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Goodwood Dreams, Gasser Thunder, Rapid Renaults, 24-Hour Biking & the 'Dukes of Westfield · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  John Summers is the motoring historian.
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  He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into
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  a fairly inept sports bike rider.
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  Hailing from California, he collects cars and bikes built with plenty of
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  cheap and fast, and not much reliable.
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  On his show, he gets together with various co hosts to talk about new
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  and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, and motoring travel.
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  Good day, good morning, good afternoon, um.
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  Welcome to the Motoring Historian with, uh, John Summers and Mike Gamme.
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  Um, Mark, it's episode eight.
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  Man, popular demand keeps us coming back, doesn't it?
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  It does, it does.
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  Our needy viewer, or listener, or whatever it is.
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  Well, I, I, uh, I confess it's been a month or so since I last
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  looked at the stats, but a hundred and twelve episodes have been
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  downloaded the last time I looked.
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  Probably a hundred of them is me testing, but there's still 12
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  there that is, uh, yeah, yeah.
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  Um, all right, well, moving on to our structured talk track, because we are.
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  organized produce.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And we're also, but we also don't pretend like there's not a talk track like
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  so many of these other podcasters do.
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  Cause you know, when the microphone's in the room, the story that you
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  tell is different, isn't it?
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  Um, uh, we texted, didn't we about Goodwood?
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  Um, let's just talk a little bit about the experience that you had this last weekend.
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  Um, because you and I went to the revive, went to the festival, is it
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  the one where it's up East driveway and that's, that is a good event, but that
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  is not on the same page as the full on.
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  Balls out racing on the track just like it was in the 1960s and the full
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  Everybody dressed up to get in the paddock Um, I I remember I went to the
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  first couple of those kind of meetings with the early 2000s before I moved.
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  Um, Awesome motoring events.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I saw an ad one of the things they sent out an email Couple days before I said
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  something about it Um, as the sort of the best motoring meeting in the world, and
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  I mentioned that to my boss is Canadian and his son's a sports journalist,
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  mainly covering hockey because he's Canadian ice hockey rather, but some
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  other sports as well and that he's into his cars and his sim racing and stuff.
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  And he said, that's a very American thing to say to sort of brag,
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  but it's the best of the world.
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  I said, Yeah, that is right.
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  But like the Super Bowl being the world championship for one
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  country, but nonetheless, you know, they are the best of it.
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  Um, and, yeah, I mean, it's, it's the members meeting, not the revival, so no
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  one's in period dress, but that's, and there's less people there, but the racing
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  is the racing, and you go, you know, you go, it's, it's so cool, I mean, you can
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  go there and see the cars being thrashed around, um, and then wander, you know,
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  wander under the tunnel and into the pits and see those cars that were just
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  thrashed around, ticking themselves cool.
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  With the people still driving around and putting, you know, tires on them and
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  things like that, and you can just walk right up, you know, you could see them
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  go out onto the track and everything.
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  So, um, it's, after spending the day there, it is difficult to argue.
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  I can't, I couldn't, I was trying to think of it the other way around.
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  What would I rather, if I could have, go to any other meeting,
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  would I prefer to go to any other meeting, any other days racing?
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  And no, I wouldn't.
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  I mean, the members meeting is the best.
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  It's for me, you know, specifically, you know, for what I'm looking for for
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  racing, which is beautiful cars and old cars and interesting cars thrashed about
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  properly with proper competitive racing with a sort of gentlemanly spirit to it.
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  So it's, you know, there's hardly any crashes, you know, there's oversteering
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  or exuberant driving, but there's.
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  There's no real sort of banging of fenders and things like that between the
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  they're shoving it up the inside when there's a, you know, cigarette papers
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  gap and things like that still, but uh, very little it all done with a sort of,
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  you know, handshake afterwards, kind of, you know, classic sort of stuff.
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  Um, so yeah, it is difficult to argue.
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  It is the best.
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  Um, and we, we had a great day full stop.
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  I mean, we went.
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  Um, my wife's waiting for another operation.
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  She's got limited mobility at the moment.
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  So, you know, that'll give her a new lease of life.
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  But so we're game with strolling in from the car park in the morning and
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  the little two of the horn as I look in, uh, it was Angie's getting a
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  stick out of the, at the back seat.
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  Um, and it's an old lady, old lady, a mature lady in a, an Aston Martin
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  sportage leaning out the window.
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  So with Goodwood mobility team written on the side saying, would you like a lift?
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  So, Oh, well, thanks very much.
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  Spare us the.
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  I don't know 800 yard walk or something in which my wife at the moment is a
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  bit of a she's doing it it's a bit of a struggle but she wouldn't miss it for
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  the world um and just whisked in dropped inside separate entrance there you go sir
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  certainly sir can I scan your little your little because of course there's no ticket
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  the ticket is the little enamel metal badge on a little um on a little piece a
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  bit of a cord and on the back they've got the little uh the little code that they
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  just scan you in so you've got a nice little memento afterwards nothing so uh
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  Um a foe as a as an actual piece of paper.
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  I don't need to bother with that Um, but yeah, so it was amazing.
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  I mean, so the racing was spectacular When I went to, uh, when I was a docent
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  of the black or I guess a slammer docent at the Black Hawk Museum, but
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  certainly years ago, we used to have a director, Tim McGray, English bloke.
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  Um, and he, uh, would.
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  Because he was well connected would he did like this speaker series and
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  it was people like how didn't Ganley you like race Formula One and Can Am
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  or Vic Elford or we had Brian Redmond.
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  So all guys from kind of Tim's era and a lot of them Englishmen who lived in
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  America because Tim's an Englishman who lives who lives in America.
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  He does the M1 concourse.
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  Now I'll do a.
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  Uh, for anybody listening, it's worth looking at that con.
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  Anything Tim does is, is really cool and not for nothing.
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  Like me, his first car was a Cortina.
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  His was a 1600E.
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  I think it was somewhat newer than, uh, than mine was mine were
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  10 years old when I had them.
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  So, uh, but yeah, I, I, the old, um, uh, Tim, when we had these speakers
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  would always say to them, if you could do you had these questions,
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  if you Campbell, right, if you were going to drive across America.
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  What would you drive?
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  Would you cannonball?
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  Would you just cruise?
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  And everybody was like cruise and add different ideas about
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  what they'd want to cruise in.
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  Another question was any event that you could go to anywhere in the world,
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  any point in time, what would it be?
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  And I reckon probably half the time people were like.
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  Goodwood Revival.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it's not, I like members.
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  I see why you like the members meeting though.
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  Because it's like, you know, you don't have to bother with the dressing up.
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  It's just there with the motor racing, so you can just go along and just
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  be you and be immersed in a world.
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  And, and, you know, for me, right, when I think about what's special
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  about Goodwood is what's special about vintage sports car club events as well.
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  I'm not saying there aren't events like this in America.
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  I feel, you know, Bonneville's like this, this, this way you can walk right up
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  to the cars where you can see the cars really closely and where fundamentally,
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  if you want it to be a butt monkey.
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  Steel tools getting guys way ask the driver dickheaded questions You could
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  do all those things but there's a culture there that you don't do that
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  and and Yeah, the the events are uh are awesome, uh because of it.
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  Um, yes About the um, just a bit of sort of a soft stuff around the outside It
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  was just a beautifully good very good wood thing to have happen just to be
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  actually chauffeured in because your wife's are struggling a bit And, you
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  know, that it's not just any old car.
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  It's an Aston Martin, because it's Goodwood, of course.
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  What is this Bortage?
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  It's a sort of SUV.
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  It's Aston's SUV.
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  Oh, really?
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  That's what it looks like to me.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, I mean, nice enough.
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  I mean, it's in the back of it for about five minutes.
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  Oh, johnny smith.
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  I had, he had a tweet this week that was like, uh, about the hurricane about
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  how Not the hurricane the iris The anus.
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  He was like, I couldn't have an anus in my life.
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  He was like hating on the anus.
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  Right.
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  And, and, you know, there's been general hating on big SUVs
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  because BMW have done this like 785 horsepower or 738 foot pounds.
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  So some bonkers, stupid.
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  Rivian eating SUV, right?
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  Um, you know, well, you know, I I'm disappointed by BMW's direction as well.
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  I'm just going to say, but you know, this is a, uh, a separate, um, point
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  where were we, where was I going before I got distracted by the Rivians?
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  We were talking about the Aston, the Kia, the Aston Martin Kia,
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  Sportage, um, Sportage, Sportage, Sportage, Shooting Brake.
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  All of these things, they're bollocks until you lean on them.
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  And then when you lean on them, you're like, geez, this thing does it all.
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  It's easy to hate a Cayenne when like it's like you're in your cheap Mondeo
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  looking at some soccer person in their, you know, SUV in it in traffic and you're
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  thinking, what do you need your Cayenne turbo with 550 horsepower for that?
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  No, right?
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  What you need the Cayenne turbo for is those, I guess it was, uh, the, the
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  guy was, uh, you ran a green hedge fund when you could make money doing it.
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  Long time ago, met him at a party, colleague, like partner of a colleague
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  and my wife's, um, he said to me, he'd had three Cayenne turbos in a row because
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  there was nothing else that fitted in his parking garage, had credibility
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  at the country club and could get to Tahoe and could like climb a hill.
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  That's what he said.
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  He can, it can accelerate uphill at Tahoe, which is like in a low pressure
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  Where like the big V8s aren't that good in the snow, it's a monster and that kind
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  of guy, you know, but for every one of those, you know, for every one bloke like
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  that, there's a million of them that are Chelsea tractors and, you know, maybe,
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  maybe the answer is, it ain't the shoe, it's how it's worn, right, that's that.
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  As a spec, yeah, and is it the right shoe for that foot, et cetera, but
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  on the journeys that foot's taking.
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  But I mean, but back to the racing.
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  I mean, the racing was amazing.
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  We watched, we were there on the Sunday.
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  Um, you get, you do obviously Friday, Saturday on Sunday, Saturday is a couple
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  of races, but it's largely qualifying.
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  And some of the races are two part races with Saturday, 40 minutes,
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  and then Sunday, 40 minutes.
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  And it's often gentleman driver and professional driver with a pit stop, uh,
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  in between in the one race and stuff.
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  So, but yeah, the most trophy stand out moment for that cracking race.
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  Uh, E types and AC Cobras with the Cobra triumphing in the end.
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  But, um, I can't remember if it was that one or if it was the previous one, but
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  the previous race, but there was a DB4 coming along the Lavent Stray at one
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  point and its front left tire exploded.
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  Um, completely carcass gone down onto the rim, piercing sparks
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  everywhere and it's coming towards us.
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  I'm thinking he's not backing off really.
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  I'm gonna wonder if he's gonna spin, you know, that's the deal.
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  Maybe he's worried about that.
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  Hmm, didn't appear that way, and he just carried on in the gas,
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  largely letting off people coming past him, but keeping to one side.
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  And then sort of wove across the grass a bit, onto the tarmac in front of the stand
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  outside Woodcut that we were watching on the outside of the corner on the left.
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  And then just drifted it past us on three, into the marshall's
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  piece, behind the tyre wall.
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  No problem.
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  Five seconds of yellow flags, no stopped racing.
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  Big round of applause from the crowd as the guy gets out and waves to
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  the, waves to the, to the stands.
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  Um, but the best race, if you want to watch one, was, well, for me,
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  the one that I saw that I really enjoyed the most was, where is this?
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  Um, the Edge, the SF Edge Trophy, which was Hellwin Francis Edge.
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  Yeah, it was a hard fought battle between a Sunbeam Indianapolis.
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  And a rack, 200 horsepower.
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  And it, I mean, to say it went to the wire is understating it.
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  Um, it was decided after the chicane on the last lap.
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  Wow.
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  Um, by N Point it was less, it was like half a second or less.
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  It was less than half a second.
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  It was like North point naught six or something stupid.
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  Um, but yeah, I, I won't spoil it if you're gonna, it's,
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  it's on YouTube at the moment.
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  I mean, and, uh, from what I recollect, and I might be wrong about this.
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  Goodwood do all the races or highlights of all the races for about
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  a month or so afterwards and then they disappear off YouTube again.
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  Um, because I know I can get access to them through the members thing
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  on the web page and I can one of the privileges you can watch the
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  course, all the full on boards and everything from, um, previous years.
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  And so, so I watch it where you can is what I would say, you know,
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  get on there and watch them because there's, there's some cork and stuff.
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  Just go to the GRRC page on YouTube and it's all there, but well worth it.
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  Well, I'll post the links even though they'll go dead for the, uh, for
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  those avid Well, the GRRC page will remain, it's just some of the, they,
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  they sort of trim out some of the full races after a while, it seemed to me.
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  Yeah, now that happened to me, I'd intended to go back and watch a live
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  stream one time, and only to find it had been taken down, and at the time
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  I was like, Oh, but then you realize, well, you know, it's that, this will
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  be a classic thing to charge for.
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  And it makes sense to, to do that.
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  And you know, you've got to find a way to finance what you, what you're doing.
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  Um, yeah, the gentlemanly racing thing is, is I think a feature of Goodwood and,
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  and a feature of the way that motor sport used to be due to the lack of safety.
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  Right.
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  The, the, you, you really made a point of showing respect for other people.
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  I think as a, as a safety point, and I think this is why people like Sterling
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  Moss had such a hard time with guys like Farina because Farina race.
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  In a way that didn't really have much respect for, uh, for, for the other
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  people that you were against, um, edge.
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  SF edge really a bloke worth reading the wikipedia on the next time you're
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  enthroned It's it's that kind of thing an early early british motoring pioneer,
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  um, there's a Amazing book that I read When you could buy a copy for 20
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  pounds, which you can't anymore sadly called 10 years of motors and motor
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  racing published in 1905 And it's by a guy, just stop and think about that.
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  10 years of Motors and Motor Racing published in 1905.
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  And it begins by saying how sad the writer Jarrett is that the
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  early pioneering days are gone.
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  And basically the early pioneering days was when he and his buddy Edge, who
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  were cycle racers, basically could get these engines on their bikes as well.
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  So then you could ride the bike down the hill at high speed and then run it.
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  Up the hill on the other side, maybe pedaling, maybe leaping off and pushing.
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  And then, you know, when at night, when you had punctures and things
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  like that, you might not arrive, you know, the publicans house
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  until two o'clock in the morning.
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  And then he rejects you because the horses don't like the smell of motorcycles.
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  That kind of is full of those kind of pioneer adventures.
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  Edge was, was that guy?
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  I believe you talk about, uh, the, uh, a Dirac 200 horsepower.
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  I think it's the, I think, I think there's only one.
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  I think it was a land speed record car.
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  Oh yeah, no, it is.
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  Yeah.
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  It's, it's, it's like a 26 liter V8 or something.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, it's 1906, I think.
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  Yeah.
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  And I, I wouldn't be surprised if the Indianapolis sunbeam was
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  significantly A significantly later car.
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  Oh, yeah, it is.
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  This was, it was the earliest car in the field.
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  It's got, he used one gear the whole lap.
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  Yeah, but the thing has a plane engine, doesn't it?
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  So it has a whole, whole bunch of torque.
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  Yeah.
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  We should find video of, of that.
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  If people aren't familiar with the 200 horsepower, the rack, it's, uh, it's
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  really a, uh, a thing, so I, I have a.
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  You, you well know Mark, I have a total soft spot for those early aero engined
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  kind of I mean, the beast from the terrain is in the same race every year.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, in about eighth, I think.
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  So this, I, I believe I met a bloke in a pub many years
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  ago who was building that car.
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  I believe It's, uh, it was a car that wasn't built and he got the
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  plans for it and then found in a museum in Italy, an engine.
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  And then from then on, it just turned into this, uh, crazy, uh, you know, thing
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  that the project that was, that was, was completed, um, yeah, so my dream.
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  Of the aero engine racing car that I had years ago at home in England, I
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  feel it is actually coming to fruition.
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  And, and the reason that I say that is, is I now have the shell of, of
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  this gas, a drag to the Mercury, um, which as you know, I've had for
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  a decade or so, but you know, it's, it's there that that's the shower.
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  I've had the back axle.
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  That's a state correct 70.
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  Bronco rear axle.
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  I have that.
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  And now I have this DayCorrect 428 that sits in this giant destroyed Thunderbird
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  at the moment, ready to be liberated.
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  And, uh, yeah.
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  So perhaps the other update I should have is, is Mark has spoken to a bloke down in
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  El Segundo who has a business building.
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  Top loaders, because Mark is concerned that not just any Ford
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  four speed top loader is going to do.
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  You have to have one that has the biggest input shaft.
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  The most number of splines and the most number of splines on
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  the output shaft as well, because otherwise he reckons this 428.
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  I don't know what the horsepower and torque figures were like
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  from the factory, but Mark thinks with a rebuild and a mild cam.
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  With a rebuild and a mile cam, mark thinks 500 horsepower, which nice.
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  You know, that's gonna be plenty, isn't it?
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  For that Mercury, which has no interior and, and for reverence, it's a 62 meteor.
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  Um, it's, can we do it in, can we take it to, um, Speedway next year?
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  I mean, next year, maybe in the year, in the year 25, 25, you
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  know, at some point, right, yeah, it's, it's, it's potentially there.
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  Um, I will include a link to this, uh, Falcon.
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  Which is built the way that it's going to be called the hound dog.
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  Um, that the meteor is going to be called position eliminated, which
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  was the way I was fired from my last job in the valley, they can't
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  actually tell you shit at your job.
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  You're fired.
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  They have to say, we've eliminated your whole position.
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  We're actually not going to do any kind of sales anymore.
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  We've eliminated your whole position.
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  I know you thought we were a software sales house, but we've eliminated your
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  position as salesman position eliminated.
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  The woman's name was Celia and she is without question, one of the most
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  awful people I ever met in my life.
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  I was probably an arrogant prick to her in fairness, but you know.
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  I'm ready.
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  I just confessed.
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  I just confessed.
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  Didn't I just said I may in some way of being responsible for Celia firing me.
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  It was just possible that I might have been, um, you said a dollar might
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  was pissing oil when we were texting.
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  My dad had a dollar mine.
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  I, you know, I remember about it when I was a small boy before I
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  even moved to, uh, uh, high Wiccan.
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  Um, when we lived in Gloucester, I, uh, was having a fight with one of my friends.
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  And, uh, Dana's walking on the ceiling giving a sound effects.
• 22:08
  I was having a fight with one of my friends.
• 22:11
  And I rolled and knocked this, I guess this dry stone wall.
• 22:17
  Either way, a piece of dry stone wall fell 20 feet onto my dad's
• 22:21
  navy blue Triumph Dolomite and put this huge dent in the roof.
• 22:25
  And my dad was really peed off at me to Express it mildly.
• 22:31
  I always felt bad about that.
• 22:32
  I, when I see a similar dent, I saw a similar dent in the hood of a car just
• 22:36
  recently, and it takes me right back to the guilt that I felt over, uh,
• 22:40
  causing damage to, to this Dolomite.
• 22:43
  The one you saw was pissing oil at the trap.
• 22:45
  Yeah.
• 22:46
  Although if you want to see sort of handsome damage.
• 22:49
  Um, then look no further than the, uh, I think it's still on at the moment,
• 22:56
  at least, the replay of, uh, the race with the Camaro versus the Jetane Capri.
• 23:04
  It's got a proper front left clout, but we're still expertly
• 23:09
  peddled round at maximum velocity.
• 23:12
  Um, irrespective of its cosmetic roughage.
• 23:15
  I saw a picture of it on, uh, on Twitter.
• 23:19
  And, uh, obviously when it had been parked up, instead of just taking
• 23:22
  the fender off, they just rolled the fender out over the tire.
• 23:27
  Because the shape over the tire is perfect.
• 23:29
  But the fenders like totally wrinkled and it's lost the headlight and the,
• 23:34
  the whole, uh, that the whole peak.
• 23:37
  The guy, I mean, in the Moss Trophy, a guy in a hardtop E type, um,
• 23:41
  lightweight E type, um, it comes up the lavent straight, goes up,
• 23:45
  goes to take the guy on the inside.
• 23:47
  And then the guy didn't quite see him.
• 23:49
  So moved across a bit.
• 23:50
  So there was enough space maybe, but he went onto the grass anyway
• 23:53
  and he was coming at Raynaud so he, you know, passed it enough that
• 23:56
  he was going to be plenty past.
• 23:57
  So he, but he therefore couldn't break properly before Woodcut.
• 24:02
  Um, so he, when he got off the grass, he stamped on the brakes
• 24:06
  as hard as he could and then was.
• 24:07
  And then tried to tip it in on the line it need to be and to drift it
• 24:11
  round and the back came round on it.
• 24:13
  And he sort of double pirouetted around and then, and again, off the brakes
• 24:17
  on the grass, back on the ground, broke brakes on the tarmac again.
• 24:21
  Rolled up to nerf, dink, against the rear, against the tyre wall.
• 24:26
  And again, smashed up the back a bit.
• 24:29
  Bit of a wrecky round, like, from the driver's seat.
• 24:33
  Back in the race.
• 24:35
  No messing about, racers be racers.
• 24:38
  Um, will it start?
• 24:39
  Yup.
• 24:40
  Does it drive properly?
• 24:41
  Yup.
• 24:41
  Well, I'm not even coming in.
• 24:43
  Carry on.
• 24:44
  So, it's, it's full of that sort of stuff.
• 24:46
  And it's um, oh god, seeing the old Capris and stuff.
• 24:49
  And that 19 Bossy, 1982 or whatever it is, that chap had
• 24:53
  a, did you see that one today?
• 24:54
  He had a Mugello, it's a video of um, the Zakspeed Capri.
• 24:59
  The bright yellow one, the Jägermeister one is it I think?
• 25:02
  The bright orange one, sorry.
• 25:04
  Turbo Capri being rinsed around Mugello, right?
• 25:07
  Sounds fabulous.
• 25:08
  It's lovely to see.
• 25:09
  Yeah, the um, Zach Speed did Mark 1 Capris as well, but they're known for like the
• 25:16
  Mark 3, which is like a 7, it was a 1.
• 25:19
  7 Turbo 4 that made like 600 horsepower or something.
• 25:23
  It was some, I'm not, DTM mutant kind of, uh, kind of a thing.
• 25:30
  And I mean, look, I mean, we talked a bit about over the email about over the
• 25:34
  was apps rather about, um, That 935, the body kit on that Zaxby Capri is
• 25:39
  similar in the sense that it is stepped out as shit from the side of the car
• 25:44
  at the bottom to create those sort of hovercraft like skirts on the side.
• 25:49
  And boy oh boy does it make it look punchy.
• 25:51
  We really did pause and, and pay tribute to, um, what DTM was conceived to be,
• 25:58
  which was this, this sort of Formula One of saloon car racing, where anything
• 26:05
  goes, where they, they created something that was almost closer to NASCAR.
• 26:11
  Then our own BTCC, where even in the eighties, do you remember the, you
• 26:16
  know, the great, the era of Cleland, that those cavaliers were limited to
• 26:21
  eight and a half thousand RPM, you know, to keep the horsepower down, you
• 26:25
  know, so you, you, you couldn't like, there was no like building a really
• 26:29
  racy engine to give you more power.
• 26:31
  They literally, you know, kept the tires narrow and the, the,
• 26:35
  the playing field very level.
• 26:39
  So, tell me before we move on from uh, from Goodwood, um, what was the
• 26:43
  best car you saw in the car park?
• 26:46
  Not in the event when you were just walking in.
• 26:49
  You mentioned the car park.
• 26:50
  Oh, in the car park?
• 26:50
  Oh, yeah.
• 26:51
  Um.
• 26:52
  What would you want to, what, yeah.
• 26:56
  There was a Gunmetal 550.
• 27:02
  I didn't look to see if it was on a stick, but if it was.
• 27:09
  All right, good answer.
• 27:12
  So answer me this, moving on to, uh, moving on to my, uh,
• 27:16
  recent couple of weeks en France.
• 27:20
  Um, when we were there 20 years ago, did they have all that
• 27:24
  traffic calming in the villages?
• 27:27
  I don't think they did.
• 27:29
  Now every village has got like flower pots or designated parking so you have to like
• 27:36
  slow down and stop and they prioritise traffic from the other way, you know?
• 27:41
  So, or, or they do this business, they do this business where instead
• 27:46
  of having like just a slow bump that you can, if you hit it at the
• 27:50
  right speed, it sort of isn't there.
• 27:52
  They do these ones where it goes up and then it goes level and then it goes down.
• 27:55
  So there's no option.
• 27:56
  You have to slow down.
• 27:57
  I'm not saying I want to speed through French villages.
• 28:00
  I'm just saying that I feel like in an effort to make.
• 28:05
  You slow down, they're effective, but they make driving just so much more annoying.
• 28:12
  I, I, I also, uh, you, you not spend any time in Paris recently.
• 28:17
  You were aware that they'd done this, this like 19 mile an hour,
• 28:21
  30 kilometer an hour speed limit.
• 28:24
  I had heard rumor.
• 28:26
  And, and so my fear was that the whole place.
• 28:30
  It was going to be like everyone had eaten about 15 Valium.
• 28:35
  It was so good.
• 28:36
  It was good.
• 28:38
  Oh, well, exactly.
• 28:40
  Exactly.
• 28:40
  Right.
• 28:41
  Not very French.
• 28:43
  That was my concern.
• 28:44
  I, I, I mean, I'm all, I don't want pedestrians to be injured
• 28:48
  any more than the next man.
• 28:49
  You know, when I recognize that there's not much to be gained and, you know,
• 28:52
  the green benefits are dubious, but, you know, I, I'm just saying that,
• 28:57
  you know, I get, you know, moved in the right direction and all of that.
• 29:01
  So I'm not.
• 29:02
  You know, objecting on principle.
• 29:05
  I'm just saying that I was worried it would change the character of Paris, but
• 29:08
  I didn't worry that it seems everyone just drives just the same as they ever used to.
• 29:12
  Like it just saying, uh, the periphery, it's not like dodgems, like Rome,
• 29:20
  you know, where half the cars on the side of the car was smashed to
• 29:23
  smithereens, but still, yeah, yeah.
• 29:25
  Rome, it does take some, uh.
• 29:28
  Rome does take some getting used to I remember when I first moved there looking
• 29:32
  at the wet cobbles with the traffic going everywhere Thinking yeah, don't think
• 29:37
  I needed my jigs to hear thinking Leave that at home That would have been rough.
• 29:45
  Yeah.
• 29:45
  Um, I so What I was struck by was uh was the um out on the periphery.
• 29:54
  It was less The lowest the lowest speed limit.
• 29:57
  I'm not saying because they've lowered speed limits everywhere But the traffic
• 30:00
  did seem slower on the periphery and it seems somewhat less scary than uh than it
• 30:06
  had done before Although I gave the cab driver that we took from the middle of
• 30:11
  paris out to orly airport where we picked up a rental um, I gave him the biggest
• 30:16
  tip i've ever given anybody on account of the way that he just dexterously
• 30:22
  Navigated traffic, you know, in terms of not in terms of jumping lines where
• 30:28
  he could, but not being too aggressive.
• 30:31
  And in terms of when we drove past the entrance to the rental car place,
• 30:36
  and as we sail past the entrance, Dana did what she did to me, which was,
• 30:40
  oh, the rental cars are over there.
• 30:42
  Like as much as saying like, what, like, you know, I knew
• 30:45
  they were there all along.
• 30:46
  What are you doing driving past them, you fool.
• 30:49
  I should have been driving.
• 30:50
  Right.
• 30:51
  She did that to him.
• 30:52
  And Ollie had already been sick out the window of the car and
• 30:55
  he'd been really nice about that.
• 30:57
  So I was like, you know what, you know what, um, this might be.
• 31:03
  He, so you know what he did?
• 31:06
  He reversed out of departures and then, you know, across the Chevron he bit.
• 31:12
  To get into the rental carpet.
• 31:13
  It was really some impressive, uh, real bending that earned an unwarranted.
• 31:19
  And, uh, I think probably the largest percentage tip I've ever given.
• 31:25
  Like I was that, I was that, um, I was that impressed.
• 31:30
  So we did these 24 hours of my motos 24 hours.
• 31:39
  They call it basically like, so it's the Bugatti circuit at Lamont and.
• 31:47
  You remember how before you go, you look at the pictures and so on and then
• 31:54
  when moving around again, before you go to Le Mans, you look at the pictures
• 32:01
  and it's the fair and you know, the glowing brake discs and all of that.
• 32:06
  It's only when you get there.
• 32:08
  That you realize that actually it's the motorcycles bouncing off the rev limit is
• 32:13
  endlessly and the smell of campfires and the fact that you're wet because it rained
• 32:18
  earlier and the only way you're going to stay warm is by having another beer.
• 32:23
  You remember how that's what the actual experience is, right?
• 32:28
  The motorcycles were that and some.
• 32:31
  It, it was, it was, it, it, all of the kind of people who go home.
• 32:38
  You know, go, go off the track.
• 32:40
  All of those people didn't come to the motorcycles.
• 32:43
  The only people at the motorcycles with the people who've done things like staple
• 32:47
  that two Euro cup round their necks.
• 32:51
  So they couldn't lose it.
• 32:52
  We saw a number of people with beer cups around their necks, the plastic ones
• 32:57
  like staple, so they weren't gonna, there was no way that to buy another beer.
• 33:02
  But there was no way they were spending 10 euro to get the cup They only needed
• 33:06
  to spend eight euro on that beer.
• 33:09
  And yeah, my word um The other thing I would say about it was we uh, uh had a
• 33:19
  classic l'amour experience in the We got to the hotel, checked in, all of that,
• 33:27
  drove back out to the circuit and a hundred feet away from a roundabout, like
• 33:32
  two car lengths away from a roundabout where we were going to get into the
• 33:36
  circuit and park 200 feet from there.
• 33:41
  Uh, the road was closed and, and I was like, well, we should
• 33:48
  find out what's happening.
• 33:50
  And Dani was like, because she knows that means her, because I'm
• 33:53
  not going to try and speak French.
• 33:54
  And she, she does well with the French, she got out of the car, right.
• 33:59
  I came back to the car and was like, the cop's not answering any questions.
• 34:05
  He's just ignoring everybody.
• 34:09
  So like we sit there for about like, you know, half an hour, everyone's sitting
• 34:13
  there, you know, I did set a trend.
• 34:15
  I went and took a pee in the bushes and then loads of other people did.
• 34:18
  So, you know, I did demonstrate that little bit of cultural leadership there,
• 34:24
  putting one in, I thought putting one in for the British team that, you know,
• 34:27
  the first to piss on French countryside, just by the, just by the Porsche curves.
• 34:32
  Just the road was just, that's, that's exactly, exactly where we were.
• 34:35
  Anyway, it opened up again and turned out it was really quite lucky because
• 34:41
  the parking we were going to was actually one of these campsites that were full
• 34:44
  of Frenchmen with sports bikes who were just bouncing them off the rev limiters
• 34:50
  at deafening volume and setting off fireworks and generally the whole thing
• 34:55
  feeling like the set of a Mad Max movie.
• 34:57
  I mean, there's, there's really, it was like Mad Max meets like a Slayer
• 35:01
  gig when it had rained, you know, that was how, that was how it felt.
• 35:07
  So I was, so I, so as we basically missed the parking, we're driving
• 35:12
  away from the circuit, there was some street parking that just came free.
• 35:16
  So I did a quick U turn, we got in there.
• 35:19
  And so we got in that first, so that first evening, we had a little like look around,
• 35:23
  walk the track, got a lie of the land.
• 35:26
  Next morning we got up and I was like, we're not sitting in that traffic again.
• 35:31
  So we walked, which at the time seemed like a good idea.
• 35:36
  We'd walk across Lamont about hour stroll, you know, pick up some bakery.
• 35:41
  Well, I don't know how well you know Lamont, but that bit at the
• 35:45
  beginning of the Lamont movie.
• 35:47
  That beautiful town square and the cathedral and all of that.
• 35:51
  That's the old town which is in the north a bit to the south That's the
• 35:56
  bit that you know, maybe you don't like industrial zones and stuff Oh, that's
• 36:01
  that's where there's the the five story apartment buildings that that look like
• 36:07
  You wouldn't want to be there after dark.
• 36:10
  Yeah, which only occurred to us as we were moving through them Well, it
• 36:14
  didn't occur to me until we were leaving When Dane was like, we'll get a taxi
• 36:17
  and I was like, we're going to walk.
• 36:19
  So he was like, we'll get a taxi.
• 36:20
  And I was just like, no, there's no taxis going to come.
• 36:23
  Like, what are you, the Uber wasn't going to come.
• 36:27
  Anyway, so that's, but, but so, so that was, that was Saturday
• 36:31
  evening, more Saturday morning, we arrive at the circuit, right?
• 36:36
  And as we, it's warm up, it's already, the schedule's late.
• 36:41
  We're warm up with many, we were going to miss it, but actually
• 36:43
  the bikes were out on track there.
• 36:45
  And as we come in the entrance, we're right up on the outside of the end of
• 36:51
  the pit straight, just as they like cut off to get the bike leant over for the
• 36:56
  swerve before the Dunlop bridge, right?
• 36:59
  And, and at that moment, the fastest bike, the Work Suzuki comes right up and past.
• 37:08
  With like a howl out of this straight Akrapovic and the guy leans
• 37:12
  over and Dana goes, wow, that was fast and that's really it, right?
• 37:19
  It doesn't get it.
• 37:20
  It's really that just over and over and over and over again until it blasts
• 37:26
  you into absolute like oblivion and that's why you're like, Dana was like,
• 37:32
  you're going to have beer already.
• 37:33
  I was like, well, what else?
• 37:34
  Are we going to do, you know, like you, you, you have to lie, you know,
• 37:38
  so we ate sugary food and walk, we walk the circuit, but it was windy.
• 37:43
  Like, so it was bloody cold.
• 37:47
  Um, we were out on a backstretch, right.
• 37:50
  A section that Ollie had picked out cause they went fast there.
• 37:53
  Cause I, we'd looked at the circuit before and he was like, where
• 37:56
  do you think they'll be fastest?
• 37:57
  And I picked this bit of the straights.
• 37:59
  We were there and he was watching them go by and this old French
• 38:02
  bloke taps me on the shoulder.
• 38:04
  And he's telling me how cool Ollie is to be as enthusiastic as he was and knowing
• 38:11
  the different riders and all of that.
• 38:13
  So I had a, uh, a cool, that was, uh, a vindicating, uh, moment.
• 38:19
  Um, but yeah, we add like a sort of meltdown of energy.
• 38:25
  about because the race start we were at the circuit at
• 38:28
  nine o'clock in the morning.
• 38:31
  10 a.
• 38:31
  m was a historic race and uh on the front was like I don't know
• 38:38
  a 999 Ducati but next to him was this replica Schwantz SRAD Gixxer.
• 38:48
  Right.
• 38:49
  SRAT.
• 38:50
  Now there were K5s in the field.
• 38:52
  There were two K1s.
• 38:53
  So K5s are the like, you know, the pinnacle analog sports bike, 160 horse.
• 38:59
  These were maybe 750s, right?
• 39:01
  Not the thousands, but the K1 is the one that like my first bike where
• 39:07
  the headlights wide for people who are not up on their jigsaw law.
• 39:11
  One headlight wide as opposed to one headlight batwing style for the K5.
• 39:17
  The intakes at the side, the two air intakes, uh, the dead giveaway
• 39:22
  for the, for the body style.
• 39:24
  So there were K fives, there were, uh, there were Ducatis,
• 39:28
  um, cbrs, um, you know, like a 9 5 4 CBR we call it in America.
• 39:37
  So that's like a 2002.
• 39:39
  And there was, um, A-C-B-R-F four as well.
• 39:41
  So I dunno what the engine capacity was.
• 39:43
  There was a ZX 10.
• 39:44
  Like my old five ZX 10.
• 39:46
  There was one of those where I say like mine, this one wasn't wrecked,
• 39:50
  but, uh, uh, there was a ZX 10.
• 39:53
  Um, yeah.
• 39:54
  And they were, to be honest, pretty slow looking in comparison to the bikes that
• 39:59
  were actually, uh, that were actually involved in the, uh, in the full on
• 40:03
  championship racing and, uh, like.
• 40:07
  Uh, the the Endurance World Championship they call it and that's uh, that's
• 40:13
  what they call the the series.
• 40:15
  Um, Yeah, so the historic race was pretty good.
• 40:19
  We were in the grandstands for the starting ceremony.
• 40:23
  Um, People singing the the the singing of the french national anthem was uh,
• 40:29
  was really cool moment Um, they run across the track to leap on the bikes
• 40:34
  before the start that kind of ruled as well So that was fun to watch, um, all
• 40:42
  around, uh, extremely, uh, enjoyable.
• 40:45
  Um, we walked the course, the wind was howling cold.
• 40:49
  Um, my family were, were, uh, pretty, uh, you know.
• 40:55
  It was manfully done to survive, um, cause my word, the wind was cold.
• 41:01
  And, uh, I guess the closer place or, uh, having walked a lap and being, uh,
• 41:09
  having walked a lap and being absolutely exhausted in the, uh, visitor center
• 41:16
  place being like, what are we going to do?
• 41:18
  We don't want to eat more crappy food.
• 41:20
  Um, or drink more beer, those of us that can.
• 41:23
  But yeah, I, so we agreed that we would go repair.
• 41:28
  'cause I was like, we just need to be somewhere like
• 41:30
  out of the noise in the cold.
• 41:32
  And the others weren't to, weren't really thinking clearly.
• 41:35
  But I was like, you know, we need to, and I wanted to have
• 41:39
  something left in the gas tank.
• 41:40
  'cause I knew that we were gonna have to walk back across.
• 41:46
  Yeah, well, it was only when we left and the other two, it came to the
• 41:50
  realization that there wasn't going to be any taxi or Uber and that that was
• 41:55
  unrealistic and that people were doing things like sleeping in Renault Clios,
• 42:00
  like whether they folded the back seats down and the front seats forward and
• 42:04
  were, you know, people were breaking out the picnic tables on the sidewalk.
• 42:10
  Blocking the pavement completely, English word and American look at that.
• 42:14
  Blocking this out, like, people are like, yeah, breaking out the cheese
• 42:17
  and the ham and say, uh, you know.
• 42:20
  Tablecloth?
• 42:21
  No, no, actually not.
• 42:23
  Quite a lot of people at the French services, and I've got to
• 42:27
  say, I think we may have discussed this before on a previous cast.
• 42:30
  The payage services, part of what you pay for on the payage.
• 42:34
  Is the payout services and I don't mean the payout services like that are like
• 42:38
  everywhere services, like, you know, where there's loads of stuff and like
• 42:41
  you go in and fight to get to the car.
• 42:43
  Z and all that sort of thing.
• 42:44
  I mean, the payout services where there's just lose and quite a big,
• 42:49
  nice woody picnic area with little like gravity drives and stuff and lots of
• 42:55
  picnics to rest areas and stuff because.
• 42:59
  The friendship, like, well, why would I need to pay for your shitty food?
• 43:02
  I want to use your nice road.
• 43:03
  So give me some bathrooms.
• 43:05
  I don't want to mix with that.
• 43:05
  I just want to go and have a nice place to relax and sit and listen to
• 43:08
  the birds, right, with the cars in the background, and have a picnic table.
• 43:12
  And so they take their own food.
• 43:13
  Well, I saw more than one people with a bottle of wine and a tablecloth and a
• 43:18
  nice setup and some pate and something like, well, you've got glorious food.
• 43:22
  You know, it's a nice part of the world.
• 43:24
  Why not just, even on the side of the motorway, it's pretty nice.
• 43:29
  Well, yeah, so we, uh, so, so we had to walk back, didn't we?
• 43:33
  And then at that point, we had to walk back.
• 43:35
  Cue griping.
• 43:36
  Sorry?
• 43:37
  Cue griping from, uh, small and large.
• 43:41
  No, everyone was too tired.
• 43:43
  And then as we moved into a fairly scuzzy area, too scared.
• 43:48
  And then as we realized that the walking route was taking us the direct route
• 43:53
  out of town, which was parallel to the railway, but meant that there was
• 43:57
  probably a mile and a half section where it was just a narrow walkway, um, along
• 44:05
  the side of the railway track where there was no, you know, egress, right?
• 44:10
  So if anything happened, there was, you know, so, so that caused some, some fear.
• 44:17
  Which was, uh, imbued, which imbued further walking.
• 44:21
  But by the time we got back to the camper, both adults were, well, all members
• 44:26
  of the party were shattered, right?
• 44:28
  Mm-Hmm.
• 44:29
  I can see why.
• 44:30
  So we sat downstairs, add pizza, and I had a beer.
• 44:33
  'cause I was, you know, and, and we approached the topic with
• 44:38
  Ollie twice of not going back.
• 44:41
  But each time he was adamant.
• 44:44
  That we should go back right and he got his cherry coke.
• 44:47
  So he was all like ready for it So I was like, you know what?
• 44:52
  I'm you're only here once we've got to do it, right?
• 44:55
  But but this is so here we are with an eight year old Leaving the hotel
• 45:02
  at 20 to 11 at night To drive back out to the circuit when we have to
• 45:09
  come back to the hotel, sleep, get up the following morning, drive back
• 45:14
  to Paris, drop the rental car, and then be at the airport to fly out.
• 45:20
  And then it's, the flight is at 6.
• 45:23
  30 and we're scheduled to get back to the West Coast at 8.
• 45:27
  50 and then he's going to be in school.
• 45:31
  The following morning, my wife's going to just do a normal day's work that
• 45:37
  following morning, but not a normal day's work, a day's work after the, anyway,
• 45:42
  that's how after a bunch of time off, if you think of it, right, you, you, you've
• 45:46
  got the six 30 plus the time difference, you've got all that time on the plane.
• 45:52
  So, you know, in theory, you could be vested in, in reality, you know, we've
• 45:58
  all been struggling with the jet lag somewhat this week, but, you know.
• 46:01
  It was, uh, it was always, uh, it was always going to be that way.
• 46:05
  Yeah.
• 46:05
  So you get the car.
• 46:06
  So the, get the rental car out of this annoying, stupidly small spots.
• 46:12
  Why are European car parks designed to be just a little bit too small for the car?
• 46:19
  It's really annoying.
• 46:21
  It's really annoying.
• 46:22
  Why not make them bigger?
• 46:24
  There's so much totally unnecessary damage.
• 46:26
  Like you could, you could reduce the number of spots by 10 percent and
• 46:30
  make everybody's life tons easier.
• 46:33
  I, I don't understand it.
• 46:35
  It's, it's really asinine.
• 46:38
  What about the 10 percent of people who can't now park in the town?
• 46:42
  Yeah, the, the, anyway, about the other thing about the car park, right?
• 46:46
  Um, no lights.
• 46:48
  Pitch black, movement sensing, go off the moment you stop moving.
• 46:54
  So that's right, you get out of the car to check you've parked alright in the spot,
• 46:58
  and the light goes out, plunging the whole floor of the car park into pitch black.
• 47:07
  I mean, talk about making, saving a tiny amount of power whilst
• 47:14
  inducing terror into any lone female.
• 47:18
  Or indeed a lone individual in the building.
• 47:21
  You know, it's, it's just absolutely, uh, anyway.
• 47:25
  So we did make our way back to the track and, uh, you know, by that time, right.
• 47:30
  You know, all the Frenchmen, I say Frenchmen, Englishmen as well.
• 47:33
  Anybody that is hammered, right.
• 47:35
  Cause you've been, it's so cold that you must've been drinking
• 47:38
  the beers all day to stay warm.
• 47:40
  Europop.
• 47:41
  They've got Europop going like blasting volume.
• 47:45
  They've got these like French heavy metal bands.
• 47:49
  Kind of like, you know, um, France's answer to Linkin Park.
• 47:54
  Um, it, it, it's, they've got these bungee things that where you could like
• 48:01
  get in a ball and then it springs you like a hundred feet up into the air.
• 48:06
  You couldn't bloody pay me.
• 48:08
  To get on it, the whole, the whole piece.
• 48:12
  Ollie was like, we've got to sit in the grandstands.
• 48:14
  So we sat in the grandstands and, and as they cut off, there's
• 48:18
  flames out of the exhaust pipe of, of the bikes, blue flames.
• 48:23
  So that's, you know, pretty compelling.
• 48:26
  And then he was like, I was, I was sitting there thinking, how
• 48:29
  are we going to tear them away?
• 48:30
  Because a new day could go at any time.
• 48:32
  After we've been there for about half an hour.
• 48:34
  Um, I, I, how are we going to tear him away?
• 48:37
  And just at that moment, he looked at me and was like, I think I've had enough.
• 48:42
  I think we can go home and sleep now.
• 48:44
  And I was like, Ah, rock star.
• 48:46
  So we did.
• 48:48
  And now the run up to the airport was fine.
• 48:50
  And, uh.
• 48:52
  All, uh, all was right with the world.
• 48:56
  Cool, man.
• 48:57
  Well, I look, uh, it's, it's on my list to do that, or the bull
• 49:00
  door or something like that.
• 49:01
  Uh, I, I want to do one of those.
• 49:05
  One evening when we were staying in, uh, uh, , I was like,
• 49:10
  I, I can't take it anymore.
• 49:11
  These garages I've seen at the side of the road, I'm gonna go
• 49:14
  out and look at some of them.
• 49:16
  So I, uh, cause we passed to that evening, just local to where I was staying.
• 49:23
  And then there was another one that we'd passed where I'd seen in it.
• 49:27
  A amongst other things, a Simca 1100 from the 1970s.
• 49:32
  Um, but what caught my eye that was interesting was a Renault
• 49:37
  Safran with alloy wheels on it.
• 49:41
  And it was a Monaco and I.
• 49:45
  Thought it was probably a Monaco, but the bi turbo had
• 49:49
  those wheels on it, didn't it?
• 49:51
  And I thought, wowee, if ever there was a car to buy out of a French junkyard,
• 50:00
  it would be a Renault Safran bi turbo.
• 50:03
  That would be a thing.
• 50:06
  To uh to have anyway, it wasn't a monaco It wasn't a biturbo was a monaco when
• 50:11
  that first evening when I went out I couldn't find it anywhere I couldn't it
• 50:14
  was further away from the house and it needed another expedition later in the
• 50:19
  trip to find that car but in the village we were staying in there was a Bloke who
• 50:26
  it was like buying and selling cars and he had a bunch of stuff Like, uh, you know,
• 50:32
  few thousand euro runabouts at the front.
• 50:37
  He obviously did accident repair as well, but round the back it was all B It
• 50:42
  was, he had, uh, noya Classer, BMW 2002.
• 50:46
  That was like rusting away.
• 50:49
  Three series of all ages and vintages.
• 50:52
  He had.
• 50:53
  Um, which I particularly liked a Renault 1916 valve in blue with the yellow square
• 51:00
  fog lights and the original alloy wheels.
• 51:03
  He had a blue, same blue, um, Clio It looked, it looked like
• 51:09
  it had Williams alloys on it.
• 51:10
  I don't think it was a Williams.
• 51:11
  I think it was just a Clio 16 valve, but either way, like Mark one Clio 16 valve,
• 51:17
  um, two master RX sevens, both Mark twos.
• 51:22
  I don't know what the model designation is.
• 51:24
  Isn't it?
• 51:25
  F a F B and F C, but either way, not the first generation ones.
• 51:29
  The second generation ones, not the really cool swoopy third generation
• 51:33
  ones, the second gen ones, mid nineties kind of, but two of them.
• 51:37
  obviously something the bloke was interested in and had
• 51:40
  been, uh, had been collecting.
• 51:42
  And, uh, as I was there taking photos, I was thinking to myself, you know,
• 51:48
  if you were here, I bet you, he knows exactly what those cars need.
• 51:55
  So you could come to a deal with him.
• 51:57
  Where you bought the car and paid for him to do the work to get it to
• 52:02
  a stage where you could drive it.
• 52:04
  And see, I love that kind of car because that way only the work gets
• 52:09
  done that you want to get done.
• 52:11
  If he comes to you and says it needs a new steering rack, that'll be 500 euro.
• 52:15
  You just do it.
• 52:17
  If he comes to you and says, you know, there's a crack in the
• 52:20
  spotlight and the headlight doesn't work, you say, fix the headlight
• 52:24
  and don't care about the spotlight, you know, you build it your way.
• 52:27
  Just like that E55 I've got, the body's terrible still.
• 52:31
  But mechanically it's great and because it pulled to one side I did all the rubbers
• 52:37
  steering and suspension and tie rods and all of that so it's tight as you as you
• 52:44
  like, which I was thinking about that story I told on this pod a while ago about
• 52:48
  um, Um, following that, um, rematch over Laura Lee's grade, um, if I hadn't have
• 52:54
  spent all that money on the rubber at the front of the thing, I, there's no way that
• 52:59
  that Ben's would be as, as good as it is.
• 53:01
  I, uh, yeah, never did.
• 53:03
  Never was.
• 53:03
  I'm more grateful that I, uh, that I'd spent that, that I'd spent that money.
• 53:08
  So, yeah.
• 53:08
  Um, so that was the one place I looked at other place.
• 53:14
  I looked at was a closed Renault dealer.
• 53:18
  And, uh, it had less interesting stuff.
• 53:21
  It had, did you remember, um, the Peugeot 206 station wagon?
• 53:27
  The one that was like, it was like a little estate, but it
• 53:29
  was like a three door estate.
• 53:31
  There was one of those that was completely sound.
• 53:33
  It had been hit on the rear corner and it's obviously an asshole of a body
• 53:37
  repair and the car wasn't really worth it.
• 53:39
  And they just let it sit.
• 53:40
  There's one of those.
• 53:41
  There was a McGann.
• 53:42
  Convertible, which I didn't care about, but you know,
• 53:46
  the era of folding hard tops.
• 53:48
  Yes.
• 53:48
  You're you're making a rude gesture to it.
• 53:51
  Yeah.
• 53:51
  I, I, I know I was getting carried away.
• 53:53
  What I did like was there was a green Renault Laguna.
• 53:59
  Now, not that era, that first era that you and I will remember, the Mark I Laguna.
• 54:09
  This was a Mark II.
• 54:11
  I'd never really seen one in super clapped out condition
• 54:14
  before with missing wheel caps.
• 54:16
  It looked great.
• 54:17
  It looked really good.
• 54:19
  But it set me thinking about Renault Lagunas because I had that
• 54:24
  three liter 24 valve stick shift one that was really a great car.
• 54:29
  It really was a good car.
• 54:30
  Bit 90s and blobby and plasticky.
• 54:33
  Do you remember how slippy the leather was?
• 54:35
  I don't think I'd, uh, I don't think I'd still want it now, but as a contrast to A
• 54:40
  BMW 3, 2 3, which was the other thing, I could've had like an early E 36 3, 2, 3.
• 54:45
  It was faster, um, better equipped, more comfortable.
• 54:49
  It was just, you know, it was just a ton more car.
• 54:52
  And, uh, and I don't regret, I like Reno.
• 54:55
  I, I, you know, you and I both have enjoyed our Reno products.
• 54:58
  They're, um, yeah.
• 55:01
  Um.
• 55:03
  And for that reason, I was just going to pay some homage to the BTCC, Renault
• 55:12
  Laguna, because I feel like they really Oh, our menu spec, are we talking here?
• 55:17
  Yeah, well, early yellow, early they were on, they were yellow, weren't they?
• 55:22
  And then later on they went to that Nestle blend 37 and though the era of cars that
• 55:28
  was like the era of super touring when they were able to get away with like extra
• 55:32
  wings and that kind of stuff and those blend that blend 37 williams built because
• 55:39
  they had williams build the cars those williams built um super touring lagooners
• 55:45
  those are just awesome i still think the clamshell Bonnet, the way the hood goes
• 55:52
  over the headlights in that clamshell.
• 55:55
  I think that's a really great design feature.
• 56:00
  I'm maybe I'm even saying this because I was watching a salvage.
• 56:04
  Rebuild uk video the other day and they've been to a classic car auction And
• 56:10
  and the comment was at one point whilst looking at a green r plate reno laguna in
• 56:16
  similar spec to your red pool car of Much abused red pool car of many years ago.
• 56:24
  Um, the comment was i'm not even sure if that's a classic and it does just go
• 56:29
  to show it depends what your use pattern was because for me we we got so much use
• 56:36
  uh of that red laguna pool car company pool car of yours that uh or of whatever
• 56:42
  software house it was you were working out at the time microsoft training was
• 56:46
  selling at that time wasn't it but yeah whatever that fully a classic car and dude
• 56:52
  the other thing that's you ought to be bare mentioned here for the for the anyone
• 56:56
  who played With their Playstations and Megadrive's later than that, but still.
• 57:01
  Um, Toka Touring Car.
• 57:04
  Toka Touring Car.
• 57:06
  One of the bastardiest, uh, time trials that you had to do.
• 57:10
  It was one of the races you had to do for Expert.
• 57:13
  Because, obviously, we used to invest, as you know, me and the group and various
• 57:18
  others used to invest significant time in thrashing round on our consoles.
• 57:22
  Um, was in the rain on expert playing on at Thruxton in the Alan Menuh Laguna,
• 57:35
  um, that seat that we will play in a season and the final race was to win
• 57:39
  that, that race and it was a two race meeting crane, those, the, the, the
• 57:45
  curves out the back are in the pit rain.
• 57:49
  Yeah.
• 57:50
  What church and then when, yeah, before and stuff like that, those bits.
• 57:53
  It's so high speed and one mistake and you're side, you're, you're
• 57:59
  spinning off towards the tire barriers in the distance and stuff.
• 58:02
  It's horrendous.
• 58:04
  That, that back section of Thruxton is British club circuit at its very best.
• 58:11
  And I was, I was naive enough to think that culture existed everywhere.
• 58:16
  It doesn't.
• 58:16
  That's.
• 58:17
  Britain, um, we really have a special thing with circuits like Alton and
• 58:22
  Donnington and Thruxton and, and these, um, Cadwell I went to Cadwell.
• 58:30
  Cadwell is, they talk about it being like the berg ring of the north.
• 58:35
  My God.
• 58:36
  The, the, the, there's, there's one turn Mark Hill that's like
• 58:39
  downhill, and then at the bottom of the hill, it's a left turn.
• 58:43
  So you're like heavy braking downhill, like a hell of a circuit motorcycle.
• 58:47
  That's the one you must have seen.
• 58:48
  Is that the one with the jump?
• 58:49
  Yeah, with the wheelie, where you can wheelie over it.
• 58:52
  Where you can see the pictures of the sports bikes, like with
• 58:54
  the back foot 18 inches, the back wheel 18 inches off the ground.
• 58:57
  Yeah, you're actually a bit faster if you don't lean on it.
• 59:01
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't stop them.
• 59:02
  Every meeting with some picture of a guy in full leathers, looking as if
• 59:05
  he's Straight out of a movie poster, you know, fully off the ground.
• 59:10
  I actually saw a YouTube, I actually saw like a really clippy in my feed
• 59:14
  kind of thing of some bloke over egging it and the bike going up totally over
• 59:19
  the top of them, like wheelie, full wheelie and then throwing the bike away.
• 59:25
  Um, the computer game reference is well timed.
• 59:29
  We've been meaning to talk about Ross Chastain and his war running.
• 59:34
  Um, uh, fill me in because you sent me the article and I deliberately
• 59:40
  didn't read it because I was like, we'll talk about it on the pod.
• 59:43
  Fill me in with, with what, you know, and cause this was
• 59:47
  some time ago now, wasn't it?
• 59:49
  It was, I mean, basically I, I can't remember where I saw it and obviously,
• 59:52
  but anyway, I hasn't seen it.
• 59:54
  Feel free to YouTube it up.
• 59:56
  I mean, it was Ross Chastain in the last race.
• 1:00:01
  I think it was Minesville.
• 1:00:02
  Um, I, I don't know the circuit, but it was an oval as you would expect.
• 1:00:06
  But you know, the ovals can be complicated and he needed to gain.
• 1:00:11
  The TLDR, as you said earlier in the quad, is he needed to gain five places.
• 1:00:17
  And he had essentially one long left hander to do it.
• 1:00:21
  And he wasn't going to do it.
• 1:00:23
  So, he'd been playing, he, he thought back to his days of,
• 1:00:28
  you know, Lord Chidi McCheat.
• 1:00:31
  A classic, if you've played any of your, uh, stock cast stuff on, um, on Console
• 1:00:37
  of Choice, is to pin it and, uh, wall run.
• 1:00:41
  And, um, he was like, well, look, I ain't making it into the final, the
• 1:00:45
  champ four, if I don't come fifth, and, uh, or fourth, or whatever it
• 1:00:49
  was, so I need to gain five places.
• 1:00:52
  So, he just on the last, the last, the back straight.
• 1:00:55
  Just went out as close as he could to the wall, gunned it, um, and of course,
• 1:01:00
  NASCARs being NASCARs, the way those things pick up pace, and just kept it
• 1:01:04
  pinned, and just took his hands off the steering wheel, and let it wall run,
• 1:01:07
  and gained all the places, ended up running into the back of the guy, over
• 1:01:11
  the start finish, having just overtaken the bloke he needed to overtake.
• 1:01:15
  I made it into the, into the, into the final five.
• 1:01:18
  So NASCAR GameCube was his selection of choice.
• 1:01:23
  Uh, and that's where he learned it.
• 1:01:25
  And, uh, much congratulations, even from his fellow competitors who were like, WTF,
• 1:01:32
  did he just really pull that shit off?
• 1:01:34
  And unfortunately NASCAR have said that.
• 1:01:36
  Although that stood, they won't let anyone do it again.
• 1:01:40
  They're not going to change the rules, but they're going to use
• 1:01:43
  existing rules to essentially disqualify you if you do it again.
• 1:01:47
  Which, I mean, I suppose I could see where they're coming from.
• 1:01:50
  But on the other hand, it is NASCAR, um, which encouraged Rubik's racing for years.
• 1:01:56
  And it was the most exciting thing I've ever, I've seen in NASCAR in forever.
• 1:02:00
  So, it depends what you think of the sports for, I suppose.
• 1:02:04
  I think, I think it's about the most NASCAR thing ever.
• 1:02:09
  To be like, I'm behind, so I'll try this crazy stunt.
• 1:02:15
  Because, you know, it worked, it worked on a computer game.
• 1:02:19
  It might just work in real life.
• 1:02:21
  There's, there's something very NASCAR, and there's something very 21st century.
• 1:02:26
  It's it's really uh, uh, uh, maybe this is why I wanted to talk about it because
• 1:02:30
  it combines together this uh, nascar pedal to the metal, uh way of being with um,
• 1:02:39
  Yeah, I I think it's a fabulous story.
• 1:02:41
  I think it's it's It's absolutely a legendary moment.
• 1:02:45
  Um, I, I, you know, I, I, I feel my whole life.
• 1:02:49
  I want to shake Ross Chastain's hand for, for that instant thought.
• 1:02:55
  Could you, could you?
• 1:02:57
  And you did like, I, that's, that's what, what.
• 1:03:00
  So it paid off is perfect.
• 1:03:03
  He needed five places and he got five places.
• 1:03:05
  Didn't get six.
• 1:03:06
  Got five.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, that was it.
• 1:03:09
  Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  Well, what a magnificent, uh, what a magnificent thing.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  I, the, the notion of taking your hand off the steering wheel and
• 1:03:18
  just keeping your foot in the throttle is, is really a thing.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, because afterwards in the interview, like, what did you think about it?
• 1:03:28
  And he was like, well, as I was doing it, I suddenly thought, what if there's like a
• 1:03:30
  little gap or what if there's like a door or like, what if there's an access thing?
• 1:03:34
  Oh, shit, but it all worked out.
• 1:03:41
  High five to you, sir.
• 1:03:43
  So don't ask her that you're committed before you're like, well.
• 1:03:47
  There could be this or there could be that.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  It's like John McGuinness saying he doesn't like going around the
• 1:03:52
  TT course in a car because he's going slow, going that slowly.
• 1:03:57
  You notice things, obstacles and things that you don't notice at race speed.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  So my, uh, time in France was, uh, spent with this Fiat 500X.
• 1:04:13
  Are they?
• 1:04:14
  I don't think I've got one booked from Bordeaux in a few weeks.
• 1:04:16
  . Oh, you have?
• 1:04:17
  Oh, well I've got a small hatch.
• 1:04:20
  Mini be it 500 Reno.
• 1:04:22
  Funny, you, you've, you've been doing the fiesta st you said you'd
• 1:04:25
  done the fiesta St to uh, uh, uh, around, uh, to, to Goodwood there.
• 1:04:33
  I, uh, have been doing the Fiesta St.
• 1:04:37
  And I, I feel like driving the Fiesta St for a little bit.
• 1:04:40
  I've like cleaned myself with the experience of the Fiat 500 x.
• 1:04:45
  Um, and the first thing I should say is that it has 120 holes.
• 1:04:50
  And it actually does it all right.
• 1:04:54
  Does all right with that.
• 1:04:55
  It's better than you would anticipate for that.
• 1:04:57
  It's pulled beyond 90 miles.
• 1:04:59
  Now, you know, I don't want to encounter French.
• 1:05:02
  Mr.
• 1:05:03
  Plot.
• 1:05:03
  That was enough for me.
• 1:05:04
  The speedo, the speed limits, 130 people do 150 ish.
• 1:05:10
  It'll do that all day long.
• 1:05:12
  Fine.
• 1:05:13
  We had four and five adults in it, sometimes with luggage, sometimes
• 1:05:19
  without, at no point did it feel like too much and overboard and all of that.
• 1:05:24
  It was a pretty new car.
• 1:05:25
  It had like under 2000 kilometers on it, like 1800 kilometers on it.
• 1:05:30
  When I picked it up, I had about.
• 1:05:32
  3, 500 on it when I dropped it off.
• 1:05:35
  Um, I, you know, I wasn't gentle on it, but I wasn't abusive.
• 1:05:40
  Um, you know, I had an alpha one for seven years ago, the, I'll be it.
• 1:05:47
  I used it on target Floreo course, but under gentle usage, that thing
• 1:05:51
  developed noises and was clearly just shittily built, like be candid.
• 1:05:58
  Um, whereas, um, this, this was, this was not.
• 1:06:04
  Um, you know, I, I feel like I have a fairly high tolerance for plastic
• 1:06:09
  interiors and sitting here now, there's nothing wrong with the interior, but
• 1:06:13
  you know, I'm coming from a 20 year old Mustang and, and a Fiesta ST.
• 1:06:19
  So, you know, I, I, uh, you know, it's a, the infotainment, you know, we
• 1:06:26
  were looking for like, well, how long will it go before it runs out of gas?
• 1:06:30
  And it didn't seem to have that trip computer.
• 1:06:33
  Function there about it, but you know, um fundamentally it just did the job
• 1:06:37
  and was all right And you know, I guess the transmission was fine If it was it
• 1:06:42
  was that bad to drive i'd have had more to to complain about it just leaves you
• 1:06:47
  feeling a little bit underwhelmed and and disappointed and and uh, You know, I
• 1:06:53
  reached out to that youtuber chops garage.
• 1:06:56
  He has a black jaguar xf 3 liter diesel sport It was a one owner car
• 1:07:05
  that's done 160, 000 miles, full Jaguar service history, black exterior,
• 1:07:10
  black wheels, looks the absolute business, 443 foot pounds of torque.
• 1:07:17
  I, I couldn't help myself.
• 1:07:18
  I hit him up on Instagram, 3, 600 pounds.
• 1:07:24
  And I'm like, Ah, you know, I so would if I could really afford to
• 1:07:29
  piss money away, but I can't and the car I wouldn't need it until if I
• 1:07:33
  was going to do Le Mans next year.
• 1:07:36
  So I'm like, ah, can't do that car.
• 1:07:40
  But in comparison to this Fiat 500, I was just thinking.
• 1:07:45
  That Jaguar, the, uh, the, the, the whole time I was obsessed by the, that Reno
• 1:07:51
  clear the, by the Shaad, by the 1916 bow.
• 1:07:55
  It wasn't a shaad, it was a hatchback.
• 1:07:57
  I was obsessed by that for a bit, to the extent that I went
• 1:08:00
  onto a European website, like a European, or what's it called?
• 1:08:04
  I'll, I'll look it up on my phone.
• 1:08:06
  But I went on to, um.
• 1:08:08
  I went on to a website and like, it's called auto scout 24.
• 1:08:13
  That's apparently the place to look for cheap cars across Europe.
• 1:08:17
  I went on there.
• 1:08:18
  Um, there's, there's half a dozen, um, 1916 valves.
• 1:08:23
  And I was looking at them and thinking, you know what, you know, maybe they're
• 1:08:27
  not as rare as I thought they were.
• 1:08:29
  Um, how much horsepower do you think they have?
• 1:08:32
  Do you think it had?
• 1:08:33
  Take a guess.
• 1:08:34
  Don't Google it.
• 1:08:35
  Just pull a number out of your ass.
• 1:08:42
  I don't know.
• 1:08:43
  I mean, the thing that would have made it zippy would have been
• 1:08:46
  that it would have been light.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Not that it would have had lots of horsepower.
• 1:08:48
  Well, and, and, what we thought was, we thought my Cortina 1.
• 1:08:55
  6 with 75 horsepower was pretty Yeah, well, I was gonna guess 85
• 1:09:01
  or 90 about what my, um, Sierra 2.
• 1:09:04
  0 liter had.
• 1:09:05
  Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Which was I think 90.
• 1:09:08
  135.
• 1:09:09
  God damn.
• 1:09:10
  It would have been meaningfully fast then.
• 1:09:13
  It would have been.
• 1:09:13
  But next to your Fiesta.
• 1:09:15
  Next to your Fiesta ST.
• 1:09:18
  This is the, I mean, look, the, it would've been quick.
• 1:09:22
  It would still be quick.
• 1:09:23
  I mean, like, it would feel fun and fast and like rattle canny and therefore more
• 1:09:29
  intense in the same way as like if you're get a go-kart or on a motorbike or a bit.
• 1:09:33
  Now I wish I, now I wish on a off him.
• 1:09:36
  Now you're making me wish I'd tried to buy it off him again.
• 1:09:40
  . I mean, but I, dude, I feel you on the, uh, on the cards.
• 1:09:43
  I mean, I'll be annoyed in the little dirt box of whatever they give me anyway, but.
• 1:09:47
  Uh, I always want something of the country that I'm coming from, so I'm hoping,
• 1:09:50
  whatever it is, it's French, not Italian.
• 1:09:52
  I'm hoping it's the Renfrew or the Park or whatever.
• 1:09:54
  Yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I was promised, Sixth promised me a Peugeot 308.
• 1:10:00
  And I was keen for that and they had 208s, but with hindsight,
• 1:10:03
  that would have been too small.
• 1:10:07
  That is the challenge, especially with like on family, but like, um,
• 1:10:11
  all road lead to that black Jaguar.
• 1:10:16
  I'm telling you.
• 1:10:17
  Well, this is why when I was discussing the French thing with Angie and I was
• 1:10:21
  like, I can't bear coming back here regularly, which we will be having some
• 1:10:25
  shitty ass rental car all the time.
• 1:10:28
  And the solution to that.
• 1:10:29
  is just keep the ST because the ST and have it here and the ST wouldn't be it
• 1:10:35
  would be great in the south of France and near the Pyrenees rose but it's
• 1:10:38
  right it's left it's right hand drive I need a left hand drive so you know
• 1:10:42
  have that here you know and um yeah it's Angie's car anyway so she's fully
• 1:10:46
  familiar and comfortable and happy with it so therefore I don't want to sell
• 1:10:49
  it I love it and and the values are gonna The values are going to turn.
• 1:10:57
  I, I, it is a five star classic.
• 1:11:00
  Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  I mean, I know you said on one of your tweets that I, you
• 1:11:03
  know, it's the car's fault.
• 1:11:04
  It's like, so it's a Euro shit box fast.
• 1:11:07
  It's sublime.
• 1:11:07
  And that is true.
• 1:11:08
  And it's not actually crap.
• 1:11:10
  You know, it's Around town, it's just a normal hatchback car.
• 1:11:16
  It's just basically fine, comfortable, efficient, does everything.
• 1:11:19
  You know, good MPG, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:21
  Like, pretty much everything you want.
• 1:11:22
  All the electric mod cons, all the bits and bobs.
• 1:11:25
  But you are not wrong that when you take it out and you go from doing three
• 1:11:30
  and a half thousand revs before you're shifting gear to 6, 000 minutes before
• 1:11:34
  you're shifting gear and you're hustling it through the the sexy little six speed
• 1:11:38
  box god damn is it is it a beautiful way the way when you turn in you come
• 1:11:45
  in the gas and it just hunkers down and as you pass the apex you like exit the
• 1:11:50
  turn with it being like what you mean i could have gone through 20 miles an
• 1:11:53
  hour faster and you'll think Exactly.
• 1:11:56
  This is unbelievable.
• 1:11:58
  This is, this is, suddenly, it's gone from being like a boring hatchback
• 1:12:03
  to being like a track car, to being a car that can hang, not just
• 1:12:08
  at the nerve burger ring at spa.
• 1:12:10
  It can, uh, like it can turn in at insane speeds and it feels good.
• 1:12:16
  Yeah.
• 1:12:16
  I passed, um, uh, at Spa in the Magan or the Rs Magan first
• 1:12:23
  generation s, well not first generation, but like the previous St.
• 1:12:27
  So the little boxy sort of version of the previous version being
• 1:12:31
  hustled around the pedald around there at high, high velocity.
• 1:12:35
  Um, I passed him.
• 1:12:36
  They were having a great time.
• 1:12:37
  I passed him and then let him repa.
• 1:12:39
  'cause I realized I could learn from his lines.
• 1:12:42
  He had, he was quick.
• 1:12:43
  Yeah, he had better lines than me.
• 1:12:45
  That follow, watching that?
• 1:12:47
  'cause it was an English registered car, wasn't it?
• 1:12:49
  Following that car round, I was thinking to myself, this could
• 1:12:53
  really, it can really hang, you know, it really, it, I was having to
• 1:12:58
  feather a little bit on the straits.
• 1:13:01
  That was all, you know?
• 1:13:03
  Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  To, to keep him, uh, to keep him ahead and learn his, uh, learn his lines.
• 1:13:08
  Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  All right.
• 1:13:11
  Cool.
• 1:13:11
  All right, so quickfire.
• 1:13:13
  What's your favorite car right now?
• 1:13:18
  Um, I do want one, as I say, I want one of these Alpha Quadrifoglios.
• 1:13:24
  Um, that's quite looming large.
• 1:13:27
  And then I also, at the other end of the spectrum, when I was last, well, oh yeah,
• 1:13:33
  when I was down, um, in France last, there was a sort of horrible colored,
• 1:13:39
  I can't remember what it was, a sort of weird maroon y brown, Renault 21 Turbo.
• 1:13:45
  That I quite coveted.
• 1:13:47
  Like my neighbor's ass.
• 1:13:48
  I quite coveted it.
• 1:13:51
  It was, it, it's, There's a German company that does, when we were at the
• 1:13:55
  ring, remember that, there was that Audi.
• 1:13:57
  that had been done by Stanceworks.
• 1:14:00
  And the sort of, the word, the name says it all.
• 1:14:02
  It sat like a fucking boss.
• 1:14:04
  Like that, I don't particularly like the particular Audi, I can't remember
• 1:14:07
  exactly which one it was, but God damn, it looked amazing, what they'd
• 1:14:10
  done with it, with the rims and the stands and the kit and everything.
• 1:14:13
  Well, that 21 sat roguishly at the side of the grey.
• 1:14:17
  And I passed it a couple of days in a row and thought, That is
• 1:14:20
  a cool car, I would have that.
• 1:14:21
  Yeah.
• 1:14:22
  I have a super soft spot for I don't know what it is about Renault turbo cars.
• 1:14:29
  I have a super soft spot.
• 1:14:31
  Um, I love the 21 turbo.
• 1:14:35
  Um, I remember the launch commercial, the car was red.
• 1:14:39
  They used I, uh, feel free.
• 1:14:43
  Do you remember that?
• 1:14:44
  It was, is it cream?
• 1:14:46
  Um, is it a cream sun that is 175 horse black leather interior.
• 1:14:52
  I actually have a search of them on, on gum tree.
• 1:14:56
  Um, it like pops in every now and again, there's a few in Britain,
• 1:15:01
  but yeah, I'm sure more in France.
• 1:15:03
  Um, also, do you remember when we were at DHS years ago, Helen
• 1:15:11
  Marden, you remember that girl?
• 1:15:14
  I went with her and looked at a Renault 18 Turbo in Was that the
• 1:15:21
  one where you dolled yourself up in suits and went to test driving?
• 1:15:24
  No, that was a Sierra Cosworth.
• 1:15:27
  Oh yes.
• 1:15:27
  I drove a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth with her, right.
• 1:15:31
  And we had this whole thing worked out where we acted
• 1:15:33
  like we were a young family.
• 1:15:35
  You know, it was really The Sapphire now is the bargain Cosworth, but that
• 1:15:39
  one that I sent you the pictures of at Goodwood, that was 60 K the RS 500.
• 1:15:43
  Oh, the i I rs five hundreds have entered stupid territory, haven't they?
• 1:15:50
  Um, the sapphires for me, what I drove, uh, F plate.
• 1:15:58
  Gunmetal, Sapphire two wheel drive, for me, that is the car
• 1:16:03
  that, that I would, would want.
• 1:16:06
  And I tell myself that the Fiesta has about the same power as it had.
• 1:16:10
  I tell myself that, and then I was watching Salvage Rebuilds UK, and
• 1:16:15
  they're at an auction, and there is a grey early one there, that, until
• 1:16:19
  they opened the hood, and it had all been cheesed up under the hood.
• 1:16:22
  Um, you know, that car was, was, I don't give a shit if it's got a bad history.
• 1:16:27
  You know, those cars have bad histories.
• 1:16:29
  Were I a collector, I would have one.
• 1:16:32
  Were I, you know, were I able to bring, um, you know, proper resources to
• 1:16:37
  bear, I'd buy a nice example of it.
• 1:16:41
  And, you know, I'd drive it, you'd drive it, it'd sit right,
• 1:16:45
  it'd be in a storage place.
• 1:16:46
  We'd have one.
• 1:16:48
  We'd, um.
• 1:16:48
  Okay, well, I mean, if the, if the crypto does go to the moon.
• 1:16:52
  Then, um, uh, we could go halves on one because they're not the, the
• 1:16:56
  sapphires haven't left the building yet.
• 1:16:58
  Harry was at Silverson's, um, classic auctions recently.
• 1:17:02
  And there was one, I think 20 to 30, 20 to 25.
• 1:17:06
  It was a Sapphire Cosmo in pre min.
• 1:17:08
  That's the one.
• 1:17:11
  That's the one that you, you'd want you, because you know, and, and yeah,
• 1:17:15
  you, I would definitely go harvests.
• 1:17:18
  Go harvest.
• 1:17:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:20
  The thing is money me too hard to get me into it.
• 1:17:23
  The other thing is, is when money's cheap, to borrow a gain, borrowing money to
• 1:17:27
  do something like that isn't so stupid.
• 1:17:30
  Because if you only pay off the.
• 1:17:32
  So what the car's still going to be worth whatever you paid for it.
• 1:17:36
  If not more than that Should you ever need to part with it?
• 1:17:39
  So there's interesting jiggery pokery you can do with nice
• 1:17:43
  classic cars We shitty one.
• 1:17:45
  It's not so much but we know and that's the other reason I want the place in front
• 1:17:48
  I'll have space because but thrown in is the fact that you've probably got a two
• 1:17:53
  car garage Garage, whatever you want to call it and the fact that you can pretty
• 1:17:57
  easily put a sort of wouldn't, you know, outside wall this kind of place in to
• 1:18:04
  get another sort of three or four cars in and whilst you're at it, probably
• 1:18:07
  dig an inspection pit in there as well.
• 1:18:10
  So when I went with Helen to look at the 18 turbo, it was red.
• 1:18:17
  It had, it was a mark one.
• 1:18:19
  It had those straight wheels, like your dad's.
• 1:18:22
  Remember your dad had that Fuego GTX and it had the same wheels on it.
• 1:18:27
  Uh, Renault, absolute, a piece of Renault design genius in my humble.
• 1:18:33
  When this, this, this 18 had lost drive shafts, which killed most of those cars.
• 1:18:38
  Right.
• 1:18:39
  Looking back, such a silly thing to lose them for, but it was a asshole job.
• 1:18:43
  Devon mechanics weren't keen to work on the car when it had
• 1:18:47
  been moved to the breakers yard.
• 1:18:49
  They'd craned it and they'd craned the roof and they pinched the roof.
• 1:18:54
  So the roof was crushed in.
• 1:18:56
  So this car was in the auto trade at 175 pounds.
• 1:19:02
  And because the roof was crushed in, I remember the guy saying to
• 1:19:06
  me, I couldn't sell you that car.
• 1:19:08
  Like that is not the car for you, mate.
• 1:19:10
  And, oh man, I wish I'd said to him, no, sir.
• 1:19:15
  There are many people in Plymouth who can weld and can beat that straight.
• 1:19:21
  I am confident in my own taste that one day, many years from now, people
• 1:19:28
  will say a red Renault 18 turbo.
• 1:19:32
  That is the pinnacle of Radwood cool.
• 1:19:37
  I too don't like red, but.
• 1:19:40
  I mean, what, uh, talk about, talk about one that should not have, uh, Oh,
• 1:19:46
  dude, like I might've even mentioned before on this thing that, that,
• 1:19:50
  that Angie's housemates, Renault five sort of dark silver turbo GT turbo.
• 1:19:56
  They had that I could have had off them for about 1800 quid.
• 1:20:00
  And I just didn't, I had two, didn't have two brass bathing
• 1:20:03
  at the time to run together.
• 1:20:05
  Um, but, uh, mark two I would've liked.
• 1:20:07
  It was a Mark two, wasn't it?
• 1:20:08
  It wasn't, it was like a second generation.
• 1:20:11
  I remember the car, but I still, yeah, I mean, you know.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah, yeah, I remember that and feeling that because they were 10 a penny
• 1:20:18
  at the time, it was frustrating, but you had to, but you had to let it go.
• 1:20:23
  Um, you know, the other car we looked at around about that period
• 1:20:26
  was that bloke who ran the bacon sandwich van near your office.
• 1:20:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:33
  Volvo 740 turbo.
• 1:20:37
  Those have come into their own, haven't they?
• 1:20:39
  And we didn't have it because it had been towing its whole life
• 1:20:42
  and we were put off by that.
• 1:20:44
  As if we were, we'd also done like 180 K or something issue as, as
• 1:20:48
  if we weren't put off by the fact that it was utterly clapped out.
• 1:20:52
  We were put absolutely fucked.
• 1:20:54
  Yeah.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Again, right?
• 1:20:57
  Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Again, a tragedy that, that one that I haven't got away and we should do an,
• 1:21:01
  well, that man made a fine bacon sandwich.
• 1:21:04
  Let me give him his dew.
• 1:21:05
  Let's just pause right and just almost have a moment.
• 1:21:08
  Silence.
• 1:21:10
  Certainly from this side of the pond for that man's bacon sandwiches.
• 1:21:15
  That Volvo made noble sacrifice towing the wagon which turned out
• 1:21:22
  bacon sandwiches of that kind.
• 1:21:25
  Nothing complicated about him.
• 1:21:26
  Cut, cut loaf, it wasn't a cut loaf, he had proper loaf and he doorsteps
• 1:21:31
  off with his, with his, with his knife.
• 1:21:33
  Give you a couple of nice bits of a fresh English white tin,
• 1:21:37
  crusty tin sandwich there, sir.
• 1:21:40
  One piece of bacon in each half of the thing.
• 1:21:42
  Nothing complicated, but it was thick cut from a local farm where
• 1:21:46
  he knew the bloke and Oh, . Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Um, I, I would, I need an SUV 'cause my son's got his motorcycle
• 1:21:56
  now and, you know, pickup's open.
• 1:21:59
  You live in San Central San Francisco of course.
• 1:22:01
  So obviously I started out sensibly looking at Tahoes and that rapidly
• 1:22:05
  degenerated onto government deals, websites, looking for x.
• 1:22:10
  Police pursuit vehicle, Tahoe's.
• 1:22:13
  It's two wheel drive with the motor you could.
• 1:22:16
  Um, so I was looking at those and then for a while, but then I hit upon the
• 1:22:22
  most sensible SUV I could possibly think of I've long wanted, uh, AMG 63 motor.
• 1:22:32
  And previously I'd thought about E classes or something like that,
• 1:22:37
  but, but why, why not just wrap?
• 1:22:41
  Why not use this as the opportunity, the SUV as the opportunity to get the
• 1:22:47
  63 motor, ML63s, early high mile ones.
• 1:22:53
  They're only 10 or 15, 000 now.
• 1:22:56
  What, what could possibly go wrong?
• 1:22:59
  What could possibly go wrong with a old hot rod Benz?
• 1:23:08
  Oh, nothing.
• 1:23:09
  I can't see is anything could cost you more than about time
• 1:23:12
  and satany to repair on that.
• 1:23:14
  Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  Um, yeah.
• 1:23:16
  So what with the fact that I have my tame Mercedes mechanic.
• 1:23:22
  Um, total shout out guys, a total legend and knows Mercedes.
• 1:23:28
  If you are in the Northern California area, Hugh Winko in San
• 1:23:33
  Francisco is, uh, is your man for old Mercedes with him on board.
• 1:23:39
  I'd do it.
• 1:23:41
  Whenever you say to him, uh, should I buy some old, scary, fast old Mercedes?
• 1:23:47
  Um, he always goes, Hmm.
• 1:23:50
  Yeah.
• 1:23:53
  And you can see him buying himself another 15 years of custom.
• 1:23:57
  Yeah, well, exactly.
• 1:23:58
  Right.
• 1:23:58
  I know that's what he's thinking.
• 1:24:00
  But I'm also not wanting to buy something that he doesn't want to work on.
• 1:24:04
  You know, you have to be paying for that.
• 1:24:09
  Anyway, so my favorite at the moment is the ML63.
• 1:24:12
  Um, you own a chateau in France.
• 1:24:15
  What's in the stables?
• 1:24:19
  Because, you know, it's a chateau, it's a chateau.
• 1:24:22
  You've got loads of room.
• 1:24:23
  What's in there?
• 1:24:24
  Tell me some of the stuff that's in there.
• 1:24:27
  I mean, not horses.
• 1:24:28
  Several, several dirt bikes, um, cause I now own a Chateau and
• 1:24:33
  I've got land to ride around on.
• 1:24:35
  Um, I'd have a Delta Integrale before they've completely left the building.
• 1:24:39
  You can probably pick one up in France and they're all left
• 1:24:42
  hookers anyway, so why not?
• 1:24:45
  Colour.
• 1:24:49
  White.
• 1:24:50
  Nice.
• 1:24:51
  I think.
• 1:24:52
  Nice.
• 1:24:54
  Great.
• 1:24:54
  Because then it would look cool with the spatters of dirt from the drive
• 1:24:57
  up it all the soul of the time.
• 1:24:59
  Yes.
• 1:24:59
  Um, uh, and then at the moment, I do a 612 on a stick.
• 1:25:06
  Oh, the international cruising.
• 1:25:09
  Yeah.
• 1:25:10
  Yeah.
• 1:25:11
  Um, I would do, uh, the bike, all of the sports bikes with like nice
• 1:25:17
  paving, um, mm-hmm, , I would do the most interesting vehicle I saw
• 1:25:25
  the whole time I was in France.
• 1:25:26
  This electric BMW moped.
• 1:25:29
  I really want one of those.
• 1:25:30
  I really loved it to have one of those.
• 1:25:32
  So I'd have one of those in the, in the chat.
• 1:25:35
  Um, I would do, I feel like if you've got a place like that, um, you, uh, well, I
• 1:25:42
  don't know, I'd, I'd be inclined to do.
• 1:25:45
  Your imagination runs wild.
• 1:25:47
  Um, let me as uh, I see the time is, is creeping on.
• 1:25:53
  Um, what is the most air you've ever gotten?
• 1:25:56
  What car?
• 1:25:57
  When?
• 1:25:57
  Where?
• 1:25:58
  Who?
• 1:25:58
  Where?
• 1:25:58
  What?
• 1:25:59
  When?
• 1:25:59
  How?
• 1:26:01
  Either, um, that two liter, uh, Cut New Age styled Ford Focus that I had from
• 1:26:12
  Redstone from Fastnet before it became Redstone and the bridge to Bramley where
• 1:26:18
  if you jumped it one way, you might, if you were a hypothetical friend of mine,
• 1:26:23
  break a TT transaxle, um, potentially, you know, that could happen theoretically.
• 1:26:29
  It didn't happen, obviously, because that wouldn't have happened
• 1:26:30
  to a company car with the Cisco rep sitting in the passenger seat
• 1:26:33
  with his head on the ceiling.
• 1:26:35
  Uh, that didn't happen but it might have happened but it didn't but if that had
• 1:26:39
  happened that bridge going the other way I got about a foot a foot in a bit.
• 1:26:44
  I told my buddy who I think is still at cisco now Um when he had his
• 1:26:49
  westfield when we were coming on the back roads To, uh, around, um,
• 1:26:56
  that place we lived at just south of, uh, Reading, what's it called?
• 1:26:59
  Um, near the, uh, the common.
• 1:27:01
  Aldermaston.
• 1:27:03
  Aldermaston.
• 1:27:04
  Um, the road south of there, there was a back road bridge.
• 1:27:08
  And I said to Stu, who was fully foot in the floor of that little Westfield
• 1:27:12
  kit car that you think he had.
• 1:27:14
  Um, he had his foot through the firewall and I said to him as we
• 1:27:16
  approached the little bridge, bridge, over jump, meaning dude, slow down.
• 1:27:21
  And he thought I meant over jump as in I was repeating
• 1:27:23
  things from Conor McRae rally.
• 1:27:24
  And it was a joke and, uh, kept his foot in.
• 1:27:28
  And we went over the bridge at a rapid rate of knots.
• 1:27:32
  Um, and, uh, I don't remember, I don't know how high we were, but it felt high.
• 1:27:36
  And I remember looking down through the windscreen at the front road and
• 1:27:40
  there was this horrible grinding.
• 1:27:41
  And when we stopped after bouncing a bit, um, Stu got out looking pretty worried.
• 1:27:46
  And, uh, what it was, was he, we'd ground the front number plate against
• 1:27:50
  the road as he slid down it like that.
• 1:27:53
  And the car was fine.
• 1:27:55
  No problem at all.
• 1:27:56
  Just some, some artistic scuffs to the number plate.
• 1:28:00
  So I suspect that was probably the highest.
• 1:28:01
  So technically I was on the passenger seat for that.
• 1:28:04
  That is a good story.
• 1:28:06
  I'd never heard, uh, I'd never heard that one before.
• 1:28:09
  It makes, uh Stuff like that makes, uh, makes doing this, uh, this pod
• 1:28:13
  feel, uh, feel kind of worthwhile.
• 1:28:16
  Um, mine was at your wedding.
• 1:28:21
  Do you, or the stag dude, do you remember I had that Alfa Brera rental car, red 2.
• 1:28:28
  4 litre diesel manual, and the house you were living in.
• 1:28:32
  The Puglis Pardo rear seat.
• 1:28:34
  Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 1:28:36
  Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  Um, the house you were living in at the time, um, just on the way out of the
• 1:28:41
  town, like towards the A4, um, there was a humpback bridge, wasn't there?
• 1:28:46
  Oh yeah, a kitten bridge.
• 1:28:47
  If you got the angle right.
• 1:28:50
  If you sort of straight lined it which you could do at night because you could
• 1:28:54
  tell lights were coming the other way If you straight lined it you could
• 1:28:58
  hit it really hard and living there being with you for a week or so I got
• 1:29:03
  used to driving that road and and I hit that bridge really hard And and it
• 1:29:08
  felt like it felt like I was the bloody jukes a hazard in that moment, right?
• 1:29:13
  um really it was uh, all right, um The best race you ever saw Um, what live
• 1:29:24
  some of the stuff at Goodwood various races has been utterly spectacular,
• 1:29:27
  especially at the end of the day on a Sunday where the sun's streaming through
• 1:29:30
  the trees on the other side of the track down towards fordwater and stuff.
• 1:29:33
  It's just gorgeous, but some of the best races I watched that race.
• 1:29:37
  I can't remember where it was, but it was in Italy where Rossi passed, um.
• 1:29:45
  Uh, Lorenzo, at the last corner, and lost the front and the back, and caught
• 1:29:50
  them both, at a corner where is not a passing place, and won the race.
• 1:29:55
  That Moe GP race was one of the finest races I've ever watched.
• 1:29:58
  Moe GP features in actually for quite a lot of some of
• 1:30:01
  the best races I've ever seen.
• 1:30:02
  That race between Rossi and um, Stoner at Laguna Seca, where he went off into the
• 1:30:09
  gravel and it was just pass, pass, pass.
• 1:30:11
  The Ducati was faster and Rossi could pass him through the corners, but
• 1:30:14
  couldn't hang with him down the straight.
• 1:30:16
  So Stoner, Casey would get him every time.
• 1:30:18
  And then, I mean, Rossi was knees and elbows and riding
• 1:30:22
  the curbs and everything.
• 1:30:24
  And it was a real shame that stoner ran off into the gravel at the end
• 1:30:27
  of the lap at the end of like lap 10 or 12 or something because it's
• 1:30:29
  sport the rest of the race, but some of those races was amazing.
• 1:30:34
  Yeah.
• 1:30:35
  Yeah, you've you've a good memory for the MotoGP races.
• 1:30:38
  Um, I think, uh, I, you know, what comes to mind, we went to see British
• 1:30:46
  touring car in the epic period.
• 1:30:49
  We were talking about the Lagunas and, and, uh, I, I feel like.
• 1:30:55
  To see that, that was super close racing.
• 1:30:58
  I can't remember a specific race, but that was probably the best, the best
• 1:31:03
  racing that I've ever seen, uh, uh, live.
• 1:31:07
  I mean, some of the stuff, you remember Gabriele Tarquini in that um, that alpha
• 1:31:11
  that he used, in the pissing rain, he would accelerate his way back straight.
• 1:31:16
  Yeah.
• 1:31:16
  With the front wheel drive.
• 1:31:18
  Oh, tip of the hat.
• 1:31:20
  Yeah.
• 1:31:21
  I'm actually the, the memory of those.
• 1:31:25
  Is it one five, five touring car?
• 1:31:27
  That's yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Well, that was the car that sort of broke touring car.
• 1:31:30
  Wasn't it?
• 1:31:31
  It took them away from narrow body, narrow tire to being like crazy.
• 1:31:36
  hot rods.
• 1:31:36
  The cars really, really changed at that point.
• 1:31:40
  Um, my, my memory is, uh, um, Silverstone when it rained
• 1:31:49
  and we got stuck in the field
• 1:31:54
  in my Vectra.
• 1:31:54
  I just remember my company Vectra.
• 1:31:57
  And just being stuck in the field and just being like, this is such a
• 1:32:01
  Silverstone moment, but so insane.
• 1:32:04
  And just for the record, we weren't the ones who were stuck.
• 1:32:07
  It was people, the, the, the entrance to the field gets muddy and then people get
• 1:32:11
  their cars stuck pulling out of the field.
• 1:32:14
  So we weren't stuck.
• 1:32:15
  Other people got stuck.
• 1:32:16
  We just had to wait for the tractors to come to, to pull them out.
• 1:32:20
  But we didn't like leave the circuit till 11 o'clock at
• 1:32:22
  night or some kind of craziness.
• 1:32:24
  Did we?
• 1:32:24
  It was totally.
• 1:32:26
  Well, that happened to me on Metallica gig at Donington a few, um, some
• 1:32:29
  years later and I just slept in the car and left the next morning.
• 1:32:34
  I didn't even, I just pulled on the handbrake where I was
• 1:32:37
  and just turned the car off.
• 1:32:39
  And like other people pretty quickly realized I wasn't moving
• 1:32:42
  anymore and just drove around me.
• 1:32:43
  And I think we left at like 8 a.
• 1:32:45
  m.
• 1:32:45
  the next day.
• 1:32:46
  As a result directly of what happened at Silverstone, I thought,
• 1:32:49
  I'm not doing that shit again.
• 1:32:50
  I'm just going to check out of this as early as possible and accept I don't need
• 1:32:54
  to be anywhere until lunchtime tomorrow.
• 1:32:56
  I'm staying here.
• 1:32:57
  Good thinking.
• 1:32:58
  Good thinking.
• 1:33:00
  Best corner you ever stood at.
• 1:33:05
  I'll go first.
• 1:33:06
  Do you remember one day we decided to take a day off work and that we
• 1:33:12
  would follow the RAC rally in Wales?
• 1:33:16
  Yeah, I was probably going to come to the same corner conclusion.
• 1:33:20
  And we were like, oh, we'll follow and we'll do this and we'll do that.
• 1:33:24
  We hiked through the woods and we found that piece where we were
• 1:33:28
  standing where, when the first, like when the Colin McRae's and so on came
• 1:33:33
  through, they threw stones at us.
• 1:33:36
  And we made the great decision to cross the road not realizing that there was
• 1:33:41
  ditch on the inside and we were like scrambling up the inside when bruno
• 1:33:45
  sabi came by like as far away As he must have been three feet away from
• 1:33:53
  us as we were struggling up the bank.
• 1:33:56
  Uh, what a moment I remember standing there thinking I
• 1:34:00
  can't get out of the way here.
• 1:34:01
  I'm just gonna have to get out to get as far back as I can
• 1:34:03
  without falling down this ditch.
• 1:34:05
  And he came fast with the headlights on us and drifted
• 1:34:09
  past us within two or three feet.
• 1:34:12
  Yeah.
• 1:34:12
  Yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Because before that you were cankering and sprayed us with gravel.
• 1:34:15
  That was why we knew.
• 1:34:16
  You know, wow, I just got sprayed.
• 1:34:17
  It was like, it was like, yeah, because we were still on the outside.
• 1:34:20
  Yeah.
• 1:34:21
  So Sabi came through and I remember then we attained the top of the bank.
• 1:34:24
  We were there for a little bit and then no other cars came through.
• 1:34:28
  And we were like, oh, yeah, uh, and we walked up the track and
• 1:34:33
  then there was that Subaru halfway down the cliff held in the trees.
• 1:34:37
  Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  Yeah.
• 1:34:39
  Yeah.
• 1:34:40
  Yeah.
• 1:34:40
  Roll down the thing got stopped by the saplings.
• 1:34:42
  And then rolled on down the hill.
• 1:34:44
  Yeah.
• 1:34:45
  That was pretty intense.
• 1:34:47
  I was also shitting myself.
• 1:34:48
  Well, yeah, because it was all dark, always dark.
• 1:34:50
  Oh, so dark, wasn't it?
• 1:34:52
  Yeah.
• 1:34:53
  Yeah.
• 1:34:55
  Yeah.
• 1:34:55
  That's, that's the, the thing with, maybe that's what's changed about motorsport
• 1:35:00
  is the, the, um, there was a wildness about what could happen, wasn't there?
• 1:35:08
  And that made it, um, that made it attractive.
• 1:35:14
  Yeah, I mean, we made some dumbass mistakes in terms of what we did for
• 1:35:16
  that, but nevertheless, um, and also these days everyone's carrying a torch
• 1:35:21
  and a camera and a video recorder and a tracking device and all that sort of stuff
• 1:35:24
  on them, which of course we didn't have.
• 1:35:27
  Well, lucky we can tell the stories, Mark.
• 1:35:32
  And that's a nice way to wrap it up, isn't it?
• 1:35:34
  Because, uh, I'm going to end with a thought that you were talking about
• 1:35:38
  visiting, um, Modena and, uh, you know, Ferrari is a guy full of interesting
• 1:35:46
  quotes and thoughts and so on, and remember, at the end, Ferrari's
• 1:35:50
  great fear was losing the memories.
• 1:35:54
  That was the fear, forgetting what was.
• 1:35:59
  So, uh, yeah, so on that note, we've preserved what has
• 1:36:03
  been of our recent history.
• 1:36:06
  Um, see you next time.
• 1:36:08
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