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Your Own Aeroplane for the Price of a New Car - The FLYER Show - 8 October 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_05: This is the Flyer Show in podcast form from the team at Flyer.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's your weekly dose of German aviation news, views, and flying chat.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_05: In this episode, we'll be looking at how you can get an aeroplane instead of a brand new car.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_05: They can be roughly the same price.
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  SPEAKER_05: Plus, there's usual obsc there's usual observations, digressions, and opinion from the team.
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  SPEAKER_05: So if you like aeroplanes, airfields, airspace, and the world that surrounds them, you're in the right place.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_05: Hello and welcome to this week's Flyer Show from Wadsweg.
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  SPEAKER_05: My name's Ian Steeger, I'm EdHicks, and I'm Dave Corderwood.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_05: In this week's show, we'll be looking at how much it actually costs to buy an airplane and whether you can get one for the same price as an average car, plus all sorts of other bits and pieces.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Rob from Sky Demon, and here's another top tip.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have to say I like the idea of 3D map, and you know that bit when you're going to somewhere new that you haven't been for a while and you go, yeah, let me let me go fly this on Google Earth first.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_05: I like the idea of it, but I don't think I've ever well, maybe I've done it once or twice, but I don't really it's it's a useful thing.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_05: It is a useful thing.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously you can debrief as well, can't you?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: You do it Sky Demon will give you an output file that allows you to fly on fly your fly where you've been after the fact.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't if you I don't if you remember, back in the early days when you learnt to fly, yeah.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_05: One of my eternal fears was not actually being able to find an airfield because I couldn't spot them for like now.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's much, much easier.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_05: There's airfields I go to that I've been going to for 30 years that sometimes I go, where is it?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_05: I quite fly along quite a lot and get to say to someone like, Oh, look, there's so and so over there, and they're all looking at me, you mad, I can't see it at all.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_05: But you kind of get in tune with it.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, there you go.
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  SPEAKER_05: Top tip, 3D mapping.
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  SPEAKER_05: Take a look at it.
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• 2:52
  SPEAKER_05: Henry's chapter markers have revolutionized the way this works, I think.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_05: So there you go.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_05: Well, revolutionized are probably a bit strong.
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  SPEAKER_03: You mean you can scroll it forwards?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can go.
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to listen to these three people whibbling on about God knows what.
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• 3:26
  SPEAKER_05: So thank you very much.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_05: Right, shall we have some news?
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Let's go for some news.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I'm up first, unfortunately.
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  SPEAKER_05: This is uh a bit of a sad story, but last week on the 1st of October there was an accident with a pre-delivery Elixir that was being tested by two production pilots.
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  SPEAKER_05: They took off from La Rochelle and uh at a local airfield, whether we're doing some touch it goes or Rochefort, uh they had a fatal accident.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, no details on it at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, but whatever it was, that led to Elixir themselves grounding the entire fleet, which is you know, over 60 aircraft, and a day or two later, a day later, I think, EARSA came in with an emergency AD supporting that saying no, the fleet is grounded.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so still an investigation clearly going on by the BEA, which is the French version of AAIB.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and there's there's been no updates, as I said.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_05: There's been no updates, no.
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  SPEAKER_03: UK C EA has also followed that uh EASA EAD as well.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_05: I haven't found one in the US yet, um, but I don't think there's that many aircraft in the US at the moment, and I suspect they're still grounded because of the manufacturer's bulletin as well.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: So we'll keep you posted with that, but uh it's pretty unusual to see an entire fleet grounded.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thoughts are obviously with the the people at Exo who are kind of reading not only from that issue, but obviously from the the traumatic thing of losing a couple of colleagues.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it's a small team as well, it uh that uh big.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: Not a bit of sad news, we've lost another airfield.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh admittedly, this one's mainly a gliding site.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's it's called Wormingford Airfield, it's in Essex.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's brought to the end, uh to an end, 36 years as a home of Essex and Suffolk gliding club.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and the final gliders left on Sunday, the 27th of September, when the club's lease came to an end.
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  SPEAKER_03: The club dates you know goes back to 1990 when they first flew from there, and apparently hundreds of pilots uh flew there and generations of members made their first solo flights there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh the club is continuing and it's looking for a new home.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh so members at the moment are using other airfields around.
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  SPEAKER_03: The airfield is about six miles northwest of Colchester.
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  SPEAKER_03: It actually would have been quite a good place for um for for general aviation.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_04: Do we do we know why the lease wasn't renewed?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I it comes I think it's kind of come down to planning in that uh it's not so much for houses this one.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're talking about in expanding in the industrial units that are already on the s parts of the site.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Apparently there's a crisp factory there.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_03: Crisp factory.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: A crisp factory, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um bit of a shame because it's an old airfield, it actually dates back to World War One and uh when Britain was defending itself against Zeppelin raids.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's uh very old airfield.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: And like we say, when you lose an airfield, it's not replaced.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's tough to get tough to get a new one, isn't it?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um some good news, luckily.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um Mike O'Donohue, who was formerly chief executive of uh the General Aviation Safety Council, or GASCO as we knew it.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh obviously GASCO uh wound down uh earlier this year.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but Mike has taken up the uh the General Aviation Program Programme Manager role at CHIRP.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh CHIRP, if you're not familiar with it, is short for Confidential Human Factors Incident Reporting Program.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: But uh Who wants this F?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Mike has uh worked tirelessly on uh promoting light aviation safety uh in the UK with Gasco.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so it's great to hear that he's still involved with that in the UK with CHERP.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_05: I read his I read his last editorial or his first editorial, not his last.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh on on the CHERP starting.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_05: And it was it was good to see Mike back.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_05: There's a whole load of lot of experience and stuff in there.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and many and many of you will have obviously come across Mike at Gasco Safety Evenings in the in the the years gone by.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, I'm just getting old and can't remember.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_05: But um Astral had kind of started to talk about having some safe some physical safety evenings at some point, haven't they?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so the that's Astral Aviation Consulting, the people who took over the delivering safety for the CAA haven't really haven't been out on the road un until now, and they're uh uh I guess they're talking about doing this in 2027, maybe?
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  SPEAKER_05: I guess so, yeah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_05: We'll see.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_05: Watch his space.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_05: Watch the space indeed.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Right then.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, uh last week we had the story of Jamie Oliver, TV chef, uh coming to the rescue of Andrewsfield uh aviation and the airfield it's based on Andrewsfield.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um but there's another little bit of the Jamie Oliver story, uh w which he released when when he first announced he'd got his PPL, he uh talked about taking the exams or studying for the exams because he's dyslexic.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it's been a very he said it was very daunting for me as a dyslexic.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_03: So a big thank you to Seb at Pooley's um for allowing him to you get the digital files of Pooley's pilot books, um, and he was able to load them into some an app called Natural Reader to Text Text to Speech.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um so he was able to listen to uh the books.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and although Poolies already do audio CDs, I spoke to Seb a bit earlier before the show, and Seb said, Well, the thing is nobody listens to CDs anymore.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: There's not many people who've got a player, um, and and most cars don't come with a CD player anymore.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: Mine doesn't.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: No, so the app is a good way forwards.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um so he's he said after this, he he had a few emails from other students who are dyslexic, or or perhaps just fine nine aviation books, especially air law.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's very hard.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's tough going, isn't it?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: It is very tough.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: So he's looking at ways to make it available to other people.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe it'll be uh a series of MP3 files, sound files.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he wants to make them available through the Pooley's Aviation Academy, which I have to admit I didn't know much about until uh had a quick chat with Seb.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_04: I knew it was out there.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: No, absolutely.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: So there's there's some good coming, more good coming out of Jamie's involvement in aviation.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_04: I can only see that as a as a positive thing, really.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_05: Excellent.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_05: Talking of change, which we weren't, but I will now.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: If you've watched any of the videos that we've made um uh of Continental at various places like Oshkosh and Aero and stuff like that, you would have seen me talking to Karen Hong, who was the uh president of global president, I think, of Continental Aerospace Technologies, and Oliver Lieber, who was kind of head of sales and VP of something or other else.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um obviously Continental has recently been bought by Arcline uh and the the new brooms at Arc Line have have swept along, and Karen Hong and Oliver are now uh exploring future careers and no longer at Continental, although I think um they might be hanging on just to sort of transition.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um but we've got a couple of new people there.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_05: We've got a guy called Keith Chutton, who who funnily enough was the CEO at Superior Air Parts.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um and who previously worked for Continental for quite a while.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_05: Why?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_05: And he uh appears to have bought over Bill Ross, who also worked for Superior Airparts, and he previously worked at Continental, and there's another guy uh called Daryl Taylor, and he worked for in the past AirPower, who are kind of one of the big retailers.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_05: They are kind of the biggest engine sellers, if you like, in in in bulk, if you yeah, I I run 150.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um so a whole load of industry experience gone there and some changes, so we'll have to wait and see what those changes bring.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of expected though, wasn't it?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it moves into American ownership, so um yeah, there was gonna be some.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't a massive surprise.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_05: No, no.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well that'll be yeah, interesting to see what happens.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Continental clearly they've invested massively in their new production facility, haven't they?
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_04: Hugely, yeah.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_04: Hugely see where that takes us.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_05: And I think Arkline in previous think they're they're getting into general aviation quite a lot at the moment.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so I think previous stuff they've bought, you can see they have continued to invest.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_05: I expect they'll be buying more things, yeah.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_05: Either through Continental or other people like Hartzall and stuff like that that they also own.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: Let's hope that's a good thing.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: Keep an eye open for that.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Is it me?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's you.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's me.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this is uh news of a three Johns talk.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this is uh the disability flying charity Air Ability is putting on an event called Adventure of Flight, and they have three speakers.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there's John Romain, who's obviously famous for being uh the head of the airplane restoration aeroplane restoration company at Duxford, uh, and also flies in the world of uh films and uh and all of that.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so John Romain is talking about display flying and film flying.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: There's John McFall, who you might remember was on the Flyer live stream a few years ago.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: He was uh he's a European Space Agency reserve astronaut.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's talking about um the challenge uh the challenging perceptions of disability uh and showing that the sky really can be the limit.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: So um and then there's John Hunt, the Flying Reporter, and obviously John uh will be talking about uh the story of his flight across the Atlantic this summer.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um so yeah, so three Johns, if you want to hear them talk and help Airbility raise some money, because all the proceeds from the event will be donated to Air Ability.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh then uh that's at the Royal Geographic Society in London, and it's on the first of November.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_04: So um 2.30 till 5 30 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_04: and tickets are going to be, I think,£35.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_04: 35 quid.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_05: I had a friend who used to work there, so I when I when I was in London, I used to visit that quite a lot.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_05: It's quite a fascinating place, the RGS.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: It is a fascinating.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: I I went to see uh Renna Feynes give a talk there.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_05: Did you?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Before he was whatever's going on.
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  SPEAKER_05: Before whatever was going on was going on.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Fantastic bloke.
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  SPEAKER_05: No, so there's a whole load of dusty old or at least there was when I visited dusty old drawers where you could pull out weird maps from all over the place.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: You could almost wander in and go.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_05: I'm thinking of going to Hold on.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: You pulled out you pulled out a drawer and there was a dusty map with it a CNA quarter million or CNA half million.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: Not as dusty as that.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_05: These these maps are actually useful.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_05: I know the I know those.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, they're not maps, they're charts.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_05: Charts.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_05: Didn't Christopher Columbus have some charts?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 13:56
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• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: Where is it?
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• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, a very quick one, just remembered it.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: But uh it was out after the show uh last week's show.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_04: But we've got a video from the Popham Stall competition.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_05: We have, yeah.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm not sure when did the other video come out of the of the new Surze Compass installed.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_05: That was a while ago, wasn't it?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_05: And we got another one coming up of some wingtip stuff after I had a an inadvertent coming together of a wingtip and a solid object.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: Ah, okay.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: A while ago.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: I finally got that sorted.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't serious.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_05: But we'll put some links in the video description.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_05: Great.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_05: Well worth watching the stole thing.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um Jolly Good.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: So uh this week's uh topic for discussion is um would you have a new car or an aeroplane of your own?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_05: Airplane of your own, obviously.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_04: Because when you look around, a typical average family hatchback now is pushing 30k.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: And you might go, no, you can't really get an aeroplane of your own for 30k, but actually you can.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: And there are, if you look around right now, there are some there's some really good value, you know, great opportunity airplanes available for sale.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I know it's not just about purchase price, but we'll touch on a little bit of that um in the discussion.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_05: So I mean this comes hot on the heels of last week's show, which has gone down really well.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: So thank you very much for watching that.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_05: If you're one of the few people who hasn't watched it, you can go back and check it out where we looked at the world's fastest micro lights, and basically these 916 IS powered uh micro lights, either tandem or side by side.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um they are they they are not inexpensive, are they?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_05: By the time you've equipped them and had a nice paint job and stuff like that, they are many of them are pushing 400,000 euro on which you have to pay 20% VAT usually when you import it.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um so you know, they're they're a significantly expensive proposition.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, I was talking to someone the other day who was thinking of learning to fly, go, how much does it cost me to buy an airplane?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_05: Well, if you want one of these micro lines, it's gonna cost you 400 grand, which would have been but frankly, you can do much you can get in for a much, much lower number.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: I think people are often surprised that actually there's some really excellent aeroplanes out there uh for uh you know, for for family car budget.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: Shall we start going through them?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_05: I think we should have a little chat about I mean because it's all very well saying there are some around, but yeah, what are the what do they actually look like?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, looking through um looking through our our favourite uh classified site, A4s.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um uh certainly uh top pick for me straight away.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_04: There was a Jodel DR 1050, the um the very fabulous uh two plus two seater from France, uh hundred horsepower O two hundred, and that was on for twenty-eight thousand pounds.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: A four-seater with a hundred horsepower.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Well, two plus two.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: You're not gonna put four full-size people in it, but it does it will take two adults, two kids, or three adults.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_05: So and and you know they've got a pretty efficient wing, the J Dell.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: So it's it's not gonna be as fast as the microlites that we were talking about last week, for sure.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: But flying is is about fun, isn't it?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, if you can do a hundred knots, that's a perfectly usable cruise cruise speed for touring around the UK, taking trips.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: So uh this one was a 2010 restoration of an airframe, so that's all up together, and uh 620 hours on the engine.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_05: So um So I I think there's a Jodel in my future at some point.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_05: I would like to think there's a Jodel in my future at some point, but you know, maybe that point will never come.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_05: I maybe I won't be ever be able to afford a fleet of ten aircraft or my fantasy hangar or something.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: But I looked up to see what the costs were gonna be.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um and for me to insure myself on this Jodel was 977 pounds.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: That's that was for the year.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_05: Classing it as a for the year, yeah, classing it as a four-seater.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_05: Um which it you know, I'm not sure how many times I'd take four people in a hundred horsepower out of a short strip, regardless of the wing.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um and obviously LIA permit aeroplane, so you can do maintenance yourself.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um but that doesn't stop you putting it to um uh uh uh maintenance outfit as well and and uh people doing that maintenance for you.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: But obviously the option is there.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: LA the light aircraft association does allow owners to do maintenance under their inspector system.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_05: So I guess I guess the big the b the big um elephant in the room, as it were, yeah is the fact that you go and buy your 30 grand golf or wh whatever it happens to be, focus.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_05: They don't think they make focuses anymore, do they?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_05: Well anyway, whatever that you go and buy one of those, you can park it generally on the street for nothing or on your driveway or in your garage and stuff like that.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: And that that's not really a cost that anyone actually thinks about.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um however, with aircraft, um and I would say particularly with aircraft like Joe Dell, they are going to be much, much better off in a hangar than they are left outside.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_05: You can leave them outside, yes, you can put covers on, but frankly, aircraft are better in the hanger.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, hangarage is going to be a fixed cost, isn't it?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we got some we're we're running a project at the moment, go and tell us on the forum what you're paying for hangarage.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I I think it's fair to say that hang range on farm strips tends to be between two and three hundred pounds.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um hang range in hangar hangers uh can be anything from about three fifty, four hundred pounds up to, in some cases, pushing six hundred pounds.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um this is a month, isn't it?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: This is a month, yeah.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: So that's a a not inconsiderable annual cost that you need to take bearing bear in mind, as it were.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um hangar yeah, hang a ridge, hangar ridge is a cost you can't get around.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but uh and obviously insurance, definitely gonna need that.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: So uh but other things that uh uh were featured on A4s that have been on fairly recently.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there's a Grippo trail, so uh from the from the mind of Nando Gruppo um from 2013 this one was.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's a Mark I with the Sour 2400 engine, which is the converted VW.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_04: But that's a two-seater tandem um relatively modern aeroplane, modern avionics, um, and the wings fold up on it rather neatly.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: So it does give you the option of storing it in a small space or maybe even taking it home.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: So is this wig wing fold thing sounds fascinating but slightly worrying, is it?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: It genuinely isn't because this airplane that um this particular airplane that is for sale, I knew the first owner, and I actually folded the wings on it a few times.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_05: Did you unfold them as well?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: I did.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_05: So I think I mean the grop the groppo, I I've I've seen it demoed quite a few times, and it's a fairly simple wing folding mechanism.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: It is literally walk up to the wing tip, you pull a pin on the end, that disconnects it, you rotate it and walk it around to the side of the fuselage.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_05: So things like the Groppo Trail and the Panther even have have fairly simple wing fold mechanisms.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_05: There are other aircraft races.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, the wings you can take the wings off.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_05: I remember Vans was was saying about the R V twelve.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_05: The R V twelve.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, you can take the realistically you can, but nobody does.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, when wings physically come off the aeroplane, then you probably need two people and something to put them in.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: At least When they fold up like they do on the trail, they remain attached to the aeroplane and stow alongside the fuse large.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_05: I mean the glider world almost always derigs and puts them in trailers and parts more efficiently.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not impossible.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: But yes, I mean the the trail, 28 grand, that's pretty nice.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: If you're if you want a an aircraft on a C of A, which is obviously different to LIA permit, you'll just take it to a maintenance outfit, they will look after it.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: Then there was an A-Lon AirCube for£24,000.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: Now that's an all-metal aeroplane, so that could technically live out undercovers.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's got a Continental C90, 90 horsepower.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, that's a very happy cruiser at kind of 85, 90 knots.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: There was also a Cessna 120 for 27,500 pounds.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's got a Continental O200, 100 horsepower.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um the verge of classicness.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_05: Well it probably is a classicness.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, it really is a classicness.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: 90 knot cruise and 95 litres of fuel.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that's on an N-REG.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um and if you're at all confused, now NREG is the American registration.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_04: But you can fly an N-REG.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: If you stay in the UK, you can fly it on a UK PPL, even on a PMD.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: Does it get complicated if you wanted to fly to France?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's you would then need an American, you would need an FAA PPL to fly that.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_04: And a medical.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_04: But um but just flying in the UK, very straightforward.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_04: So then we go cheap.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't mean cheap.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't mean then we go lower cost.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Lowest uh one of the best low-cost aeroplanes I saw on A4s was a Rollison Condor, which is a two-seat wooden airplane side by side.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but this was this had an engine rebuild in 2023, so this is less than fifty hours total time.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um and you would argue actually that that there's all the value in that aeroplane is is the engine alone.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's incre that's a really good bargain.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it's got um uh 8.33 radio mode C transponder and a little EFIS in it.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um£13,500 is way below our£30,000.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's a bargain.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well the asset value alone is is it's good, isn't it?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so you could have your aeroplane at 13.5 and you could have some you could have a year's worth of hangarage and insurance.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I you I don't think you're gonna bust 20k on that, are you?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_05: No, say that is really you can have your cake and eat it.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_05: I in incidentally I I did a quick lookup and see how much it would cost me to to insure that.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_05: And for me, that was just under it was£770 for a year.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_05: So interest I cheap cheaper than uh cheaper than an 18-year-old trying to insure a hot hatch in London.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, interest you said the Joder was£900?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean£977.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's really because I put the Jodel down as a four-seater and the condor as a two-seater.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not a massive difference there between two seats and and the and the two plus two, but it's still pretty good value.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um There's another cost, of course, which you have in cars, which you don't have on an airplane.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's road tax.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, road tax on some modern cars, electric cars, is quite minimal.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_05: That's gonna change as well.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_04: But on some cars, I road tax can be what, three, four hundred pounds a year?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: So um but yeah, so it's I think it's it is it's worth remembering that actually the s the sport of light aircraft flight is very accessible, and there are some aeroplanes out there that are very affordable.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: And will and affordable doesn't mean that you don't get anything for your money.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh you're not sat out in the wind with just a windscreen and you're freezing to the body.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_05: No, you can get a really nice usable airframe.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: I I've got I've got a different principle because I can I I have been in a couple of groups, but they were kind of non-traditional groups.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: And then I got into owning my own aircraft.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I would say to people that when you own your first own aircraft, yeah, it is a very steep learning curve.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it was for me.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe I was a bit dumb and it took me ages to learn.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_05: But it, you know, you I learnt an awful lot.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_05: I learnt an awful lot quite quickly, but I also learnt an awful lot quite expensively at the beginning.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_05: Ownership and maintenance and stuff like that is a very can be very expensive if you don't know what you're talking about and you haven't made.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_05: So I if anyone asks me for advice, I always say that for your first aircraft, absolutely consider a share in an aircraft because you get access to a group of a good group, it gives you a group of mentors, it gives you a group of people who are experienced, gives you a good, easy on-ramp into that world.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um and and you know, by all means at some point in the future go, ha, I've had enough of this social stuff.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_05: They might be a bit close to you, Ed, for example.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_05: I'm in the group.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: But um it it's a it's a great way, and it it's a kind of it's a much softer landing.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I think Dave, you you spotted what looks like a pretty Oh, I've I found this.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: I was look because we were looking through looking for Aforce, and I came across this this Ream Cessinel 172 fitted with the the Hawke uh HP engine.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's£11,750 for a 1-6 share.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that and that that that's that's really good value.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's based at Brinton.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: Another thing about share is of course the it's already been shared by other people, so the location is gotta be gonna be important.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: And Brinton is a really lovely airfield.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's a lovely strip.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's a lovely strip, yeah, in Berkshire.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um private grass strip.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the uh this engine, though, is not like a typical 172 engine.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's the uh 210 horsepower fuel injected engine.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_04: And is it constant speed as well?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's constant speed prop on it as well.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a that's a good four-seater.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good four-prop on hangers for that.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: That was 11750 for a 16th share.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: And the other costs you have are there's a monthly charge of£100 that's to cover hangarage and insurance.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the flying rate uh is£125 an hour,£125 an hour.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's ex that's excellent value.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_05: That's a that's a great value share.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_05: And it's a great little aircraft actually, Hawk XP.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I had to look you know look at it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it looks like I've uh looked at it online, and it's uh it's a very clean aeroplane, looks really nice.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the co the uh the panel is a little bit old fashioned, there's no glass cockpick stuff in there, for instance.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: What how do they fly?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: But they've got they've got modern avionics in there, but uh yeah, so it's um no, I thought that was a really good real steel, actually.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_05: No, I th I I think it is.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_05: So I think there's a big difference though, I would say, while we're talking about this, between that that's a genuine group where you're buying a one-six share, you own a you become uh an owner.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_05: Then you've got the other thing, the the so-called non-equity groups.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_05: Non-equity groups is is aircraft rental by any other name.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's just a different name, and it's a completely different experience.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_05: You're not getting that you're not getting that experience around maintenance and ownership and stuff like that.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_05: So there's nothing wrong with non-equity groups.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_05: You just have to have your eyes open and know what it is.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_05: It's aircraft rental.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I I reckon that's I reckon that would be a fantastic first aircraft for somebody.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_04: But fundamentally, affordable aeroplanes, but less money than buying a new car.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_05: Surprising, actually.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_05: I was quite I was quite surprised by the when you got around to look at the selection.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I saw a little thruster in there for three and a half K.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not sure that's someone's first aircraft.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_05: It might well be someone's first aircraft, actually.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_05: But I'll tell you what, ooh, ooh, if only I had somewhere to put it.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_05: That would be Yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: As you as you as you said, we were talking before, a thruster is a great bimbling aircraft.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's so simple and straightforward.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: And you just got to pull it out at seven o'clock in a summer's evening and go off for an hour's flying.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_05: You need another word than bimbling because it's a bit slower than that.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what slow bimbling is called.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_05: Waddling.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_05: Waddling.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: Or something.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: Who knows?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's a bit more graceful than the waddle, but I know what you mean.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_05: No, I do I yeah, that would be I like the idea of that.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_05: Cool.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: So basically, what did we sum up in take a look at what's that?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_05: If you haven't got your own aircraft and you don't need a brand new golf GTI, or not even a GTI, actually, a golf whatever.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_05: A regular golf.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, or a regular golf.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_05: When did when did regular golfs get to the best part of 30 grand?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Why would you buy a regular golf?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: You'd get a GTI, sure.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: GTI, yeah.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: Of course you would.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_05: Or what was the what yeah, there was there was an even fiercer golf, wasn't there?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_05: Before VR6, yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: VR six.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, that was for when I was 18.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: That will have you in the hedge.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that was um yeah, moving on from that.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: So I think there were lots of fantastic aircraft available.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_05: There are lots of even if you're buying a permit aircraft, if you're not a mechanically minded and not uh that's not your thing, you can still take it to an you can still pay someone to do the maintenance on it.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but alternatively you can spend a lot of time learning.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's pretty good, fascinating educational process.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um and you will save some money.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um and get get the you can get insurance quotes online pretty easily these days, so check it out.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_05: And really the the the crucial thing is somewhere to base it and hangoverage and stuff like that, ideally.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: That's it.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_05: An airplane that's not used that lives outside in the sunshine and the rain for say three hundred and fifty days a year, if it's not used is is not gonna depreciate.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_05: And I think the other thing is we haven't spoken about really, you know, you buy that 30 grand golf or whatever it is, the depreciation in the first two years is pretty steep.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it'll be not just because it's a golf in in all new cars, really.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_05: Aeroplanes, if cared for, will do keep their value.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, so don't rule it out.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: If you've ever dreamed of it, then maybe start thinking about it.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe it's your aeroplane for 2027.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: Go look in now.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: There must be time for.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: So, fancy hanger.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, earlier in the news we heard how new UK PPL uh TV chef Jamie Oliver has aced his ground exams with the help of um uh the Pooley's uh exam books turned into uh audio files.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and now he has his PPL.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: And we've just been talking about first aeroplanes or buying an airplane of your own.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: We thought, Jamie Oliver, you need advice on what aeroplanes we think you should have.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: And what who better to pick that airplane for you than this team?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: A team of experts.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, because we will take what little knowledge we know about Jamie and use that to decide on an aeroplane for him.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_04: Dave, what did you pick?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I know that Jamie Oliver loves it Italian food, but he wrote he did a whole TV series going to visit to uh to Italy.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: And of course his big mate Gennaro is uh is obviously Italian.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I thought he needs an Italian aeroplane.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's obvious, really.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: So I've gone for uh a Super Falco, it's the La Verda built Super Falco.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Did they build motorbikes?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: They did build motorbikes, fantastic brutes.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um they also made tractors.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh tractors for going along hills.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if you've been Italy's quite up and down here, so you've got if you're going along a hill, you want the downside side to be long.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, getting made lopsided tractors.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: They made lopsided tractors with adjusters so that you could adjust them.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: But luckily, they made beautiful aeroplanes too.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: They know how to make beautiful things, make them very well.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: And they made they actually just go back a bit.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: The uh the Falco was designed by legendary Italian designer Celio Fratti in 1955.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: It started up with a 90-horsepower engine, but that soon became 135 horsepower.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: And production of the aircraft went through several manufacturers.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: So Ferrati didn't make his own, he designed them, and other people picked up the designs.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: So it started out with an Italian manufacturer called Avio Milano, it went to someone called Airmill, and then later La Verda.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, from the 1980s it became available as a kit.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um the States.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: It had a fantastic reputation for handling structural strength and sheer good looks, hence it's been called the Ferrari of the Sky.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: It is beautiful.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: But and and so we're basing the fact that Jamie needs a Falco because he likes Italian food.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because he he he appreciates Italian things.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he you know you can imagine you know, he in his Falco uh with his Mate Gennaro, nipping off down to Milan for uh the food festival.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean natural, it's the obvious thing to do.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, absolutely.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'll go for that.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: The La Verdo Falco Series 4 is probably the best one of the whole thing.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: Is that right?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: The whole series, yeah.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: And the pictures we've got going with it is a recent restoration.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was the final one made by La by La Verda.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Dates back to uh 1973, it has been recently restored.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_05: Beautiful.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, obvious aircraft I think.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: For Jamie.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Ian.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_05: Well, kind of to be honest, the Italian thing didn't occur to me, but I'll pretend it did occur to me, and I dismissed it on the basis that it was all about kind of looks and style, but not practicality.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_05: And I know from having my all I know about Jamie Oliver has clearly just come from the TV.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_05: Once upon a time, eating a couple of times in one of his restaurants.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_05: He wasn't there.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I've guessed that he's a kind of practical chap and he likes a bit of you know, bit of cooking in his spare time.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_05: And his cooking, I think you could describe it as more of a rustic cooking than uh three-star Michelin tweezers and little micro herbs on top kind of cooking.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_05: He's he's he doesn't strike me as an amouge bouche person.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_05: Well maybe a bit of antipasty or something.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um but so I reckon what better for Jamie than a private explorer, the Wilson Private Explorer, the single engine version of it, because it there was a twin engine that that crashed.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_05: Single engine version, it's kind of like a imagine like a guppy that's swimming around in a not a super guppy airplane, but I'm guessing there's a reason you've picked the private explorer.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: Not just because it's big, but because it has a little mini kitchen.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: Ah, all right.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_05: And enough room to make a bigger kitchen if you sacrifice the loo and the bed and the stuff like that.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_05: This is a single-engine airplane powered by it's powered by been powered by a lot of engines over the years, but but mainly about 300 horsepower, although someone did try it with a PT60.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's been a turbine, yeah.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_05: I mean that's That's a lot of power at that point, and at that cost you you maybe find something else.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um so 300 horsepower, like a ming, nice geodesic sort of kind of structure, plenty of room, double bed, loo, a couple of wicker chairs, bit of a kitchen.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_05: But does have a does have a food preparation area.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_05: Has a food prep area.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_05: But and if if you need some ingredients, it's got an eight-hour cruise endurance.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_05: So you could slow cook while you were flying.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_05: Put something in the what do they call those crock pots or whatever they are, those kind of things.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_05: I don't I mean I mean yeah I mean you should cook on an air fryer.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_04: I'm air frying.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's I I I think we've created a whole new book regime, haven't we?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's like air frying in the air with Jamie.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_05: I'm trademarking that.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'd watch that.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_05: But I think you know, plenty of space for all of his mates.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_05: No one wants to eat alone, do they, really?
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: If you can help it.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um you could probably have a little tiny table.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: Ed low mates.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_05: He's got lots of mates, just can't get that close.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, that's my that's my Jamie, that would be my selection for you.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_05: That's a good idea.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_05: I love I've always loved that.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's not really uh UK approved, so it might be a little, but that's just a detail.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_04: How about you, Ed?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I've uh one thing I have learnt through reading about Jamie on the internet is he has he's got a lot of kids, five kids, and his wife.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: So actually, if he's going flying, he needs a family wagon.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_04: So um and he's a bit of a petrol head as well.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_04: So you're not gonna just select any boring six-seater, seven-seater, something like that.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_04: What you need is something with with ramp appeal, lots of cylinders, you know, what what better aeroplane that combines all of that and seven seats than a beaver?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: 950 kilogram useful load.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_04: I know you're not gonna have any problems with that many people.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: And your ladder.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: And some stuff.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you could yeah, you could throw some food in there too, couldn't you?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: But um perfect family wagon.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: And at Utterly at home on the grass airfield at and uh on the grass runways at Andrewsfield, a beaver is the right choice.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: So I asked AI just what Jamie's beaver might look like.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_04: I think that is brilliant.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_04: They say there's no good use for AI, but actually that is.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: That is.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's great.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_04: Jamie, what do you think?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_05: Good choice.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_05: Good choice, not a bad choice.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_05: Not as good as the private explorer.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: I do.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I d uh I've always loved that.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: The whole idea of a flying camper is very good.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: The answer to almost every aeroplane problem is a beaver, really, isn't it?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: Weirdly, yes.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, um tell us in the comments uh which one you would pick, Jamie, if you're out there.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_04: Tell us in the comments.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_04: Tell us which ones you would pick.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um maybe you've got a better choice.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um but uh yeah.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_05: Well, and hopefully Simon's got some better weather.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_04: Let's take a look and see what the weather is going to bring for us.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone, hope that you are well this evening and getting ready to enjoy some flying this weekend.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: And there is some flying to be found as well.
• 39:26
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• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is the um forecast for tomorrow morning for Friday.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we've got a front that um is actually passing eastwards.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's lying down here Friday morning.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: You can see there the forecast rain, but can you see how it's broken across Scotland and across eastern parts of Ireland?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty windy for England and Wales, and through the morning that front moves its way southwards.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Notice though that it's broken all the time across northeastern part of England, most of the rainfall affecting western parts of Wales and into southwest England, into southern England as well by the time we get through to late morning and really quite windy across southern England as well.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what will happen is that rainbow clears away towards the south as we get into the afternoon, although it might be the evening before it clears from south east England, but following in behind, much brighter skies across central eastern parts of Scotland, across northern England, across the Midlands, Wales, South West England, much of Ireland.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Heavy showers, though you see here affecting western Scotland, northwest England, northwest Wales, and the west of Ireland, but generally looking pretty good behind the front.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: The base is around three to four thousand feet, top is at about twelve thousand feet, but western parts of Scotland are down to two thousand feet, top is about fifteen to twenty thousand feet, and also some in there to be wary of.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: Wind's actually easy if anything as we go into the afternoon, it still stays breezy with that westerly, um, but not quite so strong.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now through Saturday morning, the wind's picking up again through Scotland.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Notice the area of rain and showers getting into northern and western parts of Scotland, but it's heavy, and some heavy showers for northwestern parts of England for northern parts of Wales as well.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, those showers across northern and western Scotland could be quite thundery, some Q-nims in there, and bases around 2,000 feet again, toppers easily getting up to 20,000 feet.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Eastern parts of Scotland, northeast England, central southern parts of England actually varying okay Saturday afternoon.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Three to four thousand foot bases, toppers at 12,000 feet.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: I won't rule out a few showers just passing through parts of the Midlands, always affecting northwest England, and then maybe a few just getting a little bit further east and south during the day.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, it's not a bad day at all.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now, through the course of Saturday evening and overnight, look at that cloud increasing across uh Ireland, across southwestern parts of England.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of comes in, but then it kind of fades away again.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: So actually, for Sunday, most of us enjoying a fair day, some well-broken cloud, basically three to four thousand feet, top is about ten to twelve thousand feet.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of areas where we could see a shower, northwestern parts of England, the northern midlands running into Merseyside, and probably down the eastern coast of England we may get one as well, and rain getting into the far southwest of Ireland later on in the day as the cloud increases in the west later, but generally that ridge of high pressure doing its job and not bad air conditions at all.
• 42:38
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I will leave you with that for now.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great, have a safe flying weekend.
• 43:42
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• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Bye bye for now.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: I think this is one of those weather situations it's impossible to read and be sure about.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: That's like every weather situation, isn't it?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_05: Almost.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, this is a really complicated one.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_04: And we have we are it feels like we've we've we came in today and it's cold.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_04: So it feels like we turned the corner.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_04: Sadly.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_05: And we've got a we've got a synoptic chart like a zebra's backside.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_04: Climy.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: I've never heard that before.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_03: But uh There you go.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, events.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well, should you get a nice bit of weather?
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's an end of season flying at uh Popham.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh next week, you have to go a bit further for this one.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um the 14th to the 16th of October, should you be in the area?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: Abu Dhabi has been having its annual air show.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh security will be tight, as you can imagine.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: I was don't think anything but get me to go out there at the moment.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: Closer to home, Thursday, the 15th of October, Navy Wings uh is going to have a night shoot uh down at Yovalton.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's a bit of a bit of a spotters, I guess, but I guess so.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: Navy Wings have got some great aircraft.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: They've got the uh They've got a seafire and a sea.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure that'll be great.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: And Saturday, the 17th of October, of course, Pilot Careers Live uh is in Dublin.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: Pilot Careers Live is our series of events for uh professional pilots, people who want to become professional pilots.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_05: Look forward to that.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you very much, everybody.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_05: So thank you very much to the every thank you very much to the audience for watching.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you very much, team.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um and thank you very much, Henry, even behind the team.
• 45:17
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• 45:25
  SPEAKER_05: Have a good one, thank you.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_05: Bye bye.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_04: Don't like to raise it again, but is Dave too close?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: We go.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: I thought my personal space radar was not lying to me.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_05: Now I know why the chap who's got so many single seaters.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_05: Because I don't want anyone close to me.
• 45:52
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