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UK Column News Podcast 11th December 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, eleventh of December of twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Colin News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Robinson joining me today by video link.
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Speaker 1: We have Vanessa Billy and Charles Mallett. Vanessa, let me
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Speaker 1: welcome you to the program first, and we'll get kicked
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Speaker 1: off with what is going on in Syria at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I think we've got to say straight up, we are,
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Speaker 1: for various reasons, going to be showing some pretty challenging
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Speaker 1: content today and with that it has just frozen and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it's coming back. So right, Charles,
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Speaker 1: I think we've got to move on to section two
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Speaker 1: and come back to this. So nope, it's Vanessa back.
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Speaker 1: Are you back with this? Vanessa? Yes, yeah, yes, sorry,
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Speaker 1: so you completely dropped out there, so let's start again.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry right.
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Speaker 3: Now for people to and that you know, the news
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Speaker 3: that you're now getting is effectively from the likes of BBC,
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Speaker 3: CNN and mainstream media that of course are again revising
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Speaker 3: the narrative, having to some degree lost control of the narrative.
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Speaker 3: Posts the Syrian victory against Western backed terrorist groups, the
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Speaker 3: country is now governed by ISIS and Alkalado elements, Turkish
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Speaker 3: proxy terrorist elements, and of course the only journalists allowed
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Speaker 3: in are the.
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Speaker 2: BBC and the CNN and all of that gagle.
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Speaker 3: So this was just a reminder that in twenty fourteen
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Speaker 3: these were the foreign fighters. The flow of foreign fighters
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Speaker 3: to Syria which is pretty impressive. It shows that they're
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Speaker 3: coming in from almost all over the world.
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Speaker 2: So when people talk.
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Speaker 3: About this as a Syrian civil war, that demonstrates that
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Speaker 3: that is basically an inaccurate analysis. The next photo is
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Speaker 3: of the arrival of the Turkmenistan Islamic Party Turkish proxies
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Speaker 3: that are entering were entering damasco Is a couple of
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Speaker 3: days ago, looking very sort of Ukrainian to me actually
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Speaker 3: in their uniforms. Of course, we know that Ukrainian intelligence
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Speaker 3: has been operating in northwest Syria in Idlab for some time,
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Speaker 3: training the terrorists in during technology, providing them with technology
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Speaker 3: and weapons that have been used against the Syrian Arab Army.
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Speaker 3: And just a very quick video of the Vegas arriving
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Speaker 3: in Latakia on the coastal area of Syria.
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Speaker 2: Woman some mon Ladomar.
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Speaker 4: Hasn't had a childhood, macin a lots of Aladam Missi.
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Speaker 1: And frozen again. Right, So we're clearly going to have
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Speaker 1: problems with the connection to where Vanessa is at the moment, Charles,
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Speaker 1: I wonder what we should do about this, because if
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Speaker 1: Vanessa does come back, we're sort of halfway through that report.
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Speaker 1: I don't see that we can really do anything else.
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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the question of the Conflict Stability
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Speaker 1: and Security Fund, and then we'll come back to Vanessa
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Speaker 1: if she comes back on.
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Speaker 4: Thanks Mike, and good afternoon all.
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Speaker 5: Yes, the Conflict Stability and Security Fund. For those who've
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Speaker 5: been aware of its existence over the years, you might
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Speaker 5: well have questioned the necessity for the comma between conflict
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Speaker 5: and stability, which might go out for the reason it
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Speaker 5: was rebranded as the Integrated Security Fund on none other
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Speaker 5: than the first of April of this year. Before we
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Speaker 5: get into the detail of the report that they've published
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Speaker 5: last week, we just have a refresher to exactly what
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Speaker 5: the organization is and where it sits, how it's funded,
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Speaker 5: and most importantly, of course, who controls it now. It
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Speaker 5: was established in twenty fifteen. It's described as having what's
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Speaker 5: called a whole government approach and therefore works across most,
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Speaker 5: if not all government department with a remit for dealing
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Speaker 5: with what's called conflict and instability, or at least a
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Speaker 5: remit to resolve that and develop resilience via its various budgets,
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Speaker 5: partly the Official Development Budget, the ODA and non ODA funds,
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Speaker 5: the set, the latter being used for some of the
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Speaker 5: more emergency responses via their Rapid Reaction Mechanism the RRM,
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Speaker 5: and they both of the examples of the novichoc or
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Speaker 5: supposedly novenchock poisonings in Salisbury, the COVID repatriation, whatever exactly
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Speaker 5: that's supposed to have meant, and indeed dealing with refugees
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Speaker 5: from Ukraine. Now it sits under the Joint Funds Unit,
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Speaker 5: which forms part of the Office, and that puts one
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Speaker 5: in mind of the video that Brian showed on the
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Speaker 5: news a few days ago of Dominic Cummings speaking and
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Speaker 5: essentially describing the choreography that makes Cabinet meetings botany and
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Speaker 5: completely pointless in so far as they have any meaningful
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Speaker 5: input from members of the Cabinet. But it's run on
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Speaker 5: a day to day basis by the Deputy National Security advisor,
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Speaker 5: who is Dame Sarah McIntosh, and of course she has
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Speaker 5: exactly the right pedigree to do so, because she's been
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Speaker 5: not only an ambassador and permanent representative to NATO, but
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Speaker 5: also she has been posted to the United Nations in
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Speaker 5: New York. She's worked in the Defense and Security arena
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Speaker 5: for some time, and indeed has spent time in the
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Speaker 5: Atomic Energy Agency, so she has exactly the right know
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Speaker 5: how to be able to deliver the right level of suspicion, division, fear,
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Speaker 5: and indeed persecution that may be derived from this organization
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Speaker 5: merely to target those who are choosing to express themselves
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Speaker 5: in a way that is different from the narrative version
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Speaker 5: of life now pertinent to a segment Mike's going to
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Speaker 5: be doing later in the news. The oversight for funding
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Speaker 5: comes to the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, which
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Speaker 5: is Pat McFadden. And essentially this is an organization without
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Speaker 5: real scrutiny, any checks and balances, or transparency. But to
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Speaker 5: go to the report itself, they claim to have spent
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Speaker 5: wisely in the region of eight hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 5: pounds across eighty five countries dealing with resilience and security
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Speaker 5: overseas and countering state threats and even serious and organized crime,
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Speaker 5: and interestingly now at development in that women peace and
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Speaker 5: security form part of the remit. They talk about the
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Speaker 5: gender specific impacts of conflict, which of course is something
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Speaker 5: that Mike has talked about a lot recently with regard
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Speaker 5: to Barbara Woodward's comments. But all this comes back to
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Speaker 5: the buzzword of interconnectness and the suggestion all of this
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Speaker 5: is in effect very much linked and therefore they are
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Speaker 5: in some way responsible for it. But we go on
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Speaker 5: to look at a particular part of the report which forms,
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Speaker 5: certainly for the UK column audience, the meat of it,
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Speaker 5: which is really the counter disinformation part. And this extends
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Speaker 5: the narrative that we've been concentrating on in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 5: going back to the report by Lord Walney and the
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Speaker 5: categorization of almost anybody as an extremist for one reason
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Speaker 5: or another. So they are there to establish what they
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Speaker 5: call the Information Threats and Influence Portfolio, which is referred
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Speaker 5: to in this slide as a budget of seventeen million pounds,
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Speaker 5: but it's not really specifically clear exactly what it does do.
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Speaker 5: The other thing they boast of is having used by
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Speaker 5: funding BBC Media Action to work with journalists in the
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Speaker 5: Solomon Islands, and as we're accustomed to learning, this is
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Speaker 5: effective to influence the outcome via the use of BBC
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Speaker 5: Media Action in order that the United Kingdom's view of
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Speaker 5: the world prevails in whichever part it seeks to exert
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Speaker 5: its influence. And they also boast very much in this
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Speaker 5: report about the ability to manipulate various European countries in
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Speaker 5: their view of Russia and therefore to counter any support
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Speaker 5: that might have sprung up for Russia in those countries.
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Speaker 5: And in fact, also through the means of education, they
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Speaker 5: now run a diploma through a strategic communications course supposedly
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Speaker 5: enabling leadership in order to deal with the ever present
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Speaker 5: threat of what they call disinformation. And then on language,
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Speaker 5: we've had interconnectedness, and the other one that's been used
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Speaker 5: a lot now in various government communicats is like minded
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Speaker 5: partners operating with like minded partners. And this sort of
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Speaker 5: double speak forms very much part of the fabric of
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Speaker 5: this report. But essentially what drops out of it really
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Speaker 5: is that it does suggest a murky and unaccountable body
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Speaker 5: that is controlled with seemingly a great degree of power
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Speaker 5: from the Cabinet Office, and it's able to have obviously
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Speaker 5: a great effect outside of the UK. I think the
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Speaker 5: question now is to what extent is it going to
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Speaker 5: turn its focus on people within the United Kingdom under
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Speaker 5: the suggestion that people are involved in disinformation or indeed
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Speaker 5: extremism or terrorism.
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Speaker 1: Well that's a very good question, Charles. Of course we
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Speaker 1: should not forget that the seventy seven Brigid already turned
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Speaker 1: on people within the United Kingdom during the COVID so
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Speaker 1: called pandemic, and so this government has already demonstrated that
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Speaker 1: is prepared to do exactly that. Please to say, Vanessa
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Speaker 1: is back with us, and hopefully we'll stay back with
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Speaker 1: us now for the remainder of this. But Vanessa Conflict
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Speaker 1: Security before you come back onto your main report. Conflict
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Speaker 1: Security Instability Fund money, huge quantities of it going into
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Speaker 1: Syria over the years, not least to the White Helmets,
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Speaker 1: with another three hundred thousand quid going to them last week,
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Speaker 1: and none of that ever properly accounted for.
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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, And part of this report will demonstrate
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Speaker 3: exactly the entities to whom that money is being gifted.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the collaborationists with the white helmets. So this
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Speaker 3: is the Passport and Immigration office on fire and Damascus,
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Speaker 3: Damascus is on fire all over the place. Shrines, Christian
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Speaker 3: churches are being deseparated and hooted. Assassinations are ongoing of
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Speaker 3: Syrian scientists, of religious leaders, none of which, of course,
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Speaker 3: is being reported by Liice Dussac, who's describing what is
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Speaker 3: it the enthusiasm of the rebels in their victory.
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Speaker 2: Further, and of course Syrian revolutionary as well Israel as
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Speaker 2: vades they claim, have I rosen again?
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Speaker 3: No, keep going, okay, sorry about this, And of course
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Speaker 3: you know we can't forget that Abu Muhammadlani had its
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Speaker 3: origins ina in Isis then formed mister front Alkaeda in
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Speaker 3: Syria and has committed multiple crimes against humanity. Himself is
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Speaker 3: now laudered as the new president of the new Syria.
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Speaker 3: Has not been elected, of course, has just been has
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Speaker 3: has just been imposed through a coup de tar. So
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Speaker 3: I just wanted to play first of all, some of
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Speaker 3: the reactions from particularly the BBC, but also from the British.
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Speaker 2: Oh God, I'm sorry, I'm going to mix that up here.
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Speaker 3: At least do that entering Syria obviously very happy that
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Speaker 3: people are able to go back to Syria. Of course,
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Speaker 3: many of those are going to be extremist factions that
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Speaker 3: have left Syria when the country was liberated from the
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Speaker 3: so called rebels at least do set trumpeted for for
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Speaker 3: many years. And let's have a look at some of
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Speaker 3: the responses on her tweet. Well, here it's obviously a
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Speaker 3: supporter of the armed groups inside Syria.
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Speaker 2: What I call this objective reporting potentially not.
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Speaker 3: And if we look at the next repost by Lisee
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Speaker 3: d Set, what a moment after five decades, the a
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Speaker 3: Sad dynasty ends in Syria. Again, really not the objective
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Speaker 3: impartial reporting that we're constantly told the BBC is performing.
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Speaker 3: And then let's just have a look at what David
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Speaker 3: Lammy said yesterday.
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Speaker 6: That's that as a criminal who defied all laws and
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Speaker 6: laws to use mical weapons against the Syrian people, we
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Speaker 6: said no because Asad is a butcher with the blood
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Speaker 6: of countless innocence on his hands. And we said no
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Speaker 6: because Asad was a drug dealer, funding his regime through
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Speaker 6: Captagan and ILICID finance. And we said no because he
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Speaker 6: was never ever going to change. There were those who
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Speaker 6: used to call Asad the lion of Damascus. Now we
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Speaker 6: see the reality. Asad is the rat of Damascus fleeing
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Speaker 6: to Moscow with his tail between his legs. How fitted
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Speaker 6: he should end up there.
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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, But obviously it was the
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Speaker 1: rebels that were high on Captagin the whole time.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, you know, he's just come out with
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Speaker 3: an absolute litany of the same old propaganda tropes that
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Speaker 3: we used to vilify Asad and the.
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Speaker 2: Serian government and the Allies.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think my opinion on Mummy is very clear.
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Speaker 3: But let's have a look at Ellily Thornbury and what
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Speaker 3: she's waxing lyrical about on the BBC Newsnight.
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Speaker 8: Half a million people have died. The suffering in Syria
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Speaker 8: is unlike the suffering in any other country, and we
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Speaker 8: are at the very beginning of post a Sad period.
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Speaker 8: The worry has always been not I mean, you know,
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Speaker 8: obviously we celebrate the end of this murderous regime, but
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Speaker 8: the worry has always been what will come next.
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Speaker 2: I've been quite extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: Britain was one of the primary funders of the destabilization
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Speaker 3: through the conflicts when the Security Fund of course and
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Speaker 3: absolutely the honey tones of Emily Thornbury in the full
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Speaker 3: knowledge that Britain is responsible for much as of.
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Speaker 2: What is going to come after.
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Speaker 3: So let's have a look at Christyle being interviewed by
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Speaker 3: List two SAT. He's from the Council for Arab and
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Speaker 3: British Understanding, so let's have a look at what he
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Speaker 3: has to say about the situation.
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Speaker 8: Who you set these first steps are trying to achieve
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Speaker 8: stability in Syriaity.
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Speaker 9: Well, it started in a very positive light because you
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Speaker 9: saw the demise of the Assad family the regime in
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Speaker 9: a fairly bloodless fashion. So that gives a new and
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Speaker 9: hopeful start for Syrians and a new transition. But against that,
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Speaker 9: it is really important that we move as quickly as
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Speaker 9: possible to a transitional administration that is really inclusive of
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Speaker 9: all different components of Syrian society.
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Speaker 2: Now I underline that really inclusive.
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Speaker 3: The government has actually now been announced, so it's entirely Islamist.
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Speaker 3: There are absolutely no representation from any of the minorities
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Speaker 3: inside Syrias, so it's.
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Speaker 2: Far from inclusive.
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Speaker 3: Now, the following videos are going to be distressing, but
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Speaker 3: it's very important on the basis of what we've just
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Speaker 3: heard from these funders, armors and backers of the terrorist
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Speaker 3: groups that are now committing sectarian massacres pretty much across Syria.
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Speaker 2: So the first is not quite as bad as the others.
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Speaker 3: This is in Home's a very short video, but I
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Speaker 3: just want to point out what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: We can just play this.
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Speaker 4: For no.
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Speaker 3: Nusei is a sort of a derogatory term in a
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Speaker 3: way for Alo White, the Alo.
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Speaker 2: White sect, which of course was the sect to.
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Speaker 3: Which President has said, this is in homes and he's
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Speaker 3: talking about cleansing that particular village and homes of Alo Whites.
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Speaker 3: And then let's have a look at man Beag Hospital.
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Speaker 3: Manbage is northern here and these are Turkish proxies entering
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Speaker 3: military hospital in Manbridge.
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Speaker 2: No, no, what about it?
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Speaker 3: You basically asked them if they are so they are
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Speaker 3: injured Syrian army soldiers.
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Speaker 2: They are executed on the spot. It's like they're awful
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Speaker 2: injuries that you can see in the video.
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Speaker 3: Following as I think in the taka, and this is
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Speaker 3: a again an.
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Speaker 2: Italan all whites.
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Speaker 3: Should There are dozens of things, but this is the
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Speaker 3: final one.
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Speaker 2: Again. This is in Atakia. This is h Y again
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Speaker 2: and an execution.
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Speaker 1: Of and again, you know, it's absolutely tragic to show
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Speaker 1: these videos. You're not going to see these on the
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Speaker 1: BBC and we're going to say to everybody, we're sorry
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Speaker 1: we have to show these, but it is really important
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Speaker 1: for Essa that we get the point across. These are
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Speaker 1: the people that we have been funding, arming and supporting
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Speaker 1: for the last since twenty eleven, probably before. But these
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Speaker 1: are the people that are going to be forming the
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Speaker 1: next government.
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Speaker 2: Effectively, yeah, they're in the government that is formed. And
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Speaker 2: these people like bluesh.
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Speaker 3: And Joe Lanni Aler, leader of Jaish Ali Islam, one
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Speaker 3: of the most brutal terrorist groups inside Syria, working very
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Speaker 3: closely with the White Helmets, and the pr was provided
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Speaker 3: by the British government through the Conflict Ability and Security Fund.
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Speaker 2: Now, in the I.
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Speaker 3: Think the second last video, I just did a free
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Speaker 3: swing there you can see the ISIS purchase and actually
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Speaker 3: the ISIS flags are now being flown clearly in Lataki
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Speaker 3: as the terrorist groups enter and as I said, there
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Speaker 3: are mass exterminations going on right now, and this is
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Speaker 3: presumably how Britain and the other sponsors of the regime
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Speaker 3: change were in this current coup d'eta Belia heel Syria.
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Speaker 3: This is Steve Sweeney r TV journalist in London, and
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Speaker 3: he's been speaking to people that have fled and ribing
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Speaker 3: horrific scenes and promps tero groups hunting down former soldiers
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Speaker 3: and members of the Shia community.
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Speaker 2: So not Alawite, this is sheer.
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Speaker 3: Slitting throats and beheading people, all of which is being
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Speaker 3: sanitized or ignored by Western media organizations and others who
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Speaker 3: are accused of act as a peer.
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Speaker 2: He are on HTS and in fact.
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Speaker 3: Yes yesterday they were reported executions and in the center
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Speaker 3: of Damascus and all of the Kausa prison were released
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Speaker 3: on the spot, just of course as they have been
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Speaker 3: across uh Syria, and even which again has been triggered
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Speaker 3: and released by the United States or executing soldiers in
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Speaker 3: the areas that they dominate, over fifty members of the
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Speaker 3: opposition via media outlet of Arab army in the Alsuna
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Speaker 3: area which is to the east of Poms So now
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Speaker 3: is an absolute pogram in Syria, bind with mass bombing
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Speaker 3: by Israel, which I'll come on to in my second report,
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Speaker 3: which also is barely being covered by the media outlets
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Speaker 3: that are on the ground alongside HGS because to give
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Speaker 3: you an I can't go into Syria because you know
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Speaker 3: I would be I would probably have my head chopped off.
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Speaker 3: A lease do Sat was the first one in so
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Speaker 3: I think you know an indication of how this worked.
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, so thank you very much for that, Vanessa
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Speaker 1: and I. Last night you and I recorded the second
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Speaker 1: part of the Syria podcast that is not up on
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Speaker 1: the UK column website. Please listen to this because Vanessa
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Speaker 1: tics us through what's happened in the past week and
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Speaker 1: particularly what had to be done in order for her
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Speaker 1: to leave that country. So thank you for that. Now
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Speaker 1: let's just quickly move back through the conflict, security, stability
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Speaker 1: fun stuff and come to this because the British government
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Speaker 1: has announced, of course, as we all know that kir
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Speaker 1: Starmer has a plan for change. It's got six points
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Speaker 1: to it, and we're all very excited and enthused by that.
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Speaker 1: My question is what kind of change are we going
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Speaker 1: to be looking at? So Charles already mentioned Pat McFadden,
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Speaker 1: the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. He was describing
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Speaker 1: his part of this plan for change yesterday and he
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Speaker 1: was saying that the state is going to become more
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Speaker 1: like a startup. So one hundred million pound fund, we'll
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Speaker 1: see teams use test and learn culture, pioneered by digital
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Speaker 1: companies to tackle some of the public of the public
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Speaker 1: sector's biggest challenges. They said. So he was warning yesterday,
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Speaker 1: if we keep governing as usual, we're not going to
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Speaker 1: achieve what we want to achieve. This was at of
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Speaker 1: a speech he was given at University College in London's
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Speaker 1: East Campford East campus. And so they're going to have
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Speaker 1: crack teams of problem solvers. It's really fantastic stuff. Let's
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Speaker 1: see what he said. Test that fixed the problems, change
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Speaker 1: the design, tested again, tweak it again, and so on
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Speaker 1: and so on. For as long as you provide the service.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly the most important question isn't how do we get
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Speaker 1: this right the first time, it's how do we make
23:57
Speaker 1: this better by next Friday? And he said that's the
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Speaker 1: test and learn mindset. I'm keen to see where we
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Speaker 1: can deploy it in government, where we can make the
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Speaker 1: state a little bit more like a startup. And this Charles,
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Speaker 1: this seemed to be ringing bells for me because actually,
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Speaker 1: if we only go back a couple of years, we
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Speaker 1: see headlines like this. If we can get it on screen.
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Speaker 1: So can Dominic Cummings really run Britain like a startup?
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Speaker 1: This isn't change. This is a continuation of policy that
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Speaker 1: we've seen for the last several years being talked about.
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Speaker 1: And okay, Cummings himself lost the infight, the political infight
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Speaker 1: between him and Boris Johnson's other team. But you know this,
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28:27
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28:41
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28:44
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28:49
Speaker 1: source of this. Well, on that theme, I want to
28:53
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29:00
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29:06
Speaker 1: me and the government absolutely wanting to minimize the amount
29:11
Speaker 1: of sharing that goes on of any kind of any
29:14
Speaker 1: kind of narrative. But Vanessa, I don't know if you've
29:17
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29:24
Speaker 1: the think twice before sharing, because many, many people sharing
29:28
Speaker 1: lots of content without thinking about it or even actually
29:31
Speaker 1: looking at it. And I shared I posted something on
29:34
Speaker 1: Twitter yesterday which has been shared quite a number of times,
29:38
Speaker 1: but actually the content hasn't been looked at anywhere near
29:42
Speaker 1: the same number of times. And this is something we've
29:44
Speaker 1: got to really encourage people to do, to share material
29:48
Speaker 1: having thought about it and maybe made a decision about
29:51
Speaker 1: whether it's valuable enough to be shared.
29:55
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, absolutely, And I think also just taking a
29:59
Speaker 3: deep breath before you share something really in century because
30:06
Speaker 3: very potential that it's either manufactured news or it's not
30:11
Speaker 3: being properly presented. And I've found that on a number
30:15
Speaker 3: of occasions since it had left Syria, there's been a
30:20
Speaker 3: number of flighteometry posts being put out on it palpably untrue.
30:28
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, thank you for that. Now, Charles, let's come
30:31
Speaker 1: on to well what are we talking about here? Defense?
30:34
Speaker 5: Terror the link such as it is, I would say,
30:40
Speaker 5: between the defense industry and the suggestion of terrorism. This
30:45
Speaker 5: goes back to late November when John Healey, the Defense Secretary,
30:47
Speaker 5: announced that the Watchkeeper drone program would be coming to
30:51
Speaker 5: an end after fourteen years. Of course, it was effectively
30:56
Speaker 5: prefixed with the what's being seen in Ukraine, which is
31:00
Speaker 5: the suggestion that an iteration of a generation of drone
31:04
Speaker 5: would go for about two to three months, and as
31:06
Speaker 5: I say, you know, fourteen years this is clearly not
31:09
Speaker 5: considered to be up to the mark. It did prompt
31:11
Speaker 5: a question in the House of Lords about whether or
31:14
Speaker 5: not these retired drones here would be given to Ukraine's
31:18
Speaker 5: in an odd question, bearing in mind, as I say,
31:20
Speaker 5: the suggestion that Ukrainian drones were not even surviving in
31:26
Speaker 5: their sort of new capability. But nonetheless that withdrawal of
31:33
Speaker 5: the Watchkeeper has meant that the contract with Albit Defense Systems,
31:38
Speaker 5: very big Israeli based firm, has come to an end.
31:43
Speaker 5: And this prompted the Morning Start put out the headline
31:46
Speaker 5: campaigners welcome the beginning of the end of Elbit System's
31:49
Speaker 5: presence in Britain, and I think that might be putting
31:52
Speaker 5: the cart somewhat before the horse. But the campaigners in
31:56
Speaker 5: question are Palestine Action, the website declaring shut elbit down,
32:02
Speaker 5: shut it down, and through a series of direct actions
32:06
Speaker 5: against the various sites that albert do have in this country.
32:10
Speaker 5: They've been very active, especially at the Filton plant in
32:15
Speaker 5: South Gloucestershire. And this is notable because there were already
32:20
Speaker 5: ten people held on remand for charges against them in
32:25
Speaker 5: relation to activities at Filton, and the Crown Prosecution Service
32:28
Speaker 5: have recently announced that there are another eight people in
32:32
Speaker 5: line for similar treatment. The statement or part of the
32:36
Speaker 5: statement here from the CPS saying they've authorized counter Terrorism
32:39
Speaker 5: Policing Southeast to charge eight people over their alleged involvement
32:43
Speaker 5: in an aggravated burglary with criminal damage and violent disorder
32:46
Speaker 5: and as it is very obvious that there is in
32:49
Speaker 5: fact no terrorist offense either suggested or alleged there and
32:54
Speaker 5: yet CPS will be submitting to the court that these
32:58
Speaker 5: offensive offenses have a terrorist connection.
33:00
Speaker 4: Now this is significant for a number of reasons.
33:02
Speaker 5: First of all, this is because only in twenty twenty
33:06
Speaker 5: did the Sentencing Act, via Section sixty nine, permit one
33:10
Speaker 5: to make the link a terrorist connection via other offenses
33:15
Speaker 5: in order to suggest that there should be in effect
33:17
Speaker 5: a higher sanction and a different means of treating those individuals.
33:21
Speaker 5: And this is particular to Section one of the Terrorism
33:24
Speaker 5: Act two thousand and of course the significant parts of
33:28
Speaker 5: that are the threat or use of action to influence government.
33:35
Speaker 5: There are of course other conditions, and the other part
33:39
Speaker 5: of it being to advance an ideological cause. Now there's
33:42
Speaker 5: no suggestion that violence need to form either part of this,
33:45
Speaker 5: and has discussed many times on UK column before the
33:47
Speaker 5: behavior of the British government does indeed satisfy most of
33:50
Speaker 5: the conditions set out in Section one of the Terrorism Act.
33:54
Speaker 5: But the one I want to draw your attention to
33:56
Speaker 5: today is sub section five of Section one of the
33:59
Speaker 5: Terrorism Acts, which refers to action taken for the benefit
34:03
Speaker 5: of a prescribed organization, in this case Hamas. So it
34:07
Speaker 5: looks very much like legislation is being wielded in such
34:11
Speaker 5: a way as to describe the hampering of an Israeli
34:15
Speaker 5: defense company and therefore limiting their capability militarily and economically,
34:20
Speaker 5: as being to the benefit of a prescribed organization in
34:24
Speaker 5: this case Hamas, which is an extraordinary leap to take
34:28
Speaker 5: and very much suggestive of state architecture that is operating
34:32
Speaker 5: absolutely in totalitarian fashion. The conditions imposed upon those who've
34:37
Speaker 5: been arrested, very long period of remand with the trial
34:40
Speaker 5: not set till well into next year, reinforces this. And
34:44
Speaker 5: we're just going to listen to the words of the
34:47
Speaker 5: mother of one of them, who spoke to Declassified UK recently.
34:53
Speaker 7: Still, however, we have seen the justice system has been
35:01
Speaker 7: quite harsh and we've recently seen judges denied them this defense.
35:06
Speaker 7: Therefore making them out to be regular criminals rather than
35:09
Speaker 7: people of conscience. Is then they cannot argue that they
35:13
Speaker 7: took action to try and stop a genocide. And this
35:16
Speaker 7: is all very very concerning. The UK is allowing an
35:22
Speaker 7: Israeli weapons company in UK to sell arms to an
35:26
Speaker 7: internationally recognized war criminal to commit a genocide, and they
35:30
Speaker 7: would rather side with a genocideal Israeli weapons company than
35:34
Speaker 7: with people trying to stop a genocide.
35:40
Speaker 5: Not really much needs adding to her word. She's the
35:43
Speaker 5: mother of Fatima Zai. Now but Rajwani, who is a
35:47
Speaker 5: very young member of the eighteen that have been arrested,
35:50
Speaker 5: and of course, as she articulates, the British government have
35:53
Speaker 5: effectively doubled down. Now, the reason this is relevant is
35:56
Speaker 5: that whilst I began by saying that albert is losing
35:59
Speaker 5: a contract that's probably worth around two billion pounds, they
36:02
Speaker 5: are actually picking up others. And of course there are
36:04
Speaker 5: many that are still in play. So the Role Navy,
36:06
Speaker 5: for example, has a thirteen year contract with their electronic
36:10
Speaker 5: warfare capability that is held by l BIT, so that
36:15
Speaker 5: the suggestion that there is any possibility of separating from
36:19
Speaker 5: them is of course fanciful. And indeed, yesterday one hundred
36:22
Speaker 5: and seventy five million pound contract was signed with NATO
36:26
Speaker 5: countries again on the electronic warfare capability. So there are
36:31
Speaker 5: ways in which the Israeli state, via their defense companies
36:34
Speaker 5: of course we've spoken about Raphael quite a lot in
36:36
Speaker 5: the past as well, are able to control large parts
36:41
Speaker 5: of the platforms of all three services of the British
36:44
Speaker 5: Armed Forces, which I would say is not only alarming,
36:47
Speaker 5: but also put to the UK in a position of
36:50
Speaker 5: one having to ask, well, is it really at all
36:53
Speaker 5: feasible that the United Kingdom would be able to do
36:55
Speaker 5: anything other than follow Israel's lead militarily? And I think
36:59
Speaker 5: this is a question I'd i'd like to, you know,
37:01
Speaker 5: if the connection permits, if Vanessa has a view on that,
37:04
Speaker 5: you know, with the way that this is one and
37:07
Speaker 5: particularly the sort of the leveraging of terrorism legislation, well, I.
37:13
Speaker 3: Mean, I find it extraordinary that they are protesting genocide
37:17
Speaker 3: and taking direct action against genocide, are being effectively a
37:24
Speaker 3: terrorist corner because they perceived to be supporting as which
37:30
Speaker 3: is a prescribed terrorist actor in the UK, while its
37:36
Speaker 3: threat to UK national security and time, the UK is
37:41
Speaker 3: funding the terrorist groups that we've just watched in Syria
37:45
Speaker 3: decapitating and massacring people. We have no idea what is
37:51
Speaker 3: the identity of those people they surrender clearly not armed.
37:55
Speaker 2: This is not a military situation. They're unarmed. They are
37:59
Speaker 2: multiple a little bit of these terrorists that come under
38:02
Speaker 2: the umbrella of.
38:05
Speaker 3: Which, as far as I know, are also prescribed terrorists
38:09
Speaker 3: in the UK.
38:11
Speaker 2: And yet that's okay.
38:13
Speaker 3: So the level of hypocrisy that we're now living in
38:17
Speaker 3: is just horrific.
38:20
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
38:24
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, I mean, really nothing throughout hypocrisy is exactly
38:28
Speaker 5: at the core of all of this.
38:29
Speaker 4: It really is.
38:30
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank you, Charles. Vanessa. Look, I'm just going
38:34
Speaker 1: to move on to crowd control. But while I'm doing that,
38:36
Speaker 1: why don't you just try reconnecting and see if we
38:39
Speaker 1: can clean up the audio just a little bit. So
38:42
Speaker 1: let's let's try that. Okay, let's let's move on to
38:45
Speaker 1: this then, because the Cabinet Office in June twenty twenty.
38:48
Speaker 1: In June two thousand and nine published this article or
38:52
Speaker 1: this document understanding crowd behaviors and then we're looking at
38:56
Speaker 1: how the crid's behave in emergencies situations. And this is
39:01
Speaker 1: from the Emergency Planning Colleague College along with the University
39:05
Speaker 1: of Leeds and the Emergency Yeah, and the emergency planning
39:08
Speaker 1: colleges have just said, now this has just take us slight.
39:13
Speaker 1: A short quote from this was to produce this set
39:16
Speaker 1: of professional guidelines for emergency planners and responders, specifying reasonable
39:20
Speaker 1: assumptions which can be made with regard to crowd behaviors
39:23
Speaker 1: in normal and emergency situations, against which current assumptions can
39:27
Speaker 1: be tested, and with which future planning can be informed.
39:31
Speaker 1: So that was two thousand and nine. We jumped forward
39:33
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four and DSTL has published this kiss
39:38
Speaker 1: study how crowds react in an emergency or terrorist attack.
39:42
Speaker 1: And they say here the contrary to public to popular belief,
39:45
Speaker 1: the Defense Science and Technology Laboratories research shows that crowds
39:49
Speaker 1: actually behave in a cooperative and orderly manner during an
39:53
Speaker 1: emergency such as terror attack. Well, okay, that's fine, But
39:56
Speaker 1: this was a six year study. It was run by
40:00
Speaker 1: DSTL behavioral scientists. It was analyzing CCTV footage data from
40:06
Speaker 1: trials and simulations of emergency scenarios and as part of
40:10
Speaker 1: the research, DSTL developed the first of its kind behavioral
40:14
Speaker 1: matrix to represent and categorize behaviors in terms of their
40:18
Speaker 1: likelihood of being displayed during an emergency. This work was
40:22
Speaker 1: generated sorry, has generated a great deal of interests across
40:26
Speaker 1: government industry in academia, with the research being used to
40:30
Speaker 1: inform the development of computational models, because everything is done
40:34
Speaker 1: with computational models these days, and that that represent emergency scenarios. Now,
40:39
Speaker 1: looking for a bit of background to this, I came
40:41
Speaker 1: across this from Queen's University, Belfast Center for Secure Information
40:46
Speaker 1: Technologies entitled DSTL Video based Semantic Analysis of Crowd Behavior
40:51
Speaker 1: and this was in collaboration with BAE Systems and they
40:55
Speaker 1: were looking at delivering a generic automated video based for
41:00
Speaker 1: semantically analyzing behavior normal and unusual in both static and
41:04
Speaker 1: dynamic crowds such as sports stadiums and railway stations, respectively.
41:09
Speaker 1: The use of intelligent video and analytics technology provides enhanced
41:13
Speaker 1: situational awareness to analysts in a safety control room slash
41:17
Speaker 1: security operations center, enabling staff to make timely decisions in
41:21
Speaker 1: the event of violent disorder. Stampages are terrorist attacks in
41:25
Speaker 1: public spaces. Now, I don't know whether this particular research
41:28
Speaker 1: if we just put that back on screen again, I'm
41:30
Speaker 1: going to zoom in on this a little bit. Well,
41:32
Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether this particular research was part of
41:34
Speaker 1: the DSTL research if I asked the DSTL for comment
41:37
Speaker 1: on it, but they haven't come back to me yet
41:40
Speaker 1: on it. But you'll see that they're talking about having
41:43
Speaker 1: multiple cameras and re identifying people in crowds as we go,
41:49
Speaker 1: and so, Charles, I don't know if you've got any
41:51
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, but you know, why would the government
41:55
Speaker 1: be so interested in analyzing behavior in crowds under these circumstances.
42:03
Speaker 5: So there's a question that I have to admit that
42:05
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have an answer to that's going to be
42:08
Speaker 5: any more than a guest. But I mean the well,
42:11
Speaker 5: like you talked about earlier in the news, I mean,
42:12
Speaker 5: the surveillance of human behavior across the piece now is
42:16
Speaker 5: just being stepped up all the time in an awful
42:18
Speaker 5: lot of it, of course, is voluntarily, and that we
42:20
Speaker 5: have willingly submitted ourselves to it by taking on devices,
42:24
Speaker 5: you know, all sorts of either now medical wearables or
42:27
Speaker 5: fitness things, or mobile telephones. And this coupled with the
42:32
Speaker 5: sorts of facial recognition technology.
42:35
Speaker 4: And did you know we talk.
42:36
Speaker 5: About companies like dark Trace who are analyzing behavior to
42:39
Speaker 5: the point where they think they can predict it.
42:41
Speaker 4: And this seems to sort of.
42:42
Speaker 5: Fall within that, you know, underneath that umbrella of just
42:46
Speaker 5: trying to understand all aspects of human behavior in order
42:50
Speaker 5: to be able to predict something fundamentally to control it
42:53
Speaker 5: and ensure that as a population we are not going
42:57
Speaker 5: to do anything to be able to destabilize the state.
43:00
Speaker 1: Indeed, okay, let's come back on to Syria then, and
43:04
Speaker 1: I want to start off with this BBC article Syria
43:07
Speaker 1: in maps, who controls the country now that the SAD
43:10
Speaker 1: has gone and Venison and I were talking about this
43:13
Speaker 1: in the Syria podcast that we recorded last night. Say
43:16
Speaker 1: it's up on the website now if you want to
43:18
Speaker 1: go and have a look at it. But I wanted
43:19
Speaker 1: to focus particularly on this particular map that they provided,
43:24
Speaker 1: and this is from the Institute for the Study of War.
43:28
Speaker 1: It's the source of this, and it's talking about who
43:31
Speaker 1: controls what territory in Syria. And as you can see,
43:34
Speaker 1: the dark red area from Aleppo down to habit and
43:37
Speaker 1: homes and Damascus that is controlled by HTS. The purple
43:44
Speaker 1: areas to the top right are Kurdish lead forces. The
43:49
Speaker 1: darker purple area in the middle there between the purple
43:52
Speaker 1: and the yellow is the contested area where there's more
43:54
Speaker 1: fighting going on between the Kurdish forces and the Turkish
43:59
Speaker 1: BacT called Syrian rebels. And then we've got the hatched area,
44:03
Speaker 1: which is everything else really except for a couple of bits.
44:07
Speaker 1: We'll talk about a second which is previously held by
44:10
Speaker 1: the Syrian government. And well, the HTS is now headed
44:15
Speaker 1: out towards de Resor and so on, so the HTS
44:18
Speaker 1: expanding this map is now out of date. But I
44:21
Speaker 1: wanted to focus on well, first of all the us
44:23
Speaker 1: I post that is Altanaf that Vanessa has talked about
44:26
Speaker 1: many times, and the orange section there which the BBC
44:31
Speaker 1: defines as unidentified opposition groups. Well, as we talked about
44:35
Speaker 1: last night on the Syria Podcast, that is probably Isis.
44:40
Speaker 1: But then down in the southwest round Dara and Swedter,
44:43
Speaker 1: we have another orange area which is defined as unidentified
44:47
Speaker 1: opposition groups, and well, Vanessa, that is Israel. And of
44:52
Speaker 1: course they are also expanding their territorial grab since since
44:58
Speaker 1: this has all happened, So Israel up to.
45:03
Speaker 3: Of course, yes, entire serves Israel first and foremost Turkey
45:09
Speaker 3: also of course, but the two are working in clear collaboration.
45:13
Speaker 3: This again is from the Syrian Observatory Human Rights since
45:17
Speaker 3: the toppling of the dictator.
45:20
Speaker 2: Actually, I would say we're up to more.
45:21
Speaker 3: Than four hundred Israeli airstoids now destroy the remaining weapons
45:26
Speaker 3: of any future Syria, and that's pretty much across the country.
45:31
Speaker 3: And I thought this was an troma Yemeni journalist on
45:36
Speaker 3: X I think yesterday.
45:37
Speaker 2: He actually put the two flags together.
45:40
Speaker 3: Of course, the Syrian Arab Republic flag next to what
45:44
Speaker 3: is known as the Free Soviet Syrian Army flag or
45:47
Speaker 3: the revolution flash private there was a red line that
45:51
Speaker 3: Israel was afraid to cross and suddenly became a green
45:54
Speaker 3: light for his trail to do.
45:56
Speaker 2: Whatever in Syria. And let's have a look.
45:58
Speaker 3: At of course swolls of Netanyahu were. This was actually
46:03
Speaker 3: that I did with new rules Duria politics, occupy southern Syria.
46:09
Speaker 3: So that's what we were talking about, that entire southern
46:12
Speaker 3: kind of buffer zone from Swatda to Dara to Kunatra.
46:17
Speaker 3: Destroy Syria's weapon Arsenal's military infrastructure and research facilities, and
46:24
Speaker 3: celebrate the destabilization of.
46:26
Speaker 2: Long time Hasbola supplies.
46:29
Speaker 3: Of course, perhaps they're destroying in destroying all of the
46:32
Speaker 3: borders and the roads and crossings. Now this gives a
46:36
Speaker 3: better idea. I mean, this was a map that I've
46:38
Speaker 3: kind of added to.
46:39
Speaker 2: These are the.
46:40
Speaker 3: Extent or this is the extent to which Israel has
46:44
Speaker 3: been a bombing serials. Because of the withdrawal of the enforces,
46:48
Speaker 3: there's absolutely no air. From the night before I left,
46:54
Speaker 3: they were using buster bombs very close to where I
46:58
Speaker 3: lived because there's a number of defense installations around me,
47:03
Speaker 3: and I have to say all of the houses were
47:05
Speaker 3: shaking in my area, across all of Syria. I think
47:10
Speaker 3: there were more than three hundred strikes across the country,
47:13
Speaker 3: including the ports of Latakia and Tartus in the northeast.
47:18
Speaker 2: Include strikes by the US as well and.
47:21
Speaker 3: Dacimate all of Syria and military infrastructure. Therefore nothing more
47:27
Speaker 3: than a predatory forces and non of this is just
47:34
Speaker 3: some images of just some of the destruction of Syria's
47:38
Speaker 3: air force. It's helicopters, that's the naval port of the
47:43
Speaker 3: Syria naval port at Latakia, the destruction of oil tankers.
47:47
Speaker 3: Pretty much everything in the port has been destroyed or
47:51
Speaker 3: is burning.
47:52
Speaker 2: And what Natanyahu.
47:54
Speaker 3: Put out on Facebook, I think this was and then
47:57
Speaker 3: it was republished on the Acts conference yesterday, I knew
48:01
Speaker 3: and matita was opened in the history of the Middle East.
48:04
Speaker 2: Remember his vision of the new Middle East yesterday.
48:08
Speaker 3: The sad regime in Syria, the mainly Iran's acxis of
48:12
Speaker 3: evil crumbled after fifty four so obviously who is the
48:20
Speaker 3: main beneficiary of all of those Israel And he says
48:24
Speaker 3: again this is quite a thing. I would like statement,
48:28
Speaker 3: so thank my friend President to elect Ronald Trumpet. My
48:32
Speaker 3: request is Israel sovereignty over the Lowland Heights in two
48:36
Speaker 3: thousand and nine. The importance of this historic recognition has
48:40
Speaker 3: been underscored today. The Goland Heights will be an able
48:43
Speaker 3: part of the state of Israel forever. But however, it's
48:46
Speaker 3: not only the occupied territories if we actually look now
48:52
Speaker 3: where Israel has invaded Syria. So when this map was public,
49:00
Speaker 3: they had only arrived at Catalna, which is in the mountains,
49:05
Speaker 3: probably about an hour on the main highway into Damascus.
49:09
Speaker 3: But last night they advanced to the small red circle
49:12
Speaker 3: that I've included there, which is to an area called
49:16
Speaker 3: the mass which is really about very close to where
49:18
Speaker 3: I used to live and is only about fifteen to
49:24
Speaker 3: twenty minutes from Damascus center. And of course, as I said,
49:27
Speaker 3: they have control of the various groups in Dada, and
49:32
Speaker 3: of course of the Druz separatist groups in Suedo.
49:36
Speaker 2: So what is you know Israel.
49:38
Speaker 3: Effectively doing taking a bite out of southern Syria, infringing
49:44
Speaker 3: on the border, potentially on the border with Labin, order
49:49
Speaker 3: armoring very very much closer to Damascus. And this was
49:52
Speaker 3: a map put out by Middle East Observer Acts describing
49:57
Speaker 3: and I agree with him, what is Israel going and
50:00
Speaker 3: do with the United states it is going to create
50:02
Speaker 3: a belt from the south from the occupied Golan and
50:07
Speaker 3: all the way up the eastern of Syria to cut
50:10
Speaker 3: off any of any potential for a land bridge from
50:15
Speaker 3: Iran Vark and also so extending over to a bill
50:21
Speaker 3: and into eastern Iraq, bordering Iran, the potential for future
50:27
Speaker 3: war with Iran. And actually this entirect was sort of
50:33
Speaker 3: confirmed in Iran by if we just moved to the
50:38
Speaker 3: Cradle Post, assuming there is an article at their website.
50:41
Speaker 3: So former chief commander of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards for
50:46
Speaker 3: Mozine Razzai says that eleven thousand ISIS providers are being
50:51
Speaker 3: trained in the US camps in the region to.
50:53
Speaker 2: Enter Iraq as soon as possible.
50:55
Speaker 3: Of course, they have been operating inside Er destroying infrastructure
50:59
Speaker 3: for some time. Speaking on Tuesday morning, he said that
51:03
Speaker 3: the usual and militant groups attacked two hundred and fifty
51:06
Speaker 3: infrastructure points in Syria in the last day, completely destroying
51:11
Speaker 3: some of the Military Research centerces. I think what this
51:15
Speaker 3: demonstrates is the good job that the Syrian Air Defense,
51:19
Speaker 3: despite having very limited capabilities, because the terrorists from twenty
51:23
Speaker 3: twelve onwards, backed by Israel, entered many of the air
51:28
Speaker 3: defense spaces and either seized them or destroyed them, but
51:32
Speaker 3: they still did a very good bringing down Israeli missiles.
51:35
Speaker 2: But of course there is absolutely no air defense used
51:41
Speaker 2: the bunk of.
51:44
Speaker 3: Prior to that, so it looks as if the war
51:48
Speaker 3: is still going to expand there is potential thing with
51:53
Speaker 3: hts into eleven the class in the last two days,
51:57
Speaker 3: but are also expanding into Iraq.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Vanessa, I'm afraid that was that was really
52:06
Speaker 1: pretty broken, but we I think we get a sense
52:08
Speaker 1: of what you were saying. I think maybe we'll we'll
52:11
Speaker 1: try and re record this at another time because I
52:15
Speaker 1: think what you said there was really important. We should
52:17
Speaker 1: point out that Vanessa is in temporary accommodation at the moment,
52:20
Speaker 1: so this is this is uh uh, this is just
52:23
Speaker 1: going to be resolved in the in the not to
52:25
Speaker 1: distant future. But we'll just have to live with that
52:27
Speaker 1: as for the moment, Charles, let me come on to
52:30
Speaker 1: you and I and we'll end with a farming segment.
52:36
Speaker 5: Thanks mart Yes, one that follows last week in which
52:39
Speaker 5: I spoke about the news and need the great expression
52:42
Speaker 5: of displeasure that all foods had used the methane suppressing
52:47
Speaker 5: additive in the feed of dairy cows, and I effectively
52:51
Speaker 5: believe this should be used as a means by which
52:54
Speaker 5: we further scrutinize the tinkering that is done with livestock
52:59
Speaker 5: and indeed there to us via the food that we
53:02
Speaker 5: eat and the drink that we consume. We've had a
53:07
Speaker 5: follow up article on the UK column website by Dr
53:10
Speaker 5: Mike Williams entitled is both safe and effective because, believe
53:13
Speaker 5: it or not, those were the very words they used
53:16
Speaker 5: in their data safety sheet, which seemed to be quite remarkable.
53:19
Speaker 4: Now.
53:20
Speaker 5: I talked about Bill Gates last week, but he certainly
53:23
Speaker 5: was an isolated example. They're all at it, the supposed philanthropists,
53:27
Speaker 5: who are of course nothing of the sort. But here
53:29
Speaker 5: we've got Jeff Bezos talking about a methane vaccine project.
53:33
Speaker 5: Notable here that he's collaborating with the Purbright Institute, the
53:37
Speaker 5: Role Veterinary College here in the United Kingdom. But the
53:40
Speaker 5: point is they have covered all bases exactly like I
53:42
Speaker 5: said about Gates. In effect, they buy the land, they
53:46
Speaker 5: buy the fake meat, they buy the climate change narrative,
53:48
Speaker 5: and they buy the drugs. So no matter what the outcome,
53:52
Speaker 5: they will be okay. The other thing, of course, that
53:55
Speaker 5: was covered last week was bird flu and the extraordinary
54:00
Speaker 5: panic that not only might birds make each other ill,
54:04
Speaker 5: but also other mammals and then intern humans. Of course,
54:07
Speaker 5: this is despite the fact there is no evidence whatsoever
54:11
Speaker 5: for the existence of bird flu in the first place.
54:13
Speaker 5: But nonetheless, all of these are used as tools with
54:17
Speaker 5: which to squeeze out the small producers, especially those applying
54:21
Speaker 5: traditional methods and foregoing the use of chemicals and pharmaceuticals,
54:26
Speaker 5: something that European Commission is not going to be considering
54:30
Speaker 5: anytime soon. And I've spoken about it in the past,
54:32
Speaker 5: but one of the very widespread chemicals used in agriculture,
54:36
Speaker 5: as of course it is elsewhere, is glyfe state, more
54:38
Speaker 5: commonly known as round up. But that's the active ingredient,
54:42
Speaker 5: and just to remind you that it's currently approved by
54:45
Speaker 5: the European Commission up until December twenty thirty three. And
54:47
Speaker 5: of course, in many cases we take our lead from
54:51
Speaker 5: such edicts, notably Therese Coffee when she was in the
54:56
Speaker 5: when she was involved with Deferent describing glyphosate, which is
55:00
Speaker 5: is a very very potent herbicide as being integral to
55:04
Speaker 5: regenerative agriculture, which took some beating as a statement to
55:08
Speaker 5: make in that position. But we'll just have a look
55:10
Speaker 5: now at a video produced by Zach Bush that the
55:15
Speaker 5: show notes will contain a link to the full video,
55:17
Speaker 5: which I really would recommend you do watch, but this
55:19
Speaker 5: is a short segment on the destructive nature of chemicals
55:23
Speaker 5: within the food system.
55:26
Speaker 10: And so these farmers started using it and it became
55:29
Speaker 10: a revolution for them, and it was actually called the
55:31
Speaker 10: green Revolution of the nineteen sixties. And so the green
55:35
Speaker 10: revolution was actually use of nitrogen phosphorus potassium or MPK fertilizers.
55:40
Speaker 10: And the MPK fertilizer did turn plants green, because nitrogen
55:44
Speaker 10: and phosphus do that. But what was lacking in those
55:47
Speaker 10: plants for the first time in human industry was the
55:49
Speaker 10: nutrients and the medicine that should always have been in
55:51
Speaker 10: that food. And so the plants became weak. Just like
55:56
Speaker 10: a human being who lacks nutrients, their immune system goes down.
55:59
Speaker 10: And when a plants immune system goes down, becomes prone
56:01
Speaker 10: to viruses pests, and it can't excrete the stuff from
56:04
Speaker 10: the root system that would keep weeds at bay. And
56:06
Speaker 10: so now the plants are getting attacked from the outside,
56:09
Speaker 10: if you will, and the chemical farmer chemical industry says,
56:12
Speaker 10: no problem, here's a new chemical weed killer, here's a pesticide.
56:16
Speaker 10: And so the farmers got themselves locked into this codependent
56:20
Speaker 10: relationship with chemical fertilizers and chemical drugs for the plants
56:23
Speaker 10: to keep them alive despite a failing biology underneath the
56:27
Speaker 10: surface there.
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Speaker 11: Right, akin to taking a drug to deal with the
56:32
Speaker 11: symptoms of some ailments that you have that creates a
56:36
Speaker 11: whole battery of side effects that then require you to
56:39
Speaker 11: take another drug to deal with those. It's just an
56:42
Speaker 11: environmental version of that.
56:44
Speaker 10: It's exactly the same thing, and in fact the drugs
56:46
Speaker 10: have been the same.
56:50
Speaker 5: So Zach brush that part of a twenty five minute
56:53
Speaker 5: video which I really would encourage you to watch. And
56:55
Speaker 5: of course the various two parallel made at the end
56:57
Speaker 5: with the comparison between the health and indeed human health
57:01
Speaker 5: and that perpetual cycle with the use of chemicals. Now
57:04
Speaker 5: this coincides with the publication yesterday of the Health and
57:08
Speaker 5: Health and Safety Executive Analysis in terms of risk assessment
57:12
Speaker 5: with regard to the chemicals that may end up in
57:17
Speaker 5: the food chain or indeed in your body, depending on
57:20
Speaker 5: what it is you decide to eat. Now, they say
57:24
Speaker 5: that this work checks that dietary intakes of residues are
57:28
Speaker 5: within acceptable limits. So at no point here at the
57:32
Speaker 5: health and safety executives suggesting that part of their role
57:35
Speaker 5: is to ensure that chemicals do not make it into
57:38
Speaker 5: your food. Absolutely not. All they're saying is that they
57:41
Speaker 5: will design levels below which they think it is acceptable.
57:45
Speaker 5: And I should point out that the levels that they
57:47
Speaker 5: choose are median levels. They don't look at the highest
57:51
Speaker 5: levels that they would find of concentrations of particular herbicides
57:55
Speaker 5: or pesticides, let's say. So in effect, they're very measuring
58:00
Speaker 5: system is completely broken. Of course, notwithstanding the fact that
58:06
Speaker 5: they don't mind at all if these things are going
58:09
Speaker 5: to get through the system and be in your body
58:12
Speaker 5: and therefore take the source of effect that Zach Bush
58:15
Speaker 5: describes there in his video. We'll go and have a
58:17
Speaker 5: look a bit more at what they say in their
58:20
Speaker 5: document talking about the exposure to pesticides, and again going
58:24
Speaker 5: back to this idea that they did not pose an
58:26
Speaker 5: unacceptable risk to humans with a wide range of investigations.
58:30
Speaker 5: But the point to make here is that the tests
58:32
Speaker 5: they make for humans are blood and urine, but they're
58:37
Speaker 5: not done with humans. They use animals in order to
58:40
Speaker 5: conduct those tests. Human volunteer studies involving pesticides are not
58:43
Speaker 5: generated in current regulatory work, So that's in effect double
58:47
Speaker 5: speak for saying that there are no human trials with
58:50
Speaker 5: regard to the effect of pesticides on human body. This
58:54
Speaker 5: is only conducted by using animals, and the results are
58:58
Speaker 5: only charted in blood and urine and not overall health.
59:02
Speaker 5: So in effect, they're putting out a document here, a report,
59:05
Speaker 5: to try to convince us that they know how something's
59:08
Speaker 5: going to affect our health when they haven't actually even
59:10
Speaker 5: been able to measure it. Further, they go on to
59:14
Speaker 5: say that some consumers are concerned, but in effect, I've
59:17
Speaker 5: highlighted that text because it's a suggestion that it would
59:19
Speaker 5: be ridiculous to be concerned about this. But nonetheless, some
59:22
Speaker 5: consumers are concerned by the possible implications of residues of
59:25
Speaker 5: more than one chemical occurring in say, a single portion
59:28
Speaker 5: of fruit or vegetables, and the mixture of pesticides and
59:31
Speaker 5: veterinary medicines, which is something that people of course do reckon.
59:36
Speaker 5: There to be implications from and this is being described
59:40
Speaker 5: as a cocktail effect. They don't go on to describe
59:44
Speaker 5: what it is that this cocktail effect may or may
59:46
Speaker 5: not do to people. But I think the central thing
59:49
Speaker 5: to draw from this document, which if you are so inclined,
59:52
Speaker 5: I would encourage you to go and read, just to
59:55
Speaker 5: really understand the completely blase attitude of the specific government
1:00:00
Speaker 5: department tasked with making food safe for consumption, absolutely casting
1:00:05
Speaker 5: that to the wind, and indeed purely preserving the interests
1:00:10
Speaker 5: of the agrichemical industry, which of course dictates the way
1:00:15
Speaker 5: in which the UK is farmed. So this is really
1:00:19
Speaker 5: to begin the process of examining in greater detail what
1:00:23
Speaker 5: it is that does go into the food chain in
1:00:24
Speaker 5: response to what Arlah have done in recent weeks. And
1:00:28
Speaker 5: I would encourage you to go to the series tab
1:00:31
Speaker 5: on the UK column website and select farming from the
1:00:34
Speaker 5: drop down there, because there is so much more information
1:00:36
Speaker 5: on all of this, not just in written articles, but
1:00:39
Speaker 5: also in exceptionally good interviews with people who are doing
1:00:43
Speaker 5: it correctly and absolutely do know what they're talking about.
1:00:47
Speaker 1: Thanks Charles. Now we've got one final little video here.
1:00:53
Speaker 5: We have, Yes, just a reminder of what ed Milliband
1:00:59
Speaker 5: might be wanting for Christmas if you had given him
1:01:01
Speaker 5: a thought. A little video from ANGLESEA in the last
1:01:05
Speaker 5: few days here which shows that he will be on
1:01:09
Speaker 5: the lookout for some new solar panels and new wind turbines.
1:01:12
Speaker 5: This is what happens in the wake of a big storm.
1:01:16
Speaker 5: All the solar panels get destroyed and the wind turbine
1:01:19
Speaker 5: even blew effectively in half and apparently caught fire. So
1:01:23
Speaker 5: that's where your money on so called renewable energy ends
1:01:28
Speaker 5: up going.
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Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, I'm not sorry to see that terribly much.
1:01:33
Speaker 1: I mean that land should be used for farmland, but anyway,
1:01:36
Speaker 1: that's a whole other discussion. Thank you Charles, and thank
1:01:39
Speaker 1: you despite the difficulties Vanessa, thank you very much for
1:01:42
Speaker 1: that today. We will be back in a few minutes
1:01:45
Speaker 1: for some extra if you're a UK column member. Otherwise,
1:01:49
Speaker 1: enjoy the interview at one pm tomorrow, and we'll be
1:01:51
Speaker 1: back at one pm as usual on Friday for another
1:01:53
Speaker 1: news program. See then Bye Bye.
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Speaker 10: HEMP.
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Speaker 2: After empty