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Patriots Catch-22 7/22: Training Camp Preview, Burning Questions · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 2: Bazaar from Lazarre, Hello, everybody nailed it.
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  Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.
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  Speaker 4: To Catch Touch tu to Catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, It's Evan Lazarre, It's Alex barth Say it's
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  Speaker 1: behind the glass and we're back.
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  Speaker 2: We're back, We're back.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks off vacation it was very nice.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'm back and I'm ready. I'm excited. I
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  Speaker 1: got a little bit of that training camp excitement on
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  Speaker 1: Monday when I woke up Alex and you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not that's not usually my thing. I'm not. I'm not like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, cliche like that a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 1: But you get the juice's phone in a little bit
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  Speaker 1: that that football. We're close. We're close. But a lot
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  Speaker 1: has happened since the last time we had a live show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: none of it really about the Patriots, but Jalen Brown
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  Speaker 1: was traded. The Red Sox have won fourteen straight and.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody on Twitter said the Red Sox have not lost
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  Speaker 2: and sweeping on the I think that's technically incorrect because
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  Speaker 2: our last show was July first, right, so, and they
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  Speaker 2: lost that night.
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  Speaker 1: The last unfiltered that I did before I went on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown got traded later that day.
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  Speaker 2: It was the same day, So that was July first, right,
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  Speaker 2: that was.
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  Speaker 1: Right before the fourth of July, so July second, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think we did. Our last show was July first, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and the Red Sox lost that night.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So fourteen straight for the Red Sox. Jalen Brown traded.
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  Speaker 1: No longer a Celtic. The World Cup is over, you
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  Speaker 1: know that.
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  Speaker 2: That just I noticed driving in.
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  Speaker 1: That's over. That's done. And the TV's behind us are
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  Speaker 1: going nuts. That's okay, all right, we'll fix them there.
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  Speaker 1: Don't let it distract you. And now we're three days
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  Speaker 1: away from training camp. I'll just poof. Here we are,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the second time that we've come off
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  Speaker 1: the team going to a super Bowl and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: going through an off season afterwards. But I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this one flew by, Like this offseason. I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like I woke up and all of a sudden, we're
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  Speaker 1: back into training camp. In the twenty twenty sixth season
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  Speaker 1: is upon us, so exciting times. I'm excited to get
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  Speaker 1: going again, get some real football, to have some real
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  Speaker 1: opinions to talk about. But for one last time, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about things that haven't happened yet, right,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna look forward and preview training camp. So
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  Speaker 1: I have a list that I made of just sort
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  Speaker 1: of burning questions, you know, your cliche training camp questions,
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  Speaker 1: and I went positioned by a position, so I have
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  Speaker 1: one for every position. We're going to run through those
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  Speaker 1: before we do that, though, I do want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the little bit of news that we got last
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  Speaker 1: night yesterday with the PUP guys and the NFI guys.
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  Speaker 1: So for the Patriots, three names to know Harold Landry
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  Speaker 1: and CJ. Deprie go on PUP and Terrell Jennings goes
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  Speaker 1: on NFI. So not a major surprise. With Landry. I
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  Speaker 1: think we knew that one was maybe coming. My big
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  Speaker 1: takeaway though, with Landry, I feel like this is all
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  Speaker 1: part of a bigger plan by the team to try
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  Speaker 1: to keep Harold Landry as healthy as possible for the
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  Speaker 1: duration of the regular season. Mike Rabele said it in
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  Speaker 1: the spring. We're at the point of Harold lander was
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  Speaker 1: a year nine, year ten something like that, where reps
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning part of training camp or in August
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  Speaker 1: or in preseason games probably not that important. So this
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  Speaker 1: is about long term health and long term longevity for
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  Speaker 1: him to be healthy. With that being said, I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people have concerns about the edge position.
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  Speaker 1: Gay Back is still in flux with that situation, but
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  Speaker 1: just let's stick with the BUP guys for now, with
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  Speaker 1: Landry Dupre and then NiFi with Jennings. Just what was
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  Speaker 1: your takeaway from seeing those three names?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first off, it is exciting that we're back here.
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  Speaker 2: We're on the precipice of this. Let me just throw
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  Speaker 2: that in. I also kind of felt the juice on Monday,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll say this, like this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: year nine for us covering the team. Actually get sentimental, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: Andry's going in a year eight no sentimental, Just like
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  Speaker 2: some of it has become routine. As much as I
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it, I still get a little something when I
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  Speaker 2: get the email that my credential has been approved. Not
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  Speaker 2: that I don't expect it to be, but like hell,
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  Speaker 2: like here we go, Ye're nine, let's get it. So
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  Speaker 2: between Monday and that I've kind of been. I felt
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  Speaker 2: that the juice this week. I felt the real juice.
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  Speaker 2: I have a theory on that we can get to
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  Speaker 2: on why maybe me and you specifically are feeling the
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  Speaker 2: juice that we haven't in a while. On the PP
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  Speaker 2: guys with Landry, they they could still sit him and
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  Speaker 2: not put them on PE. I think that means that
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  Speaker 2: he is still dealing with something. And I've talked about
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and maybe more than anything else this offseason,
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  Speaker 2: I'm worried about their situation on the edge. I actually
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  Speaker 2: think it is the biggest concern going into camp. I
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  Speaker 2: would rank it ahead of Christian Gonzalez's contract. Now that's
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  Speaker 2: subject to change. If we get into mid August and
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  Speaker 2: he's still not signed, then I would be more worried.
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  Speaker 2: But and there's been reporting out. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you want to get more to this, but Breer had
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  Speaker 2: something on this. I think there was something on NFL
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  Speaker 2: network maybe rap sheet that Devin Witherspoon's probably gonna sign first,
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  Speaker 2: set the groundwork, then Gonzalez will sign, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: all right. If Witherspoon was signed and they were still
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  Speaker 2: waiting on Gonzalz, I'd be more worried, But I'm worried
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  Speaker 2: about the edge than anything else. I will say. I
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  Speaker 2: think some people have heard some people say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is herold Leanjury that good of a player that you
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  Speaker 2: know his absence makes that much of a difference. I
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  Speaker 2: think because of how much he fell off in the
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  Speaker 2: second half last year, not even the second half really
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  Speaker 2: after like a month and a half, people forget how
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  Speaker 2: good he was at the start.
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  Speaker 1: Of the season.
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  Speaker 2: He still led the team in sad despite really being
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  Speaker 2: a non factor down the stretch. If he's right, he's
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  Speaker 2: a major boost for this defense. But he has to
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  Speaker 2: be right, so you know, he's got to get back
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  Speaker 2: on the field and get back into shape and all that.
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  Speaker 2: You hope that happens sooner rather than later. One other
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  Speaker 2: takeaway from this the other two guys that are on there,
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  Speaker 2: which is Dupre and Jennings, both guys who were squarely
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  Speaker 2: in the mix and roster battles I think for the
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  Speaker 2: third tight end spot and third running back spot. So
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  Speaker 2: Clock's kind of ticking on them because those are guys
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  Speaker 2: that need to show out this summer to make the team,
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  Speaker 2: and fair or not the old saying you can't make
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  Speaker 2: the club from the tubs.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think with the edge when we were
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  Speaker 1: texting about this a little bit last night, to me,
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  Speaker 1: I guess the tiny bit of optimism that I have
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  Speaker 1: with that position because I think the question I've been asking,
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  Speaker 1: just to kind of preface this is why don't they
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  Speaker 1: seem super concerned about it?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Because when we talked to Mike Rabel in the spring,
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  Speaker 1: he seemed like he kind of dismissed it. A questions
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  Speaker 1: about that position, you and I media fans, we look
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  Speaker 1: at it from the outside looking in, and we say
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  Speaker 1: that's the weakest spot on the roster. Right, that's the
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  Speaker 1: weakest position on the roster. They don't really have enough there.
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  Speaker 1: But then internally, at least what they're saying publicly is
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  Speaker 1: that they feel okay about that spot. So my thought was, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: why would they feel okay about it if we're so
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  Speaker 1: panicked about it? And I think when you look at
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  Speaker 1: it is that last year they made the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: with kind of comparable talent at that position. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Deraimont Jones and Calevon Chase on to me are a
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  Speaker 1: clean one for one swab. If you look at their
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  Speaker 1: numbers from last year, on a you know, pass rush numbers,
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  Speaker 1: things like that, they're basically identical between those two guys.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're kind of the same guy, honestly, Like
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  Speaker 1: Draymond Jones may be a little bit bigger, and I
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  Speaker 1: think they're hoping that he's gonna be a little bit
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  Speaker 1: sturdier against a run than Chase on was. But from
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  Speaker 1: a pressure rate, win rate, all those different types of metrics,
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  Speaker 1: they're basically the same. So Draymond does is healthy, He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna play a lot for this team. Landry and Atis
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  Speaker 1: are big. They internally they seem to be really high
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  Speaker 1: on Elijah Ponder, which we're gonna get to and in
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  Speaker 1: the questions in a little bit. So the combination of Landry,
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  Speaker 1: I guess Anthrony Jennings last year in Ponder versus this
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  Speaker 1: year of Landry Akus and Elijah Ponder, I guess maybe
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  Speaker 1: if you think everybody is eventually going to be healthy,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of the same group that they had last year.
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  Speaker 1: Now you could say that that wasn't good enough, and
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  Speaker 1: we could have that right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when you got to the playoffs, they had
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  Speaker 2: to blitz the crap out of teams to get pressure and.
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  Speaker 1: Well, did they have to blitz the crap out of
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  Speaker 1: the teams to get pressure or did they blitz the
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  Speaker 1: crap out of teams because they knew it was the
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  Speaker 1: best way to win. Maybe, But like when you're going
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  Speaker 1: up against depleted offensive lines, backup quarterbacks, things like that,
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  Speaker 1: sense to heat them up, right, I mean, that's just that.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the way that it.
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  Speaker 2: Just went, I guess, but it's and they could do
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  Speaker 2: it again this year because they have a very good secondary,
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  Speaker 2: but they have some deaf questions at corner, and it's
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  Speaker 2: can you do it? It feels like a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a house of cards to replicate. I think if, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, if everybody's over the course of seventeen, right,
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  Speaker 2: if everybody's healthy, I think they certainly have enough. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I in the same breath as is everybody healthy, Well,
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  Speaker 2: one guy's on pup, another guy isn't even signed yet, right,
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  Speaker 2: So the answer to that is already kind of no,
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  Speaker 2: and the coaches of acknowledge even once Actis gets signed,
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  Speaker 2: he's behind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's totally fair. I'm not trying to say
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  Speaker 1: that there's not a concern there. I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out if they're being if we're taking them at phase
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  Speaker 1: value for what they're saying publicly, why internally do they
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  Speaker 1: feel higher on this their edge group than they we
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  Speaker 1: do externally. And I think the reason is is that
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  Speaker 1: they kind of felt, probably feel that the talent is
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  Speaker 1: comparable to what they had last year. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that they have you know, Miles Garrett and you know
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  Speaker 1: whatever on the other side, right like, this isn't the
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  Speaker 1: Rams or something like that where they have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: great pass rushers on the outside. They don't. But maybe
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  Speaker 1: they feel like between some of the scheming that they
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  Speaker 1: can do in the pass rush with the blitzer and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, between the guys on the interior like
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams and Christian Barmore wreaking havoc, that just like
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  Speaker 1: last year, they'll have enough. Now we'll see in the
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  Speaker 1: long run. The CG. Dupree one is interesting because of
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  Speaker 1: the battle that you mentioned at tight end for the
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  Speaker 1: third spot. We're going to talk a little Eli Rearden
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  Speaker 1: here in a second. But between guys like Dupre, Tanner, Arkin,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what they think of Jack Westover,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is he back in to being a tight
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  Speaker 1: end at this point now? That they have full back
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  Speaker 1: depth again, he doesn't have to moonlight as a full back.
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  Speaker 1: Arkin's one guy that I remain high on that I
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  Speaker 1: think has a chance to really make a push here
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  Speaker 1: once the pads come on. So similar players though, like
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  Speaker 1: if Dupray's not healthy, it's in. They're looking for that
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  Speaker 1: third tight end to really be a blocker and maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll replace some of the things that Julian Hill left behind. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Arkins gonna have a leg up if our
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  Speaker 1: If Arkin's healthy for the first week of camp and
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  Speaker 1: Depre isn't, then Arkins gonna have a leg up. So
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  Speaker 1: that that's another name that I would just circle highlight
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  Speaker 1: on the on the roster as a guy that I
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  Speaker 1: think has a real chance here. Is Tanner Arkin as
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  Speaker 1: like kind of an under the radar guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I I don't think he's as much
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  Speaker 2: under the radar as maybe he was coming in, just
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  Speaker 2: because again the injury to Julian Hill and now C J. Jprie,
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  Speaker 2: Like we're gonna see a good amount of him. I
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  Speaker 2: think we even saw more of him than Eli Rariden,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like in the spring, which is a little
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  Speaker 2: surprising because Raredan was a top one hundred pick.
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  Speaker 1: How many times have we seen that at the EUDFA
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots endo, I mean a million times. It feels like,
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't the maybe I have the draft wrong? Was No?
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: I think I have the drafts wrong. Jac Jackson was
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  Speaker 1: here before Jwan Williams, right, No, j C. Jackson he was.
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  Speaker 2: But I think they took another corner in eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember I the Juwan Williams one stands out
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  Speaker 1: to me for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so in eighteen they took Duke Dawson and Jason
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  Speaker 2: jac Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: That was what I was thinking of.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I know, I think they had another UDFA
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  Speaker 2: corner in twenty nineteen two. Let me try to find
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  Speaker 2: this thing on.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely remember the Dude Dawson, j C. Jackson thing
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  Speaker 1: that was second round pick UDFA, and in typical Patriot fashion,
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  Speaker 1: the UDFA ended up being the player.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and did they take a corner in fourteen when
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  Speaker 2: they had Malcolm Butler or maybe it was Jonathan Jones,
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  Speaker 2: one of those guys who became a staple might have
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  Speaker 2: been they took.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's happened a million times. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: with that sort of thing with Terrell Jennings just quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Goes D'Angelo Ross was the same year as Okay, he
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  Speaker 2: was a fringed for a player. It'sill in the league.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, on Browns, Terrell Jennings on NFI, you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the third running back, it's really him, jam Miller, Miles
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  Speaker 1: Montgomery competing for that third spot. Lan Larrison, Oh my guy,
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  Speaker 1: Land Larrison. How could I forget?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he looked like the favorite in the spring.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe it's those three chasing Lean Larrison.
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because I I think that the I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what percentage I would put on it, but
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  Speaker 1: I put a high percentage on kickoff return and special
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  Speaker 1: teams value being big for that competition. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know exactly when we'll start to see that, But unless
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  Speaker 1: some guy like Land Larrison is just so clearly a
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  Speaker 1: better offensive player than everybody else, they every third running
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  Speaker 1: back that they had last year return kicks, right, Antonio Gibson,
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  Speaker 1: Dearness Johnson, Terrell Jennings, go right down the list.
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  Speaker 2: It's a special team's role.
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  Speaker 1: Whoever was active as a third running back on game
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  Speaker 1: day was returning kickoffs.
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  Speaker 2: I think that I also wouldn't roll out them potentially
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  Speaker 2: keeping four running backs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well so, but four running backs plus Gilliam, who's
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  Speaker 1: I would put with the tight ends? But regardless, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have a full back in there too. One of
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  Speaker 1: the things that I've been thinking about a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is there a chance that they only keep
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  Speaker 1: two true tight ends. You're with Henry and.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and you start off by elevating those guys off
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  Speaker 2: the practice squad, and then you go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because you have Gilliam. Gilliam is right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically whatever you want to call them, all right, So
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  Speaker 1: those are the pup and if I guys we can
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  Speaker 1: talk about that obviously top storylines with the team right now.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales, Gay Bacchus, I would say Harold Landry probably
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  Speaker 1: in that order. With my questions, I tried to go
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  Speaker 1: a little deeper than that, this is Cash twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about the same thing that
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about for the last three months. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure we'll get calls and emails on those situations, so
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  Speaker 1: once we get to that portion of the show, we
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: can give our takes of where we stand on those things.
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  Speaker 1: So I tried to go a little bit deeper or
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit different than some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that we've been talking about at nauseum on the show
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  Speaker 1: for the last month or so.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll through out I did the same thing. I
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  Speaker 2: put up my lists, So I did talk position battles
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday. This morning, I did my list of one
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  Speaker 2: non position battle thing to watch at each position. And
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  Speaker 2: to your point, if we want to dig a little deeper,
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  Speaker 2: because those were the biggest, I will have tomorrow a
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  Speaker 2: handful of players who are under the radar but in
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  Speaker 2: the spotlight, and so I'll touch on some of those
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  Speaker 2: two that'll be up tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Love it. This is this is our time of year.
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  Speaker 1: This is a great time of year for us. This
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  Speaker 1: is the draft in training camp. I feel like our
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: wheelhouse on this show. Yeah, I feel like this is
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  Speaker 1: our place.
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  Speaker 2: Like the more players were dealing with that one any
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: given point, the better we do.
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  Speaker 1: And because I'm not trying to pat ourselves on the back,
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  Speaker 1: but like the ninety first guy matters on catch twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you say that it matters, so
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  Speaker 1: I certainly the punter, I certainly hope you included special
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  Speaker 1: teams on your list. I did the punter matters on
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two despite your best effort. You want to
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: get into how they're going to replace Marte Mapu as
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: the personal protector on the punt unit.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: That's a good one, but that's not what I had
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: for mine. We can do that on this show, and
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Larrison got some reps at that this spring.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: So there you go that that's why what are you
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: laughing about? Behind the glass there is what are you
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: laughing about?
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: You just sound so facetious when you say it.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Why do you think I sound facetio?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: It's just how you sound. It's like, yeah, we we
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: do talk about it.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: It is important, it is important, But I don't believe
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: you we cover the whole relief that you actually think that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And I do think that, like if they so. Here
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. The reason why I think that is
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: that I think this team has got real aspirations. And
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: we get into the playoffs in January and the personal
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: protector screws up the protection and a plot and a
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: punt gets blocked in the AFC Championship game. Gonna we're
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: gonna have.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: To talk about. So that's the thing. The last couple
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: of years no.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: One time it happens is when it matters.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: The last couple Leonard Taylor blocked a field goal last
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: year in the Championship that was massive. Might have him
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: on one of my lists here last couple of years.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: And so to go back to your point, to go
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: back to something you said earlier, right, why does this
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: camp maybe feel little? Does this feel different for you
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: than the last few year? Yeah, because they have like
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: they should be a super Bowl. Well, I think there's
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: a layer to it too. It's not just oh, because
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: they're better. I don't think it's quite that simple. I
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: think it's because you know, we always go to cover
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the whole roster like that is the approach I take
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: in my coverage. Cover the whole team one to ninety
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: one to fifty three, plus the practice squad, whatever it
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: may be. But sometimes when you do that and the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: team's bad, it's like, hey, they're a four win team,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: why are you talking about the third receiver? Now that
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: they're this good? These things matter because the last few years,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: when we talked about this is a concern going into camp,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: we meant that in the context of I'm concerned this
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: is going to prevent them from legitimately winning like games. Right,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: this is gonna prevent them from having a representative showing
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: when we talk about concerns this year because I have
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: some concerns, I think you have some concerns. We talked
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: about the edge group. The concern is in the context
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of getting back to and winning the Super Bowl. Yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be I really don't know. These are first
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: world problems, right, They're gonna be contending. Baseline, They contend
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: for the division. That's the baseline. So we do the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: concerns differently that way, and then to add on to that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And I know I've given this take a million times,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: but I want to I'm gonna kind of hit people
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: over the head with it because I think it's important.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: The first couple camps we covered, we didn't run out
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of there going, well the quarterback, do we gotta talk
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: about the quarterback? Quarterback? Quarterback? Quarterback? Because it was Tom Brady.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady completed ninety percent of his passes through three
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: touchdowns with no picks and training camp great Sky's blue. Right,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: But then you do you go Cam Newton, Mac Jones
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: versus Cam Newton is mac Jones, Legit mac Jones versus
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Bailey's appy is Drake May legit Drake May vers Dakobe Brissett,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: And then like, okay, how much was Drake mayhel back?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Drake May's quarterback? Great, awesome, that's kind of not like
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: who the quarterback is is not a story. There's some
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: things about Drake May's game will look at talk about.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many times the last five six years
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: did we come in here? Do previous iterations of this
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: show in the first thirty minutes was about whatever the
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: quarterback did, and there were times where that was fun,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: But it's not how me and you came up. Covering camp.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I like a new story. I don't want to say
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: it used to because it wasn't that long ago and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: people should remember back in my day. I like covering camp.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Or there's a new story every day. Hey today we're
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: talking about the tight ends. Hey today we're talking about
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the tackles. Hey today we're talking about pass rush. To day,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: we're talking about the corners. This guy popped, he gets
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the headline. This guy sucked, he gets the headline. This
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: feels like it's going to be or it should be
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that kind of camp. There will be some overarching storyline.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Certainly the Gonzales contract as long as that runs out.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I think Harold Landry, I think Will Campbell will be
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a name that kind of runs throughout camp as a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a top headliner. But we're gonna be talking about different
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: things every day, which is really exciting to me because
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the last couple of camps haven't really been that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say another thing that I was thinking about
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: because I think about the Patriots and football too much. Yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the last time that I had this type of expectation
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: going into a training camp, Tom Brady was still the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: quarterback of this right exactly. I would say it's twenty nineteen, Yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: coming off of them winning a super Bowl.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Even twenty one when they went the playoffs, it was
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: not like this.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Not going into training camp, we had no idea that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that team was gonna win ten games.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying coming out of like going into twenty two,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you mean, yeah, yeah, I know this is as high
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: because even though they they got blown out in the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they made it all the way to they
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: made it the Super Bowl.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: The twenty one team got blown out in the Wild Card,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: they even get off the bus.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: They made it to the super Bowl. As a young
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: team and then added remember that twenty two offseason they
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: did nothing, so right, this feels like like again it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: going to be this is more of the kind of
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: not even that like covering just that I grew up
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: watching and following Oh yeah, sitting in the bleachers reading
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: my grease every day like that kind of thing. This
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: feels like it's going to be more like that kind
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of camp.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Quick quick story, and then I'll get into my list.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I used to go to camp as a fan all
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the time. I'm sure you did that every area. Go
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: back to Bryant a bunch of times. I go as
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: often as I could. In the summer, and I was
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: at a Patriots I wanted to say it was Patriots
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Bucks joint practice, and.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I was sitting I think I know what you're gonna say.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: The hill in the end zone.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Does this involve Adrian Claiborne.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I think it might. Okay, So I'm sitting on the hill,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: uh in the end zone and Tom Brady goes down
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in the pocket holding his knee.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember him?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Is it Adrian Clayborn? Was Adrian Clayborn legend? Somebody into
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Brad He got knocked into Brady. But he fell like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: right at his knee. Yeah, and he and Brady was
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: down yeah a minute, like it was. It was scary.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: The whole You could hear a pin drop. The whole
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: place was like, oh God, here we go again. You know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: this was post a cl So we've seen him teraror
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: his acl before.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this was the summer of twenty fourteen. Yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: because I was finish your story and I'll say that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: That sounds that sounds right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I know it's right.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I I remember just the whole time afterwards,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: we're all just you know, looking at Twitter, look listening
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in the radio, trying to figure out if he's okay.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And then I remember there was we were there for
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: lunch afterwards, we hung out Patriot Plays a little bit
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and went to lunch, and there was a helicopter. Yeah,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that was circling is way before I thought about like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: mister Craft's helicopter like that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You thought they were med flighting.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I thought they were that they might have been med
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: fighting Brady out of out of the facility and we
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: were freaking out, freaking out. He was totally fine.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I had the year on. It was twenty thirteen. But
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I remember I must have had my time. I mixed up.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I was interning for Felburn Maz at the time. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: worked on the TV side, and my job was basically
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: helped them get help the TV side get ready for
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the show, like cut up all the b roll and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: everything the videos that play. So I wouldn't stay for
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the whole show because I'd get in around like eleven
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: o'clock and then i'd usually leave like an hour or
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: two in to the show. And I had just gotten
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: in the car and I'm driving home and I heard
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: them talking about it on the air. Yeah, I was
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: freaking out, and so I like, I pulled over. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: texted my boss. I'm like, do you need me to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: come back? Like I was like, Oh, this is like
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a major story. I'm gonna be a part of this.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Then he obviously was some but I remember getting home
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: like shaken up. My mom's like, what's wrong With'm like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady got hurt at practice. Yeah, She's like, you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: need to relax. No, we don't understand.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: No, you don't understand the other story I have like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that quickly. I was at the game that Gronk broke
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: his forearm on the extra point.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So that was a Keep to Leive's first game with
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah, And I was went with my family
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and I had the whole pregame. Yeah, I'm telling them
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: how great a keep to Leave is, how excited I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: am about this, and how awesome it's going to be.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: A keep to Leave had a pick six in the game,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I think first game as a Patriot. They beat the Colts.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It was like fifty to ten. They blew out the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Andrew Luck Colts like they always did, and Gronk broke
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: his forearm blocking in the extra point and like late
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in the fourth ard of the game. And I had
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: no idea what happened because we were there at the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: game and it wasn't like one of those injuries where
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: he went down in a heap or anything like that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And so we're driving home from the game. We turn
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: on probably your station to listen to the postgame show,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and they're talking about Gronk getting hurt, and I'm like, what.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Are you talking to a training camp? I just was interested, no,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: because I had other good I was. I remember it
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do training camp stories. I remember I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: remember being a training camp. My dad and we would
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: go like two or three days a year usually, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: especially like once I was older and I like had
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: summer jobs and stuff. Whatever day it was, Malcolm Butler
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: went nuts. Malcolm Butler, U dfa nobody, and I remember
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: walking out the whole time, going Malcolm Butler. They found somebody,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Butler. I remember going back to college and telling
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: all my friends were Patriots fans, you got to look
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: out for this guy, Malcolm Butler this year. Malcolm Butler.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I saw him in camp. He's the guy and all that,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and then he made the team and then ultimately what happened.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I was so glad I went that day. I'm sure
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: he had a great camp the rest of the camp,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: but whatever that day was, he had like two picks. Yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that was fun to your story. That reminded me. I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: was at the game. It was the last game I
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: attended in person before I started covering the team. Was
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: when Brady was suspended and Jimmy Garoppolo started against the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Dolphins YEP and hurt his shoulder, and then Brisett got
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: banged up, and I remember the whole ride home we
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: were coming up with who is the most ridiculous court
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: because we all thought patri are gonna have to sign
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a quarterback, right. We didn't think they're gonna go into
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: games with one quarterback, with just a rookie and Jacoby
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Brissette and I remember we were like, who's the most
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: ridiculous quarterback the Patriots could sign. I think Peyton had
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: just retired. I think we were talking about them having
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Peyton Manning come back for a game or something like that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But at the end, Jakobe got the job done. Shout
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: out to him. The Cardinals should pay him.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: By the way, last training camp story, because my grong
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: story wasn't a training camp story. That was such a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: vivid memory for me with him getting hurt. Last one
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I went to training camp was me, my sister, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: my cousin and uh, we were young at this time.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: This is not an adult asking for an autography. This
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was I was the right age to be looking for
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the autographs.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: This was two years ago.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You're a waiting, right, We were waiting for autographs after
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and uh, a former Patriots linebacker came up and signed
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a jersey and we have a picture with him. Who
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: do you think Rabel? Very Mike Rabel. So that was
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. I don't know if i've told him that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: before I doubt he would care.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: My h one more training camp Ball is a former
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Patriots linebacker. I remember being in a practice and some
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: some guy they had signed. He bounced around a couple
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of teams like it was pretty clearly it looked like
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: he was gonna be his last go at it. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: so he's going full motor right because he's trying to
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: make this team, and he bumps into Brady and it
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: was a little late, and Bill got mad at him,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and I remember my dad going, that guy is not
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: going to make the team. It was Rob Ninkovic.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: All right enough, memory Lane, Yeah, all right, let's actually
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: do let's actually do this. Let's let's actually do the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: list that I keep teasing that we're gonna do. All right, so, uh,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: position by position, start with quarterback. Yeah, So I I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: just wrote down May and McDaniels. I just feel like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: we can talk about and we'll get into some of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the under the hood details here of what I more
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: mean by this. But I do really feel like they
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: were scratching the surface year one of what the birth
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of the playbook, you know, the depth of the playbook.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And I did feel like at times and I brought
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: this up on the show before. I did feel like
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: at times in the playoffs, I was starting to see
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of repeat plays, a lot of the same
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: route combinations and concepts. Maybe they were getting to them
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in different formations or with different tweaks, but it was
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same things. Like I remember vividly
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: against the Texans in that playoff game, them just running
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: nine to eight nine two go routes on the outside
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: with like a post in the middle of the field,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: just over and over again, and they finally hit Kisehan
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Boody on the touchdown on that concept. In the Super Bowl,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it was dagger, you know, the seam clearing out for
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the big incut. They finally hit MATC. Collins on one
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: of those incuts on the one touchdown drive they put together.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I think that there's just a lot more, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to use an analogy. Right now, they have like a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: fixed menu. Last year, they had like a fixed menu
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of place. I want the cheesecake factory this year, right like,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I want everything to be available to them because I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: think that that's what they're going to have to do,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: because there's gonna be blueprints against Drake May all the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Patriots opponents for this year, especially their divisional opponents, are
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: going to have watched the May McDaniels offense all off
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: season to make sure that they know what the Patriots
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: are doing this time around. You're not going to catch
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: anybody by surprise. Drake May is now the runner up
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: for MVP and took his team to the Super Bowl.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You have to keep evolving, you have to keep adding
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: because the teams are going to look at Seattle, They're
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: going to look at what the Texans and the Broncos
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: did and they're going to try to replicate that and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna have the talent to do it as
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: good as those teams did. But the blueprints out. So
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it's a combination of, Okay, what was the blueprint, which
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: we can get into, and then also how do we expand?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And I think Drake May in year two, there's a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: variety of ways, not only just con conceptually with different
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: combinations and things like that, but tempo and different personnel
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: groupings and different you know, under center combinations and drop
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: back combinations and things like that that I hope are
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: going to be. I hope the world is his oyster
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: this year. And there's more open, you know, playbook freedom,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: both for him at the line of scrimmage, but also
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: just from them calling it as well, because I think
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: last year towards the end part of the struggles not
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: probably not the biggest reason that the offense struggled in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, but a reason was that at that point
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: everybody had a kind of a beat on what they
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: were doing.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Right, So along those lines, I think for me, it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: really the pre snap stuff. Yeah, and they talked in
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the spring about wanting to weaponize the mental side of
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Drake May's game. And you know, when we were debating
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator last year, a lot of people are like, no,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you can't hire McDaniels. The offense is to advance. It's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: too much to put on them. And I think that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: was unfair to McDaniels because McDaniels is smart and eased
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: them in and they did the basic you know. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: when I say basic, it's still pretty complex, but the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: year one version of the McDaniels offense. But now you
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: start building on it. And I do think the most
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: logical step is giving him more agency, more power at
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, to make checks, to change plays,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to things like that. I think last year there were
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: times where they just had to run plays into bad
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: looks because that's the way it was installed. Let's also
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: not forget this is the first time Drake May has
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: had the same offense coordinator back to back years since
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: high school, so he doesn't have to relearn the whole
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: playbook and he can kind of dive deeper into it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So definitely, I mean, expanding the playbook as a whole
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: is part of it, and I think you do that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. I personally am really fascinated
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and this is probably something that shows up more later
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in camp and joint practices and in preseason games. I'm
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: fascinated on the pre snap especially, And do we see
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: May more involved, more communative at the line of scrimmage.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Does Josh McDaniels give him more power in that regard?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing for me with him this year.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So along those lines, some of the stats that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I had looked up for the Quarterback Positional Review that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I wrote on it that's on Patriots dot Com. Last year,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: time in between plays or time per play. Yeah, the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Patriots were twenty eighth in the league in.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Time in terms of slowest.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, so they took twenty eight point six seconds to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: run a play last year. That was twenty eighth in
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the NFL or whatever fifth slowest, right, So some of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: that is a you know, by design, because they shift
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a lot, they use motion, they change out personnel groupings,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: all those different types of things. I think another part
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of it though, was that you know, the old like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the earpiece doesn't shut off until fifteen seconds ago on
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the playclock. I think that there was a lot of
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's handholding going on. Not to say that that's
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, but in year two in the system,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: year three in the NFL with Drake May, you would
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: like to think that some of that stuff would not
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: be as necessary as maybe it was at times last year.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: So I think getting out of the huddle, faster, running
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: plays faster, being faster at the line of scrimmage. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: think those things can really help keep a defense off balance,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: like when you can hit them with tempo, when you
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: can hit them with pace, when you can keep them
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: in the same personnel groupings, when you can make it
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: so that their checks and their calls that they have
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to make are happening quickly. Those when mistakes can happen
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: defensively and you don't just kind of let the defense
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: sit there and wait for you to run your play.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of that can be helpful.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: We're seeing these numbers kind of go back and forth
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the league wide. The introduction of motion, especially motion before
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the snap, has made teams take longer and longer because
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: if you're motioning, it takes time, right, So that's why
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: these players get bogged down at times. But I think
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that the issue that teams are having with that is
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that it allows defenses to really get into some exotic
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: stuff because they have all this time in the world.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: They got thirty second right to sit there and make
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: calls and make checks and change personnel and all this
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: different type of stuff. If you go fast, they kind
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of just have to play vanilla defense. Like you can't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden run this crazy stimulated pressure
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: at a quarterback when you have like ten seconds to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: make a call, right, Like, that's not going to happen.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So I think some of these things that we saw
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl that cover zeros and things like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that that Seattle did against them, maybe they can mitigate
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: some of that by going faster and kind of getting
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: defenses to just be stagnant and sitting there in whatever
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: personnel they're in.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And I think that's just for a number of reasons.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I think running more plays this year would benefit them.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So last year, among teams that were top ten in scoring,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: the Patriots rank eighth and total plays run, Yeah, and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I think they can. You know, as you talk about
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: where they are more opportunities for growth, it's not necessarily
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: players playing better. It's just I mean that's obvious some
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of it. But it's getting more plays in. And when
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you bring in both Aj Brown and Romeo Dobbs and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you still want to keep running the ball. I kept
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: giving that stat when we talked about them potentially bringing
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: back digs right about well, Mass and Welker both had
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: more than one hundred and forty targets in a season,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and they were top ten in rushing attempts because they
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: ran a ton of plays. And I just think that's
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: something that can enhance this McDaniel's offense if they can
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: get that pace up. They ran, you know, one forty
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: four plays last year that was like eighty behind the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: league high, which is the Dallas Cowboys. They ran eleven
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: hundred twenty.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So, and I remember somebody, you know, talking about having
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: this conversation with somebody on the radio called in about
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Drake May improving, and you know, where is there more
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: ceiling for him to just have more production? He only
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: threw four hundred ninety two passes last year. A lot
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: of these guys are well into the five hundreds. If
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you want him to get to you know, even five
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: fifteen to five twenty, which is going to put among
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the league leaders. That's only like five extra passes per game.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Can they fit in five to ten more plays per
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: game to keep that balance with the run? I think
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: is doable and I think would be beneficial.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so running plays faster, running more plays, and then
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the blueprint, you know, having answers against Cover six, which
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was obviously the big like it coverage during Super Bowl
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Week that everybody was talking about. I think Seattle took
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: down their protections a little bit with some of their
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: blitzes as well. You know, those are things that again
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody is going to be able
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to replicate it at the level that Seattle can do it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But Seattle, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville Buffalo, all the teams the Patriots
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: are going to play out of the gate this season.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: In September, they're all going to look back at the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl right and say, well, what did Seattle do
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl? So that that I think is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a big thing. Let's move on, though, because I don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: want to take an hour talking about that, which we
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: probably could. The running back position, no doubt that the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: third running back job is up for grabs and is
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a top camp battle this summer. Yeah, but I actually
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: wanted to focus a little bit more on Treva Henderson specifically.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I just I would really like to see Travion Henderson
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: make that year two leave. I think that it's in
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: there for him. But the question that I wanted to
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: present was what does that exactly look like?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Like? Is it?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Because to me, the year two lead for Traveon Henderson
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: is being more of a factor in the passing game.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's literally, Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I know we talk a lot about his efficiency between
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the tackles and having better vision between the tackles and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: things like that. I don't know. I think his run
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: style is always going to be boom or bust. I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: think he's going to be a home run hitter.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to be a little more consistent.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: He definitely can be, but I'm not expecting him to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden be like Le'Veon Bell and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: just like have great patience and vision right between the tackles.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: The area where I really think that he can improve
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a lot is in the passing game. And it's funny
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: because when we're out there, you know, at practice, Alex,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: whether it's in the spring or last summer or whatever,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you see it in practice, Like he'll run a wheel
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: route on a linebacker and we see it flash in
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: practic this. But he's got to be more consistent in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: pass protection. I'm sure there are details as a receiver
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that he needs to be more consistent with. Uh, screen back,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I think he could be a really effective screen back
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and he was at Ohio State. Those are the elements
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that I want to see Travon Henderson take it to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the next level that would make him you know, we
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: always use that like ceiling comp of Jamiir Gibbs, right.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: The reason why Jamiir Gibbs is so great is partially
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: because of how good he is as a receiver out
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of the backfield as well, if you want him to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: be closer to Jamiir Gibbs style player, I think that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that's where we're missing. Even if you want to set
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the bar a little bit lower at like Davon a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Chan or Breisee Hall or something like that, those guys
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: are all really good players in the passing game team And.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Look, he's good as a receiver, but the reality is
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: in this offense, you can't get on the field in
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: those situations unless you can block. Yeah, even if you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: want to say we'll just put him on the field
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and only call play where the running back goes into
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the pattern, what if you have to change the play?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: What if he suddenly has to pick up linebacker in
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: you know, in pass pro where the play's not going
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to work, like you can't. He has to have that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: trust from from McDaniels and from May to an extent.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: So that's one that again we won't known till the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: pads come on, We won't know it till the preseason games,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: all of that. But that's really where I could he
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: be better as a receiver. Yes, I think he's perfectly
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: capable as a receiver. I think he's a plus as
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: a receiver, but it's not gonna matter if he can't
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: pass block.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's definitely true. So Travion, I would say
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: pass blocking is number one because he's got to be
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: able to stay on the field, right. I think that
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: there's probably details as a receiver. Like I said, screen game,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I think he could be a little bit more patient.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: He's so fast that I think it's hard sometimes, like
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you really got allow the offensive lineman to do the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: dirty work in the screen game once you get into
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the open field. Obviously.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I mean there's the one against Texas, and I forget
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: if it was the national championship.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: At a summer college football playoff for sure.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Right, just unbelievable patients, vision, all of that, and so
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: he can do it, he just has to do it
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: more consistently.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh really quickly, who's your current pick for RB three?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Uh? Laris in? But that's very much I'm just going
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: off of he looked like the guy in the spring,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: but that's obviously subject to change.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I'll keep my my property on land Larrison Island.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: You forgot him earlier.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: That was terrible. How could I do that? I was
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: thinking the rookies.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it was as Can we not
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: do the island thing?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Did?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Land laris and bandwagon?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: No, that's an islands.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It's only for corners. I don't know. I got how
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: many times you have to explain this. I got beachfront
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: property right on the island. But that's not how.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: You can Okay, well you can live in the poolhouse
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: if you want them, because you don't.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm on the land layers and bandwi.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: You don't believe in it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So no, I don't the house because you don't believe.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: That's already a term we use in football. Island like
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: you can't just suddenly say it means something different.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: Can you explain the island again?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Land laris and island?
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: Is that you're.
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: No?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, I.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: Understand, But what do you mean alex By Island? Why
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: can't revis island different? Yes, Gonzo Island that kind of thing. No,
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: that's what I think of when I.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Hear the island the island last year weis He's a receiver.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It's the exact opposite of that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I have property on the island. I have a very big,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: nice beach front property. Exactly you know, the dream house
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: right on the island with land Larrison. I'm like the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: mayor of that thing.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I I just think the terminology is confusing.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the wide receivers. The guy I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: wrote down with the wide receivers is kind of a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: similar thing, not exactly with Trevon, but another year two guy,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams. I just feel like Kyle Williams. The idea
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: of Kyle Williams is so intriguing if he can figure
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: it out and he can put it all together, because
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: they really don't have anybody else like him on the roster.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: You know, the only other speed guy, true speed guy
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver that they have is Pop. But Pop's
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: five foot eight, right, so at least Kyle Williams is
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: five to ten plus has a little bit of size
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to him. I just really like the idea of you're
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be very Brown and Dobs heavy. We know that,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that. They're both good players.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown's an excellent player, but to get that infusion
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: of speed down the field explosiveness, but I would also
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: say to maybe allow Brown and Dobbs to play inside
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the formation a little bit more. Having a guy that
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: can play outside and bring speed all at the same time. Again,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the idea of Kyle Williams is very intriguing, but right
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: now he's just a concept of a plan. He's just
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: an idea, like he's going to have to put it
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: all together. You know, I'm a sucker for these types
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of guys too, So I'm gonna try my best not
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to go crazy when he catches a long pass and
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you know, shorts and shells this summer. But the idea
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of Kyle Williams coming to fruition, I feel like would
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: be really really big for this team if he can
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: put it together.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I didn't have him as my number one
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. Story, I have him on the you know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: under the radar guys that are in the spot like
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: top one hundred pick last year showed a couple of
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: flashes that you hope he can build on. Ironically, even
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: though they added aj Brown and Romeo Dobbs, he might
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: be less buried in this camp than he was last
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: year because last year was a rookie and remember they
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: still had Ketrick Bournan here. We're trying to make it
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: work with him. Jayvon Baker was still in the mix
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: at this time last year, you know, there were a
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: handful of guys, so especially if if they move on
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: from Booty or Booty's limited, Like he's going to be
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: the backup, the third X behind AJ Brown and mc collins.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So he's not gonna get a ton of reps, but
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I think there's a chance he gets more, especially first
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: team reps. I think there's a chance that Ky Wiams
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: gets more first team reps this year than he did
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: last year. And you just hope to see him build
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: on that, because again, he is intriguing. I still believe.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, especially as this offense is constituted right now,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: that he is a volume player. My line on Ky
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Williams always been he's probably only gonna catch two or
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: three passes a game, But is it two for fifteen
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: or two for ninety And that's what you're looking at
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: with Ki Williams, and you want to consistently be more
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: in the ninety. My big story wide receiver Drake May's
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: chemistry with the newest and longest tenured receivers on this team,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown Douglas. Obviously, the AJ Brown thing got here
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: a little late, right they're kind of playing catch up
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: looked great in Mini camp, but how does that continue
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: to build? Every ball from Drake Made it a j
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Brown is going to get a response in this camp. Sure,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and then Pop Douglas. Okay, we we acknowledge.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You have front property on Pop Douglas.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we acknowledged, and I'm not doing the island thing.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: We acknowledged in the spring that he's done this before
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and we need to see when the pads come on, right?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: All that sure? So this isn't me saying, hey, Pop
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Douglas is legit, this is his breakout year. Can I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that what we saw between Drake and Pop this
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: spring looked different than last year? I think the chemistry
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: between the two, yes, because it wasn't just Pop Douglas
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: individually getting open. We had heard you know, it's been
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: toograph for a while. Drake Made doesn't like throwing the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: shorter receivers. It feels like him and Pop maybe put
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: some work in. I am intrigued to see how that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: plays out. That is not me saying it is going
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to work, but I am interested in that because I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: will still say if they can get on the same
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: page and if Pop Douglas's usage is right, which I
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: don't think it's always been during his time in New England.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: He can be a playmaker if they can can get
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the stars to align, and I acknowledge that at this
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: point in year four. Maybe I'm grasping its straws, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I still think there is legit upside there. I'm interested
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to see if they tap into it. That is still
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the story to me, So not doing your Taekwon Thornton
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: things on the island, I'm interested. I'm interested in seeing
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: what happens. So the spring did feel a little different
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: for Pop in the last few years.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know about that because I remember
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: after training camp last year I wrote a whole thing
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: about Pop and Chisholm and the slot receiver and all
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So so I think we had
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of buzz about it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But here's what's different. You just wrote about and your
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: observation was, and correct me if I'm wrong. Pop Douglas
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: individually looked good. He was getting open, he was doing
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: things individually well. I thought this spring it was more
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: about him and May being on the same page to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a level that they hadn't been. That's what's different. It's
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: not that Pop Douglas individually did anything different. It's that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: after this whole narrative that May couldn't get on the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: same page of shorter of receivers. I thought they kind
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: of were. It May look to him early and off
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: in the spring. He was Drake May's most targeted receiver
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: this spring. That's not nothing. So that's what I'm more
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: interested in is where is May at in regards to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Douglas than just Douglas's individual talent level right now?
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, So, just to wrap up this point because
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I think they're both related and sort of not related,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams and Pop Douglas are the two speed guys
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: in this offense. They are the two guys that can
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: really being an infusion of you know, four to four
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: kind of speed, right, and they're do it differently. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you know, Pop is it primarily not primarily a full
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: time slot receiver. He's going to be in the slot
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: all the time. Kyle Williams can play outside and inside.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's the big question that I have. If
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you're Brown and Dobbs booty, or you're Brown Dobbs Hollands heavy,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I still feel like you're a little bit slow, offensively,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: and I feel like you lack a true burner in
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that group, the two burners that have the chance to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: kind of break in there. Because I got the question
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: on Twitter of like, well, how much opportunity is the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: guy like Kyle Williams going to have. I feel like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: you're a little bit redundant if you're Brown Dobbs Booty
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: or Brown Dobbs Hollins. It's similar skill sets across the board.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: One of those guys is going to end up bringing
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that element of energy. Whether it's Popp or it's Kyle Williams.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know which one is going to end up
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: winning that sort of role, but one of those guys
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: is going to do that. Maybe they do it a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: little bit differently, but that's the big question. Three receiver
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: set with Brown Dobbs Williams or Brown Dobbs Pop right
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: on paper, feels really exciting to me. But Pop and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams have to hold up their end of the bargain.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: And I guess that's what we'll find out is if
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: either one of those guys can hold up there end
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of the bargain. Let's move on to the tight ends.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Biggest question to me One of the biggest questions I
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: would say on the entire team is the readiness of
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Eli Riden, Like is he ready? Is he ready to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: be a true tight end two to Hunter Henry right
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: out of the shoot? I think it's a big question
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: mark with this team right now. If he's not, then
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: they need to go make a John Who's Smith's signing
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: or something along those lines, and make a move at
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that spot, not just for a body, but for somebody
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that actually has some cachet and is a veteran in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: this league. I don't know if it's necessarily too much
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to ask of Eli Rariden, but it's a lot of
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: to ask from a rookie to come in and play
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: forty forty five percent of the snaps right out of
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the shoot in year one. But that's going to be
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: in number one storyline I think at that position, is
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: is Eli Raiden ready to be a backup to Hunter Henry?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And if Hunter Henry gets hurt, is he ready to
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: maybe start some games as a rookie? I think that's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that's a big question. That's a big question mark.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I think you just hit on
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: all the big points, like they could use him he'd
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: be a big booster team. He doesn't need to be
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the starting tight end, but if he can be that
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: second guy and be capable blocker and catch some passes
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and help stretch the field opposite a Hunter Henry, that's
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: what they were looking for last year that you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: would be an improvement on Austin Hooper. So seemed kind
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: of buried in the spring. Now that's happened, and then guys'
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: rookies come back out, like specifically as rookies, right, we
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: don't see much in the spring. They come back out
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: in the summer and they're caught up and they're where
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: they need to be. The fact that like Arkin was
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: ahead of him was a fellow rookie was interesting. So
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: it'll be fascinating to see kind of what they do
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: with rare and as things get started.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's a big position of need I think moving forward.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You drafted one this year, but it wasn't until late
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: in the third round. It's not a huge investment. It's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: a middle investment, but not a huge investment assets wise,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens there. Offensive line. The thing
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I wrote down with the offensive line there bet this
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: offseason kind of feels like this reshuffling on the left side,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Vera Tucker going in between Wilson and Campbell,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: And not only are they hoping that they're going to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: get a really good left guard out of Verattucker, I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: think they're hoping it's gonna make Wilson and Campbell better
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that they're now. Wilson's at his natural position and Campbell
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: has a veteran next to him at left guard. So
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: that whole reshuffling there on the left side in that center,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that to me is what's going to separate this offensive
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: line from last year. If they're going to be better
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: than they were last year. Maybe it's a loon MoU
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: getting involved, maybe it's not, But I think the biggest
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: thing is those three guys hitting you know, that situation
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: working out for them on the line, because that's kind
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: of the swing they took this offseason on that offensive line.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So I had those two separately. I think with Campbell,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: obviously it's just the bounce back from the injury. Right
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: was it the injury? Was it the the level of competition?
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Why did he struggle so much in the playoffs? Showing
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: that now that he's fully healthy, he's back and he's
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: good to go with Jared Wilson. Last time we saw
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: him at center, if you remember last camp, he had
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: some issue snapping, so just didn't really see I don't
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: think he had any bad snaps the spring, which is
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a good sign. And just keeping that going.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just that's what it is. And you know,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have also asked about
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: what would happen if Vera Tucker gets hurt and not
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: really having a lot of confidence that he's going to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: stay healthy, And I understand that. The one thing I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: would say to that, because this was kind of my
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: secondary question mark here, I actually think Caleb Blomu could
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: maybe play some left guard if Vera Tucker ends up
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: getting hurt. If Vera Tucker has another serious injury, yeah,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and is out for an extended period of time, I
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: do think they would turn to Lomu. If it's a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: spot start in like week eight, then I think it
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: would be Ben Brown.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I think it would be Ben Brown. Either way. I
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: think it's so you think second guy.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: So you think that if Ben Brown, like if he misses,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: if Vera Tucker gets hurt and is going to miss
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: twelve games, like.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Twelve I don't know, maybe because you're taking don't I
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: don't want that to happen. Now, you're taking away from
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Lomu developing at left tackle because he's just working at
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: gard and we've seen me right tack or do you
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: mean left tick right right tackle? Yeah, you're taking away
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: from one. We're developing a right tackles. He has to
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: move positions. We've seen that whole up lineman here before,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: right where there's a plan to play him somewhere, but
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: they need him for depth. I almost think it's the opposite.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: If you need him to give you a week, you do,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: but if it's long term, you still want him working
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: at tackle. And I think they go to Ben Brown
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: because I think they feel good about Ben Brown as
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: they should.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they should feel good about Ben Brown
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: as well. But I just back to the original point.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just really hopeful that Vera Tucker in between Campbell
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and Wilson's gonna make the whole thing better. It's the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: best five theory, right when you have the best five
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: out there, that whole thing all right, let's move over
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to the defense. We're going at a pretty good pace
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to, you know, we're getting up there
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to the break. But that's okay. Let's move over to
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the defense. Defensive line, I wrote down, do they have
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: enough wide bodies on the interior to stop the run? Barmore, Williams,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Dirtin feel pretty good about that trio, especially those first
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: two games. Obviously, I still don't know if they have
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a one for one replacement for Tonga. And yeah, are
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: they is Dirtin going to be sturdy enough in there?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Are they going to have enough depth behind Dirten? You know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to have a real rotation there wide bodies like I'm
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: not looking they have Million Williams and Christian Barmer to
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. Like, I'm not worried too much
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: about that. I'm more worried about who's going to stuff
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the run? Who's going to be that true Tonga replacement.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: They feel really good about Corey dirt and it seems
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: how do we feel about Corey Dirtin in that whole situation.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I think the hope is probably it's Dirdin. I think,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I have my questions about it. Again, he
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the mass that Tonga does. Yeah, but at
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: this time last year I think we were asking this
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: question and not thinking much of Kairos Toga. Sure, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: then he was a breakout star in camp. So the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: fact they're so confident in Durden after what they did
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: with Tonga last year, they deserve I think the benefit
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: for that has been for the doubt for that. And
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: then you get into like Eric Gregory and Joshua Farmer,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: but they don't have that true nose tackle and maybe
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be a schematic shift and they plan
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: on playing without one and they're just going to stop
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: the run by commit but that is one of the
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: bigger questions on the defensive side of the ball.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it seems to me like they got
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit smaller on the inside without Tonga. Dirdan's
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: just not as wide, he's not as big, he's not
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: as he doesn't have as much mass on him as
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: a guy like Tonga does. But I do think that
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: they have good reason to be really high on Corey
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Durden in a vacuum. Yeah, it's just Corey Durton in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: that specific role that is different. Corey Durden's had some
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: really good tape in the NFL, and he's just kind
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of shot, you know, chipping away at having a bigger
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: role on a team, and his time was sort of coming.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: His tape last year was really really good with the Patriots,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: It was really really good with the Rams a couple
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: of years ago. He just hasn't had a ton of opportunities.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So I think he'll get that this year. Looking at
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the edge, Maybe the most hyped player of the spring,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I would say on the whole team was Elijah Ponder.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I felt like I just everything I read, everything I
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: heard every person you talked to Elijah Ponder, Elijah Ponder,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Elijah Ponder. Are we buying or selling this breakout for
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Elijah Ponder?
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Uh? Well, that's what we're gonna find out, right. I
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: wonder if he's just a pass rusher, And look, he
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: was good and passed USh role last year, played a
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: quarter of the snaps that the average was closer to
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: a third. You know, later in the year, as guy
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: started to get banged up, the question is, okay, if
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna have Landry, if they're not gonna have Acus,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: or if those guys aren't a hundred percent. The jump
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: from situational pure pass rusher to now you're gonna have
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: to play on all three downs now you're gonna have
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: to play the run. That's a pretty big jump. So
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that that's what I'll be interesting to see. That is
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: a major storyline in this camp. And then to take
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: it a step further, the other guy who was very
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: hyped up this spring was Braden Swinson. And so, okay,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: if Ponder is gonna become a starter, because what we
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: saw this spring was Ponder was a starter opposite Jones
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: without Landry and Akus and there's a real chance they
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: have to play games this year without either of those guys. Yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: so okay, who's next up? Is that that rotational rusher?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: And it's there's really nobody with the NFL experience. But
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: remember Ponder was viewed as a draft there were some
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: questions about his coachability was the word that was used.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: But then you have Mike Vrabel and Mike Smith raving
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: about how he's changed his approach. If he can be
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: the guy that many thought he was coming out of
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the draft, that would be huge. So he's somebody I'm
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: looking at you like, he's one of the more fascinating
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Playerswinson this Swinson, Yeah, yeah, he's one of the more
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: fascinating players to me in this entire camp is just
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: what happens with Braden Swinson. Do we get that breakout?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Does he kind of justify some of that hype heid
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: coming out of the draft. And if not, I mean
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the doors wide open now you're on to Ke Hutchins
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: and Xavier Homes and Jesse Luken and Amari gainor so
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: he's a sneaky key player. He's in the spotlight outside
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: of like May and Campbell, right of the guys that
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: maybe aren't household names. I think Swinson's in the spotlight
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: maybe more than anybody. He's a very very very important
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: player for this team in this camp.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the questions with Swinson were about maturity, none
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of them were about talent. Right, he was the top
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred talent in his draft. He fell because of
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: some of those maturity concerns. So if he has matured
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and if he has boughten into being a pro and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: all those different types of things, that was why we
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: thought at the time he might be a steel right
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: where they got him between him and Ponder, And I
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: think Ponder obviously has that inside track and is you know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit ahead not maybe he is a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: little bit ahead of where Swinson is one of those
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: guys it feels like needs to pop, like one of
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: those guys needs to have that your two leap breakout,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, to sort of supplement
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the fact that Landry and Akis's situations are up in
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: the air right now.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: So we'll see about those guys. That's the that feels
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: like the make.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Or break on the edge though. Yeah, you know, we'll
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: see what happens with Landry and Akis. But if they
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: can get Ponder or Swinson or Bolt to be like
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: real rotational players, then you feel a lot better about
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: what that group looks like on paper. Going to the linebackers.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: One of the more like sneaky under the radar guys
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: that I talked to you about yesterday when we were
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: texting was kJ Britt. I just feel like kJ Britt
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: for Jack Gibbons is one of those sneaky swaps that
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: they made this offseason. Jack Van Gibbons was really steady
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: for them when Spoayane got hurt last year and had
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: to play a little bit. Is kJ Brick going to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: be the same because it's kind of those three guys, Well,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: it's Ellis, It's splain, It's Britt.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's unfair to leave Chad Mum off that list.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: He was the green dot in Mini camp, similar profile
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: to Britt. Britz played a little more defense, but primarily
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: special team or good athlete, that sort of thing I
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: literally wrote for linebacker, Like my question, my storyline is
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: there were another Jack Gibbons on the roster this year
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: because last year we thought they were maybe a little
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: thin at linebacker, and then Jack Gibbons sort of emerged.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Is Oh, this guy's gonna do more than just play
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: special teams, okay, and so can somebody do that this year?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I thought Britt had a good start to the spring
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: before he got banged up. Muma again in miniamp was
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: the green dot guy. He got some opportunities. I think
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: both probably make the team. I think they can carry
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: four linebackers for sure, or who's that next man up?
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I think they're both in competition for that role.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Don't sleep on Kleil Jacobs.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably just a special teamer at this point.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I would think he might be, but don't I'm just saying,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: don't sleep on huh. I think Clelil Jacobs is another
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: one in that taner arc in Miles Montgomery, like those guys,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: those udfas that have a real chance. I put Cleil
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Jacobs at the top of us pretty I don't.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Know they put him at the top. He's up there,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: but so is he gonna beat out one of breater Muma,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: because I don't think they're carrying five linebackers.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: They carried five last year, unless it depends on how
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: you count to Vai.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: But I kind of counted Moore as an edge guy.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Splaine, Ellis Gibbons to Vay Mapu.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I guess maybe Jacobs could be Mapo really
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: didn't play right, all right, Yeah, that's fair, all right. Cornerbacks, yep,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: they have this group of cornerbacks, let's call it four
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: through five or six spots, Chucky Trees, Charles Woods, Kobe Minor,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Karan Prunty and saying, don't sleep about killing Jacobs, don't
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: sleep on Marcella's dial, bouncing back and Marcella's dial, people forget,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: don't forget about Marcelli's die. Was having a really good
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: summer Lize year, really good. Was a core special teamer
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: as a rookie and played it well, played the nickel
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, came back last year was like
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: playing well at defensive camp and then towards ACL so
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: he was limited in the spring. We really didn't see him.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: If he can pick up where he left off, he's
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: gonna make the team and he might be the fourth corner,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: yeah and play you know, he'll be a starting gunner
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and all of that you didn't name. Was that the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: whole list?
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: That was my list?
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, you got to put Kendall Wildor on there.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about Phieling.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: He's forgetting, guys. Vildor looked like you, guys, Vildor looked
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: like the guy in the spring that was going to
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: be How is it my bad? He's really the only
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: veteran in that group again, behind the starters, like the
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: depth options and if Gonzales is going to hold in,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: you figure Vildor is going to get most of that time. Yeah,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: So Wildre and dial are the two that interests me
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: the most. And then Prunty two. Prunty's won, Like does
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: he just make the team on special teams alone? And
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: then we'll see do you think there's a chance they
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: view Prunty as essentially like Nate Ebner Right that fifth
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: round special teams pick and we might not see him
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: a corner. Doesn't matter. He's gonna make the team because
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: he's playing special teams. Interesting, is he one of those types?
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  Speaker 1: So I viewed him as more he's got all he's
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  Speaker 1: really toolsy, he's got length, he's got size, he's got
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  Speaker 1: some straight line speed. But I just think that he's
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  Speaker 1: like a cut a year maybe even two years away.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so I guess here's a better version of that question.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say they carry. So they're gonna carry uh Gonzales,
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  Speaker 2: Davis Jones, and then what two backups?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Like five corners?
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  Speaker 1: Five usually? Yeah?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Right? Can punt A? Can Prunty make the team if
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: he's not one of the five best corners just because
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: of special teams?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I think there's a real chance that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: that's what his path to the roster is.
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  Speaker 1: So I I think Charles Woods is on this team.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I think that he was too good last year when
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: he had to play that. I yeah, but so that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: that's the part that I I guess I have a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: tough time with like keeping too many of these guys.
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  Speaker 2: So Wood are the two that are Do you think
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  Speaker 2: they're competing?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they're competing for the same spot, though,
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  Speaker 1: as like the veteran that you know has there's a chance, yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: and then maybe.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're gonna keep one of the young guys
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: in dial or you know, it definitely helps that minor
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: can play the slot. Crossley's in the mix too. We
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: should throw his name in there.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Dial intrigues me because of how much he was playing
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the nickel before he.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Got hurt, and how much and how much he's playing
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: special teams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he we keep talking, and I keep talking
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: just kind of segued into the safety thing about being
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: having some sort of three safety flexibility. Mike Brown got
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of that look in the spring. I'm not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: sure if I'm ready to anoint Mike Brown as the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: guy that I want to be playing as much as
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: what some teams play like three safety nickel and dime
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: these days, is the guy like Marcella's Dial who's got
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: a bigger body type and a little bit more physical
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and is going to play in the kicking game and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Can he be kind of
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a de facto third safety? You know, we list him
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: at corner, but really we're playing him at nickel or
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: you know kind of like as a safety hybrid type
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: of player. Either way, I would just like to see
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that role emerge. I keep pounding the table for that.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's important because I think what is gonna
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: happen is that teams, just like Seattle did in the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, they're gonna go heavy. They're gonna put multiple
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: tight ends on the field, and they're gonna run at
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: the edges. And that's because you're in three corner nickel.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: You're in standard nickel all the time. So in order
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to combat that, I think you need to get some
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: bigger bodies out on the field. But the question is
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: do they have the bigger bodies? Like, right, is Mike
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Brown good enough to play that much? Is Marcella's dial
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: good enough to play that much? On defense? I don't know.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: The other secondary thing about safety that I wrote down
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: was just Craig Woodson and him just kind of taking
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that next step as well.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Craig Woodson just you know, if he
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: does take the year or two leap from where he started,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: what does that mean for you? Not finishes but like
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: plays this year?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, special teams what he got?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: So there's two Uh, the one. The immediate one is
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: the kick returner. Yeah, we talked about this at nauseum
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: last year. Kick returner is an important position now. I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: mean that difference in what did we figured out from
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: the best team just to average is like six yards
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: of return, which is you're gonna return like it can
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: net out to like twenty five or thirty yards a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: game in field position. That thing's wide open. You know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: is it one of the running back because that Kyle
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Williams Henderson was good, but also do you want to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: give him that workload on top of the running back thing?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Is this the way if third running back makes the team.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: We didn't see them do any kick return in the spring,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: so we have no idea who's in contention for this.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point, and I would just add
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: to that. Once they lost Antonio Gibson and they made
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the decision that Trayvon Henderson was too valuable to put
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: on kickoff return, that was kind of a non play
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: for them. It was like make the thirty yard line
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: and hold your breath thing, We're gonna make the thirty line.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they have to like have it
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: bes dynamic or like, you know, all of a sudden,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: they are Cordarol Patterson's back there returning. But remember but
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: like something, you looked this.
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  Speaker 2: Up and there was a strong correlation between the best
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: kick return teams and just the best teams in the NFL.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Well, the Bills I think probably were last year.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: The Bills were up there.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I remember Davis was a great run.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: The Broncos rup there. The Bills kept flipping those games
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: with kick returns like it matters. Now, that is an important.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: The volume of returns have made it matter.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get to the point, by the way,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: within the next five years. That's going to be when
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: we do special teams kicker, punter, long snapper, returner. Yeah,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: and you saw a guy. Where do the Steelers take
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Kyden Wetchin? It was early Yes, I'm like the fourth
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: round pure The guy had more kick returns than catches
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: in college. I would not be surprised if it trends
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: in that direction. Yea overall football philosophy thought, and that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: becomes its own position. We're not there yet, certainly not
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: with his Patriots roster, but that's gonna be something to watch.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: And then my other one was.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to quickly before you get to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the other I just don't want the kickoff thing to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: be a throwaway like it was at the end of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: last season. And I don't know what the answer is.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: It's I don't know if Travon Henderson is the answer,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: because he is so valuable to them offensively. Yeah, but
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: we obviously saw what he did in the preseason with
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: the very first touch of the season as a house call.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: He had another big one at some point right where
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: they put him back there, like yeah, late in the game,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: just to.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Kind of it was against Oh, no, it was Jeremiah Webb.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Had like a forty I want to say it had
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: like a forty yard return. I just would like to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: see something. I don't know what it is. I don't
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: know if it's Henderson. I don't know, if you know
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: one of these younger running backs like jam Miller, Miles
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Montgomery has a little bit more juice.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: But I always like to see them. Kyle Williams and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: the luck.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last year kind of painful to watch it time.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: No, and it needs to be better. Yeah, I mean
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: the bright glass in case of emergency, I guess you
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: could do at least to start the season. Jeremi Webb's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: a really good kick returner. Yeah, and I don't think
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Jeremi Webb's going to make the team. They have too
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: many receivers. But de elevate him from the practice squad
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks and then kind of see
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: from there if he really starts making a difference. Is
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: there were a world where Jeremiah Webb ends up on
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: the fifty three at some point this year because he's
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: such a good kick returner. They don't have another.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Option even as a practice squad elevation.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Right, but you can only do that three times. I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: think as a practice squad at elevation actually makes a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: lot of sense. Yeah, I would keep him just for that,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's when your elevations the first few weeks.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: But you can only do that three weeks. Then what
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: are you doing?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Right? Okay? What was your last thing? Then we got
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: to take a break.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: They really wanted competition for Bryce Bearinger in the spring.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: They brought a guy in a rookie minute time.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Did they signed a true UFA punter.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Because maybe I don't know, because maybe the top udfa's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: didn't want to come the guys who signed signed in
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: places that they were going to be the.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Punter or an open competition type thing.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Right, They didn't sign to be the second guy. So look,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: maybe him beating out the two guys he beat out
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: in rookie and mandatory mini camp, maybe that was the competition. Hey,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: we brought two guys in, neither one of them were
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: better than Bearinger. We're gonna do better this year. That's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: the competition, end of story. But if he gets off
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: to a shaky starting camp, like there's some guys out
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: there we talked about this, Jamie Gillen I believe is
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: still unsigned.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 10: He is.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: He's also Scottish, so you could do that whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: But Jamie Gillen's a good punter. Yeah, Jamie Gillen is
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: an NFL caliber punter. If it gets shaky with Bryce Behinger,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe this air right we brought in Udfa's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: that didn't work, and you know, now you're midwa your camp.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Jamie Gillen won't sign that kind of contract right
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: now because he's been an established NFL player and he
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to come in and compete. But suddenly he
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: gets to mid August, oh, I don't have a job.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: The Patriot's looking at it all right, Bryce Bearinger has
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  Speaker 2: been great, Like I don't think that that maybe they're
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: not off the hook just yet, or Bearinger's off the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: hook just yet. He's be interested to see if they
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: bring competition in during camp.
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  Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, all right, We're gonna take a
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's a crazy thing about like fourteen
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  Speaker 2: But I thought I was talking about this the other
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy thing about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what whenever we talk about the schedule
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  Speaker 1: schedule talk, I always come back to that. The Patriots
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  Speaker 1: have four games against the Jets and the Dolphins. Right,
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  Speaker 1: if they go four and oh in those four games
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  Speaker 2: On their schedule. That's less than five hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, it's less than five hundred to get the ten wins.
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  Speaker 2: But then you got to do the whole year of well,
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  Speaker 2: Are they even that good?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely? But I'm just saying no. I know people act like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the schedule is this gauntlet, and it's harder,
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  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But when you look at it
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  Speaker 1: mean to do that, but can they go six and
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  Speaker 1: a sudden you have it? Sounds doable, very doable. All right,
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  Speaker 8: Guys?
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  Speaker 15: Two hundreds?
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  Speaker 2: We forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to do that. That's your job to remember
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  Speaker 1: those things.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: That is my I totally forgot about that. I'll come
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  Speaker 2: up with something by the end of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Patty, thank you.
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  Speaker 15: You got it. So I got a few things I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 15: wanted to cover. Quick story and question and prediction. So Evan, yesterday,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 15: I'm p you were talking about at lists and being
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 15: on Martha's vineyard and being more about her worry about
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 15: him getting sprayed by a skunk. Yea, because there are
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 15: a lot of skunks. So last night, nine thirty, getting ready,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 15: you know, my wife's getting ready to shower and we're
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 15: getting ready to go to bed. I let our dogs out,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 15: and I have a seven year old dear bread German shepherd.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 15: She gets frigging sprayed by a skunk.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Oh no, the worst.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 15: But we we Hey, we worked as a team and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 15: we knocked it out. We got her like cleaned and
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 15: out kept her outside, got her cleaned, and you know,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 15: I was We were in bed by ten thirty. Yeah,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 15: not so it's terrible. Just you know, just if you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 15: and Jess ever run into it, just work as a team,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 15: don't panic, and just get it done, you know. So
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 15: quick prediction, I'm gonna throw one of these out, maybe
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 15: every week until like the season starts. So my prediction
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 15: for rookies of the year on defense, I got Kate
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 15: McDonald from Houston. He's my defensive rookie of the Year
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 15: for the NFL in twenty twenty six. And I'll you're
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 15: gonna hate this. This is why I think Buffalo is
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 15: going to be good. I got Skylar Bell as my
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 15: offensive rookie of the year. But the question that I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 15: had is regarding the edge position. I don't know why.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 15: I kind of knew Landry opening up on puff was
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 15: gonna it was a possibility, but it just I'm a
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 15: little bit concerned about it, only because you know, we
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 15: don't only have him no gay Baccus and I mean
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 15: Acus is young. I'm just worried, like what happens if
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 15: there's a stepback and you know, and and the guy
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 15: just says, you know what, I've done enough. I've played
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 15: in the Super Bowl last year. I'm hanging him up.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 15: I just want to get your guys thoughts on that,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 15: like if he misses extended time, like there there has
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 15: to be a move coming. No, And that's kind of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 15: the question.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Patty. Sorry about the dob, but
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it worked out quickly. We when we were
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: on Martha's Vineyard. Because I don't know if everybody heard
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: it yesterday, so I'll just tell the quick story. When
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: we were on Martha's vineyard. I we got back from
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: dinner and I went to go take Atlas out after
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: we got back, and I walked out onto the porch
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: on the house that we were staying and and I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: was staring dead red right out of skunk, and so
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I just took Atlas. We high tailed it back inside
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and we I was like, you'll go to the bathroom
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: in the morning, dude, because that we're not dealing with
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: that I that skunks and ticks him getting sprayed by
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: a skunk or getting ticks on him or like my
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: two like dad things that I'm like very in all about.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: You know, you just don't want any ticks on him
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: or anything like that to the edge position. It's it's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: definitely the you know, we feel the same way. You know,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: it's a concern. I thought about that with Harold Landry
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: as well, because I know how much it took just
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: to get him active for the Super Bowl, not even
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: to play in the Super Bowl, but just to have
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: him dressed and be healthy enough to dress in the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: super Bowl. That knee has been drained, it's been surgically repaired.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a ticking time bomb, so to speak.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: At some point, I do wonder if retirement is on
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the table. I hope it's not anytime soon, but I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: hear what Patti is saying. I think that that was
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: a thought of mine. Was maybe if they had won it,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: it would have been.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: More of a thought.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: But still I wasn't sure one hundred percent that he'd
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: be back this year.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: I wasn't either, and now there's an out in his
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: contract after this upcoming year. Yeah, so it's probably more
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: of a conversation for the upcoming offseason, but it's it's
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: an understandable question.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Yep. All right, herm is in DC. What's up? HERM
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: trying to click there? And gentlemen, hey.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 16: Quick against two quick questions.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 15: My first question.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 16: Again talking about the package, right, so I think Bart
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 16: was talking about earlier. How obviously it won't.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 10: Be ideal if you missed time. My first question was,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 10: given the position he plays, I guess, would it really be,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 10: like I guess, a big of a deal if you
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 10: missed Quoe unquote time because it's really just listen, seaball, getball, right.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 10: I guess in my simple mind, it's not a whole
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 10: bunch of schematics Taxis positions. So to me, I feel
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 10: like it's not that big of a deal. It's missed
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 10: a bunch of time.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 16: And then my second question.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 10: Foreshadowing a little bit, right, I looked up this morning.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 10: Josh mcdaniealds has I think two years left on the deals.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 10: In other words, after this upcoming season, that will be
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: I think the last nar is original deal for Vegas,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 10: just in case, for some you know reason, we cannot
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 10: keep him. Who would you guys think, should I guess,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 10: get the old Sea rolls?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Is it a in house thing?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 10: Or who would you like to see from the outside
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 10: taking over that road? Just like again, God forbid Josh
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 10: McDonald's doesn't get extended here and I take it up deals,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Thanks sir. I don't see that happening.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's going anywhere.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: So he's also signed through twenty twenty seven, I believe.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean maybe the only head coaching jobs
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I could see coming available to Josh McDaniels are in college. Yeah,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd really want to do that.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I just think that there's way too many fans of
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: him in the building, especially at the ownership level with
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, to just play the game with her. The
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: one guy that I would just mention is Thomas Brown.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: You know, if Thomas Brown doesn't jump ship before that,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: which I think he might, But if he doesn't, then
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I could see Thomas Brown being elevated to O. See,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: he's pass game coordinator, tight ends coach. Now it's it's
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: an easy sort of elevation there.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: I think you'd look at him and Ashton Grant, Yeah,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: as the two guys.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: The only reason why I took Thomas Brown first that
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: draft is because Ashton is still really young.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense. Thomascreen's done it before. Yeah,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: obviously he would get the get the nod first. Yeah,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: but if he leaves to your point, right, because we
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: didn't think he was gonna be back this year. Yeah,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: we thought he was gonna get an OC job somewhere else.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: To the first point on gay Baccus, Yeah, it definitely
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: hurts less missing it edge than maybe another position. But
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: it's never good, especially for a rookie, Like there's probably
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: technique things they want to clean up. He's got to
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: get into the chemistry to rush with those other guys.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: So I guess by default, Yeah, it hurts less for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: an edge rusher to miss time as opposed to a quarterback.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't like he's still going to be behind.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. He's still going to be behind. He's
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: still gonna have to play catch up. And the fact
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: that the coaching staff acknowledge he's going to be behind,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: to me means it's an insignificant amount of catchup that
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: he'll have to do.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's different calls in terms of like
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: how they're going to rush the pass or how they're
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: going to stop the run? Are we boxing it? Are
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: we you know, slanting or what are we doing spilling here?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Are we running a game? We're running a stunt?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Like for example, they had that break the rush breakdown
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: against the Bills last year in the game that Buffalo
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: won here where the rushers weren't on the same page, right,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: And that's the kind of thing you're working on this
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: time of year. Yeah, I agreed that it you know,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, quarterback right, maybe corner, corner, running back even
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: maybe because of the Blitz assignments and things like that,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: safety corner very yeah, a safety of linebacker very you know,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: communication avy position edge.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I could see how people would say Seaball get ball right, right,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: and especially with the way how hard Actus plays. Yeah,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I could see that, you know, him coming along a
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: little bit faster. All right, Michael's in New Jersey. What's up, Michael?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: He's not Michael, Michael, Michael, all right, you call it back, Michael.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think Michael was paying attention there. Zach is
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: in Florida. What's up? Zach?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, first time, long time. I appreciate you taking
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: the call to questions and then I'll take them off
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: the air. First, What are we waiting on a tight
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 9: end position right now? I think Rabel made it clear
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: we'll probably be signing someone, and with training camps starting
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: in just a few days, I don't know why we
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 9: haven't officially signed someone to the team. Feels like if
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 9: another team were to have an injury, they could take
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: some of the guys that we might be interested in,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 9: So why not act on it now? It's pretty clear
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 9: we're going to sign someone. And then the second question
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 9: I have. I don't want to get two in the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 9: weeds on it, but I think a lot about the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: way we've remade our wide receiver room over the last
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 9: few months and years, compared to the Steelers room with
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: getting DK Metcalf similar to AJ Brown and then now
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 9: Romeo dobb kind of being what Michael Pittman's expected to
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: be for them this year. And I'm curious, do you
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: guys prefer our two receiver room over there to receive
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 9: a room? So if we're kind of comparing the DK Metcalf,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 9: I know he didn't want to come here, but if
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: we think about giving up a second for him and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 9: then a seventh for Pittman compared to the deal we
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 9: gave the Dobbs and the pick we gave up for
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 9: AJ Brown. Just curious how you as would evaluate those
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: and kind of compare what we have versus what maybe
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 9: we could have had in a different world.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Zach, What what was the first thing
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: he said that? I had a point, and then I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: completely I I was thinking about what he was saying.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Uh to the second point, I guess with the receivers,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: so DK Metcalf and Michael Pittman versus A. J. Brown
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs. It's funny because I think AJ Brown's better
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: than DK. Yeah, but I think that Pittman's better than Dobbs,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: or at least has.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: More product jobs is better than Pittman at this point.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: So maybe, but Pittman's had more production in this that's true.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also just the way he asked it. Steelers
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: gave up a second and a seventh. The Patriots gave
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: up a first and a fifth.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Would you rather give up a second and a seventh
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: and have Metcalf and Pittman, or first and a fifth
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: and have AJ Brown and Dobbs.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: It's a good question, you know.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: I might lean second. Now, I will say, though, I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: think the Patriots rooms a lot more complete because after
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: that drops off pret I mean, we both like Jeremy
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Bernard will see what he is, but they don't have
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: much beyond Aaron Pittsburgh. The Patriots have a lot more
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: depth than the Steelers do.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: A receiver, Yeah, the Steelers, you know, always we always
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: say draft like the Steelers a wide receiver. I was
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: I thought Robin Wilson was going to be a good player,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: he hasn't really been great for them. That was a
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: little bit of a swing in the miss. It's a
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: good question though about those receivers. I mean, I don't
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: know if the Patriots could have ended up with that
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: because you know, like he said, I don't know the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: caller said, I don't know if DK was coming here
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But it is similar.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: You know, Pittman is also one of those guys kind
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: of like Dobbs that's going to catch ninety passes at
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: eleven twelve yards a catch like that's kind of his
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: game too. Uh, Sam is in Texas? What's up? Sam?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: Hey?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 16: How are y'all good? It was just scurious on the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 16: defensive coordinator situation. I think there was a clear change
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 16: from the regular season to the postseason last year. So
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 16: I didn't know if you'll view that as Zach kerr
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 16: Fley taking over and y'all would expect that more into
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 16: this season, or if that was just an assessed to
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 16: get the quarterback in the playoffs. I'll take it up there,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 16: thank you.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, Sam, it's a good question. So in I don't
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: have the exact numbers in front of me, but their
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: blitz rates specifically skyrocketed in the playoffs, and their man
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: coverage rates skyrocketed in the playoffs as well, So I
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: think it's a combination. I think they're always going to
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: be a little bit more game planning like they are
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: in general. But I think that part of the reason
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: why they didn't do it as much in the regular
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: season is because they kind of felt like, we can
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: beat these teams without emptying the clip, right, so they
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: didn't have to This year, maybe we see a little
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: bit more of what the playoff defense was than versus
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: the defense that was in the regular season. The one
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: thing I also have thought about a little bit when
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it comes to the playoff defense in a four game sprint,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's doable to play full tilt like that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: in seventeen games. I don't know if it's doable to
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: be blitzing fifty percent of the time and man coverage
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: over forty percent of the time. That's a really aggressive
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: brand of defense play, and I don't know if you
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: can do that for seventeen straight weeks.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it was a change in coordinator
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. I mean, I think Zach Korr
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: had the you know, was at the wheel the whole time.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I think that was just a playoff wrinkle. The question
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: is how much Okay, like it's proven it worked, right,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: how much does a carryover? So the Patriots blitch I
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: thought I had to hear.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I don't never mind, I have it in It's on
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com somewhere.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I know that, I just don't have any the Patriots blitzed.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: They were nineteenth in the NFL last year in the
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: regular season twenty six point six percent of the time.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: In the playoffs they ranked first forty two.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew it was a huge jump. Yeah, so
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: we'll see. It's a good question. It's something that you know,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: we have to wait till the regular season obviously to
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: really find out. I remember the question that Zack asked
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: before the receiver question. He was talking about the tight ends, okay,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: and why they haven't signed a tight end yet. Yeah,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a good question because Rabel did
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: say in the spring, yeah, we're going to look to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: add there. My guess is is that and now Dupree's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: on pup so this kind of throws a little bit
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: of prevention in it. But I think that between dupre
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Arc and Westover. Maybe they're a little bit excited about
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: what one of those guys is doing, Eileen Arkin, and
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: maybe they want to give that player an opportunity.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: So well, could even just be the second part of that.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: You know, Hey, we want to make sure that we
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: fully evaluate these kids before we go and overextend ourselves,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: right and even then, like some of these veterans that
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: are out there, if you're gonna sign a bigger name,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised they didn't just sound like a
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: back end of the roster guy just to especially with
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: dupre on pup, just to get through. But again, maybe
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: they want to maximize the reps. It's hey, let's see
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: what we have in these kids. Let's see what they
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: can do, and if we need to add another tight
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: end like some of the veterans, uh, well, Disley doesn't
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: need to do the first week of camp. He's been
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: in this league long enough right then. You know, you'd
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: think those guys, if they get an idea that one
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: of those guys might sign, they'll they'll go out and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: they'll get at them before. Like those guys aren't in
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: a rush to sign right now.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the comparison that I go to and it's
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: just because it's, you know, our time on the bead's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: probably not the best comparison. But they signed Zeke three
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: weeks into training camp. A couple of years ago, they
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: had some younger running backs that they gave a look to.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: It wasn't working out, it wasn't going the right direction.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: They brought in Zeke. Elliott I could see the same
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: thing at tight end. Give Arkin, hopefully Dupre gets off,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: pup Jack Westover. Maybe give those guys the first couple
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: weeks of camp. If you get around the second preseason game,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: joint practices around that time of year and you still
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: don't feel good about it, that's when you make calls
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: and that's when you had somebody. My guess is that
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: that's the approach that they're taking. And then there will
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: also be that big roster sort of movement at the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: cutdown day, whether it's trades, where there's the waiver wire,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: veterans getting released, so they have a lot of opportunities
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: there that if they just need to go find a
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: veteran body at some point, I think they're going to
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: have chances do that. Adam is in California. What's up, Adam?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 16: Hey, guys, do you hear me?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 15: I just have a question.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 17: Why is like most Patriot fans I talk to they
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 17: want Booty gone, like they'd rather hit him gone before
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 17: any other receiver. Me personally, I think you would, you know,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 17: go from the bottom of like get rid of Chisholm
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 17: or even Pop before Booty because it's been a consistent
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 17: playmaker and target for Drake since he's been there.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 14: And that's all I have to say.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks for they call Adam. Look, I don't think anybody
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: or I noticed to be for everybody else. I don't
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: want Booty gone in a vacuum. I just look at
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: the whole big picture of the situation. He's in a
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: contract year, he doesn't really have a high volume role,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: right How happy is he going to be with that?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Is that situation going to work itself out? If you're
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: not keeping it him beyond this year, if you're not
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: going to extend his contract this year, is it best
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: to sell high on the player and get what you
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: can for him? Now, with all those things being said,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: I think if there was an offer out there that
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: they liked, he'd already be gone. So the fact that
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: he's still on the roster tells me that there isn't
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: a trade out there that they feel good about yet.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: So does it happen in training camp? Somebody gets hurt
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: cut down day I mentioned that kind of window transaction window,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: you know that something happened there. We'll see. But I
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: don't think the answer to Adam's question has nothing to
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: do with Kaishon Booty, right, It's about the situation that
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Kaishon Booty is in.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody's rushing out the door. But
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: like you said, it just makes the most sense. And
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: the thing you got to remember it. It doesn't help
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody being here. This is a guy that is
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: trending in the right direction, had a good year last year,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: but it's never at six hundred yards. Yeah, and he's
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: going to hit free agency trying to be paid, trying
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: to get paid. If he's in a reduced role here
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: in New England, that's not going to get him paid.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: So you know he probably wants out of here again.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: His role projects to be minimal. Penny Like, if guys
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: start getting hurt in camp, that change is the numbers
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: on it. But you know they could probably I would
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: still try to do a player for player, trade with
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: him and fill one of these depth holes that we've
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: been talking about. But it doesn't make a ton of
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: sense for him to be here. I don't think they
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: need him. He's a good player, but I don't think
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: they need him. And he's in a contract here. He's
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: just kind of the odd man out. And why not Pop,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: who is also in a contract here? They play very
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: different positions. I think if Pop and May are on
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: the same page, there is a role for Pop before
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: there's a role for Booty, because again with Kayshawn Booty,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna ask him to do, the routes he's
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: gonna run is what Aj Brown does, is when Mac
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Collins does, and in some of what Kaya Williams does,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: And Kyle Williams is entering the second year of his
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: rookie contract. He's more of a long term investment. Pop
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Douglas is doing something entirely different. His situation doesn't tie
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: into Booties necessarily. So unless you think Kashan Boody's gonna
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: start running a bunch of speed block routes from the slot,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: which is just not his game, there isn't a huge
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: role for HM, whereas there is potentially a bigger role
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: for Pop Douglas.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have more depth there and from Matt
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Collins into that mix too, Like they have Brown, they
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: have Hollins, they have Kyle Williams. If you want to say,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs can play a little bit of X two,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: which I think he can did something in Green Bay.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Like there's they have like bodies at that spot that
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: have not only play that spot but also have a
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: similar skill set. Like just guys that you know, kind
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: of win more with body positioning and strong hands and
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: sturdy wins at the catch point and things like that. Uh,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: you know the guys that like Booty and like Pop
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Williams. Like we said earlier in the show,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: those are the different guys like those are the guys
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: that bring a different flavor to the offense. All right, Eldred,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: what you got today?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 10: Man?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, there we go, Eldred. How are we doing good?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah? I'm kind of like that guy just called though.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 14: But my question is, Okay, I know Booties in the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 14: contract year you let them going, okay, but you gotta
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 14: I just can't understand mec Holland because yeah, he did
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 14: pretty good in the Super Bowl for a couple of
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 14: plays or whatever. But man, he just just a roll guy.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 14: So I can't figure out why he's thirty three. You
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 14: don't know if you've had the same speed or whatever
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 14: coming up this year? Why not you some of your
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 14: younger guys got it, but you some of your younger guys.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 14: And and uh maybe Booty like he want to stay,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 14: but maybe he would take a produced role.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 10: You never know.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 14: But my question is this, since Landry is out, don't
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 14: you think they'll be picking up the phone and calling
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 14: in New York and asking about Trubodoll.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 14: Yeah, what it would take to get him. So that's
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 14: what I'll be doing.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Eldridge real quick, because I
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: know you're a big Kisham Booty fan. Would you trade
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Kishan Booty for Kveon Thibodeau.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 14: Beyond with you? If that's the move? I would, you know,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 14: if that's the move right there, I.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Would probably need to throw in like a fourth or
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: fifth round pick.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 14: But yeah, yeah, I'll do it with a fifth and
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 14: a fourth with Booty, you know, because that's somebody on
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 14: the edge. And then I talked to NFL because I
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 14: get my second round Jeft pick back and just cut that. Yeah,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 14: that's what I would do, you know, just cut my
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 14: losses and whatever and go whatever I got right here
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 14: and hope Switzerland and the other guy, Ponder, you know,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 14: works out.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 9: The way it's supposed to be.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 14: But with Landri on pup that is you saw melk
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 14: and I'm like, you know. And then the other thing
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 14: is pay Gunzo. You got a lot of money for
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 14: the soccer. Pay Gunzo. That's all you gotta do. And
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 14: I'm out of here.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for the call, Pey Gonzo. We're all on
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: the same page.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: I think on the Hollands Booty thing, some of it
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: is leadership. Yeah, I think he's become such a core
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: part of the team. He also I think Elder is
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: underselling it there. Like Hollins was a productive receiver last
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: year forty six catches for five hundred and fifty yards.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: You know, he's good in the red zone. Yeah, Booty's
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit younger, but you're also maximizing your return,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: like you're probably not gonna get a lot for trading mccollins.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: No, And I just think it's just such a different
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: mindset like mccollins where he is in his career and
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: his acceptance of the role. He's right, I don't.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Eldridge said there and you know that take Hinge's lot on.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe he'll accept a smaller role. Who knows, I don't know,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: maybe he will. It's incredibly rare that a guy that's
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: twenty three years old, twenty four years old, it's about
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: to hit free agency for the first time, that, by
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: the way, was significantly underdrafted compared to expectation going into
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: his final college year. I mean, you're talking about leaving
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of dollars on the table
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: to stay and be the fourth wide receiver for Drake May,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: fifth wide receiver for Drake May. I just if Kaishan
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Boodey's that much with a Patriots fan, awesome. I'm not
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: knocking him for not wanting to do that, like go
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: get yours, get paid, But I mean that would be
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: a massive sacrifice. If he's willing to say, like, yeah, no,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I'll only catch twenty twenty five passes this year, that's fine.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like Matt Collins. I say similar things
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: every time that comes up. He's a glue guy. He's
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: a locker room glue guy. He knows his role. He
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: knows he's not going to be a high volume guy.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: He knows his responsibility of you know, leading the room,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: taking the young guins under his wing. Like Efton Chisholm
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: is like his shadowy. They ride together to the facility
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: a lot, and they work out together, and Chishm's model
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of his workouts after mtc Collins' workout. It's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: like that, that's mccollins' role on this team. Yeah, that's
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: not kay Shan Boody's role, and nor would I expect
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: him to take on a role like that. So I
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: think they're just at different points in their careers. Let's
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: ander some of these emails and we'll get back to
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: the calls in a second. This is from John uh
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: He asked which offensive and defensive player on the Patriots
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: do you see having the most improvement this upcoming season?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: So kind of breakout players, offensive defense.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Breakout players improved break out? Can I go with a
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: lineman on offense? I do think Jared Wilson is going
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: to be a lot better at center. Okay, on defense,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of the easy one, but Elijah
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Pondery is probably gonna play a lot more, have a
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: much bigger role.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll go. I'll go Craig Woodson on defense.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I think Craig Woodson takes what he did in the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: playoffs and becomes like a real impact player for them
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I'm gonna go Will Campbell. I'm gonna
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: believe in my guy, Will Campbell.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I almost went Will Campbell.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna believe in my guy, Will Campbell. I'm gonna
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: say that he bounces back.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. If Will Campbell plays the way
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: he did last year before the injury, and he doesn't
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: show improve him but he's just that guy, is it
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: a successful season for him?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: I would say most people would say no.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: I think I would probably say yes.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: I would say yes, I'm a little bit tackle in
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: the league. I'd be fine with that.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more lenient probably than some comes
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: to the offensive line.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: If he's a top fifteen left tackle in the league.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: It's not the best thing that's ever happened to the Patriots,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: But I would say, all right, it's enough.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Can I give you an offensive line take real quick
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: before we get to this next email, How do I
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: want to put this, when it comes to the offensive line,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: I'm really not concerned.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm at yeah. I mean, if your biggest concern is there,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: you know, secondary depth that guard, they're in a pretty
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: good place.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm really not concerned. I think this is the most
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: talent that they've had on the offensive line in years.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Like they have depth, like Caleb Blomo is gonna be
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: your third tackle, first round pick, you know, a guy
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: who was a consensus first round pick. I just don't
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: have a whole lot of concern. I think that when
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: you have good coaching Josh McDaniels, Doug Moreau, and good
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: coaching with the talent that they have on the line,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to be a top five
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: offensive line in football, but it shouldn't be so bad
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: that it's like anchoring the offense. Yeah. No, they they
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: have enough. I feel like I keep hearing a lot
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: of concerns still about the offensive line. I don't think
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: that that's why this team is not going to reach
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: its potential. I really don't. All Right, next email, here's
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: a uniform question. Were you talking uniforms on pat speed? Yes,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned they should go back to the old
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: number font in particular the ones on the current jerzoo
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: look weird just being a vertical stick and it needs
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: to be based.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: On the one. Especially I'm not as I like the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: old one.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, are there any other aspects of the uniforms, logos,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: team branding you think are in need of updates?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Not updates? So we were talking about this. The new
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: jerseys have actually grown on me. The current yeah, oh
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: they know the current Yeah. I think maybe because they
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: finally got rid of the blue pants and the silver
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: and all that. Again, I would just go back to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: the old numbers. That would be you know what I'm
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: talking about, right, Yeah? The old one just loops a
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: little more classic football the one I want to see
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: because we got a question, should the Patriots do new
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: jerseys that are basically the rivalry style but in the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: traditional color?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: I see, which I know people hate the stripes. They
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: say they're Coltsish. First of all, those called Bruin stripes
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: because they actually originated at UCLA. I'm good with the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Patriots or Bruins stripe team when they start. I think
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty they technically had something different, but nineteen
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: sixty one they were Bruin stripes. Give me the nineties
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Royal Blues, which I know isn't going to happen. So
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: here's my pitch, and it's becoming more popular around the NFL.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: I actually think we can maybe get this done. We're
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: loud enough with it. Road throwbacks have been a great
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: trend in the last like three to four years. Road throwback,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: the white throwback. The Niners have had one for a while.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks brought theirs back this year. The Bucks just announced,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: I think today, that they're going to bring theirs back
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: this year. The Jets do one, which, by the way,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: it's weird that a uniform I watch growing up is
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: now a throwback. But the Curtis Martin's Jet jerseys are
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: great bring back. They don't even do the home version
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: of that. They only do the road I would love
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: to see, and they wore them in nine when they
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: did that whole throwback. What everyone's fifteenth year the AFL thing. Yeah,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: give me only for them like once or twice a year.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Give me the road white throwbacks. Do them with red pants,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: red face mask on the white helmet. That's the jersey
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I want to see. I want to see the road
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: throw back and I want this to be a normalized
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: thing around the NFL. And I've been saying for years
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football should be throwback Thursday, and that's how
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: you work this in. But if not, maybe when Miami
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: wears Miami is a road throwback. But when Miami wears
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: their throwback teals, you wear it. Or if you're playing
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: the Bills and they're doing their whoever you're playing, if
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: a team is wearing their throwback, you say you know
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: what will join you and you break out the road throwbacks.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: That's the uniform I really want to see. Okay, I'll
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: go at the nineties one. I want to see the nineties.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: I want to see that too. I just kind of
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: don't think that's happening. This one with the red numbers. Yeah,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. And you could either
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: do so the white helmet they wear it with the
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: white face mask. Now there were three iterations of it,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: white face mask, gray face mask, and red. I don't
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: know all this, why don't you. I don't care about
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: the gray face mask. I think that's a me look.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: If they did it with still the white face mask,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: that would be fine. But the red face mask and
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: the red pants would be a great look. I'm trying
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: to find a picture of this because they were maybe
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: they didn't wear the white face masks with or the
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: red face mess with the red fans pants, but look
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: at Irving Fryar here. No, I it'd be a great look.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: It's a slick look.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 7: I like.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm if. If anybody upstairs that's in control
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: these things are listening, I'm telling you that's the next
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: move the road throwback.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: You know they might be listening.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Christopher emailed in about the pace stats that we were
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: talking about the uh second. Yeah, they had to lead
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: in most of their games, so it was beneficial to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: go slower and run clock. I should have mentioned this,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: but I try not to bogg it down with too
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: much nerd.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: Is this like cutout?
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: It's in situation neutral, right, so you're within a score,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: not the last two minutes of the half, right, So
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: not the last two minutes of the first half or
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: the end of the game, and so they're they're neutral.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: They account for that in the statistic.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: I belie even say in terms of total plays run.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: So you know, some of the teams that are at
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: the top. The Cowboys are obviously trailing good amount. The
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Bears had some leads, the Chargers, the Jaguars, the Broncos.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: The Broncos were a team. They need to shortened games
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: as much as possible. They ran the fifth most plays
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: the Texans. That's another elite defense. Rams, Giants, Bills, Niners,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Rams out the top ten in terms of total plays run.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Rather than giving you all the qualifiers and giving you
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: a popsicle headache, I usually just kind of come out with.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: The fair enough.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, this is from Ramon and Tampa. Ramon's got
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: some hot takes here.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: So earlier in the show, I said that Drake may
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: took the Patriots to the Super Bowl. He said, is
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: that true? I don't recall that being the sentiment last year. Well, objectively,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: he took the team to the Super Bowl. Is a fact.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: He was the quarterback for the suit. Yes, he didn't
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: physically fly the plane.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: We could say that he didn't carry them to the
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl because he didn't play well enough. But he
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: did take a team.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: To the Super You know what, though, that is a
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: good uh semantics submon. That is a good catch twenty
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: two emails because that is very semantics driven.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: But then this is where it gets even spicier. Not
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: to take anything away from him, but I don't think
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: he was the driving force in the regular season or
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean playoffs. No, he was not the driving force.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: That's he did not have a good playoffs saying he
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't the driving force in the regular season. Who what
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: does he say?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: Who was?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Nope, he just said not the driving force in the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: regular season, to which I say, he was like three
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: votes from winning him Who was?
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: I would assume he means the defense, but they played
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: some weak ass offense there. There was more about the defense,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: and the driving force in.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: The regular season was absolutely the offense. In Drake may
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: they were that was one hundred percent what was winning
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: them games in the regular season and then in the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: playoffs said no, without a doubt, Jos, I don't know,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: or maybe he's going to say that we the schedule
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: was like the driving force in the regular season, but.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Again, the schedule is more about weak defenses than weak offenses.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Uh, this is from Seth. Who do
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: you view as Kyle Williams's upside after one year in
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: the league, or how do you view? Sorry, So he
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: has some comparisons. He was listening to a fantasy football
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: podcast that was your First Mistake, and they mentioned h
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, which I think he said that seems lofty.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Agreed that would be I mean the apex of that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: kind of player to me, and this is maxed out
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: would be Jamison Williams. Okay, like if if if Kyle
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Williams truly maxes out in every what if goes the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: right way because Jameson Williams is not volume guy. Jameson
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Williams is He's gonna run straight down the field, is
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: going to run by guys.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: He's got He's a strider.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: But I think in terms of like usage enrolled right, like,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: think about it, if Kyle Williams maxes out, what's his
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: role so run down the field to run by people,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: catch the ball?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: So he said. The other comparison, he uses Philip Dorset, so.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: That's probably more grounded. I don't think I think.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Terrible Dorset is like the floor realistic maybe yeh, somewhere
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: in between there.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Dor set If I'm remembering correct, it was a little
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: savvy of a route runner. And I'm not saying ky
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Wlliams can't get there. I don't think it's like I
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: don't think he wasn't Julian Edelman. But I think Williams
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: needs to improve a little bit to be as a
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: route runner. But I think dor Set's a solid comp.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: So the I looked at door Set, I don't know
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: if that's I don't know if floor is disrespectful to
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Philip Dorset. So maybe like that's the comp, Like that's
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: the fair comp.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: I think that's it, like a fair middle.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: The guy that I've always looked at as the ceiling
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: comparison for Kyle Williams is Brandon Cooks.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember making it saying that last summer. That's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: probably more accurate.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: See Brandon Cook's a little faster, I think. But I
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: think overall, like if we're you know, Dorset's kind of
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: the flourish type of problem, you know, comparison, and then
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: I think Cooks is the ceiling. I don't really see
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: a ton of Terry McLaurin.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know where that's coming from. I guess
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: in theory because it's a fantasy football podcast, they're just
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: probably talking about ross stats like stats.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't take shots at the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: fantasy football people.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah I did.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Anyways, Oh, this is someone that Anthony agrees with you
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: about Pop Douglas, and Paul does bring this up. Paul
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: always points out that Pop and Kishon Booty had similar
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: numbers last year. I feel we tend to overvalue Booty
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: production and undervalue Pop. So will Pop and Pop and
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: he feels that he has a unique skill set at
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: the wire seat room. It is true there are stats
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: aren't very common.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: So this is actually a good example of the base
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: running analogy I like to use. Right, you have two
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: prospects in the baseball draft. They both run to first
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: base in five seconds flat. One guy does it with
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: perfect form, one guy does it with bad form. Who
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: do you draft?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: We always do this and I always get it wrong
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: the guy.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: With imperfect form because he has room to get better. Right,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's why they had the same production. But
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: I think Booty last year played a very clean season. Yeah,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: there wasn't much you were looking at were like, here's
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: where you can improve Pop Douglas. There were certainly moments
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: who are like, Okay, that has to be better. Yet
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: they put up the same numbers so if Booty's kind
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: of maxed out and Pop Douglas has all this area
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: for improvement, but they did the same statistically, what happens
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: when Pop Douglas improves, right, He's going to pass him?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Sure, I hear you.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Now that's it's not guaranteed the pot you had to
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: put the work in, right, Yeah, it's not guaranteed that
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas pass him. But again, if him and may
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: have really kind of turned a page and their chemistry
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: is improved, maybe you start to see that.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is emails from Alex. He said during the
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: World Cup final, little player was offside and they were
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: able to show pepieve it's not plural off side, not
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: off side.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Well, in the NFL, it's off sides. And this is
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: an NFL building again, so offside. Yeah, and they do
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: they do singular for teams too.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 10: But do you.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: Spain have advanced.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, sure. During the World Cup final, player was
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: offside and they were able to show through some sort
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: of cross section how much he was offside. So she's
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: talking about var and the technology. Why can't that sort
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: of technology be used in the NFL. The quickest answer
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: is money. It costs money.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: So it's money. But also because they did that, Remember
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: they tried to do the virtual measurement.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: That was a little different, But yes, it's.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: The The virtual measurements only as good as the spot
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: of the ball. They need to get they need to
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: enhance the spotting the ball. So what you need for
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: that is not only a chip in the ball, but
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: a chip in every player's knee pads and I guess
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: somehow on their elbows or something.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Have to figure out a way to tell when the
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: player touches down on the ground and where the ball
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: is simultaneously right and on first touch of the ground right.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: So off side in soccer is a two point equation
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: and football it's a three point equation. Yeah, so they're
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: spotting the balls are three.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: They have worked on technology with chipping the ball. Yeah,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: it is not. It's proprietary. It's not public yet right
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: uh And as of right now, my at least little
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: bit of understanding on it is that it's not there yet.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Well, because again, knowing where the ball is is only
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: as good as the spot.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Right, So they can spot the ball.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: They can say here's where the first down is, here's
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: where the ball is spotted. We're gonna measure it down
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: to a nano media you see if it's first down,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: But if the ball's spotted incorrectly, what does it matter?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 10: How?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: What does it matter? How act or you can make
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: that measurement. It's the spotting of the ball that they
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: need to fix. And that one's gonna be hard because
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: there's just too many points involved in doing that.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd have to be able to figure out simultaneously. Again,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: when is a guy down right? And where is the
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: ball when the guy is first down?
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: And it's tough because you could put the sensor in
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: the knee pad and yeah, that maybe they should do
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: that in a work. Ninety percent of the time, you're
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: always gonna have those weird plays. What if his elbow
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: touches first, what if his ass touches first? Whatever? Where Like?
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna just have these guys censor to all hell? Like?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way that you could do it, I suppose,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: is with video where they could go frame by frame
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: and Okay, his elbow touches down here right, the chip
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: and the ball is telling us at this point the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: ball is on there, So you could do.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: That, but again, and that would work for some What
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: about the quarterback sneak where there's like ten guys on
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: top of it, right right, and you can't you can't
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: see it right?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Fair enough? All right, This is a question or a
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: statement or whatever from Sean in Vancouver. YEA, the Patriots
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: managed Morgan Moses last year really well and he stayed healthy.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Could they take the same approach with Vera Tucker? I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: think so, Yeah, I think they could. You know, Moses
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: and I expect him to fully be on this this offseas,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: especially with Lomu in this training camp. I should say,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: with Lomo wanting to get him reps, I absolutely think
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: that Moses is gonna be on a very strict pitch
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: count in team drills in full eleven on eleven's. I
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: think they could do something similar with Vera Tucker based
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: off of the spring. I remember him saying or someone
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: saying reporting that he actually asked to have the reins
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: taken off a little bit. He wanted more reps as
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: his spring war on. So we'll see where that lands.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's absolutely possible. I think that they've had
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: a pretty decent track record of knowing when to manage
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: guys this staff. It's only been one year. But I
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: think last year they kind of for the most part,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: they did a really good job of that with ventering guys,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: whether it was Moses or Hunter, Henry had his days off.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Harrab Landry obviously was managed all season long. Like, I
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: think they did a some job of that type of stuff.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: I expect that to continue.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: By the way, you want a quick update here? Sure,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: bottom of the first four nothing red Sox, no way.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: Jared Duranda just ripped a triple h who had the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: other RB?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: I think was what is happening with this team? Maybe
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: this was just the movie. Yeah, But in Moneyball when
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: they're about to break the record for the longest winning streak,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: didn't they have like a ten to nothing lead and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: they almost blew it or something like that.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: I forget. I haven't seen that a why.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what happened in real life,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: but I'm like ninety nine percent sure that's what happened
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: in the movie. As you can imagine, I was a
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: big fan of that movie.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: I was Durbin who had the other RB. I s
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Durbin than there are two outs, but.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Some people tell you that the same war as Alex Berman,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard that.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, you think I'm gonna use war What
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: do you really think I'm gonna use war? It's base
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: at least do ops that?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: But that's you heard Tom Warner say that? Did you not?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: Oh I missed that. Oh yeah, it's on your station.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, put it on repeat.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Give me a back ride home. All right, this is
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: from James. I'm a long time listener and fan of
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: the show. Thank you from Ireland. I want to ask
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: about the kick return position for the upcoming season. It
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: strikes me that none of the guys like to be
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: back there, back in the row. Let me try that again.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: It strikes me that none of the guys likely to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: be at the back end of the roster at wide receiver,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: running back fit the prototype for an NFL kick returner,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: given the increase importance to the kick returner and the
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: fact that you two have them out there is okay. Yeah,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: So basically he's saying, you know, who do we think
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: is going to be the kick returner? And do you
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: agree with his premise that none of them really fitted
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: the prototype of it.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams kind of does, but for the most part, no,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Most of their guys don't,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: which again, does it reach love of importance or maybe
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: they bring somebody in So.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: The one guy that I would mention or maybe two
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: one specifically, I do think jam Miller kind of fits
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: the prototype. Yeah a little, but like a four or
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: five running back that's got good.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: He's four or five speedo. I know we've ran a
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: four or five, but I was surprised by that.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's got some juice. Okay,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: I think he does fit the prototype of it a
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't know if it's enough for
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: him to make the roster, you know, like that that's different.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: But I do think he's got a little bit of juice.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna throw this out there, getting two. Does
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Webb somehow sneak in some games, even as a
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: practice squad elevation returning kicks or do they add some
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe none of the three running back none of
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: the third running back candidates pop and they're like, let's
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: go get somebody who can return kicks.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark is in Connecticut? What's up?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 13: Mark?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: How you guys doing great?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 8: Alex? I was just about to say it was for
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: it to nothing red stots that you took that one.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 10: That was good.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: I'm falling.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. So I'm totally not understanding this whole
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 8: gay Baccus situation. Why he's unsigned, why he's having procedures
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  Speaker 8: done after this. I mean, we we went up in
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  Speaker 8: the draft, used to me a lot of draft capital
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: to get this guy, and now he's, you know, maybe
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 8: gonna be red shirted, not even be on the team.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm just really nervous and confused on that
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 8: whole situation. And if that is going to be the case,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 8: why hasn't Mike gone out and got like a jv
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  Speaker 8: On Clowney, who.
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  Speaker 15: He's familiar with, I believe.
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  Speaker 9: Is he still out there guys?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, what.
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  Speaker 8: Is the reasoning for that? Why he hasn't you know,
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  Speaker 8: like I think you guys are saying at the beginning
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  Speaker 8: of the show, why haven't we shirt up with a
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: veteran guy presidence, you know, to get that resolved? And
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 8: are you guys going to be a training camp on Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there, We'll be there every day, guys.
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  Speaker 8: Hope to see you guys.
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  Speaker 1: There sounds good Mark, Well, give us a shout. Well
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  Speaker 1: we'll come say hi.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks, thanks for the call, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's a fair, fair criticism. It's a fair call.
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  Speaker 1: With Actus, I think it's so hard to tell because
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  Speaker 1: since he's not under contract, they can't him on any
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: of the lists, So we don't know if he's healthy.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: We don't know if it's health related, contract related, a
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: combination of the both things. It's a weird situation.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 16: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I can say, and it's a press
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: conference and we'll see how truthful he is. But Mike
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: Raywel will talk on Friday. I would imagine it's one
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: of the first questions he's gonna get asked. Is Gonzales,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: acis Landry, all the above, And we'll see what he
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: has to say about where they're at right now with Akis.
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  Speaker 1: This is just my opinion, just you know, my conjecture
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: of it. It feels to me like there was an
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: injury that happened at some point in the process that
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: they were late to catch or something along those lines
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: that happened after the draft, and that I think is
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: what is the whole situation comes back to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they would have drafted him knowing there
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: was something that would prevent them from signing the contract.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it was the hamstring, because they
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: knew about that. The whole league knew about that. Mike
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: Ree's had some reporting about maybe a knee thing, like
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: a cleanup or something like that that he might have
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: had to get done. Whatever the case may be. Something
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: to me transpired from the day of the second day
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: of the draft, the night of the second round when
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: they drafted the kid to now, and that's why we're here.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: And my guess is is that they're haggling over The
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: Patriots probably want to put some protection in terms of
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: guaranteed money on the contract. Achis obviously wants to get
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: it close to one hundred percent guaranteed as he possibly can.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: The Patriots are probably saying, well, you're hurt, or you
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: had a procedure, or whatever the case may be, and
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: here we are. We'll see, you know, they have a
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: couple of days to get it done before training camp
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: and we'll find out. But I don't know if we're
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: ever going to truly find out what exactly happened. But
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: something happened. We knew, that's all. That's all I can
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: tell you. I don't have any much more than that.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: All right, So tomorrow Patriots Unfiltered back at twelve to
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: two tomorrow, what do you do? And you've got a
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: million things going on, I'm sure.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: I'm doing an episode of the Patriots Hub podcast. Now,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: that's all today. It's our first show back since the spring. Nice,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: So we'll kind of, you know, run through our thoughts
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: going into camp, and then we'll have another episode on
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Friday after Rabel talks.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: So on this show, Catch twenty two. Next Wednesday is
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: actually conveniently the first off day of training camp in
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: terms of practice, So we're going to be twelve to
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: two still next Wednesday, and we'll recap the first five
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: days of training camp. So we'll have plenty to talk about.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, plenty to talk about. So we'll see you
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: guys next week on Catch twenty two from twelve to
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: two tomorrow, pu same time as always. We'll see you
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: guys then.
• 1:58:33
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• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.