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The Andrea Canning Interview: D4VD, Rex Heuermann & Gabby Petito · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
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Speaker 1: will be your host today Emily Smson along with Shane Shane. Okay, today,
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Speaker 1: I'm super excited because we have a very special guest
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Speaker 1: who's going to come on and we're going to have
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Speaker 1: a fun conversation about true crime with the one and
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Speaker 1: only Andrea Canning. I feel like she doesn't really need
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Speaker 1: an introduction, but we'll give her one.
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Speaker 2: Out of respect. Out of respect background.
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Speaker 1: We're going to give her background. Andrea Canning is an
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Speaker 1: American journalist and longtime correspondent for NBC's Dateline. She joined
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Speaker 1: ABC News back in two thousand and six, contributing to
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Speaker 1: Good Morning America and to twenty twenty, then moved to
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Speaker 1: NBC's Dateline in twenty twelve, where she's become one of
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Speaker 1: the show's most recognizable faces, reporting on true crime investigations
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Speaker 1: and Hi. Whenever I say high profile, I always say
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Speaker 1: ho first. I always want to say I don't know, it's.
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Speaker 2: Just from your home down. Everyone just called each other
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Speaker 2: hope profile.
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Speaker 1: Instead of high profile. My first inclination is always to
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Speaker 1: say hope profile.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like a body count, Like what's your body count?
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Speaker 2: But she's got she's got a pretty good hope.
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Speaker 1: What's your hope profile? All right, let me say that again.
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Speaker 1: She reports on true crime investigations and high profile interviews.
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Speaker 1: Hi Andrea, Hey, Hi, how are you good?
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Speaker 3: How are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm good? Well, thank you so much for coming on legally,
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Speaker 1: Brunette again, we appreciate it. So let's go through some cases,
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Speaker 1: I because I always love your opinion on everything, and
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Speaker 1: let's just talk about some of these things that have
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Speaker 1: been popping up in the media lately. First of all,
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Speaker 1: it's the David Burke and Celesarevas case. And every time
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Speaker 1: I always make fun of myself when Shane makes fun
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Speaker 1: of me too, that my news comes from Instagram, So
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Speaker 1: every time I go through my Instagram, it's always David.
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Speaker 1: I had never heard of him before. Had you ever
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Speaker 1: heard of him as a as a singer, artist talent?
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Speaker 3: And I had not.
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Speaker 4: No, He's very much like social media driven, so I
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Speaker 4: feel it was like younger people, because that's really how
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Speaker 4: he made his name in the first place, was.
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Speaker 1: Through social media media, right, right, So let's just give
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Speaker 1: a little bit of background on this case just for
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Speaker 1: our listeners. So Celeste Revs Rnandez was a fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old girl from Lake Elsinore, California, whose remains were discovered
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Speaker 1: back on September eighth, twenty twenty five, in the front trunk,
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Speaker 1: which is the fronk of an impounded tesla in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors alleged that David first met Celeste when she was
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Speaker 1: only eleven years old and began a sexual relationship with
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Speaker 1: her when she was thirteen. He was arrested in charge
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Speaker 1: back in April of twenty twenty six with first degree murder.
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Speaker 1: This is something I didn't know about this case. The
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Speaker 1: case was cracked by a towyard worker following a foul
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Speaker 1: smell that was coming from that tesla that was impounded,
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Speaker 1: and then that was how the body was discovered. Now,
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Speaker 1: as a mother, how does an eleven year old end
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Speaker 1: up in a relationship, That's what I want to know.
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Speaker 3: I know, the whole thing is really disturbing and sad
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Speaker 3: this case.
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Speaker 4: But apparently she had run away from home, you know before,
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Speaker 4: and they prosecutors say, these two met online, David and Celeste,
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Speaker 4: and they started this, you know, some kind of a relationship.
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Speaker 4: Maybe it started as a friendship and then I guess
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Speaker 4: she had like been hanging out with him, and the
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Speaker 4: parents had actually reported it that she was missing, and
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Speaker 4: they brought her home and they took her phone away
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Speaker 4: and all that they were trying to do these you know,
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Speaker 4: parental things. And then so prosecutors say that David paid
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Speaker 4: one of her classmates, a seventh grade classmate, one thousand
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Speaker 4: dollars to get her a phone.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 4: And so the phone gets to her, they start communicating again.
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Speaker 4: Then she runs away from home again, and she actually
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Speaker 4: was traveling with him.
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Speaker 3: So she was like going to places where he was
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Speaker 3: performing and whatnot.
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Speaker 4: The parents like reported it again, and then finally she
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Speaker 4: just goes missing and that's the last time, you know,
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Speaker 4: anyone ever saw her.
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Speaker 3: That was April twenty twenty five. Wow.
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Speaker 2: How old is he He's.
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Speaker 3: In his early twenties.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, early twenties, so I assume maybe eighteen nineteen anything
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Speaker 1: at the time.
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Speaker 4: It's it's when you hear seventh grader, right, Like it's
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Speaker 4: I have a sixth grader and an eighth grader.
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Speaker 1: Well, we have a seventh grader and you have a
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Speaker 1: seventh grader.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like it's so disturbing that this seventh grader
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Speaker 4: would be hanging out with this musician, and that's prosecutors say,
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Speaker 4: that's you know, that's part of the motive here, right,
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Speaker 4: is that she was about to expose him, that they
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Speaker 4: were in this sexual relationship, and so that actually goes
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Speaker 4: into his charges. Is that that case as well kind
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Speaker 4: of you know, ties into this first degree murder charge
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Speaker 4: is capital.
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Speaker 3: Murder charge, right right?
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Speaker 1: It was obviously and I know the evidence against him
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Speaker 1: what we've talked about previously. It's so disturbing to me
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Speaker 1: how someone first of all, murders in the first place,
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Speaker 1: but then orders the you know, inflatable or the bathtub,
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Speaker 1: the pool, the plastic pool, the two chainsaws, and then
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Speaker 1: allegedly dismembers the body and the garage or something to
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Speaker 1: that effect. And then, yes, I it's so horrific to
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Speaker 1: me how people want murder. But then when there's cases
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Speaker 1: that we've done where it comes to dismembering, like what
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Speaker 1: was the case where the woman dismembered her the suitcase
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Speaker 1: one the suitcase murderer. Yes, I cannot even fathom how
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Speaker 1: someone does that, Like that woman dismembered her husband in
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Speaker 1: the house. I guess what the kids like in bed
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Speaker 1: or something and put him in the suitcase that takes,
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Speaker 1: that takes a really special type of person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just working with like chicken cutlets at night, it's
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Speaker 2: kind of gross. I can't imagine literally cutting up every
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Speaker 2: thing and having what is it, like hundred pounds of meat.
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Speaker 4: Right, David Burke, you know, he goes by David like
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Speaker 4: we should say, like D four v D. You know,
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Speaker 4: it's like how people know him on me to get
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Speaker 4: you know, David Burke. He's pleaded not guilty to to
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Speaker 4: this crime, these crimes, you know, all the all of
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Speaker 4: these allegations, but apparently he had some alter ego that
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Speaker 4: was like a Japanese alter ego that meant pain or something,
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Speaker 4: and so he has this sort of like something going on.
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Speaker 2: In his from sto masochistic kind.
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Speaker 4: Of maybe maybe not that he's said, but like you
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Speaker 4: know that given the allegations, I don't know, it's just
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Speaker 4: it's a really messed up story. Like it's just it's
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Speaker 4: it's a difficult. This one's particularly.
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Speaker 3: Disturbing, it really is. You know. Also, I have on
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Speaker 3: here David's own.
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Speaker 1: Fans dissected his lyrics, social media history, and fan interactions
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Speaker 1: and order to build a digital timeline you know, and
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Speaker 1: I know this happens now. There's so many times that
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Speaker 1: even with you know, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, how
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Speaker 1: social media content makers, they become embedded in these cases
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Speaker 1: and they become helpful. Actually, and I was wondering, I know,
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Speaker 1: you do you know all the cases and the research.
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Speaker 1: Do you have people that reach out to you and
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Speaker 1: give you information at all? Or are you do you
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Speaker 1: build a wall with that?
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Speaker 3: We sort of we.
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Speaker 4: We have a lot of people who reach out and say,
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Speaker 4: please cover this case, you know, please cover the case
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Speaker 4: or did you all see this, you know in this case.
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Speaker 4: So we do have people, you know, sending us stuff,
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Speaker 4: which and we we have a social media team that
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Speaker 4: reads everything. So we encourage people to send us stuff.
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Speaker 4: We look at it, you know, where their comments, We
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Speaker 4: look into their cases that they send. We're always happy
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Speaker 4: to have our viewers and listeners send us things.
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Speaker 3: For sure, right yeah, yeah, And you know.
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Speaker 4: People are becoming really good salutes as we know online, right,
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Speaker 4: I mean it kind of like really I feel like
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Speaker 4: Gabby Patito was when that sort of really took off,
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Speaker 4: and it's kind of been like that ever since.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys feel that way.
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Speaker 1: But well, you know what, that's interesting. I was actually
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Speaker 1: thinking about Gabby Patito earlier because I knew I was
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Speaker 1: going to talk to you, And sometimes I like to
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Speaker 1: just ask you about cases that we've gone through, because
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Speaker 1: we've done a ton of cases. Obviously not as many
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Speaker 1: as you have over your career, but there's certain cases
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Speaker 1: that just stand out in my mind, you know when
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Speaker 1: you what I was saying earlier, like when you lay
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Speaker 1: your head down to sleep at night, like what kind
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Speaker 1: of goes through your head? Gabby Patito is one of
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Speaker 1: those that just kind of just has always stuck with me.
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Speaker 1: I don't know the social media aspect of it, but
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Speaker 1: what was what was that was.
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Speaker 2: There was something a social media presence, didn't she she did.
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Speaker 1: Because she was flogging right while they were going on
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Speaker 1: their broad Yeah, and things like.
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Speaker 4: That, right, people online just kind of went crazy with
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Speaker 4: theories and looking videos and looking at posts and you know,
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Speaker 4: trying to solve things right. And I feel like now
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Speaker 4: every time there's like a big case now people like
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Speaker 4: the Idaho you know, college murders.
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Speaker 3: You know, people.
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Speaker 4: Just they notice things in videos or posts or you know, yeah,
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Speaker 4: like I think people are sort of like consider themselves
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Speaker 4: to be kind of amateur sluice snow yeah, which.
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Speaker 3: Is not a bad thing.
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Speaker 4: I mean, as long as it doesn't hinder a police investigation.
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Speaker 4: I don't think it can hurt at all for people
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Speaker 4: to be looking for things, right.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: You know what else I might take away from Gabby
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Speaker 1: Patito was and I think maybe this is why it
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Speaker 1: keeps me up, and also because I have children. That
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Speaker 1: pivotal moment, I think is when she was pulled over
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Speaker 1: by the cops when they were going through a moab
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Speaker 1: and then you know, the people were calling and the
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Speaker 1: witnesses called the police and said they saw, you know,
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Speaker 1: a young girl looked like she was being hit or
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Speaker 1: something on the side of the road, and then the
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Speaker 1: cops pull them over. I think this case sticks with
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Speaker 1: me because to me, that was the moment where Gabby
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Speaker 1: would still be with us if just there was a
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Speaker 1: split second decision that somebody just did something differently in
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Speaker 1: that moment. And it's so sad to think that it
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Speaker 1: could have just been completely different.
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Speaker 2: And there was opportunity to do so, there was opportunity.
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Speaker 4: Well if you remember so that her family is saying
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Speaker 4: the same thing, right, and if you remember the police
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Speaker 4: did separate them. They did, you know, one went to
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Speaker 4: a hotel, one stayed in whatever their their vehicle was, right,
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Speaker 4: But you know that's part of the family's lawsuit is
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Speaker 4: that you know, this wasn't handled like the way it
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Speaker 4: was supposed to be handled, right.
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Speaker 1: I just right, Like if just one of those police
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Speaker 1: officers said, hey, why don't you call your parents or something,
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Speaker 1: just that.
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Speaker 3: Would have helped a lot.
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Speaker 4: Actually, if I know, if a call had been made
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Speaker 4: to a parent, that would have been huge. Now I
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Speaker 4: don't I'm not saying that's part of the police protocol
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Speaker 4: or anything. It's I have no idea, but that could
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Speaker 4: have been a game changer. You were so dead on
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Speaker 4: with that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because you know, I just know if Shane got
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Speaker 1: a phone call from one of his daughters that said, hey,
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Speaker 1: we had this altercation and the police are here and
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Speaker 1: she's crying and she's upset, he would be in his
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Speaker 1: car within seconds and he would drive to her.
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Speaker 4: And the other thing too, is that it would have
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Speaker 4: put Brian laundry unnotice right.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: So, Now, if a parent is aware that something has happened,
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Speaker 4: are you.
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Speaker 3: You know, going to do something bad?
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Speaker 4: Maybe not right, Maybe now you're going to think, you know,
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Speaker 4: you're gonna think twice.
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Speaker 1: So when we were talking about David, I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of the reason that they were able to figure
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Speaker 1: out who it was, put all this together, and able
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Speaker 1: to charge him is that he has such a digital footprint,
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Speaker 1: which is what is so interesting, even with Brian Coberger
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Speaker 1: and the knife and now, the digital forensic footprint is
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Speaker 1: such an I don't know if it's easy, but.
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Speaker 2: Such an a even all the way down to his car,
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Speaker 2: right Tesla. I don't know if they've done anything but that,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure many cars do, but at least as
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Speaker 2: Tesla will document all the places he's been, the activity
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Speaker 2: even opening and closing the trunks. Oh, that's all. It
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Speaker 2: should be all documented in the OBED two or EDR
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Speaker 2: sensors right right right.
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Speaker 1: And so Andrew, what's your take on that. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you've seen the evolution of evidence just kind of because
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Speaker 1: you've been in this game for so long now. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure the cases that you're doing now when it comes
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Speaker 1: to forensics and digital evidence and all those types of things,
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Speaker 1: it's completely different than it was back in the.
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Speaker 4: Day too, even from like I started at dayline fourteen
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Speaker 4: years ago, and I can't believe, you know, just even
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Speaker 4: my time at the show, how things have changed.
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Speaker 3: It's amazing.
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Speaker 4: I always think about, like, it's amazing how people keep
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Speaker 4: committing murders because it's so hard to get away with
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Speaker 4: stuff now, you know.
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Speaker 3: It's like it's almost like.
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Speaker 4: You're damned if you do your damned if you don't. Don't,
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Speaker 4: like if you turn your phone off, then that's.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. It's almost like if you try to plan
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Speaker 2: a murder, you're actually just creating a lot more evident
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Speaker 2: because they're searching, they're driving around, they're taking photos or
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, or making texts and phone calls, and
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Speaker 2: it's all documented.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like through you know, genealogy, through like the DNA advance,
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Speaker 4: that's right, cell towers, you your Google history or whatever.
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Speaker 4: They can Literally I did a case where they had
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Speaker 4: the killer within like feet of where this body was found,
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Speaker 4: like through his Google like imprint, you.
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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: That's not how they got him to where the body
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Speaker 4: was found. It's just getting so hard now to do anything.
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Speaker 4: I think that's why people, some people, you know, try
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Speaker 4: the pushing off a cliff or the.
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Speaker 2: Bat right situation school murders, right.
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Speaker 4: I mean, because some of the other ones are very like,
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Speaker 4: it's just hard now because investigators are really on top
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Speaker 4: of it, you know, and something happens and and I
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Speaker 4: still don't get the people who do Google Google searches
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Speaker 4: like how to what's the best way to bury a body?
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Speaker 3: Or what poison stays in someone's system?
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Speaker 2: For like why are you get insurance proceeds if I
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Speaker 2: kill my husband?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 3: I mean, now we could get away with it because yeah.
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Speaker 4: Right, I would be like I was just researching absantly researching, right,
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Speaker 4: Like the average person should not be researching all of
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Speaker 4: these things, right, So it definitely, you know, is very
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Speaker 4: eye catching for investigators when there's like anomalies with your
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Speaker 4: phone or you're searching weird things or you know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I did one case. Have you guys heard
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Speaker 3: of the Parabon labs.
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Speaker 4: This is fascinating, This may jog your memory, But I
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Speaker 4: did one case where the perpetrator was attacking a teenager
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Speaker 4: and the mom walked in. He ran out the back,
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Speaker 4: through the kitchen, went through a window. He left one
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Speaker 4: drop of blood. They used that blood. They sent it
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Speaker 4: off to this parabond lab where they can take your DNA.
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Speaker 4: I actually did it myself anonymously for the story. What
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Speaker 4: it does is it put prints out a picture of
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Speaker 4: the owner of that DNA, so the person attached to
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Speaker 4: that DNA of when they were twenty one, what they
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Speaker 4: would most likely look like.
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Speaker 1: Really, that's fascinating.
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Speaker 4: It can give your race, It can give your eye color,
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Speaker 4: your hair color, all these things. And then the investigators
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Speaker 4: can so's it's at twenty one, but they can if
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Speaker 4: they think the suspect might be older, they can you know,
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Speaker 4: you know, make the person bold, or they can put
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Speaker 4: ad wrinkles or whatever. And when they showed me once,
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Speaker 4: we revealed like, you know, because I sent it anonymously,
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Speaker 4: but that we revealed like it was me, and they
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Speaker 4: showed it to me in shock at how much this
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Speaker 4: picture look like me. And this is the really kind
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Speaker 4: of scary part is that I have a yellow ring
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Speaker 4: around my pupil. The picture that came out had a
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Speaker 4: yellow ring around the pupil.
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Speaker 3: That it was crazy.
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Speaker 2: Your botox and fillers and all the work you've had
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Speaker 2: done though.
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Speaker 1: Well, whatever picture comes out, and then I could say, okay,
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Speaker 1: now I've gone I've done all of these things, so
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Speaker 1: please enhance it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And you know what else we should mention too really
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Speaker 3: quickly is AI.
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Speaker 4: I've done a couple of segments now on Daylin Try
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Speaker 4: Crime Weekly about AI and law enforcement and how they're
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Speaker 4: using artificial intelligence now with crime solving. I mean it's
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Speaker 4: like Minority Report, you know, is that coming? Like remember
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Speaker 4: that Tom Cruise movie.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see that, did you.
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Speaker 2: It's a long time ago, but I recall it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like predicting murders and using you know, it's
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Speaker 4: it's a very interesting movie.
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Speaker 2: It's funny how TV always predicts the future, right, all
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Speaker 2: these movies. It does, you know, because they kind of
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Speaker 2: see where it's going. It's just a matter of where
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Speaker 2: the technology catches up. And in this case, it's kind
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Speaker 2: of we're getting there now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Also, I don't think ordering again David has pled not guilty,
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Speaker 4: But I don't know that ordering two chainsaws and shove a.
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Speaker 2: Body bag that's new meaning to a murder kid.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, let's give him a little bit
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Speaker 1: of credit. I do believe he used a different name
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Speaker 1: when he made the order. But again, it's all going
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Speaker 1: to be tracked back. And why to chainsaws one runs
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Speaker 1: out of gas? I guess are they.
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Speaker 4: By the way, because I like to button everything up,
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Speaker 4: we should attribute that to l A prosecutors. All of
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Speaker 4: that information came from the court docs and the press conference.
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Speaker 1: From the proctors, right exactly, So, yes, attribution is very important, Yes, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to just another case that's
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Speaker 1: been coming up recently. We did an episode on this earlier.
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Speaker 1: This is the rex Hureman case. This is the Long
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Speaker 1: Island architect that was recently arrested for being a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: Rex Hureman was a Long Island architect who abducted and
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Speaker 1: murdered women over a span of nearly two decades. He
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Speaker 1: became the prime suspect in the long unsolved Gilgo Beach murders,
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Speaker 1: in which the remains of multiple women were discovered along
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Speaker 1: Ocean Parkway on Long Island beginning back in December of
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Speaker 1: twenty ten. He was arrested pretty recently, back in July
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, when there was a renewed task
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Speaker 1: force and they used cell phone data vehicle records in
18:51
Speaker 1: DNA from a discarded pizza to link him to the case.
18:55
Speaker 1: Now just recently. This was back on April eighth of
18:57
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Heureman pleaded to murdering seven women between
19:02
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three and twenty ten, and additionally admitted to
19:07
Speaker 1: killing an eighth victim. His sentencing is scheduled for June seventeenth,
19:12
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, where victims' families are expected to deliver
19:16
Speaker 1: impact statements. Now did twenty did you? Did you guys
19:19
Speaker 1: cover this?
19:20
Speaker 3: Yeah?
19:20
Speaker 4: I did a two hour date line on it, and
19:22
Speaker 4: also I covered it back in the day for Good
19:25
Speaker 4: Morning America and World News tonight.
19:27
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so you have a full global and now
19:31
Speaker 1: you're covering Brunette.
19:33
Speaker 2: Right, congratulation, Just moving up.
19:37
Speaker 4: I have been on this case for a very long time,
19:41
Speaker 4: and we interviewed a lot of people who knew rex Hu,
19:44
Speaker 4: were men who worked with him, who were shocked, you know,
19:46
Speaker 4: by this, and yeah, get this. He actually had a
19:48
Speaker 4: nickname at work. Take it how you will. Some of
19:52
Speaker 4: his colleagues called him sexy Rexy.
19:55
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I don't know how to take that. I'm right,
19:59
Speaker 1: I'm just going to put that in my pocket and
20:01
Speaker 1: think about that later.
20:03
Speaker 3: Yeah he can, Yeah you can.
20:05
Speaker 2: We'll talk about tonight.
20:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that tonight. What are your thoughts
20:09
Speaker 1: on his sentencing. Do you have any I mean, I
20:11
Speaker 1: assume he's going to get what what's the it's long
20:13
Speaker 1: eyes New York, so they have death.
20:16
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's even on the table. This
20:20
Speaker 4: is a plea deal. So he is never going to
20:22
Speaker 4: see the light of day. He will be in prison
20:25
Speaker 4: for the rest of his life. But what's really what
20:26
Speaker 4: what was so interesting that came out of this deal
20:29
Speaker 4: was that he is says he's going to work with
20:32
Speaker 4: the FBI, so they'll be able to like analyze his
20:36
Speaker 4: thoughts and I'll.
20:37
Speaker 2: Learn from his psycho think.
20:40
Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting. He's like I learned from like a
20:42
Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter, however you want to say it, or who
20:50
Speaker 1: was another one? It was who's a serial the good
20:54
Speaker 1: looking serial killer? Bundy didn't work with the FBI.
20:58
Speaker 3: I feel like he did.
21:00
Speaker 4: You know there was that show mind Hunters, you know,
21:02
Speaker 4: where they it was based on like a truth, wasn't
21:04
Speaker 4: it based on true stories working like various serial killers
21:10
Speaker 4: to learn from them, and they.
21:11
Speaker 3: They called them what was it? The initial name of
21:13
Speaker 3: a serial killer was sequence killers.
21:16
Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't and.
21:17
Speaker 3: Then it had like changed. It was something like that
21:19
Speaker 3: and something like that. It was, I can't, Yeah, it was.
21:24
Speaker 4: It eventually changed to Serial Killers as we know it now,
21:27
Speaker 4: but it had a different name initially.
21:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:30
Speaker 1: My thoughts on Rex Heroin would be that I feel
21:32
Speaker 1: like the bodies that were discovered and then and what
21:35
Speaker 1: he was actually charged with and convicted, I assume there's
21:39
Speaker 1: many many more bodies out there that were just unaware of.
21:44
Speaker 4: I mean, there absolutely could be like we don't and
21:46
Speaker 4: there are more that haven't been identified or that Rex
21:49
Speaker 4: has been connected to, you know, so there's there's other
21:52
Speaker 4: bodies that they found. It was scary though, I mean,
21:54
Speaker 4: it was just it felt like it was just one
21:56
Speaker 4: after the.
21:56
Speaker 3: Next, you know. I mean when when the news came
21:59
Speaker 3: out that it was Rex hereman architect in Midtown.
22:02
Speaker 4: Manhattan, I was shocked, Like I was not expecting that.
22:09
Speaker 4: And it really comes down to this that one big clue.
22:13
Speaker 4: It was the green Chevy avalanche. It was the avalanche, right,
22:18
Speaker 4: and it was they knew about this avalanche from very
22:21
Speaker 4: early on because someone had said a witness said that
22:25
Speaker 4: when Amber Costello she goes missing, someone says that they
22:29
Speaker 4: saw this green avalanche in her driveway and there was
22:33
Speaker 4: a man who was ogre looking about six foot four
22:38
Speaker 4: and the tip just kind of fell through the cracks.
22:41
Speaker 4: And then when they started this new task force, they
22:43
Speaker 4: were like, hey, you know, we need to look into
22:46
Speaker 4: this green avalanche, you know, and who was it registered
22:50
Speaker 4: during that time? And lo and behold it was Rex hereman,
22:54
Speaker 4: you know. So that was like a huge moment, Like
22:57
Speaker 4: the phone data was huge, the Chovy avalanche was huge.
23:01
Speaker 4: Then it led them, you know, to the pizza that
23:03
Speaker 4: they you know, he tossed the pizza, which then connected
23:06
Speaker 4: prosecutors say to the hair, the hairs that were found
23:10
Speaker 4: you know, in and around the bodies, because it wasn't
23:12
Speaker 4: and it was not just Rex's hair, but it was
23:14
Speaker 4: also his wife, who has not been charged in this
23:17
Speaker 4: in any way and that she has not participated, but
23:20
Speaker 4: you know transference right like DNA, like her hair was
23:23
Speaker 4: found because.
23:25
Speaker 1: I believe did he not take the bodies back to
23:27
Speaker 1: his home? And is that I believe that's where the
23:29
Speaker 1: murder took place in the home.
23:32
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not sure I would work that, yeah,
23:37
Speaker 4: but now I can't.
23:37
Speaker 3: I can't remember if that was.
23:38
Speaker 4: But he had that room and in the base house,
23:41
Speaker 4: in the basement, and we interviewed the woman who told
23:44
Speaker 4: us about Sexy Rexity. She had actually been in his
23:47
Speaker 4: house because he wanted to do a remodel, and so
23:50
Speaker 4: she had gone in there and said that there was
23:52
Speaker 4: one room he wouldn't let her go in in the basement.
23:55
Speaker 4: Was yeah. Well, and the other thing that was so
23:58
Speaker 4: creepy about that, how is if you go to Massapequa Park,
24:02
Speaker 4: which I have been for my show, the house is
24:06
Speaker 4: so bizarre looking. It's like a beautiful neighborhood, manicured lawns,
24:12
Speaker 4: nice houses, and then there's this red like shack like elabilators.
24:17
Speaker 3: Right, he's an architect, I know. It was just such
24:21
Speaker 3: a bizarre house in the middle of all these nice houses.
24:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do remember that. I remember the way the
24:28
Speaker 1: house was run down. I think the inside is run down.
24:31
Speaker 1: It was never remodeled since it was built and I
24:33
Speaker 1: don't know, in the fifties or sixties or whatever. Yeah,
24:36
Speaker 1: And you know, Rex, that's the biggest mistake Rex who
24:39
Speaker 1: were been made was the avalanche, Because if he drove
24:42
Speaker 1: a Toyota Camry, he'd probably still be out there committing
24:46
Speaker 1: murders right now. It's the avalanche and the fact that
24:48
Speaker 1: not only was it an avalanche, but it's a green avalanche,
24:52
Speaker 1: very distinguishable, right.
24:54
Speaker 3: And also the.
24:55
Speaker 4: Witness was able to say that it was a first
24:57
Speaker 4: generation avalanche, right.
25:01
Speaker 3: And then he gave the car.
25:02
Speaker 4: He transferred the ownership to his brother in South Carolina
25:06
Speaker 4: who still had the avalanche.
25:08
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So the police went and got it and
25:10
Speaker 3: brought it back to New York. Wow.
25:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's such such an interesting case. Who was
25:14
Speaker 1: the very first victim that we still don't know is Shannon?
25:18
Speaker 3: Right? Shannon Gilbert? Right? Gilbert?
25:21
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? Do you think she was
25:23
Speaker 1: an actual victim of Rex? Or do you think she
25:25
Speaker 1: just somehow fits into this? Because I know she had
25:29
Speaker 1: she was a you know, an escort or call girl
25:31
Speaker 1: or something. She had had a client that night. She'd
25:33
Speaker 1: run out of the house and then they found her
25:36
Speaker 1: body later. But they but that's what led to Rex.
25:39
Speaker 1: But I don't know, what is your take on that?
25:41
Speaker 1: Do you think she's actually one of his victims?
25:44
Speaker 4: I don't know, because like it certainly sparked, you know,
25:48
Speaker 4: the like the search for Shannon right, you know, sparked
25:51
Speaker 4: like all of these other bodies being found and whatnot.
25:54
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, like it's really hard to say.
25:57
Speaker 4: Remember how creepy the nine one one call was me, Yes.
26:01
Speaker 1: She screamed and ran and then went to the neighbors
26:04
Speaker 1: and hid behind the boat.
26:05
Speaker 4: She just banging on doors and yeah, I mean he
26:09
Speaker 4: did live in that area, like he didn't live there.
26:13
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
26:14
Speaker 4: I maybe my gut tells me it might be somebody else,
26:18
Speaker 4: just given that she was at another person. She was
26:20
Speaker 4: at a man named Joseph Brewer's house that night, and
26:24
Speaker 4: he has denied having anything to do with.
26:27
Speaker 3: You know, her death.
26:29
Speaker 4: It would be interesting to know for sure, like who
26:32
Speaker 4: killed her up or you know, I think it was
26:35
Speaker 4: didn't they say that the police that maybe she just
26:37
Speaker 4: she was drowned, like she was cold.
26:40
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah, I believe that was what the
26:43
Speaker 1: medical examiner said because I but she was found with
26:46
Speaker 1: like her like naked.
26:47
Speaker 3: I believe, like.
26:48
Speaker 1: Her pants were down around her ankles, and so maybe.
26:52
Speaker 4: No one, Like it's possible that no one killed her,
26:56
Speaker 4: you know, that this was not a herd.
26:57
Speaker 3: It's definitely possible.
26:59
Speaker 2: What was the connection into sexy rexy? Well, what was it?
27:03
Speaker 2: Was the area like that, you know, kind of the
27:05
Speaker 2: mass of peak just kind of this flagged the area
27:08
Speaker 2: for them to kind of comb through.
27:10
Speaker 4: Well, it's what led to the finding these other bodies, right,
27:14
Speaker 4: because they were searching in her and they start stumbling
27:17
Speaker 4: on all these other bodies that then eventually, you know,
27:20
Speaker 4: connect to Rex. But they've the police have never you know,
27:25
Speaker 4: connected like officially Rex to Shannon.
27:28
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just interesting how she ended up in
27:31
Speaker 1: the same area. Really, the question is, and this is
27:34
Speaker 1: the other thing things like this that keep me up
27:35
Speaker 1: at night, is what happened inside that house that made
27:38
Speaker 1: her run out and be as frightened as she was.
27:41
Speaker 1: She was calling nine? And what was what was going on?
27:45
Speaker 1: That's my that's my question. What was going on that
27:48
Speaker 1: made her so frightened and that she called nine to
27:50
Speaker 1: one one, She's banging on doors, she's hiding my note,
27:52
Speaker 1: she's running through fields. That's the that's the question. So absolutely, yeah,
27:57
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll continue to follow rex Huerman's sentencing and.
28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's coming up. Yeah.
28:04
Speaker 4: I was recently in the Bahamas, you know, for the
28:08
Speaker 4: boat Lynette Lynette Hooker. Yeah, I went to marsh Harbor
28:14
Speaker 4: with Lynette's daughter Carly. Okay, so we we brought her
28:18
Speaker 4: there dayline and she we followed her journey, you know,
28:23
Speaker 4: as she went to her mom's boat for the first time,
28:26
Speaker 4: you know, since her mom passed, right, which was very emotional.
28:33
Speaker 4: I think in her mind she was almost like wanting
28:36
Speaker 4: her mom to be there, wanting her mom to be
28:39
Speaker 4: on that boat or somehow be okay, you know, And
28:41
Speaker 4: obviously we know that's not the case.
28:43
Speaker 3: So that that case.
28:45
Speaker 4: Is Brian Hooker, you know, he's back in as far
28:47
Speaker 4: as we know, he's back in America, right, and the
28:51
Speaker 4: Coast Guard in Fort Pierce, Florida, they yeah, they got
28:56
Speaker 4: the boat. So as far as we know there there
28:59
Speaker 4: was an invest stigation. We haven't heard otherwise that as
29:03
Speaker 4: far as we know that there's an investigation underway. Brian
29:06
Speaker 4: Hooker has obtained a new attorney in the United States.
29:11
Speaker 4: He had that one attorney in the Bahamas. But he
29:15
Speaker 4: has of course denied having anything to do with Lynette's
29:19
Speaker 4: death and says that she that it was a tragic accident.
29:22
Speaker 2: Actually shop for a replacement attorney when you're like for
29:27
Speaker 2: a homicide case, when you introduce yourself, yes, they're gonna
29:32
Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, I know this case.
29:35
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's like I don't think Brian Hooker
29:37
Speaker 1: has to introduce much about.
29:38
Speaker 2: That's what I'll say it was.
29:39
Speaker 4: I mean, it was really everywhere. Yeah, that story. It
29:43
Speaker 4: was amazing how much traction it got.
29:45
Speaker 1: It really has. I tell you, every time I go
29:47
Speaker 1: through Instagram. You know, we did a little bit on this,
29:49
Speaker 1: so I have followed it a little bit. I don't
29:52
Speaker 1: know how much you can say, because I know that
29:53
Speaker 1: you're you're doing a lot your research and everything on it.
29:58
Speaker 1: I think my takeaway, just from my own opinion, I'm
30:01
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe she never made it into the small
30:04
Speaker 1: boat that night.
30:05
Speaker 4: I don't.
30:05
Speaker 1: I just feel like if she was in that boat
30:07
Speaker 1: and she went over the edge, like he claims, and
30:10
Speaker 1: then she drowned in that water, that her body, we
30:13
Speaker 1: would have found her body. Her body would have been discovered.
30:15
Speaker 1: But the fact that there's no body, that's the part
30:18
Speaker 1: that I did.
30:20
Speaker 4: Interview someone who owns the conk Inn which is in
30:23
Speaker 4: Marsh Harbor, who said that actually that area where she
30:27
Speaker 4: went over the fell off the dinghy or was you know,
30:31
Speaker 4: whatever happened, that there are a lot of sharks in
30:35
Speaker 4: that area, so that is possible, and it was also
30:38
Speaker 4: apparently really rough seas and it was at night, and
30:42
Speaker 4: so there's always the possibility that some Bahamas sharks did
30:46
Speaker 4: finish off Lynette.
30:48
Speaker 2: As opposed to a calm lake or something where the
30:50
Speaker 2: body right right.
30:53
Speaker 3: I mean the you know, the water's in the Bahamas,
30:56
Speaker 3: very clear water.
30:56
Speaker 4: But again it's it's nighttime, it's you know, this area,
31:01
Speaker 4: so it's really it's really hard to say.
31:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I you know, I, Shane and I are
31:08
Speaker 1: going on vacation to the Bahamas in August, so I
31:11
Speaker 1: guess I will not get in a dinghy boat with Shane.
31:14
Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't get in a d.
31:18
Speaker 1: That's my takeaway from this case. There will be no
31:20
Speaker 1: dingy bow rides.
31:22
Speaker 2: Well, we're not definitely not going to go into shark
31:24
Speaker 2: infested waters.
31:25
Speaker 1: No.
31:26
Speaker 3: I think you guys are safe. I think you're fine.
31:28
Speaker 1: We'll be all right.
31:29
Speaker 2: You don't Emily, Yes, she's capable of.
31:40
Speaker 1: Okay. I have one more question. I don't know if
31:42
Speaker 1: you've been following this case, but it's all over social media.
31:46
Speaker 1: Have you watched the crash? Do you know about the
31:48
Speaker 1: McKinzie Shrilla young girl seventeen was driving hundred miles per hour,
31:53
Speaker 1: crashed into the brick wall, the boyfriend died and the no, oh.
31:58
Speaker 3: I don't think I know that story.
32:00
Speaker 4: I miss that.
32:01
Speaker 2: I don't know.
32:01
Speaker 1: But you're gonna this is I'm going to give you
32:03
Speaker 1: some homework. I'm gonna need you to research this case
32:07
Speaker 1: because I want to get your thoughts and opinion, because
32:10
Speaker 1: not only I think it was very interesting for Shane
32:12
Speaker 1: and I have to do an episode on this because
32:14
Speaker 1: not only is there the legal element of it, whether
32:16
Speaker 1: there was intent, was there some kind of tragic accident
32:19
Speaker 1: that led to this crash that killed her two passengers,
32:23
Speaker 1: or are.
32:25
Speaker 2: The basic facts are it's her as a driver, she
32:29
Speaker 2: has a boyfriend, and then there's an unfortunate innocent bystander
32:33
Speaker 2: that's a passenger who wanted to ride home. And she
32:36
Speaker 2: has a history of being obsessed with a boyfriend, willing
32:39
Speaker 2: to kill herself if he breaks up with her, She'll
32:42
Speaker 2: kill him if he breaks up with like that kind
32:44
Speaker 2: of behavior. And then next thing you know, after a party,
32:49
Speaker 2: she drives literally almost one hundred miles an hours directly
32:52
Speaker 2: into a brick building and killing both of the two males.
32:57
Speaker 2: And then she survives, and so they don't have seatbelts on.
33:01
Speaker 2: She does. She's found to have never breaked or done
33:06
Speaker 2: anything other than just turn off the road on this
33:10
Speaker 2: road that she has been seen driving around several times
33:13
Speaker 2: days before, like staking it out, and then hits the
33:16
Speaker 2: gas and goes nearly one hundred miles an hour directly
33:19
Speaker 2: into a brick building.
33:21
Speaker 3: So what are the what is she saying? What are
33:23
Speaker 3: the police saying about?
33:26
Speaker 2: Well, she has a great defense. She doesn't remember anyth Well, her.
33:28
Speaker 1: Defense is she doesn't remember anything she says that. You know,
33:31
Speaker 1: she only remembers leaving the house that morning with her
33:34
Speaker 1: two passengers. She was convicted of murder, and so she's
33:38
Speaker 1: in prison right now. And actually Netflix just released a
33:42
Speaker 1: documentary on it a couple of days ago. But Shane
33:44
Speaker 1: and I had known the case previously. We had watched
33:46
Speaker 1: some things on YouTube on it. But my perspective as
33:50
Speaker 1: a mother is I put a lot of blame on
33:52
Speaker 1: the parents because the lack of accountability and the way
33:56
Speaker 1: that they make excuses for their daughter. It's really to
34:00
Speaker 1: me such an interesting nature versus nurture type of conversation,
34:05
Speaker 1: and so I just I would love to hear your
34:07
Speaker 1: take on it. So I want I want you to
34:11
Speaker 1: all the things that you have to do.
34:14
Speaker 3: I will say.
34:15
Speaker 4: Though, one of the conversations, especially with a couple of
34:18
Speaker 4: my daughters, that I repeatedly have, is stop making excuses.
34:24
Speaker 4: You're not the victim in this. Stop playing the victim,
34:27
Speaker 4: and stop gaslighting me. Because I have a couple of
34:30
Speaker 4: daughters who do that.
34:31
Speaker 3: Where what me? No, or I didn't do that or no,
34:35
Speaker 3: what do you know that's not And I'm like stop, yeah, stop,
34:39
Speaker 3: Like you know.
34:39
Speaker 4: I'm just one of those I'm a little tough in
34:42
Speaker 4: that area as a parent because I don't want to
34:44
Speaker 4: have kids who grow up making excuses and not taking
34:47
Speaker 4: responsibility for things.
34:49
Speaker 3: It drives me insane.
34:50
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I had to have a conversation just
34:52
Speaker 4: last night about something that happened in library. You know
34:55
Speaker 4: that we got an email from the librarian about my daughter,
34:58
Speaker 4: and she's like, I didn't do that. I'm like, your
35:00
Speaker 4: librarian would not write us this long email about your
35:03
Speaker 4: behavior if.
35:04
Speaker 3: Something had not happened exactly. So anyway, Yeah, I don't.
35:07
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
35:08
Speaker 2: We should send our kids to Andrea's house.
35:10
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can I can? I have our teachers Anabel or
35:13
Speaker 1: email Andrea. It's a bit tough, but I just want
35:18
Speaker 1: that kid I agree one hundred percent. Let me ask
35:22
Speaker 1: you one more question, as someone that does all these
35:24
Speaker 1: true crime cases, but also as someone who is a parent,
35:29
Speaker 1: when you because I do this, when I watch and
35:32
Speaker 1: when we research these cases and we talk about them,
35:34
Speaker 1: I tried to take things away from them that I
35:36
Speaker 1: can then learn from, like the Gabby Patito case, or
35:42
Speaker 1: like Kristen Smart. I don't know if you know that case,
35:44
Speaker 1: but when she disappeared, So my takeaway from that, and
35:47
Speaker 1: this is what I want to have a conversation with
35:49
Speaker 1: Annabel about. Is when you're in college or you go
35:52
Speaker 1: out with friends, you stick with your friends. You don't separate,
35:55
Speaker 1: you don't leave a man behind. I don't care how
35:58
Speaker 1: drunk someone is. I don't care how much they say
36:01
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine. Just you know, go home. You
36:04
Speaker 1: stick together. So I was just wondering, in all the
36:07
Speaker 1: cases you've done, what is something like a piece of
36:10
Speaker 1: advice you've taken away that you instill in your kids.
36:14
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think what you just said is
36:16
Speaker 3: so important.
36:17
Speaker 4: It made me think of Natalie Holloway, know who on
36:20
Speaker 4: the vacation disappears with the guy.
36:22
Speaker 3: She doesn't even I tell my kids that too.
36:24
Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys stick together, right, like absolutely, that.
36:28
Speaker 3: Is so important.
36:30
Speaker 4: Or don't let your friend, if she's been drinking or
36:32
Speaker 4: not drinking, go off with a strange guy, right, you know, maybe.
36:36
Speaker 3: You're gonna go kiss on the beach.
36:37
Speaker 4: Don't, right, don't don't do it, and don't let them
36:40
Speaker 4: and like no matter if they say no, or they're
36:43
Speaker 4: going to just stick to them like glue, you know,
36:45
Speaker 4: because I mean there's strength and numbers. Yes, you're gonna
36:48
Speaker 4: be so much safer if you stick together, especially in
36:51
Speaker 4: precarious situations. I mean, it's one thing if you're at
36:54
Speaker 4: your own high school and you know the people or whatever,
36:56
Speaker 4: but like if you're on vacation or in college at
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Speaker 4: an unfamiliar bar.
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Speaker 3: Or something like, I think that's just super super important.
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Speaker 4: The other thing that's like a little sad is like
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Speaker 4: I did this one story on a cheerleader who was murdered.
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Speaker 4: It just breaks my heart when I think about this story.
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Speaker 4: The parents did everything they could because the cheerleader and
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Speaker 4: this guy, he was older than her, and the parents
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Speaker 4: did not want them to be together. They were monitoring
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Speaker 4: her text, they were seeing that he was controlling. They
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Speaker 4: were confronting her about it, but they just kept seeing
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Speaker 4: each other, so they were trying to do what they could.
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Speaker 4: They were, Okay, you can have dinner with us, or
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Speaker 4: he can come to church with us, or you can
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Speaker 4: hang out in the living room and watch TV like
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Speaker 4: they they were because keeping them apart wasn't right working.
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Speaker 4: He killed her, he still, He shot her from outside
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Speaker 4: of the house through the wall of the house.
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Speaker 3: It hit her in the head as she slept the bullet.
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Speaker 4: Wow, unbelievable, right, Like he tried to say, Well, how
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Speaker 4: would I have I wouldn't have been able to like
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Speaker 4: aim like that.
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Speaker 3: But he was found guilty.
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Speaker 4: But you know, it shows that like even when you're
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Speaker 4: trying to do everything you can, it still may not work.
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Speaker 4: But keep trying and keep recognizing that this is how
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Speaker 4: it could end.
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Speaker 3: And if you have to be the bad guy.
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Speaker 4: I don't care if my kids are mad at me
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Speaker 4: or if they don't like me sometimes, you know what
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Speaker 4: I mean, Like you have to be willing to like
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Speaker 4: to have your kids not like you all the time.
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Speaker 4: Like that's part of it, exactly. They can lash out
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Speaker 4: at me all they want. I don't give it to whatever.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm here to protect you until you're an
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Speaker 4: adult and you're on your own, and I will still
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Speaker 4: try to protect you.
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Speaker 3: But at this age, my kids are.
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Speaker 4: Tweens and teens, you know, so like, I'm sorry, I'm
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Speaker 4: going to be your worst nightmare for a while.
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Speaker 1: Well that makes me feel better because Annabel's mad at
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Speaker 1: me like ninety percent of the time.
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Speaker 2: Now, I just feel like I'm doing something right.
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Speaker 1: Then, I guess because she's always and she's always mad
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Speaker 1: at me.
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Speaker 4: He's adorable, just beautiful. I love watching her cheerleading. No,
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Speaker 4: it's so true, like, oh, my kids are always mad
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Speaker 4: at me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like all the time. And I'm like, even this morning,
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Speaker 3: I had to say to my sixteen year old she
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Speaker 3: was she turned sixteen yesterday.
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Speaker 4: She's going for a permit, and I said, we gotta
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Speaker 4: go now, like you got to get up, and she's like, no,
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Speaker 4: I'm not ready. I'm like, the world does not revolve
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Speaker 4: around you.
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Speaker 3: You're acting very spoiled and self centered.
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Speaker 4: There are a lot of people in this family, some
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Speaker 4: of them work, like myself and your father and kids
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Speaker 4: have to get to school and stop it, right, just
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Speaker 4: stop it, you know.
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Speaker 3: So it's like tough love.
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Speaker 1: Right, tough love that's for sure. I know it's always
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Speaker 1: the parents that try to be the best friend, and
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Speaker 1: that's where they go wrong. And I always tell Annabel,
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Speaker 1: I'm not your friend, I'm your mother. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: love it when we do friendly stuff and the shop
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Speaker 1: and we have the bonding time and all of that,
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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you're right, I'm
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Speaker 1: here to protect you, not to be your best friend
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Speaker 1: and let you get away with you.
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Speaker 2: One of the most beneficial things was using our cat
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Speaker 2: as an example. We had to give Annabel her cat
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Speaker 2: medicine every day, and the cat refuse and this and that,
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Speaker 2: and it's cat as a runner. If you open the door,
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Speaker 2: he will run out that door and you can't find him.
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Speaker 2: So we always protect him. And he's mad at us
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Speaker 2: for not letting him out and giving him medicine. So
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Speaker 2: I use as an example for her and I let
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Speaker 2: her come to the conclusion that she's doing this to
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Speaker 2: be because it's best for her cat, even though her cat
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Speaker 2: doesn't want it. And after she said all this stuff
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Speaker 2: where she started to realize like, oh, I'm taking care
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Speaker 2: of my cat. I'm doing what's best for him even
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Speaker 2: though he doesn't want it. This is what's best for him.
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Speaker 2: If we let him out of the house, he will
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Speaker 2: run away. I will never see him again. If he
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the medicine, he may pass away. And then
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Speaker 2: I said, that's what we do for you. We know
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Speaker 2: what's best for you, and we are protecting you and
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Speaker 2: giving you what you need, even if you don't like it.
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Speaker 2: It's best for you, just like it's best for your cat.
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Speaker 2: Her cat's name is Bagel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the moral in a story is my daughter
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Speaker 1: is a feral cat. That's what parenting her is. She
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Speaker 1: is a feral cat.
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Speaker 3: Trust me, I'm right there with you.
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Speaker 1: All right. Well, Andrea, thank you so much for coming
40:54
Speaker 1: on legally Brunette. We really appreciate it. I love having
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Speaker 1: conversations with you. I can't wait to hear your take
40:59
Speaker 1: on the crash. So make sure we'll have to have
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Speaker 1: you come back on so we can get your opinion
41:05
Speaker 1: on that. And let me know when I get to
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Speaker 1: come on on dateline. That's what I want to do.
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Speaker 2: We're waiting no, no, she wants to murder me and
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Speaker 2: then go on dateline. Yeah, okay, we.
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Speaker 4: Are waiting for you, not on dateline. We're waiting for
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Speaker 4: you on Dateline True Crime Weekly.
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Speaker 3: That's great, that's right.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't want to be on the regular.
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Speaker 3: I want to be on that, So Dateline True Crime Weekly.
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Speaker 4: And also, since we were talking about Gabby Patito NBC
41:28
Speaker 4: News Studios here we have there's a new podcast by
41:30
Speaker 4: the Dateline team called Allegedly with Ellis and Barber and
41:34
Speaker 4: actually their premiere episode it's on Netflix, was about Gabby Patito.
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Speaker 4: So it's sort of the latest what's going on with
41:39
Speaker 4: Brian Laundry's parents, and it's really good. And if you
41:42
Speaker 4: want to check out that that's on Netflix, then Dateline
41:46
Speaker 4: Yeah Allegedly and then they've got a really cool set
41:49
Speaker 4: and Ellison is awesome. And then Dateline True Crime Weekly
41:52
Speaker 4: is just like wherever you get your podcasts. It drops
41:54
Speaker 4: on Thursday mornings.
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, we'll see on there soon. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they'll be on there soon. All right. Thank Andrea. Always
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Speaker 1: a pleasure and we will chat soon. Thanks for coming on.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, bye bye