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Wicker Daddy Energy And A Town Full Of Haters · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: I will say I woke up this morning.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was feeling a little bit like 2008, though.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Just feel a little a little reminiscent, you know.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Are you hopefully optimistic or just uh it's not gonna happen, nothing's changing.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean I'm optimistic.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: I just hope that Democrats get their shit together and do something that's good for people.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: They really wasted the opportunities they had in 2020 and stuff.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: That that's been my entire life experience since the hopeful period.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Was the Democrats hold it down, get our hopes up, and just maintain while we get the pendulum swing and all the nasty fascism comes swinging in after they wasted our time.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, but today I feel I choose to feel a little bit hopeful.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I'm gonna do.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um I wanna be hopeful.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be hopeful.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: It reminds me of 2008.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_04: I guess we'll see what happens.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: It just brought me back a little bit.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's when I uh 2008, uh not 2008, but probably for me, 2010 in that period is you know when I I really started drinking, and you know, and it was good times.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Good times.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't even drink in 2010.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that was when we first became we were first able to drink, right?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: 2010, yeah.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: 2010, yeah.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and we did that.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: We did that indeed.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: What grade was I in 2010?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: No idea.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: I assumed you were 45.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Black don't crack.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, after a certain age, it's just like you're what, man, you're you're 39, you're 40, what 30 or 40 years old?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_04: Tomato tomato at that point.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: After you're a certain age, who knows?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, well, anybody.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh anyway.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Ryan Baron North.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: With me as always, James Croslin joining us this week, returning Kadarius.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: We, of course, the only podcast keeping alive the fandom that is the mystery files of Shelby Woo.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea what you're talking about.
• 2:43
  unknown: No.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a uh it was in 1996 to 1999, 41 episodes about a uh a woman solving crime with uh her father, Pat uh Morita.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was a Nick show.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: This is not ringing a bell at all.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: I never saw a single episode.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: I only saw the commercials for it.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but yeah, no, I got to.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what we're not gonna be talking about it all day.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: So don't worry, people.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: What we're actually gonna be talking about this week is the film Wicker.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we're gonna deliver it in a three-part method guaranteed to get you the best results for your podcasting buck.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, first we're gonna rate this bad boy out of five stars, get you the definitive rating.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: It could never be argued again.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Then we're gonna jump onto the golden path and delve into the deeper meanings of the film.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: And finally, we're gonna insert ourselves drugs and alcohol into the film.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: And what makes it so special, so fun, so wonderful is that we're going to be doing it under the influence.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh well, James, did you want to start?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: What are you bringing this week?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know you're running low on the usual.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is my last ube one.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I actually finished the bottle today, so.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: Ube coffee.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Coffee.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_04: I guess that's what we owe it.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Canaries, what did you bring?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I was gonna pop open another bottle, but I'm saving it for uh something that I can't speak about right now.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_04: So I got smeared off red, white, and berry.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now is that just uh they just flavored vodka essentially?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_04: Pretty much, and then I got a Mike's Hard Pink as a chaser, because you know I'm a baby.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Here you go.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Lovely.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll be uh finishing off the rest of this uh wild turkey 101.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: 101 horsepower.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Gets me where I need to be for$20.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: So let's line them up.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: First toast, first shot, first hit.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: This one's going out to our newest listeners this week.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: These ones are coming to us from Research Triangle Park of North Carolina.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: We got some scientists out there.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what this is what they need.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Riverhead, New York, Abbeyville, South Carolina, and then of course, Milan in the province of Milan.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Italy, nice.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Here's to them.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers global.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: That gets you where you need to be.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: Second.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here uh Darius, I challenge you to the no face shot.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: The no face shot.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: No face shot.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Can you do it with a total straight face?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: Let's do it.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: On your count.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: Three, two, one.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: I could do it too.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like water.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like water.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_04: Clip.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be a good clip to uh the ticker, the ticker toxic and the IGs and uh well I've been seeing some other uh uh drinking channels, they try and do that straight face one, and honestly, they usually suck at it.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, coffee was too sweet.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hopefully this next one is just right.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: And here is to our film this week, here's to Wicker.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: Lovely.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: The listeners love when you're on Kadarius, because they always get they always get some excellent belches for their morning commute.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: I I really hope that I'm a guest star to these people that like when they're listening to the High and Dry podcast, one of the greatest podcasts out there that's gonna make history, you know.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_04: When they hear that Kadarius, a K Corito, Big K, you know what I'm saying?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_04: Big Coritos on.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_04: I just hope like I just oh yeah, yeah, I got the sweater.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_04: I got more merch all the way, too.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_04: Anyways, we're not on that.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_04: I just hope that it makes their day and they just tune in even more when they hear me.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: You you bring an element that we particularly enjoy.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I haven't dropped the N-word yet.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think also greatly appreciated.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: But you do you.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you do you.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: That that's your side of the screen.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but live your truth.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, live your truth.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Forgive us if we don't join you in that one.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: So all right, we'll talk about this movie.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, who wants to sum this one up?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mind.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: I could do it, please.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we find ourselves in a fairy tale land uh uh populated by a bunch of small town shitheads, which you and I are familiar with that feeling, Ryan.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Is Kadarius, do you live in a small town or do you live in like the bigger population area or somewhat bigger?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in your familiar with But I'm familiar with it because I come the surrounding Missouri, yeah.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Small town shitheads who have nothing to do but uh gossip and are, you know, uh are enveloped in all their little traditions that that they see as the most meaningful experiences that you can have.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and there's this one woman who's a fisher woman who is lonely.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: She's played by Olivia Coleman.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she's kind of looked down on by everybody because she smells like fish, and uh she's not she doesn't put up with any of the of the stupid traditions.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and so uh and uh uh everything gets upended when the wicker maker, who's like a master, a master craftsman, uh ends up uh she requests a wicker husband, who is uh Alexander Skarsgaard, and he ends up making one for her, and uh they get married, and he bones her real good, and uh and he does all the chores that she needs done around the house, and everybody gets equal parts jealous and like and and covetous and indignant about the situation, and their little town life uh implodes, and the the movie ends with uh with Olivia Coleman and her wicker husband and the wicker maker riding off into the sunset with a little wicker baby, and the town uh the town just kind of torn apart by their uh own vices uh surrounding uh surrounding uh this this unusual uh social upending of their norms.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: Does that seem that's about it?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I saw.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: We watched the same film.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: We did do that.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Hooray, I did it.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thumbs up.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, fucking nailed it.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's rate this bad boy then.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: So uh what did you guys think?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean I could kick this one off if you don't mind while it's still while it's still fresh before the the fires of that wild turkey get to my brain.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I um I knew nothing about this movie walking into it.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: I had just heard a bunch of Wicker Daddy and like some people saying that it was like that it was like adjacent to softcore pornography.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: That was all I had heard about this movie.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted Wicker, I thought it was gonna be Wicker Man, and I thought it was gonna be Nick Nick Cage shoved inside of a wicker guy movie.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I thought we were about to see another Wicker.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought was gonna happen.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only time I've ever seen Wicker used the American language after 1974.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, and so I was expecting a remake.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: I had seen absolutely nothing about this.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, even when I when the wicker guy shows up and I heard Skarsgard's voice, I'm like, oh holy shit, he's in like I knew nothing about this fucking film.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, a lot of the times I find that that's the best way to watch a movie.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, absolutely.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: I've had a lot of good experiences doing it that way.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this was one of them.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: I I thoroughly enjoyed this film.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um I had same, same day.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I had a great time.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was a lot I enjoyed about it.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, the golden pass, some of it was like some of the messages were definitely like shoved up our ass, like I get it.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like they just got ahead with a bat.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: But I thought the they hit us over the head with a bat, and also the bat was like they're they're also like, this is not a bat, as they were hitting us over that.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and uh I felt that and I felt like for the three of us, cultured, high-class, educated gentlemen, this was getting hit over the head with a bat.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll talk about this later on in the uh golden path.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I feel like the people watching this though, the uneducated, unwashed masses that are the United States of America, it's not as badish as to us as it is, like to them as it is to us.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like this made a lot of them, especially in that Midwestern area we're talking about in the beginning.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like this made a lot of them uncomfortable.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I imagine if these women managed to get that husband into the theater, they were sitting next to each other rather uncomfortably.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's true.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think that this is more like a fifty shades of gray situation.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like this one is like audiences and critics both love this movie, which is uh and I think that I I when I went to the theater, it was like mostly women.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: There were there were couples too, but it was the vast the majority was women.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: So they were fucking they were there was a lot of wet seats when the movie was over.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh they had to come through with a mop uh and and clean up.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I do remember having to like keep shifting over until I found one that was dry.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, well, for me, I I had a good time.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I did have a good time.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: And there was a lot in there I saw that I appreciated.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, first acting.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: I thought the acting here was really well done.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I I thought that Olivia Coleman was was great.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Alexander Scargaard was was was a wicker piece of furniture, but he did he he did what he was supposed to do.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: He was a little stiff, in my opinion.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_04: Walk a walk.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's me schlapper right there.
• 14:40
  unknown: All right.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's why people come over here.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I I enjoyed Peter Dinklage in this one.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: I liked him a lot.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I I thought a lot of the acting here uh I thought was well done.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, especially for what they were trying to do.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I did enjoy it.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: This one for me, the acting.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is a tough one.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's Olivia Coleman that pulls it up for me while everyone else was kind of middling.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to give the acting on this one a 3.5.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: 3.5.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'll always love um Olivia Coleman for her uh her stellar performance in Hot Fuzz.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Hot Fuzz, yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: She's really great in Hot Fuzz.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's a gem right there.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think a lot of people know about Hot Fuzz.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Not anymore, man.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Not anymore.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: We getting old, dude.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's classic.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's cult classic.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: I I actually just watched it this season.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, uh cinematography.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um cinematography at fault was was well was done.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: They did the cinematography.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: There, this was, in fact, the cinema, and it wasographied.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: Not a lot to say about it, huh?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but nothing like stood out to you, just kind of like popped out, made it.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing screams that they were telling the story with the camera itself.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: It looked like the story and the acting um were the ones carrying it, and the camera was just kind of being dragged along behind it.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a few shots that are done there, but nothing that really screams, especially when we're talking about the camera telling a story like we do in other episodes.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, for that I'm gonna give cinematography to someone a three.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: It did the job.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, was there anything like awe-inspiring from me?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 16:48
  unknown: Okay.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Score.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was kind of off-putting when the wicker man busted out that guitar solo.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: But um I felt it added to it, honestly.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: The score um it served its purpose, it served its purpose.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do I remember?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Am I humming wicker on the way to work?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: But it was fine.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was fine.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: There was no Jurassic World guitar, so score gets a three.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, story here, I thought was a lot of fun.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I enjoyed the story.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was obviously a fairy tale, um, but I I thought it was modernized and it was poking fun at some of the right stuff for me, you know, and I appreciated it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed it.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Not I was never sitting there going, like, uh, how much time do I have left on this thing?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it kept me through the whole thing.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so for that story on this one, I'm gonna give a four.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: And how long can you wait?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Are you like going back to the theater tomorrow?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I already have my tickets.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh rewatchability, when it comes out and it's on, I'll pop it on again.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll pop it on again, uh especially because it has a happy ending.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed the ending.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed everyone's comeuppance.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: A town is destroyed.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck that town.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I'm a straight up anarchist as it is.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: I uh shit about that.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_04: Now, whose fault was it though?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Like you know what I'm saying?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, and I was so glad that fucking pervert got it bad.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, everyone kind of like got what they had coming.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I enjoy that.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: That increases my rewatchability.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed the story, I had fun with it.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I liked the acting.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Rewatchability for me on this one.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give it a three.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: So 3.3 so far.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty good.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, gentlemen, do you want to go next, Kadarius?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, I can go next.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: So alcohol starting to kick in.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: I love feeling this way.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's such a good time.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: I love coming on these podcasts.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: I'm acting.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Fisher Woman, because you know they I loved how they didn't go by names, they went by their occupation, was their name.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Very fairy tale-like.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, very fairy tale-like.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: I loved it.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Olivia Coleman is her name.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: I loved her acting.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: She did amazing.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: Now, me personally, my favorite was the wicker man, uh, Peter Dinklish.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: Just because he had funny moments in it, especially like at the end when it came to the baby, and he's like talking to the fisherwoman, he's like, Do you do you think baskets are born?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_04: I I started busting out laughing in the theater.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone else was laughing with me.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I of course, as you were saying, I was probably like the only guy there that wasn't there without a couple, you know what I'm saying?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh well.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_04: I enjoyed this movie very much, actually.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So acting just this lone dude surrounded by women, jacking it to fucking wicker scars guard.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Did you see the way he was putting her through the bed?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Through the he broke the bed when the roof started leaking.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: That wasn't even the rain, that was her squirting, bro.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm letting you know that now.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a it was like it was like the Dutch oven where it like goes up and then drips back down.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: It was like one of those towns you see in like a central park or something.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's just shooting up and it just comes.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: The house is self-basting.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: When the story was going on, I felt I was the wicker man, but when they were having sex, I put myself in Coleman's position for some reason.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was odd.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'm glad you said that because I want someone to please one.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't want to feel like the it's too often in our society that the man is expected to do the work.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Some of us just want to be pleased, some of us just want to be taken to bed, you know.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, you know what I'm saying?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm picking up what you're putting down.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_04: I'm seeing what you're saying, like closed captions.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: Anyways, acting.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, Olivia Coleman did such a good job.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_04: I love the way Peter Dinklich, uh, I said this name all wrong.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: Peter Dinklich.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_04: I am you got it.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's alcohol.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: That's alcohol talking, excuse me.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: I love the way like when he hindried podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: I love the way like when he played the wicker man as well.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: Like obviously he's the mastermind, the creator, his stuff is magic because he makes Wicker come alive, you know.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: So the whole him like talking, having the inner dialogue, even though he's saying it out loud, but having that inner dialogue out loud, I feel like he also played a good role in that too.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_04: What was I guess it was like the Taylor's wife, hating ass bitch?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if I say that, but I said that.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she is a hating ass bitch.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna hold you.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: So But yeah, in my opinion, she could get it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: She could get it.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth DeVicki can get it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: She can get it.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: If if we were together, I'd dap you up right now.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: Give me a little.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: She gets it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: When someone can get it, High and Dry Podcast is never afraid to met when someone can get it.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, there was a lot of people in there that could get it.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: He could get it.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: He put me through the mattress.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: Don't put that on camera.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, put it on camera.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_04: I don't care.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's going to but acting, acting, I'm with you.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: Acting, I'm gonna give a four.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, four.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: Cinematography, I can agree that like there was no like shots that made it jump out or anything.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: It was more of like the acting, the storytelling was fully based on the acting.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_04: The acting carried a lot of it.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: Cinematography, I'd probably have to give a three as well.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: Score, granted, I'm not like you said, I'm not coming wicker man to work or anything, but with the score, I did like how whenever something was going on, when I could hear the score, I could tell, like, okay, maybe someone's being mischievous, like the hating ass bitch, Taylor's wife.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: Whenever, whenever she came on, there was always like a little, you know what I'm saying?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: Something that lets you know.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_04: You know, something that lets you know, like, alright, something's about to go down.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: So score sort of like Wizard of the Oz-esque, like when the witch was showing up.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking an original truly guy.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_04: Right, right, right, right, right.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so score, I can't hate on it too bad.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: I think I would give score 3.5.
• 23:46
  unknown: Okay.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, it didn't stand out to me, but of course, when I hear it, you knew something was kind of going on.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_04: Story?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: I overall enjoyed this movie.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_04: Even though it was just, like you said, soft core porn.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like you should have threw a Brazzers emblem at the bottom of it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: There was like three sex scenes, and you only saw her feet.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_04: I s did we watch the same movie?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: Because I promise she was getting cracked.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: She was getting cracked more than.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it was all implied.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like I did not see any wicker dong.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: There was no wicker dong.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Was there wasn't?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: I thought there was when he was in the water when he was fishing.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_04: He was like working the fishing thing for her.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's fine.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: There was wicker dong.
• 24:35
  unknown: Yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: You weren't paying attention.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: You weren't looking for dong hard enough.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: My bad.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_04: My bad.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: I had my eyes open.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was searching.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, I mean, the way left, right, down, left.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: For real.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: The way the way you hear the the wicker dong just start.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: The crackling of the wicker is so funny.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: That shit was hilarious.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: The whole theater bust out laughing when the wicker started crackling as he got hard.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: That was a good scene.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, good for that.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was actually a Blue Chew commercial.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: This is spot Wickerman.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: Wicker, sponsored by Blue Chew.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's what it was.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: But uh story, I'm actually gonna give a four.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: Personally.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: Rewatchability.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: I have a friend who wants to go see it, and I am excited to go see it again with them.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: So rewatchability, I would actually give a four.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, okay.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: So calculate.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: So we're up to 3.5 now.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so here's where I come in and change the trajectory a little bit.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um ready for this.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I this movie did a good job of pulling me along with it, and I was having a good time most of the time.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: But then there were a few key things that really took it down for me.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh some of them we'll get to when we get to uh Golden Path and stuff.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: But the acting, uh for the most part, I really liked the acting.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that, you know, you know, Ryan, I said I know you said that uh Alexander Skarsgard didn't really do enough for you.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but I thought his ability to be the like straight man in the No, I I thought it was I I was miss I misspoke if that was the case.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: I thought for what they needed him to do, it he did really well.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he did really well.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I thought he did really well too, and I think Olivia Coleman did really well.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: And there were a few like British comedians and stuff that I'd seen like in some other media that I really enjoyed in there, and I thought they all did a great job, and so I'm gonna give it a four for acting.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: For cinematography, you guys uh you guys only gave it a three.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: I felt that the cinematography, you're right that they didn't really do you know our classic tell the story with the camera.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: They tended to repeat things also with the with narration.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing about stories like this, is they also have a narrator, you know, because it's a fairy tale, and the uh the basket maker was a narrator for portions of it, and he kind of like summed up the themes like during intervals, like every time someone had came to him to get get them to build him something.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: He was like, What if is this going to upend the social order?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then it did, you know.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's that kind of thing with a fairy tale, but they had some really interesting shots like when she was paddling down the river in her like big basin.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they shot that from above and stuff, and then they they they had some they had some really interesting shots uh uh in this movie, and and like the camera would follow people into houses as they would walk sideways, like and go through the walls and stuff.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: It was almost like a play, also.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a combination between a play and a fairy tale.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I liked I liked the cinematography.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a 3.5.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Also fair.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I wouldn't argue that either for myself.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: The score, yes, I felt like it was like Kadarius was saying, I felt like it was like that one actually did lead the audience.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: I did notice it several times that the score told us what to feel.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, like it was like, should we be suspicious of this person?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: Should we is this mysterious?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: Is this upwelling and like, you know, meaningful?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: And the score did a really good job of those things.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: It is once again very fairy tale-like, like when we were kids, and it's like Looney Tunes, like watching Looney Tunes or something and having the score tell you how you're supposed to feel.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we're supposed to be energetic here.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we're supposed to be like, you know, we're supposed to be patient here or, you know, thoughtful.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought it did a really good job of enhancing the stare the uh the fairy tale storybook style of the uh movie, and so I'm gonna give it a 3.5 there.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Now, plot, I thought the plot was I agree with with you, Ryan, where you said it was poking fun at the right kind of people, and that that was it was fun, it was good fun in games with that, uh, with poking fun at the right people.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: But there were parts where it like fell through that I didn't really like.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, especially when it came to like like early in the movie, there was a quote about about a fish in the ice and swam up to see its own reflection and fell in love with it.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: And he and he said, you know, perhaps it would have been better to not see the reflection.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that was what the narrator, the basket weaver, said that early on.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't get the exact quote.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: But that I felt set the tone for the movie, and I was expecting that to pay off, and it did not.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: When when uh because Olivia Coleman like has this puppet, and she's like, You were programmed to love me, and he's like, and and then the Bass Maker's like, No, he any choices he made were his own, and at the end he's like, Listen, I'll love you no matter what.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, my love doesn't come with any kind of pro doesn't need any promises or conditions or anything.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: I just love you.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like that's not a good exploration of like being hurt and like and and like trust and things like that.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: I would agree, like, because at the end of the day, he was she did like I get why she did it.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: There was a huge lead up of trauma that she's working through, but you still lit this dude on fire.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you need to repent.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like, yeah, and yeah, so I felt like there were portions of that that I felt like really fell through and didn't pay off, and I was kind of annoyed by where I was like, I want I want there to be some conflict between these two because it's because yeah, it's a fairy tale, but the fairy tale is about things being upended, like the order being upended and having to confront these things we don't talk about.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's the whole town had to confront the things we don't talk about, but she and her wicker dildo did not need to confront the things they didn't talk about.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm talking about?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, and so that's where I felt it really it really uh you know fell through for me.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm only gonna give it a 2.5 in the plot.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: And for rewatchability, um uh I will rewatch this when it comes out with Sherid, because I like to have sex.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, don't we know?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: She and so but that's the only reason, and so I'm only going I'm gonna give it a I'm just gonna give it a two for rewatchability.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right, fair, fair, fair.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: So calculating it is uh 3.36 repeating.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and so that rounds up to 3.5.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there you have it, and which is again speaks to the infallible nature of High and Dry Podcast and its hosts.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_04: It can't be argued.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, perfect, perfect again.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: So here is two wicker with you're perfectly scored, never to be argued again, 3.5.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: 3.5 is a great score.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great score.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great score.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, who do you think you are?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: The thing.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for real.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Total recall?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like no.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think you are?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Jurassic Park?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: Centers.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, centers exactly.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: You don't just get to yeah.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you don't just get to I I also kind of want to look up.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Did uh Olivia Coleman write, produce, direct, and star in this thing?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, I want to fuck Skarsguard so fucking bad.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: I've wanted him since True Blood.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: The bed is good.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think she's just an Oscar winner, and she and they're like, she's she's amazing.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do that.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: She is.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: She is, she is.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it's time now to get into the golden path to dive on in to the deeper meanings of this film.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I do just want to like kind of go further on what you were saying there, James.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Was that kind of a point of contention for me too?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: So they started to sort of display Wicker, Wicker husband, as like this perfect antithesis to what everyone else in this village is experiencing and what their experience with love and what partnership and all that shit should be.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so with Wicker not getting any sort of you know, dealing with the fact that this woman that he loves unconditionally and trusted lit his ass on fire because of her jealousy, it almost feels like are you saying that the perfect male partner will let himself be lit on fire while you figure your shit out with no consequences of your own?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so that for me, yeah, that was a part that I didn't particularly enjoy it.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I did agree with how they portrayed partnership, with the shared burdens of everything, with just wanting to be next to each other.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: I feel those things myself.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: But like if I got lit on fire in that point, she would have to bridge now this gap that she created.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't feel that that makes me imperfect, but I feel that this movie may then say that I am for requiring her to bridge that gap after lighting me on fire.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost a role reversal from the from the town, uh, the town being male dominated, and then the woman gets a collar and they run everything, and and the women are just expected to obey and be passive.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it was kind of a role reversal where they put Alexander Skarsgard in that role where he did all of the same things, but at the same time was like, no, I choose to do them.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: And and that doesn't seem like enough.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think they need to have a conversation about like if you're trying to do that, they need to have a conversation about why he's choosing to do it, you know, what that choice means, the difference between choice and obedience, you know.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think they had enough of that conversation.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I really don't think they tried at all to make the wicker husband a person of his own.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: He was there, he just he literally said, I think he exists for her, you know, he only exists because of her, and that he exists for her, and he doesn't really have any wants other than her.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: And he he did offer to rescue the baby, but it just seems like he doesn't want anyone to hurt, you know?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right, but that's not enough of a personality.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: I my thought is like kind of completely different from y'all's.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna hold you.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, please tell us.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we want to hear.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_04: So my thought of like golden path of this movie, because obviously, you know, mine I focused a lot on how hating ass Taylor Bitch wife was uh was coming at the whole thing.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_04: Because, you know, at first, you know, Fisher Fisher woman, she's enjoying her wicker husband, they're just she's living life, she's happy and all this.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_04: And then on the side, like uh Taylor Bitch wife, she's just like, mmm, that's not even love.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's not even love.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just like it kind of goes into that whole thing.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: I always thought the golden path went into the whole thing about like how people's definition of love differed.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_04: And because my definition differs from your definition, doesn't mean that I'm wrong, doesn't mean that you're wrong.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: But you shouldn't have to throw it on to me.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because obviously, you know, whenever her sister was talking about, I think it was her sister, she was like, Oh my god, I want what she has, she has that good love.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: And she's like, that's not love.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: You're so focused on like comparing it to what you have, other than like what they have.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_04: Because obviously, you know, my you know, my definition of a good love is gonna differ from it's gonna differ from yours, right?
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: And it's gonna differ from yours, James.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_04: But just because, like I said, just because ours differ doesn't mean we're wrong.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: And the whole point of like I thought the golden path was like whatever works for you, just focus on that.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, you see how like Taylor, Taylor's wife got so upset by everything, and then her whole life became so focused on the Fisher's woman that her whole life went into disarray, and then you know, towards the end, when the basket maker made the wicker woman up for content.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and she gave like everything, and she's like, Hey, I'm gonna leave my kids, you know, she'll take care of you, and all this other stuff.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, what bothered you so much that you had to give all that up?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think I I've thought about this, and let me know if you agree, Ryan, that essentially all of these tensions were boiling under the surface before the wicker man showed up, was what I got from the story.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: Is that is that she wanted more before the wicker man showed up.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: And she only had when the social order was upset, all of these people saw an opportunity to take advantage of that social order upset to get what they wanted this whole time.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: That that the social order wouldn't allow them that because they were repressed.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, and what I saw from Taylor Woman was I saw uh Republican white women.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Most definitely self-repating, yeah, self-hating republican white.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know she voted for Trump for sure.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: She gets her power by being second in command of this oppressive structure, and she's totally happy as long as she gets to do the oppression down.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: But then as soon as you show her another way, she wants to just cut everyone off, take everything and run.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like she doesn't even want her fucking kids, like she's ready to abandon the kids and everything like that.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like, yeah, she is that right there is Trump voting white women, yeah, is what she was right there.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they want to be influencers, uh, but if her husband tells them to get back in their kitchen, in the kitchen, and they're just like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna run away to California and keep so I can be an influencer.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh but it's I was also glad to see her get her come up when he said, No, I'm not taking that.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then she now has to kind of live with the damage that she wrought to her own structure.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: But but for me, I think one of the things about this, like as we were saying, just this sort of that role reversal, and I think a mistake that a lot, and it obviously super easy for me to say as a white man, you know, I have a lot of privilege, I have a lot of advantage, obviously, but I will always be of the thought that the answer to oppression isn't role reversal.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right, it's not role reversal, it's moving forward.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um, just taking a wicker man now, like if we're with fighting misogyny, the answer is not misandry.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's it is to it's to fix the deeper issues at hand and find something that's healthy for everyone.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: And here, but like it felt like the lesson they were trying to give here was that the the perfect man lets you figure your shit out, hurt him as much as you need to, move forward.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which that's not the answer.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's not the answer.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know it works if it like it works if you're a piece of wick or furniture, but not if you're a human dude.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I did pick up on that when you made that point about how she set him on fire and turned him black, pretty much.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like he went from you know, the worst thing you can do is per a man black.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: I said that in the theater, by the way.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_04: I had the whole theater.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, like when she burned him, and then he just still came back like it was nothing.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_04: He was like, hey, it it you set me on fire.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: You're figuring your shit out.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, that's okay.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you set me on fire.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: You might have stabbed me.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you sh you shot me in the leg.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_04: But hey, you know, it was that whole like, but did I die though?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like he was just yeah, just having that whole thing about like, I guess he's supposed to just, you know, like you said, the perfect man is just supposed to take all that, which that's that's not fair.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_04: Because if like you said, if the roles were reversed, you know, he would need therapy.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: He need to go fix himself all this other which is why you need a magical fairy tale narrator to tell you it's okay.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: The lessons every quarter of the movie to let you know the themes of this next section of your life.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for that, which I do agree.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I had fun with the story, I enjoyed the story, but it was flawed.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: There were parts of it that were flawed.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it doesn't need to be perfect, but you know, when we look at it with this really critical lens, I think it I think it's important to not overlook things.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's important to be hypercritical at a stage because some people may we talk about this a little bit, but people map onto media.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they map things like what what a good relationship looks like, what you know what uh what kind of choices they should make in their life.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: And there are a lot of really good things in here about what not to do with the town, yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: But also not really good ideas on what to do.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: They're like not excellent ideas there.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, gentlemen for an agreement.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think then it is time to insert ourselves into Wicker.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: So fellas, how does Wicker change with the insertion of you?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: The Wicker insertion of you.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: James, did you want to kick this one off?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'll wait for this.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't enter this movie until almost the end.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: All of that stuff happens all exactly the same way.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, the wick the wicker, uh, the basket maker goes off to make the woman, comes back, I'm the woman underneath the dress.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: We know that the wicker people have their own sentience is what he says.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: He says that's a good thing.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I just says that the town now is going, holy shit, it's James Croslin of I and Dry Podcast.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as my veil gets lifted up, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I jump on the guy and start making out with him, and he gets all my thorns in him.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: But the town doesn't really, he doesn't want me, the town doesn't really want me, you know.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: But there are, but we know there are big population centers, right?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: So me as this thorny woman, I now take it into like nobody wants me, nobody wants to touch me, but I know there's a subsection of people out there who do, who are like really into the the pain, the feeling of pain and love combination.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: I go to the big city, I start a BDSM dungeon and become the Thorn Queen, and uh I I whip people into shape and scratch them up, and they pay me.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's a whole new fucking movie.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's this is sequel.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's my sequel leading up to it.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: You just got Republican senator after Republican senator on their fucking hands and knees.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, all these lords and nobles.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I I look like myself too.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: I just look like I have a zoom, yeah.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's a wicker movie.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you're thorny.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I'm thorny.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: I've also got a nice a nice pair of tits, too.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um they don't move like that though, because they're wicker.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you gotta they're kind of hard.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta kind of like struggle with them a little bit.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_04: But you gotta move them softly because you don't want them to break.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: You could get them kind of wet and reshape them a little bit, but well, you don't want the mold to you don't want the mold to show up, so you gotta be.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, you got vinegar for that.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: Vinegar after that, yeah.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's so much semen seeping into the wicker.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh, Kadarius, how do how does the film change when you show up on the scene?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so wicker changes when I show up on the scene.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: The whole you know, the wicker man probably wouldn't even be set on fire when I show up in the scene, okay?
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: Because where I come in, I come in right as what was the dude?
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_04: I forgot who he was.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_04: A little important.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the Taylor White's sister, her husband.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_04: It was right after he dies because the white has the room.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_04: Bottle washer, I mean.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_04: Bottle washer, yeah.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_04: Once uh dishwasher, bottle washer.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_04: Once he dies, you know, she's a widow.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_04: I show up and I'm like, hey girl, you know, I have to come in this video.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_04: I just I mean, listen, I know you're feeling a little down.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_04: You need someone to talk to, you know, you need someone to chill with you, all that.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_04: You swoop it.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just I'm just I'm right in there.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_04: I right, bro.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_04: Did you see how fast she was going?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_04: She was she within?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Not only is this small town interrupted by a wicker man, it is now interrupted by a black man with some game.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_04: A black man with some game, who's also an artist, a music artist, hanging around the funerals.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_04: Hanging around the funerals.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'll I'll introduce her to a different type of sound of music, and she won't even know what it is.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'd be like, you like dancing to that?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_04: Let me show you what I got.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_04: You can dance to this.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_04: Don't even worry about it.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's news music.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_04: You can shake your I know it's it sounds blasphemous, but hang with me here.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I would enter in there.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: I would enter in there.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_04: That way she doesn't even go get the wicker baby made.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_04: So that whole fiasco of throwing, setting the wicker man on fire because she thinks he's cheating on her doesn't exist.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: And then also I go to the wicker man.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, okay, so you know how you fix the roof.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_04: This ain't even for her.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: This is just for me.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: How do you learn it?
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_04: Teach me how to do that.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_04: All this stuff you know how to do, teach me how to do that, and this ain't even for her.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is just for me.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_04: Because like to be a man, you did.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_04: I need that, I need that, and then he takes you to bed and fucking breaks it.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_04: He takes me to bed and then I end up like that guy off of white chicks in a wheelchair.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, but you did what those dudes should have done.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to the wicker man and ask him, like, hey, how do I do that?
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: They did.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: They did ask, and then they were mad about it.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_04: They were mad at what you told them.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_04: But that's the thing.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's the thing.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, if you hear them talk when they were in the bar scene, like their whole mindset is so wrong.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: They're all like, oh, you're just trying to show us up.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_04: You're just trying to show us up.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, I do this to make her happy.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_04: Do you not love your wife?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what are we doing here?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like, struggle, struggle to say.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: The difference is you ask him how to fix the roof, not to suck your wife's teeth.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's a clear distinction on what you need to be asking the wicker man.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Can you solve my problems for me?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_04: Bottle washer was in a panic.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, sh I mean, I mean, if I was bottle washer, I'd be like, hey, listen, like, you're gonna have to do that to me.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_04: Cause like I need to know what you're doing for real, for real.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_04: What is it?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_04: Is it the angles?
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_04: Is it the position?
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_04: Is it just because you got that?
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just know never once in my entire life on this earth have I had a woman respond to me that she the way she was responding to bottle washer.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if I ever saw that, it would immediately be, hey, what do I need to do?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do like, am I doing something?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do I need to are you okay?
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do I need to flip you over and toss that sound?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do I need to do?
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, talk to me here.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: Let's communicate.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: How do I make this something that works for you as much as it works for me?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was the same thing with like the baker's wife.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_04: She was like, he hasn't touched me.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, he doesn't like you, bro.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like, because how are you not touching your wife?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh maybe I'm not sure.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_04: You keep making children.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: How does he how does he not touch you?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: You have a bunch of kids.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, obviously, like they stopped making kids, and she he it just stopped.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: Every time I touch you, you pop out another child and it fucking sucks.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: Why keep touching you?
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know how much child support I'm paying right now?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, like look, I I get the point they were trying to make, but like that there was a lot of like one-sided commentary here.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, obviously.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of one-sided commentary here.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like I was just saying earlier, the answer to anything is not role reversal, it's fixing the underlying problem.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, for me, uh inserting myself into this film, yeah, I'd be the wicker guy.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, surprise, surprise.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_04: To be honest, I wish you took me by surprise.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: I I figured he would take the Fisher Woman from the Wicker Man, actually.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, but like I'm I'm going a different round with this.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh when she's like, Are you fucking every woman in town?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I am.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I am.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: I I came into existence.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: You've just been making me work.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm more than furniture.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a dildo either.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: And uh but you are a dildo, just not in that way.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm more than a good dildo, apparently.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I I I would show up, you know, I I experience this new life.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm seeing what's working for me.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: I like seeing that I'm not really being treated in ways that fulfill me eventually.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm gonna part ways, it's gonna be sad for a moment, like it sucks, and everything like that.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: But then I'm going to return to the dude who created me.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, it'll be it'll turn into Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: I am going to like, father, for what purpose have I been created?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: And uh was it simply was it simply to fuck Olivia Goldman?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: And um like I I'm going to Is it not going well?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Would you like a Prince Albert?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm going to make Wicker Maker uh's life hell.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, make me a bride.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I will I will force him to make me a bride as I track Peter Dinklage across the ice while he flees from me in terror.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, according to Peter Dinklage, like that was all your choice.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_04: He didn't do that, he just made you.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_04: That was your choice to love her.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: I came, and then I will say, you will not gaslight me, Father.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's full of shit with the way, with the way the the wicker woman tackle.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_02: I love you, I love you.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't fucking know him.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like no, he's capable of more than he lets on, and he created me just to serve fucking Olivia Coleman.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm it's gonna turn into like it's gonna open up in Wicker 2, where Peter Dinklage is taken onto an Arctic research vessel, and he tells the story of Ryan, the wicker man, who's been killing everything he loves, demanding that he makes him a wicker bride.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: And finally, when he does, it's obviously James.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's already been done.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't know that he didn't tell you that he did it.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: Finally, just tells you.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: I then go search down, passing back through the village where I meet Kadarius, and the three of us go off.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: Lashing some nobleman.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we go on to make a badass fucking podcast.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there you go.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we make a high and wicker, yeah.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I and wicker.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we go off and make an amazing podcast, and I find fulfillment in that, and uh that's what we do.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, well, there you have it, folks.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: You listen to it can't unlisten to it.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: So hi, I'm your host, Ryan Barron North.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: With me as always, James Crosslin, Kadarius.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, thank you all so much for listening.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: Congratulations, Wicker, on your very successful uh 3.5.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, we will see you next time.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_03: Later.