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Mormon Mom CHARGED W/POISONING HUBBY “DEAD BY COCKTAIL” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a father of three, three
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Speaker 1: beautiful little boys, loving husband Drum's dead found in his
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Speaker 1: own bed in his own home. When his wife comes
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Speaker 1: back into the room, he's cold to the touch. What happened?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Foxination and series XEM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 2: This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead
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Speaker 2: on his bedroom floor in March. Richins and his wife,
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Speaker 2: Corey were celebrating a business accomplishment.
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Speaker 1: The night he died.
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Speaker 2: Corey made Eric a moscow mule, which he drank in
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Speaker 2: the bedroom.
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Speaker 1: They say. Corey told authorities that she.
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Speaker 2: Left to help one of their children, and rich into
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Speaker 2: the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,
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Speaker 2: she noticed Eric was cool to the touch and called.
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Speaker 1: Nine one one. What a horrible event to leave your
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Speaker 1: husband go fall asleep in the bedroom with one of
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Speaker 1: your sons. She wanders back in there to sleep in
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Speaker 1: their bed around three am and her husband is cold
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Speaker 1: to the touch. With me in all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Chief medical examiner out of
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Speaker 1: Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas, Austin
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Speaker 1: and Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crowns, Doctor Crowns,
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Speaker 1: it's such an honor to have you and doctor Paul
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Speaker 1: Christo with us. Doctor Crown's, my first question to you
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Speaker 1: is how long has a body How long has the
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Speaker 1: person been dead before their body is cold to the touch?
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Speaker 3: Hugely wants your heart job reading and your body taking
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Speaker 3: on the mature of the surrounding environment so it can
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Speaker 3: happen in a probably about a half hour to an
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Speaker 3: hour where you can start noticing the body and change
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Speaker 3: of temper temperature gotten cold.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the
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Speaker 1: MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going
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Speaker 1: to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to
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Speaker 1: doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,
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Speaker 1: author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming
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Speaker 1: Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take
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Speaker 1: so much longer for a body to get completely cold
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Speaker 1: to the touch, and I do agree with doctor Kendall
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Speaker 1: Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what
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Speaker 1: difference that would make. But in this case, they were
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Speaker 1: at home with their three little boys, so I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to assume the temperature would have
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Speaker 1: been between sixty nine and let's just say seventy one.
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Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar,
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Speaker 4: doctor crown probably, you know, forty minutes to an hour's.
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Speaker 1: Dodgor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in
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Speaker 1: their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who
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Speaker 1: was thirty nine years old at the time of his death.
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Speaker 4: Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is
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Speaker 4: this is a rare event. It doesn't happen unless you have,
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Speaker 4: you know, maybe some underlying cardiac problems, for example, maybe
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Speaker 4: pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in
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Speaker 4: your sleep.
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Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist, renowned psychiatrist
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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business, but
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Speaker 1: when I've ever I hear died in your sleep, there's
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Speaker 1: always something bad attached to that. But I guess people
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Speaker 1: really do die in their sleep.
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Speaker 5: Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people who
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Speaker 5: die in their sleep. They can suffer in a rhythmia
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Speaker 5: of their heart, and those are the people that can
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Speaker 5: die in their sleep. But like you said, Nancy, whenever
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Speaker 5: we hear of a younger person dying in their sleep,
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Speaker 5: there's there's some curiosity about that. I mean, young people
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Speaker 5: don't have heart issues typically, so young people don't typically
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Speaker 5: die in their sleep, and that's typically what you die
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Speaker 5: from in the at night.
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Speaker 1: I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.
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Speaker 1: I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all
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Speaker 1: of you. Because my dad had his first coronary thrombosis
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Speaker 1: at age thirty nine. That's pretty young. And this guy
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Speaker 1: is thirty nine.
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Speaker 5: Well it is, Nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not
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Speaker 5: that's not the norm. That's all I would say.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This
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Speaker 1: guy is actually celebrating, you know. Let me let Jen
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Speaker 1: Smith tell you. Jen Smith is joining us chief investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter for dailymail dot com on this from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: The unusual death of Eric Rich is just thirty nine
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Speaker 1: years old, father of three little boys. Jen, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Explain to me how this whole
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Speaker 1: thing went down, because they were having a celebration that evening.
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Speaker 1: From what I understand, the wife, Corey Richans, flips houses.
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Speaker 1: She'll buy and she's got a business partner. They buy houses,
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Speaker 1: they improve them, and then they flip them, like on
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Speaker 1: AHGTV the flip your house. That's what she does. And
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Speaker 1: that evening they were having some kind of a celebration
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Speaker 1: because she had closed on a home.
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Speaker 6: You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's exactly right Nowci. But
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Speaker 6: they actually our understanding of it is that they worked
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Speaker 6: pretty closely together Kreer and her husband Eric, like you say,
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Speaker 6: exactly the type of business that you just described. They
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Speaker 6: flipped houses. So when Eric came home that evening and
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Speaker 6: his wife is at the house with the kids, they're
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Speaker 6: celebrating because he has to close a deal on a
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Speaker 6: sale of a home, so bringing more money into the family.
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Speaker 6: And listen, this is a picture perfect family. They lived
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Speaker 6: in a really nice area not too far outside of
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Speaker 6: Park City in Utah. The tow is called Kamas, really
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Speaker 6: beautiful rural in the mountains, and they had this great life.
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Speaker 6: They themselves lived in a one point one million dollar home.
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Speaker 6: And as you rightly pointed out, Eric had just closed
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Speaker 6: another deal. So it was a happy occasion for the
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Speaker 6: Richards family this evening.
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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent
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Speaker 6: Mormon family. The Richards family is a large family in
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Speaker 6: at least Stummit County. This is the area of Utah
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Speaker 6: that we're talking about, many many relatives and very well
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Speaker 6: known in the community. He and Tury had been married
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Speaker 6: for nine years and they had three beautiful boys together
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Speaker 6: when he died.
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Speaker 1: Here's my question. I have several friends that are about Mormons.
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Speaker 1: They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is
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Speaker 1: a stimulant. So these two are having moscow mules.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So what we know know is that after he
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Speaker 6: returns home from closing this deal, as a celebration, Curi,
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Speaker 6: his wife makes him a moscow mules, the vodka ba
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Speaker 6: his cocktail, and that is where they kind of leave
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Speaker 6: things for the night.
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Speaker 1: Like you say, she goes off to get with the
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Speaker 1: son who is having a nightmare, sleeps in the room
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Speaker 1: with the sun having a nightmare. Yeah, and she leaves
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Speaker 1: him sitting up in bed, having his drink, TV going,
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Speaker 1: Everything's fine. So this mom devastated finding her husband cold
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Speaker 1: in the bed and having all sorts of survivor guilt.
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Speaker 1: Why did I leave him? I'm alive, he's dead. That
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Speaker 1: she and her children get together and they actually write
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Speaker 1: a book call are You with Me? Because it's not
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Speaker 1: like are you with me? Like do you understand? It's literally,
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Speaker 1: are you with me? Dad? Are you still with me?
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Speaker 1: Because her three little boys were having such a horrible
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Speaker 1: time dealing with their father's sudden death, she writes the
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Speaker 1: book and she's on local TV promoting it, and I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.
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Speaker 1: Take a list an hour cut eight.
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Speaker 7: My husband passed away unexpectedly last year. So it's March fourth,
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Speaker 7: was a one year anniversary for us, and he was
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Speaker 7: thirty nine. It completely took us all by shock. And
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Speaker 7: we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six, and
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Speaker 7: you know, we kind of my kids and I kind
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Speaker 7: of wrote this book on the different emotions and grieving
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Speaker 7: processes that we've experienced last year, and you know, hoping
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Speaker 7: that it can kind of help other kids, you know,
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Speaker 7: deal with this kind of you know, find happiness some
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Speaker 7: some way or another.
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Speaker 1: And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's
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Speaker 1: on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she
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Speaker 1: and her children had in your are cut nine.
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Speaker 7: I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing
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Speaker 7: all you know, research and reading books and things to
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Speaker 7: try and understand, you know, not only how to grieve
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Speaker 7: as a widow, as a wife, but also you know,
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Speaker 7: with my kids, how to help them, how to help
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Speaker 7: them understand what just happened. And what I have kind
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Speaker 7: of found is as I mentioned, it's kind of the
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Speaker 7: three c's is how I has visualized it, and it's
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Speaker 7: you know, connection, continuity, and care, and it's you know,
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Speaker 7: making sure connection is the one major one, and making
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Speaker 7: sure that their spirit is always alive in your home,
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Speaker 7: you know, and memories are always brought up, and doing
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Speaker 7: things that your loved ones love to do, whether it's writing, bikes,
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Speaker 7: their favorite dinner, and just constantly you know, talking about that.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about how children cope with the
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Speaker 1: death of a dad and doing things that remind you
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Speaker 1: of your loved one. To doctor Angie Arnold, I know
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Speaker 1: every year on my dad's birthday every night after dinner,
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Speaker 1: because my dad and mom had largely moved in with us,
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Speaker 1: spending a lot of times with us, because you know,
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Speaker 1: the children were so little. Just as he passed away,
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Speaker 1: and every night after supper, I would make him a
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Speaker 1: cup of decaf. So every year on his birthday or
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Speaker 1: really throughout the year, I will send my sister a picture,
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Speaker 1: you know, like on a text, of a cup of
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Speaker 1: decaf just steaming, because we both know what that means.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering what you, as a parent can
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Speaker 1: do to help your children, how you Scrucia. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was an adult when my father passed away, but
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Speaker 1: these are little little boys.
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Speaker 5: Well, and Nancy, it's important for all of us to
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Speaker 5: remember that each child will will remember this differently according
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Speaker 5: to how old they are. Each child is going to
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Speaker 5: have a different experience of this grief, So it's very
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Speaker 5: important to work with each child where they are when
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Speaker 5: this happens, and not gloss it over as if everyone's
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Speaker 5: experiencing the same kind of grief. Depending how young some
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Speaker 5: of the children are, they may not have the words
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Speaker 5: to express how they feel about the fact that their
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Speaker 5: father is gone. The older ones have had more time
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Speaker 5: with their dad, and they're going to have different memories
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Speaker 5: with their dad. So it's very important to help the
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Speaker 5: children remember the things that they remember according to what
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Speaker 5: their ages were when the parent passed away.
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Speaker 1: And this is how they came up with the name
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Speaker 1: of the book. Are You with Me and Our cut eleven.
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Speaker 7: The first day of SKO and you know all the
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Speaker 7: nerves that kids face on the first day of school
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Speaker 7: with nuke, you know, and just hoping, you know, Dad,
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Speaker 7: like walk with me, like help me get through today.
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Speaker 1: They give me the strength to do that.
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Speaker 7: And it has found you know, it's been a lot
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Speaker 7: of peace for my kids to you know, to really
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Speaker 7: remember that in the back of their head that they're
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Speaker 7: never alone.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go back to doctor Kendall
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Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical examiner, Terran County, Doctor Crowns. I remember
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Speaker 1: as a girl, my dad have his first carnary thrombosis
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Speaker 1: at home and my mom, you know, screaming, and I
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Speaker 1: could hear a slapping sound. She was trying to or
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Speaker 1: that's what I thought it was, and it was her
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Speaker 1: trying to give him CPR to keep him alive. The
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about these three little boys in that
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Speaker 1: home when mom is doing CPR on Eric Richards, who
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Speaker 1: is dead in the bedroom, already cold to the touch.
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Speaker 1: And I guess, once you're call to the touch, there's
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Speaker 1: no bringing you back. Would you agree with that, Doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 3: I would agree with that. Once you've gotten called, you're
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Speaker 3: probably pat of the time period where you can say so.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. It is unusual for thirty nine year
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Speaker 1: old man to just die in his sleep. So what
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Speaker 1: would a medical examiner do in order to determine cause
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Speaker 1: of death?
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Speaker 3: Well, what you do is a complete autopsy. If thirty
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Speaker 3: nine year olds usually don't die suddenly like that, there's
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Speaker 3: usually something else going on. So by doing a complete autopsy,
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Speaker 3: you would check all the organs for any disease, processes,
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Speaker 3: cornary promposas, cordinary or disease, different part and abnormalities, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: And then what you'd also do is draw toxicology to
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Speaker 3: run toxicology screens to see if there for any drugs
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Speaker 3: on board, and also do electrolytes or fluids from the eyeball,
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Speaker 3: where you could look at his dehydration status, his glue
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Speaker 3: coos the CFP had diabetes or.
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Speaker 5: Anything like that.
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Speaker 1: To justman joining us from dailymail dot com, I've taken
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Speaker 1: a long look at what we have of the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner's report. What exactly is the cause of death for
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Speaker 1: Eric Richards?
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Speaker 6: Well, we believe that according to this report, it's a
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Speaker 6: fatal dose of fentanyl, which is a synthetic opioid. Now
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Speaker 6: you need maybe two milligrams of this doctor to kill you.
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Speaker 6: He had five times out amoment in his body.
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Speaker 1: Five times the amount of a lethal dose a sentinel.
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Speaker 1: You know, I introduced to you doctor Paul Christo earlier.
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Speaker 1: In addition to being an associate prophet John Hopkins School
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Speaker 1: of Medicine, that's not shabby, he's also an opioid expert,
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Speaker 1: doctor Christo. As I said earlier, this is a devout
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Speaker 1: Mormon family. Again, they don't even drink chocolate milk because
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Speaker 1: they think it's a stimulant. So I've got them drinking
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Speaker 1: moscow mules plus fentunel. What exactly is fentanyl? I know
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Speaker 1: there's an opioid crisis I know there's a fentinyl crisis.
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Speaker 1: I know people are dying every day a fentyl overdose.
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Speaker 1: But could you give us some street names. What is
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Speaker 1: fentanyl and what does it do to you?
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Speaker 4: Well, fentanyl is an opioid first and foremost, and opioids
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Speaker 4: are used as pain relievers. They enter the bloodstream, they
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Speaker 4: bind to various different what are called opioid receptors in
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Speaker 4: the brain and spinal cord to reduce pain. First and foremost.
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Speaker 4: We use them for many many years as pain specialists
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Speaker 4: and also in the operating room. Is anisphysiologists. But fentanyl
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Speaker 4: is synthetic, So non synthetic opioids would be like codeine
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Speaker 4: for example, or morphine. Synthetic means it's just made in
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Speaker 4: the laboratory of a pharmaceutical company. Typically can be very
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Speaker 4: useful as a pain reliever.
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Speaker 1: I mean l like Walter White breaking bad. Yes, you
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Speaker 1: make it in a lab well, then make it in
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Speaker 1: an RV sometimes, but you just make it, you cook
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Speaker 1: it up.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, you can make it an RV. You
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Speaker 4: can make it illegally, certainly, yes, and then pharmaceutically it's legal.
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Speaker 1: So glad you said that, Doctor, Christo because a further
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Speaker 1: analysis reveals that the fentanyl in Eric's blood was not legal.
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Speaker 1: So apparently you can tell whether fentanyl is illegal, such
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Speaker 1: as prescribed by a doctor and you go get it
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Speaker 1: at the pharmacy or illegal, And I guess that goes
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Speaker 1: straight back to how it's made.
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Speaker 9: That's right.
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Speaker 4: We have more sophisticated methods now determining whether medications or
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Speaker 4: drugs are legal or illegal. And in this case, it
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Speaker 4: sounds like it was illegal.
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Speaker 1: So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens
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Speaker 1: or the CVS or the Dwayne Reid. He's getting it
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. Okay, uh, you know who would know this
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Speaker 1: on this panel, Let's just go with doctor Angie Arnold.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what cine? Moscow mule?
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Speaker 10: No?
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry I don't.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, I got a surprise that you just surprised
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Speaker 1: me because I could just see you kicked bat with
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Speaker 1: some of those copper I bet Bobby Chacone does. Bobby
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Speaker 1: chicon former special agent with the FBI and screenwriter for
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Speaker 1: Criminal Minds. You can find him at Bobby chicuone dot com. Bobby,
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Speaker 1: there is no way you don't know what a moscow
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Speaker 1: mule is no.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the basic ingredients of ginger beer and vodka or
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Speaker 9: some kind of carder liquor's usually served in like a
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Speaker 9: copper cup. It's a very specific drink. Ginger beer obviously
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Speaker 9: ginger people familiar with ginger has a very strong kind
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Speaker 9: of taste, a very unique kind of taste, almost overpowering
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Speaker 9: if you use too much of it. So, yeah, it's
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Speaker 9: a very specific drink. It's become very trendy in recent years.
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Speaker 9: And ginger beer is kind of the overwhelming taste that
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Speaker 9: you get that ginger from the ginger beer, which is
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Speaker 9: the main ingredient.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Paul Christa joining us. If you're an expert,
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Speaker 1: what does what does finnyl taste like?
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Speaker 4: Mil is usually tasteless. It's usually tasteless.
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Speaker 1: So if I chewed up an oxy, it would taste
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Speaker 1: like nothing.
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Speaker 4: Well, oxy now is different from fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that shows how much I know.
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Speaker 4: But yes, probably would taste a bit different.
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Speaker 1: What's a street name for fentanyl?
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Speaker 4: There really is no street I mean it typically goes
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Speaker 4: by fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: Can it be in a tablet?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: And so if I chew up a fentyl tablet, I
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Speaker 1: taste nothing.
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Speaker 4: Typically You're not going to taste anything unless something's been
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Speaker 4: added to the.
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Speaker 1: Tablet interesting, Interesting, doctor Paul Christo. According to my Crack
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Speaker 1: legal analyst Jackie, there are some street names crazy what
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Speaker 1: did you say, Crazy One? Crazy One, dance Fever, Dragon's breath.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard any of that, so I don't know
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Speaker 1: how reliable that is.
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Speaker 3: Can I make a statement?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Jump in.
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Speaker 3: So when it first came out, it was called drop
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Speaker 3: dead because a lot of the people who were injecting
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Speaker 3: fentanyl died so quickly they left the needle in their arms.
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Speaker 3: So the street name was originally dropped dead because when
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Speaker 3: you took it, you dropped dead instantly. I think that's
20:56
Speaker 3: kind of fallen out of favor because every every area
20:59
Speaker 3: has for it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's a little bad for business for dopers.
21:04
Speaker 3: Well that business, that's why it started.
21:06
Speaker 1: Long only you Candle crowns only. Well, you can imagine
21:10
Speaker 1: the shock that reverberates through the community when this goes down.
21:16
Speaker 1: Take a listen our cup fourteen kt the X. We
21:19
Speaker 1: have breaking news of this.
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Speaker 11: Our local children's book author charged with murder. Thirty three
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Speaker 11: year old Corey Richards of Chemis is being held in
21:26
Speaker 11: the Summit County jail with no bail. Now she promoted
21:29
Speaker 11: her book on the Grief on Good Things, Utah. That's
21:32
Speaker 11: the video you're seeing here. This is about a month ago.
21:35
Speaker 11: Court documents today showing the murder happened in March of
21:38
Speaker 11: twenty twenty two, an online obituary showing her husband, thirty
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Speaker 11: nine year old Eric Richards, died that same month.
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Speaker 1: As it turns out, according to investigators, there had been
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Speaker 1: other previous instances where the wife in this case had
21:57
Speaker 1: tried to murder her husband. And I find it extremely
22:02
Speaker 1: interesting and I want to go to Jeffrey Wolf on
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Speaker 1: this criminal defense attorney, high profile criminal criminal defense attorney
22:09
Speaker 1: joining us out of Colorado. You can find them at
22:11
Speaker 1: Wolflaw Colorado dot com. Jeffrey, you know.
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Speaker 9: What I love.
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Speaker 1: I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,
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Speaker 1: as we saw in the Alex Mardai case, for instance,
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Speaker 1: a person's history of bad acts cannot come in at
22:33
Speaker 1: trial unless and until it has proven that those bad
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Speaker 1: acts are let's just say a fingerprint of the case
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Speaker 1: in chief to show motive, course of conduct, scheme, frame
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Speaker 1: of mind. Would you agree with that, Jeffrey Wolf.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is
22:53
Speaker 10: Rule four or four B, which is a federal rule
22:56
Speaker 10: of evidence that is mirrored in almost all fifty states.
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Speaker 10: That's going to talk about whether somebody's prior bad acts
23:02
Speaker 10: can come in as evidence in the case against them. Currently,
23:06
Speaker 10: it can't come in to show act and conformity therewith,
23:09
Speaker 10: meaning just because they did something before they did it again,
23:12
Speaker 10: But it can come in for all these other reasons
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Speaker 10: that you're talking about, plan, motive, scheme, modus operandi, to
23:18
Speaker 10: show who this person is, how they operate, and how
23:21
Speaker 10: that ties them to this event.
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Speaker 6: Two.
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Speaker 1: Jen joining us from dailymail dot com, Jensmith, what can
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Speaker 1: you tell us about prior incidents, including one on Valentine's
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Speaker 1: Day just a month they month before Eric drops dead
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Speaker 1: in a sleep. Yeah, exactly, so.
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Speaker 6: We know that the Valentine's Day incident that you mentioned.
23:43
Speaker 6: Then they ate a meal together and he became very
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Speaker 6: ill afterwards. As a result, he ended up telling friends,
23:51
Speaker 6: I think my wife has poisoned me. Not only is
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Speaker 6: that disturbing, but more so is the fact that this
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Speaker 6: was the second time he thought she had tried to
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Speaker 6: poison him. Once previously during a vacation with the family,
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Speaker 6: he told his sister that he thought she had tried
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Speaker 6: to poison him. So one place what happens after that?
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Speaker 1: So the first time we believe this is according to him,
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to go back to Jeff wolf Of
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Speaker 1: just a moment about how you can or cannot use
24:23
Speaker 1: the words of someone now dead in court because under
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Speaker 1: the sixth Amendment, everybody on trial has the right to
24:30
Speaker 1: cross examine witnesses, evidence, documents, tests used against them, and
24:36
Speaker 1: if the person's now dead, you cannot cross examine them.
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Speaker 1: It's hearsay. So how can you get this information into
24:44
Speaker 1: evidence to show if you can, that there were prior
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Speaker 1: attempts on Eric's life. The first one, Jenn Smith, is
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Speaker 1: I believe about three years ago in Greece, family vacation,
24:54
Speaker 1: as you described, and they had dinner and drinks together
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Speaker 1: and he got very very ill, and that's when he
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Speaker 1: called a sister. Was that when he called a sister?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we think so, we know that we're not sure
25:09
Speaker 6: exactly when this vacation was, only that it was several
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Speaker 6: years ago, maybe a few years ago. And he confided
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Speaker 6: in his sister. And this is a sister who he
25:18
Speaker 6: continued to confide in especially about his marital problems with Curry.
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Speaker 6: So that was the first instant.
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Speaker 1: So I believe it was about three years ago. That
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Speaker 1: was in Greece. Fast forward, he didn't die. Fast forward
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Speaker 1: to this past March. Okay, March a year ago. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.
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Speaker 1: What happened Jin? What happened Jen Smith?
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Speaker 6: We know that they sat down to have dinner together
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Speaker 6: in their home and for whatever reason, even though he
25:53
Speaker 6: has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to
25:56
Speaker 6: poison him at least once before he sits her, he
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Speaker 6: has a meal with her and again he becomes incredibly ill.
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Speaker 6: He doesn't die, and we don't really know even if
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Speaker 6: he went to the hospital. We're just going off of
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Speaker 6: what we've seen in the start for it, and it's
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Speaker 6: been released so far. He became very very ill after
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Speaker 6: that Valentine see.
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Speaker 1: And it was so bad he used an EpiPen and
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Speaker 1: vinagrill and still went unconscious. Guess what, he didn't die again,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold, if I had two brushes with death
26:31
Speaker 1: while David is hovering over me, I would leave. But
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Speaker 1: I've got a feeling this guy, Eric Richards, did not
26:39
Speaker 1: want to believe his wife would try to kill him,
26:42
Speaker 1: even though he verbalized that I think she's trying to
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Speaker 1: poison me. I think he didn't want to truly accept
26:50
Speaker 1: it and leave the boys.
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Speaker 5: I completely agree with you. And if you thought that
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Speaker 5: someone was actually trying to kill you, and this is
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Speaker 5: the person that has been called love of your life,
27:02
Speaker 5: then what could she possibly do to your children if
27:05
Speaker 5: you're not there? So you can't abandon your children for
27:08
Speaker 5: your own sake. No, people don't do that. So he
27:12
Speaker 5: was just taking his chances. I guess, scared, probably in
27:17
Speaker 5: some disbelief that she would actually want to kill him. Right,
27:21
Speaker 5: So you might think it, but you're still going to
27:24
Speaker 5: be in disbelief that this woman who you're sleeping with
27:27
Speaker 5: and who you're going on trips with and you're going
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Speaker 5: to the kids' baseball games with, is actually trying to
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Speaker 5: kill you, and who you're practicing your Mormon religion with.
27:38
Speaker 5: How we call that an incongruent thought? How incongruent could
27:43
Speaker 5: that be to this man? Okay, maybe she's trying to
27:46
Speaker 5: kill me, but really is she?
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Speaker 10: Is?
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Speaker 12: She?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think he just really he may have said that,
27:52
Speaker 1: but he couldn't truly take it in. You know another thing,
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Speaker 1: I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too,
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Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI. I love cell phone data.
28:03
Speaker 1: I love it so much. I want you to take
28:05
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventeen our friend Ariel Harrison.
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Speaker 2: Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she
28:12
Speaker 2: was away from her phone that night and it was
28:14
Speaker 2: left on a charger by her bed. Teams, However, gathered
28:17
Speaker 2: evidence the phone was in use during that time and
28:20
Speaker 2: sent messages had been deleted. Additional evidence showed Corey was
28:24
Speaker 2: in contact with a drug dealer in Ogden leading up
28:27
Speaker 2: to Eric's death. The legal document state she received both
28:31
Speaker 2: hydrocodone pills and fentanyl from the dealer, claiming the drugs
28:35
Speaker 2: were intended for a client experiencing back pain. At one point,
28:38
Speaker 2: please say she requested for quote the Michael Jackson stuff,
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Speaker 2: asking specifically for fentanyl. Information from the autopsy report determined
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Speaker 2: Eric died from an overdose of fentanyl five times the
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Speaker 2: lethal dosage.
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Speaker 1: Well that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is
28:54
Speaker 1: so much, way too fast. I can't drink it and
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Speaker 1: let's just start with Bobby Chacne the phone evidence, because
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Speaker 1: she says, I wasn't on the phone all night. I
29:07
Speaker 1: plugged it in in our room, and then I went
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Speaker 1: down the hall to sleep with one of my boys
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Speaker 1: who was having nightmares. I go back at three am
29:16
Speaker 1: ish and I find him culture the touch. Did I
29:20
Speaker 1: immediately perform CPR, But the phone says and helped me out?
29:26
Speaker 1: Jas Smith, I believe the phones showed that there have
29:28
Speaker 1: been a lot of texting back and forth during the
29:31
Speaker 1: time where she says the phone was plugged in, not
29:34
Speaker 1: in use while she was in her son's room, and
29:38
Speaker 1: all those texts were deleted. So what is she doing
29:43
Speaker 1: texting back and forth while her husband is dying and
29:46
Speaker 1: then lying about it? I mean, Ja Smith, that are
29:50
Speaker 1: those facts correct?
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Speaker 6: Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that
29:55
Speaker 6: she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that
29:58
Speaker 6: she left her phone, and maybe she thought that it
30:01
Speaker 6: was the location inside the heismand so but yeah, she
30:06
Speaker 6: there is a record, there's a digital record. We know
30:08
Speaker 6: that we've spoken about it many times. Then you can't
30:11
Speaker 6: get rid of it, this digital foit print.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Bobby's Cohn just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex
30:19
Speaker 1: Murdogg and the double murder of his wife and son,
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Speaker 1: Maggie and Maggie and Paul. So what about this, have
30:26
Speaker 1: my phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until
30:28
Speaker 1: I find him killed? Overdad?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean when you have a case like this
30:31
Speaker 9: with she's the only other person that could have, you know,
30:34
Speaker 9: either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth entry,
30:37
Speaker 9: there's no blunt trauma. You immediately start to get her
30:40
Speaker 9: story and for her her initial statement. The minute those
30:43
Speaker 9: phone records come back and you realize she lied to you,
30:46
Speaker 9: she has to become suspect number one because now, why
30:48
Speaker 9: would a wife lie about using her phone in the
30:51
Speaker 9: immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead, or during the
30:55
Speaker 9: period where she found him dead, or shortly before that.
30:57
Speaker 9: So the minute you find out she lied to you
30:59
Speaker 9: about the phone, you have to start taking a much
31:02
Speaker 9: harder look at her, who her associates, look at her
31:04
Speaker 9: phone records, harder who shod been calling? Who should be
31:07
Speaker 9: going in contact with? So she made her by lying,
31:10
Speaker 9: She made herself suspect number one. If she would have
31:13
Speaker 9: simply come up with a different excuse on why she
31:16
Speaker 9: was texting maybe she had the phone in bed with
31:18
Speaker 9: her with the kid and she was. But the minute
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Speaker 9: she lied about that, she has to become suspect one
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Speaker 9: right then.
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Speaker 1: The gig is up. Jeffrey Wolf, high profile lawyer joining
31:27
Speaker 1: us out of Colorado at Wolflawcolorado dot com. I want
31:32
Speaker 1: you to take a listen to another alarming circumstance and
31:36
Speaker 1: our cut three our friends from crime online dot com.
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Speaker 13: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill
31:44
Speaker 13: after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his
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Speaker 13: wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,
31:50
Speaker 13: can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and
31:53
Speaker 13: taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up, he calls his business partner,
31:57
Speaker 13: Cody Wright to let him know what has just happened. Then,
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Speaker 13: without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will
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Speaker 13: and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with
32:09
Speaker 13: his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might
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Speaker 13: kill him for the money, and he wants his children
32:16
Speaker 13: to be financially secure.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jeffrey Wolf, Mini A true word is spoken
32:22
Speaker 1: in just says Shakespeare. But truer words were never spoken.
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Speaker 1: He goes, she might try to just kill me for
32:29
Speaker 1: the money. He's dead.
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Speaker 8: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Here, you've got her this part of Jeffrey Wolf. She
32:58
Speaker 1: goes into his life insurance policy where his partner, Cody
33:08
Speaker 1: is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes it
33:13
Speaker 1: to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary. And
33:19
Speaker 1: he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where he
33:23
Speaker 1: gets horribly ill, he cracks a joke, Hey, she might
33:27
Speaker 1: kill me for the money, and he changes his will.
33:32
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeffrey willf That is no joke.
33:36
Speaker 10: No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw
33:39
Speaker 10: here in this case is you see her attempt to
33:42
Speaker 10: take his business life insurance policy. I have one with
33:45
Speaker 10: my law partner. If something happens to one of us,
33:47
Speaker 10: we want to make sure the business is secure. And
33:49
Speaker 10: so she goes into that policy and attempts to change
33:52
Speaker 10: it so that she gets the money if he dies.
33:55
Speaker 10: And then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife
33:59
Speaker 10: has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her.
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Speaker 10: One of my employees, does you can bet your bottom dollar.
34:05
Speaker 10: If I'm making them food or if I'm buying a
34:06
Speaker 10: meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients are
34:09
Speaker 10: not present, because those are people I care about who
34:12
Speaker 10: I have a knowledge would be in trouble.
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Speaker 1: What is your wife allergic to you? By the way, She's.
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Speaker 10: Allergic to raw tomatoes. It's a very unique allergy that
34:19
Speaker 10: a lot of restaurants have trouble with. But you can
34:22
Speaker 10: bet your bottom dollar there's no raw tomatoes than anything
34:24
Speaker 10: I buy her or serve her, because I know what
34:27
Speaker 10: would happen, okay, And so the fact that she did
34:31
Speaker 10: that is incredibly concerning. And she did it after attempting
34:35
Speaker 10: to make that change. The company caught it, by the way,
34:38
Speaker 10: and it was changed back. And then when he wakes
34:42
Speaker 10: up from that, he calls his business partner to tell
34:45
Speaker 10: him his suspicions. Joking or not, that could be a
34:48
Speaker 10: present sense impression, which is a reason to get hearsay
34:51
Speaker 10: in at the trial. Since you were mentioning hearsay before.
34:54
Speaker 10: Wasn't aware I had an evidence test today, but I'm
34:56
Speaker 10: going to pass it.
34:57
Speaker 1: I was ready to pounce on you with a here's
35:00
Speaker 1: say loophole that go.
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Speaker 10: Ahead, I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My
35:05
Speaker 10: evidence practicum professor from law school would be so proud
35:09
Speaker 10: and so present. Sense impression allows those statements of somebody
35:13
Speaker 10: who is not available to be cross examined.
35:15
Speaker 9: To come in.
35:16
Speaker 10: But it's going to require a recency to the event
35:19
Speaker 10: and something to say that they were still under the
35:21
Speaker 10: impression of that event in order to be able to
35:24
Speaker 10: get that statement in. So how quickly he called him
35:27
Speaker 10: after he woke up needing to use an epipennant benadryl
35:30
Speaker 10: is going to matter a great deal.
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Speaker 1: How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?
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Speaker 10: So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're
35:41
Speaker 10: seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in
35:44
Speaker 10: that moment.
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Speaker 1: It happens a lot.
35:45
Speaker 10: On nine to one one.
35:46
Speaker 1: Calls right right when you wake up from an overdose
35:49
Speaker 1: of fentel that kind of excited utterance.
35:52
Speaker 10: It could be an excited utterance, but it has you
35:54
Speaker 10: have to be excited, right, So it's not just that
35:57
Speaker 10: you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as it's happening.
36:00
Speaker 9: You have to be in an.
36:01
Speaker 10: Excited state as well. That emotional state. If he called
36:04
Speaker 10: and he's making a joke about it, that could still
36:07
Speaker 10: be a present sense impression to say that this is
36:10
Speaker 10: something that I have recently seen.
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Speaker 1: You think there's any problem getting these statements in?
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Speaker 10: Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough
36:16
Speaker 10: road to hoe to get these statements of somebody who's
36:19
Speaker 10: not able.
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Speaker 1: I totally disagree. That's why we have the exceptions to
36:23
Speaker 1: the hearsay role for situations.
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Speaker 10: Just like this. It is exactly why we have the
36:30
Speaker 10: hearsay exceptions. However, in a court and you're doing a
36:34
Speaker 10: criminal trial, the only person who has a right to
36:36
Speaker 10: a fair trial is the criminal defendant, and some judges
36:39
Speaker 10: will err on the side of caution.
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Speaker 1: True, Okay, you know what, let me throw something else
36:43
Speaker 1: at you. Let me throw something else at you. Now
36:46
Speaker 1: we already know that you know what's your cut five KSL.
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Speaker 14: Core papers say Corey first bought painkillers from a drug
36:54
Speaker 14: dealer weeks later, asking for something stronger. She called it
36:58
Speaker 14: some of the Michael Jackson's That was just before Valentine's
37:02
Speaker 14: Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day, Eric became
37:06
Speaker 14: very ill and believed he had been poisoned and told
37:08
Speaker 14: a friend he thought his wife was trying to poison him.
37:12
Speaker 14: The dealer told police that two weeks later, Corey purchased morphetanyl.
37:16
Speaker 14: Six days later, on March fourth, twenty twenty two, Eric
37:20
Speaker 14: was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.
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Speaker 1: Let me get this straight. Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter
37:25
Speaker 1: dailymail dot Com, on the story from the very beginning.
37:28
Speaker 1: So he has the horrible episode in Greece where he
37:33
Speaker 1: calls his sister says, I swear I think she's trying
37:35
Speaker 1: to kill me.
37:36
Speaker 9: Ha ha ha.
37:37
Speaker 1: Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,
37:43
Speaker 1: another horrible episode after eating and drinking. There is your
37:47
Speaker 1: similar transaction Jeff Wolfe. Always after ingesting food or or
37:52
Speaker 1: drink beverage with his wife, always the same mo motus operandi,
37:58
Speaker 1: method of operation. It's whatever it is. If whatever he
38:01
Speaker 1: is ingesting, so is Valentine's. They have a dinner and drinks, Bam,
38:07
Speaker 1: he's out again. This time he lives the second time,
38:13
Speaker 1: changes his insurance back, changes his will, And then we
38:19
Speaker 1: find out that prior to the February incident Valentine's and
38:23
Speaker 1: the March incident, she goes back to the drug dealer
38:26
Speaker 1: and she says, hey, I need some more. She buys
38:29
Speaker 1: nine hundred dollars worth of fentinyl in March. He doesn't die.
38:35
Speaker 1: She goes back to the same dealer says, hey, give
38:37
Speaker 1: me some more. Man. She buys nine hundred dollars worth more.
38:41
Speaker 1: This time he dies. You know, have you ever seen
38:45
Speaker 1: those pictures? If you want to be an artist, you
38:47
Speaker 1: can just paint between the lines and suddenly have this
38:50
Speaker 1: beautiful picture. Jeff Wolf's yeah, I have seen it.
38:53
Speaker 10: And that's what we're looking at here, is that the
38:55
Speaker 10: pieces of this just keep coming into focus. And throw
38:59
Speaker 10: on top of the fact that these are similar transactions
39:02
Speaker 10: that could go to a modus operande or a pattern
39:05
Speaker 10: of behavior. But throw into that that a lot of states,
39:08
Speaker 10: my state Colorado being one of them, have domestic violence
39:11
Speaker 10: allowances for similar transaction. Four be evidence as well to
39:16
Speaker 10: show the certain types of behaviors that can occur in
39:19
Speaker 10: a domestic violence relationship as well. And you're going to
39:22
Speaker 10: start seeing all of this stuff like an avalanche coming
39:25
Speaker 10: in against the defense, and it is going to be very,
39:27
Speaker 10: very tough to beat it all back with, no matter
39:30
Speaker 10: how big your that.
39:31
Speaker 1: Is Bobby Jacon and Jenn Smith. I want you to
39:33
Speaker 1: hear our cut seven are friends at ABC.
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Speaker 12: A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping
39:38
Speaker 12: with grief after the death of her husband last year
39:41
Speaker 12: has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was
39:43
Speaker 12: arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: She also faced drug charges.
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Speaker 12: Just last month, Richards appeared on local TV to promote
39:51
Speaker 12: her book about a boy who lost his dad. At
39:54
Speaker 12: the time, she said her husband's unexpected death left her
39:57
Speaker 12: and their three boys reeling.
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Speaker 1: Bobby kin own not only the costly she murdered him.
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Speaker 1: She then writes a book and tries to sell it
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Speaker 1: on TV and on Amazon.
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Speaker 9: Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure
40:11
Speaker 9: the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's attacted
40:13
Speaker 9: that much. I mean, they probably already had her in
40:16
Speaker 9: their sight. You know, her journey to do this kind
40:20
Speaker 9: of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm
40:23
Speaker 9: sure that, you know, once they saw the toxicology report,
40:26
Speaker 9: once they got those phone records back, which was all
40:28
Speaker 9: within six, eight, ten weeks of the event of the murder,
40:32
Speaker 9: they had her in their sites, and it was a
40:34
Speaker 9: matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,
40:38
Speaker 9: and just tying everything together with the prosecutor and putting
40:40
Speaker 9: it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,
40:43
Speaker 9: I just I think that impacts her reputation in the
40:46
Speaker 9: community more than this actual case because everything was put together.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more
40:52
Speaker 1: than murdering her husband. Doctor Angey Arnold, will you help
40:56
Speaker 1: me out please, I mean, to murder your husband and
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Speaker 1: then write a book about how much your children are
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Speaker 1: suffering what they're going through. We had one child that
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Speaker 1: I was already having nightmares, according to her. But doing
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Speaker 1: that not just to your husband, but to your children
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Speaker 1: and then trying to profit off of it.
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Speaker 5: With a book, Nancy, I think it shows that she
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Speaker 5: has a complete lack of attachment to her husband.
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Speaker 1: I certainly you're not about to say lots.
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Speaker 5: Of people do not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay,
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Speaker 5: So I believe that she lacks attachment to the people
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Speaker 5: in her life, and that is what It doesn't mean
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Speaker 5: you're insane, no, but she doesn't have any attachment. How
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Speaker 5: do you kill your husband? So to me, that's the
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Speaker 5: worst thing that she's done, so anything after that okay.
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Speaker 1: For me, Doctor Angie Arnold. She can take her lack
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Speaker 1: of attachment capability and ride that broomstick straight to hell.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,