experience in Cleveland that you
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Speaker 1: just sort of brought up in the challenge of having
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Speaker 1: that confidence. And I think it was a defensive coordinator
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Speaker 1: says something about you'd be a great football player if
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Speaker 1: you got your head out of your ass, and then
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Speaker 1: that was immediately sort of a trigger that was really
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Speaker 1: challenging for you. What do you remember about that. Why
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Speaker 1: do you think it had such an impact.
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Speaker 3: I think for me, I was at a place in
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Speaker 3: my life where my game was struggling and I didn't
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Speaker 3: have the confidence in myself on the football field that
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Speaker 3: I normally had in the past. And when you lose
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Speaker 3: that confidence in yourself, start to question whether you can
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Speaker 3: make that throw. And the NFL is not a place
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Speaker 3: for you to drop back five steps like sitting back there,
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Speaker 3: going can I make this? Can I make this throw?
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Speaker 3: Can I really step into this and get it to
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Speaker 3: where I need to be? And when your confidence is
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Speaker 3: you know, not there, and you're taking steps back in
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Speaker 3: the game and you're dropping and thinking about this or
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Speaker 3: thinking about that. Football is not a game that you
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Speaker 3: can think and play. You need to go out and
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Speaker 3: have your work done, pre prepped and pre ready to
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Speaker 3: go to where when Sundays come around, you just do
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Speaker 3: you don't think.
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Speaker 1: The I'm curious when you started digging in and looking
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Speaker 1: at football again from from the perspective you are now
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Speaker 1: where you can analyze it, where you can be sort
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Speaker 1: of detached, when you're not thinking about oh, that could
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Speaker 1: have been me kind of stuff, but more as a
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Speaker 1: as someone who has the expertise and can relay the information.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, just I had to fall
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Speaker 3: out of love with the game for a little bit.
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Speaker 3: So for two years when I got done playing, I
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Speaker 3: wanted nothing to do with football, nothing. I didn't want
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Speaker 3: to watch. I didn't want to see any of it.
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Speaker 3: And it kind of made me sick to even have
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Speaker 3: to walk by TVs on Saturdays and Sundays and have
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Speaker 3: to see a game of football being played and slowly
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Speaker 3: through life and just you know, time passing by. I
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Speaker 3: got back to a place where I could watch it
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Speaker 3: and have some enjoyment about seeing the beauty of the
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Speaker 3: game of football and look at it from a perspective
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Speaker 3: of not in a selfish lens, you know, look at
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Speaker 3: it as a football does good for the world. You know,
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Speaker 3: football does good for people a fan base. You know,
15:29
Speaker 3: you know, it's more than just the players. There's so
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Speaker 3: much tied into the game of football that sometimes when
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Speaker 3: you're playing, you don't necessarily see, and when you're out
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Speaker 3: of it, you definitely see through a different lens. How
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Speaker 3: much goes in to just showing up to a game
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Speaker 3: on Sunday, from the staff, to the fans, to all
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Speaker 3: of it that goes in. When you become a spectator
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Speaker 3: and you're not a player, you really get another chance
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Speaker 3: to see and it makes you feel some kind.
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Speaker 4: Of way again.
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Speaker 2: Fit is very important what he's talking about. I think
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Speaker 2: Johnny is a great templeament of You are probably one
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Speaker 2: of the more gifted athletes ever to play football. I
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Speaker 2: think anyone's ever watched college football that grew up and
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Speaker 2: joined the game and loves the game. You're a unicorn
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Speaker 2: like that. You're you're a player that there hasn't really
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Speaker 2: been one since you came to the league and before you.
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Speaker 2: I really can't think of a guy that came into
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Speaker 2: the league. But I think you're also the proof of
16:19
Speaker 2: talent only gets you so far, right, Like when you
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine the feeling you had when you first
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Speaker 2: got the NFL of you're looking up. I mean Peyton
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Speaker 2: Manny is one of that says. What I'm about to
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Speaker 2: say here is that he knew how good he was.
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Speaker 2: He remember we got to the league. It was like
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Speaker 2: looking up this giant mountain and the guy was like,
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Speaker 2: you got to work every day to walk up to
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Speaker 2: that top of that mountain while three hundred pound dudes
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Speaker 2: are trying to beat the carp buy you and kill
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Speaker 2: you while you're trying to comb up there. So you
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Speaker 2: know what it takes. And I think you're a testament
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Speaker 2: of you know, you're very open about it, but it's like,
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Speaker 2: it's incredible how many people get washed out because of
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Speaker 2: getting overwhelmed by that amount of pressure to succeed that
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Speaker 2: way and the amount of work ahead of you. Did
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Speaker 2: you feel that overwhelmingess when you got into the league
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Speaker 2: of like, holy shit, I can't just party and not
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Speaker 2: watch film, Like I got to put in a shit
17:03
Speaker 2: ton of work here.
17:04
Speaker 3: I would say it didn't set into me until after
17:06
Speaker 3: a year. You know, I was so ingrained and had
17:09
Speaker 3: so many things going right for me throughout my whole
17:11
Speaker 3: life that I got you that good Yeah, that I
17:13
Speaker 3: got to the NFL without any hiccups, you know, like
17:16
Speaker 3: did I have a couple like issues in college with
17:19
Speaker 3: off the field or this and that. Sure, But as
17:20
Speaker 3: far as a football player, you know, I got all
17:24
Speaker 3: the way to the biggest stage in the world based
17:26
Speaker 3: off cure athletic talent, and like, yeah, hard work was
17:29
Speaker 3: a little bit mixed in there, but it was definitely
17:31
Speaker 3: always more play than work for me at that point
17:33
Speaker 3: in time. So for me, it took a year to
17:36
Speaker 3: set in and finally be like, oh shit, like I'm
17:39
Speaker 3: not doing what the rest of the people in this
17:42
Speaker 3: league are doing. You know, I'm not like step by
17:45
Speaker 3: step incrementally climbing up that mountain. I'm sitting at the bottom,
17:48
Speaker 3: going is something going to take me to the top
17:50
Speaker 3: of this thing? Or what are we doing? And that
17:52
Speaker 3: was like my mindset that I had then and then
17:54
Speaker 3: after my first year in the league and it didn't
17:56
Speaker 3: go the way I wanted it to, and it sat
17:58
Speaker 3: wrong with me that I worked harder the second year
18:02
Speaker 3: and then the situation didn't work itself out. So I think,
18:05
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of these guys are sitting here
18:06
Speaker 3: right now and they don't necessarily know the work. They
18:09
Speaker 3: may think they know the work that they have in
18:11
Speaker 3: front of them. But other than that, you just really
18:15
Speaker 3: hope that these guys have the love of the game
18:17
Speaker 3: instilled all the way into them to where they live it,
18:20
Speaker 3: they breathe it, and they have that Peyton Manny Tom
18:22
Speaker 3: Brady kind of mindset in them, because without that mindset,
18:26
Speaker 3: I don't care how gifted you are athletically, you won't
18:29
Speaker 3: make it unless you're a grinder in the NFL. And
18:32
Speaker 3: they get weeded out every single day. I mean there's talented,
18:35
Speaker 3: talented guys. I'm a laundry list, you know. I'm one
18:38
Speaker 3: of many and a long line of people who haven't
18:42
Speaker 3: reached their full potential in the NFL. Call it a bus,
18:45
Speaker 3: call it what you want, whatever it may be. It's
18:48
Speaker 3: a hard game. It's a man's game and one you
18:50
Speaker 3: have to work out every day, and if you don't,
18:52
Speaker 3: you get weeded out. The NFL is not for long,
18:56
Speaker 3: and it means that in every sense of the word.
18:58
Speaker 3: The average you know, people play in this league is
19:01
Speaker 3: three and a half years. Like that is really truly
19:04
Speaker 3: what the average is. If you make it and play
19:06
Speaker 3: four years, you're above average. I made it too, so
19:10
Speaker 3: I'm below average. And that was what my career was
19:12
Speaker 3: in a sense. And you know, to have a long career,
19:15
Speaker 3: whether it's a starter, a backup, a third string, any
19:20
Speaker 3: of it really comes with the hard work because there's
19:25
Speaker 3: only thirty two spots, and there's only sixty four first,
19:27
Speaker 3: and you know the backup quarterbacks in the NFL, So
19:30
Speaker 3: you're one of sixty four and the entire planet, and
19:33
Speaker 3: then there's a couple guys scattered around. Really you're fighting
19:37
Speaker 3: for one of sixty four. And that's what your fight
19:38
Speaker 3: is every day. If you don't have your mindset around
19:41
Speaker 3: that and based in that, you're going to struggle.
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Speaker 1: when you were at A and M, especially your freshman year,
20:35
Speaker 1: obviously you guys kind of came out of nowhere, and
20:40
Speaker 1: as there's always the as sort of always happens, betters
20:44
Speaker 1: see ahead of the curve, and so professional betters were
20:50
Speaker 1: just making bank on A and M games your freshman year.
20:56
Speaker 1: How do you get treated in the years after that,
21:00
Speaker 1: even to beat like those first couple of years when
21:03
Speaker 1: you're going to Vegas and you're Johnny Football and you've
21:06
Speaker 1: been making professional betters six figures, seventh figures over the
21:10
Speaker 1: course of a year.
21:12
Speaker 3: Yeah. I run into people probably every single week, whether
21:15
Speaker 3: it's professional betters or people. Every single week. One of
21:18
Speaker 3: my conversations is somebody comes up and taps me on
21:20
Speaker 3: the shoulder and goes, I made so much money off
21:22
Speaker 3: if you gambling in college, thank you. I've always wanted
21:25
Speaker 3: to meet you, and I really do, truly hear that
21:27
Speaker 3: every week in my life. It's hilarious. So you know,
21:30
Speaker 3: we were underdogs in a lot of those games at
21:32
Speaker 3: Texas A and M fifteen and a half point underdogs
21:34
Speaker 3: at Alabama, like as we crowned up and came out
21:36
Speaker 3: of nowhere. If you rode our eleven and two season
21:39
Speaker 3: that year, I bet we almost covered probably every single
21:41
Speaker 3: game in there that first year. Now next year, you know,
21:43
Speaker 3: we probably had a couple of heartbreaks in there, being
21:45
Speaker 3: top five in the country, and it might have given
21:47
Speaker 3: a little bit of money back. But I know that
21:48
Speaker 3: first year people were making some money on some money
21:51
Speaker 3: lines throughout there. I know that.
21:53
Speaker 1: I know you're looking at one of them, and it
21:54
Speaker 1: wasn't me.
21:56
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, don't feel too bad, giant. The
21:59
Speaker 2: difference between Rose and regular people as we ride the
22:01
Speaker 2: wave and then we know when they get off, when
22:03
Speaker 2: the public stays on the wave. So no, don't worry, brother,
22:06
Speaker 2: We played both sides. So we love you in every
22:08
Speaker 2: way you can imagine, no doubt appreciate your brother.
22:12
Speaker 3: That's much love.
22:13
Speaker 1: When you're thinking about how much do you actually bet? Now,
22:15
Speaker 1: I know we talked about this. When you look at
22:19
Speaker 1: college especially college football, where I feel like you've got
22:22
Speaker 1: a real advantage in how you think about the game,
22:26
Speaker 1: how much you're actually betting on it.
22:28
Speaker 3: A really good sweat last night. I bet the freaking
22:34
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City money line last night and really got out
22:38
Speaker 3: of that because I was laying a lot of juice
22:41
Speaker 3: and that came down to a testy, little shy bucket
22:46
Speaker 3: there at the end to get me over the hump.
22:49
Speaker 3: But I took the Pelicans in the first round against
22:52
Speaker 3: the Kings. Then I had to fade them last night
22:54
Speaker 3: in Game one, So I probably would have been easier
22:57
Speaker 3: about to just take the plus eight. But I'm getting
23:00
Speaker 3: I'm out here, you know, looking and getting locked in
23:02
Speaker 3: a little bit NBA playoff time. I'm definitely more of
23:06
Speaker 3: a college football better, So you know, once training camp
23:10
Speaker 3: comes around a little bit, I start to do a
23:11
Speaker 3: little research. There's always a lot of value in college
23:15
Speaker 3: football teams, and early in the season if you can
23:18
Speaker 3: pick right and you can get on these right teams
23:21
Speaker 3: that are a little undervalued. Usually it's teams that are
23:23
Speaker 3: lingering around the eleven to twenty five ranked and the
23:27
Speaker 3: a people. If you're in that window, your spreads are
23:29
Speaker 3: going to be a little bit different, and you're going
23:31
Speaker 3: to come out and if your team is good from
23:33
Speaker 3: the year before and it transitions over, you can usually
23:36
Speaker 3: find some value early on in college football season, and
23:38
Speaker 3: like bride those teams for the first three or four
23:41
Speaker 3: games until they get into their bigger games, because there's
23:44
Speaker 3: blowouts on the schedule in college football. And I love
23:46
Speaker 3: nothing more than easy covers, no sweats.
23:50
Speaker 1: Well, brother, if you're bet in NBA playoffs money line
23:55
Speaker 1: and like pals in the first round, like dude, that
24:00
Speaker 1: is that's legit gambling right there. That's around.
24:05
Speaker 3: No, I still got a little bit of like I
24:07
Speaker 3: still I mean, I've lived my life by the gamble.
24:09
Speaker 3: If I'm like, if I'm playing golf in Scottsdale my
24:12
Speaker 3: daily life and I'm playing golf three or four days
24:14
Speaker 3: a week, you know you're not stepping on the course
24:16
Speaker 3: with me for under, you know, two three, four, five
24:18
Speaker 3: hundred bucks, Like that's just what we're going to do.
24:20
Speaker 3: So it translates into the basketball stuff and the football.
24:24
Speaker 3: I mean, betting's here and it's here to stay. And
24:27
Speaker 3: I live in a state like Arizona where it's very
24:28
Speaker 3: easily accessible, and you know, I love it, always have always.
24:34
Speaker 1: Well, where are you on the draft right now? So
24:38
Speaker 1: one of the bigger bets that a lot of people
24:39
Speaker 1: are talking about over four and a half quarterbacks in
24:42
Speaker 1: the first round. Do you have a position on that
24:44
Speaker 1: right now?
24:46
Speaker 3: That's a really good line. I think it's going to
24:48
Speaker 3: come down to how quick they come off. So if
24:52
Speaker 3: you get that that line hits, it has a better chance. Really,
24:57
Speaker 3: another way to look at it is two and a
24:59
Speaker 3: half over the last thirty picks, And that's another kind
25:02
Speaker 3: of way to look at it, because I believe one
25:03
Speaker 3: and two are already locked in with quarterbacks. You know,
25:06
Speaker 3: my class was a year that I thought a lot
25:08
Speaker 3: of quarterbacks would come off the board, and then we
25:10
Speaker 3: really only had two or three in the first I
25:14
Speaker 3: think Teddy ended up going with the last pick of
25:15
Speaker 3: the first so we had three. But it was another
25:18
Speaker 3: like four and a half type of line like that,
25:20
Speaker 3: And I remember like it was yesterday. So if I
25:23
Speaker 3: had to bet on this, I would probably take the
25:26
Speaker 3: over on four and a half going in the first round.
25:29
Speaker 3: It's really right on the button. I think it could
25:31
Speaker 3: be four five wouldn't surprise me. But I think that
25:34
Speaker 3: half a point's going to be a lot sat.
25:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit of a scary bet because
25:41
Speaker 2: it felt easier a month ago we talked about just
25:43
Speaker 2: because it felt like the bow Nix thing was going
25:45
Speaker 2: to happen. Right here, we're kind of like somebody who's
25:46
Speaker 2: going with that fifteen pick or fourteen to Denver. I mean,
25:50
Speaker 2: Denver's been kind of quiet about it. Now. No one
25:52
Speaker 2: knows is Denver the team that's going to sneakily move
25:54
Speaker 2: up to that Patriots position or the number four pick,
25:57
Speaker 2: and they're gonna be the ones that take Drake May
25:59
Speaker 2: or JJ because everyone just penciled into Vikings.
26:01
Speaker 4: So to me, I believe there's going to be five
26:06
Speaker 4: in the first I just not even that.
26:08
Speaker 2: I don't even think bon Nix is worthy of a
26:09
Speaker 2: first round pick, but all on, it takes one team
26:11
Speaker 2: to fall in love with them.
26:12
Speaker 4: But I've stand by with Gianny talked about Penix.
26:14
Speaker 2: It's like Pennix has answered the questions, Like there were
26:17
Speaker 2: so many questions that he shouldn't be a first round pick,
26:20
Speaker 2: and I think he's earned the right. He's moved up
26:23
Speaker 2: from a second round pick to a first round pick
26:24
Speaker 2: to a lot of people I've spoken to, So to me,
26:27
Speaker 2: the minus two hundred minus two fifty, the odds or
26:29
Speaker 2: whatever it is now for the over four and a
26:31
Speaker 2: half quarterbacks. I think it's a fair number just because
26:34
Speaker 2: when the draft comes, teams trying to make the move.
26:37
Speaker 2: I mean, last year the bet didn't come through, but
26:40
Speaker 2: the Titans were trying to move back in to get
26:42
Speaker 2: a quarterback in the first round. Teams just went to
26:44
Speaker 2: trade with So we know that teams do try to
26:47
Speaker 2: make this move. It's all about what other teams want
26:49
Speaker 2: to do. So this fella, like a slam Duncan's going
26:51
Speaker 2: to be a sweat now to me, right if whatever
26:54
Speaker 2: Denver does at that pick fourteen fifteen, now it becomes
26:57
Speaker 2: a sweat because we need to hope for a team
26:59
Speaker 2: to trade back in, and other teams can just come
27:01
Speaker 2: back and sandback teams being like, no, we're not letting
27:03
Speaker 2: you trade back in unless you give us a crazy offer.
27:05
Speaker 2: So I still like the bet, but it definitely not
27:07
Speaker 2: as clear cut clear as it was a couple of
27:09
Speaker 2: months ago.
27:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. I think Jaydon Daniels, Drake May,
27:14
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, and Pendix all deserve probably to go in
27:17
Speaker 3: the first round. Yeah, where's your fifth is it? JJ McCarthy,
27:21
Speaker 3: does he guarantee that he's going to go in the
27:23
Speaker 3: first round. I don't know about that. I wouldn't like
27:25
Speaker 3: putting my money on that that he does for sure,
27:29
Speaker 3: and then bow knicks as well. How do you get
27:31
Speaker 3: to five is really the question when you're talking about
27:33
Speaker 3: that bet, because I would feel really comfortable for how
27:36
Speaker 3: do you get over the hook? Is the real question?
27:39
Speaker 1: Well, if you're if you're the Vikings, are you trading
27:42
Speaker 1: up to get JJ McCarthy. You've got a lot of assets, right,
27:46
Speaker 1: can you package something and get yourself into a quarterback
27:49
Speaker 1: that you truly believe in? You have not been as
27:53
Speaker 1: high on JJ McCarthy. A lot of people are starting
27:56
Speaker 1: to talk about JJ McCarthy all of a sudden. The
27:58
Speaker 1: question on Sports and or Get Up this morning is
28:01
Speaker 1: does JJ McCarthy go top five? Which to me seems insane, right,
28:06
Speaker 1: you know, Johnny, you just talked about sometimes the odds
28:09
Speaker 1: are reflective. As we've been on this podcast. Jayden Daniels
28:14
Speaker 1: is now I think minus three hundred to go number
28:16
Speaker 1: two to Washington. So let's say it is Kayley Williams
28:20
Speaker 1: and Jayden Daniels those are your one and two. Is
28:24
Speaker 1: somebody trading up to get JJ McCarthy and is it
28:26
Speaker 1: the vikings? And would you do it? Three questions in one.
28:31
Speaker 3: Is somebody trading up? I think somebody trades up for
28:34
Speaker 3: a quarterback. I don't think. I don't know necessarily if
28:36
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy is going to be the third one off
28:38
Speaker 3: the board. I would be very, very surprised if that
28:40
Speaker 3: was the case. There's a lot of other talent out there.
28:44
Speaker 3: I think he's, like I said, probably the fifth best
28:47
Speaker 3: quarterback in this class. All it takes is somebody for
28:49
Speaker 3: you to fall in love with the way you are
28:52
Speaker 3: in the building, the way you are in meetings, the
28:54
Speaker 3: way you were in your workout. That's the thing that
28:56
Speaker 3: we on this side of things don't get a chance
28:59
Speaker 3: to see. We have no idea if JJ McCarthy went
29:01
Speaker 3: into his workout with the Raiders and absolutely crushed it
29:06
Speaker 3: so much that whoever is making that pick in Oakland
29:09
Speaker 3: wants them or in Las Vegas wants them. So that's
29:12
Speaker 3: what it comes down to here right now. That's the
29:14
Speaker 3: thing that we don't know about. For all we know.
29:17
Speaker 3: You know, in the way that this NFL system works,
29:19
Speaker 3: they have for an idea. You know what's going to
29:22
Speaker 3: happen in this first round of the draft, Like there's
29:25
Speaker 3: some ebb and flow to it, and there's some craziness.
29:28
Speaker 3: But for the most part, these gms and these coaches
29:31
Speaker 3: know where they want to go, they know where their
29:33
Speaker 3: needs are, they know where their fits are, and they
29:34
Speaker 3: know who their guys are. They only get one. Some
29:37
Speaker 3: teams get two picks in the first but most of
29:40
Speaker 3: the time it's one, and it's a game changing pick
29:42
Speaker 3: where GM's livelihoods are on the line or head coaches
29:47
Speaker 3: livelihoods are on the line. Whoever makes these picks behind
29:50
Speaker 3: the scenes, if you mess it up, you will not
29:53
Speaker 3: be there anymore. And that's the way that this business is.
29:56
Speaker 3: So there's a team that needs a quarterback and they
29:58
Speaker 3: pick the wrong quarterback, heads will roll and that's the
30:01
Speaker 3: nature of this game.
30:02
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the college for a second.
30:06
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw in the documentary sort of there
30:09
Speaker 1: was access to money for you when you were in college.
30:13
Speaker 1: Have you thought about how much money you would make
30:18
Speaker 1: as Johnny Manziel Heisman Trophy winner as a freshman in
30:22
Speaker 1: college right now with nil? Have you done that math?
30:26
Speaker 3: Uh? No, I've never really done the math because I
30:29
Speaker 3: don't think I need as much. Like the question like
30:32
Speaker 3: how much would you to me at this point? Is
30:34
Speaker 3: like I have enough, you know, I have enough doing
30:36
Speaker 3: what I'm doing right now to be fulfilled and be happy.
30:40
Speaker 3: And sometimes in life wanting more and needing more as
30:44
Speaker 3: a mindset that's got me into a little bit of trouble.
30:46
Speaker 3: I think at times, and right now, being content and
30:48
Speaker 3: being happy and having everything that I could potentially or
30:51
Speaker 3: possibly ever really need is fulfillment enough in itself for me.
30:56
Speaker 4: There you go, Johnny, stop living in the past. My
30:58
Speaker 4: man is in the present.
31:01
Speaker 1: Well it's not the wrong answer, it's a really good
31:04
Speaker 1: answer answer, it's a really healthy answer. Yeah, I had
31:09
Speaker 1: I had a buddy the other day. I was complaining
31:12
Speaker 1: about something stupid and he's like, you know what, you're
31:18
Speaker 1: so fucking greedy, like like it couldn't be going better
31:23
Speaker 1: for you and you're you're fucking whining about that extra
31:27
Speaker 1: half percent, Like are you fucking kidding me? So I
31:32
Speaker 1: appreciate the mindset. Meanwhile, I don't know Calen Williams making
31:38
Speaker 1: four to five million bucks a year.
31:40
Speaker 3: You know Williams deserve it. You know he got he
31:42
Speaker 3: got in an arrow where you could go capitalize off
31:45
Speaker 3: your name, image and likeness. And for him, that looks
31:48
Speaker 3: like driving around the Hollywood Hills in a penthouse apartment
31:51
Speaker 3: with his heisman trophany overlooking, you know, the beautiful West
31:54
Speaker 3: Coast and driving around and probably a Porsche and whipping
31:58
Speaker 3: it through the hills and doing whatever you please. So,
32:01
Speaker 3: you know, to each his own on the lifestyle part.
32:03
Speaker 3: And I know right now I'm looking around in Arizona
32:05
Speaker 3: and I'm feeling pretty good about where I'm at and
32:07
Speaker 3: feeling like I have enough. So hopefully we can keep
32:10
Speaker 3: continuing to do some stuff on Action Network and we'll
32:12
Speaker 3: be right the mix forever.
32:13
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Kill Williams, does he have a
32:15
Speaker 2: song called draft Jay who at the very beginning of
32:17
Speaker 2: the Drake song his name's dropped.
32:19
Speaker 3: No, we still got the Drake friendship. We still got
32:22
Speaker 3: good allies out there. Yeah, Draft Day, Johnny Manzil five
32:28
Speaker 3: years later, how I'm out of mass steel Draft Day.
32:32
Speaker 3: I think I got more relationships out of my rise
32:35
Speaker 3: to fame than I did monetary values. But you know,
32:38
Speaker 3: got paid in the end a little bit here and there,
32:40
Speaker 3: but you know, the friendships are forever, for sure.
32:43
Speaker 2: It's funny looking back too. Like you read these I deals,
32:46
Speaker 2: I think a Texas quarterback. One of their deals is
32:48
Speaker 2: they get a private jet, and it's like, damn, Johnny
32:51
Speaker 2: had that before it was even a deal. My man
32:53
Speaker 2: was already taking the PJA before you had.
32:54
Speaker 3: Now I'm working on that with A and M. I
32:56
Speaker 3: need A and M to go ahead and send me
32:57
Speaker 3: a plane everywhere.
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Speaker 1: Kyle Brandt from NFL Network had this great segment that
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Speaker 1: he did on Good Morning Football where early in the process,
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Speaker 1: or maybe it was sometime, you know, at the end
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Speaker 1: of last season, people were asking questions about Caleb Williams'
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Speaker 1: character and it turned out it was all bullshit, and
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Speaker 1: you know, he's everything that everyone thought he was going
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Speaker 1: to be, at least from the reports right. And his
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Speaker 1: comment was, are you kidding me that you're a Heisman
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Speaker 1: Trophy winning quarterback in oh you know what it was.
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Speaker 1: It was people were criticizing him because he painted his
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Speaker 1: fingernails pink, and Kyle Brant was like, are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: You're a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback in la in one
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Speaker 1: of the most cities in the world. You're one of
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Speaker 1: the most recognizable athletes in the city. You are in
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Speaker 1: the nil era and the people the thing people are
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Speaker 1: going after you for.
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Speaker 3: It's a joke.
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Speaker 1: Is your pinion is a joke.
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Speaker 3: It's an absolute joke. The fact that fans and people
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Speaker 3: and pundits think that they can come into somebody's life
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Speaker 3: like that and dictate how they're going to live or
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Speaker 3: what they want them to be is asanate, like in
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Speaker 3: every sense of the word. Like, let the kid, who
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Speaker 3: is genuinely a twenty two to twenty three year old kid,
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Speaker 3: enjoy his life. He's the guy in the mix, going
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Speaker 3: to be the number one pick, going to be a
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Speaker 3: future you know, star in the NFL. Like if he
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Speaker 3: wants to paint his nails, let him paint his fricking nails.
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Speaker 3: If he wants to do or drive or where whatever
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Speaker 3: he wants to do, that's his right and his obligation
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Speaker 3: to be able to do that. So, you know, people
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Speaker 3: are just mad, People are just jealous, and people will
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Speaker 3: point out any single thing they can to try and
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Speaker 3: bring you down. And that's what's happening with Kayleb Williams
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Speaker 3: because if you look at him and you judge him
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Speaker 3: based on his football characteristics, his running is throwing, is jumping,
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Speaker 3: his vision, his football IQ, his film you know, id
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Speaker 3: everything that he's done that you see from my perspective,
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Speaker 3: it's a joke that they have nothing else to rip
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Speaker 3: on him about, so they come out of him for
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Speaker 3: his fingers nuts.
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Speaker 1: All right, I got two more questions for you, Simon.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any other questions right now.
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Speaker 1: I got two more. One as a Chicago Bears fan,
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Speaker 1: you said in some of the franchise videos, how will
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Speaker 1: the How will the Chicago Bears not kill Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1: as a quarterback prospect? The way they have killed every
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Speaker 1: other quarterback prospect from Jim McMahon to Kate McNown to
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Speaker 1: Rex Grossman to Mitch Trubisky. Every single prospect who comes
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Speaker 1: through that building fails. How do the Bears not?
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Speaker 3: Mister Bisky is a double joint away from getting to
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Speaker 3: a really big stage for Chicago quarterbacks, as big as
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Speaker 3: it comes over time. And like I think right now,
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Speaker 3: where the Bears are, you have to have trust in
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Speaker 3: who you put in your head. Coach, who is running
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Speaker 3: the ship, who's riding the ship? Is it the owners?
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Speaker 3: Is it this? Whoever's running this ship in Chicago has
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Speaker 3: to get it right this time. And if they don't
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Speaker 3: once again, heads will roll and they'll start over and
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Speaker 3: this continuous like evolution of going nowhere and finishing in
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Speaker 3: the middle of the pack will continue. So hopefully their
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Speaker 3: leadership and who they have there will mold Caleb Williams
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Speaker 3: into the quarterback that he needs to be, and that
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Speaker 3: comes with making sure their discipline, staying on top of them,
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Speaker 3: making sure he's growing and progressing as a You know,
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Speaker 3: this is a thirty million dollar investment we're talking about here.
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Speaker 3: You know, this isn't a five million dollar free agent
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Speaker 3: guy you bring in on a flyer. This is five
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Speaker 3: years and thirty million, and you know, at least bare
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Speaker 3: minimum three years of your time with a lot of
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Speaker 3: capital and a lot of you know, trading Justin Fields
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Speaker 3: to get him out of there, like now, here's your
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Speaker 3: next guy, and it better be the guy because a
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Speaker 3: lot has rode on this decision. Justin Fields people were
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Speaker 3: still very on the fence about and I think they
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Speaker 3: still are about who he is as a quarterback. But
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people in Chicago. I bet if
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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams doesn't work out, they're going to be screaming
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Speaker 3: and saying a lot of things about Justin Fields. And
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Speaker 3: what was up with that whole situation. So they made
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Speaker 3: their decision on that. Now they're going to make their
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Speaker 3: decision here, and it's about how they groom him and
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Speaker 3: how they allow him to be his best self. And
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Speaker 3: if they allow him to be his best self, they'll flourish,
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Speaker 3: and if they don't, they'll struggle. And you'll see it
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Speaker 3: through Caleb's body. With Caleb's body language to the first
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Speaker 3: three or four weeks of the season, you'll know how
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Speaker 3: things are going in Chicago, just based off how media
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Speaker 3: reports are.
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Speaker 1: All Right, brother, before we get out of here, assigmon,
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Speaker 1: did you want to ask something?
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Speaker 2: No, just gonna piggyback off what he's talking about. That
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Speaker 2: just the fact that I, honestly, I just can't see
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Speaker 2: Williams being a miss like the Bears, not that they're
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Speaker 2: getting a lay up here, but like they're a bad franchise.
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Speaker 2: I think we all can agree in many ways. But
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Speaker 2: what they're great at is they're a great at staying consistent.
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Speaker 2: They're always consistent, right, no matter what. This team is
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Speaker 2: never usually the worst team in the league.
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Speaker 4: Right. It took a miracle for them to even have
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Speaker 4: the number one pick.
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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago and he's literally stepping into
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Speaker 2: a team I believe had seven wins last year Williams.
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Speaker 2: So just picking back on he said, like, if we're
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Speaker 2: back here next year, all talking and he broke a
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Speaker 2: Bears record slash curse a four thousand yards.
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Speaker 4: As much I want to be shocked by it, I.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't be, just because that's the expectations are that high
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Speaker 2: for Williams. And that's the amount of talent they have
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Speaker 2: right now. Where if they do get you know, all
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Speaker 2: Joe alt here in the first round with the tenth pick,
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Speaker 2: now they have a good offensive line with a guy
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Speaker 2: they took last year in their first round, it's like
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Speaker 2: they have two stud receivers. It's all there for Williams here.
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Speaker 2: So Williams is about to be in the same situation
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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence is in Trevor Lawrence, he is going to
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Speaker 2: start hearing a ton of noise after this, after especially
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Speaker 2: going to this upcoming season. So just just the compsolet
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Speaker 2: Teaham is there where. It's like Andrew Luck most guys
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Speaker 2: haded him great out of one hundred is a ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: Most people had Trevor Lawrence great as a ninety eight
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Speaker 2: ninety nine. Caleb Williams is great at A ninety eight.
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Speaker 2: So I do agree with the giant saying your fit
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Speaker 2: is important.
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Speaker 4: It fit.
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Speaker 2: What he said earlier will not matter with Caleb. Caleb
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Speaker 2: can play on all thirty two teams and he should
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Speaker 2: at some point paying out. He's that gifted. So yeah, Chad,
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Speaker 2: my thing to you is just you've hit the jackpot, like.
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Speaker 3: I just can't go down the course.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, stay the course exactly.
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Speaker 1: All right. So let me ask you, Simon. You and
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Speaker 1: I are going to dig deeper on this on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: So I want to ask Johnny this question. Yeah, give
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Speaker 1: me your first round quarterbacks taken and the teams that
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Speaker 1: will take them. Assume there's no more trades. Assume this
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Speaker 1: is the order. Who's going where? From just from a
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Speaker 1: quarterback perspective, in the first round.
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Speaker 3: I think you go Caleb Chicago, and you go Jaden
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Speaker 3: to Washington. That's the first That's the first two that
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Speaker 3: go right away. I would really think, based on what
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Speaker 3: we're hearing things like that, I think Drake May would
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Speaker 3: end up in Minnesota, and then I could see Panics
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Speaker 3: going to the Raiders. I could see him going to
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Speaker 3: New England. And you just kind of look at some
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Speaker 3: of these places. New England's at three, they do they
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Speaker 3: stay there. If they think he's going to be there,
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Speaker 3: they trade back, So you know, I could see him
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Speaker 3: going there. I don't know what the Giants are going
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Speaker 3: to do. That's a really big question mark of what's
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Speaker 3: going on right now. Do they believe and Daniel Jones?
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Speaker 3: Do they want to try and bring the competition in.
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Speaker 3: Are they willing to put the sixth pick of the
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Speaker 3: draft on it? If they do, they better be right
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Speaker 3: because I know there's fans in New York that are
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Speaker 3: tired of being mediocre as well. So I would go
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Speaker 3: Kelob Chicago, Jaden two, Washington, Pennix two. I like him
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Speaker 3: in New England. I love him in New England. And
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Speaker 3: then let's go JJ McCarthy and Denver, Drake May and Minnesota.
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Speaker 3: And I think looking at the tail end of the draft,
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Speaker 3: you could fit bot Nicks somebody in maybe trading back
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Speaker 3: up to get a quarterback after picking you know, another
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Speaker 3: skill player, and I think that could round out you know,
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Speaker 3: your top five or six, and that's how six quarterbacks
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Speaker 3: go in the first round. You'll know if one and
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Speaker 3: two go quarterback it's going to be a quarterback heavy
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Speaker 3: draft class, and you're going to see a lot of trades.
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Speaker 3: You're going to see a lot of movement, and you know,
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Speaker 3: I think some of these teams are content with where
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Speaker 3: their second round picks are to maybe go get that
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Speaker 3: offensive linement, maybe go get that receiver, Maybe go get
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Speaker 3: a Marvin Harrison junior, and then come back in with
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Speaker 3: another pick and take one of these quarterbacks late in
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Speaker 3: the first round. Wouldn't surprise me whatsoever.
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